Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 8 2025

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00:00:04.440 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:05.560 Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show

00:00:09.380 kicks off right now.

00:00:11.440 Thanks for being with us from all across this great land.

00:00:14.360 Right as we're speaking to you, of course, we are live.

00:00:17.080 President Trump is holding a cabinet meeting.

00:00:20.580 We were watching it right until the moment we had to come on the air.

00:00:23.680 We are monitoring for the most important moments,

00:00:26.780 so we'll bring you those.

00:00:27.920 He's continuing to talk about a range of subjects.

00:00:32.580 Obviously, the president addressing the terrible floods

00:00:35.360 in the hill country of Texas,

00:00:38.580 also discussing matters having to do with the economy

00:00:42.400 and the border, specifically on the economy

00:00:46.420 that we've already seen $100 billion come in

00:00:50.980 of revenue to the Treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs.

00:00:54.700 The tariffs that we were told would raise the price on everything,

00:00:56.860 which does not seem to have happened at all.

00:01:00.180 And Scott Besson, his Treasury Secretary,

00:01:03.600 went on to say it is expected soon

00:01:06.120 that there will be more like $300 billion

00:01:09.420 that will come in to the Treasury

00:01:11.680 as a result of the Trump tariffs.

00:01:14.580 $300 billion is a lot of money,

00:01:16.520 even for this federal government.

00:01:18.080 That's $100 billion here, $100 billion there.

00:01:20.960 This is real money.

00:01:21.840 So I think it's interesting to see how the evolution

00:01:25.160 of the conversation around tariffs

00:01:27.700 is moving so rapidly to not only are tariffs

00:01:33.020 failing to do the price-gouging, price increases

00:01:37.660 that we were told,

00:01:38.660 but actually bringing money into the Treasury Department.

00:01:40.860 So I think that's particularly interesting.

00:01:42.160 We've also got some fantastic guests today,

00:01:44.860 just to give you a heads up about that.

00:01:46.840 The Energy Secretary, Chris Wright, will be with us.

00:01:49.860 Let's talk about, what, M-E-G-A. 1.00

00:01:53.700 Make energy great again.

00:01:55.720 How about that?

00:01:56.680 We're going to talk about energy

00:01:57.720 and how this administration is,

00:02:01.780 all systems go,

00:02:03.680 on tapping into the incredible resources

00:02:07.340 that this nation has,

00:02:08.780 more so than ever,

00:02:10.260 and getting rid of the red tape

00:02:11.440 and getting rid of the nonsense

00:02:12.360 and getting rid of the Green News scam nonsense.

00:02:16.340 So we'll discuss that with him.

00:02:17.760 We've also got Selena Zito, 0.99

00:02:19.900 author and journalist.

00:02:20.820 She'll be with us.

00:02:21.740 She's got a new book out

00:02:22.760 talking about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.

00:02:27.240 We'll discuss with her what her research found.

00:02:29.440 But, Clay, I want to start with this.

00:02:30.720 Some very interesting things going on

00:02:32.560 in the immigration realm.

00:02:35.360 First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass, 0.99

00:02:40.000 the mayor of Los Angeles,

00:02:41.080 very upset and telling members

00:02:44.100 of Immigration and Customs Enforcement

00:02:46.220 that they need to stop what they're doing.

00:02:50.100 And by that, she means stop enforcing the law.

00:02:52.540 They had an operation

00:02:53.520 where they were going through a park in Los Angeles

00:02:56.260 and they were picking up illegals.

00:03:00.960 The details of this,

00:03:02.360 I'm still reading up on specifically

00:03:04.860 how many people they took into custody,

00:03:08.000 but they had this operation

00:03:11.280 where they were going to get illegals.

00:03:13.080 And the mayor of Los Angeles shows up

00:03:16.700 and says that this needs to stop.

00:03:19.100 This is her.

00:03:20.120 This is at MacArthur Park

00:03:21.380 as federal agents are raiding the area.

00:03:22.880 This is cut for...

00:03:24.520 Listen to this.

00:03:25.020 Any comment, Mayor Bass?

00:03:26.040 Thank you.

00:03:26.640 Mayor Bass, any comment?

00:03:27.260 Yes, my comment is they need to leave

00:03:29.760 and they need to leave right now.

00:03:32.240 They need to leave because this is unacceptable.

00:03:36.640 No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave.

00:03:38.400 They're enforcing the law.

00:03:39.240 Their federal agency has no authority

00:03:40.940 to stop them, to order them,

00:03:42.620 to do anything to them.

00:03:43.780 And if she tries,

00:03:45.220 she's breaking federal law,

00:03:46.880 which Los Angeles is still a part

00:03:48.860 of the United States

00:03:50.020 and therefore falls under federal jurisdiction.

00:03:52.980 And there's just none of this nonsense

00:03:56.540 that we should be accepting.

00:03:58.760 I want to get into also some of the way

00:04:00.520 the rhetoric that's out there

00:04:01.940 is creating dangers.

00:04:04.760 I saw those two ambush attempts.

00:04:06.500 One time an ICE member shot in the neck.

00:04:08.520 We'll talk about that in a second.

00:04:10.160 Clay, they really think that

00:04:12.480 the law doesn't count somehow

00:04:14.180 in these sanctuary cities,

00:04:15.520 that there's some argument to be made

00:04:17.800 that federal law has no real bearing

00:04:21.620 on what's going on

00:04:23.260 just because they say so.

00:04:24.780 This is a very important moment

00:04:26.280 in the rule of law for this country.

00:04:28.400 Yeah, and again,

00:04:30.120 it goes to the very basics

00:04:31.760 of the supremacy clause,

00:04:33.660 which is why I don't really

00:04:35.700 even understand what the attempt is here.

00:04:38.780 The United States president

00:04:41.360 controls immigration law.

00:04:43.880 And so we had this discussion

00:04:46.460 because Gavin Newsom,

00:04:47.900 remember when he was making a big show of,

00:04:51.020 hey, the president doesn't have the ability

00:04:52.880 to call out the guard

00:04:54.220 here in the state of California.

00:04:56.200 And there was one federal district court judge

00:04:59.040 that agreed,

00:04:59.700 and then it immediately got slapped down

00:05:01.440 by the Ninth Circuit.

00:05:02.320 And we came on and said,

00:05:03.580 this is kind of a foundational issue.

00:05:05.760 It is a foundational issue

00:05:07.940 that the president of the United States

00:05:10.720 has control over immigration law

00:05:13.780 across the entirety of the country,

00:05:15.980 whether it's a blue state

00:05:17.020 or a blue city or not.

00:05:18.420 And a part of me thinks,

00:05:20.920 and tell me if,

00:05:22.220 because I'm trying to think

00:05:22.880 of this strategically,

00:05:24.580 the only way this makes sense

00:05:27.540 is if you just are desperate

00:05:30.740 to be arrested

00:05:32.020 by the president of the United States

00:05:34.980 because that helps you politically

00:05:37.820 when it comes to your standing

00:05:39.880 in the Democrat Party.

00:05:41.880 This in no way

00:05:43.220 actually benefits the city.

00:05:45.640 It certainly doesn't benefit the state.

00:05:48.120 Look, have you ever seen a study on this?

00:05:50.260 Because I would love to see a study on this.

00:05:53.140 Mom Donnie got elected in New York City,

00:05:54.900 and I see these as all connected

00:05:56.480 or got the nomination

00:05:57.460 for the Democrat Party in New York City

00:05:59.780 for the mayorship

00:06:00.960 by basically arguing rent is too expensive,

00:06:04.640 we need to freeze rent.

00:06:06.580 And really he argued

00:06:07.860 products are too expensive,

00:06:10.320 life is too expensive in New York City.

00:06:12.700 You lived in New York City for a while.

00:06:14.820 I don't know what the numbers would reflect.

00:06:17.440 J.D. Vance made this argument a bit

00:06:19.260 on the debate against Mike Walls,

00:06:21.520 Tim Walls,

00:06:22.220 and then it got shot down.

00:06:23.980 Didn't get much attention beyond that.

00:06:26.640 What would it do to rent

00:06:27.780 if there were no illegal immigrants 0.97

00:06:29.360 in New York City?

00:06:31.100 Well, I believe that the laws

00:06:32.820 of supply and demand still matter,

00:06:35.580 even when Democrats wish they wouldn't.

00:06:38.160 So, yes, there would be more housing

00:06:40.800 that would open up.

00:06:42.260 This is true in New York City.

00:06:43.480 This is true nationwide.

00:06:44.940 The same way that they say,

00:06:46.980 who's going to work in the meat plant

00:06:48.780 once the illegals have been removed from it?

00:06:51.580 Americans.

00:06:52.920 That's actually what happens.

00:06:54.740 That's how supply and demand works.

00:06:56.700 Yeah, this has been fascinating

00:06:58.040 because the rhetorical question

00:06:59.540 that they think they're asking

00:07:00.700 actually has an answer.

00:07:02.060 Who's going to take these jobs? 0.89

00:07:03.700 Americans who get paid on the books 1.00

00:07:05.340 and a real wage.

00:07:06.740 So, I would love...

00:07:08.480 The fact that we've never really seen a study,

00:07:10.560 and maybe some of you have,

00:07:12.560 if we have, according to Tom Holman,

00:07:15.120 20 million illegals in the United States.

00:07:17.480 That's what he told me

00:07:18.740 a couple of months ago

00:07:19.980 he thought was the actual number.

00:07:21.840 Now, some of you are going to say,

00:07:23.420 hey, I think it's 30,

00:07:24.500 or I think it's 40,

00:07:25.440 or whatever the number is.

00:07:27.200 Tom Holman said 20,

00:07:28.380 so I'm going to use 20 as a rough approximation.

00:07:31.280 Those numbers are overwhelmingly slotted

00:07:33.800 in cities like New York, Chicago, and L.A.

00:07:36.960 What would rents do

00:07:39.440 if you just eliminated illegal immigrants 1.00

00:07:42.240 from the rental universe?

00:07:44.240 To your point,

00:07:44.960 natural laws of supply and demand

00:07:46.620 would suggest they would come down substantially.

00:07:48.780 It's even worse than that.

00:07:50.100 Unfortunately, the city of New York

00:07:51.760 has some of the most oppressive

00:07:53.340 and anti-property owner laws

00:07:58.900 in the entire country,

00:08:00.340 and there's also rent control,

00:08:02.840 which is just a government-mandated

00:08:05.260 spoil system that people abuse,

00:08:08.440 and I'm sorry if some of you

00:08:09.360 live in rent-control departments,

00:08:10.500 good for you,

00:08:11.180 but you're actually kind of milking the system.

00:08:14.200 That's just the truth.

00:08:15.160 I had...

00:08:16.280 You know, my first...

00:08:17.760 My girlfriend,

00:08:18.520 when I was in high school,

00:08:19.520 she lived in a rent-control department, 0.99

00:08:20.980 and when her parents told me

00:08:21.940 what she was paying,

00:08:22.620 I remember I was like,

00:08:23.420 wow, that's...

00:08:24.620 They're paying a couple hundred bucks a month

00:08:26.020 for a huge apartment.

00:08:26.800 I was like, that's weird.

00:08:27.960 So, look,

00:08:29.020 it's a spoil system,

00:08:31.240 and it artificially raises

00:08:33.400 the cost of housing

00:08:37.040 the same way that illegal immigration

00:08:38.380 raises the cost of housing.

00:08:39.340 Here's another one, Clay.

00:08:41.320 They estimate,

00:08:42.700 and they have pretty good numbers on this

00:08:44.220 because they have to bill people,

00:08:46.620 30% of emergency room visits

00:08:49.340 in New York City

00:08:50.640 last year

00:08:51.840 were illegal immigrants.

00:08:53.900 30.

00:08:54.800 Yeah.

00:08:54.980 So, if 30% of the ER visits

00:08:57.200 are illegals...

00:08:58.060 Now, I know you say,

00:08:58.660 oh, but they don't have access

00:08:59.520 to frontline care.

00:09:00.220 That's where they're going.

00:09:01.320 Yeah, but what would happen

00:09:02.420 if you didn't have those illegals?

00:09:04.160 You'd have a whole lot more

00:09:05.540 ER capacity, wouldn't you?

00:09:07.700 You'd have much shorter ER weights,

00:09:09.600 wouldn't you?

00:09:10.320 The same concepts,

00:09:11.720 the same ideas

00:09:12.840 apply to housing,

00:09:14.440 apply to employment,

00:09:16.060 apply because supply and demand

00:09:17.940 is a real thing.

00:09:19.220 which is why I think

00:09:21.000 Republicans should start

00:09:22.200 making that argument

00:09:23.100 because there are

00:09:24.300 a lot of people out there

00:09:25.320 who feel like goods

00:09:26.620 cost way more

00:09:28.020 than they used to

00:09:29.420 and that's the function

00:09:30.320 of inflation.

00:09:31.740 Inflation comes down,

00:09:33.080 it doesn't ever go away,

00:09:34.260 it's like putting on weight.

00:09:36.620 You eventually have to,

00:09:38.480 you know,

00:09:39.180 you don't ever get

00:09:40.380 typically negative cost

00:09:42.120 of goods,

00:09:42.880 so you're trying to get

00:09:44.420 around 2% a year,

00:09:45.760 it's still going to add up.

00:09:46.760 I saw our friend Jesse Kelly

00:09:47.960 shared something

00:09:49.520 that since COVID,

00:09:51.240 $100,000 today,

00:09:54.480 $100,000 in 2020,

00:09:57.560 you need $125,000 today

00:10:00.600 to have the same purchasing power.

00:10:03.000 Basically,

00:10:04.220 everything costs

00:10:05.040 about 25% more

00:10:06.680 than it did in 2020,

00:10:09.140 which is a function

00:10:10.220 of inflation

00:10:10.960 because we judge inflation

00:10:12.040 on a year-to-year basis,

00:10:13.480 not on a multi-year basis,

00:10:14.980 so that 9% inflation

00:10:17.000 got perpetually embedded

00:10:18.500 and so really goods

00:10:20.520 have increased in value

00:10:21.760 by about,

00:10:22.560 the cost of them

00:10:23.300 has increased by about 25%

00:10:24.940 just over the last five years.

00:10:27.460 And you look at

00:10:28.600 what happens

00:10:29.320 when the government

00:10:30.080 starts playing this game

00:10:32.180 of influencing

00:10:34.340 the numbers in the market,

00:10:36.420 whether it's for housing

00:10:37.300 or employment,

00:10:38.600 playing these games

00:10:39.320 by allowing illegal immigrants 0.99

00:10:40.900 to get, you know,

00:10:41.480 work papers

00:10:42.060 and all these things,

00:10:42.780 it has tremendous costs.

00:10:46.160 Obamacare,

00:10:46.660 this has been largely forgotten,

00:10:48.560 was supposed to bring down

00:10:50.200 the cost of healthcare,

00:10:51.420 everybody.

00:10:52.160 Do you remember that?

00:10:53.760 Does anybody remember?

00:10:54.980 That was the big promise.

00:10:56.100 Yeah, you're all

00:10:56.740 going to be covered,

00:10:57.900 covered,

00:10:58.760 quote-unquote,

00:10:59.980 but it's going to bring down

00:11:01.080 the cost of healthcare.

00:11:02.000 It didn't do that.

00:11:03.340 Healthcare is actually

00:11:03.980 just getting more expensive

00:11:04.940 all the time.

00:11:05.700 It's super heavily regulated

00:11:07.360 and it is more expensive,

00:11:08.920 kind of like housing stock

00:11:10.380 in Los Angeles.

00:11:12.380 Very hard to build

00:11:13.420 new homes in L.A.,

00:11:14.560 new apartment buildings,

00:11:16.060 a million different

00:11:16.720 environmental and union

00:11:18.600 and local regulations.

00:11:20.340 Same thing is true 0.92

00:11:21.040 in New York City.

00:11:22.460 These places

00:11:23.220 are infringing on the market

00:11:25.540 and causing huge problems.

00:11:26.900 So, yes,

00:11:27.340 with the illegals,

00:11:28.400 despite what Mayor Bass says,

00:11:30.440 they're called illegals,

00:11:32.100 once again,

00:11:33.100 for a reason,

00:11:33.840 because they're breaking

00:11:34.600 the law.

00:11:35.580 And I think Tom Homan

00:11:36.480 really got to this

00:11:37.460 when he said

00:11:38.280 that they're arresting

00:11:40.360 non-criminals.

00:11:41.100 He's like,

00:11:41.660 they're not allowed

00:11:42.520 to be here.

00:11:43.180 The whole point is

00:11:43.820 that this is cut 10.

00:11:44.700 He's like,

00:11:45.080 we're arresting the people

00:11:46.540 who are not supposed

00:11:47.360 to be in the United States.

00:11:48.980 That is the fundamental problem.

00:11:51.560 Yeah,

00:11:52.100 and that is...

00:11:53.360 Cut 10.

00:11:54.080 If you're in the country

00:11:54.620 illegally,

00:11:55.000 you're not off the table.

00:11:56.080 I mean,

00:11:56.320 people are,

00:11:56.760 I see people,

00:11:57.340 you know,

00:11:57.600 saying we're arresting

00:11:58.260 non-criminals.

00:11:58.940 Well,

00:11:59.220 they're in the country

00:11:59.900 illegally.

00:12:00.200 That's our job.

00:12:00.860 And we told ICE agents

00:12:01.860 in the process

00:12:02.560 going out looking for the bad guy.

00:12:04.100 And this is a problem

00:12:04.740 with sanctuary cities

00:12:05.560 when we go to the community

00:12:06.520 to go find the criminal.

00:12:08.140 Many times are with others.

00:12:09.320 Others that may not

00:12:10.360 be a criminal target,

00:12:11.500 but they're in the United States

00:12:12.420 illegally,

00:12:13.000 they're coming too.

00:12:13.760 We're going to force 0.89

00:12:14.280 immigration law.

00:12:14.980 Unlike the last administration

00:12:16.100 where Secretary Mayorkas

00:12:17.760 instructed ICE,

00:12:18.600 you can't arrest

00:12:19.360 an illegal alien

00:12:20.220 for simply being here illegally.

00:12:22.080 They got to be arrested,

00:12:23.400 be convicted

00:12:24.220 of a serious criminal offense.

00:12:25.780 He rewrote the law.

00:12:26.660 That's not what the law says.

00:12:27.820 We're going to force the law.

00:12:28.760 That's what the people

00:12:29.320 put President Trump

00:12:30.160 in office to do

00:12:31.040 and that's what we're doing.

00:12:32.580 Enforce the law.

00:12:33.480 And we have shut down

00:12:37.020 the border.

00:12:37.840 But again,

00:12:38.280 if you take Tom Homan

00:12:39.380 at his word

00:12:39.900 and there's 20 million

00:12:40.860 illegals here,

00:12:42.280 even at 3,000 deportations

00:12:45.240 a day,

00:12:45.860 it would take decades

00:12:47.500 to get that 20 million

00:12:49.860 out of the country.

00:12:51.440 That's the reality.

00:12:52.380 That's why Tom Homan

00:12:52.880 just said,

00:12:53.480 hey, we need to bump

00:12:54.020 those numbers up

00:12:54.720 to 7,000 a day.

00:12:55.940 We'll talk more about this,

00:12:57.420 but I do think

00:12:58.480 the only thing that makes sense

00:12:59.540 for Karen Bass

00:13:00.300 is she's hoping

00:13:00.980 to get arrested.

00:13:01.720 Gavin Newsom's

00:13:02.360 hoping to get arrested.

00:13:03.140 He actually called out

00:13:04.640 for it because they see it

00:13:06.180 as ultimately beneficial

00:13:07.420 in the Democrat Party,

00:13:08.760 even if it's actually

00:13:09.940 detrimental to their city

00:13:11.060 and state,

00:13:11.640 which is a sad place to be.

00:13:13.240 Look,

00:13:13.740 peace in Israel,

00:13:14.880 fragile.

00:13:15.520 Israel's military acted

00:13:16.800 on Sunday

00:13:17.360 against the Houthi rebels

00:13:18.460 after they attacked

00:13:19.720 a ship with materials

00:13:20.820 meant for Israel.

00:13:22.220 Every time Israeli citizens 1.00

00:13:23.780 think the threats

00:13:24.580 have been neutralized,

00:13:25.580 the rebels show

00:13:26.340 aggression again.

00:13:27.800 Israelis are still 1.00

00:13:28.840 recovering from

00:13:29.540 the missile bombings

00:13:30.300 from Iran

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00:15:00.880 Welcome back

00:15:01.700 into Clay and Buck.

00:15:03.020 We are joined by our friend

00:15:04.180 Selena Zito.

00:15:06.160 Book comes out today.

00:15:07.460 I've got a copy

00:15:08.120 because, you know,

00:15:09.000 I know some people.

00:15:10.700 Butler,

00:15:11.120 the untold story

00:15:12.440 of the near assassination

00:15:14.060 of Donald Trump

00:15:15.020 and the fight

00:15:15.840 for America's Heartland.

00:15:18.840 Selena,

00:15:19.300 you do great reporting.

00:15:20.480 You're an excellent writer.

00:15:22.320 You were right there

00:15:23.860 that day

00:15:24.800 in Butler

00:15:25.620 as those shots

00:15:26.900 rang out.

00:15:27.920 Tell us,

00:15:28.600 what was it like?

00:15:29.560 What happened?

00:15:31.200 Yeah.

00:15:31.740 So, you know,

00:15:32.900 when you're in reporting,

00:15:34.460 you aren't,

00:15:35.260 your day starts out

00:15:36.540 a certain way,

00:15:37.240 like you're going to do

00:15:37.940 this, this, and this.

00:15:38.980 And nine times out of ten,

00:15:40.420 that's not what happens.

00:15:42.220 And so,

00:15:43.420 that day,

00:15:44.680 I was supposed

00:15:45.120 to interview

00:15:45.680 President Trump

00:15:46.380 for five minutes

00:15:47.180 before the rally.

00:15:48.640 That changed

00:15:49.800 about two hours

00:15:51.000 after I'm in

00:15:52.000 at Butler

00:15:52.980 and it's going

00:15:54.460 to be five minutes

00:15:55.180 after the rally.

00:15:56.540 And then,

00:15:57.420 they say,

00:15:57.980 well,

00:15:58.220 you want to, like,

00:15:58.980 fly to Bedminster

00:16:00.180 with the president

00:16:01.120 and do the interview

00:16:02.440 on the plane.

00:16:03.140 I'm like,

00:16:03.440 well,

00:16:03.840 I never get an invite

00:16:05.040 like that.

00:16:05.560 I'm in.

00:16:07.020 And then,

00:16:08.500 five minutes

00:16:09.420 before he's supposed

00:16:10.460 to go on stage,

00:16:12.480 they come rushing back

00:16:14.020 and say,

00:16:14.520 it's go time.

00:16:15.640 And I just assumed

00:16:17.140 that they changed

00:16:18.040 their mind

00:16:18.560 and I was going

00:16:19.100 to do it

00:16:19.440 before the rally.

00:16:20.780 So,

00:16:21.120 I raced through it

00:16:22.300 along with my daughter

00:16:23.260 who's a photojournalist.

00:16:24.540 She did the cover 0.53

00:16:25.380 of the book

00:16:26.740 and raced

00:16:28.620 through the crowd.

00:16:29.420 We get to the

00:16:29.860 behind the stage

00:16:30.800 and I asked

00:16:32.080 the young man,

00:16:32.780 I'm like,

00:16:33.160 where are we doing

00:16:34.260 this interview?

00:16:35.300 And he,

00:16:35.680 the president's

00:16:36.500 around the bend.

00:16:37.420 He comes back

00:16:38.180 and he says,

00:16:38.740 I'm not doing

00:16:39.940 the interview right now.

00:16:41.020 You're still going

00:16:41.580 to Bedminster.

00:16:42.400 He just wanted

00:16:42.960 to say hi to you.

00:16:44.840 And so,

00:16:45.820 that moment

00:16:47.060 of him just wanting

00:16:48.100 to say hi,

00:16:49.180 he asked about

00:16:49.760 my grandchildren.

00:16:50.900 I've interviewed

00:16:51.440 President Trump

00:16:52.300 dozens of times.

00:16:54.500 And,

00:16:55.040 and at that moment,

00:16:56.980 I'm then now stuck

00:16:58.520 because I can't get

00:16:59.460 back to the press riser

00:17:00.680 and I'm supposed

00:17:01.680 to leave with him

00:17:02.660 to go to Bedminster

00:17:03.600 along with my daughter.

00:17:04.720 So they put me

00:17:06.320 in the buffer area.

00:17:08.100 The buffer is sort

00:17:09.080 of this well

00:17:09.840 that goes around

00:17:10.540 the stage

00:17:11.240 and they said,

00:17:12.700 just follow him out

00:17:13.480 and then get over

00:17:14.380 on the other side

00:17:15.180 towards the end.

00:17:16.140 You can just jump

00:17:16.940 in the motorcade.

00:17:18.460 That's why I ended

00:17:19.380 up being just four feet

00:17:20.920 away from the president

00:17:21.760 when he was shot.

00:17:22.860 Was right,

00:17:23.780 if you can see me,

00:17:24.900 and a lot of the photos

00:17:26.280 just to his,

00:17:27.760 that would have been

00:17:28.320 his left.

00:17:28.940 Selina,

00:17:31.940 this is,

00:17:32.540 I've got the book

00:17:32.980 in front of me

00:17:33.360 right now

00:17:33.800 and I read the opening

00:17:34.900 chapter already.

00:17:36.300 It's fabulously well done

00:17:37.480 and I'm actually

00:17:38.500 looking forward

00:17:39.060 to reading it

00:17:39.620 and we get a lot

00:17:40.180 of books

00:17:40.560 and I'm not able

00:17:41.220 to read all of them.

00:17:43.480 But,

00:17:44.040 we're coming up

00:17:45.120 on the one year

00:17:45.820 anniversary.

00:17:47.520 Do you find it

00:17:48.360 as hard as I do,

00:17:50.000 as I think Buck does,

00:17:51.580 and as I imagine

00:17:52.820 the vast majority

00:17:53.480 of people out there

00:17:54.240 listening do,

00:17:55.580 that we still

00:17:56.440 know almost nothing

00:17:57.500 about this guy

00:17:58.780 who got onto the roof

00:18:00.140 with that gun,

00:18:01.860 not much about

00:18:02.740 his background,

00:18:03.820 not much about

00:18:04.460 his motivation

00:18:05.080 on that day,

00:18:05.940 not even that much

00:18:06.940 about how he came

00:18:07.940 to come as close

00:18:09.640 as he did to killing

00:18:10.820 the president

00:18:11.380 of the United States,

00:18:12.140 which by the grace

00:18:12.740 of God he did not

00:18:13.720 achieve,

00:18:14.880 but we're in a

00:18:15.500 completely different

00:18:16.540 universe if that

00:18:18.020 bullet is one quarter

00:18:19.320 inch closer to the

00:18:20.520 president.

00:18:21.640 What do you think

00:18:22.620 now,

00:18:22.920 having been there,

00:18:23.600 having witnessed it,

00:18:24.320 does it still seem

00:18:25.220 improbable that all

00:18:26.320 of this happened?

00:18:28.060 It does seem

00:18:29.200 improbable that all

00:18:30.660 of this happened,

00:18:31.620 and you'll find out

00:18:33.320 in the book,

00:18:34.040 the president calls

00:18:34.920 me the first thing

00:18:35.720 the next morning,

00:18:38.000 and,

00:18:38.520 you know,

00:18:40.160 President Trump

00:18:40.820 is a little hilarious

00:18:41.780 if you haven't

00:18:42.820 picked up on that.

00:18:44.080 The first thing he

00:18:45.020 says is,

00:18:45.760 hey,

00:18:45.960 this is President

00:18:46.660 Trump,

00:18:47.060 like I don't know

00:18:47.800 that,

00:18:48.160 right?

00:18:48.960 And then he goes,

00:18:50.700 I want to make

00:18:52.080 sure you're okay,

00:18:53.040 your daughter's okay,

00:18:53.940 and I'm so sorry

00:18:55.620 that we didn't get

00:18:56.740 to do that interview.

00:18:58.780 And that's this

00:19:00.520 moment with him,

00:19:01.760 right,

00:19:02.460 that you really

00:19:03.300 understand,

00:19:04.160 like,

00:19:04.560 this is not the

00:19:06.300 person you always

00:19:07.000 think he is.

00:19:08.440 And we have,

00:19:09.840 we go on that day,

00:19:11.100 and it's detailed

00:19:11.900 in the book,

00:19:13.000 we go on that day,

00:19:14.140 because he calls me

00:19:14.920 seven times,

00:19:17.340 and he really

00:19:18.860 talks about the

00:19:20.580 improbability that he

00:19:21.940 didn't die.

00:19:23.520 And he questions

00:19:24.500 about purpose

00:19:26.000 and about God,

00:19:27.720 not in a fanatical,

00:19:29.840 you know,

00:19:30.660 religious way,

00:19:31.800 but in a way

00:19:32.440 that is very

00:19:33.020 thoughtful.

00:19:34.440 And,

00:19:34.680 you know,

00:19:35.820 why didn't I die?

00:19:37.920 Do I know how,

00:19:39.060 do I have this

00:19:39.900 new purpose?

00:19:41.380 And I think he

00:19:42.660 answers that question

00:19:44.000 every day,

00:19:44.900 whether you agree

00:19:45.940 or not with

00:19:46.620 everything that he

00:19:48.020 does.

00:19:48.500 He answers that

00:19:49.720 question every day

00:19:50.760 since he was sworn

00:19:51.520 in in January.

00:19:52.960 He does have

00:19:53.580 purpose.

00:19:54.580 This is not

00:19:55.400 the presidency

00:19:56.580 of a man going

00:19:57.880 into his second

00:19:58.640 term.

00:19:59.680 This is a

00:20:00.240 presidency,

00:20:00.820 this is not a

00:20:01.400 lame duck

00:20:01.820 presidency.

00:20:02.540 He is approaching

00:20:03.340 this as someone

00:20:04.880 who was spared

00:20:06.260 by God,

00:20:06.840 and he says that

00:20:07.440 many times to me,

00:20:09.000 but also as

00:20:10.800 someone that has

00:20:12.080 a purpose,

00:20:12.900 and he is meant

00:20:13.880 to fulfill it.

00:20:15.220 And he's going

00:20:16.000 to go head

00:20:17.160 down straight

00:20:18.100 into it,

00:20:18.840 because you

00:20:19.960 never know

00:20:20.780 what's going

00:20:21.720 to happen to

00:20:22.320 you.

00:20:22.780 I think that

00:20:23.720 what you just

00:20:24.220 said is so

00:20:24.680 important,

00:20:25.120 and I think

00:20:25.460 people are

00:20:25.900 picking up on

00:20:26.520 it now.

00:20:26.900 I think even

00:20:27.340 Democrats are.

00:20:28.780 The biggest

00:20:29.200 difference between

00:20:30.040 Trump 1.0 and

00:20:31.120 Trump 2.0 is

00:20:32.400 the quality of

00:20:33.080 the people he

00:20:33.520 surrounded himself

00:20:34.400 with, yes.

00:20:35.740 But also,

00:20:36.760 Trump is making

00:20:37.820 decisions that he

00:20:38.820 thinks are

00:20:39.300 generationally in

00:20:40.300 the interest of

00:20:41.160 the country,

00:20:42.100 and he's not

00:20:42.840 concerned at all

00:20:44.060 with anyone who

00:20:44.880 might disagree with

00:20:45.800 him, and I

00:20:46.180 think that's

00:20:46.560 partly because

00:20:47.160 he feels

00:20:47.700 spared based

00:20:48.800 on what

00:20:49.100 happened that

00:20:49.580 day in

00:20:49.900 Butler.

00:20:51.180 Yes, so I

00:20:52.460 have an

00:20:52.700 interview coming

00:20:53.300 out with him

00:20:53.860 this week on

00:20:54.600 Friday in the

00:20:55.180 Washington Post,

00:20:56.000 and he talks

00:20:56.700 about that in

00:20:57.840 a very meaningful

00:20:58.720 and profound

00:20:59.360 way.

00:21:01.560 And, you

00:21:02.520 know, part of

00:21:03.160 who he surrounds

00:21:03.860 himself also has

00:21:04.960 to do with

00:21:05.400 Butler.

00:21:06.100 Butler changed

00:21:07.160 everything.

00:21:08.340 It didn't just

00:21:09.120 change the

00:21:10.220 American electorate.

00:21:11.960 It didn't just

00:21:12.800 change our

00:21:13.580 coalitions and

00:21:14.700 galvanize people. 0.73

00:21:15.800 And people

00:21:17.200 will read that

00:21:18.640 detail as I

00:21:20.020 continue to

00:21:20.840 cover the

00:21:21.340 election in a

00:21:22.600 way that none

00:21:23.560 of you have

00:21:24.200 saw because the

00:21:26.120 reporters were

00:21:26.920 writing something

00:21:27.580 completely different

00:21:28.600 than what I was

00:21:29.820 reporting in that

00:21:30.700 moment.

00:21:31.840 But everything

00:21:33.380 changed in that

00:21:34.760 moment.

00:21:35.240 And I think

00:21:36.020 this nugget's

00:21:36.820 important because

00:21:38.100 it goes to

00:21:39.220 understanding Trump

00:21:40.500 in a way that

00:21:41.140 people don't

00:21:41.840 understand.

00:21:42.280 and it goes

00:21:42.960 to understanding

00:21:43.560 why he's going

00:21:44.480 to do what he's

00:21:44.900 going to do because

00:21:45.520 God saved him.

00:21:47.180 And that is the

00:21:48.360 moment that he

00:21:48.880 says, fight, 0.84

00:21:49.560 fight, fight.

00:21:50.680 And I asked him

00:21:51.460 about it the next

00:21:52.220 day and I asked

00:21:53.120 him again about

00:21:53.760 it two weeks

00:21:54.500 ago.

00:21:55.600 He said, I just

00:21:56.760 wanted to revisit

00:21:57.460 it with him.

00:21:58.060 And he had the

00:21:58.420 same exact answer

00:21:59.520 because I didn't

00:22:00.240 know if he would

00:22:00.760 remember that or

00:22:01.520 not, right?

00:22:01.940 That was a pretty

00:22:02.600 crazy day the next

00:22:03.660 day.

00:22:04.220 He said, I was

00:22:05.400 not Donald Trump

00:22:06.340 in that moment.

00:22:06.960 I had an

00:22:08.440 obligation to

00:22:10.220 be someone who

00:22:11.960 shows resolve and

00:22:14.020 be a symbol of

00:22:15.360 the country, be a

00:22:16.580 symbol of grit and

00:22:17.600 exceptionalism, and

00:22:19.040 we will go

00:22:19.800 undefeated.

00:22:20.900 And that is what

00:22:21.760 America has always 0.89

00:22:22.680 meant to me.

00:22:23.860 And I had an

00:22:25.040 obligation as a

00:22:25.880 former president and

00:22:26.940 possibly the next

00:22:27.820 president to show

00:22:29.160 that.

00:22:30.200 Because in a lot of

00:22:32.040 ways, because I

00:22:32.720 didn't want people to

00:22:33.620 panic there, and

00:22:34.680 they didn't, by the

00:22:35.780 way.

00:22:36.060 But also, I

00:22:37.180 didn't want people

00:22:37.920 watching panicking

00:22:39.340 out in the streets.

00:22:41.480 I had an obligation

00:22:42.260 to be presidential,

00:22:44.540 not to be Donald

00:22:45.440 Trump, to represent

00:22:46.680 the office in the

00:22:47.620 country with

00:22:49.120 resolve.

00:22:51.440 Selena, honestly,

00:22:53.540 wasn't that just the

00:22:54.100 most amazing thing

00:22:54.760 you've ever seen a

00:22:55.380 president do?

00:22:56.380 Amazing even for

00:22:57.400 President Trump, who's

00:22:58.220 done a lot of

00:22:59.260 incredible stuff.

00:23:00.720 Clay and I still sit

00:23:01.560 there and think, I

00:23:03.260 can't, it's hard to

00:23:04.920 believe, even when you

00:23:05.640 watch the video, I

00:23:06.040 know, even when we

00:23:06.600 saw it the first

00:23:07.120 time as it was

00:23:07.860 happening, that a

00:23:09.100 president took a 0.67

00:23:09.720 bullet through the 0.93

00:23:10.260 ear, was bleeding

00:23:11.020 on stage, and

00:23:12.560 turned to his

00:23:13.120 people and raised a

00:23:14.600 fist and told them

00:23:15.820 to fight.

00:23:17.240 Yeah.

00:23:18.860 Yeah, it was, that

00:23:20.700 process went through

00:23:22.240 his head, that

00:23:23.480 understanding that it

00:23:24.740 was more, he wasn't

00:23:26.700 him, he was a man

00:23:27.720 there, he was a

00:23:29.180 president, he was

00:23:30.360 America in that

00:23:31.160 moment, right?

00:23:31.720 You know, that

00:23:32.400 symbol of our

00:23:33.240 country when you

00:23:34.020 think about the

00:23:34.680 American eagle,

00:23:35.740 right?

00:23:37.000 Perseverance and

00:23:38.200 strength and

00:23:39.620 grit.

00:23:40.700 He knew that

00:23:42.280 people needed to

00:23:43.380 know that he was

00:23:44.140 fighting, that the

00:23:45.140 country was fighting,

00:23:46.380 and that something as

00:23:47.580 dark as demonic as 0.98

00:23:49.080 what Thomas Matthew

00:23:51.000 Crooks attempted to 1.00

00:23:52.280 do, and would have

00:23:53.500 caused immense chaos

00:23:55.420 and unrest in this

00:23:57.000 country, was not

00:23:58.800 succeeded, and he

00:24:00.120 wanted to show that

00:24:01.100 America is resilient.

00:24:03.200 I don't, and I

00:24:04.400 remember him telling

00:24:05.520 me that, and my

00:24:07.540 reaction was, wow,

00:24:09.780 that's deep, because

00:24:11.800 it was.

00:24:13.200 It was, it was, it

00:24:14.980 was, to think on

00:24:16.660 your feet like that

00:24:17.740 after you've been

00:24:18.800 shot, I mean, most

00:24:19.640 people would be in the

00:24:20.500 fetal position, right?

00:24:22.380 And I'm watching him.

00:24:23.380 See, remember, I'm

00:24:24.220 only four feet away,

00:24:26.200 and I'm watching him

00:24:28.020 struggle with his

00:24:30.860 secret service, because

00:24:31.920 he wants his shoes 0.98

00:24:32.660 on, and dammit, he's 0.98

00:24:34.940 going to get his 0.99

00:24:35.500 shoes on.

00:24:35.980 He is not walking

00:24:37.080 off of that stage in

00:24:38.680 his stocking feet

00:24:39.640 across gravel.

00:24:41.660 He is going to be the

00:24:43.180 United States.

00:24:44.320 Were you able to go

00:24:45.880 to, I'm just kind of

00:24:46.740 curious, when something

00:24:47.660 like that happens, were

00:24:48.800 you able to immediately

00:24:50.320 contextualize the

00:24:51.620 historic moment of

00:24:52.900 what had occurred, and

00:24:54.600 the fact that I think

00:24:56.100 for hundreds of years

00:24:57.460 people are going to

00:24:58.140 be watching that

00:24:59.140 video, and it's going

00:25:01.160 to become even more

00:25:01.940 iconic after the

00:25:03.100 passions of the

00:25:04.260 moment start to fade

00:25:05.380 because Democrats have

00:25:06.640 whatever they think

00:25:07.320 about Trump, but I

00:25:08.100 think 50, 100 years

00:25:09.840 from now, long after

00:25:11.000 anyone who is

00:25:12.020 listening to us today

00:25:13.280 is not here, that

00:25:15.020 moment is going to

00:25:15.880 become so indelible

00:25:16.960 and so iconic in

00:25:18.880 American life.

00:25:19.940 Did you understand

00:25:21.020 that or feel that

00:25:22.560 immediately?

00:25:23.380 And second part,

00:25:24.880 did you, like, were

00:25:25.860 you able to sleep

00:25:26.580 that night?

00:25:27.120 I'm just kind of

00:25:27.580 curious when you

00:25:28.340 have that experience,

00:25:29.700 how long it takes you

00:25:30.940 to come down off the

00:25:32.100 adrenaline rush just

00:25:33.520 based on where you

00:25:34.560 were to say nothing

00:25:35.780 of him?

00:25:37.760 I've still not come

00:25:39.100 down from it.

00:25:41.740 And, you know, I

00:25:44.380 knew exactly, you

00:25:46.020 know, as a journalist,

00:25:47.520 you know, part of your

00:25:49.320 job, even if it's a

00:25:50.640 tiny thread, you're

00:25:52.400 always covering history

00:25:53.780 every day.

00:25:54.900 Yep.

00:25:55.240 But I knew in that

00:25:56.560 moment, you know, and

00:25:58.280 he talks about purpose,

00:25:59.980 but I also talk about

00:26:01.160 purpose.

00:26:01.600 There is a reason I

00:26:02.800 was there, right?

00:26:04.780 And there was a reason

00:26:06.060 I was supposed to

00:26:07.200 chronicle this.

00:26:08.740 And I knew that that

00:26:11.680 was what my purpose

00:26:13.020 was.

00:26:13.700 And to be able to

00:26:15.340 tell this story in

00:26:17.080 because I have a gift

00:26:19.300 of total recall,

00:26:21.060 right, I can remember

00:26:22.200 every smell, every

00:26:23.740 smell, like I think

00:26:24.720 in color, right?

00:26:25.780 Like I can smell and

00:26:27.460 taste and feel

00:26:28.760 everything in that

00:26:29.920 moment.

00:26:31.200 And when people say

00:26:32.980 when they've been in a

00:26:34.600 tragic situation, the

00:26:36.580 time slows down,

00:26:38.320 that was very true for

00:26:39.920 me.

00:26:40.880 And I watched the

00:26:42.040 entire thing in

00:26:43.780 these very fine

00:26:47.120 layers.

00:26:48.720 And because I have

00:26:49.360 the gift of recall,

00:26:51.040 and plus I have my

00:26:51.760 recorder on, and I

00:26:53.140 record everything that

00:26:55.260 happens, I can hear

00:26:56.120 everything the

00:26:56.620 president says, but

00:26:58.080 also I'm talking to

00:26:59.420 my recorder so I

00:27:00.480 don't forget

00:27:01.240 anything.

00:27:02.920 And I probably

00:27:04.780 started the book.

00:27:07.100 I didn't even think

00:27:08.140 about a book.

00:27:08.720 I just thought, well,

00:27:09.220 I need to write this

00:27:09.940 story.

00:27:10.260 And I did, but

00:27:11.980 you know, people

00:27:13.080 came to me and

00:27:13.680 were like, you

00:27:14.040 have an obligation

00:27:15.360 to write this book.

00:27:17.240 And so I immediately

00:27:19.080 started writing it.

00:27:20.620 But as I'm writing

00:27:21.640 it, I'm still

00:27:22.580 continuing to cover

00:27:24.060 an extraordinarily

00:27:25.340 historic election

00:27:27.360 that I believe, as

00:27:29.320 I'm watching it, that

00:27:30.480 other people aren't

00:27:31.700 covering what's

00:27:32.560 happening.

00:27:33.220 They're covering what

00:27:34.240 they wish was

00:27:35.060 happening.

00:27:36.000 They're covering what

00:27:36.980 they hope happens.

00:27:38.760 But I'm on the

00:27:39.480 ground there and

00:27:40.240 Pennsylvania, in

00:27:41.220 the middle of

00:27:41.800 somewhere, Pennsylvania.

00:27:43.720 And I'm covering

00:27:44.560 this and seeing

00:27:45.380 this entire country

00:27:47.120 change, not just in

00:27:48.960 the rural areas, but

00:27:50.460 in the suburbs.

00:27:51.240 I'm watching these

00:27:52.180 young mothers who

00:27:53.920 have never put a

00:27:55.860 Trump hat on in the

00:27:57.660 next weekend have

00:27:59.300 them on at their

00:28:00.040 kids' soccer games

00:28:02.320 because, and there's

00:28:04.080 interviews in the

00:28:04.840 book, and they

00:28:05.220 said, hey, he can 1.00

00:28:05.940 take a bullet for 1.00

00:28:06.700 me. 1.00

00:28:07.120 I can wear a damn 1.00

00:28:08.160 hat and not worry 1.00

00:28:09.420 about what people

00:28:10.060 say to me.

00:28:11.020 Everything changed

00:28:12.300 in that moment.

00:28:14.200 Butler, the untold

00:28:15.840 story of the near

00:28:17.220 assassination of

00:28:18.260 Donald Trump and

00:28:18.980 the fight for

00:28:19.480 America's heartland.

00:28:20.960 Selena Zito's book

00:28:21.700 out today.

00:28:23.260 Selena's great.

00:28:24.060 We really love her

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00:28:25.680 Get yourself a copy.

00:28:26.900 Selena, thank you

00:28:27.500 so much.

00:28:28.740 Oh, thank you,

00:28:29.400 guys.

00:28:29.640 Have a great day.

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00:30:07.180 Secretary, appreciate

00:30:08.180 you being with us.

00:30:08.860 We know you were just

00:30:09.820 in a marathon

00:30:11.080 cabinet meeting as a

00:30:12.520 member of the

00:30:13.120 cabinet.

00:30:13.500 A lot covered

00:30:14.560 there.

00:30:15.420 Wanted to just jump

00:30:16.300 into what is in the

00:30:18.640 big beautiful bill that

00:30:20.800 affects directly U.S.

00:30:23.460 national energy policy?

00:30:25.680 What do we need to

00:30:26.360 know about what's

00:30:27.120 coming?

00:30:28.880 Actually, quite a bit.

00:30:30.640 But let me start out

00:30:31.720 with maybe the biggest

00:30:32.920 thing is it's the

00:30:34.740 ending of about a

00:30:36.400 half a trillion dollars

00:30:37.780 of subsidies that

00:30:39.380 would be paid out in

00:30:40.800 the next 10 years.

00:30:42.060 So, you know, roughly

00:30:42.880 50 billion a year.

00:30:44.620 We've been paying

00:30:45.660 these for many years.

00:30:47.720 And the biggest

00:30:48.340 component to them is

00:30:49.820 to pay people to put

00:30:51.520 wind and solar on our

00:30:53.780 electricity grid and

00:30:55.140 subsidies to help

00:30:56.680 rich people buy EVs.

00:30:59.380 And so the problem

00:31:00.820 of these subsidies is

00:31:02.340 they not only cost the

00:31:04.360 taxpayers a half a

00:31:05.420 trillion dollars, but

00:31:06.460 at the end, they make

00:31:07.520 our electricity grids

00:31:08.660 more expensive and

00:31:09.660 less stable.

00:31:10.560 So we have to pay

00:31:11.480 twice.

00:31:12.720 So I think reducing

00:31:13.960 the pressure, the cost

00:31:15.440 of these subsidies and

00:31:16.740 the pressure on the

00:31:17.640 cost and stability of

00:31:18.700 our grid is going to

00:31:19.800 be a big win for

00:31:20.600 Americans.

00:31:22.300 When you look at the

00:31:23.720 at the price of gas,

00:31:25.560 I think there's a big

00:31:26.120 story that isn't being

00:31:26.860 talked in the price of

00:31:27.980 gasoline in affordability

00:31:29.660 terms.

00:31:30.440 So it's just tremendous.

00:31:31.920 That's a significant

00:31:32.920 expense that all

00:31:34.640 Americans, all of us

00:31:35.720 pay every week to get

00:31:37.480 to our jobs, to go on

00:31:38.860 vacations, to visit our

00:31:40.560 grandmothers and travel

00:31:41.700 with our kids.

00:31:43.220 If you make gasoline

00:31:44.200 prices expensive, you

00:31:45.580 just shrink the life

00:31:46.860 administration's record,

00:31:48.840 we have gasoline 25 to

00:31:50.720 30 cents a gallon

00:31:51.800 cheaper today than it

00:31:53.600 was 12 months ago.

00:31:54.820 And that's going through

00:31:56.180 a period of major

00:31:58.000 conflict in the Middle

00:31:59.480 East, but major

00:32:00.640 productive conflict in

00:32:02.400 the Middle East,

00:32:03.340 hopefully ending the

00:32:04.420 46 years of Iran as the 0.99

00:32:07.340 troublemaker in the

00:32:08.280 Middle East and really the 0.55

00:32:10.420 threat to global peace,

00:32:11.860 probably the largest

00:32:12.680 global threat to peace

00:32:14.440 over the last 45 years.

00:32:16.220 We're speaking to the 0.82

00:32:17.320 Secretary of the U.S.

00:32:18.100 Department of Energy,

00:32:18.820 Chris Wright, and Mr.

00:32:20.020 Secretary, if you could

00:32:21.500 lay out for us, what does

00:32:23.980 a make energy great

00:32:26.340 again, you know, M-E-G-A, 1.00

00:32:28.740 mega, what does a make

00:32:30.760 energy great again policy

00:32:32.780 under Trump look like going

00:32:35.000 forward?

00:32:35.780 Does it include nuclear?

00:32:37.420 Is it new technology

00:32:39.440 applied to fossil fuels?

00:32:41.700 Like what what is the

00:32:42.620 Trump administration

00:32:43.120 trying to accomplish so

00:32:44.380 that not only are we

00:32:45.760 doing as much as we can

00:32:46.960 with the technology we

00:32:48.300 have and the resources we

00:32:49.620 have in the past, but

00:32:51.280 that we do new things,

00:32:52.560 innovative things going

00:32:53.420 forward?

00:32:54.880 Oh, great setting of that

00:32:56.460 table.

00:32:57.120 So I mentioned that

00:32:58.100 getting rid of a half a

00:32:59.160 trillion dollars to make

00:33:00.400 energy expensive.

00:33:01.800 There's also in the one

00:33:03.440 big beautiful bill just

00:33:04.680 returning to rule of law

00:33:06.520 and allowing oil, gas

00:33:08.880 and coal producers to

00:33:10.240 produce again on federal

00:33:11.900 lands across the country.

00:33:13.300 This will lower baseline

00:33:15.020 energy prices in the

00:33:16.480 coming years and decades

00:33:17.860 in front of us.

00:33:18.800 I squeezed that one in

00:33:19.740 there real quick.

00:33:20.820 But there's also I'm a

00:33:22.880 free market guy, so I'm

00:33:24.240 not a fan of subsidies,

00:33:25.400 but we do have tax

00:33:27.320 credits in there for a

00:33:28.400 finite period of time for

00:33:30.220 next generation nuclear

00:33:31.560 and for geothermal and for

00:33:33.920 up rates if we can get

00:33:35.180 more power out of

00:33:36.120 hydro, have it cheaper

00:33:37.400 to build big reactors.

00:33:38.760 Yeah, go ahead.

00:33:39.860 No, I was going to add

00:33:40.740 exactly what you were

00:33:41.840 going into, which is

00:33:42.560 what does that look like?

00:33:43.360 Because nuclear,

00:33:44.640 unfortunately, became a

00:33:46.440 boogeyman.

00:33:47.240 What does it look like

00:33:48.540 and what percentage do

00:33:49.760 you think of our power

00:33:50.600 could come from nuclear

00:33:51.680 in the years ahead, given

00:33:53.360 the Trump administration's

00:33:54.520 willingness and your

00:33:55.500 willingness to?

00:33:56.860 20% of electricity

00:33:58.300 today.

00:33:59.040 So after natural gas,

00:34:00.260 which is by far and

00:34:01.140 away the leader,

00:34:01.980 nuclear is second.

00:34:02.800 But yeah, a couple

00:34:05.220 decades from now, that

00:34:06.320 could be 40 or 50% of our

00:34:09.260 electricity from nuclear.

00:34:10.780 We've got to build a lot

00:34:11.980 to do that, but this is

00:34:13.480 America.

00:34:14.120 We can build a lot.

00:34:15.800 The Nuclear Regulatory

00:34:16.760 Commission, the NRC, has

00:34:18.200 just made it so expensive,

00:34:20.340 so slow, and so risky to

00:34:21.980 develop nuclear power in

00:34:23.020 the country, we basically

00:34:24.180 stopped doing it for the

00:34:25.200 last few decades.

00:34:26.380 So we need regulatory

00:34:27.400 reform at the NRC.

00:34:29.380 We need regulatory reform

00:34:31.620 from NEPA so that it's

00:34:33.400 just a check.

00:34:34.520 Are we being smart about

00:34:35.560 the environment?

00:34:36.380 Not a weaponized thing.

00:34:37.900 You could just have

00:34:38.520 lawsuits and stop anything

00:34:39.800 from being built.

00:34:41.220 We need to have simplified

00:34:42.840 permitting on federal

00:34:44.380 lands.

00:34:44.940 Department of Energy will

00:34:45.820 be in charge of that.

00:34:47.000 We will have next

00:34:47.920 generation test reactors

00:34:49.260 running 12 months from

00:34:50.720 today at our Idaho

00:34:52.400 National Lab facilities

00:34:54.000 there.

00:34:54.700 Like the technology is

00:34:55.760 there, the private

00:34:56.660 capital is there, the

00:34:57.840 interest is there.

00:34:58.880 We just need the

00:35:00.000 government to get out

00:35:01.080 of the way and let

00:35:02.400 capitalism and free

00:35:03.640 market forces bring us

00:35:05.700 a very exciting few

00:35:07.300 decades with rapid

00:35:08.440 growth in nuclear

00:35:09.440 energy.

00:35:10.680 We're talking to Energy

00:35:11.900 Secretary Chris Wright.

00:35:13.400 Buck just asked, and

00:35:14.320 you are hearing a lot of

00:35:15.500 talk about the need for

00:35:16.540 nuclear power.

00:35:17.840 Underscoring all of this

00:35:19.440 based on the people that

00:35:20.600 I talk to is there

00:35:22.520 isn't enough discussion

00:35:23.540 about all of the power

00:35:24.880 and energy that's going

00:35:25.900 to be necessary for AI

00:35:27.700 that the amount that

00:35:30.300 this is going to

00:35:31.700 demand, the amount

00:35:32.920 that it's going to

00:35:33.520 soak up is just off

00:35:35.080 the charts.

00:35:36.580 That, I imagine, is

00:35:37.900 something you're

00:35:38.460 spending a decent

00:35:39.300 amount on as well.

00:35:41.540 For AI, for the AI

00:35:43.900 revolution to take

00:35:45.140 place and for America

00:35:46.300 to lead, what sort of

00:35:48.080 energy do we need to

00:35:49.640 create that isn't being

00:35:50.800 created now?

00:35:51.560 Is that accurate based

00:35:52.580 on what you're seeing?

00:35:53.380 No, you're absolutely

00:35:55.440 right.

00:35:55.760 Let me give the numbers

00:35:56.760 real quick.

00:35:57.840 We have, so here we are

00:35:58.820 2025, five years from

00:36:00.420 now, we're going to need

00:36:01.600 probably at least another

00:36:03.360 100 gigawatts of

00:36:05.240 generation.

00:36:06.140 A gigawatt is like a big

00:36:07.780 coal power plant, a big

00:36:09.000 natural gas plant, a

00:36:10.380 nuclear plant.

00:36:11.060 Some nuclear plants are

00:36:11.840 two or three gigawatts.

00:36:13.160 But 100 gigawatts of

00:36:14.760 additional power five

00:36:16.460 years from now, and in

00:36:18.040 the current plan, there is

00:36:20.160 a plan to shut down

00:36:21.860 100 gigawatts of mostly

00:36:24.560 coal plants over the

00:36:25.680 next five years.

00:36:26.720 If we did all that, we'd

00:36:28.160 have to build 200

00:36:29.520 gigawatts of new power

00:36:31.240 generation to meet that

00:36:33.180 projected demand.

00:36:34.800 And what's in the queue

00:36:35.720 right now that's visible

00:36:37.140 or applying for a permit

00:36:39.040 or acquiring land of

00:36:40.360 firm capacity?

00:36:41.740 About 20 gigawatts.

00:36:44.060 So a gaping hole, which

00:36:45.960 is why this

00:36:46.540 administration and my

00:36:47.620 department are going to

00:36:49.040 be very carefully

00:36:50.240 scrutinizing, does it

00:36:51.300 make sense to shut down

00:36:52.620 that coal power plant

00:36:53.780 like the one they tried

00:36:54.840 to shut down in

00:36:55.580 Michigan?

00:36:56.380 An over one gigawatt

00:36:57.640 power plant, 15 years

00:36:59.340 left to plant life and

00:37:00.540 for political reasons,

00:37:01.980 we want to get rid of

00:37:02.820 coal, we're going to

00:37:03.380 shut that puppy down. 0.98

00:37:05.360 I used emergency powers

00:37:07.120 to keep it open.

00:37:08.360 Two days in that same

00:37:10.040 Midwest grid, there was a

00:37:11.780 blackout.

00:37:12.680 Like we've just got to

00:37:13.540 stop shooting ourselves

00:37:14.580 in the foot by closing

00:37:15.960 existing plants and we've

00:37:17.520 got to make it much, much

00:37:18.840 easier for American

00:37:20.220 businesses to build new

00:37:21.840 natural gas plants, to

00:37:23.000 build new new current

00:37:23.760 plants, to build new

00:37:25.440 geothermal, next

00:37:26.740 generation electricity

00:37:27.720 generating capacity.

00:37:29.580 Just wind and solar just

00:37:30.880 is simply not an answer.

00:37:32.540 You know, it's really hot

00:37:33.160 in D.C. today, but the

00:37:34.320 wind is still.

00:37:35.160 No wind power at time of

00:37:36.880 peak demand.

00:37:37.960 In the winter, it's really

00:37:38.740 cold at night, but we

00:37:40.080 don't have any solar

00:37:40.760 power.

00:37:41.340 And when you're in a

00:37:41.920 cold, of a huge cold

00:37:43.480 front, it's again a high

00:37:44.860 pressure system, no wind.

00:37:47.020 So we've just got to get

00:37:48.400 smart about energy in the

00:37:49.900 United States again, but

00:37:51.020 it's business and private

00:37:53.360 entrepreneurs that are

00:37:54.640 going to drive this.

00:37:55.960 We just need the

00:37:56.600 government to be out of

00:37:58.660 the way and a credible

00:38:00.000 partner for permitting and

00:38:02.400 any other infrastructure that

00:38:03.660 needs to be built to

00:38:04.560 support it.

00:38:05.440 But I'm optimistic.

00:38:06.420 This is America.

00:38:07.200 We can build things again.

00:38:09.100 One more for you, Mr.

00:38:10.700 Secretary.

00:38:11.040 Secretary, thank you for

00:38:11.880 being with us.

00:38:12.720 In terms of exports for

00:38:16.060 particularly oil and

00:38:17.960 natural gas, I know we've

00:38:20.040 been doing very well, and

00:38:22.400 America is really the 0.95

00:38:23.920 world's fossil fuel, the

00:38:25.700 true fossil fuel superpower.

00:38:27.400 We don't necessarily think

00:38:28.160 of ourselves that way, but

00:38:29.180 I think the numbers

00:38:29.820 certainly bear that out.

00:38:31.740 Is there going to be,

00:38:33.280 would you expect it, an

00:38:34.340 increase in that?

00:38:35.720 And how do you see it

00:38:37.180 affecting global demand?

00:38:41.040 Yes, there's going to be a

00:38:42.360 huge increase of that.

00:38:43.800 The United States is

00:38:44.960 already by far the

00:38:46.960 largest exporter of

00:38:48.120 natural gas in the

00:38:48.960 world, and we will

00:38:50.040 double that in the next

00:38:51.540 five years.

00:38:52.720 And the five or seven

00:38:53.760 years after that, we

00:38:55.120 could double it again.

00:38:57.300 So America would just be 0.85

00:38:58.640 the dominant supplier of

00:39:00.300 natural gas around the

00:39:01.400 world.

00:39:01.880 That's 25 percent of

00:39:03.620 global energy comes from

00:39:04.720 natural gas.

00:39:06.220 And it's the fastest

00:39:07.220 growing source of energy

00:39:08.680 on the planet.

00:39:09.280 So super excited about

00:39:11.440 where all this could go.

00:39:13.700 And I've got to jump

00:39:16.400 on to that.

00:39:17.420 No, we like the

00:39:18.400 optimism.

00:39:19.060 Thanks for joining us

00:39:19.800 right after cabinet

00:39:20.560 meeting.

00:39:20.980 Secretary of Energy,

00:39:22.820 Chris Wright, thank you

00:39:23.560 so much, sir.

00:39:25.100 Love to show you guys

00:39:26.140 run.

00:39:26.520 Keep up the great work.

00:39:27.960 Thank you.

00:39:28.460 Thank you.

00:39:29.200 Can I just say, I love

00:39:30.280 that the Secretary of

00:39:31.160 Energy is a high energy

00:39:32.720 guy, you know?

00:39:33.880 He's not low energy, he's

00:39:35.160 high energy.

00:39:35.900 Running around there in

00:39:36.880 the background, we'll

00:39:38.580 break down some of that,

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00:41:46.800 Welcome back in Clay

00:41:48.260 Travis, Buck Sexton

00:41:49.640 show.

00:41:50.660 All right.

00:41:51.820 We'll play some of your

00:41:53.040 reactions again.

00:41:54.220 I have brilliantly

00:41:55.180 explained why the Epstein

00:41:57.540 case is really, frankly,

00:41:59.160 based on all the logic

00:42:00.620 about a guy who got rich

00:42:02.140 by being able to provide

00:42:03.520 young, attractive women

00:42:05.180 to people who were also

00:42:06.800 rich.

00:42:07.480 And that may well have

00:42:08.920 led to relationships with

00:42:10.860 intelligence agencies.

00:42:13.820 And so far, that does not

00:42:17.120 seem to have quelled the

00:42:19.420 crazy brigade.

00:42:21.200 So the crazy brigade is

00:42:22.440 welcome to call in 800-282-2882

00:42:25.020 and argue that the entire

00:42:26.800 government has conspired to

00:42:28.620 protect Jeffrey Epstein.

00:42:31.020 But I did want to say

00:42:32.720 something incredibly

00:42:34.140 positive.

00:42:35.820 Did you see this story,

00:42:37.200 Buck?

00:42:37.540 You no longer have to take

00:42:39.400 your shoes off to go

00:42:41.280 through a TSA line.

00:42:44.100 Now, I love to see it.

00:42:46.340 I only got TSA pre-checked

00:42:48.100 like whatever.

00:42:48.920 Ali, producer Ali, you made

00:42:50.940 me do it because I had never

00:42:52.100 done it.

00:42:52.840 We couldn't believe you

00:42:53.900 didn't have pre-checked.

00:42:54.920 That was a true shocker.

00:42:56.800 It is true.

00:42:57.760 I had not done it.

00:42:58.980 My last book came out.

00:43:00.620 They were like, you need to

00:43:01.400 do it.

00:43:01.820 It is better.

00:43:03.120 I'll be honest with you.

00:43:04.380 Some airports, the pre-checked

00:43:05.940 line is now longer than the

00:43:07.500 regular line.

00:43:09.000 Like when I flew back from

00:43:11.320 Florida recently, every time

00:43:14.120 I go into my Florida airport,

00:43:15.900 the line is longer to go

00:43:17.520 through pre-checked than it

00:43:18.620 is to go through standard.

00:43:20.120 And that sometimes happens at

00:43:21.920 lots of different airports out

00:43:23.240 there across the country.

00:43:25.520 But would you agree with me

00:43:28.000 that it was almost universally

00:43:30.640 hated that you had to take

00:43:33.080 your shoes off?

00:43:34.080 And it was one of the things

00:43:35.360 that any government employee

00:43:37.320 would make you do that

00:43:39.020 regardless of how you vote,

00:43:41.000 everybody was like, this is 0.97

00:43:42.120 absurd and ridiculous. 0.98

00:43:43.880 Yeah, it was degrading and it 1.00

00:43:46.620 felt preposterous.

00:43:47.240 It was preposterous and the

00:43:49.840 whole thing to me was always

00:43:52.280 look, a lot of the TSA stuff

00:43:53.780 is theater and there was a lot

00:43:55.200 of TSA, a lot of things that

00:43:58.540 TSA have done and we're doing

00:44:00.100 reminds me of the way that

00:44:01.560 COVID was handled on some level

00:44:03.040 like we're just going to do

00:44:04.160 things so that people think

00:44:05.300 that we're doing things.

00:44:06.120 But the people I always felt

00:44:08.380 bad for weren't just the

00:44:09.900 I have to remove my shoes

00:44:11.220 people.

00:44:12.240 Clay, it was the people who

00:44:13.920 weren't wearing socks.

00:44:15.720 That's I was off.

00:44:16.880 That just feels that just

00:44:18.360 feels icky.

00:44:19.240 You know, you have to kick off

00:44:20.640 your your Birkenstocks with

00:44:22.580 no socks and you got to walk

00:44:23.960 on those gross airport

00:44:25.720 floors.

00:44:26.280 When do you think the last time

00:44:27.120 was the TSA line floor was

00:44:29.020 mopped up?

00:44:29.680 I think it's been a while.

00:44:31.260 And look, this is how you beat

00:44:32.760 viruses.

00:44:34.060 You got to expose yourself to

00:44:35.880 the to the grit and grime.

00:44:37.420 This is why you bare feet

00:44:38.760 people.

00:44:40.020 I think we live longer

00:44:41.160 because we are more

00:44:42.900 attuned with like fighting

00:44:45.060 off viruses because we just

00:44:47.500 walk around with bare feet.

00:44:48.580 We're exposing ourselves all

00:44:49.720 the time in all seriousness.

00:44:51.360 This is one of the stories

00:44:52.600 they say about why allergies

00:44:53.920 have gotten so bad.

00:44:54.760 Have you read some of these

00:44:55.780 theories that the reason why

00:44:58.180 kids today are allergic to

00:45:00.600 so much more every generation

00:45:02.640 is allergic to more is

00:45:04.040 actually because we live in

00:45:06.400 such sterile, clean

00:45:07.840 environments that kids

00:45:10.040 today are not coming into

00:45:12.160 contact with the same amount

00:45:14.500 of antigens ish, for lack of

00:45:17.440 a better term, that they

00:45:18.340 would have before.

00:45:20.240 And so that's one reason.

00:45:21.500 I think pathogens, pathogens,

00:45:23.460 right?

00:45:23.820 Antigens, pathogens.

00:45:25.560 I don't know.

00:45:25.960 Maybe it's antigens.

00:45:27.440 Are they are they just two

00:45:28.940 different types of the same

00:45:29.900 thing?

00:45:30.480 I'm not the science.

00:45:31.800 No, you're right.

00:45:32.520 Antigen, a toxic or other

00:45:33.780 foreign substance with which

00:45:35.120 induces an immune response.

00:45:36.200 You're right.

00:45:36.500 Antigen, not pathogen.

00:45:37.600 Sorry.

00:45:37.960 You keep going.

00:45:38.980 Well, now you got me

00:45:39.680 confused because I'm like,

00:45:40.580 what's the difference between

00:45:41.480 an antigen and a pathogen?

00:45:42.920 But but I do think like

00:45:45.180 every kid, every generation

00:45:48.600 of kids has gotten way more

00:45:50.400 allergic to peanuts, for

00:45:51.580 instance.

00:45:51.880 Right.

00:45:52.120 Like they don't even have

00:45:52.840 peanuts on airplanes now.

00:45:54.880 Yeah.

00:45:55.120 So a pathogen is a disease

00:45:57.360 causing organism, bacteria,

00:45:59.040 virus, fungus.

00:46:00.240 An antigen is just a thing

00:46:03.780 that triggers an immune

00:46:05.080 response.

00:46:05.620 So antigen is actually the

00:46:07.020 more proper.

00:46:07.960 There you go, Mr.

00:46:09.060 Clay.

00:46:09.600 There you go.

00:46:10.380 Our hat to you, sir.

00:46:11.760 And everybody just got

00:46:13.060 better at SAT vocab out

00:46:14.980 there.

00:46:15.180 Who's out for school for the

00:46:16.280 summer.

00:46:16.640 You should be able to get

00:46:17.480 that correct now.

00:46:18.560 But, you know, used to be

00:46:20.640 in like 1980.

00:46:22.480 Nobody had by and large

00:46:24.400 peanut allergies.

00:46:25.580 And now we sit here in

00:46:26.780 2025, 45 years later, and

00:46:29.020 they can't even pass out

00:46:30.140 peanuts on airplanes

00:46:31.140 anymore because there might

00:46:33.060 be an allergy there.

00:46:33.880 How does that happen?

00:46:35.180 Well, I think it's frankly

00:46:36.380 because we're not exposing

00:46:38.060 kids to to these these

00:46:40.900 antigens.

00:46:41.480 But on the larger

00:46:44.640 context here.

00:46:45.540 I think TSA is and I know

00:46:51.220 a lot of you are TSA agents

00:46:52.960 because I meet a lot of

00:46:54.100 TSA agents going in and

00:46:55.540 out of airports that listen

00:46:57.540 to the show and or consume

00:46:59.140 the kind we go through to

00:47:00.480 get on airplanes and taking

00:47:02.600 off your shoes and taking

00:47:04.360 your laptop out of your bag

00:47:06.400 and things like that.

00:47:08.620 And now you have to have the

00:47:10.020 real ID to fly.

00:47:12.140 None of it feels to me like

00:47:14.160 it's making us very much

00:47:16.040 safer.

00:47:16.880 And I think many people

00:47:18.680 have always seen I know I

00:47:20.860 was I remember the shoe

00:47:22.220 bomber, whatever his name

00:47:23.240 was, Richard Reed, Richard

00:47:25.320 Reed back in the day, tried

00:47:27.080 to light his shoes on fire on

00:47:29.160 a flight, I think, from

00:47:30.200 Europe to the United States,

00:47:32.280 if I remember correctly.

00:47:33.720 And but I just feel like all

00:47:36.580 of that kind of conspired to

00:47:40.220 make people trust the larger

00:47:42.340 security apparatus less

00:47:44.100 instead of more.

00:47:45.280 And the data actually

00:47:47.240 reflects people get through

00:47:49.520 with weapons all the time.

00:47:52.540 You know, when they do the

00:47:53.640 tests on a like I've got an

00:47:55.820 actual an actual gun, which

00:47:57.920 you would think like, hey,

00:47:59.420 maybe your nail clippers, we

00:48:00.860 don't need to worry about so

00:48:01.920 much, but an actual gun, let's

00:48:03.940 try to stop that from

00:48:04.660 happening.

00:48:05.340 They still get through and

00:48:07.680 actually scary amount of time,

00:48:10.220 even with existing TSA.

00:48:13.480 Yes, this is true.

00:48:15.120 So I don't know what the

00:48:16.620 long range solution is here

00:48:18.640 long term, but I do feel like

00:48:20.240 this is an improvement and on

00:48:21.540 a positive level, I think it

00:48:23.560 will probably cut lines by a

00:48:27.120 quarter or a third because

00:48:29.220 everything will just be way

00:48:30.740 more efficient without having

00:48:32.340 to make people take their

00:48:33.480 shoes off and walk through and

00:48:36.920 wait for it and everything

00:48:38.320 else.

00:48:38.660 Not to interrupt our shoe

00:48:40.860 security discussion, but we

00:48:42.620 will have now we've been

00:48:43.780 conferred.

00:48:44.340 It's been confirmed by his

00:48:45.320 team.

00:48:45.700 The energy secretary will join

00:48:47.140 us at two o'clock because he

00:48:48.920 just got out of the rather

00:48:50.520 lengthy Trump cabinet meeting,

00:48:53.320 which covered a lot of ground,

00:48:55.960 which we're bringing you the

00:48:56.980 highlights of it.

00:48:58.220 I think we're doing a great

00:48:58.900 service by bringing you the

00:48:59.740 highlights because otherwise

00:49:00.580 you have to spend most of your

00:49:01.540 day listening to the entirety

00:49:03.080 of the Trump cabinet meeting.

00:49:04.520 So we will have the energy

00:49:06.240 secretary, which will be an

00:49:07.360 exciting discussion and you

00:49:09.460 don't have to take your shoes

00:49:10.760 off anymore now in the normal

00:49:12.580 line.

00:49:13.480 And yes, it is true, Clay,

00:49:14.920 that sometimes the TSA pre

00:49:18.020 line is, in fact, worse than

00:49:20.020 the just I'm a person who wants

00:49:21.420 to fly line.

00:49:22.760 So you got to you got to pick

00:49:24.460 your you got to pick your line

00:49:25.700 here in Miami, which I will say

00:49:27.420 is one of the worst airports in

00:49:28.700 America for any city.

00:49:30.700 I think it's probably a top five

00:49:32.280 worst airports.

00:49:33.180 One of the few things about

00:49:33.980 Miami that I really it's just a

00:49:37.500 big, big L, big loss is the

00:49:40.620 airport here.

00:49:41.300 And there's many different

00:49:42.380 airport is a disaster.

00:49:44.640 It's a disaster.

00:49:45.660 It's a terrible airport.

00:49:47.080 And the city of Miami needs to

00:49:48.520 figure out.

00:49:49.380 And let me say this to Fort

00:49:51.100 Lauderdale better, I think, in

00:49:53.680 terms of getting able to get in

00:49:54.980 and out.

00:49:55.680 Also, an awful airport.

00:49:57.640 Palm Beach Airport is the one you

00:49:59.600 want to go to.

00:50:00.260 If you're looking for a nice

00:50:01.100 airport around here, you know,

00:50:02.720 there's like a string quartet

00:50:04.040 playing when you land.

00:50:05.500 There's a butler's named Jeeves

00:50:07.600 who are hanging who are handing

00:50:08.920 out little little nibbles of

00:50:10.480 caviar, very civilized in the

00:50:12.500 Palm Beach Airport.

00:50:14.040 But Miami, you know, you can get

00:50:16.560 some some Cuban coffee, but the

00:50:20.000 airport itself is not good.

00:50:22.080 Miami, it seems like it was

00:50:23.960 designed, the airport, to make

00:50:25.880 you have to walk the longest,

00:50:28.120 longest possible distance at all

00:50:29.640 times.

00:50:29.960 Yes.

00:50:30.600 And it has the worst.

00:50:31.460 It has the worst food, the worst

00:50:32.740 design.

00:50:33.560 It looks like it, you know, is

00:50:35.020 a 1970s time warp.

00:50:37.440 So, yeah, if you have a good

00:50:38.740 airport, lucky.

00:50:39.640 I saw actually a ranking of the

00:50:40.840 best airports.

00:50:41.500 I saw this.

00:50:42.280 The Washington Post ranked them.

00:50:43.600 Do you have an airport you fly

00:50:44.980 into and you're like, man, this

00:50:46.320 is a good.

00:50:46.820 Now, some airports are tiny and I

00:50:48.740 don't count those like, you

00:50:50.220 know, I've learned a terminal, I

00:50:52.100 will say, is pretty impressive

00:50:53.480 now.

00:50:53.900 You can't throw any shade at it.

00:50:56.220 LaGuardia used to be like a

00:50:57.900 Greyhound bus terminal.

00:50:59.220 I hated going there.

00:51:00.660 It's really nice now.

00:51:02.440 Nashville has done a good job on,

00:51:04.600 I think, redoing much of it.

00:51:06.760 Yeah, very civilized.

00:51:07.140 You guys have a good air.

00:51:07.900 Yeah, it's a it's a pretty good

00:51:09.140 airport.

00:51:09.680 I actually think national airport

00:51:13.040 is the best.

00:51:14.580 Very nice.

00:51:15.040 In D.C.

00:51:15.840 In terms of proximity to being able

00:51:17.860 to get in and out of the city.

00:51:19.860 I actually think national is one

00:51:21.600 of the best.

00:51:22.840 This would be I mean, I feel like

00:51:24.280 I've been to almost every major

00:51:26.260 airport at some point in time.

00:51:28.380 And I'll tell you, Salt Lake City

00:51:30.180 has a great airport.

00:51:32.740 I'm trying to think of the other

00:51:33.900 ones that I've been to recently

00:51:35.360 where now some cities have multiple

00:51:36.920 airports.

00:51:37.620 So that can get a little bit

00:51:38.900 complicated.

00:51:40.100 Denver's airports in the middle of

00:51:41.460 nowhere.

00:51:42.000 It's actually a very nice airport

00:51:43.680 when you actually get there.

00:51:46.340 Dulles is generally I see.

00:51:48.320 Oh, oh, hair.

00:51:49.380 I know gets a lot of hate.

00:51:50.760 I know hair gets a ton of

00:51:51.920 Dulles.

00:51:52.440 If they make you get on like a

00:51:53.900 people mover to get to the

00:51:55.300 terminals like Dulles, you have to

00:51:57.200 get on the people mover.

00:51:58.760 Orlando, not very well designed.

00:52:00.900 You have to get on the people

00:52:01.700 movers.

00:52:02.740 Vegas, a lot of top Vegas is 0.58

00:52:04.220 oh, Vegas is ugly.

00:52:06.880 Not surprising, but pretty 0.64

00:52:09.020 depressing airport.

00:52:10.160 I think Portland has, according

00:52:11.400 to the post, had a very nice

00:52:13.100 airport.

00:52:13.940 We got Trump weighing in here on

00:52:16.140 you see that that's a hard turn

00:52:17.500 back into the news.

00:52:18.460 That's how we roll here.

00:52:19.540 We got Trump weighing in on the

00:52:21.380 Putin situation from Portland to

00:52:23.720 Putin.

00:52:24.200 We cover all the ground here.

00:52:25.860 This is cut 32.

00:52:26.960 You can tell Trump is getting

00:52:28.700 very frustrated with the leader

00:52:31.300 of Russia.

00:52:32.340 Listen to this one.

00:52:33.020 Play it.

00:52:33.280 That was a war that should have 1.00

00:52:34.700 never happened and a lot of

00:52:36.060 people are dying and it should

00:52:37.680 end and I don't know.

00:52:38.980 We get we get we get a lot of

00:52:40.640 vote thrown at us by Putin for

00:52:42.640 you want to know the truth.

00:52:43.860 He's very nice all the time, but

00:52:45.520 it turns out to be meaningless.

00:52:47.760 Do you want to say that?

00:52:48.840 He wants to grab as a sanctions

00:52:50.220 bill on Russia.

00:52:51.160 Do you want him to move?

00:52:51.860 I'm looking at it.

00:52:52.700 Yeah, no, I'm looking.

00:52:53.640 The Senate is passing and

00:52:55.320 passed a very, very tough

00:52:56.940 sanctions, but yeah, I'm looking

00:52:58.280 at it.

00:52:59.000 It's an optional bill.

00:53:00.820 It's totally at my option.

00:53:02.160 They passed it totally at my

00:53:03.480 option and to terminate totally

00:53:05.180 at my option.

00:53:06.060 And I'm looking at it very

00:53:07.240 strongly.

00:53:08.680 The plan so far with Russia to

00:53:11.060 stop this bloodshed in Ukraine,

00:53:13.280 Clay, has not worked.

00:53:14.980 So Trump is now looking at the

00:53:17.420 pressure points that he can use

00:53:19.600 and the alternatives to get

00:53:21.380 Putin to stop.

00:53:23.220 But it's been going in the other

00:53:24.260 direction.

00:53:25.220 Are we still have they given up

00:53:26.900 on the Trump is a Russian asset 0.86

00:53:28.600 or is this still something they

00:53:30.320 say on the left now?

00:53:32.240 You don't hear it as much.

00:53:33.840 You don't hear it as much because

00:53:34.700 he's probably still pretty

00:53:35.600 critical of Putin in the first

00:53:37.480 six months.

00:53:38.180 And now he's like I had the readout

00:53:41.380 on Zelensky and the resources

00:53:43.300 we're giving is that Trump's

00:53:44.760 relationship with Zelensky is on

00:53:46.480 a better ground than his

00:53:47.560 relationship with Putin members

00:53:48.860 only in February where we had the

00:53:51.100 blow up in the Oval Office and

00:53:53.080 everybody was convinced, oh, this

00:53:54.560 is Manchurian candidate Trump.

00:53:56.240 I just I can't keep up with who

00:53:57.940 exactly Trump is an asset of.

00:53:59.700 So I just I'm curious what the

00:54:01.480 latest is on left wing swamp

00:54:04.020 fever dreams.

00:54:06.280 Yeah, I'll we'll get we'll bring

00:54:08.120 in more of this here momentarily.

00:54:10.320 And then also we got the energy

00:54:11.340 secretary coming up here at the

00:54:12.720 top talk about how we're going to

00:54:14.660 be I assume there's going to be a

00:54:16.120 lot of drill baby drill going on. 0.85

00:54:17.820 And that's a good thing.

00:54:18.920 We want those fossil fuels.

00:54:20.360 We want the actual and we want

00:54:22.080 nuclear.

00:54:22.680 We want some things that actually

00:54:24.780 work a little less focus on on

00:54:26.920 windmills and, you know, the

00:54:30.620 ridiculousness of the Green New 0.95

00:54:32.720 Deal. 0.85

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