BONUS： Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Jun 10 2025
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Summary
On this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the guys discuss the recent anti-ICE riots in Los Angeles and how the Trump administration is handling the situation. They also discuss the impact of the ICE raids on the streets of Minneapolis and St. Louis, and the lessons they have learned from the response in the summer of 2020.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.
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Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now.
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Unlike during the inauguration, it is absolutely perfect weather here.
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So I am not clearing the icicles from my nose and my eyes this time.
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We're also excited to be setting up some pretty important interviews and sit-downs and chats
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with the people who make this town run and this White House, which is doing a phenomenal job.
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Clay, you're going to have to make sure that I don't go over too much of the territory
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when I was on a flight yesterday that you cover with these L.A. riots.
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Marines, 700 Marines ordered to assist in Los Angeles.
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We've got Mayor Adams of New York City saying that there are anti-ice riots in L.A.
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that would be totally unacceptable in New York.
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When you've seen some other places, Austin, Tampa, where there are reports of some gatherings beginning.
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The right to protest, obviously protected under the First Amendment.
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The right to loot a footlocker or a CVS or whatever is not, in fact, covered under the First Amendment.
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And this whole fight over illegal immigration enforcement is absolutely critical for the administration.
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And, Clay, I'm happy to see so far they are taking the law and order perspective
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and not backing down one inch because this is setting a tone for the rest of the four years as well.
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Yeah, what I was talking about yesterday is I do think this is a really concrete difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0.
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And you remember very well, everyone out there does, in the summer of 2020, the entire nation came unglued.
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And I think a big part of that was Tim Walz, governor of Minnesota, refusing to call out the National Guard in time to bring peace to Minneapolis.
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And then what happened in Minneapolis skyrocketed, spiraled everywhere.
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And for many people, it was the end of the COVID restrictions, as you well remember,
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because Dr. Anthony Fauci suddenly came out after telling people that they couldn't be in any groups at all
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and said, well, hundreds of thousands of people can actually come out in the streets in March.
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And many people said, wait a minute, you were telling us that we couldn't go to kids, couldn't go to school.
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We couldn't have non-essential, remember that phrase, non-essential businesses open.
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And suddenly you decide that everybody should be able to go out in March in the summer of 2020.
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And I think in retrospect, Trump wishes that he had called out the National Guard in Minnesota
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And so I think this is Trump 2.0 saying, we're not going to allow these protests to flourish and take root like we did in 2020.
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Also, the difference being it's not an election year, which means that whatever the impact is of the Trump response
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is not immediately going to the ballot box, which is why I think they were apprehensive
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and I think, quite frankly, slow on dealing with those riots back in 2020.
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So this is Trump saying, I learned from the first term, we're not going to have this happen.
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That was one of the biggest mistakes, I would argue, in the Trump first term, was people often talk about Fauci.
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Look, very hard in that moment to understand all the implications of the CDC
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And I mean, I remember I spoke to Trump in, I've told you about this, I've talked to the audience about this,
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May of 2020, I talked to you about all this, and he said, look, we're going to leave this to the states.
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There was a lot that was unknown then. Looting and rioting, we knew that was bad.
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And there was a period where there was not nearly a firm enough response in 2020.
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I think that that was a lesson learned for the administration.
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I think this time around they are showing that it's very easy to draw this line here.
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Yes, you want to gather lawfully and protest. That's great. That's America.
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The moment you start blocking highways, throwing rocks at cops, breaking into stores, stealing things,
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you are in violation of a number of statutes, and the laws still apply to you no matter how upset you are.
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On this issue of illegal immigration, it's interesting, Clay, I've seen a shift in the conversation on the right
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from what about the big beautiful bill to this is an all or nothing issue, meaning we either enforce sovereignty
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and begin to deport some of the 10 million that Biden brought in or nothing else matters.
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I agree with that. I think if we don't establish secure borders and interior enforcement,
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we just have a de facto open border and all the implications of this.
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I mean, what you're seeing in Southern California, the massive expense that is borne,
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not just by the taxpayers of California, but by the federal taxpayer as well.
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There's all this money that is funneled from federal dollars to Medi-Cal,
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which is like California's version of Medicare, you know, Medicaid, rather, Medi-Cal,
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and the apportionment issue with members of Congress, you have far more Democrat members of Congress.
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The estimates, I think it's a couple of dozen nationwide.
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15 to 20 at least. And this is important, I think.
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I don't think a lot of audience even understands this because I didn't know it.
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Illegal immigrants get counted for purposes of congressional districts.
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So when you say roughly 700,000 people are being represented,
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if there are 20 million illegals, that is helping Democrats because they're overwhelmingly clustered
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in sanctuary cities, and otherwise there would be less Democrat representatives.
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Enormously important. And it also is a reminder to everybody, as we'll talk,
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we'll go deep into the law and order aspects of all this and why it's so important that Trump
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is following through. The administration has to see this through.
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This is just the beginning of it, too. But, Clay, this is something, what happens in Los Angeles,
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I think there had been an idea that a lot of people had, oh, that's not really my problem.
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You know, I live in Nebraska. That's not really my problem.
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I live in a nice red state. You know, I live in South Carolina.
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And so if California wants to have two or three, I'm sorry, Los Angeles County alone wants to have
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two or three million illegals in it. That's their problem. No, it's actually your problem in South
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Carolina, too. It's a problem for the whole country. It's a problem because of the balance
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of power that it is affected by with Congress. And it's a problem because the whole point here
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that the Democrats are pursuing is to make sure that there's a pathway to voting, not just
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citizenship, voting for all the illegals who have come here, which would make a de facto one-party
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state. So this is everybody's issue. The days where we would tell ourselves, oh, it's just
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a blue state, red state thing. I think that has passed. I think everyone understands Biden
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let in 10 million plus illegals on purpose. People keep telling me, I don't know. No one
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knows. No one knows. I mean, the administration doesn't know. This one doesn't know what the
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full number that came in under Biden is because it was so out of control that it's impossible
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to tabulate. We just know that it's officially at least 10 million. That's a massive state of
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illegals that have been added to the U.S. tally. Totally. I mean, it's more than the people
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who live in, I think it's all but like 15 states. I mean, the population of the state
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of Tennessee where I live, I believe, is around 7 million. So more than the state of Tennessee
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has been let in in four years just in illegals. And also keep in mind, there's now some focus
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on the Reagan amnesty, which I've talked about here on the show back in 1986, what happened.
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Probably the worst thing that Reagan did as president, unfortunately. Reagan did great
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things, defeated communism, defeated the Soviet Union. But that was bad. And it was much worse
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than I think anybody, even Republicans at that time, realized because not only was the amnesty
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far larger than it was supposed to be. We're signing this law, right? This is back in 1986.
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And we're going back now 40 years. We're signing this and we're going to get border security.
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And what you got was an amnesty several times larger, millions of people larger than what
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they thought it would be because the way the courts went and, you know, everyone was trying
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to be covered under that amnesty. They were hearing challenges, I think, into the early 2000s.
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So think about that. In 1986 amnesty, there are people in like 1999 who are saying, I'm
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covered under that too. And then it was a massive incentive for more illegal immigration for the
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years and years to come. Can you think about it this time around? If we just said, you know
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what, we'll take the 10 million who came under Biden. Does any serious person believe that
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there'd be the political will to stop the next 10 million from coming the next time there's
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a Democrat administration? No, if anything, it would just become a political inevitability.
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It would be codified that there'd be another 10 million coming. And our immigration laws are just
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a joke. Well, that's why whatever Trump does, they have set in place two different diametrically
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opposed systems. One is if you come, you are allowed in with virtually no court oversight.
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It's going to take years for your hearings. And in the meantime, you get to live here. And the second
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part is if you're trying to deport, you have to have massive court hearings. And it's going to take
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a substantial amount of effort to get that done. So I think they are gaming the system because
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they're applying two different rules. Let me also mention this too, as the LA riot continues four
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days and we see the Apple stores getting rioted. And unfortunately, I saw a jewelry store owner
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interviewed and we'll play some of that for you throughout the course of the program. In fact,
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at 1230, so in about 20 minutes from now, we're going to talk with Steve Hilton, who's running
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for governor. He was out on the streets of Los Angeles last night, what he sees and is experiencing
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there, what he saw with his own eyes. I think that this is another impact of Elon Musk buying Twitter
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because when Maxine Waters and other Democrats are coming out, I saw another Democrat congresswoman say,
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well, this is not much different than a sports celebration when a team wins a title.
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And then you juxtapose those videos side by side. It is that we talked about yesterday. I want to get
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your read on this at some point. But when you've got cops with cars burning and you've got the video
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of the bricks being thrown at them, it's hard to argue. It's a mostly peaceful protest. I think that
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the fairness of X to allow the full scope of what's truly going on to be seen makes the lies more
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readily apparent. Also, the videos and the photos, which I was consuming just as you were all weekend
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long and yesterday on the flight up here as I was doing research for today's show, Clay, the notion
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that you would, as a person who claims to have a right to be in America, you would be standing
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around burning cars and holding, holding up the flag of a foreign nation.
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That is a person who does not belong here, who does not deserve to be here. And I'm not even
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getting into the legal status that they may or may not have. But you clearly do not have the kind of
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love and allegiance for this country and for the rule of law that we want for the American people.
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It is also shown, and we'll get into this, the data very clearly so far supports what Trump is doing
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as a matter of public opinion. Let me say, if there was 80-20 against Trump on this, I don't care.
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This is a rule of law issue, but it's not. In fact, Trump is operating with a majority support of the
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American people. And the more of this that we see, the burning cars, the rioting, the looting, the madness
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on the streets and people waving Mexican flags. I know. And saying, I'm so American, I would wave a
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Mexican flag. Could you imagine? I mean, if I stood in front of a building that was burning in New York
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City, waving an Irish flag, first of all, the Irish people would be like, you haven't been Irish in
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hundreds of years. And second of all, they'd say, what are you doing? That has nothing to do with us.
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There's something deeper here. And specifically in Southern California, this is very, this is a very
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precarious issue because you're talking about a group of people who, unlike any other migrant group,
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really, the only migrant group we have here in large numbers that has come here illegally that can walk
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back home and sometimes do drive and go back home are people from Mexico. This is not true of people
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from Europe, from Africa, from anywhere else. And so there's something unique and uniquely
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destabilizing about individuals who think that they can have it both ways. They can maintain this
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separate Mexican identity while getting all the benefits of being in America and make demands in
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this country while actually having citizenship in another country that is right next door.
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This is something that anybody who's looking at the national security and political implications for
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this country has to reckon with that in Southern California, there is a and I know that this exists
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in some other places to different Texas, because it's a red state. But in Southern California, there is
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it look, you can see this with people going on CNN saying, well, you know, this was part of Mexico.
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I saw you say, hold on a second. This is part. This was part of Mexico was part of Mexico for like
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15 years or something. And it's been part of America for a couple of hundred. It was a Spanish colony.
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Okay. And the Spaniards aren't dancing around saying, hey, this is actually still ours.
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So it was Mexican for a short while. And then they lost that territory in a war, which is a thing
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that happens. You know, that's something that they need to just get used to. So there's a lot going on
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here that I want to continue to dive into. And Clay, I think this most important fight in the country
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right now. And I think it's more it's more important than concerns about the debt. If we lose on this,
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we lose on everything else. If we don't have a country with sovereignty and rule of law and
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than what they currently have. That is for sure. He is in L.A. right now. Steve, thanks
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for being with us. Are you out on the street? I know you've seen a lot. Just trying to give
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everybody a picture of where you are. So you're out on the streets in L.A. Bring us up to what
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you have seen up to this point, what the reality has been on the ground.
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So I mean, I've just popped in doors, so it's not so loud. The thing is very clear. It is a total
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breakdown of law and order and civilized life and civilization. It is just absolutely shocking to see
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what's been going on here. The smashed up businesses, most of them, by the way, owned by
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working class Latinos whose lives are now being completely wrecked. They're not going to get
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insurance. No one cares about that. Newsom doesn't care. Karen Bass doesn't care. All they care about
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is pandering to their far left activists. So you've got the sort of total lack of care about
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people's lives being destroyed. But in a way, the most shocking thing, and I put out a video of this
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just last night. I was walking around after they'd cleared the main riot scene and dispersed the crowd
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somewhat. And you saw the aftermath, every single surface covered in vile, disgusting graffiti.
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And there's something so shocking about the scale of it. Literally everywhere you look,
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F ICE, F Trump, by the way, F Israel a lot. So like, what's that got to do with anything that's
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going on here? That tells you the kind of people we're dealing with here. And it's just this collapse
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of standards of civilized behavior. You know perfectly well that not a single person who did
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this will be held accountable by California authorities, will be prosecuted. All of these
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things are crimes. I've spoken to DAs and sheriffs. It's very clear that what we've seen happening here,
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they're felonies. Is anyone going to be prosecuted or held accountable? No, not by California authorities.
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And so this is why we need to turn this around. This is a real moment, I think, for everyone in
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California to realize we've got to go in a different direction. We cannot have this weakness and pandering
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to the political activists instead of standing up for the decent law abiding majority.
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Western, Steve, I appreciate you coming on. And certainly if I were in California, you'd have my
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vote next year. But when you see so many people running around waving flags of foreign countries while
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they are burning down Waymo vehicles or when they are raining down Molotov cocktails onto police
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vehicles, what does it say not only about the United States and California, but also you've come from
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England where this is a global struggle for the legitimacy, it seems to me, of Western civilization.
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What you see here is happening in London. It's happening in Paris. It's happening in Rome.
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There is, in many ways, I think, an attack on the entirety of Western civilization and values.
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Do you sense that people in California feel that?
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Yes, but they don't even know it. This is the thing. Because it's now the product of years and
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years, decades, really, of creeping indoctrination in this ideology. I mean, whatever you want to call
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it, wokeism. I made a whole sort of piece on it on my Fox show. We probably discussed it, Clay.
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You know, a hundred years ago in the Frankfurt School in Germany, the Marxist philosophers,
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an all-out war on the institutions of a civilized Western society, the family, faith, all of those
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things. So this has been part of a long-burning plan. And I think because it's now so commonplace
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throughout, started obviously in academia, but now throughout the public school system and so on,
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they're not even aware that this is what they're spouting and that these values are what they're
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upholding, even if you can call them values. I mean, it's just, it's a very serious situation.
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But the good news is that we're confronting it finally, that we're standing up against it here
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in America. That's not happening in England. It's not happening anywhere else. And so that is really
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encouraging. And just as you see these appalling scenes, and I completely agree with it. It's so
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shocking. I put that in one of my videos yesterday. I was walking around in the daytime in the
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protest zone. Mexican flags everywhere, other Latin American flags flying. The best I could find
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was one young guy on the roof of his car waving. It was 50-50. It was the Mexican flag on one side,
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the stars and stripes on the other. That was the best I could find. I taped a little interview with
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him. I'll be putting it out later today. Nice kid, but completely unaware of the sort of background to
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this leftist indoctrination. But as I say, look at what's happening to fight back against it.
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Look at the success of movements, the turning point, for example, and the youth vote in the last
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election. We're not letting this go unchallenged. Steve, it's been amazing and kind of horrifying at
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the same time to see some of what these Democrat leaders, from the governor, Gavin Newsom, down to
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Mayor Bass of Los Angeles and other officials as well. Their responses to this range from the
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outrageous to the entirely incoherent. You have on the one hand, they'll say things like,
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don't be violent. That plays into Trump's hands. I don't know. I think they should be opposed to
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political violence and assaults on officers and destruction of property, regardless of what that
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will do to the poll numbers. And then beyond that, it's completely unclear what their objection
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is, or rather, I should say, I think it is clear that their objection is not to anything other than
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the enforcement of American immigration laws. There's no claim that federal authorities have
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done something that is not lawful. They just are saying, whether it's the mayor, the governor,
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or others, we don't like the enforcement of federal law. No. And you know what was completely
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right? And the thing that really illustrated that was the almost, you know, like, like, like
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revoltingly predictable way that when the first news broke of these enforcement actions, one by one
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up popped on social media, the pandering statements from everybody in charge in Los Angeles. I use that
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word advisory. Of course, they're not really in charge. One after another, up popped the statement
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saying, we at this time, we're thinking of our community, all this not blather, pandering to the
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activist left. And it was the mayor, which is totally predictable. And it was the governor, which was
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totally predictable. But shockingly, and disturbingly, it was also the police chief, and the DA, every single
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person in authority in California, putting out pandering statements, instead of saying, very clearly,
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if you break the law, you will be prosecuted, we will hold you accountable, and we will not tolerate
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lawlessness and disorder. None that nobody said anything like that. It was all pandering to the left.
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And that tells you the rot that's gone on for so long in California. And that's what we need to change.
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And the majority of people understand now what's really going on here, that we have people who are,
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as I say, not really in charge, but the people at the top who have no interest in protecting the
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interests of the majority of regular working people who are just being let down all the time by this
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far left ideology. Steve, this is not standing alone either. January 31st, I think it took several
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weeks you'll know better than me to put out the fires that were burning all over Los Angeles. I'm
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not an expert in arson, but thankfully, lighting things on fire intentionally in Los Angeles seems
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like a bad idea, given the history that we just went through. But also, to me, there's a connecting
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thread here. And it is of Mayor Karen Bass, and also Governor Gavin Newsom, being unable to make
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rational, reasonable decisions for the people of Los Angeles and the people of California.
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Buck and I have talked about this a lot. Buck lived through it in New York City. Things got so bad
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that people finally said, we need law and order. We need Rudy Giuliani, Mayor Bloomberg. They fixed New
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York City in many ways, and they had to do it from an outsider perspective. Do you think that's what
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you could bring? And are Californians, are things getting bad enough where Californians say,
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we can't keep doing the same one-party decision-making? Yes, that is 100% the central
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argument. We can't, that I make it, we cannot go on like this. And you can, look, it's all of a
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piece. The fires, of course, and there's a similar pattern here, right, which is that the extremist
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policies cause the problem. So with the fires, it was the environmental extremism that meant that you
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have this tinderbox situation. They didn't clear the brush. They didn't do anything. You've got
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residents were fined for protecting their own property by clearing the brush. So they have
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the extremist policies that cause the problem. And then their response to the problem is totally
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incompetent. And then they just lash around blaming someone else. Similar pattern here.
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It was their extremist policies that caused this problem. The sanctuary, remember, it's the sanctuary
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state policies that caused this whole situation, because there's no cooperation with federal
00:26:54.960
immigration enforcement and law enforcement, which means that these kinds of enforcement actions
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are necessary. You don't see this in other states where you've got cooperation between the feds and
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state and local authorities. So they cause the problem in the first place. Their response is
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completely incompetent and inadequate. And then they blame someone else in this case, obviously Trump.
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But there's another point I want to make, which is, which is about the pattern. Just a couple of
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weekends ago in Los Angeles, you saw very similar scenes to what we've just witnessed this last past few
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days. On a smaller scale, you had an illegal party, the roof party that got out of control,
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the warehouse building, hundreds of people spilling out into the local community, marauding around,
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smashing up businesses, vandalism everywhere, literally setting cars on fire. They commandeered a
00:27:41.860
police car, jumping all over it, graffiting the police car. What did the LAPD do? Nothing,
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literally nothing. They stood back and just watched while all this happened. There was not a single
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arrest. That's what's the problem here. You have people who will not enforce the law and uphold
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standards of civilized behavior, which is the first responsibility of people in government. And
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that message I'm drumming home loud and clear. And I think there really will be change in California
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in 2026 because we cannot go on like this. Steve, real quick before we go, is it dying down or is
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there a concern here that this could continue or maybe even worsen? I think it is. And I think
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the president is dying down and that's good to see. And I think it's the direct result of the
00:28:28.600
president's tough response because you, I mean, everywhere you go is the National Guard holding
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the line. And so I think that that has clearly made a difference. And last night was better than the
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weekend. And, you know, let's hope tonight is better. It's early morning here still. So there's
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not nothing going on particularly. But I think that it looks like things are getting more under
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control. And of course, that's something we welcome. But it's exactly, I think, thanks to the tough
00:28:57.560
federal response, which, of course, all the politicians here, that's there. I mean, for goodness sake,
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the governor of California spending his most of his time yesterday, you know, posting on X,
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you know, anti-Trump trolling things and filing lawsuits instead of protecting.
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It's madness. Madness. Yeah. He apparently he has neither read nor understood the Constitution,
00:29:16.820
Steve, but that's that's not news. We're aware of that one. Steve Hilton, what is your site for
00:29:21.440
the governor's race? Steve Hilton for governor dot com. F.O.R. Steve Hilton for governor dot com.
00:29:27.780
Well, we encourage everybody in California who wants things to change to go to Steve Hilton for
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California dot com. Keep up the good work. And sorry. Yeah. For governor.
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And stay safe out there. Fantastic. Great to be with you guys. Thanks.
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us and we are going to do a deep dive on spending, the bill, what should happen from his perspective
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and where we are headed. So for people out there that really want to dive into some of the nitty
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gritty about the economic policies in place, we wanted to bring you in because I would say you and
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Rand Paul, Senator, I think it's fair to say, are probably at the forefront of we are spending way
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too much money. And your argument has been that essentially, and you correct me if I'm wrong on
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any of this, but I'm trying to lay it out and then let you make the case. Essentially, we have embedded
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the government spending that started with COVID that accelerated at a rapid level as the default
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basis for budgets going forward. Instead of, for instance, after World War II, drastically dialing
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back spending, we have allowed that spending process to become the basis upon which all budget
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bills since COVID have been crafted. Is that correct? How do we fix it if it is correct?
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Well, first of all, welcome to this alternate universe.
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You know, we both were former residents here. So we're like reformed swamp creatures.
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You're smart enough to move out and I come here part time. But no, I mean, you stated the
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case pretty well. We spent $4.4 trillion in 2019. Pandemic hits, spent $6.5 trillion and
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we never looked back. And I've probably said this on the show, I don't know of American
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family, if they got ill, somebody got ill, they had to borrow $50,000, pay for medical
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bills. If they got well the next year, they wouldn't keep borrowing $50,000 and keep spending
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at that level. That's exactly what we've done. So 4.4, this year we'll spend over $7 trillion.
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That's a 58% increase. Next year about 7.3. And I know these are a lot of numbers, but that's
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why I do charts. Yep. And you know, what's, what's kind of depressing about my charts is
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it lays out a pretty depressing reality. Let me throw some more numbers. Under the Bush
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administration, eight years, they averaged deficits of $250 billion a year. Obama came
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in his first four years, $1.3 trillion. I mean, that sparked the Tea Party movement.
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That's why I came into town. The Tea Party movement had an impact. And those deficits in
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his last term were $550 billion. Trump comes into office, had to do deals with Democrats,
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his average deficit was $810. Then COVID hit. One year, $3.1 trillion deficit. And again,
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with responsible leaders like we had in World War II, okay, pandemic's over, time to return
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to pre-pandemic levels. It's not what Biden did. Biden continued to spend, again, this year
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about $7 trillion. His average deficit for four years was $1.9 trillion.
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Okay, wait. So let's, let's jump in right there. Because I think that's very important.
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And we have the charts to work with, but all of our people all across the country are,
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they're trying to visualize these numbers as we go. Where, yeah, he's holding it up. I
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wish we had, oh, we could have some of the, they're really small. Yeah. But tell me this,
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where is the additional money going? Because here's what happens every time we talk about
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cutting. And I also have to bring up some of the objections to the objections to the big,
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beautiful bill. And I want you to address those in a second. But first, anytime we talk about
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cutting, we could light up the phones for three hours straight here. How dare you? You want to
00:34:51.540
touch my social security? How dare you? You want to touch my Medicare? Well, hold on a second.
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If those things weren't being touched at $800 billion or a trillion a year, what, where's the
00:35:01.620
extra trillion dollars, give or take, that now is the post-pandemic spending norm? What's that money
00:35:07.700
going? It's literally across the board. And that's where I've laid out with my pre-pandemic levels of
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spending, that analysis where you take actual total outlays, you exclude social security,
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Medicare and interest, spend what you need to spend. And then you plus up all those other outlays by
00:35:21.880
population growth inflation. And if you do that for 2019, for example, this year, you'd be spending
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6.5 versus the seven. You know, if you go back to Clinton or Obama, you'd be spending 5.5 to 6.2.
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Okay. So again, it's across the board, which is why one of the solutions is we need to forensically
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audit every line, every program like Doge has done. Okay. So you're telling me then that there
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is, you know, of, of that spending increase, if it's coming from these, is it not, and you're not
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going to touch, it sounds to me like you wouldn't touch the non-discretionary spending, right?
00:35:57.060
Because that's, that's, you're taking Medicare, social security and interest. You say that's right.
00:36:00.600
That's part of mandatory, but you also have Medicaid and we've got to fix the Obamacare
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portion of that. Get a trillion dollars of other mandatory spending, which is what I
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mean. Where's that other trillion dollars? That's it's, it's Medicaid and then just everything
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else. So what they've done over years without, because nobody knows they're doing this because
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you have these omnibus spending bills and just magically they move discretionary spending
00:36:22.860
into the mandatory accounts. So during COVID that other mandatory, not social security, Medicare
00:36:28.500
or even Medicaid, I think went up, topped out about $2.2 trillion. In 2019, it was $642
00:36:34.820
billion, went to $2.2. It's been ramping down. Last year, I think it was $1.3 trillion.
00:36:39.620
This year it'd be about a trillion. That's a trillion dollars. I mean, discretionary spending
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You were a business guy. Trump was, and still is in many ways, a business guy. When you say
00:36:48.520
this to him, what does he say? Because he wants this thing passed with, with gusto. He wants
00:36:53.200
this big, beautiful bill. He believes, I'm sure you, you've talked about these numbers,
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right? I'm sure. I was in the White House last Wednesday and when my time to talk, I pulled out
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my chart and said, by the way, I've seen your last 10 appearances. You're too negative, Ron.
00:37:09.660
One of your charts saved the president's life. So this is a different chart than actually saved
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his life. So one chart saved the president's life. I'm hoping this one saves America.
00:37:21.240
Okay. So he says what? Because the argument here is that they would like to get this bill
00:37:28.540
passed by July 4th on the Senate side. It's already passed the House side. Where are we?
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Do you think that's likely? How does this get reconciled? How does the Senate, because it's
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not just you, it's Rand Paul, it's others that have this perspective too, not a huge majority.
00:37:46.940
So again, just so he told me I was being too negative and I took that to heart. I have been
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pretty hard. You're generally a very jolly fellow, I will say. I got a smile on my face. Okay, but
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you got to lay out the reality. So I had a great meeting just a couple hours ago with Vice President
00:37:59.340
Vance and Kevin Hassett. And that was kind of what we arranged the White House. Okay, let's,
00:38:03.880
let's get on the same page. You know, I worked all weekend long. I wrote this report myself. These are
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all my own charts. I'm the accountant here, right? But we're going to let Kevin Hassett and his economic
00:38:14.080
team go through these, you know, check out the numbers. I'm not sure when we release this,
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but that's the first thing. You have to, you have to get on the same page. And what I told
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the president of the White House is the first step in solving any problem is you have to admit you
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have one. So again, I have, I have been too, too negative because I've been focusing on the macro
00:38:31.180
problem. And I haven't been talking as positively as I should on all the good things in the big,
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beautiful bill, because there are a lot of good things. We fund the border. We fund defense.
00:38:40.880
This house did a pretty good job of identifying about $1.5 trillion in spending reduction. That's,
00:38:46.200
that's good. We extend current tax. We take an automatic tax increase off the table. We
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avoid default. Okay. Those are all great things. My only point, and I'm sorry, I have to make it.
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It just isn't enough. Okay. So what I've been asking for always is a commitment to a, to return to a
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reasonable pre-pandemic level spending and a process to achieve and maintain it. Now I'm throwing into the,
00:39:09.400
the method because one and done won't work. I mean, this is great progress that we'd be making
00:39:16.620
with the one big, beautiful bill. I don't deny that, but it doesn't solve the problem. So
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I'm looking for a forcing mechanism. So we come back in this Congress, not, not wait till winning
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an election. You're telling me this is politically realistic because that's the next, the next question
00:39:31.800
is because, because this is what's being said. And you know, Stephen Miller's a very smart guy in
00:39:35.840
this white house. He's been out there making the case that the objections to this are, um,
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more about people making a philosophical argument than operating within the reality of what is
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possible. And that if you don't do it this way, you're going to have to work with Democrats down
00:39:54.120
the line who don't want to work with you. So can you address that? Again, we, we can use another
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reconciliation process using the fiscal 2026 budget. Um, I have gotten just basically positive
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feedback from president Trump's ardent supporters and also my supporters. Again, Republicans, we
00:40:11.360
realize we have a massive debt and deficit problem. Are there sad Republicans who won't go along with
00:40:15.080
what you want to do here? Is that, I mean, where's the problem? It seems so logical to us.
00:40:19.940
I would say part of it is marketing. Okay. The house was all focused on getting this thing done.
00:40:25.720
And you know, they, they pulled literally, they pulled $1.5 trillion out of the air. It really
00:40:29.960
wasn't in context. You know, when I saw that, I said, you guys have set the bar way too low.
00:40:34.960
Okay. We, we need trillions of dollars in longterm to get this thing done. But then they assigned more
00:40:41.020
than half of that to ENC, the committee, all they can do is Medicaid. So they just open themselves up.
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You're going to slash Medicaid for, and you didn't make the case. You realize that what we're trying
00:40:51.780
to do is fix the Obamacare portion of Medicaid called Medicaid expansion that pays a dot when a
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state puts a buck in for a single childless, you know, working age, able-bodied adult, the federal
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government puts a nine bucks versus a dollar state puts in for a disabled child. Federal government
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kicks in a dollar 33. That has led to all kinds of distortions. There was a great article in the
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Wall Street Journal. A father of a 17 year old autistic child can't get home care for 10 years
00:41:22.100
because he's being crowded out by single adults. That should be worked on welfare. Medicaid is just
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the big giant. And so, and so you literally are putting at risk the benefits for the people that
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we want to help both in Medicare and in Medicaid. So you've got to root out these things, but you have
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to make the case and you can't make it in five months. So the game plan here. So as I was talking to
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Vice President, okay, it's going to take time. I propose a budget review panel, hire forensic
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auditors, take the Doge team, transfer them over this process, a House, a Senate, a White House
00:41:53.180
effort to forensically audit every, all more than 2,000 lines of federal budget, more than 2,600
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federal programs. And we've never done it. We've never done it. And even this process, you'll notice
00:42:05.100
they've exempted most spending, most programs. They focused on a couple. They get slaughtered in the
00:42:10.060
public opinion because Democrats, it's easy pickings for them because they have the press
00:42:14.920
behind them. I mentioned on the Sunday shows, it's so easy to be a Democrat. You spend, you
00:42:20.080
mortgage your kids' future, you never be held accountable by the media. It's hard doing what
00:42:25.020
we're trying to do. The good news for your listeners is that we're all pretty much on the
00:42:29.580
same page. We want to fix this problem. We just are dealing with something that's very
00:42:34.340
What's timing look like? And how significant is timing from your perspective? Because the
00:42:39.520
White House has said they'd like to have this done in the Senate by July 4th. We know that
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we don't have a very big majority in the House. So Mike Johnson, Speaker, is going to have to
00:42:48.140
go back and work through whatever conciliation bill is going to come out. What to you does
00:42:55.460
Well, I think most people thought the House, whatever the House passed, the Senate would
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water down. I think the opposite is true. I think we're going to make it more conservative.
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I think we're going to be doing even more reductions in terms of spending. And again,
00:43:09.300
And there's some people who agree with you. Chip Roy, for instance, a friend of ours, on
00:43:14.260
the House side, wants way more spending, right? I mean, this was an issue for Mike Johnson.
00:43:18.840
Yeah, I mean, they voted for it because they kicked the can over to the House or the Senate,
00:43:24.800
So you talk about the marketing. I'm just going to say this. You know, we've had Senator Rand
00:43:28.400
Paul on the show. We've talked to him. We've heard about on this and so many issues.
00:43:31.560
And a lot of the time, I just think he's making great arguments. But in this moment,
00:43:36.000
to talk about how there's too much money going to the border after 10 million illegals came
00:43:41.140
in under the Obama, I mean, Biden administration, and to say that that's where we're going to
00:43:46.560
start to make the savings happen in a meaningful way. Even if numerically you could start to
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make, I just think it's malpractice because people, and this is about saving the country
00:43:56.180
and, you know, just to save money when you're trying to save the country. I think people view
00:44:00.800
the urgency of the border and the illegal immigration issue as, you know, the policy
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equivalent of a war, meaning if we don't do this thing right, we don't have the same America
00:44:11.340
Well, I'm a really frugal guy, and I don't mind sharpening my pencil on any spending.
00:44:15.400
He is chairman of Homeland Security. He should be doing oversight on this. Again, in the first
00:44:19.960
administration, we've spent $6.6 billion to build 450 miles of wall. Now they're asking
00:44:31.460
Well, we didn't have enough money to finish the wall, though. I remember that was a problem.
00:44:34.960
But there's not 3,000 or 4,000 miles that have to be built.
00:44:44.240
Because there's some more questions, but quickly, and then Buck's got to do a read here.
00:44:47.920
Your time frame, July 4th, any chance in your mind this is done by July 4th?
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I think that's ambitious. I really think in the Senate we're looking more before August
00:44:57.740
Before August recess. And it has to be done before August recess?
00:45:00.420
Well, just the, you know, Decian's going to expire sometime mid-August to late September,
00:45:05.040
so that's part of the pressure. I mean, that's part of what they do. One of the reasons they
00:45:08.760
bundled this all up is, yeah, I don't want to see taxes increase. I don't want to default
00:45:12.520
on the debt, so that just puts pressure on us. So I've been very out front. Nobody should
00:45:16.740
be surprised. I wrote my first column on reasonable pre-pandemic level spending and options to
00:45:21.820
do it in the Wall Street Journal on January 1st. So again, I've been beating this drum
00:45:27.300
Ron Johnson in the hot seat. He doesn't like it hot. He prefers it cold. He's from Wisconsin,
00:45:31.700
but we'll keep going. Look, we're not dealing with this debt. You know it, I know it, which
00:45:37.140
means that there's those long-term issues of governance and issues with the dollar. And owning gold is
00:45:44.920
just one way to prepare for that uncertain future. I've been a gold guy for over a decade.
00:45:49.600
My dad gave me my first gold coin when I was in my 20s. He said, you know what? He's a big gold
00:45:54.180
believer, and I've been a big gold believer ever since. I've been building up my gold reserves,
00:45:58.420
and man, the price of gold has seen great appreciation in just the past year, up 40%.
00:46:03.000
I'm also a big history guy. Clay likes to refer to us as history nerds. Has there ever been a time when
00:46:08.420
there's been a civilization in society that said, you know what? You know what I don't need?
00:46:11.380
Gold. No value in that. Yeah. There's a reason for this, all right? And that's why I think you
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should call the Birch Gold Group. That's who I use. Trump administration's doing a lot to try to
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Clay and I in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital. But you're always with us when we're
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on the air and off the air. Clay, I was getting a salad yesterday right from the airport, you
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know, trying to stay healthy, trying to be beach ready over here that I can. You know, Clay
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and I are trying to be trying to be fit radio hosts, which puts us into a that's certainly,
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by the way, an oxymoron. You know, usually radio hosts. We like our bacon cheeseburgers.
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But I was in there. And within a few minutes of setting foot in D.C., some of our wonderful
00:48:12.140
listeners came up to me and they said they love the show and they were visiting here.
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They were not swamp natives, but they were visiting our nation's capital. So it's great to be here
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with all of you. As you know, we've got a whole bunch of meetings lined up with the people
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calling the shots here. Some at their request, they said they want to spend some time with
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us. So we're here doing our D.C. tour so we can touch base with with everybody from the
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president on down who is running things. And also over the weekend, Clay, you know, we've
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talked a little bit here about how it would be fun to get you and Laura. We all know Laura
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is going to be a fantastic shot if she isn't already do a range day. So my brother Mason
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and I completed the NRA pistol instructor certification course over the weekend, had
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to call, had to actually go through a bunch of a bunch of range qualifications in order
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to do it. But we came through. Those of you who are wondering, it's 15 yards, steel sites,
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20 shots. I know a lot of you are instructors and I know a lot of you are instructors, you
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know, black belt with three stripes on it, all that. But for those who aren't instructors,
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it was 15 yards, iron sites. That wasn't a requirement, but our guy wanted us to make
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sure we were we were dialed in. So it was 15 yards, iron sites, at least I think it was
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16 or 17 out of 20 in that six inch target. So yeah. So Clay, we can set up a range day
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for you now. It'd be absolutely fantastic. NRA certified and ready to rock and roll.
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Big timers. Yeah, that would be a lot of fun because my wife is pretty fired up about
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the need for for firearms training. So I mentioned this on Mother's Day. She had the kids and
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me out on the range getting trained in firearms. I know. I loved it. I saw the photos. I saw
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the video of it. I don't know how many people wanted to spend their Mother's Day that way,
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but that's what my wife was. That was brilliant. I was so, so pleased to see it. I'll just tell
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you that it was fun. During there were about 20 people in this class. We had an excellent
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instructor down in South Florida, but we had about 20 people in the class and I'd say
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about half of them. It was only two days, right? It was Saturday and Sunday all day.
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But at the end, they all came up like, Hey man, love the show. So we had a lot of, I was
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like, I think we're in a pistol class in South Florida with NRA members. And these are people
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that shoot a lot, a lot of law enforcement, a lot of a lot of people who the guns are something
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that they're, they're caring for part of their job who are in the class. And, and we got
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a lot of Clay and Buck people in there. So it was unsurprising. Yeah. I was like, I think
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we're with our people here. I looked around. It's like, Oh, we are with our people. I think
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there's also, I mean, this is not going to surprise you. We were up here for inauguration day,
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but I do think that there are a lot of people that the Trump team has brought into DC, even
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though DC is 92% or whatever it is of a Democrat stronghold. You know, I lived here during a Republican
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administration and I lived here for during at least part of a Democrat. So I was here for
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the Bush years. Oh, basically second Bush term. I lived the whole second Bush term. I lived
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in DC, uh, more or less. And the first two years of Obama, I think I was here. And then
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when you have that transition from one party to the other, it feels like a very different
00:51:23.860
town just based on who's here. And, uh, the vibe I was a kid. So it was less noticeable to
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me, meaning I was in college. Uh, but I came in at the very end of the Clintons and then the George
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W. Bush era and then left right before nine 11, which obviously changed things tremendously,
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uh, for the worse in so many different ways. I mean, one of the reasons we're up here now is
00:51:46.220
obviously to get as many senators in as possible. You heard from Ron Johnson yesterday, we had
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Tommy Tuberville and Marsha Blackburn in here. We want to talk to as many newsmakers as we can in
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person, a lot more. We're going to have Marco Rubio in studio with us on Thursday, uh, for a
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couple of segments, which I think you guys will really enjoy. Secretary of state will dive into
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some of those Ukraine questions, uh, that so many of you have. And also what's going on, uh, in the
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middle East with Iran, a lot of different things we can talk about with Marco Rubio. Uh, but my, uh,
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17 year old and his friend, I've I'm in charge of them. And I was telling you yesterday, we were in
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Georgetown. I am so thankful that I've got a 17 year old boy because if I had a 17 year old
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daughter, there's no way she's going to be right. I said, Hey guys, just make sure he and his friend,
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Hey, make sure you're back by, by dark. Uh, and you guys can run around and you'd be in
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Georgetown. I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck. If I had a 17 year old daughter, there's no way on
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planet. I would be letting her run around in Washington, DC. I would be nervous about her
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because, cause you have obviously, uh, you know, I have this with my wife where you have the, uh,
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location finder on your phone. My wife, Carrie knows where I am at all times. She knows where,
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uh, she, where, uh, you know, and vice versa. Um, but I know you have that with your boys,
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but of course, you know, immediate family. Well, if you had a 17 year old daughter,
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what do you think? She'd have to carry a GoPro around, you know, kind of like a, like a cop,
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like she has to wear a body cam just to make sure everything is on the up and up.
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I was glancing down just to make sure, you know, like, Hey, where are they? Uh, when we were,
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um, having drinks. Um, and, uh, and I, that's when I was like, I mean, if I had a 17 year old
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daughter, there's no way on the planet, I would be like, Hey, just go wander around it. You and your
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teenage girlfriend, just go wander around in Georgetown, have as much fun as you want.
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Just make sure you're backed by dark. No dad, they would, they would, unfortunately for them,
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they would have to do every meal with dad. Um, and, uh, and I'm not as much worried about the boys
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running around. Maybe that's a poor decision by me on parenting, but who's the disciplinarian of
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you? My wife is way tougher than I am. That's probably not going to surprise you, but, um,
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but I actually, I think, I think Carrie is going to be for young James. I think Carrie is going to,
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I'm going to be busy like buddy. You don't want me to turn this over to your mom, right? I think
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Carrie is going to be the law and order in our house. She's pretty tough on him. Sometimes it's
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kind of funny. We both are in that position. I'm going to be the one who's like, ah, you know,
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stuff happens. It's, um, I already feel a little bit sorry for the girlfriends of these, uh, these
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boys, because I don't think that my boys, um, that I don't think she's going to go too easy on
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them. Um, so anyway, I give thanks every single day that I've got three boys instead of three girls.
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And I was thinking about that yesterday, um, as, uh, as we were rolling through, uh, enjoying,
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let's dive in. You, you know, this one better than me. I saw some of it over the weekend. I know
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you talked to Riley Gaines yesterday. There's some updates to this. The Simone Biles, who I
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remember, I got all this. You got crushed when we just started. Yeah. I mean, crush might
00:54:44.820
be a little strong. There were some, there were some sour leftists out there saying some
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mean things. How many things have you said on the show that you have gotten ripped for
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harder than by like national media figures? Very few. Like I, I'm sitting here, I am like
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deport them by the millions and no problem. Hey, I don't think we need to celebrate Simone
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Biles stepping away from her team during the Olympics. I didn't say that I wasn't like, oh,
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she's a coward, you know, whatever. And she's in incredible shape and I'm not, and she's
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a world-class gymnast. I just said, you know, if you pull a hammy and you can't finish, it's
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not, you know, it's not brave. You go on the injured list. You go on the, exactly. That's
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all I was saying. And I got all these people or so. So, so there's a little, little history
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here, a little history here. And I got, I actually got, I got, uh, tagged by a few national
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media figures on that one. But anyway, um, update everybody on the latest here. Cause she
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said, as I said along too, look, I saw this from afar, Riley Gaines to say Riley Gaines looks
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like a man. Every guy in our audience is like, nah, sorry. And every gal, I think, but I
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just, you know, every guy's like, no, it doesn't look like a man. Nice try. It was a tough argument.
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Um, out of nowhere though, for those of you missed it, Riley was on yesterday talking about
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this. Simone Biles just ripped her for saying, and all Riley had done that set the precipitated
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this was Riley shared a photo of a Minnesota high school softball championship team. And a
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boy was on the girls team, which is absurd and way taller. And all she said was they
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turned the comments off. So people on social media couldn't react. And out of nowhere, Simone
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Biles decided to tee off on her and then said, you look like a man, which again, I mean, Simone
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Biles has done all these body positivity things. Riley is five, you know, she measured herself
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like five, five or five, six. So now after multiple days of just getting attacked, like
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crazy for being on the wrong side of this issue, I want to, you haven't seen this. I want to
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read Simone Biles has some sort of strange PR apology up. And here's what she posted just
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a little bit ago. I wanted to follow up from my last tweets. I've always believed competitive
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equity. First of all, Buck, competitive equity, competitive equity is not a thing. Competitive
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equality is a thing. The entire point of competition is to eliminate equity. We don't want everybody
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to be the exact same. But I always believe competitive equity and inclusivity are essential
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in sport. The current system doesn't adequately balance these important principles, which often
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leads to frustration and heated exchanges. And it didn't help for me to get personal with Riley,
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which I apologize for. These are sensitive, complicated issues that I truly don't have the
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answers or solutions to. But I believe it starts with empathy and respect. This is written for her
00:57:40.460
by some PR crisis team. A hundred percent. We know that you and I have been in this game long
00:57:44.520
enough to know that. And she's still still going. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, no, no. The PR team
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wrote this ridiculous statement. I was not advocating for policies that compromise fairness in women's
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sports. My objection is to singling out children for public scrutiny in ways that feel personal and
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harmful. Individual athletes, especially kids, should never be the focus of criticism of a flawed system
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they have no control over. I believe sports organizations have a responsibility to come up
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with rules supporting inclusion while maintaining fair competition, which is actually impossible.
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We all want a future for sport that is fair, inclusive and respectful. Hugs and kisses, Simone.
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Yeah. Okay. So that was written by a PR team. Yeah. But she realizes there are a few things here.
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First of all, her position, first and foremost, her position is not just on her real position. I don't
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mean the PR thing. The thing that she said about Riley, her position on men and women's sports
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is irrational and indefensible. And then to add on top of that, to go after a, honestly,
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anyone's appearance based on a political issue like this, you've always really lost just to start
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off with. I mean, to do the like, you look like a man thing. Fortunately, Riley, you know,
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we don't have to get into this, but no one thinks Riley looks like a man. I mean, she's very,
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very lovely woman in very good physical condition. Um, and, uh, I just think that she realized that
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she did real brand damage here on top of the political issue. You don't attack somebody's
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appearance, especially somebody who's really good looking like that's just insane.
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I think she lit herself on fire here and it took three, four days for her to put out this
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mealy mouthed jumbly, not particularly well, even with all of the PR dollars that she's spending,
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that was just a jumble and nothing. And when you just type out what somebody tells you to say,
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I would have more respect for, even though I would disagree with her completely. If she just said,
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I said what I said, I'm right now. Yeah. Own it at least. I know I wouldn't agree with the
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Clay Travis special right there. I'm doubling down. I'm tripling. I'm not saying that I'm not going to
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say at some point in my career, something that I didn't intend to say, but in 20 years,
00:59:57.980
it's never happened. So you should apologize. I've been married 20 years. Look, you should
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apologize if you do things that you don't intend to do and that, that, that are, are not reflective
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of your intentionality, but that's not this. And also she could have written, she, she could have
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just written out and said, you know, and we would know it was from her, meaning she actually did the
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writing. Simone Biles could, could write out on her Twitter or Instagram or wherever this is.
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And Riley, that was, that was wrong. You know, you're a beautiful young woman and a talented
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athlete. And I'm sorry that I would, I'm sorry that I would cross the line. There's a heated
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political issue. And I just want to have respect for all people or whatever, something where she
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doesn't even have to get too deep into the politics of it, but something that's a little
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bit heartfelt. This is my PR team came in and cleaned up my mess, which to me is once again,
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inauthentic. Like, I just don't believe that she wrote this herself. She clearly did not.
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Of course. But so that's what, so it's, it's not an authentic apology. If it's an authentic
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apology, you write it yourself. You just say, look, I'm, I crossed the line. My bad. I wouldn't
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do that again. And, you know, and you could move on from there. But to me, this is just,
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I still wonder Buck, what is the intent here? She's not that active on social media. She's
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not that political. Did someone pay her to attack Riley like this? It doesn't make any sense
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to me that you would suddenly decide based on a photo of a Minnesota team. She might've seen
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someone else that she respects and likes, or that wants the approval of. This is just me
01:01:26.320
surmising or analyzing this. And, and she thought that there was an opportunity here to score some
01:01:31.900
points with someone or some group that she wants the admiration of, because I agree with you. This
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is not, you know, they're, they're like when, when Keith Olbermann's chirping at you, it's because
01:01:41.740
he's always chirping at everybody, right? I mean, it doesn't, that's his job, right?
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Whatever you agree or disagree. Like most people I think like Simone Biles and now they don't.
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Yeah. I mean, Keith Olbermann has a constituency, miserable, childless, 65 year old women that he
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represents. And that's just the way it goes. And he looks more and more every single day like a
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miserable, childless, 65 year old lesbian. True story. A friend of mine just got back from a trip
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with his family to Ireland. Do you know who he bumped into on the street in Dublin? He bumped into
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Rosie O'Donnell on the street. That's really. And as a fellow American, he's obviously conservative.
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He was just kind of like, wait, really? And he asked her, he said, how do you like it here? She
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said, she doesn't like it. She's going to come home. Of course she doesn't like it. I mean,
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America, the Irish don't like her. There are maybe, this would be a fun debate. If you're super
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wealthy as Rosie is, there are only a handful of countries that would be actually better than the
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United States, even for the South super wealthy. Ireland's not one. She lived in LA. Weather's
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perfect. You know, she's super rich. I'm not surprised. There's a reason my people look
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the way we do, you know, not a lot of sunshine, a lot of booze, you know, so I'm just saying
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the Irish. Yeah, you know, it's true. Don't send me that stuff. You know, it's true. Look,
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