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00:01:06.740 Welcome, everybody, to the Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck.

00:01:11.880 Clay on his way back, I believe, from Hawaii.

00:01:14.160 He'll be joining us on Thursday.

00:01:17.100 It's just me, the Buckster, today.

00:01:20.520 And look, there's no way around it.

00:01:23.600 A very rough day in terms of the biggest Supreme Court decision.

00:01:29.360 It went against us.

00:01:31.340 Let's just jump right to it.

00:01:33.660 By 6-3, although there's a little bit of an asterisk, makes it feel more 5-4,

00:01:39.700 but by 6-3, the court decided that if someone is born on U.S. soil anywhere,

00:01:48.440 for any reason at any time criminal conspiracy of birth tourism included uh you you name it

00:02:00.080 they are with the only exception being diplomats which was previously carved out um they are u.s

00:02:08.060 citizens they they have come down with this decision that i think is one of the worst in the

00:02:16.440 history of the court quite honestly alito justice alito oh let me give you some of the

00:02:22.620 uh some of the the stats the details just so we can have a really robust conversation about this

00:02:30.280 it's important we talk about it and understand what is not just in the decision but what happens

00:02:36.460 now this is a big deal unfortunately it's a bad big deal but this is as alito wrote one of the

00:02:44.780 most important decisions in the history of the court and in my judgment the court has made a

00:02:49.720 serious mistake so you had gorsuch alito thomas see this for what it is that's the three who just

00:03:02.580 said you guys have got to be kidding me i mean in in other words but that was their bottom line on

00:03:10.000 this you can't really believe that somebody who shows up and this happens this isn't just a

00:03:18.280 theoretical this happens every day in this country we'll get to the trend by the way the trans

00:03:22.920 athlete thing that went in our favor so that's good news there is some good news to discuss today

00:03:28.280 as well and there was also a ruling on on political campaign uh finance donations we'll get to that

00:03:35.240 that's much smaller potatoes right now than this the trans ruling went our way but that

00:03:40.800 i think was expected i mean that would have just been the court no longer can read plain english

00:03:46.000 this well maybe the court can't read plain english think about some of the things that have had to be

00:03:52.520 had to be taken up by the supreme court does the word temporary in fact mean temporary as in not

00:04:00.900 forever and will end at some point the court had to rule on that the democrats on the court

00:04:05.200 that's what they are people say the liberals they're democrats the democrats on the court

00:04:09.940 said no temporary actually means forever because you're mean that was troubling today the court

00:04:16.640 did find that when the law says biological sex and separation thereof under title nine

00:04:22.460 it actually is biological sex and just because somebody might really really really want that

00:04:28.440 word or that reality to be something else it does not change so that's encouraging but

00:04:33.320 let's get back here to the big one which is the birthright citizenship case

00:04:41.660 the court and this came up in in oral arguments before uh the court has said today

00:04:52.320 in essence or no really actually quite explicitly i shouldn't even say in essence

00:04:58.100 if a chinese birth and that's where there's a lot of this birth tourism that goes on

00:05:02.540 And that also raises concerns in this country because that's our primary geopolitical and economic rival.

00:05:10.360 There's a lot of subversion, a lot of espionage, a lot of working against the interests of the American people happening when it comes to China.

00:05:22.060 The Supreme Court today said that if a Chinese birth tourist breaks, it is against the law to do this, keep in mind.

00:05:32.540 birth tourist shows up here has a baby here takes that baby out of that hospital in san francisco or

00:05:39.380 los angeles or wherever goes back to china they can come back here in 18 live their whole life

00:05:47.500 in beijing maybe they don't speak a word of english maybe all they've learned is how terrible 0.67

00:05:51.880 america is they can come back here at age 18 and they're as american as you and i they are as 0.69

00:05:59.920 american as apple pie i i my friends it it's deeply distressing just to say that out loud

00:06:08.580 could be because we know at a gut at an instinctual dare i say at an american level that is just not

00:06:17.420 true it's just not true the court can say it's true but the court also said that there was a

00:06:23.380 special right to privacy to kill a baby in the womb they were wrong on that one for a long time

00:06:28.920 the court also ruled in dred scott the court also ruled in roe v wade the court they have been wrong

00:06:36.940 in the past and i think this is wrong and it wasn't 9-0 it wasn't like oh my gosh there's

00:06:44.800 no real question of fact here or there's no question of law it was 6-3 and kavanaugh says

00:06:50.460 look i gotta go right now with the majority as in this is the law now but he thinks that congress

00:06:58.140 can just change this but the majority held that this is actually constitutional that this is

00:07:07.500 in the constitution and therefore a act of the legislature alone would not be enough you would

00:07:14.200 need a constitutional amendment you would need a constitutional amendment the court says today

00:07:20.580 to make it no longer the case that an illegal who shows up here from Nicaragua

00:07:28.640 comes across the border, has a baby here, and maybe goes back home

00:07:34.140 and then returns at age 18 or returns.

00:07:38.820 That could return in a few decades and run for president. 0.53

00:07:42.920 As American, as American gets. 0.76

00:07:45.020 It's all the same. 1.00

00:07:46.640 I'm sorry.

00:07:47.560 Well, I'm not really sorry.

00:07:50.580 But I sit here and I tell you what has happened today, but I also tell you that as far as

00:07:55.980 I am concerned, a majority of the Supreme Court has decided that to be legally American

00:08:01.780 is so debased that it can in fact be obtained as the proceeds of criminal conspiracy, and

00:08:10.640 that the founders who risked hanging to forge this nation wanted us all one day to think

00:08:16.100 that citizenship is just a game a joke a scheme of no real meaning no bonds of fraternity friendship

00:08:26.620 or nation among us it's just words on a page courtesy of some bureaucrat somewhere that is it

00:08:37.740 it's a devastating ruling now now that i think we've explained at least the basics of what this

00:08:46.540 is they're saying subject to the jurisdiction thereof that was always the now keep in mind

00:08:52.060 the congress had to change uh change the law after the 14th amendment because of native americans

00:09:01.460 were not considered initially to be automatically citizens as a result of the passage of the 14th

00:09:07.600 amendment the 14th amendment explicitly had to deal with freed slaves and that they are americans

00:09:13.540 and that they are false citizens and there should be and can be no question or debate about that

00:09:19.600 it is ludicrous it is ludicrous for the justices to sit there and say you know that also covers

00:09:28.900 people who are subject to foreign citizenship and foreign law who come here in violation of

00:09:36.960 our law have a baby and even return home that's one thing the anchor baby thing is bad enough 0.71

00:09:44.160 because that is the proceeds of of a crime it's it's a benefit and let me also point out that

00:09:51.200 anchor babies of all kinds are a rapid pathway for the rest of the family that's what there's 0.99

00:09:58.180 the anchor to keep them here but there's also the anchor pulling in the rest of the foreigners to 1.00

00:10:03.640 skip the to the front of the and then we're told it's family reunification this is a huge 0.99

00:10:09.400 incentive for people to continue to game our immigration system and it's happening at the

00:10:15.320 same time that we are told we need to pay more we need to pay more taxes there needs to be more

00:10:20.860 rules more laws on the law abiding more restrictions on the productive you're not doing enough

00:10:26.820 nicholas christophe of the new york times is saying that elon musk has killed millions of

00:10:32.020 children because of cuts to USAID if we aren't paying you and I aren't paying to put gas in the

00:10:41.960 tanks of cars in West Africa or the Sudan or or Cambodia and there's any problem over there it's

00:10:53.960 our fault we're literally killing children that is the position of the left now so we have to

00:11:00.560 come together and have a conversation about what does it in fact mean to be american what is it to

00:11:05.720 be american even some on our own side i think air when they say well we are just a creedal nation no

00:11:11.800 we are a people and a creed we are two things simultaneously and one cannot be separated from

00:11:18.540 the other if you change the people entirely the creed does not matter if you change the creed

00:11:24.060 entirely well then the people will be led astray but this supreme court is absolutely leading us

00:11:29.660 astray with this decision it is distressing and it's not just because i think it shows

00:11:38.660 a mentality that a large portion of the country shares that americanness is just status

00:11:46.860 something that can be changed with the check of a box with the wave of a bureaucratic wand

00:11:52.880 there's nothing to it you don't have to speak english you don't have to share our history

00:11:58.320 you don't have to even grow up or live or be around any of us you could in fact according

00:12:04.300 to justice roberts who is a coward and kavanaugh who well he's not as bad coney barrett who i think

00:12:13.080 is just not as smart as the others just being honest with you i'm talking about the conservatives 0.81

00:12:16.360 uh they think that if you live your whole life in beijing but you spent five days here after being

00:12:23.880 born in san francisco you should be able to run for president in america you are a u.s citizen 0.98

00:12:30.680 we should be willing to deploy seal team six anywhere in the globe to save your ass even if 0.96

00:12:37.720 you've lived in beijing for 40 years because you spent five days here in san francisco and they 0.97

00:12:43.620 decided that subject to the jurisdiction thereof on a tourist visa means you're american

00:12:50.440 the problem is my friends they have opened the definition so wide that you'd have to ask

00:12:57.660 if everyone is american then what does it even mean to be american if the bar is so low if it

00:13:04.920 is so debased as i said what are we left with let me tell you anybody who is feeling a little

00:13:13.080 squeamish about deporting as many illegals in the country as possible before i hope this is a wake-up

00:13:19.420 call to you the left the democrats the communists in this country that's right the communists in

00:13:26.280 our midst they view this place america as a commune they want us they want us to be

00:13:34.380 subject to all the other jurisdictions thereof as well they want to take what is yours they want to

00:13:40.140 give it to others they want you to shut your mouth in the process this is a very dark day

00:13:46.180 on the court this is a very dark day for america we will fight on we will keep pushing but i cannot

00:13:52.600 sugarcoat it for you this was a devastating ruling from the court and you have to wonder you ask

00:14:00.440 yourself how many people going forward are going to be willing to fight and die for an economic

00:14:06.000 zone how many americans going forward are going to say i will answer the call i will go anywhere

00:14:13.280 the commander-in-chief tells me to and risk my life and be away from my family and not see my

00:14:19.000 children and not be next to my wife or my husband for months and months perhaps even over a year at

00:14:26.540 a time on deployment how many will do that knowing that it is so cheap and to be american that someone

00:14:32.140 can show up here for five minutes and have all the same rights all the same benefits but somehow

00:14:39.580 not the same obligations as you and me they have no answers for that to you uh for you today on the

00:14:47.700 court and i wish i had all the answers on this but i don't honestly it's a uh it's a bad day

00:14:53.500 for the country we fight on we don't cry we don't whine we take it we process it and we will move

00:15:02.820 forward that is my promise to you here on the show i'm sure a lot of you are going to have

00:15:06.320 thoughts on this let's talk about it i will get to the transgender ruling which was absolutely the

00:15:12.260 right ruling and important it is a good ruling it is an important ruling it today is overshadowed

00:15:19.160 somewhat by this birthright citizenship ruling that over it just it undoes the trump executive

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00:18:22.220 Welcome back to Clay Ann Buck.

00:18:24.220 Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio joins us now.

00:18:27.720 Congressman, I don't know if you've caught any of the top of the show,

00:18:31.060 but I know you know what's going on with this Supreme Court decision.

00:18:35.480 Trump says the Supreme Court upheld birthright citizenship,

00:18:37.800 which is too bad for our country,

00:18:39.700 but we can easily make it up in Congress through legislation,

00:18:42.620 which has the support of the president.

00:18:45.880 what do you think about that what are the i mean let's just jump right to the legislative ways to

00:18:52.140 at least make citizenship something that feels less like a joke yeah it's common sense that if

00:18:59.620 you're here and you know unlawfully here in the country and you have a child that that child should

00:19:04.600 not the back of you i mean i think even alito in his in his dissent said in my judgment the court

00:19:10.300 and made a mistake, a mistake that will seriously affect the country's future.

00:19:14.580 So if that's a situation, let's look at legislative ways to fix it.

00:19:18.360 I think you just have to write something straightforward like, no,

00:19:21.140 the 14th Amendment was written at a different time for a different situation,

00:19:25.140 i.e., you know, dealing with the evil of slavery and the aftermath of all that.

00:19:30.400 And then the fact that you were born here does not actually make you subject to it

00:19:36.080 just by the fact you're born, it shouldn't fit that clause.

00:19:39.200 So I think that is the key takeaway. But but unfortunately, it was what five for the other direction.

00:19:44.040 And the court said, no, the 14th Amendment is going to be interpreted in a way that says you are a citizen.

00:19:48.860 Is it is it I'd have to look at this. I know that birth tourism is illegal.

00:19:54.100 There have been cases brought against usually the the like birth tourism center or the place that is conspiring to to bring in people to do this.

00:20:04.260 my understanding is that you know that that is illegal is there any restriction on visas for

00:20:11.820 people from countries coming here at six months or eight months or whatever it may be pregnant

00:20:17.460 depending on how long they have to stay in the country is is that also something to be looked at

00:20:22.160 because people are wondering short of a sweeping change in what just happened today how do we

00:20:28.280 tighten things up because this is just going to be a free-for-all now yeah well we do need to

00:20:33.640 tighten things up in a host of ways and make sure that in the event we get another Joe Biden,

00:20:39.940 he can't do what he did, which is allow 10 million people just to come in the country all

00:20:43.520 claiming asylum and saying temporary protected status is not temporary. It's forever. And all

00:20:49.240 the things that he did. So we do need, and maybe when we put that legislation together, which we

00:20:53.620 passed in the House last Congress, maybe we need to go back and do some of that again.

00:20:58.360 We can look at what you just described. Oh, there should be further stipulations if it looks like

00:21:03.360 this is going on. In fact, Alito used that term in his in his dissent. He talked about birth

00:21:08.100 tourists. And that was one of the things he cited. So maybe we do need to look at that as well. But

00:21:14.060 I do know we need to tighten up the asylum laws, need to fix the what's called the floors decision.

00:21:18.380 We need to make sure there can't be no catch and release. Those things we need to get into law so

00:21:22.060 that we don't have 10 million people coming across the border like we all like, like what happened

00:21:27.400 with president biden now i know you are doing a hearing i believe right after you're done with us

00:21:34.300 here on air up on capitol hill with angel moms and this obviously goes very much to the issue

00:21:39.540 of illegal immigration and uh law enforcement what's going on with this tell everybody what's

00:21:44.680 happening sanctuary jurisdictions is the dumbest policy i've ever heard understand what they did

00:21:49.680 systematic plan of the left they let in 10 million people under joe biden then they create 0.79

00:21:53.820 jurisdictions where it makes it difficult to remove those individuals, even when they commit

00:21:57.940 another crime. Because remember, sanctuary jurisdiction is simply politicians telling

00:22:01.780 local law enforcement you can't work with federal law enforcement when it comes to enforcing federal

00:22:07.840 law. And then, of course, the third step was Democrats try not to pay ICE. They try to abolish

00:22:12.560 ICE. So this is their systematic plan. And what happens is real consequences for families like

00:22:17.680 Ms. Gorman, who was the student at Loyola, who was killed by an illegal migrant who had committed a crime and who was let out because they wanted to be soft on people and take into effect their deportation status when they decide whether to charge people with crimes or what kind of a sentence or plea agreement they might get.

00:22:35.840 This guy kills Ms. Gorman, and her mother is testifying today at 2 o'clock.

00:22:40.800 So it's all part of us. We've passed legislation already out of our committee to address the sanctuary jurisdiction problem, which, again, is part of this systematic plan of the left.

00:22:50.500 Oh, by the way, a third of the country – we've talked about this, I think, before, Buck – but a third of the country lives in a jurisdiction that is a sanctuary jurisdiction because it's all the big blue cities and big blue states.

00:23:00.940 it's ridiculous that a third of the country their political class tells the local law enforcement

00:23:06.380 don't work with federal law enforcement and the consequences are what happened to

00:23:09.920 to sheridan gorman whose mom jessica is going to be testifying at two o'clock today in our hearing 0.92

00:23:14.680 now legislation is a good idea it will also run up against the realities of a democrat

00:23:23.400 filibuster or threat thereof in the senate side right so there are limitations this is good for

00:23:30.080 the conversation this is good to show people what sides of the issue democrats and republicans on

00:23:35.580 capitol hill stand but i would ask you know you know president trump very well and you are quite

00:23:41.760 aware of what's going on with the executive branch which has critical functions that are still

00:23:47.380 underway here critical uh missions that are underway to enforce the laws when it comes to

00:23:53.280 immigration uh senator mark wayne mullen your former congress well you know senate side but

00:23:58.060 congressional colleague a he was on tv over the weekend and said something about well there's all

00:24:03.380 these haitians who are no longer covered by tps but they can apply for other things and see how

00:24:08.280 that goes people did not like that let me just ask you are are you hearing and you would know

00:24:14.220 because you talked to them is the executive branch dialed in and ready to go with the kinds of

00:24:20.780 enforcement operations that have been promised from the very beginning of the trump presidency

00:24:25.140 i.e. are there major deportation operations that are coming yeah i mean it's been over uh you know

00:24:32.360 a million some that um have been deported in in president trump's here year and a half in office

00:24:38.680 uh and of course we've got the the ruling on temporary protected status and in simple terms

00:24:43.300 temporary means temporary and i think it was uh someone who works at dhs was on doing an interview

00:24:49.500 Their statement was to folks is, look, you don't have to go back to your home country.

00:24:55.540 You just can't stay here.

00:24:57.060 So that's pretty direct, saying that people are going to have to leave.

00:25:02.260 Now, are there other programs that can apply?

00:25:03.680 I don't know exactly what those would be, but maybe they can claim something.

00:25:09.480 But it seems to me then you're going to have to touch back and reapply in some kind of asylum or whatever you want to do.

00:25:17.300 But, yeah, I think that this administration has done what they've said they were going to do in enforcing the law and going after people who are here illegally, particularly ones who have committed crime. 0.73

00:25:28.680 It's why this, again, I come back to the sanctuary jurisdiction, why this is such a stupid policy, and yet it's being embraced by the left, and it's currently in effect in about a third of the country.

00:25:38.180 Well, is there a budgetary mechanism that, you know, that's where obviously the majority has much more leeway?

00:25:45.160 I mean, we've heard about a possible withdrawal of funding for, for, for example, there's actually a lot of federal law enforcement dollars that go into a lot of these sanctuary, really all of them, but major jurisdictions and the federal government said, look, if you're not going to be helpful, we could pull back that funding.

00:26:02.600 I mean, what are the other than the narrative, the discussion, the showing the American people what's going on?

00:26:09.320 I know you're doing this hearing coming up.

00:26:11.320 What are the levers that can actually be pulled so that sanctuary jurisdictions, if they're not going to change, at least feel the heat?

00:26:19.100 Yeah, a good question.

00:26:20.120 One is that the power of the purse, which is the founders envision that as being the primary power that that legislative branch would have.

00:26:26.160 That element is in our bill that we've passed out of our committee on sanctuary jurisdiction.

00:26:30.260 The other element is you say to law enforcement, you can't be – if local law enforcement, which the vast majority do, if they want to work with a federal law enforcement to enforce the law – and again, most of them do – then we give them immunity from being harassed and targeted by their local political jurisdiction.

00:26:48.620 And then third, we say, and this is the most powerful part, I think, in the legislation, we say, oh, to families like Ms. Gorman's mother, who's going to be testifying later today, we say you have a cause of action to go against the city, against the political entity that allowed this to happen, who said it was okay to release bad guys, not work with ICE, and then they commit some crime and harm your family.

00:27:10.320 You have a cause of action, private right of action to go after them.

00:27:12.700 So there's three key elements in the legislation, the money protecting of the law enforcement who want to work with federal law enforcement and the private right of action for families who've been harmed.

00:27:22.040 Now, is that so that private right of action, that would be a statutory change?

00:27:27.340 Where does that stand right now?

00:27:29.140 Yes.

00:27:29.660 That would be a statutory change.

00:27:30.860 It's in the legislation we pass from the committee.

00:27:33.280 We think this is going to be on the House floor.

00:27:35.280 We've been pushing for it.

00:27:36.160 We want to get it on the House floor and pass it.

00:27:37.660 but we're making sure we get all the votes

00:27:40.280 because I don't think we're going to get any help from the Democrats.

00:27:43.080 Again, the Democrats have embraced this crazy concept.

00:27:45.920 Is there anything else on the immigration front

00:27:47.440 that you would like to see Congress take up,

00:27:51.640 putting aside for a moment the roadblock of the Senate

00:27:55.980 without running roughshod over the filibuster, getting rid of it, whatever?

00:27:59.520 Is there anything else that you think on this immigration issue

00:28:02.120 deserves more attention at this stage?

00:28:04.340 Because, I mean, I'm going to tell you something.

00:28:05.740 A lot of people, congressmen, feel a little dejected right now.

00:28:09.460 You've got to be kidding me.

00:28:11.080 Anchor babies and birth tourism is enshrined in the Constitution, according to a small majority in this court.

00:28:16.940 That's a rough one.

00:28:18.600 No, I understand.

00:28:20.420 The main thing we want is this bill on sanctuary cities, sanctuary jurisdictions.

00:28:24.880 We think that is the most important thing to pass.

00:28:27.420 But as I said before, I do think it makes sense to codify, put into law things that Joe Biden was – to prevent the next Joe Biden from doing the things he did, like the catch and release.

00:28:39.960 now we don't have that happening under president trump because he's actually he's actually you

00:28:44.360 know secured the board like he said but it'd be nice to put things into law which make it more

00:28:48.680 difficult for another democrat if you know you know if it happens we hope it doesn't but if a

00:28:53.820 democrat gets back in the white house at some point making it tough for them to do what biden

00:28:58.100 did can i ask you i think that we can do in that where's where we're talking to congressman jim

00:29:01.800 jordan i know you got to go to a hearing in a second just one last one for you i'm hearing from

00:29:05.500 some of my people that uh there's concern in the for the upcoming election for republicans

00:29:12.640 in your home state of of ohio particularly on this i'm really just talking about on the senate and

00:29:18.000 gubernatorial side in those races is that stuff overblown can you just give us a little insight

00:29:23.500 into no it's we got good candidates uh vivek i think is great we endorsed him early uh like him

00:29:29.300 i think he's going to do a great job for our state and same with senator husted but it's ohio you

00:29:33.560 You know, and before President Trump came along, we were the bellwether state.

00:29:37.160 Now, President Trump has made us a Trump-Republican state, but I do think the early polling shows that these races are real races, but I think we're going to win.

00:29:45.180 I think it's going to require President Trump coming to our state, which I'm sure he will do, and helping with turnout with Trump voters, Trump-Republicans coming out to make sure they vote for Senator Husted and for Vivek as our next governor.

00:29:59.980 But I think we can win, and there's also a pickup opportunity.

00:30:02.140 I think we had a good chance to beat Marcy Kaptur in that Northwest Ohio-Toledo area congressional seat.

00:30:07.240 I think we had a good chance there with our candidate, Derek Maron.

00:30:10.060 So we're looking at all that.

00:30:11.980 All right.

00:30:12.340 We needed a little shot of optimism here at the end, so that's good.

00:30:16.660 We can go to Congressman Jim Jordan for that one.

00:30:19.380 Congressman Jordan, appreciate you, sir.

00:30:20.720 Have a great 250th, and we'll talk to you soon.

00:30:23.180 You too. Take care.

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00:31:26.980 Welcome, everybody.

00:31:27.800 The third hour of Clay and Buck starts right now.

00:31:30.280 joined in studio in nyc where i got the whole team here uh my friend rafael manguello is with us he's

00:31:37.940 got a book which i'm looking at is perfectly placed behind his head you should go buy it

00:31:42.400 criminal injustice what the push for decarceration and depolicing gets wrong and who it hurts most

00:31:49.840 is quite a subtitle sir criminal injustice though a great book you should get it but before we get

00:31:54.680 into that can i can i get your take because you follow all legal stuff you follow immigration

00:31:57.820 stuff so the um i feel like i'm just gonna guess you probably think that a man is a man as a woman

00:32:03.840 is a woman and you're probably on board for uh for that easy peasy do not think macho man randy

00:32:08.300 savage should be able to like stiff arm girls on the uh that's right on the it's a great south

00:32:12.560 hockey isn't that amazing so good that's so timeless too because they did it to be like

00:32:17.400 come on we all know that's crazy and now they're like no now there's yeah yeah no no this is that's

00:32:21.640 real 240 pound guys with long hair who want to be like the female weightlifting champion and you

00:32:26.460 know it's like i'm not here to talk about my transition that's right that's right so anyway

00:32:31.040 um but on on the ruling today birthright citizenship i mean what just give me your

00:32:35.400 take and also i want to you have a really interesting story a little bit on your legal

00:32:38.800 legal immigration interesting story in your background uh but what do you think about

00:32:42.560 scotus coming down today saying you know birth uh birth tourism for example citizen no question

00:32:49.500 yeah look i mean i i i'm i'm more with the dissenters in this case i think you know the

00:32:54.080 constitutional question though a hard one i do think plays out in the direction that you know

00:32:59.260 say thomas and alito and gorsuch would have taken it um i was surprised to see uh the chief justice

00:33:04.700 in the majority in that case um but look it's a it's a somewhat you know defensible position i

00:33:10.660 think you know kavanaugh really had kind of the best of it you know where he had the right i

00:33:14.740 think constitutional interpretation but did take issue with the fact that this was done through

00:33:18.440 executive order um i think it's saying it's up to congress is i i think to me not to speak for you

00:33:24.260 but i feel like okay that's i can see that and that's real just saying that this is what the

00:33:30.180 con this is what the founders intended which is really what the majority under roberts i'm looking

00:33:34.180 at this like you guys have got to be kidding me yeah look i mean i i think it's a it's a much

00:33:37.800 harder argument to to make i think there's some real interesting sort of idiosyncrasies in terms

00:33:43.160 of like you know what the the uh sort of founding or not really founding era right because these

00:33:48.380 these are reconstruction amendments but um you know what what the the drafters had in mind at

00:33:54.360 that time i don't think that it was as broad as they say it is i think you know this idea that

00:33:59.560 simply just being subject to the laws of the united states is enough um is probably not right

00:34:04.180 but look here's an opportunity for congress to be serious right i mean if this is a major national

00:34:10.040 issue well there's only one course of action now so at at least it clarifies uh the scope of that

00:34:15.740 debate and the only move forward is something that's practically impossible which is a

00:34:19.740 constitutional amendment which you're not going to get so the audience may have figured out because

00:34:22.960 your last name is manguel that you are not of the mayflower manguel that's right not of the mayflower

00:34:27.340 so you you came here or your parents rather are are immigrants to the country my mother's an

00:34:32.640 immigrant my dad's from puerto rico i'm sorry your mother's an immigrant to the country your dad

00:34:36.220 Puerto Rico is U.S. U.S. citizens. That is right. We know that U.S. citizens. But tell this is really interesting about the D.R. tell about your dad. That was fast. My mom. I'm sorry. Your mom. So my mom. My mom is a Dominican immigrant. Came to this country in the 60s legally. My grandfather came first.

00:34:54.240 So it was one of those sort of traditional immigrant stories where he leaves his home country to set out for more opportunity here in the United States and then saves up enough to eventually send for the rest of his family, his wife and his kids.

00:35:06.480 But the way that he was able to get his visa to come here in the first place legally was that he was helping out the U.S. Marines when they landed in the Dominican Republic in the 1960s in the wake of the overthrow of the Dominican dictator, Rafael Trujillo, who was assassinated in, I think, 1961.

00:35:24.460 And that threw the country into a state of tumult.

00:35:26.960 So there were all these sort of competing factions within the military.

00:35:30.580 And my grandfather, because he spoke English and had admired America, kind of played a couple of interesting roles in his community.

00:35:38.980 One was sort of giving the rest of the neighborhood the news that was coming from the state.

00:35:44.300 So they had this radio where they could listen to U.S.-based commentary about what was going on and he could give an accurate take on that.

00:35:52.100 But he could also help feed intelligence to the Marines.

00:35:56.360 And that was how he was able to eventually get to this country, which he is a citizen of and loves deeply.

00:36:03.280 I was raised very patriotically.

00:36:05.660 My mother became a citizen at the very first opportunity and always grew up in a house with an American flag.

00:36:12.140 And it's interesting.

00:36:15.460 I mean the Dominican nationality was actually in the news recently here in New York City.

00:36:20.160 We had a congressional race, one of the three big DSA sweeps in the primaries.

00:36:25.920 The socialists, just so everyone's clear, the socialists.

00:36:28.300 The socialists.

00:36:29.020 We had Daria Lisa Avila-Chevalier, who ran for the seat in New York 13 against the incumbent, who is the head of the Hispanic caucus, Adriana Espillat.

00:36:40.760 And she beat him in a district that is heavily constituted by Dominican immigrants and Dominican descendants.

00:36:49.120 What's interesting, though, is that she won that race while losing the Dominican vote.

00:36:53.820 She won in the places around Columbia University, around Barnard College.

00:36:58.900 It was basically like grad students, and I believe black voters, too, actually went for her over Espaillat.

00:37:03.860 Espaillat, yeah. 0.81

00:37:05.000 And both her and Espaillat share a Dominican origin, right?

00:37:09.040 Her parents are Dominican.

00:37:10.420 She was born in Florida.

00:37:11.380 Espaillat is a Dominican immigrant.

00:37:12.900 Actually came to this country, I think, illegally.

00:37:14.820 You know, she was undocumented for a time, you know, but sort of rose to the ranks, traditional American story.

00:37:19.900 What was interesting is that her sort of socialist, you know, kind of leanings came into her old commentaries about the Dominican Republic itself, where she had actually said that Dominican nationalism was toxic, that it was anti Haitian, that it was anti black.

00:37:36.980 And she had made references to the Dominican flag as like the sign of violence, which actually put her on bad footing with the Dominican community who had rejected her pretty soundly.

00:37:47.380 In fact, the morning of the primary, she ended up walking off of an interview on the biggest Spanish-speaking radio station in New York City because they pressed her about what she said about the Dominican flag, and she refused to apologize.

00:37:59.260 one thing that i have observed many times but is always a complete there's a befuddlement and a 0.66

00:38:04.440 shock that particularly white leftists have in this country when they find out that non-white

00:38:09.800 people in other places around the world have their own beefs and bigotries and problems with each 0.63

00:38:15.020 other and that like even in the indian subcontinent there's racism sure among indians about skin color

00:38:21.300 i mean it's you know it's far more complicated than just you know if you uh uh you know if you

00:38:25.740 look like mit romney you can be racist and nobody else can be racist which is essentially what the

00:38:29.740 what the yeah even the asian world especially yeah one thing that i will tell you i thought

00:38:34.980 sorry i'm getting way off here we're gonna talk crime his book is criminal injustice let's go

00:38:39.020 buy copies of it he's brilliant guy it's why i have him here in studio um but uh when i was in

00:38:43.460 taiwan this past september um there's the clear i mean there's a uh for advertisements yeah they

00:38:50.200 They make they make the women whiter than white.

00:38:54.200 I mean, there's a there's they actually change people's skin color as part of which it's a weird. 0.84

00:38:59.540 You see it. You're like, what is that? 0.59

00:39:01.380 But anyway, yeah. Whole other. Otherwise, I love Taiwan.

00:39:03.880 Great place. But that was a little off putting. But so tell me criminal injustice. 0.96

00:39:08.780 OK, so we've you are we are somebody that I go to when I'm like, hey, what's really going on with the crime scenario in this city or that city?

00:39:16.180 What policies are working? What's not working? I mean, is the top line here? Basically, the entire Democrat BLM leftist movement has just been wrong about everything, made everything worse for everybody and particularly made minorities suffer more like what? What is what here? Yes, yes. And yes. I mean, you know, the BLM movement has been one of the most toxic and most dangerous movements for black America in the United States over the last several years. I mean, really starting in 2013, 2014, when that movement really kind of took off. What did they drive? They drove policies like decarceration, depolicing, bail reforms.

00:39:46.180 um, you know, raise the age reforms, which kind of raised the age, the, the, the age at which

00:39:51.120 people can be held criminally responsible. So you can't prosecute 16 and 17 year olds in New York

00:39:55.460 city anymore. Uh, essentially, right. You have to run them through family court. And that means 1.00

00:39:59.720 that they almost always get out. So you have all of these things that they did that essentially

00:40:02.780 all went in one direction, which is they raise the transaction costs of enforcing the law and

00:40:08.300 they lower the transaction costs of breaking the law. Um, when that happens, things go bad,

00:40:13.600 You get more crime. And what I think is interesting about the moment that we're in right now is that everyone's making all of this hay about the fact that crime is, you know, going down, that homicides are going to reach their near low for however many years.

00:40:28.900 What's interesting is that for the last couple of years, especially, we have walked away from all of the reformist impulses that the BLM movement pushed. 0.68

00:40:36.940 So we're seeing police around the country reassert themselves. We are seeing the incarceration rate go up. The prison population is going up for the first time in over a decade for the last two years. So I think we learned some lessons from that really toxic experiment. 0.67

00:40:52.200 But the one thing that I think don't think people appreciate enough is that the people who paid the highest price for the excesses of BLM were black Americans who saw the I think they bore almost 95 percent of the homicide spike in 2020 and 21. 0.76

00:41:06.960 Yeah, I think that that was actually part of the Rudy Giuliani New York City miracle being so far reaching and so widely appreciated was that people did see, based on the data, that there were thousands over the course of his tenure as mayor, you know, the entirety of it, if you add it up.

00:41:24.460 thousands of overwhelmingly black and some latino new york city residents who are alive walking

00:41:31.180 around and enjoying themselves day to day who would not have been there were it not for the

00:41:36.180 change in crime trajectory that affected those communities so dramatically 100 there's a study

00:41:41.720 that i cite in the book um patrick shark he was one of the authors and i couldn't disagree with

00:41:46.280 that guy more on policy by the way um but it's an interesting study what they did was they looked

00:41:50.400 at the homicide decline between 1990 and 2014 and they looked at the effect of that decline

00:41:56.080 on life expectancy by different racial groups that decline added about 0.14 years of life

00:42:02.900 expectancy to the average white man's life it added a full year of life expectancy to the average

00:42:08.500 black man's life and the reason that i brought that up in the book is it poses a very simple

00:42:12.400 question which is if the blm movement is right and the criminal justice system is racist and

00:42:17.480 policing is racist and aggressive prosecution is racist and high incarceration rates are racist

00:42:22.220 all of the things that contributed to that decline by the way why on earth with the system that's

00:42:26.760 allegedly racist toward black men in particular so disproportionately almost exclusively benefit

00:42:32.320 that same group when it achieves its stated ends ask any police chief in the country what are you 0.99

00:42:37.320 going after i want to control crime ask any law and order prosecutor why are the evil racist cops

00:42:41.760 saving so many black lives by actually policing communities yeah every single time a cop gets out 0.89

00:42:47.360 of a car and chases a bad guy down a dark alley who might or may not have a gun they're subordinating

00:42:52.500 their own safety to who to the communities that they serve it's not rich white communities that

00:42:58.080 have a problem with these mass gunmen they are putting their lives on the line for precisely

00:43:02.460 the communities that we're all supposed to believe that they hate so i mean i could ask you questions

00:43:06.560 for hours i kind of do i text him randomly he's one of these people i'm like explain this explain

00:43:10.900 he's like i'm trying to sleep with my family i'm like tell me what's going on with crime in

00:43:15.200 philadelphia these days and i appreciate that you're very uh very quick on the draw with giving

00:43:19.360 me uh your best analysis on some of this stuff but um so i've got one of those moments though

00:43:23.600 you look at el salvador yeah incredible i mean incredible miraculous level turn around it

00:43:28.820 how is it that any criminologist anyone who operates in your world of like let's look at

00:43:32.820 the facts and figures and come up with what actually works what is their response to hey

00:43:37.480 if you actually just lock lock up the bad people everyone is safer yeah no they'll ignore it they'll

00:43:41.820 say, well, they'll either ignore it or they'll lean into, you know, the kind of due process

00:43:46.600 concerns.

00:43:47.200 Well, you know, we can't just sweep 70,000 people up in one fell swoop and lock them

00:43:52.560 up.

00:43:52.760 We have to give them all fair trials and blah, blah, blah.

00:43:54.640 And you wouldn't want to live in that kind of country with that kind of power.

00:43:56.980 And look, I get it, right?

00:43:58.100 Like there are legitimate due process concerns, right?

00:44:00.720 That wouldn't work in the United States with the system that we have.

00:44:03.180 But the key insight from El Salvador is that incarceration works, man. 0.95

00:44:08.180 It works.

00:44:08.900 there's a tweet that the uh that rnc research account put out uh that i responded to uh yesterday

00:44:14.740 it was like a clip of zoran mamdani back before he was a mayoral candidate talking about prisons

00:44:20.340 and the need to abolish them and he said well what purpose do they serve and so i just quoted

00:44:24.100 the tweet and said very simply it's very it's a very easy question to answer they serve the

00:44:28.700 purpose of incapacitation somebody who is locked up in a prison cell cannot harm anybody in the

00:44:34.140 communities that they would otherwise spend their time in that's the key that's what prison does

00:44:38.320 effectively now there are secondary and tertiary you know uh purposes that prison serves like

00:44:43.680 deterrence and you know punishment and you know even rehabilitation which i think is mostly a

00:44:48.880 pipe dream because we have no idea how to do it let alone how to do it at scale but the key is

00:44:52.900 is to take people who are in the throes of a criminal uh career and take them off the street

00:44:57.660 to physically incapacitate them but when you look at homicide or any serious crime category in this

00:45:02.620 country what do you see over and over and over again whether it's arena zarutska or whatever

00:45:06.800 kind of case makes a news. It's the guy had 15 priors. The guy had 20 priors. The guy was out

00:45:11.380 on parole. The guy was out on probation. And so regular Joes in public, they ask themselves the

00:45:16.360 same question, which is what the hell is this person doing out on the street? Why? Why are 0.99

00:45:20.800 they there? And the answer to often is that we just didn't have the stomach to do what was

00:45:25.680 necessary. They have the requisite criminal history. They have the convictions. We just

00:45:30.260 chose not to put him in prison for a really long time. And if you do that, you end up protecting

00:45:34.560 a lot of people. And what El Salvador illustrates is that it works. And we know this. Yeah. I feel

00:45:39.960 like we've run this experiment. The data is in and there are people just like, no, sorry. Yeah.

00:45:43.940 Well, it makes them feel good. Right. I mean, these people have convinced themselves that

00:45:46.920 there are moral superiors. Right. And they the truth is, is they don't have to live with the

00:45:50.780 consequences of crime going up. Right. They don't live on the south or west side of Chicago. They

00:45:54.980 don't live, you know, in the southwestern district of Baltimore. They don't live in

00:45:58.840 Brownsville, Brooklyn. They don't have to deal with the fallout. Right. They would never send

00:46:03.160 their kids to school in these neighborhoods they only drive through these neighborhoods

00:46:05.900 every any democrat who wants to talk about criminal justice policy uh who is of means

00:46:12.420 should explain where do you send your kid to school exactly i'm always that's a you'd be

00:46:16.040 amazed everybody what that shows you uh criminal injustice is the book rafael mengwell is the

00:46:21.320 author go get a copy of it be smarter on crime stuff and all your lib friends you'll drive them

00:46:24.860 insane rafael will help you make the arguments that they will not be able to defeat criminal

00:46:29.140 and justice go get it um manhattan institute they're they're your employer they're smart

00:46:33.500 they are smart it's good much smarter than me i don't know what i'm doing smart to employ you

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00:49:16.180 Well, I think it's a big threat to our nation, actually.

00:49:19.320 Because it's not socialism, it's really communism.

00:49:22.420 They use the word social democrat because it sounds so nice, but it's really communism you're talking about.

00:49:28.400 I think it's the biggest threat to our nation there is, maybe since our founding.

00:49:34.300 That includes World War I, World War II, September 11th. 0.62

00:49:38.880 It includes the Pearl Harbor attack. 0.90

00:49:43.300 I think this is the biggest threat to our nation. 1.00

00:49:46.560 People will smile when I say that, but the smart people are going to say, you know, he's probably right.

00:49:51.540 It's basically introducing communism into the United States of America.

00:49:55.900 There's never been anything so dangerous.

00:49:58.440 Never been something so dangerous as communism to the United States.

00:50:04.780 You know, I am pretty amazed at how often when I have this conversation, I do like to sit around and just talk about history and things like that with people.

00:50:16.420 I don't know.

00:50:17.340 In my personal life, I don't really spend a lot of time talking about politics.

00:50:21.260 I do that so much here.

00:50:22.400 A little bit.

00:50:23.400 But I do like to just talk about history sometimes.

00:50:25.580 I mean, in social settings, you know, with people I don't know that well.

00:50:28.320 um but when i tell them that communism had the single greatest death toll far beyond

00:50:35.580 in terms of death toll fascism in the uh 20th century people sort of push back on it in their

00:50:42.700 heads they go no that can't be that can't be uh you know what about the horrors of of of when we

00:50:49.240 say fascism we really mean nazism and uh in germany in the world war ii era and of course 0.78

00:50:56.800 that's absolutely terrible very obviously horrific but you start looking at stalin

00:51:05.040 and mao and pol pot and then a whole bunch of other places that people don't often think well

00:51:13.100 cuba certainly gets in the mix of angola i mean they're all these different places

00:51:19.140 um vietnam that have been completely poisoned by communism and how many lives have been ruined

00:51:30.800 and destroyed and the fact that in that environment you could have people today

00:51:36.580 who are certainly speaking with a communist twang if not aligning with all of their policy

00:51:45.440 proposals there's something there's something about these so-called democrat socialists that

00:51:50.540 you immediately start to say hold on a second what is so different about what they want

00:51:55.900 from what not the results were in these other countries but what in the early days

00:52:00.880 they said they were going to do universal child care equal sharing of blessings for everybody

00:52:10.280 no one goes without everyone has what they need right to each according to his need from each

00:52:15.420 according to his ability whatever something like that and i i do think that it's important for the

00:52:21.640 president to be willing to just speak about this and address this i hate when they play these games

00:52:26.260 it's really it's just like a hide hide the the football game you know of oh it's not they're

00:52:32.240 not socialists they're democratic socialists they're not communist they're socialists they're

00:52:36.080 not you know they're not collectivists they're progressives they they like to try to hide in

00:52:41.980 the jargon and the the pseudoscientific nature of the way that they talk about these things

00:52:46.720 but ultimately they have a belief that you do not have individual rights that the state is in place

00:52:54.880 of god and their aims to make society better whatever that may be require as much power as

00:53:04.500 they want and however many eggs they got to break to make that omelet they're willing to do

00:53:10.400 that's really what it comes down to this is why communism is more a religion actually than a

00:53:15.540 political belief system it is a it is both i mean it is a political belief system but also a religion

00:53:20.700 at the same time because it requires a faith it requires people to dispense with what they know

00:53:26.300 of history and to forget the lessons of history intentionally to suppress them to ignore them

00:53:33.940 this time it will be different the real stuff has never been tried we have seen so much of this

00:53:40.820 and uh i think it's it's um it's very concerning honestly that this is rising you might say buck

00:53:49.580 why do we care so much there are other places where this stuff i mean in this country there

00:53:56.280 is a person who's running in colorado right now uh who i believe called the 9-11 terror attacks

00:54:04.720 inevitable uh due to u.s policy there was a piece yesterday quote after victories in new york city

00:54:11.320 democratic socialists are taking their fight against the democratic establishment to colorado

00:54:18.680 i think it's also interesting they they've created this term this this democratic socialist

00:54:24.200 uh socialists there there are plenty of places you know socialist states that

00:54:31.320 claim to be democratic that have elections so why why do they have to have this designation

00:54:37.400 they're trying to create and really an artificial separation from this um so there are other places

00:54:45.560 across the country other places across the country where this is now also having a a moment

00:54:53.220 having its time in the sun

00:54:57.140 heading into a midterm election.

00:54:59.920 And I am reminded of this quote

00:55:01.940 from Pat Buchanan,

00:55:03.960 which I will share with you all now.

00:55:06.940 There's a lot of stuff.

00:55:08.460 You go back, you read Pat.

00:55:09.640 I've done that.

00:55:10.320 I've been a fan of the Buchanan writing

00:55:16.000 for a long time.

00:55:18.240 He wrote this,

00:55:19.200 wherever communism has triumphed,

00:55:22.320 Churches have been gutted, priests massacred, and children indoctrinated into their communist lies.

00:55:30.580 The family has been subordinated to the state, and the betrayal of friends has become a matter of duty.

00:55:39.980 Man, that nails it. Totally true.

00:55:42.720 Really hits on a lot of it as well.

00:55:44.840 That's why I know Rush loved the movie The Lives of Others, so true.

00:55:47.400 such a good movie because it really gets to that the core of the communist project the collectivist

00:55:54.020 authoritarian ideology is the cause is more important than everything it is more important

00:56:03.200 than your love for your own children it is more important than your love for your parents or your

00:56:07.720 spouse or it has to override everything because it will inherently fail and do terrible things

00:56:16.820 along the way and you have to find the people that are engaged in it in the communism if you will

00:56:23.140 they need some way to justify what they are doing the only way you can justify the atrocities that

00:56:30.180 communism always falls into along the way is to create a ends justify the means and this means

00:56:38.900 more than anything reality oh boy i'm saying this now i'm gonna get texts about this congress

00:56:44.820 revisit cia mk ultra program oh boy oh boy i looked into mk ultra for my book guys if we could

00:56:56.720 do the stuff that people think the cia could do don't you think we do it a lot more oh i know

00:57:03.860 people are gonna get mad people are gonna get mad we can't people can't decide if the cia is like a

00:57:09.160 bunch of uh worthless bureaucrats sitting around doing nothing or a team of evil geniuses who can

00:57:14.180 create manchurian candidates at will uh it's really a lot it's honestly a lot of people 0.59

00:57:19.600 punching into a clock who were like yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna write some emails and get out

00:57:24.600 of here as soon as i can today that's the reality of it for the most part for most of the people

00:57:28.740 work there uh but back to the communism thing the fact that trump is speaking out and i think is a

00:57:33.580 good thing uh there's also a i just want to get to this guy mentioned at the top of the show as

00:57:39.000 you know big the big deal today was birthright citizenship upheld by the court which is

00:57:42.980 i think madness but it is what it is uh this is where we are the slow dissolution of our republic

00:57:52.980 it seems continues at least as it pertains to sovereignty and immigration and but we're going

00:57:58.880 to keep fighting and we'll figure it out we will figure it out but there's this other

00:58:02.740 the transgender case that was the right ruling although i do think the uh i do think the reality

00:58:10.960 here is it should be shocking to anyone that someone on the Supreme Court could sit there

00:58:17.860 and say, you know what, there really should be men competing against women's sports, and

00:58:25.640 that doesn't somehow break down the distinction between men and women's sports.

00:58:29.700 That is troubling.

00:58:31.880 So we have the right outcome, but it also should not really put you at ease because

00:58:36.820 they're not giving up on this.

00:58:37.860 They're not going to walk away from this.

00:58:40.960 but here's the case today national republican senatorial committee this is the other one

00:58:45.600 versus federal election committee so the nrsc versus the fec six three ruling i think you can

00:58:53.180 guess who the three are the court struck down long-standing federal limits under the federal

00:58:58.640 election campaign act on the amount political parties can spend in coordination with their

00:59:04.620 candidates for federal office these are known as coordinated party expenditure limits so parties

00:59:12.520 had faced caps on spending when done in coordination with a candidate these were being treated like

00:59:19.280 direct contributions to prevent circumvention of those contribution limits and reduce corruption

00:59:25.500 risks this comes from the post-watergate reforms have been upheld by the supreme court back in

00:59:30.700 2001 so the court opinion by justice kavanaugh held these limits violate the first amendment

00:59:38.020 political spending is protected speech the limits are not justified by anti-corruption interests

00:59:43.760 in light of evolving campaign finance precedents so there you go totally ideological lines by the

00:59:48.460 way the three communists on the court saying no we want to keep this uh we want to keep these

00:59:53.400 restrictions in place you'll know there's always this trend about the the the left in america they

00:59:59.280 want more power than the right does because they will use it because the notion that people can

01:00:08.020 live freely and in liberty and make more and more of their own choices upsets the left you're not

01:00:14.220 supposed to you're supposed to be a part of the hive mind and you're supposed to go along

01:00:20.600 with whatever they want that is what they would like to see right they do not believe that there

01:00:28.700 is a liberty interest that is more important than their state big s state project um trump by the

01:00:35.120 way on i was trying to find this before on truth social he wrote the supreme court just took

01:00:39.860 restrictions off political spending all caps a big win for republicans and more importantly

01:00:46.680 the first amendment so he's very he's very happy about this and uh the republicans are are pleased

01:00:54.760 about this because the democrats always want to be able to infringe on speech for their own

01:01:03.080 political purposes they see no problem with it they can they can find they can live with the

01:01:07.920 cognitive dissonance easily they can say well yeah you know this is free speech except what

01:01:14.360 you're saying is so bad it's not covered and they never see a problem with this i mean it's emotion

01:01:20.140 driven it's once again ends justify the need uh ends justify the means but they like to be in a

01:01:28.060 position to abuse the first amendment so they can stay in power and none of this should be uh really

01:01:35.860 all that surprising so that was a that was a good decision right i'm trying to bring you up with a

01:01:40.380 bring into the picture here a good decision and that is something that uh we can all be happy

01:01:50.600 with for a second look at that trump is very happy about it so you got two good minor decisions today

01:01:55.940 pretty much i don't know the trans one if they had gone against us on the trans one then it would be

01:02:01.600 smoke them if you got them the republic is finished nothing means anything anymore uh you know up is

01:02:07.100 down we are living in the you know in an alternate universe so yes i'm glad that's not the case but 0.82

01:02:14.120 it's tough to get too excited about that with the the trans athlete case but on the uh yeah the

01:02:19.280 birthright citizenship today it was that was a little bit of a tough one little bit of a tough

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