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00:00:04.760 Welcome back in the Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.

00:00:08.020 We got some great guests coming your way in the next couple of hours,

00:00:10.600 but we have got tomorrow, Buck,

00:00:12.800 you mentioned that the Supreme Court is going to be hearing oral arguments

00:00:16.160 on whether birthright citizenship should or should not be the law of the land.

00:00:21.420 And look, I'm not optimistic that the Supreme Court is going to be willing

00:00:25.300 to do what I think they should do,

00:00:26.920 which is say that this whole concept of that citizenship by soil as opposed to citizenship by blood,

00:00:35.380 which we'll get into some tomorrow, is going to be really interesting to hear how those questions come down.

00:00:41.720 But in the meantime, we did have a Supreme Court ruling that came down 8-1 a little bit earlier today,

00:00:50.180 right before, in fact, we came on the air.

00:00:51.960 Eight to one Supreme Court ruling saying that a law in Colorado which tried to ban conversion therapy, which we'll get into a bit, was unconstitutional.

00:01:03.540 The only the only justice that lined up and said, hey, I think this ban was constitutional, was Ketanji Brown Jackson.

00:01:13.820 And even Elena Kagan went after Ketanji Brown-Jackson, who filed a 35-page dissent.

00:01:23.620 And it is, look, I think the last curse of the Joe Biden era is unfortunately going to be with us for a generation plus,

00:01:33.920 which is he put a wholly unqualified far left-wing politician, not a judge,

00:01:41.020 far left-wing politician on the court, and even left-wingers on the court

00:01:46.440 are, I think, frankly, embarrassed that Ketanji Brown-Jackson is there.

00:01:52.700 And Buck, even Elena Kagan, who, whatever you want to say about Elena Kagan,

00:01:56.320 she is a smart, principled leftist jurist, but understands how the law works.

00:02:02.420 i think former dean of harvard law school um you may not agree with her but you're going to read

00:02:07.740 her opinion and say there is a foundation of constitutional jurisprudence under um under

00:02:14.140 girding her opinions that is not occurring here and uh unfortunately katanji brown jackson basically

00:02:22.980 is is is going to be worthless for generations just to give everybody a little bit of a little

00:02:27.720 bit of a background on this right so the supreme court clay mentioned eight one decision chiles

00:02:32.980 versus salazar chiles v salazar and so kaylee chiles was a licensed christian mental health

00:02:41.340 counselor in colorado who was giving talk therapy to people and she was working with clients who

00:02:48.760 wanted to reduce same-sex attraction the state of colorado has a had a law in place and there are

00:02:59.660 other states with this that prohibits people who are this was a licensed therapist prohibits

00:03:04.920 licensed therapists from working with people at their request to talk through and reduce

00:03:12.320 same-sex attraction or gay attraction right and meanwhile they also had a law this is the part of

00:03:20.680 it that was really telling you what's going on by the way what happened to colorado i used to think

00:03:25.200 of colorado as like cowboys in the mountains and now it's like communists running wild uh it's it's

00:03:33.360 just gotten completely the politics there yeah and remember buck they the colorado supreme court

00:03:39.080 is such a mess that they said it was constitutional everybody forgets democrats tried to take trump

00:03:45.520 off the ballot in colorado supreme court said you can do this the united state supreme court

00:03:51.940 said 9-0 you can't it's hard to get 9-0 i know i know even jackson think about that even jack

00:03:58.020 crazy katanji brown jackson was like guys you went too far think about how stupid that is

00:04:02.480 a state thought that they could remove a person from the ballot who had no criminal conviction

00:04:08.580 and no constitutional bar to running?

00:04:11.060 Think about how insane that is.

00:04:12.680 Yes.

00:04:12.900 I mean, did anyone actually ever,

00:04:14.920 and there were people going in MSNBC,

00:04:16.620 I'm a legal scholar, you know, I defend this, you know.

00:04:19.520 Anyway, back to this gender therapy

00:04:22.800 or same-sex attraction therapy stuff.

00:04:25.300 Clay, if somebody went in, though,

00:04:27.020 seeking therapy to make them more trans,

00:04:31.160 that was under the law, yes.

00:04:33.480 You could make somebody more,

00:04:35.100 you could push somebody down the trans path,

00:04:37.300 But you could not push them back from the edge of the gay path, essentially.

00:04:43.000 And so the law was was clearly I mean, this is obviously First Amendment discrimination.

00:04:48.820 There's no eight eight justices found this to be First Amendment discrimination.

00:04:53.480 Katanji Brown Jackson decided that words were medical care in this context.

00:04:59.420 So essentially, she was treating this like a surgery.

00:05:02.980 And so if you tell somebody, hey, maybe you're not gay.

00:05:06.460 maybe you're just in a moment of confusion in your sexuality you know you're but this was for

00:05:10.740 minors mind you so these are including teenagers um maybe you're not gay maybe you're having a

00:05:15.660 moment let's talk this through that's like doing a a unchangeable surgery on somebody which by the

00:05:22.960 way they do on the other side for the trans people um they actually do surgery but words here were

00:05:29.920 being treated by can't change brown jackson uh jackson i mean she really is she's the msnbc

00:05:34.800 comment section made into a supreme court justice she is untethered to the law and unhinged when it

00:05:42.980 comes to the constitution it kind of gave you a sense that there was a discomfort with her being

00:05:49.780 on the supreme court where a lot of times they're very collegial relationships even across different

00:05:55.680 perspectives on how to apply constitutional jurisprudence scalia and rbg were tight that's

00:06:02.060 a great example they were very good friends even though intellectually they disagreed very often

00:06:07.880 there was a acceptance of a principal disagreement on how to apply the law across to Buck's point

00:06:16.460 Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsburg both very smart and had different readings Elena Kagan I think

00:06:23.160 that there are a lot of people out there who say hey I may not agree with her you know renderings

00:06:28.760 of judgment but I trust the intellectual heft that she is bringing to bear on those opinions

00:06:34.000 when Amy Coney Barrett buck I thought it was very significant Amy Coney Barrett does not seem like

00:06:40.120 the kind of person who wants to take a two by four to people very often she seems like what she is

00:06:44.740 a mom who tries to be kind and some of her responses to Ketanji Brown Jackson were the

00:06:51.960 equivalent judicially of just throwing your hands up in the air and saying I can't even stomach

00:06:58.220 these arguments they're embarrassing they don't recognize any past precedent um and elena kagan

00:07:04.880 kind of did that in this 8-1 opinion again on the left elena kagan kind of saying like come on

00:07:12.380 this is an utterly ridiculous to your point buck i think it's a you know blue sky uh reddit board

00:07:19.920 far left wing take and that's fine if you have to far left wing takes but being a judge who does

00:07:28.320 this is just again i think the final uh final awful echo and reverberation of the biden

00:07:36.600 administration that unfortunately is going to be with us for generations and he told us that he was

00:07:43.260 going to limit the limit the pool to black female jurists which given the actual interpretation of

00:07:50.720 the constitution in most recent years is really not okay not allowed to do that i don't know how

00:07:57.600 you i don't know what you can do about the legality of such a thing but clay if you if we put out a

00:08:02.460 let's just say we put out a job opening for this show and we said hey guys great opening you know

00:08:09.040 we got we got great producers here we're gonna have a fabulous team for you to work with we're

00:08:13.800 only hiring black women for this job yeah we would be sued and we would lose yes no question

00:08:19.240 and by the way rightly so like that would be a clear violation of of uh the standards that you

00:08:26.900 can use under the constitution and under non-discrimination and employment that's how

00:08:31.140 he set up a supreme court appointment he said it out loud too it's not it's not like we're

00:08:36.080 we're surmising this he said it out loud and and you have somebody who is just i i agree with you

00:08:42.880 by the way i don't i see things differently than kagan but i respect that she's at least trying

00:08:47.820 to stay within the law yeah katanji brown jackson you know what she's going to do more or less

00:08:54.200 based upon what your standard msnbc watching leftist wants to happen yeah which is not the

00:09:02.300 way it's supposed to be yeah and again it's not even a judge opinion it's just crazy left-wing

00:09:11.200 opinion and i said this at the time kataji brown jackson's appointment under federal law was

00:09:16.920 unconstitutional what do i mean by that you are not allowed under federal law to say i am only

00:09:23.540 going to consider a black woman for a job first of all it's demeaning to the black woman because

00:09:30.200 if you pick a black woman for a job and you've eliminated what is it 97 percent i think of

00:09:36.360 lawyers 98 percent maybe even were eliminated on their face when biden said i'm only going to pick

00:09:43.600 a black woman so you're saying i'm only picking a judge from two percent of the legal community

00:09:49.220 and then he picked one that was not particularly uh astute or talented in the black female legal

00:09:58.620 can we can we unpack this first and let's unpack this for a second he picked her she had been a

00:10:03.800 judge before okay did she have a leg up in that appointment because she was a black woman yes

00:10:09.080 the only reason she got the job in the first place was because she was a black woman right

00:10:13.800 but i'm saying yeah you know just keep keep working it back yeah oh oh she went she went

00:10:17.660 to harvard law okay what were her lsats yeah did she have a like we we know that that tradition

00:10:23.700 that generally speaking overwhelmingly black students of her age uh that went to harvard

00:10:30.580 would have had a tremendous benefit from their race that as we know the supreme court has actually

00:10:36.420 said you were not supposed to have you're not supposed to have that that's wrong so you can

00:10:41.620 work it all the way back and people because when you'll say oh she's not qualified they'll say well

00:10:45.320 she was a judge before and she went to harvard law yeah well did she have those things because

00:10:49.220 she was a black female these are these are entirely valid questions which i know until

00:10:55.360 recently we're told we're not allowed to ask these questions but actually no you can ask these

00:10:58.480 questions um because like we said elena kagan is a uh is is a you know a gay woman she's a lesbian

00:11:05.640 um she's a very talented lawyer and she's very very smart yeah so it's not about identity but

00:11:12.820 the left makes it about identity there are black women who would be great on the supreme court

00:11:17.760 there are black women who would absolutely deserve that job i don't think that uh katanji brown

00:11:24.020 jackson is one of them i agree and that's just you know observing what we can all see here

00:11:29.820 because they they never say look at the look at the depth and clarity of the opinions i know they

00:11:35.060 have staffs but the opinions put out on her look at the depth and clarity clay she speaks like five

00:11:39.480 times as much as all the other jerks together or something i mean it's not that much but it's a lot

00:11:43.860 Well, and again, that goes to I think that she has broken a lot of the collegial norms.

00:11:49.400 I think a lot of people are fed up with her on the court.

00:11:52.640 And I think even leftists are of the opinion like Elena Kagan is where they just kind of roll their eyes and say this is a poor choice.

00:12:01.480 And she's going to be there, Buck, for 30 more years.

00:12:03.880 A very long time.

00:12:04.660 But also, it's a reminder, Biden, we got sold on Biden to the degree that we were actually sold on him.

00:12:11.780 just let's let's let's just take let's move past that for a second you know the country was sold

00:12:16.460 on biden so to speak as the uniter clay and as he's not a radical well what better what better

00:12:22.300 example can you have of the actual radicalism and practice of the biden administration which

00:12:28.940 we could sit here and we did for years talk about it but you know whether it's the covet stuff or

00:12:33.720 the spending or the trans policies or the wide open border joe biden was the trojan horse for

00:12:41.240 far left obamaist policy if you will and there's no better example of him being a far left

00:12:48.420 figurehead than katanji brown jackson that's the supreme that's the moderate supreme court

00:12:54.120 justice that we get from a biden administration also remember that he picked kamala harris after

00:13:00.680 saying he would pick a woman as his running mate and eliminating all men from consideration

00:13:06.280 and then he took it a step further by saying i will only pick a black woman um and uh and the

00:13:13.740 result is i think we have ended up with the least qualified most political supreme court justice in

00:13:19.940 any of our lives and i was just looking up to see how old she is um and unfortunately buck

00:13:25.640 we're gonna probably have her if uh if age is any uh expectation for another 30 years i would also

00:13:33.260 So point this out as we go to break here.

00:13:35.720 Supreme Court requires a majority Senate approval.

00:13:39.960 There is a possibility out there that Republicans could lose the Supreme Court,

00:13:45.160 could lose the Senate in November,

00:13:46.940 and that Trump basically would not be able to get anybody appointed.

00:13:51.200 Just like with Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who thought, hey, I'm going to live forever,

00:13:55.460 and left behind the opportunity to have Obama be able to appoint her replacement.

00:14:00.780 look at this situation right now we've got clarence thomas around 75 we've got alito around 74 if i'm

00:14:08.840 not mistaken it may be five or six years until republicans have what they have now which is

00:14:16.400 control of the senate and the presidency to be able to control who gets on the supreme court

00:14:21.960 everybody who gets into their 70s seems to think that they're going to live forever and be healthy

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00:16:10.160 All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

00:16:13.820 Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:16:17.160 We bring in the View's most hated villain, Isabel Brown,

00:16:22.260 who had the audacity to suggest that people get married and have kids.

00:16:27.440 And true to form, I believe you have a young child in the background,

00:16:30.620 but that child is sleeping, I think I've been told right now.

00:16:33.540 So if she starts to scream, everything is fine,

00:16:36.400 but you are living as you have preached.

00:16:39.180 Buck was pointing out, I got married when I was 25, Isabel,

00:16:42.760 and we had our first kid when I was 28.

00:16:47.580 He is now going off to college this coming fall,

00:16:51.340 and it's the best decision that I ever made.

00:16:54.400 We're fortunate to have three, and I got started somewhat young

00:16:58.240 for a lot of men, at least, who go to school for a long time.

00:17:02.400 What has your experience been like,

00:17:04.080 and what has the reaction to the view attacking you been like?

00:17:08.600 because I just think this is amazing that you got attacked for telling people get married and have

00:17:12.980 kids is a way to be happy. Yeah, you know, Clay, I'll say first, I love that the views most hated

00:17:18.200 woman. I might have to make that my Instagram bio moving forward. That's pretty fun. And in true

00:17:23.380 working mom fashion, as expected, based on what happened yesterday, we're in a crazy busy schedule.

00:17:28.420 So thank you guys for all bearing with me. Clearly, I'm on the road between a million different news

00:17:32.800 hits today. My daughter is speaking in the background. But truly, like you said, this has

00:17:36.980 been the greatest honor of my lifetime. I had a baby at 28 as well. She'll be one at the end of

00:17:41.840 next month. And though I am still a working mom and working full time, my relationship with my

00:17:46.500 husband and my relationship with my daughter will be infinitely more important to me than my paycheck

00:17:50.680 than at any other time in my life, especially right now. So I had the audacity to share that

00:17:55.800 on stage at CPAC last week. As part of a question, I was asked on a larger panel about the importance

00:18:01.660 of family. And never in my wildest dreams as a conservative podcaster did I expect that would be

00:18:08.000 what The View is attempting to cancel me over. Yet here we are, where someone like Whoopi Goldberg

00:18:12.980 has the audacity to actually look in the camera and say, if you tell women to have as many children

00:18:18.480 as they want to, then I'm sending you back to the past, insinuating that that is not a valid choice

00:18:24.960 and you should not want children if you are a member of Generation Z in this country. I, for

00:18:30.660 one, I'm really grateful because the demons are getting pretty loud, but it's so obvious to me

00:18:35.100 which side is for American families and for actual women's empowerment in 2026.

00:18:40.340 You know, Isabel, I have to tell you, I think that the message that you're putting out there

00:18:44.440 and you're a great messenger for it. And I really mean this. I hope that you can get out and,

00:18:50.760 and speak, you know, just to as many young women, especially who are on that, you know,

00:18:57.900 starting off that career track, you know, they want to make partner at Goldman

00:19:02.100 or they want to be, you know, a partner at Cravath or whatever, you know,

00:19:06.380 whatever those are big names in New York City.

00:19:09.380 You know, they want to be the law firm in D.C. or the big law firm in Atlanta

00:19:12.800 or they want to be the marketing firm in Chicago.

00:19:15.480 And there's so much in the culture that tells them, wait, wait, wait,

00:19:20.180 grind it out like a guy in your 20s in terms of the hours.

00:19:24.260 I got to tell you, because I'm on the other side of this, you know,

00:19:26.980 you're so young that i can ask your age what are you you're like you're you're not even 30 yet are

00:19:30.600 you how old are you i am 28 yeah you're 28 so you're you're a youngin i mean you're you're

00:19:35.540 you're a young blood i'm i'm 44 clay is like 70 i don't even know how old clay is like clay is like

00:19:42.440 he's like he's like gandalf the wizard on this show and and i sit here and i say i have so many

00:19:48.840 peers women my age that i grew up with particularly in new york and they turned around at 40 and maybe

00:19:55.180 they had the big career maybe they didn't but they turn around and said okay time to find a guy and

00:20:00.780 get married because they deprioritized it and it didn't happen and they're so unhappy about it and

00:20:08.000 they tell me this and for the view not to be honest with with its audience about this i think

00:20:13.220 is just really just really disgraceful disgraceful is a perfect word for it and honestly what's even

00:20:19.360 more disturbing to me is that every single woman sitting around that table yesterday except for one

00:20:24.540 has children and every one of them except for one has either been married in the past or is

00:20:29.740 currently married the one who isn't is engaged to be married so it's good enough for them and

00:20:34.600 they're able to make this working mom lifestyle work but it's not good enough for general people

00:20:39.620 who apparently can't afford to spend four hundred thousand dollars on child care every year talk

00:20:46.080 about just blatant propaganda and lies and what's really sad to me too beyond all of this clan buck

00:20:51.380 is that as a working mom in particular,

00:20:53.780 I realized that there are sacrifices

00:20:55.600 that have to be made everywhere

00:20:56.840 in order to make that type of lifestyle work.

00:20:59.360 My mom, as a working mom, always famously said,

00:21:01.580 you can have it all, but not at the same time.

00:21:03.280 And you need a great team behind you to make that happen.

00:21:06.060 But how unbelievably pathetic

00:21:08.360 with the bigotry of low expectations to tell women

00:21:11.120 that it is not possible to have a thriving career

00:21:13.780 and to have children.

00:21:15.000 Look at our second lady of the United States.

00:21:17.040 Look at the White House press secretary.

00:21:18.740 Look at partners in law firms and news anchors and entrepreneurs and investment bankers all over this country who are figuring out a way to manage both, but more importantly, to prioritize their family and share that with their children in the process.

00:21:32.640 If you are a young woman listening to this today thinking you cannot have a career and a family at the same time, you absolutely can.

00:21:38.080 And stop letting Democrats tell you that's not possible.

00:21:40.800 Well, and look, thank you for coming on with us.

00:21:43.180 And we've talked about this with you before.

00:21:44.520 To me, having a baby is actually the most important thing that a couple can do because this is one where I don't think it gets any attention.

00:21:55.160 Everybody wants to talk about catastrophes and how awful things can be.

00:21:59.540 Many of the greatest Western civilizations in the world are having their population collapse.

00:22:05.240 Japan, Italy, many parts of the United States.

00:22:09.540 Because if women don't have an average of 2.1 children, then the population collapses in a hurry.

00:22:15.560 I was looking at the data on South Korea the other day.

00:22:18.140 I think in South Korea, it's less than one child.

00:22:20.960 So while you're focusing on the United States, this is actually a Western civilization, highly educated, major issue that is occurring across the world right now.

00:22:31.720 We used to talk about being too much population.

00:22:34.140 there's a legitimate argument that the population of the world has already peaked and has begun to

00:22:40.100 collapse and you know that's that doesn't seem ideal to me no not ideal in fact the ladies of

00:22:46.520 the view screamed about how we have eight billion people on the planet what's a few more why why do

00:22:51.140 we need to have a few more in fact 55 percent of the countries on the face of this planet that

00:22:55.860 make up two-thirds of the world's population are below replacement rate meaning they're not having

00:23:01.080 2.1 children per family we are not in an overpopulation crisis we are in a severely

00:23:05.920 underpopulation crisis and it's time for us all to pitch in because we love humanity and we want

00:23:11.360 it to continue to thrive one other thing here i think it's important uh isabel cost um people

00:23:19.040 throughout history have managed to raise children you mentioned the view said it costs four hundred

00:23:24.360 thousand dollars or whatever the heck they said um it buck and i were just talking about this

00:23:29.640 I think that having children actually makes parents make more rational choices and put themselves in better positions than they would be if they didn't have children, because your stakes as a provider go up so much more significantly than if you're just a single person.

00:23:49.780 In other words, I think career success often follows parenthood as opposed to the reverse.

00:23:56.420 absolutely correct we're covering this at length in my full unadulterated response to the view from

00:24:02.920 my episode of my podcast but it turns out a new study that came out last year actually found my

00:24:08.500 daughter wants to weigh in that your wealth throughout your lifetime goes up by 23 percent

00:24:13.960 if you have children because you are making those smarter decisions in investing for your future

00:24:18.880 and saving for retirement making sure you're providing for your family this lie that all of

00:24:24.040 of a sudden a the most important thing is your bank account is insane but b that all of a sudden

00:24:28.380 you're going to be severely impoverished and living in poverty for the rest of your life if

00:24:33.000 you have a child is truly just another arm of the propaganda that they must peddle in order to

00:24:37.880 convince young women to abandon the idea of a family do you feel like we're speaking isabel

00:24:42.760 brown of the daily wire gotta give some shout outs go check out her podcast because she's got

00:24:46.800 kids to feed uh but if we're speaking to isabel brown about what's going on here in this conversation

00:24:52.600 that she's taken on just by telling women the truth

00:24:55.960 and the women of The View taking umbrage, really.

00:24:59.940 And I think that's the proper word, umbrage.

00:25:01.480 Some of it is just their Trump derangement, of course.

00:25:03.900 They're like, how could you have kids

00:25:05.200 in a world where Donald Trump is president?

00:25:07.620 It's like, I don't know, to not have kids

00:25:10.140 because Trump is president is certifiably insane

00:25:12.320 and should probably institutionalize

00:25:13.640 if that's your point of view.

00:25:14.900 But beyond that, I feel like the culture

00:25:16.980 is starting to change.

00:25:19.000 There's a shift now, Isabel,

00:25:20.560 where it's not considered anti-women or anti-female,

00:25:24.820 or at least you can't be shouted down the same way for saying things like,

00:25:27.680 one, being a mom for most moms that I've ever talked to,

00:25:31.540 and I know a lot of moms, I'm married to one, and I had one,

00:25:34.700 that being a mom is the job that they revere the most of all jobs.

00:25:40.880 And number two, that sure, if you want to pursue a career,

00:25:44.140 if you have a certain area of excellence that you want to pursue in the workplace,

00:25:47.340 that's fine.

00:25:47.920 there's nothing wrong with being a mom and taking a break from that and going back to it later that

00:25:54.420 i just feel like you know i had so many women in my class at amherst i'll just speak to my

00:25:58.800 personal experience i'll speak from the eye perspective who went into investment banking

00:26:03.120 and clay i remember thinking at the time that's a horrible idea because all the guys who are doing

00:26:09.500 it are going to crash out they're not going to last more than a few years for the most part

00:26:14.400 they're going to try to transition to other areas of finance they were essentially mortgaging their

00:26:18.700 20s to make money in abundance so that they could then be a provider for a family later on

00:26:24.700 women don't have to make these same choices they don't have to compete in areas like this if they

00:26:31.160 don't want to and i just feel like they're being pushed into this in a lot of capacity again they

00:26:35.160 should have the freedom to do whatever they want work-wise i get that but i feel like the culture

00:26:38.900 has shifted and it's they're telling women you can be a mom it's okay you can be a mom young and

00:26:43.740 it's okay. You can pick a career later and it's okay. You're absolutely right. And I do think it

00:26:50.060 also matters if I can jump in here for a second to say there is a gender divide here that matters

00:26:54.920 very, very deeply. Recently, Pew Research found that for young men under 35, their number one

00:27:00.580 and number two political priorities are to get married and to have children. But for women under

00:27:05.480 35, whether you voted for Donald Trump or Kamala Harris in the last major election, that's their

00:27:10.140 second to last priority politically speaking at the personal level and at the country level it's

00:27:15.920 because of this propaganda that's being directly targeted to young women in particular and why it

00:27:21.460 matters for female voices and these beautiful feminine uh voices with influence people like

00:27:26.680 brett cooper and riley gains and ali beth stuckey promoting the joy of motherhood to this generation

00:27:31.880 that's how we continue to continue shifting that culture uh the same way you just mentioned but

00:27:36.640 buck the trend of all of this crazy stuff we see on the view and the likes of other network shows

00:27:41.720 i want to let you talk to young women on this in particular but buck and i were just talking about

00:27:47.180 it before you came on there is a biological difference between men and women when it comes

00:27:52.820 to having children particularly if women out there are thinking hey i'd like to have two or i'd like

00:27:58.600 to have three which is i think why population is often collapsing because if women wait until

00:28:03.800 they're 35 to have their first kid the math on having multiple kids becomes very difficult if

00:28:08.940 men wait until they're 35 to have their first kid and marry younger we don't have the same

00:28:13.820 biological constraints does part of this tie in to trying to convince women that men and women

00:28:19.500 are exactly equal biologically i i see this as connected with like men being able to play women's

00:28:25.620 sports and all these things there's a big difference between the sexes and women are being

00:28:30.340 sold a bill of goods men don't have to think about babies frankly as early as women do yeah

00:28:35.520 well clay that's so oppressive of you how dare you yes remotely is a biological difference between

00:28:42.320 men and women uh the women of the view actually pointed this out yesterday on the show that we're

00:28:46.460 all one group of women and i'm realizing now they're admitting that you do need a uterus in

00:28:52.020 order to qualify as a woman it's impossible to be a woman with a penis so glad we arrived here in

00:28:57.200 2026. All of that said, there's certainly a biological component to all of this. And I don't

00:29:02.320 find it coincidental that as you've seen the decline of the American family from the numbers

00:29:07.080 perspective and the decline in our fertility rate, you're also watching one in seven married

00:29:12.480 couples today trying to conceive, facing what they're calling unexplained infertility, because

00:29:17.360 this is waiting so much later in life to when you're facing all kinds of issues that's also

00:29:21.380 being exacerbated by our food supply and the pharmaceutical industry. But the reason the

00:29:25.940 fertility rate is the lowest it's been in a hundred years in america today in 2026 is largely

00:29:31.420 because women are just choosing not to have kids that is a severe problem it's something that you

00:29:37.000 don't have the opportunity to go back in time and reverse and needs to be messaged to women while

00:29:41.720 they're young and that ability is before them women should have kids in their 20s biologically

00:29:45.940 that's just the reality yeah isn't it strange that to say that it's almost like you can't say

00:29:51.040 anymore or at least they try to make you not say that women do not in fact have penises you're also

00:29:57.100 not allowed to say that biologically it's best for women they have a highest chance of success

00:30:02.060 the highest chance of a successful pregnancy all those things in their 20s in their 30s yes too but

00:30:06.980 it starts to go down in your 40s you're talking about really it's called the geriatric pregnancy

00:30:11.500 over 35 it's high risk for a reason that's what it is called so anyway you got to keep speaking

00:30:18.340 the truth on this is about we appreciate you uh go to the daily wireless isabel brown and also

00:30:22.760 just note the little baby in the background perfect perfect for this conversation i gotta

00:30:27.580 say it's it's like you know the women of the view may all be moms but this is what real working mom

00:30:34.520 life looks like it's not in a multi-million dollar tv studio and yeah it's the most beautiful thing

00:30:39.100 i've ever done it's worth pursuing if you're listening to this yeah even the ones on the

00:30:42.740 view who are moms i doubt they've ever changed a diaper themselves i think the staff does that

00:30:46.240 for them but that's another conversation thanks so much as well great to talk to you you know

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00:32:29.100 20% off. News you can count on and some laughs to Clay Travis at Buck Sexton. Find them on the

00:32:38.560 free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in hour number three, Clay

00:32:44.540 Travis, Buck Sexton show. We are rolling through the program. We're going to have from NASA,

00:32:50.340 Jared Isaacman on at the bottom of the program as the launch date for Artemis is set to happen

00:32:57.680 tomorrow uh assuming the weather remains strong uh and in good stead there we are rolling through

00:33:05.340 the program i want to mention you stock market up nearly a thousand points as the overall um

00:33:11.300 uh temperature i think it's fair to say in iran is being dialed back we've got a lot of different

00:33:17.500 topics to get into with our guests now chip roy running for attorney general of texas

00:33:23.220 and we'll get into some major domestic politics related issues but uh congressman right off the

00:33:29.520 top let's just kind of obviously the iran story is huge uh you talk with the white house quite a lot

00:33:36.520 uh you know the oil and gas industry well as you represent the state of texas if the president were

00:33:43.260 to ask your advice um as it pertains to where we are about a month into the strikes on iran

00:33:49.820 you would tell him what as it pertains to the best possible outcome at this point

00:33:54.600 well clay great to be on i mean first of all i think what the president's doing uh

00:33:59.320 is uh important uh for resetting the entire field over there and he's putting a lot of pressure uh

00:34:05.420 on our enemies to be blunt russia china uh who are feeling the strain of this and even europe

00:34:11.420 who have not been stepping up their uh uphold their end of the bargain as he noted today so

00:34:15.580 You guys should go over here and invest in order to open up the straits.

00:34:19.080 Now, the good news is we've seen a lot of the oil moving through the straits.

00:34:21.820 I think my advice, which I would offer very carefully because he's the commander in chief, he's in charge of our national security foreign policy.

00:34:30.180 But my advice is, look, stay the course on making sure we take out Iran's offensive capabilities, both conventional and nuclear.

00:34:38.940 Stay the course on doing that.

00:34:40.400 That was the long term threat.

00:34:41.680 That's why they've had the destabilization over the last five decades.

00:34:44.340 but but not to get too invested in this such that we're in a quagmire where we've got boots on the

00:34:50.340 ground and a massive expenditure like the american people don't really want to go down that road so

00:34:54.660 let's let's knock out their capabilities let's keep up the diplomatic pressure let's put pressure

00:34:59.620 on the rest of the world to step up and and stop iran from continuing to have the threats that

00:35:04.400 they have and uh and then we can get back in the business of worrying about the election in the

00:35:08.440 fall i'm going to say credit to the president you know politically people have said don't do this

00:35:12.520 Right. And he saw the moment to go try to knock the knees out from under Iran, both for our benefit, obviously, to support our ally Israel, but importantly, to reset the global geopolitical landscape.

00:35:22.620 And he's done that. I just my caution is do not get, you know, mired in a quagmire with respect to troops on the ground over there for any extended period of time.

00:35:32.880 Congressman, appreciate you being with us. It's Buck. Can we talk about this situation of the DHS and TSA and the funding and and where this all stands?

00:35:40.620 Now, it looks like and we think that it might have had some of its at least genesis on this show with an idea from a caller.

00:35:47.620 But it looks like the ice backfill of TSA agents has at least alleviated some of the strain at the airports.

00:35:55.560 And now where does all of this stand with Congress?

00:35:58.940 The whole thing is just such a disgrace that people's, you know, vacations, work trips, all this stuff were ruined so that Chuck Schumer could could could nag us all about ICE enforcement.

00:36:11.500 What what is the status of the funding and what happens next?

00:36:15.940 Well, I think everybody saw last week.

00:36:18.080 I just want to give a big shout out to Speaker Mike Johnson for doing, I think, the right thing of having the House of Representatives send a shot back to the Senate, making very clear we believe we should fund all of the Department of Homeland Security.

00:36:28.780 TSA, FEMA, Coast Guard, but importantly, ICE and Border Patrol.

00:36:32.340 And we weren't going to allow the Democrats to isolate ICE and Border Patrol.

00:36:37.160 We need to stay behind all of them.

00:36:39.020 I know that we're working through ways to break the back of the Democrats who are refusing to fund these important security agencies when we're engaged in conflict with Iran.

00:36:48.600 And we had terrorist attacks here on our own soil and where we've got, you know, rattling by Hezbollah and others.

00:36:55.900 In the meantime, we have a weakened state without full funding for Coast Guard ICE border patrol.

00:37:01.260 So God bless the president for moving money around for TSA.

00:37:04.480 God bless the president and Congress for having money in the big, beautiful bill that's giving us flexibility to deal with the Democrats who do not seem to care that they're in danger in our country for their political purposes.

00:37:15.340 I think where we stand is I think the Senate needs to come back in.

00:37:18.460 I do not think they should be gone for this two-week recess.

00:37:21.760 They need to come back in, work to get a funding bill done like we passed out of the House.

00:37:25.900 If we have to do it to reconciliation, fine.

00:37:28.580 But what we shouldn't do, I think, is isolate ICE and Border Patrol to be used as a piñata and a punching bag by the Democrats.

00:37:35.160 That's what they want.

00:37:36.280 Let's do what we want.

00:37:37.320 Let's fully fund the security of the United States, which is what the American people want us to do.

00:37:41.620 What did you think when the Senate left on a two-week vacation and you guys were still working on the House side?

00:37:48.960 Yeah, pretty frustrating for them to dump that bill on us late Thursday night, that two-in-the-morning vote,

00:37:53.660 by voice vote, by the way, without full disclosure to a lot of my friends who are in the Senate.

00:37:58.800 And then all of a sudden we're looking at this bill going, look, your message heading out of

00:38:02.680 town is to fund DHS minus ICE and Border Patrol. And we looked at that and said, look, yes,

00:38:09.340 we want to support TSA. Yes, we want to support the Coast Guard, but we're not going to leave

00:38:13.440 ICE and Border Patrol stranded. Yes, we can go pull some money out of the big, beautiful bill

00:38:18.080 to limp through it, but it's not easy to do. And the dollars will run out. We have a lot of

00:38:23.140 our civilian folks, the support staff, people that were writing into us, calling us, saying,

00:38:27.280 hey, guys, we're left dangling here. We don't think that's the right way to do business. So

00:38:31.120 my feeling was, and the speaker, God bless him, said, nope, the House is going to stand strong.

00:38:35.820 We're going to fund it all. Send that back over to the Senate. And that's where we stand. Now,

00:38:40.020 again, we should go back to Washington. As you guys know, I'm on the campaign trail for

00:38:43.900 Attorney General. It is in my personal interest to be in the state of Texas, both so I can see

00:38:49.000 my family, but so I can be campaigning. But my job as a congressman, we need to deliver. So I'll

00:38:54.980 do whatever we need to do. I'll fly back up there in two hours if I need to, if the speaker calls

00:38:59.560 us back. But we ought to get together. Now, I've been having conversations with him, with the

00:39:04.000 director of the Office of Management and Budget, the White House, with my friends in the Senate,

00:39:07.620 Jody Arrington, a fellow Texan who's the chairman of the Budget Committee with whom I worked to get

00:39:11.740 the big, beautiful bill done last year. We're talking about options. We want to fund the

00:39:16.760 security needs of the united states fully and not let the democrats undermine it and that's our goal

00:39:21.840 that's what we intend to try to do speaking of chip roy of uh texas congressman something that

00:39:27.120 we've been talking about a lot on the show uh because it's a big issue for the for the whole

00:39:30.980 country and i think the president trump with his federal initiatives on uh helping high crime

00:39:38.340 cities has shown that what what is possible you have a a crime bill that you are interested in

00:39:46.320 and bringing forth and making the law of the land, what would it do?

00:39:50.660 And what do you think is the mood of the American people right now for law enforcement

00:39:56.620 and enforcing laws through our courts in general when it comes to career criminals,

00:40:01.740 particularly violent criminals?

00:40:03.900 Well, I think people have seen the dangerous reality of putting people on the streets

00:40:09.660 who shouldn't be there.

00:40:11.000 And, you know, you see these pendulum shifts.

00:40:13.300 You know, those of us were old enough to remember the 80s and early 90s.

00:40:15.900 We then cracked down on crime. It was bipartisan. And we had a relatively safe country.

00:40:20.300 And then now we've seen this pendulum back. They've been letting criminals out on the streets.

00:40:23.740 You know, all of these groups, Arabella, the Soros-funded groups, the Wren Collective,

00:40:27.900 all of these entities that have put bad DAs and bad judges in place, they're letting criminals out.

00:40:32.960 Well, when we fixed it 30 years ago, we had a three-strikes-and-you're-out provision, right?

00:40:37.580 We had harsher penalties and sentencing guidelines.

00:40:41.640 So what I wanted to do, and, you know, I was a former federal prosecutor.

00:40:45.020 I've watched those get watered down over the last two decades.

00:40:48.140 But there were some criticisms that I took into account.

00:40:50.920 For example, people said in the three strikes and you're out, you shouldn't have one of your strikes be a random misdemeanor, drug possession or something when you were a juvenile.

00:41:00.460 And I said to myself, okay, fine.

00:41:02.920 So let's prioritize the point.

00:41:04.900 So in the bill that I drafted, I tried to put more emphasis behind a three-strikes-and-you're-out regime again to give it more power by basically putting a tiered system in place so there's points.

00:41:18.280 So if you have a dangerous felony that you're committing and you've got three strikes of those, you're out.

00:41:23.640 That's permanent.

00:41:24.600 But if it's a low-level misdemeanor, that would be a quarter point or a half point.

00:41:29.560 Frankly, I mean, I think it's giving in a way that should get a significant amount of support.

00:41:35.140 But the goal here is to reestablish a framework by which there is a legislative requirement that you put these guys in jail and don't let them out and stand in the way of judges or DAs who are not prosecuting or giving them sentences that would keep them off the streets.

00:41:51.760 So I try to take away the excuses, if that makes sense, by restructuring the regime to make sure criminals stay in jail.

00:41:58.940 We're talking to Congressman Chip Roy.

00:42:00.940 He is running for Attorney General of Texas.

00:42:03.300 If you were Attorney General, one of your top focuses, I would imagine, in Texas would be prosecuting violent criminals and ensuring that they end up behind bars.

00:42:13.600 You're in Washington, D.C. right now.

00:42:16.080 Last year, 125-year low, according to data for murders.

00:42:21.300 uh in washington dc so far this year compared to last year murders are down 65 percent according

00:42:30.160 to the official metro dc data that i am looking at right now sex abuse charges down 67 percent

00:42:38.700 is it what we've seen in dc and what we've seen in memphis strong evidence that as you're laying

00:42:45.520 out with your potential bills we don't have to deal with violent crime we can actually drive it

00:42:51.420 down to levels that we've never seen before and make all of us safer absolutely and it's the first

00:42:58.360 order of of government right and and you know look people ask me why are you running for attorney

00:43:03.360 general it's because i believe that the state of texas is under attack and i won't go through the

00:43:07.320 entire list of things but border obviously and the issue that we've been dealing with out there

00:43:11.720 Thank God we've got President Trump, but the open border was destructive to Texas.

00:43:15.160 It was also putting criminals on our streets, putting gang members on our streets,

00:43:19.120 endangering our people.

00:43:20.360 In addition to the March of Islam across Texas and other issues that we're dealing with,

00:43:24.480 the issue of crime on our streets is a big one.

00:43:27.380 And, you know, Texas is known for law and order and justice.

00:43:30.200 But if you look at what we've been dealing with in Houston and Dallas and Austin and San Antonio

00:43:34.000 with these DAs and these judges that are leaving the criminals on the streets,

00:43:37.960 you see what happens.

00:43:38.720 And what the president did, he demonstrated that a strong law and order and presence of our law enforcement makes an enormous difference.

00:43:47.320 And that's not rocket science.

00:43:49.620 It's just common sense, but it takes courage and leadership to stand against the woke leftists, the Marxists,

00:43:55.760 who are totally fine with us being in danger because they say that somehow it is inappropriate or racist to say that we need to have law enforcement on the streets.

00:44:04.420 But the funny thing is, when you talk to Hispanic Texans, black Texans, people of all walks of life, they all want to have to go on the streets.

00:44:12.260 So that's the first order of business of government.

00:44:14.520 As attorney general, I'll be working hard to do that, to secure the border, to put criminals behind bars, to work with local law enforcement to do it, to stop these judges, to stop these activist DAs, who, by the way, are well-funded.

00:44:25.340 This is one last important point.

00:44:26.400 Whether you're talking about crime, whether you're talking about these groups, Soros, whether you're talking about the Islamist movement across the state of Texas and the country, you've got to go after the NGOs and the nonprofits.

00:44:37.120 The attorney general has massive power to open up their books, all of them, look at what they're doing, see where they're violating the law, and then pull their charter and shut them down.

00:44:46.080 We've got to go after these groups who are organized against us and undermining our society and endangering us.

00:44:51.880 Congressman Roy, I appreciate you being with us, sir.

00:44:54.760 Thanks, guys.

00:44:55.900 Y'all take care.

00:44:56.940 Happy Easter.

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00:47:17.440 Welcome back in.

00:47:18.580 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:47:21.000 We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program tomorrow.

00:47:24.520 Major launch coming as long as the weather holds up from NASA.

00:47:29.100 And we bring in now the director of NASA, the head of the space agency, Jared Isaacman.

00:47:34.460 And this is a super exciting work.

00:47:36.120 Buck and I are very excited to talk with you.

00:47:38.100 So thanks for making the time for us.

00:47:40.040 I know it's a very serious time for you guys, but I wanted to start with this question.

00:47:45.240 Before we get into the space launch, there is talk that we are going to be putting a base on the moon.

00:47:54.080 Moon base, I guess, would be one way to put that.

00:47:57.420 What would that look like, and what does that goal in terms of time stretch out to?

00:48:02.960 Because that sounds pretty amazing.

00:48:05.580 Well, first of all, it's great to be on the show.

00:48:07.540 Great to talk about the exciting mission that's scheduled to launch tomorrow.

00:48:11.940 And you're absolutely right, right?

00:48:13.940 President Trump and his national space policy said pick up where Apollo 17 left off,

00:48:19.660 send astronauts to the moon, do it frequently,

00:48:22.320 but don't just go to put the flag there and leave the footsteps behind.

00:48:26.740 Build an enduring presence.

00:48:28.540 Build a moon base.

00:48:29.820 Realize the scientific and economic value.

00:48:32.540 Do the in-situ resource manufacturing, the experimentation,

00:48:35.900 the testing that's going to be necessary so someday you can take the next giant leap to mars

00:48:41.080 so a base on space how long until the moon i'm sorry oh yeah on the moon well but that would be

00:48:50.940 in space clay i was gonna say a base in space how long till we complete this race i was trying to

00:48:56.260 have a little rhyme fun here but you jumped in that's fair enough mr administrator can you tell

00:49:01.160 us what would this be able to do and are we setting up the basic infrastructure here for a

00:49:07.820 whole new generation or new generations of space travel leveraging space for things here on earth

00:49:16.400 including low earth orbit uh uh things like the data centers that will be able to be put there i

00:49:23.400 mean what what is the future of this look like i know this amazing launch is coming up but what's

00:49:27.860 going to be happening after yeah absolutely well let me tell you about it so uh let's talk about

00:49:32.600 the astronaut side of things so tomorrow artemis 2 is going to launch we're going to send four

00:49:37.480 astronauts farther into space than we've ever sent humans before they're going to go faster

00:49:42.160 than humans have ever ever traveled before so 250,000 miles away from earth going 25,000 miles

00:49:49.220 an hour on a 10-day journey to test out the spaceship before they'll splash down off the

00:49:54.240 west coast that's artemis 2 that journey begins tomorrow next up artemis 3 2027 we're going to

00:50:01.260 launch the same rocket this time the astronauts are going to rendezvous and dock with the lunar

00:50:07.220 lander in earth orbit test out the integrated systems this is just how we did it during the

00:50:11.860 apollo era during apollo 9 and then we're going to use that to gain confidence to land those

00:50:16.880 astronauts on the moon in 2028 on artemis 4 now in parallel we're building the base again we're not

00:50:24.120 just go in there to pick up the rocks this time. We're going to stay. So starting in the beginning

00:50:29.020 of 2027, people are going to be able to witness on a near monthly cadence, robotic landings on

00:50:36.000 the moon. We're going to have rovers driving around. We're going to be testing out uncrewed

00:50:40.640 mobility, crude mobility, power generation, navigation. We're going to do surface improvements.

00:50:46.940 We are going to learn as much as we can in preparation for when the astronauts arrive.

00:50:51.260 And I'll tell you, we're going to bring everybody along with us.

00:50:53.680 We're going to put observation satellites up, communication satellites.

00:50:56.800 Heck, there's going to be a NASA moon-based website where people are going to log in

00:51:01.280 and watch the moon base being constructed almost in real time.

00:51:04.460 This is all incredible.

00:51:07.360 It has been, for people out there, this is kind of extraordinary.

00:51:11.540 In 1903, I believe I'm right, Orville and Wilbur Wright began to fly.

00:51:17.720 In 1969, we put men on the moon.

00:51:21.260 So 66 years from the creation of the first aircraft, the first time of flight, to on the moon.

00:51:28.180 And then we kind of just stopped.

00:51:31.160 And obviously, Elon Musk, who I know you know very well, has been important in propelling the space advancement.

00:51:40.120 How do we avoid stagnating again?

00:51:43.580 I love these aspirational goals that you're laying out.

00:51:46.640 But I think if we went back in time to 1969, Americans would actually be stunned that our space progress has been quite limited since then.

00:51:56.720 Look, I think this is extremely fair, right?

00:51:59.560 I mean, for 35 years, every president has called for a return to the moon.

00:52:04.300 It sounds good, but what about putting it in practice?

00:52:07.140 President Trump, during his first term, created the Artemis program.

00:52:11.340 President Trump, on my first day on the job, the day I was sworn in,

00:52:14.480 gave me a national space policy and an executive order that said get back to the moon

00:52:18.680 and do it to stay this time, build the moon base, and invest in the next giant leap capabilities.

00:52:24.460 We're going to launch a nuclear-powered spaceship in 2028 called Freedom, SR-1 Freedom.

00:52:29.920 That's going to be nuclear power and propulsion, and it's going to deliver a scientific payload to Mars

00:52:34.240 because that's the kind of capabilities you're going to need someday for Mars.

00:52:37.420 So you're absolutely right.

00:52:38.680 We took a break from deep space exploration for a while.

00:52:42.000 We didn't have a competitor.

00:52:43.320 We won the first race, but we have a competitor now.

00:52:46.000 The new race is on.

00:52:47.300 It's to get back to the moon.

00:52:48.780 It's to do it to stay.

00:52:50.260 It's to learn so you can undertake, you know, big, bold endeavors like going to Mars someday.

00:52:55.800 That's what the president has put in motion, and we've already enacted plans.

00:53:00.160 We're not just doing talk about this.

00:53:01.580 We had a big event last week where we shared with industry and all our international partners how we're going to do it.

00:53:06.520 We dropped RFIs, RFPs, had breakout sessions the next day because now we're in execution mode.

00:53:12.580 Can you speak to some of the commercial and national security applications of space exploration as its lineup?

00:53:21.040 I mean, you just laid out for us what the timeline is.

00:53:23.440 But I think, for example, one of the amazing things that SpaceX has done is by creating Internet,

00:53:29.520 internet essentially beamed down from satellites there's a a whole commercial application now for

00:53:36.820 this and spacex is obviously putting satellites into space for private entities so there's

00:53:42.060 commercialization so i know there's more commercial options that this will lay the pathway for can you

00:53:48.780 speak to that and also why from a national security perspective space nasa what's going on right now

00:53:55.900 with this program is so important yeah absolutely so i'll tell you what spacex did which is so

00:54:01.580 important is they figured out how to reuse the rocket again and and not months later but to do

00:54:06.960 it in weeks why does this matter i mean think about it if you were traveling with your family

00:54:10.780 to disney world but you had to throw away the 737 how much would it cost to get to disney world

00:54:15.300 right that's not how we want to do it anymore spacex pioneered rapid reusability of the first

00:54:20.300 stage of the booster. And what that did is it brought the cost to put mass and orbit down

00:54:26.020 materially. Now, what does that serve? That serves a lot of different applications. You can now have

00:54:30.620 high-speed internet and low-Earth orbit, but it has national security applications as well. I mean,

00:54:36.120 the satellites that we use in conflict for observation, you know, for communication,

00:54:41.800 for command and control, those are all put up now far more affordably than ever before,

00:54:47.440 thanks to reusability, but it's also great for science and discovery, right?

00:54:51.460 I mean, you know, exploring the world beyond ours is the greatest adventure in human history.

00:54:55.860 We can launch more rovers now to Mars, more probes, more telescopes

00:54:59.080 to look back into the beginning of our universe thanks to this reusable technology.

00:55:03.880 And it's not just SpaceX anymore.

00:55:05.340 Blue Origin has this capability.

00:55:06.900 Rocket Lab is doing it.

00:55:07.820 I mean, what they did was a game changer,

00:55:10.540 and they're about to change it all over again now with Starship

00:55:13.480 where both the first half of the rocket and the upper half are going to be reusable.

00:55:17.460 That's going to be a light switch moment for humanity.

00:55:20.260 We're talking to Jared Isaacman, head of NASA, in advance of the launch tomorrow.

00:55:25.820 My 18-year-old is a big space kid.

00:55:29.360 Like, he's just fascinated by it all.

00:55:31.320 I told him we were going to have you on the program today, and he told me,

00:55:35.300 will you ask him, how long will it be, in his opinion,

00:55:39.160 until we can put a man or woman on the surface of Mars.

00:55:44.480 What does that time frame look like to you?

00:55:46.540 I understand the focus right now is moon-based,

00:55:49.280 but aspirationally having so-called moonshots matters.

00:55:52.640 It really kind of gets the attention of my 18-year-old,

00:55:55.160 but there's a lot of kids out there, grandkids out there,

00:55:58.280 that are going to be listening to this segment

00:55:59.920 that would love to know an answer to that,

00:56:02.500 to think aspirationally about our future in the stars.

00:56:06.640 Sure. I mean, I think the answer is

00:56:08.800 It's probably somewhere in that 10- to 20-year timeline.

00:56:12.220 But I'll tell you, this is why it's so imperative to return to the moon and build the moon base.

00:56:17.580 So where we are targeting to build the base that President Trump called for in his space policy is the South Pole.

00:56:23.720 And in the permanently shaded regions of the South Pole of the moon, you have water ice.

00:56:28.440 So when we land there, when we build the base, we are going to work with that ice and use it to make propellant.

00:56:33.980 And that's going to be key, because I'll tell you, when you see American astronauts step foot off the Artemis 4 lander and are on the moon,

00:56:41.720 know at that point in time we have the capability to send astronauts to Mars.

00:56:46.480 The hard part is how do you bring them home?

00:56:49.080 And when they're there, they're going to have to make their own propellant to make that return voyage,

00:56:52.640 and we will master those skills on the south pole of the moon, and then we'll be ready to undertake that grand journey.

00:56:59.680 one last question tomorrow this is going to be happening in theory at what time for people out

00:57:04.940 there that want to monitor this incredible endeavor what should they know what is that what are the

00:57:09.900 details so at 6 24 p.m at kennedy space center that's when our launch window opens uh and that

00:57:17.760 is the earliest point that uh artemis 2 could ignite and you got 8.8 million pounds of thrust

00:57:23.440 sending those astronauts out uh into space 25 000 miles an hour farther into space than any uh

00:57:28.960 humans ever gone before wow it's exciting well we know how busy you are this has been awesome we

00:57:34.260 appreciate you making the time and we look forward to watching the success tomorrow thank you very

00:57:39.760 much thanks for your interest in nasa thank you that's jared isaacman the head of nasa that's

00:57:45.480 really cool um again uh i like your question buck because it kind of goes to how are these

00:57:51.460 uh things that we learn going to be applied to other facets of life and i think it's really

00:57:57.260 cool thing about a moon base as an aspirational goal to teach us how to one day put life onto

00:58:04.680 mars and make us a multi-planetary species which is i think pretty incredible uh but i want to tell

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