BONUS： Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 20 2025
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Summary
On today's show, Clay and Buck cover a ton of news items, including the latest on Bill Trump's meeting with Congress, Bill Belichick's relationship with his 24-year-old girlfriend, Robert Griffin III's feud with a guy named Ryan Clark, and more.
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Welcome to today's edition of the C&B 24-7 Podcast.
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Here are your co-hosts, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
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Welcome in, Tuesday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the program.
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We will talk with White House official James Blair at 2.30.
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That is the third hour Eastern of this program to get the absolute latest there.
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James Comey went on MSNBC to talk about his seashells by the seashore.
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And then a couple of crazy stories that we may have some fun with during the course of the program.
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The third, Buck, you saw this story and you were like, this can't be real, is in a feud with a guy named Ryan Clark over Caitlin Clark.
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This is not super serious, but it is a little bit crazy.
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Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old girlfriend are reportedly engaged, Buck.
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So true love, as spring flowers bloom, may well be afoot in the great state of North Carolina with Bill Belichick as the head coach of the Tar Heels.
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72-year-old Belichick, 24-year-old Jordan Hudson.
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Here is my prediction before we go through all this different audio.
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This reminds me a bit of the speaker count votes, everything else.
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So that is my prediction of where we are headed.
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But let's listen to what Trump said this morning on Capitol Hill.
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Before the meeting, he said, this is a big, beautiful bill.
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And we're going to get it done because it has tremendous tax cuts.
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I don't think we've ever had a party like this.
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There are some people that want a couple of things that maybe I don't like or that they're not going to get.
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But I think we're going to have tremendous, not luck.
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But this man has done an incredible job of speaking.
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So I think we're going to I think we're a very unified party.
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And we're going to have a bill, the one big, beautiful bill.
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I think it's going to be the biggest bill ever passed.
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Speaker Johnson after the meeting and then I'll play some Trump.
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Here's Speaker Johnson after the meeting of what happens if they don't pass this bill.
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And everybody understands the scope and the meaning of this.
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If we do not accomplish this mission, every one of you, all the American people are going to have the highest tax increase that you've ever had.
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And among the debt ceiling cliff that's approaching and all the other problems, this is the bill to do it.
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I think we're going to get it done, Mr. President.
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OK, and then Trump after the meeting, one more cut five.
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And then, Buck, you can weigh in on all the drama on Capitol Hill.
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There were a couple of things that we talked about specifically where some people felt a little bit one way or the other, not a big deal.
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I never mentioned the word losing patience because I'm not losing patience.
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Why don't you go back to your source and tell them they're liars if the source even exists?
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So there is Trump getting into it with reporter Capitol Hill.
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One thing, I'll get into the substance of the bill in just a second.
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When I hear Trump with the reporters, I do think you and I, we know Don Jr. and Ivanka.
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Could you imagine Trump as your dad, like trying to tell him why you broke curfew or something?
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Remember when we had Jr. on at the RNC, if I remember correctly, and he had gotten permission
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to have a few people over and Trump got home and there were like, he said, 100 people at
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the house and he was just like, all of them have to be gone.
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Can you imagine being at that party as a high school kid?
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He's not the dad that you wanted to be rolling kegs in when he wasn't looking.
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You know, I met him when I was 13 or 14 for the first time.
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Nobody was messing with him then and nobody's messing with him now.
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And, you know, I spoke to and you can check it out.
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It's on the Clay and Buck podcast network in the Buck brief.
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I spoke to the head of the National Economic Council and I just said, my friend, you are
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I didn't want to say nerd, but I mean, I think econ nerd would be respectfully said here.
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And so we just sat there and I went through it.
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I'll give you some of the highlights of it and what is in this that really matters to
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people and why Trump is so excited about the first thing is it's it's one of those
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if you don't do it, really bad things are going to happen, meaning the tax raises that
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would kick in because the twenty seventeen Trump tax cuts are made permanent here.
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So I know it's confusing, but if the stuff if you don't do this, they would expire and
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So that would be a shock to the system in a bad way.
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You're extending tax cuts really across a whole a whole range, whether it's for for
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businesses, for individual filers and the average American family on an annual basis.
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And again, this is from the chairman of the National Economic Council.
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It's something like seven to twelve thousand dollars of additional money in the bank for
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you at the end of the year for the average American household.
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OK, that's not I think that's such an important because they're going to say it's for the rich.
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The Democrats who rely on their plurality of billionaires to fund their party are always
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And you're going to have think about if someone told you, hey, you're going to have an extra
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10 grand next year at the end of the year, you'd say, wow, that's that's great.
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Well, that's what this does for the average household.
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And it's also there's the salt deduction component of this.
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So there's the cap for this is going to be changed.
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They're going to deduct more of the regional taxes from the federal tax bill.
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And I think that's probably for some blue state Republicans or or purple state Republicans,
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The big one, Clay, and I said, wow, they're actually doing this.
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There's no tax on tips that that is a real thing.
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Remember, that was so popular and cool when Trump said it on the campaign trail that Kamala
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She was like, yeah, I think we should have no tax.
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One thing that I'm going to say people on the right are annoyed about is the green energy
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The bill's initial tax eliminates tax credits for electric vehicles within two years, phases
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out credits for low carbon electricity, including wind and solar, new requirements on these
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I'm just going to tell you what's getting criticized.
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They're criticizing this for not getting like there should be the whole Green New Deal scam
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stuff should all be completely root and branch taken out.
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Some Republicans are saying, OK, we had Ron Johnson on yesterday talk a bit about this.
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They tighten up SNAP benefits, which is food stamps.
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I guess we don't like to call it food stamps anymore.
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They're limiting funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which had been
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Elizabeth Warren's little fiefdom that didn't actually help consumers, but was a good
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way to harass disfavored businesses by Democrats.
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That's increases the debt limit, four trillion dollars, and then some substantial funding
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So, Clay, I think those are the big top lines of where this where this thing is, where this
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And the biggest criticism, it's over a thousand pages, eleven hundred pages.
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Just remember that when somebody's like, I've read the bill.
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They've read the section of the bill that their lobbyists wanted included, I'm sure.
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And the part of it that I think people on the right conservatives are a little frustrated
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on is just that it's extending the debt ceiling, four trillion dollars and doesn't really have
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the big meaty cuts that from does you would have liked to see.
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That's what if you're talking about if you're talking about juicing the economy.
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I mean, this thing, I think, is going to be rocket fuel for the economy.
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And the big issue, which if you're around our age, meaning if you're 40s or younger, that
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you're going to have to deal with over the next two generations is the national debts out
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And the only real way we've told you this before, the only real way to fix the national
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debt is to address Social Security and Medicare.
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And if you look, I believe Social Security, Medicare defense and the interest, I believe
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that's 86 percent of the entire federal budget.
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So even if you eliminated every other part of the federal government, 86 percent of it
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would still exist just based on those four things.
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And unfortunately, as our debt grows, the percentage of interest that we have to pay on that debt
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grows massively such that we now pay more typically, unfortunately now for the debt than we do
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national defense, and there is an argument that if you look at history, as soon as the debt
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expenditures exceed the the defense expenditures, your country, your civilization has begun a
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No one in the Democrat Party, no one in the Republican Party really wants to address Social
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And until those issues are addressed, then there is virtually no opportunity to balance a budget.
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Now, I agree with Ron Johnson when he says, like, hey, we should be going back to pre covid
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That's the better solution here in my mind, because we basically have embedded the cost of
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a growing government from covid and we're continuing.
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And by the way, when you have twenty one percent inflation, your expenses are going to go up
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substantially just to keep pace with the cost of goods.
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But this this is this is the reality in which we live.
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So I can give you the quick negative overview, not of the bill, but just of the U.S.
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fiscal trajectory is we are not stopping this train at all, really.
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And the next, I think, four years on the train are going to be awesome.
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I think I think the Trump administration, you're going to see everyone's going to be doing
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But the other side of it is we haven't we haven't suffered enough as a country from
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And this is I almost think it's a waste of time to get into beyond that right now, Clay,
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because every time we could say we're spending too much money, look at the math.
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We'll just get calls all day from everyone saying you absolutely cannot touch my Medicare.
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You can't trust if you can't touch Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, basically.
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People are just saying we haven't suffered enough as a country from the fiscal profligacy.
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And that means that we just got to keep going and keep on hoping that we grow and grow and
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We got hundreds of billions coming in from the tariffs, by the way, which you're hearing
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you're not getting a lot of conversation about that right now in the media because the
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tariffs are going to bring in additional revenue to the government.
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Remember, we used to fund until the 20th century.
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We funded this country's government on tariffs overwhelmingly.
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But yeah, hopefully we can grow, grow the economy much faster and and find, you know,
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greater efficiencies that we'll be able to kind of keep riding this thing out.
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Trump is doing the best thing he can do for the economy this year.
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And hopefully that means we lead into better things in the years after it.
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But yeah, that's that's kind of where I am on this.
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No, it's not even fun to talk about anymore because they're just going to raise the debt
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It was quite a post on X from Alina Habba, the interim U.S. attorney for New Jersey.
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She wrote on her X account that Congresswoman LaMonica McIver had been charged for assaulting,
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impeding and interfering with law enforcement when she visited the detention center.
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A couple other members of Congress back on the 9th of May in New Jersey and then put out
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Clay, no one is above the law, politicians or otherwise.
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It is the job of this office to uphold justice impartially, regardless of who you are.
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She had sought a resolution without bringing criminal charges, according to The New York Times.
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She says now, this is Congresswoman McIver, that the ICE agents created an unnecessary and unsafe confrontation.
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These charges are entirely political, of course.
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But you can see body camera footage released by the Department of Homeland Security shows Representative McIver getting into it, Clay,
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tussling with members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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One might even say, Clay, obstructing, perhaps obstructing an official proceeding or official law enforcement activity,
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something that all the cops listening know, yeah, if they're trying to make an arrest and you're like, no, that's my body,
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and you hip check the cop so that he can't actually put the cuffs on, you're going away, too.
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The no one is above the law, which Democrats certainly are familiar with as a phrase,
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because they used to say it with such frequency to justify their absurd prosecutions.
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Four of them, one year, never been convicted or charged with a crime in his entire life.
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Almost 80 years, Trump goes, without ever committing a crime.
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And then four in one year that also happened to be the same year he's running for re-election to be president.
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Gee, what a coincidence, almost like finding out Biden's cancer after the election that they had to know about before.
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Quite a coincidence. But for me, this is they created this environment, and I'm happy.
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We can talk about the immigration piece of this, too, Clay.
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Like, really? They're willing to physically throw their bodies in front of ICE agents to stop deportations from happening?
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Members of Congress, people that write the laws, or at least pretend to write the laws.
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And Democrats made us all believe, or rather, made us all hear from them that they believe this.
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And I don't think they're going to like the consequences, because the Trump administration has decided,
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I think this was and is, and this will not surprise you, Buck, but LaMonica McIver, the arrested congresswoman,
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texted, no one is, I mean, tweeted, no one is above the law after Trump was arrested.
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So, you know, this talking point that they all had of no one is above the law,
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clearly they thought they were above the law, but it's not a good position to be in
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when you are arrested to have, on the record, called your political adversaries out as being,
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Now, do I think that this is some massively violent behavior that she engaged in? No.
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But I do think that there are countless people who were involved in January 6th
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that engaged in less than what she did on that day, that were charged with crimes,
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that were hunted down by the FBI, that had to plead guilty to minor misdemeanors,
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So, if you put it in that context, what is good for the goose is good for the gander,
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which is probably a phrase that I've never used before in the history of radio,
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And I think what it represents is, there have been a lot of you, and I am among them,
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and Buck is among them, that said the only real way we can end lawfare in this country,
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one, Trump winning, I think, showed Democrats that their idea of putting him in prison for the rest of his life
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and bankrupting him and trying to use the full apparatus of the Department of Justice against him,
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as well as other state governments in Georgia and New York,
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was not a way that was going to be politically beneficial to them.
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And I think the results of the 2024 election were wildly important for that reason.
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But the second part of this is, they have to feel the danger themselves of lawfare redounding at them
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And I'm curious how aggressively the Democrat Party will come out and defend her,
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because I will say this, Buck, remember the judge in Milwaukee?
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That they were saying, oh, like, this is an unprecedented act,
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and then people looked into it, and then a grand jury in Milwaukee indicted her.
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I don't think that the average person, because it's on video,
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is going to watch this and say, hey, you know what,
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this woman seems like she's being treated unfairly.
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You know who's not going to, all of a sudden, cry big tears for the situation?
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I think we could just call it, I think if he had a nickname,
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like if this was professional wrestling, it would be the enforcer,
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because I think he is the enforcer of immigration law.
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Here he is saying that she broke the law, this is cut 10,
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You can push back against President Trump's immigration agenda?
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Whatever, you can protest, but you cannot cross that line.
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You can't knowingly impede a law enforcement officer, ICE officer.
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You can't knowingly conceal and harbor an illegal alien from ICE.
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You cannot, you know, commit criminal trespass to our facilities
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and endanger our employees, and you certainly can't put hands on an ICE agent.
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So, you know, she's going to have to pay the consequences for doing what she did.
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She broke the law, and we're going to hold her accountable.
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This is where we have to be reminded that the Democrats,
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despite whatever they may say as a party publicly,
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and I think even that, you could argue, has trended in this direction,
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but they really don't believe that illegal immigration is a crime.
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And so to them, anyone who's being held in a detention facility
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for immigration-related issues is essentially a political prisoner.
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And therefore, whatever they have to do in order to bring attention to
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or even impede what's going on is morally justified.
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And this is what, as more and more Americans figure this out,
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we have greater clarity on this issue, and we can handle this better.
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The Democrats do not believe that anyone should be punished
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They fundamentally do not believe that if someone is here,
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it doesn't matter if they're a mass murderer on behalf of MS-13.
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Those crimes, sometimes Democrats will agree with us, are bad,
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But the crime of status in the country is not a crime to them.
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They do not believe that there is any infraction worthy of punishment
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And that is why you have members of Congress who will throw their bodies in the way
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and scream about this and all this mayhem that they will cause around it.
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It's because fundamentally, once you understand their view of it,
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yeah, of course, like if you and I were sitting here,
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we're talking about people who are being locked up
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for absolutely no reason whatsoever in our minds.
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Yeah, and look, I think the ultimate question here is
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why Democrats are still floundering to such an extent.
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They're getting arrested to fight for the rights of illegal immigrants.
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They're getting on airplanes to fly to El Salvador
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to advocate for wife-beating, human-trafficking gang members
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And I think a lot of regular, everyday Americans are asking the question,
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why are Democrats willing to fight so hard for people
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to continue to be able to illegally break the law here?
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And I also think that a lot of people are saying
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is they have a plan to one day make all of these people
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that remotely makes sense for their behavior right now?
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This is a black congresswoman from New Jersey, right?
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because I bet her district is a majority black district,
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Team, you can look that up, and I'll correct it
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Do you think black constituents of LaMonica McIver
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by their congresswoman when she is being arrested
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We saw this happen, certainly with more black residents
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But Buck, remember all the Chicago inner city residents
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who were saying, wait a minute, you're taking over our gyms,
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to be able to play on to give benefits to illegal immigrants?
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Filling their kids' classrooms with kids who have
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a tremendous amount of trauma from the journey often
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and speak no English, by the way, overwhelmingly.
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Look, we have a limited amount of resources that we have
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to provide support for underprivileged American citizens.
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And if your community is feeling like it's underserved,
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hey, these people who've only been here for a couple of months,
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my families have been here for generations, for decades,
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And you're going to give resources to all these illegal immigrants?
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I mean, just honestly, I can't imagine that Congresswoman
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LaMonica McIver, that her average constituent says,
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The Marxist left in this country, I mean, I repeat myself, right,
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have replaced class solidarity with race solidarity.
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And so the street disruptors, community organizers,
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social justice brigades, if you will, they now view issues.
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Remember we talked about this even in the context of Israel-Palestine,
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like, why will you have black members of Congress
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who are, you know, generally speaking, overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian?
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if you have solidarity with people who have suffered persecution,
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the Jews have suffered more than their share of persecution historically,
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but why do black American congressmen identify with Palestinians?
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even though there are Palestinians, and I've met them
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because I've been to the West Bank, et cetera, as has Clay now.
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You know, who have red or blonde hair and blue eyes.
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And, you know, very much, you would think, white or Caucasian.
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But put that aside, they think Palestinians are brown,
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therefore black members of Congress have a Marxist solidarity,
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Same thing with the illegal immigrants at some level.
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What you're pointing out is what you would think black Democrat members of Congress
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would focus on first and foremost, which is if they are, and a lot of them are,
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in a predominantly African-American, black American district,
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are illegal immigrants generally making the daily lives of black Americans better
00:30:04.000
Are they helping the resource allocation that those communities get,
00:30:10.720
And, of course, we know the answers to this, but for the cameras,
00:30:15.620
racial solidarity with the non-white illegal immigrants is where the left,
00:30:22.000
the Marxists, the social justice construct in this country goes.
00:30:27.900
48.5% black district, 21.4% Hispanic, 18.8% white.
00:30:39.280
but a massive, substantial overall number of the population is black,
00:30:51.160
She won in the last congressional race, based on what I'm looking to here,
00:30:56.460
81.4% of the vote to 15.6% to the Republican representative.
00:31:05.820
So, I mean, again, we're talking about, in my opinion,
00:31:09.560
someone who is not representing remotely the majority of the citizens of her district,
00:31:14.440
and I would think that would not be favorably received.
00:31:18.340
Maybe some of you are out there listening to us right now
00:31:24.140
and want to weigh in on whether you think she is representing you well.
00:31:38.440
We're joined now by James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff,
00:31:47.860
So that's a pretty cool nickname, and I imagine that doesn't stink
00:31:52.840
to be the White House Chief of Staff Deputy that is known as the Oracle.
00:31:56.440
So let me ask you for your predictions, Oracle,
00:32:02.440
and what should this audience know about it from your perspective?
00:32:11.400
I think that the Big Beautiful Bill will get out of the House this week.
00:32:16.020
I think that, obviously, if it gets out of the House this week,
00:32:22.920
And the goal is to get it on the president's decks by July 4th,
00:32:33.500
First of all, let's talk about the border, first and foremost,
00:32:36.680
which nobody's talking about anymore because the president has driven illegal border crossings
00:32:42.860
But this bill funds border enforcement, adds 10,000 new ICE officers, gives them pay raises,
00:32:50.000
gives us everything we need logistically to not only keep the border secure
00:32:54.320
for the president's entire term in office so we don't have to come back and do this again,
00:32:58.800
but also to deport people and get millions of illegal immigrants out of this country,
00:33:03.960
which is something that a majority of the American people support.
00:33:07.580
Secondarily, it gives us the funding we need for our military.
00:33:10.000
You know that the president is involved in complex negotiations across the globe to bring peace.
00:33:14.720
That's backed up through strength, and it gives us the funding to modernize our military
00:33:18.740
and make sure it's the most lethal fighting force in the world for the foreseeable future.
00:33:23.140
But then the big thing that it does that everyone's talking about is the tax cuts.
00:33:26.460
This renews the president's historic tax cut from 2017.
00:33:31.820
And then adds more taxes on top, everything he campaigned on, no tax on tips,
00:33:35.920
no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime pay.
00:33:38.880
It will be the single largest tax cut for middle and working class Americans in the history of the country.
00:33:44.660
And it will do that while still generating more than a trillion dollars right now,
00:33:50.760
$1.7 trillion in savings for the American taxpayer,
00:33:55.480
which is twice as much savings that has ever been delivered by Congress in the last 30 years,
00:34:01.080
and that was almost 30 years ago under Bill Clinton.
00:34:03.140
So we're getting the country's fiscal house in order.
00:34:06.280
We're giving people money back in their pocket that they earned.
00:34:14.100
We're doing what President Trump campaigned on, plain and simple.
00:34:17.620
So there's still some little issues being worked out with a few guys at the edges,
00:34:21.340
but in the big picture, I think we're right on track, and I think we'll get everybody there.
00:34:25.040
James, appreciate you being with us, and certainly a lot to be excited about that is in this bill.
00:34:32.900
For those who are concerned about the debt, who want the spirit and action of DOGE to be enshrined in some way in this bill,
00:34:43.320
what do you say to them, and what can we point to that deals with getting that fiscal house in order,
00:34:55.460
Well, first of all, it's important to note that this is by far the biggest savings,
00:34:59.620
which I mentioned a minute ago, but let's put some points on it.
00:35:01.960
Back when Bill Clinton was president, Congress passed a package that saved like $800 billion in spending cuts, okay?
00:35:14.160
It'll still be iterated on a little bit as it goes through the Senate and everything, but more than double.
00:35:19.380
Okay, Congress literally has not done anything like that in over 30 years.
00:35:23.300
So right there, those are the biggest savings that we've ever seen.
00:35:26.540
We're doing something called rescissions, which is the stuff that DOGE has found, this bad stuff.
00:35:31.560
We go out, the Congress votes on it in what's called a rescissions package that's actually separate from this bill,
00:35:37.100
but then it permanently pulls out that stuff out of the budget, okay?
00:35:41.740
And then, you know, what's not counted in this bill, and it's just a stupid quirk of how legislative scoring works, is tariff revenue.
00:35:49.940
The president is bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars of tariff revenue right now, and that money's not being spent, okay?
00:35:56.780
That money's not being spent in the big, beautiful bill or anything else.
00:35:59.860
That's just money in the Treasury that goes straight to deficit reduction.
00:36:02.960
So sometimes, you know, when they call it the Congressional Budget Office, which kind of puts out the charge,
00:36:10.640
they're not being honest because they don't add in the tariff revenue and some of the rescissions and the different things that are happening,
00:36:17.140
But the fact is, this is a huge step in the right direction for getting the country on a better fiscal footing.
00:36:24.960
You know, there's three things we have to do, really, to get to a balanced budget,
00:36:28.640
which the president hopes to achieve at some point before he leaves office, but, you know, at least in the foreseeable future.
00:36:40.800
We do that through getting government out of the way.
00:36:44.380
That's partly the president, partly Congress, partly Doge, all of those things combined.
00:36:49.560
I already told you the historic nature of those spending reductions that we're doing.
00:36:54.720
And then the third thing is we've just got to deregulate, and we've got to bring more jobs in.
00:37:00.520
And ultimately, you know, in 2017, we actually collected more money in taxes, which improved the fiscal picture,
00:37:08.860
as a result of the tax cuts than we would have if we didn't have the tax cuts.
00:37:22.600
We've got to cut regulation, unlock the economy through growth.
00:37:28.400
It's going to take all three of those things, concerted effort over a period of time.
00:37:32.240
But if we just stick through it here and we are able to do it for four years instead of two,
00:37:37.340
which means we have to win the House majority back in the midterms,
00:37:40.620
then we'll be able to really be on a great, sustainable fiscal path.
00:37:47.280
But, you know, it's not all going to be done in one bill.
00:37:50.800
And this is a monumental first step, way bigger than anyone expected months ago.
00:37:58.040
We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff.
00:38:06.240
So for people out there who don't realize this, what happens if the bill doesn't pass?
00:38:12.680
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, first of all, economic forecasters are said we're going into a recession
00:38:17.360
because taxes are going to go through the roof.
00:38:19.820
All of these tax cuts we passed in 2017 will go away at the end of this year.
00:38:24.100
OK, so the average family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if the bill doesn't pass next year.
00:38:31.540
Businesses are going to pay thousands more in taxes.
00:38:34.300
We're not going to have the money to secure our border.
00:38:37.000
OK, all of these terrible things are going to happen.
00:38:38.980
It'll be the largest tax hike in history if this bill doesn't.
00:38:45.240
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country is going to default on its debt,
00:38:49.300
which could drive us into a global depression.
0.99
00:39:00.560
The country can't default on its debt or people would pay the price in a massive way.
00:39:06.940
And then on the border, look, we've got to ultimately have money to pay for planes and law enforcement
00:39:19.180
Everyone needs to understand that illegal immigrants in this country level that Joe Biden brought
00:39:28.800
When you talk about the spending, I mean, hundreds of billions of dollars being cost by illegal
00:39:35.280
immigrants being in this country and being on on on public programs are in place for American
00:39:42.360
When we get them out of the country, that's actually going to lower our spending levels
00:39:48.900
One of the changes in the big, beautiful bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants
1.00
00:39:53.840
OK, they're costing Medicaid billions of dollars a year.
00:39:59.060
We have to not only have the border secure, but we got to get these people out so they stop
1.00
00:40:04.500
All of this stuff has to work together to get our country on the right fiscal path forward.
00:40:12.660
Thank you so much for giving us some of the details on the big, beautiful bill.
00:40:15.720
What can you give us a sense as to what you what what this announcement is supposed to
00:40:25.300
I'm going to let the president break that news, but it's very exciting stuff like the
00:40:29.100
president and something he's talked about for a long time.
00:40:31.680
The president wants to make make sure the homeland is secure.
00:40:34.520
He wants to make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking about even
0.99
00:40:40.280
even remotely thinking about attacking our country.
00:40:43.160
So it's all part of his vision of having the most lethal fighting force in the world.
00:40:47.900
And that is what really gives us the leverage to sit at the table and demand peace, not only
00:40:54.000
for ourselves and our allies, but everywhere across the globe.
00:40:57.100
And the world has been better off when America has been strong in the world.
00:41:00.260
And that is part and parcel, having a strong military is part and parcel of that effort.
00:41:13.380
That's James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff.
00:41:18.520
We are joined now by James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff, a.k.a.
00:41:27.180
Well, all right, so that's a pretty cool nickname, and I imagine that doesn't stink to be the
00:41:33.420
White House Chief of Staff Deputy that is known as the Oracle.
00:41:36.840
So let me ask you for your predictions, Oracle, on how the big, beautiful bill is going to
00:41:42.260
go and what should this audience know about it from your perspective?
00:41:51.640
I think that the big, beautiful bill will get out of the House this week.
00:41:56.220
I think that obviously if it gets out of the House this week, then it will go over to
00:42:03.120
And the goal is to get it on the president's decks by July 4th, which I think will happen.
00:42:13.720
First of all, let's talk about the border, first and foremost, which nobody's talking about
00:42:18.220
anymore because the president has driven illegal border crossings to zero since he came into
00:42:23.680
But this bill funds border enforcement, adds 10,000 new ICE officers, gives them pay raises,
00:42:30.200
gives us everything we need logistically to not only keep the border secure for the president's
00:42:35.440
entire term in office so we don't have to come back and do this again, but also to deport
00:42:40.060
people and get millions of illegal immigrants out of this country, which is something that
00:42:46.680
Secondarily, it gives us the funding we need for our military.
00:42:50.440
You know that the president is involved in complex negotiations across the globe to bring
00:42:56.500
And it gives us the funding to modernize our military and make sure it's the most lethal
00:43:00.460
fighting force in the world for the foreseeable future.
00:43:03.400
But then the big thing that it does that everyone's talking about is the tax cuts.
00:43:06.520
This renews the president's historic tax cut from 2017.
00:43:11.860
And then adds more taxes on top, everything he campaigned on, no tax on tips, no tax on
00:43:19.200
It will be the single largest tax cut for middle and working class Americans in the history
00:43:24.720
And it will do that while still generating more than a trillion dollars right now, $1.7
00:43:31.920
trillion in savings for the American taxpayer, which is twice as much savings that has ever
00:43:38.940
been delivered by Congress in the last 30 years.
00:43:41.300
And that was almost 30 years ago under Bill Clinton.
00:43:43.740
So we're getting the country's fiscal house in order.
00:43:46.280
We're giving people money back in their pocket that they earned.
00:43:54.260
We're doing what President Trump campaigned on, plain and simple.
00:43:57.800
So there's still some little issues being worked out with a few guys at the edges.
00:44:01.560
But in the big picture, I think we're right on track.
00:44:05.280
James, appreciate you being with us and certainly a lot to be excited about that is in this bill.
00:44:13.060
For those who are concerned about the debt, who want the spirit and action of Doge to be
00:44:21.080
enshrined in some way in this bill, what do you say to them and what can we point to that
00:44:27.200
deals with getting that fiscal house in order, not just for this year, but in the longer term?
00:44:35.680
Well, first of all, it's important to note that this is by far the biggest savings, which
00:44:42.180
Back in back when Bill Clinton was president, Congress passed a package that saved like
00:44:47.740
eight hundred billion dollars in spending cuts.
00:44:50.140
OK, this one's looking like one point six, one point seven.
00:44:53.900
Currently, no, still be iterated on a little bit as it goes through the Senate and everything,
00:45:00.000
OK, Congress literally has not done anything like that in over 30 years.
00:45:03.520
So right there, those are the biggest savings that we've ever seen.
00:45:06.720
We're doing something called rescissions, which is the stuff that Doge has found, this bad stuff.
00:45:11.760
We go out, the Congress votes on it in what's called a rescissions package that's actually
00:45:17.320
But then it permanently pulls out that stuff out of the budget.
00:45:20.960
And then in that and then, you know, what's not counted in this bill and it's just a stupid
0.94
00:45:25.340
quirk of how legislative scoring works is tariff revenue.
0.70
00:45:30.160
The president is bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars of tariff revenue right now.
00:45:36.500
OK, that money is not being spent in the big, beautiful bill or anything else.
00:45:40.060
That's just money in the Treasury that goes straight to deficit reduction.
00:45:43.980
So sometimes, you know, when they call it the Congressional Budget Office, which kind of
00:45:49.660
puts out the charge, they're not being honest because they don't add in the tariff revenue
00:45:53.120
and some of the rescissions and the different things that are happening.
00:45:57.440
But the fact is, this is a huge step in the right direction for getting the country on a
00:46:05.160
You know, there's three things we have to do, really, to get to a balanced budget, which
00:46:09.080
the president hopes to achieve at some point before he leaves office.
00:46:13.480
But, you know, at least in the foreseeable future, we've got to grow.
00:46:21.000
We do that through getting government out of the way.
00:46:24.580
That's partly the president, partly Congress, partly Doge, all of those things combined.
00:46:29.940
I already told you the historic nature of those spending reductions that we're doing.
00:46:34.980
And then the third thing is we've just got to deregulate and we've got to bring more
00:46:40.580
And ultimately, you know, in 2017, we actually collected more money in taxes, which improved
00:46:48.000
the fiscal picture as a result of the tax cuts than we would have if we didn't have the
00:47:02.780
We've got to cut regulation, unlock the economy through growth.
00:47:08.320
It's going to take all three of those things, concerted effort over a period of time.
00:47:12.480
But if we just stick through it here and we are able to do it for four years instead of
00:47:16.940
two, which means we have to win the House majority back in the midterms, then we'll be
00:47:21.820
able to really be on a great, sustainable fiscal path.
00:47:27.460
But, you know, it's not all going to be done in one bill.
00:47:31.000
And this is a monumental first step, way bigger than anyone expected months ago.
00:47:38.700
We're talking to James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff.
00:47:46.440
So for people out there who don't realize this, what happens if the bill doesn't pass?
00:47:52.860
Well, if this bill doesn't pass, first of all, economic forecasters are said we're
00:47:56.500
going into a recession because taxes are going to go through the roof.
00:48:00.180
All of these tax cuts we passed in 2017 will go away at the end of this year.
00:48:04.300
OK, so the average family is going to pay thousands more in taxes if the bill doesn't
00:48:11.780
Businesses are going to pay thousands more in taxes.
00:48:14.500
We're not going to have the money to secure our border.
00:48:17.200
OK, all of these terrible things are going to happen.
00:48:19.180
It'll be the largest tax hike in history if this bill doesn't.
00:48:25.520
If we don't extend the debt ceiling, the country is going to default on its debt, which could drive
00:48:40.840
The country can't default on its debt or people would pay the price in a massive way.
00:48:47.520
And then on the border, look, we've got to ultimately have money to pay for planes and
00:48:52.580
law enforcement to get people out of the country.
00:48:59.400
Everyone needs to understand that illegal immigrants in this country, the level that Joe Biden brought
0.99
00:49:09.120
When you talk about the spending, I mean hundreds of billions of dollars being cost by illegal
00:49:15.500
immigrants being in this country and being on public programs are in place for American
00:49:22.660
When we get them out of the country, that's actually going to lower our spending levels
00:49:29.060
One of the changes in the big, beautiful bill will be getting millions of illegal immigrants
1.00
00:49:34.040
OK, they're costing Medicaid billions of dollars a year.
00:49:39.260
We have to not only have the border secure, but we've got to get these people out so they
1.00
00:49:44.500
All of this stuff has to work together to get our country on the right fiscal path forward.
00:49:52.880
Thank you so much for giving us some of the details on the big, beautiful bill.
00:49:55.920
What can you give us a sense as to what you what this announcement is supposed to be about
00:50:05.500
I'm going to let the president break that news, but it's very exciting stuff like the
00:50:09.320
president and something he's talked about for a long time.
00:50:11.880
The president wants to make make sure the homeland is secure.
00:50:14.720
He wants to make sure that other countries are deterred from ever thinking about even
0.99
00:50:20.480
even remotely thinking about attacking our country.
00:50:23.360
So it's all part of his vision of having the most lethal fighting force in the world.
00:50:28.240
And that is what really gives us the leverage to sit at the table and demand peace, not only
00:50:34.200
for ourselves and our allies, but everywhere across the globe.
00:50:37.260
And the world has been better off when America has been strong in the world.
00:50:40.460
And that is part and parcel, having a strong military is part and parcel of that effort.
00:50:53.580
That's James Blair, White House Deputy Chief of Staff.