Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 21 2026

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:00:02.420 Guaranteed human.

00:00:04.180 Get rewarded just for shopping with Simon Plus.

00:00:08.000 Don't miss Memorial Day sales at Simon Premium Outlets and Mills.

00:00:12.220 You can get points at scores of stores, access to exclusive offers, and exciting surprises.

00:00:19.240 You've got an extra day off, so make it pay off with the best deals from brands you love all in one place.

00:00:26.780 It's a summer kickoff thing.

00:00:28.060 join today at simonplus.com rewards program terms apply see simonplus.com for details

00:00:34.640 turn someday into right now with body by jake radio non-stop workout music and expert tips

00:00:40.780 24 7 hey head over to iheart.com search body by jake radio and stream it for free right now

00:00:47.020 awesome health and wellness tips 24 hours a day seven days a week remember stick to the fight

00:00:51.640 when your heart is hit it's when things seem worse that you must not quit don't quit body by jake

00:00:56.600 Radio, where hope meets momentum. Search Body by Jake Radio and stream it for free. Have a great

00:01:02.260 day. I heart radio. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Suxton show podcast.

00:01:11.080 Welcome, everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thanks for being here

00:01:16.520 with us. We have lots to discuss today with all of you right now. Donald Trump, President of the

00:01:23.620 state he's addressing the nation on rolling back some obama i'm sorry biden kind of like obama

00:01:29.400 biden era energy rules a whole range of other things we will bring you the highlights of that

00:01:35.060 we don't think we need to go live right to it given the subject matter but we'll bring you any

00:01:39.180 highlights that come from that uh some other big things on our radar the indictment of raul

00:01:44.940 castro castro uh yeah everyone's seeing this i think clay the last 24 hours pretty much the same

00:01:51.580 way which is gearing up for something with cuba something is going to happen here the status quo

00:01:57.760 is not going to be what happens uh trump administration is saying they're in the final

00:02:02.140 stages of negotiations we'll see we've been in the final stages of negotiations for weeks now

00:02:08.140 we'll see what that means um the launch of the 1.7 billion dollar anti-weaponization fund

00:02:15.500 fund plays something i think is worth discussing a little bit of the aftermath as well of some of

00:02:20.660 the elections yesterday and some people very upset about uh massey some people on the right

00:02:28.180 very upset that massey lost his congressional seat i think it's interesting clearly this is

00:02:32.400 about the symbolism of the massey fight because one seat in congress is first of all it's going

00:02:38.240 to go to a republican so it's not like we're even losing a house seat really it's just not going to

00:02:42.640 be a guy who had built a lot of his reputation over the last year or so on attacking donald

00:02:48.860 trump and the epstein files stuff and all the rest of it worth uh maybe revisiting some of that

00:02:54.500 something clay and i both noted and and i am glad that he thought it was worthy of discussion as

00:02:59.500 well today harvard's about to get rid of great inflation it seems yes um this is part of a

00:03:05.860 broader trend i mean i could tell you quite honestly i can only speak from my own experience

00:03:10.760 you tell me clay this was the deal at gw at amherst if you had a pulse and you didn't assault

00:03:17.360 anyone during class hours you pretty much got a b maybe a b plus and if you did some work you got

00:03:23.600 an a minus and if you were like reasonably talented you got an a that was that was really

00:03:28.040 those were the only grades unless you got caught plagiarizing and then you failed those were the

00:03:32.840 only because that happened to people that i know uh those were the only options harvard's now going

00:03:37.340 to have a bell curve which means there's going to be a whole bunch of people in the middle but

00:03:40.440 then there's going to be some A's and some F's.

00:03:44.040 Yeah, look, I think so.

00:03:47.780 If you go back and study, and some of you are going to remember this,

00:03:51.740 great inflation really took off during the Vietnam War

00:03:55.180 because you had to have a certain, some of you are going to remember this,

00:03:58.940 you had to have a certain GPA to be able to avoid the draft.

00:04:02.860 And many different professors out there didn't want to be the reason

00:04:07.640 that somebody went from being in a classroom to being forced to be drafted.

00:04:13.780 And in the initial days, that was an exemption you could get.

00:04:18.020 And so if you go back and look, great inflation started to skyrocket then.

00:04:23.200 And then it really took off anew during COVID.

00:04:26.440 And I think it was just this idea of, well, we're not going to punish people.

00:04:32.120 We don't want too much stress coming down on kids.

00:04:35.000 And I've looked at this, I think it's 70% of all Harvard classes you get an A now.

00:04:42.820 70%.

00:04:43.340 I mean, that is crazy.

00:04:44.920 Now, to be fair, some people would argue, well, if you're smart enough to get into Harvard,

00:04:50.220 you are operating at a different level than your average student.

00:04:55.220 Also not true, by the way.

00:04:57.160 That's a whole other discussion.

00:04:58.740 There are some, what I would say, if you want to adopt that mantra,

00:05:03.000 There are a couple of law schools, at least two that I know of, Stanford and Yale, which just have pass-fail for law school.

00:05:11.580 There are no grades.

00:05:12.940 Their argument to recruiters is Stanford and Yale are so elite, all we do is pass-fail.

00:05:19.860 And that gives students the opportunity to pursue their interest.

00:05:24.460 And frankly, if you're going to pass the bar exam at an incredibly high rate, which you should if you're admitted to either of those schools, then I would get it.

00:05:32.580 I actually think just going pass-fail is a better solution than giving everybody A's.

00:05:38.880 But Harvard now is saying they're doing away with great inflation.

00:05:41.900 And as Harvard goes, everywhere goes.

00:05:43.900 Buck, we talked about this, too.

00:05:45.800 There's an article front page, I think, yesterday I was reading in the Wall Street Journal.

00:05:49.900 Have you seen the number of kids that now get necessary medical additional time to take advanced tests

00:05:57.600 and how skewed it is for rich school districts?

00:06:02.580 In other words, you get untimed SAT and ACT.

00:06:07.180 I have particular, I grew up in New York at the absolute peak of SAT prep frenzy where there were articles written, and this is in 1990, you know, 98, 99 dollars about people making $1,000 an hour to be SAT tutors.

00:06:25.640 Okay.

00:06:26.200 That's how crazy it was.

00:06:27.680 In New York City, this was not necessarily, you probably had this a little bit in LA too.

00:06:30.980 But New York and Boston are always, I think, and D.C. to some extent, the epicenters of this.

00:06:37.480 But there were people I knew who they built their whole practices, sort of like child psychology practices,

00:06:45.960 on basically giving whatever parents would write them the checks, untimed testing.

00:06:52.620 And the thing about untimed testing that is so pernicious is that it's not like it says you took untimed testing,

00:07:00.380 because then, of course, that's not fair.

00:07:01.980 So everyone thinks that you got the same score

00:07:03.920 that everybody else did under the same constraints.

00:07:05.420 It's a lie.

00:07:06.400 It's a lie.

00:07:07.040 If you need untimed testing,

00:07:08.180 then they should just say you had untimed testing

00:07:09.860 and the school can decide

00:07:10.780 whether they want to deal with that constraint or not.

00:07:13.240 But, Clay, it was all over the place.

00:07:14.940 I knew people went to Ivy League schools of every kind,

00:07:17.700 Stanford, Duke, you name it, untimed testing.

00:07:20.740 Just so they could juice it.

00:07:21.640 By the way, they didn't need it.

00:07:22.520 Just so they could juice up their SATs.

00:07:24.040 The whole thing was a scam, folks.

00:07:25.580 We're all now.

00:07:26.260 Now because data is everywhere

00:07:27.680 and we can find these things,

00:07:29.080 the scams, Clay, 0.87

00:07:30.380 It's not just Somalis running scams. 0.74

00:07:32.120 A lot of people are running scams out there. 0.77

00:07:33.880 Well, we saw, was it the Varsity Blue case where people were buying their kids way into a different, a wide variety?

00:07:41.320 Well, that's a whole different thing.

00:07:41.960 That's pretending that your kid is a crew star.

00:07:45.400 But I think what you're seeing is these systems are being exploited in many different ways.

00:07:51.620 And the stat was that 40% of Stanford's class got special accommodations on testing.

00:07:59.320 and you know what's funny about this is in 2020 they suddenly said it's racist to standardized

00:08:06.360 test you remember so everybody went standardized test optional for those of you who have forgotten

00:08:10.960 many of the different crazy things that happened in 2020 and then what do you think happened

00:08:16.200 they found out that they were admitting people who didn't have the ability to do the bare minimum

00:08:21.740 and stay eligible in the schools that the standardized testing was was a rough approximation

00:08:28.880 of your ability to complete high-level schoolwork and so they have all now slowly trickled back in

00:08:37.220 to requiring the SAT or the ACT as a way because this goes to the grade inflation thing Buck

00:08:42.980 everybody's getting grade inflated so if everybody has a 4-0 who's a decent student at so many

00:08:49.560 different schools how do you tell the difference between a 4-0 well you have to have a standardized

00:08:54.320 test that is evenly applied across everyone and if people want to understand how this arms race

00:09:00.360 comes about and why there are a whole lot of schools that are i would consider middle tier

00:09:04.960 private schools right now also i'm going to note a lot of people say just go to state school

00:09:09.080 a lot of state schools are really hard to get into so put that aside for a second crazy hard

00:09:14.500 where you are now this idea that state school now is what it yeah is what it was in the 80s

00:09:19.700 it is not okay there's these schools are crazy hard to get into florida and florida state are

00:09:26.040 insanely difficult to get in both of them are now because the overall quality of school uh grad in

00:09:33.240 florida has skyrocketed and they give really great in-state scholarships so you can go to uf and you

00:09:38.620 can go to fsu for a fraction of what some of these high level schools are going to cost so but the

00:09:43.900 reason also all this stuff has mattered to people in the past so much is that there was a perception

00:09:49.600 that a certain level of elite school even an undergraduate program was entree into high

00:09:56.320 earning high status high influence so the whole thing here was we don't have enough black students

00:10:02.300 at harvard we don't have enough latino students at harvard unless we rig the system and it's not

00:10:07.720 okay for them to go to a school that's actually more fitting of their academic skills and level

00:10:13.160 at that point because the point of harvard and all these other so-called elite schools

00:10:18.380 is not to educate people it is to give them a credential that they can then monetize that's

00:10:25.380 the point the problem they've run into is that because they have distributed that monetizable

00:10:30.980 credential in a way that inherently undermines you know because the thing was oh i got i went

00:10:37.180 to harvard oh well i get to go to the top law firm or oh i get to go to the top whatever top

00:10:41.540 grad school top program you name whatever job you want engineering pro now it's okay well you went

00:10:48.080 to an ivy league school why'd you get in that's a fair question to ask oh every time and by the

00:10:55.000 and i'm going to admit also legacies athletes it's not just it's not just the preferred minority

00:10:59.000 groups legacies athletes to also factor into this my point here clay is that this whole system is

00:11:03.760 we you and i really our generation um went through the absolute thick of this madness

00:11:10.880 and i think maybe the uh you know the people 10 15 years younger than us it's changing now

00:11:16.000 It is really turning back.

00:11:17.860 And a lot of these schools that think they're going to be charging $70,000, $80,000, $90,000 a year,

00:11:23.120 I know that they have now scholarships and things for people that have less than $150,000 in household income.

00:11:28.960 I don't know how they're going to sustain themselves.

00:11:31.120 A lot of them are going to shut down.

00:11:33.160 I think you're going to see a lot of mergers.

00:11:35.420 I think we have way too many colleges relative to the value that many of them create.

00:11:40.640 And that's going to be sad because some of you went to schools that you really liked.

00:11:43.780 You're already seeing it, particularly where you went to school, Buck, in the Northeast.

00:11:47.880 There are so many small liberal arts schools.

00:11:51.300 I think what you're going to see, and I think this is a big thesis in general, is success.

00:11:58.160 So the elite of the elite are going to continue to do really, really well.

00:12:03.160 The ones that are very affordable, I think, will have a way to succeed.

00:12:07.060 But that middle tier, I think a lot of the middle tier schools are going to vanish.

00:12:10.640 Yeah, no offense to any Bucknell grads out there, but your kids might not, they might want to look at some other options.

00:12:18.260 I don't know why I just took a shot at Bucknell, but I did.

00:12:20.160 Yeah, poor, I was like, of all the places out there.

00:12:22.580 That's the one that came to mind.

00:12:23.820 I was like, meh.

00:12:25.340 I'll say this, Clay, as well.

00:12:27.600 If you want to really understand how much of this is branding versus education, those are two different things, right?

00:12:33.760 education is what you learn your skills improving your or you know expanding your mindset your

00:12:39.680 understanding of the world around you etc versus i put this on a resume i get the following things

00:12:46.960 because of it gill university is named for a slave trader they will never change the name

00:12:52.220 they you can have kids lying down in the street at yale demanding and by the way they wouldn't do

00:12:58.260 it either because they they actually know this as well yale university is named for a slave trader

00:13:03.060 not even a guy who just like owned a slave or two a guy who built his fortune trading slaves

00:13:07.960 they will never change their name to the university of you know east new haven or something yeah

00:13:13.740 because it's not about the education it's about the oh you went there so this whole university

00:13:21.340 industrial complex is going through a reckoning right now because of the federally backed uh

00:13:28.000 student loans which meant they could just jack up the prices everywhere uh because of taking all

00:13:32.820 these international students so then they could have the international students pay you know these

00:13:36.780 exorbitant tuitions so they could lard up the payroll with all of these administrators who

00:13:42.160 don't do anything other than lecture people about dei and you know pronouns uh this is our whole

00:13:49.260 higher education hierarchy really in this country is in the in right now a dramatic shift and clay

00:13:55.280 that is why harvard university is like we got to actually give people real grades yeah because

00:14:00.500 Because people are realizing that going to Harvard doesn't mean anything anymore.

00:14:03.940 It doesn't really mean anything. 0.89

00:14:05.540 I mean, to some people it does, but to a lot of people it's like, okay, well, you know, you're a student who went to Harvard, but, you know, you're from Kenya.

00:14:14.580 Was that a big help in you getting in?

00:14:17.340 Like, as an international student of color, was that something that was taken into account?

00:14:21.240 Or, you know, you're from wherever.

00:14:22.500 The point is.

00:14:24.400 I'm looking at the data more and more.

00:14:26.380 the number if if we believe that the value of super high education is an incredible asset in

00:14:35.500 the united states a conversation we should be having way more is why are we admitting so many

00:14:41.000 foreign students at the most elite american schools it's a it's a betrayal it's a betrayal

00:14:46.380 of our of our military technology and intelligence apparatus it's a betrayal all none of these 0.57

00:14:52.120 schools but notice how they all say we're private but we need those federal dollars yeah we need

00:14:57.080 the federal backing if you give up your federal dollars take in whoever you want they would say

00:15:02.500 well they're paying full freight that's why we need it i just i i think we and and i i'm doing

00:15:07.960 a deep dive on this in sports because people have shined my light on i shined a light on it for me

00:15:12.840 do you know what percentage of full scholarships now are being given in olympic sports to kids that

00:15:19.340 are not american that that are going to elite schools that have tennis has a huge all the a

00:15:25.460 lot of these big tennis programs which i know tweeting about this recently that oh really i

00:15:29.660 didn't see that yeah they're just bringing in all these uh these basically semi-pros yeah from

00:15:35.280 slovenia that's who's playing for like texas a and m on the tennis team these days like really

00:15:40.900 yeah yeah john mackenroe tweeted out and i think it is a window into what the schools are doing

00:15:46.240 in general sometimes overall uh but he tweeted i think four of the 24 um of the top tennis

00:15:55.940 competitors were actually american born so we have 24 in tennis players that are getting full

00:16:02.720 rides at american institutions makes no sense it's out that's outrageous why are we why are 0.89

00:16:07.700 your parents paying taxes in all these states and paying federal taxes so that foreign kids can

00:16:13.560 you know i i feel very strongly by the way totally disagree with trump on this we do not need 500,000

00:16:19.400 chinese students completely disagree with the president i don't know why he said it but we can

00:16:23.040 revisit that another time business insurance is just the cost of doing business for most companies

00:16:27.580 but how many different brokers does it take to be insured too many right super sure is the first

00:16:32.260 company we know of that makes sense of all the business insurance policies that owners like you

00:16:36.000 must maintain to operate their business wisely business owners complain of multiple policies

00:16:40.560 multiple applications different brokers no clear view of how it all fits together and when questions

00:16:44.780 come up it's not easy to get the clarity you need super short changes that one broker for all your

00:16:49.920 business insurance backed by a team who works with you year-round not just at renewal if you've ever

00:16:54.440 stared at a policy wondering what it covers super sure has a fine print fax tool that translates

00:16:59.020 the legal jargon into plain english so you know what's covered and what's not go online to super

00:17:03.300 sure.com slash buck get a full report on your current policies with no obligation find out if

00:17:08.480 you're over-insured, under-insured, or somewhere in between. Go to supersure.com slash buck,

00:17:13.340 one powerful platform, all your policies in one place. That's supersure.com slash B-U-C-K,

00:17:18.800 paid for by Supersure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency.

00:17:30.200 Get rewarded just for shopping with Simon Plus. Don't miss Memorial Day sales at Simon Premium

00:17:37.040 outlets and mills. You can get points at scores of stores, access to exclusive offers and exciting

00:17:43.940 surprises. You've got an extra day off, so make it pay off with the best deals from brands you love

00:17:50.820 all in one place. It's a summer kickoff thing. Join today at simonplus.com. Rewards program

00:17:58.320 term supply. See simonplus.com for details. Canadian women are looking for more. More out

00:18:03.480 themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world around them. And that's

00:18:07.720 why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart. And I'm Catherine

00:18:12.920 Clark. And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women, entrepreneurs, artists,

00:18:18.640 athletes, politicians, and newsmakers, all at different stages of their journey. So if you're

00:18:23.780 looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us. Listen to the Honest Talk podcast on iHeartRadio

00:18:28.620 or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

00:18:58.620 Have a great day.

00:19:02.480 We're about to be joined by our buddy, Ryan Gerdusky, who's a part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network.

00:19:09.000 But breaking news, and it is ongoing at this moment in Minneapolis.

00:19:13.480 The Department of Justice has announced 15 new indictments in the Minnesota fraud federal investigation,

00:19:20.760 saying they have uncovered $90 million in fraud,

00:19:25.140 seven different state-managed Medicaid programs.

00:19:28.860 I'm reading from Bill Malugin's Twitter feed

00:19:31.520 as they were being used, quote,

00:19:34.320 as personal piggy banks by the fraudsters.

00:19:37.620 It's shocking to see.

00:19:39.680 The DOJ says, Dr. Oz talking right now,

00:19:43.160 I don't think it stuns any of you

00:19:44.940 that many of these blue states have huge amounts of wasted dollars.

00:19:50.200 when it comes to fraud and we will get into that we'll get into a little bit of the other

00:19:56.520 i would say story that is ongoing the dnc has released its 2024 autopsy at ryan gerdusky with

00:20:06.520 us now ryan i want to hit you with some of these numbers um this is from the dnc autopsy and many

00:20:15.040 of you are going to remember this. In 2009, Democrats had 60 Senate seats, 256 congressional

00:20:25.900 seats. They had 28 governorships, 4,082 state legislature members, and 17 states where they

00:20:37.380 had a trifecta meaning they controlled all of it now now when you look at it uh senators 13 in

00:20:46.620 favor of republicans 41 uh different uh congressional seats moved in republican direction

00:20:53.720 governors moved in five more than 832 new republican state legislatures 13 states more

00:21:02.600 that are now the Republican trifecta.

00:21:05.320 That's a lot of data.

00:21:07.040 Does it surprise you?

00:21:08.400 Have Democrats learned anything?

00:21:10.420 What did you take from this overall autopsy of the defeat in 2024?

00:21:17.240 Well, I thought the autopsy missed a lot of things.

00:21:19.860 They didn't mention Biden's age at all in the entire autopsy.

00:21:24.560 It's over 100 pages long, so I didn't read the entire thing.

00:21:27.280 I skimmed a bit of it.

00:21:28.860 I thought they were missing quite a bit.

00:21:30.500 I think that they did nail the fact that they thought that Kamala Harris was out of touch and that the fact that she, her, her immigrant transgender, immigrant transgender ad was devastating towards towards Kamala's campaign that Trump made.

00:21:44.060 That was the ad that Alex Pfeiffer made, I believe.

00:21:46.540 The numbers go when it comes to a level of support.

00:21:50.640 Actually, that's a pretty rosy image for Democrats, because if they would have done it from 2009 until 2016, those numbers would have looked actually far worse for Democrats.

00:22:00.080 What we saw through it most of that time, especially the Biden administration, was the realignment where states that had local Democrat control completely abolished.

00:22:10.300 Remember, Mississippi in 2009 had three Democratic congressmen and was majority Democratic legislatures.

00:22:17.300 So was Alabama.

00:22:18.460 So was so was Louisiana.

00:22:20.680 Texas was one seat away from flipping from majority Republican to majority Democrat in 2009.

00:22:26.320 that's how much the south still held on from like the 1950s and 40s of local democratic control and

00:22:33.820 obama just devastated that that's really an indictment of more obama than it is even kamala

00:22:38.900 harris and joe biden and really how you know how toxic obama's presidency were to democrats in

00:22:44.220 whole regions of the country ryan thanks for being here with us i know you've done some looking into

00:22:50.440 it looks like there's an age divide specifically on Iran right now

00:22:56.080 and support for it and how it's all going.

00:22:58.500 Can you walk us through a couple things on this one?

00:23:00.060 First of all, the GOP, it seems, is very united behind Trump.

00:23:04.340 I'm talking now, of course, just Republican voters.

00:23:06.400 Very united behind Trump overall, united behind him on Iran,

00:23:10.600 but also kind of not happy in some percentage with how Iran is going.

00:23:15.740 Like, can you help us make sense?

00:23:17.780 Is this a big deal?

00:23:18.980 Is this going to affect the midterms?

00:23:20.440 Is everything OK?

00:23:22.300 Am I being too pessimistic?

00:23:23.640 Am I not being pessimistic enough?

00:23:25.380 Like, explain this.

00:23:27.160 Well, I've never heard you not be pessimistic enough.

00:23:29.760 So there's the wow.

00:23:30.680 But I know that's fair. 1.00

00:23:31.880 Salty, salty, gurdusky. 1.00

00:23:34.340 Go ahead.

00:23:34.840 But but I think that Republicans in large are in very favor of Trump and of the Iran war.

00:23:43.660 That number is slipping, and it's especially slipping with voters under the age of 49.

00:23:48.420 If you think of the entire lineage of the Iraq war, Afghanistan war, the war on terror, people before 1980 have borne much of the sacrifice of every one of those conflicts.

00:24:01.940 So people born after 1980 are very, very, very pessimistic when it comes to foreign policy.

00:24:08.160 They do not want nation building.

00:24:09.660 They do not want wars overseas.

00:24:11.580 And they've also had a change of heart around the subject of Israel.

00:24:15.020 When the New York Times looked at just Republican voters under between the ages of 18 to 49, 75 percent of voters over 45, largely those who get their news from cable news, they were in favor of the war.

00:24:28.920 Voters between the ages of 18 to 44, rather not 49, 44, 53 percent opposed the war to 39 who supported.

00:24:36.800 And by a two to one margin, Republicans under 45 say it is not worth the cost of going to war with Iran.

00:24:44.360 They're also the ones trying to pay for their mortgage and their kids' tuition and all the gas prices and everything like that.

00:24:49.760 What's most shocking, really, of all the data is the question of Israel.

00:24:54.660 When they asked about what you want from a Republican presidential candidate in 2028, 70 percent of Republicans under the age of 45 want the Republican presidential candidate to take a different approach to Israel than Trump.

00:25:07.320 Among voters over 45, it was only 20 percent want a different opinion than Trump does.

00:25:13.100 So it is a complete split. But we're not going to see that electorally for at least another decade because baby boomers and elder Gen Xers are by far the majority of Republican primary voters.

00:25:24.760 It's going to take a little while to see that actually change out and bear out in elections.

00:25:28.380 But we're probably a decade away from seeing a gigantic shift on foreign policy with inside the Republican Party.

00:25:35.380 I'm glad you brought this up, Ryan.

00:25:38.140 My middle son is 15, and he had a bunch of his friends over.

00:25:43.160 They're playing basketball in the backyard.

00:25:46.580 And these are kids that are predisposed, the school that my kids go to, 75% Trump voters.

00:25:54.560 They polled the kids in the school, 75-25, maybe it was 80-20, something like that.

00:26:00.260 The kids voted for Trump.

00:26:02.620 And let me give you a little bit more.

00:26:03.600 When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, basically the whole school wore jackets and ties to school the next day in honor of Charlie Kirk.

00:26:12.720 So they are hyper online.

00:26:14.640 They were very big Charlie Kirk fans.

00:26:17.300 This past, about 10 days ago, they sat down with me.

00:26:20.420 They had a couple of questions about politics.

00:26:22.620 And they all wanted to know why APAC was so influential.

00:26:28.000 now this blew my mind because when i was 15 years old maybe you knew the nra i didn't know any

00:26:36.000 interest groups they are seeing videos that are telling them all day long and this is significant

00:26:42.500 i think israel is making all the decisions in the united states apac runs our entire political

00:26:49.700 organization these are kids who were previously watching charlie kirk videos now they're watching

00:26:56.000 anti-israel anti-apac uh videos it's showing up on all their feeds they're asking me about it

00:27:02.080 i think it's one of the most successful uh anti-israel campaigns that i have ever seen

00:27:08.400 and the younger you are the more you're seeing it and it sounds like you're seeing it reflected

00:27:14.160 now in the polls i've seen it reflected in my own household what's going on here yeah you know i

00:27:20.020 live half my life in louisiana it's red state red county america and i i personal experience

00:27:26.140 almost every person i know cannot stand israel from now down this is a place that there will 0.69

00:27:31.260 be more zionists in louisiana than there would be in israel 20 years ago i think there's a real

00:27:36.920 shift in mentality where voters feel like they got they asked for one thing and got another and

00:27:43.520 voters feel in large part that they have very little control. So it is easy to prop up other

00:27:50.840 entities and say they must have the control because I feel like I have no control. And that's

00:27:55.360 why a lot of conspiracies have flourished in the last couple of years, especially online.

00:28:00.680 I think that I think that Bibi Netanyahu for all I don't know, I don't know the man, but for all 0.91

00:28:06.940 is good and bad. He has done a terrible job with PR when it comes to America and Americans and

00:28:11.600 leaning so heavily into an older generation, a cable news generation, and a generation with

00:28:16.520 living memory of the Holocaust, which is a big divide of it. We are talking about a generation

00:28:21.840 not only obviously didn't live through the World War II, but doesn't know anybody or has never even

00:28:27.300 seen a living person who went through the Holocaust. When I was a kid, we had Holocaust 0.60

00:28:31.140 survivors who would come to schools and stuff like that. That doesn't exist anymore. So as all those

00:28:36.080 things escape living memory. Relationships change, and we do not, and also change within communities

00:28:43.560 that are not over-evangelical. Why are we so loyal to this nation? Why does Israel have a nation

00:28:50.700 specifically created around identity? Why don't we have that? There's a lot of anger or frustration

00:28:55.780 or worry or concern or questions about that. And so that is really the divide, is I think a big

00:29:01.840 part of it is living memory with anyone who ever existed from the Holocaust, living memory of

00:29:05.940 any of these things. And it exposes people to a lot of questions that I think that supporters

00:29:11.440 of Israel really haven't thought of how to answer and talk about. Speaking of our friend Ryan

00:29:16.200 Gerdusky's podcast is it's a numbers game. And speaking of the numbers, Brian, congrats on doing

00:29:21.260 great numbers on the podcast recently, growing, growing month, month, month after month. And I

00:29:27.720 just wanted to because I want to take us into a somewhat somewhat happy. Well, yeah, I'm gonna

00:29:32.500 take us into a happy direction i hope i think is the redistricting situation looking like it might

00:29:37.740 be the x factor that allows republicans to keep the house in your mind is that is that is it

00:29:45.760 powerful enough that it could do that or is that giving it too much credit or what it's powerful

00:29:50.780 enough to keep republicans where i think that if they lose the house they lose us by 10 seats at

00:29:55.600 most right now where it's a 10 seat majority never in either which way i i think that there

00:30:00.480 The ceiling for Democrats is lower than it ever has been.

00:30:03.780 I don't think that there's a way really for them to get to 230 seats or, you know, maybe

00:30:09.840 228 at most is what we're looking at.

00:30:12.480 230 would be a stretch, maybe a few seats flip here or there.

00:30:15.960 But Republicans need to do a little bit better on polling. 1.00

00:30:19.120 Gas prices need to come down.

00:30:20.860 The economy needs to get better for people.

00:30:23.580 If that happens, then yes, Republicans can keep the House.

00:30:26.420 It is that significant.

00:30:27.280 But as long as gas prices are high, I still think Democrats have the favor, but they would have like a 90 percent chance.

00:30:34.080 Now they probably have like a 65 percent chance of winning the House.

00:30:38.020 Let's talk to A.I. for a minute. There's been a lot of talk about the United Health Care CEO's assassination.

00:30:45.400 What are you seeing as it pertains to A.I.? And I know you've got a discussion surrounding the danger.

00:30:53.040 I know a lot of these AI guys and gals, unfortunately, they have huge security teams that are following them around now because they're starting to be a demonization, I think, of a significant level of big tech associated with it.

00:31:08.760 What do you see?

00:31:10.260 So I did a whole every episode this week on a numbers game podcast on my podcast for the Clan Buck Network is about AI.

00:31:17.260 It's about data centers, AI.

00:31:18.820 I bring on journalists and experts to really just go through what is nonsense, what is the truth, and what's really in the middle that we could talk about.

00:31:25.080 The numbers against AI are so aggressive and have shifted so aggressively.

00:31:29.280 And what I predict in this episode that's coming out tomorrow is I think over the next three years, a serious assassination against a tech executive is not impossible.

00:31:39.280 You know, the Luigi Mangione, how he is treated by the far left and how he is worshipped and glorified and almost treated as a saint is something to behold in the sense that they weren't repulsed by a murderer.

00:31:53.800 And in the last couple of months, we've had two assassination attempts against Sam Altman.

00:31:57.740 They were both unsuccessful, but they got a Molotov cocktail through his window of his house or in front of his house.

00:32:03.680 It is not as long as you go outside, you are absolutely under risk if you are high profile enough.

00:32:11.900 And I don't know if there's a security team in the world that could change that.

00:32:14.740 And as and I think that the people like Kevin O'Leary, who have been going to bat and saying data centers and are good and whatnot, I think they have a lot of the wrong messengers.

00:32:24.500 And as for every time that you have someone say something smart, like Jeff Bezos was on CNBC, had a really, really strong interview why I was good.

00:32:32.200 You also have Dario Modi from from blanking on Anthropic.

00:32:39.060 He's going on and saying 50 percent unemployment and a complete apocalypse of new jobs.

00:32:44.240 They've created a very bad PR for themselves.

00:32:46.700 And they've had and having, you know, billionaires that look like the bad guy from a superhero movie making the case for them is not really the best option.

00:32:54.980 Lex Luthor would not be selling the best option for them.

00:32:57.560 I think it's really coming to a boiling point.

00:32:59.280 I think that there's a lot of anger, and it's getting worse as the generations are getting younger, and anxiety is overwhelmingly of, can I find a job, or is AI going to take my job from me?

00:33:11.200 But what about the dog robot that we're all going to have that will bark and will never leave us and maybe can go fetch things for you?

00:33:20.240 There's going to be upside here, too, Ryan.

00:33:21.940 Don't forget that.

00:33:22.840 did you see the robot that was gonna it was the guy wanted a beer from for anything on the couch

00:33:29.580 and the robot lifted the refrigerator and brought it to brought it to the guy and i was like why

00:33:35.420 didn't they just take the beer out of the refrigerator why'd they lift the entire

00:33:38.260 refrigerator did you see the robot that was trying to michael jackson dance that did not go well that

00:33:43.920 that also went viral i might be the only person who's optimistic about ai on the planet by the

00:33:50.140 way no i'm i'm actually optimistic about it i think i think people are yeah i think this is

00:33:54.340 like a lot of chicken little stuff personally but they're but but the ai companies are creating

00:33:58.660 their own bad pr that is to a large extent true and and the fact that they will not allow they

00:34:05.020 don't want any regulations on the industry at all when i said in the podcast was this

00:34:08.940 ai is supposed to do all this great stuff on health right and they're supposed to be able

00:34:11.760 to scan our bodies and get results that's great that's wonderful i'm totally for that

00:34:15.860 Who owns those scans, though? Does the A.I. company and then can they sell them or does the doctor?

00:34:22.660 Is there any HIPAA require regulation? Those are real questions.

00:34:27.020 And they deserve a real answer. And the and and A.I. companies screaming it's you want China to win is not the appropriate answer.

00:34:36.180 If you want to have an adult conversation, because if what happened, this is my big fear.

00:34:40.200 If they mythos did not get released, their newest mythos because they were afraid of hacking.

00:34:45.200 Let's say they do break an AI system.

00:34:48.140 We've got 30 seconds, Ryan.

00:34:49.340 We've got to go.

00:34:49.920 Go ahead.

00:34:50.880 If we have a cataclysmic attack or a cataclysmic event because of AI, 1.00

00:34:54.880 we will have stupid people making regulations. 1.00

00:34:57.340 We should have smart people ahead of time. 1.00

00:34:58.900 That's what you want, and that's why we should have this conversation now.

00:35:02.600 Smart people making regulations.

00:35:05.220 Good luck with that one.

00:35:06.220 Ryan Gerdusky, everybody, go check out.

00:35:07.860 It's a numbers game.

00:35:09.180 He's great.

00:35:09.920 He's brilliant.

00:35:10.600 You'll love it.

00:35:11.180 Go check it out.

00:35:11.900 um look there are burglaries in places all over america there are home invasions bad stuff happens

00:35:18.240 uh there was a really nasty home invasion here in miami beach some months back that really shook

00:35:22.960 up some friends of mine who actually live in the building so it can just happen anywhere and you

00:35:27.740 want to be prepared you need to be able to protect yourself this is where saber comes in

00:35:30.740 saber is spelled s-a-b-r-e and the website is saber protect.com saber has been manufacturing

00:35:37.340 great non-lethal self-protection tools for decades they're very effective like the saber home defense

00:35:43.740 launcher carrie and i have this here at home saber home defense launcher is easy to use deliver seven

00:35:48.460 powerful pepper impact projectiles two more than most competitors right now you can save up to 15

00:35:53.540 on select bundles when safety matters america chooses saber number one brand trusted by police

00:35:58.680 and millions worldwide don't wait for a close call get protection now at saber protect.com

00:36:03.340 That's S-A-B-R-E-Protect.com or call 844-824-SAFE.

00:36:16.580 We've got a couple things right off the bat here. 0.52

00:36:20.400 Cuba, looking at this as a, well, a moment in time where it seems increasingly clear to everybody

00:36:28.840 that something's going to happen here.

00:36:30.920 Something's going to get, something's going to change.

00:36:33.340 and we will look at that with you momentarily.

00:36:36.740 We've also got Sonny Hostin stepping into Clay's Sports Analysis Thunderdome,

00:36:42.340 which I definitely want to hear his take on that one.

00:36:44.860 But in the meantime, this is actually over at Fox News.

00:36:49.460 They had a breaking news on this one.

00:36:52.340 The great Harris Faulkner here reading the breaking news.

00:36:56.760 I just want to let you hear it.

00:36:57.800 This is about what just happened in Minnesota.

00:36:59.700 Listen to this.

00:37:00.440 Play 32.

00:37:01.500 Breaking news.

00:37:02.380 A Minnesota judge has just sentenced the mastermind behind the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme, Amy Bach.

00:37:10.460 She just got more than 41 years in prison.

00:37:14.080 The prosecution is asking for a 50-year sentence and her defense about three years.

00:37:20.200 So that's somewhere in the middle that they got that, but closer to what, obviously, the prosecution wanted.

00:37:26.240 The scheme involved theft of nearly $250 million in COVID funding.

00:37:31.100 that money was meant to feed hungry children so there's i got i got a lot here on this play

00:37:37.320 because people are paying attention to this fraud thing now first of all you know you have mom donnie

00:37:42.200 clapping back if you will at jeff bezos saying i i know a bunch of teachers who disagree and

00:37:48.680 they think of your taxes meaning the bezos were higher they'd be in better shape that's wrong

00:37:53.240 mom donnie is an economic illiterate but all all communists are economic illiterates

00:37:57.920 uh they just have a religion of power and taking from other people and that's all that really

00:38:03.600 matters um but clay i i gotta say people when they see things like a 250 million dollar fraud

00:38:14.020 and this person is just now uh what is this years later uh six years later having justice catch up

00:38:21.640 with her but that you could steal 250 million dollars so easily and such a large sum of money

00:38:28.840 and this isn't a one-off this is lots of people are stealing millions and millions and millions

00:38:34.300 of dollars from the government and democrats want to talk about raising our taxes democrats say that

00:38:40.080 we're not paying our fair share if you're a high earner i it just goes to like what are we even

00:38:45.860 doing here folks 250 million dollars claim by the way 40 years in prison i think madoff got 150

00:38:52.120 but 40 years in prison for a fraud for a non-violent crime is a long prison sentence

00:38:58.220 make it more i mean i this is this is really the key and i give credit to senator ron johnson

00:39:07.880 who has just hammered this and and it is so important and it probably is something that

00:39:14.640 should be said every day every hour of every day we have a you were talking about this off air 40

00:39:20.780 trillion dollar uh budget deficit now and every year we're adding one and a half trillion two

00:39:28.440 trillion dollars to that budget deficit and when the tea party got fired up and started

00:39:34.040 it was when we were approaching 10 trillion dollars in uh national debt so just a little

00:39:42.540 bit of math for you from the founding of the country and the signing of the constitution

00:39:47.700 and federal government being able to borrow money all the way up to 2010 we had run up a 10 trillion

00:39:57.720 dollar national debt since 2010 so what is that 16 years in the last 16 years we have added 30

00:40:09.180 trillion dollars in national debt let me repeat that the whole history of the united states

00:40:16.680 up to 2010 we ran up a 10 trillion dollar uh national debt we have added 30 trillion dollars

00:40:26.960 in national debt in the last 16 years both parties have done it everybody's guilty and

00:40:33.740 there's just a magical era as if there is no consequence and it would be one thing if a lot

00:40:40.880 of us sat around and said you know what the government's really good at things but i thought

00:40:45.140 jeff bezos maybe we can pull it back again i encourage you to go watch the whole jeff bezos

00:40:49.580 uh interview that he did with cnbc he pointed out that new york city buck spends an average

00:40:55.900 of $44,000 a year per public school student.

00:41:03.360 $44,000 a year, and they get awful results.

00:41:09.580 If New York City had unbelievable outcomes,

00:41:12.900 maybe we would sit back and say,

00:41:14.280 hey, you know what, they actually don't test well.

00:41:17.140 The performance of the average New York City

00:41:19.200 public school kid is not great,

00:41:20.880 and it's way more even than kids get spent in Chicago,

00:41:24.660 and jeff bezos we can grab that uh ran through all the math we're not only spending money like

00:41:30.960 drunken sailors we're getting awful results and buck much of it is stolen so it would be better

00:41:39.220 if we just cut half of all government spending i don't think there would be

00:41:44.060 a negative result if our budget just got cut in half and what is our budget now seven trillion

00:41:50.060 I think if we went to three and a half trillion and we just said hey we're cutting half of

00:41:55.840 everything I think that most people out there would have almost no significant impact it wouldn't

00:42:02.420 change average education it wouldn't change average health care um and by the way don't

00:42:08.020 even get me started on social security and the way that we're applying it and the fact that it's not

00:42:13.520 going to be there for me and Buck who are putting a lot of money into social security if you're in

00:42:18.080 your 40s if you're certainly if you're in your 30s social security is not going to exist for you

00:42:23.020 so you're putting all this money in there and it's just a broken system and it's not going to

00:42:28.740 work for you and they're giving you inflation era returns uh and that's only if you live long enough

00:42:35.060 to get it it's the fact that nobody goes after social security to me in terms of the brokenness

00:42:41.420 of the program and the fact that it's an awful deal for most sane, reasonable, responsible

00:42:48.260 Americans, it's crazy to me that we have just accepted that Social Security, as if it's

00:42:54.580 a great program, for a lot of people, it's a disaster.

00:42:58.560 Really, you're just rolling the dice and hoping that you live a long time.

00:43:02.300 If you die beforehand, you get nothing.

00:43:06.800 Let's be on the soapbox.

00:43:08.840 At some point, no, that was good.

00:43:11.320 When you're fired up, it's good.

00:43:13.300 Speaking of fired up, we're going to get that Sonny Hostin clip.

00:43:15.540 I'm not letting that go.

00:43:17.600 But we're almost at $40 trillion in debt, everybody.

00:43:22.120 And the reality is that when it's clear that there's a real crisis because of the debt,

00:43:29.180 and a lot of it is just confidence, confidence that investors have,

00:43:33.080 confidence that the rest of the world has, including China, for example,

00:43:36.140 which buys a lot of our treasuries and some of these other countries buy U.S. treasuries.

00:43:40.440 a loss of investor confidence could trigger a major recession.

00:43:48.140 And if Treasury auctions all of a sudden don't give us the kind of financial wizardry

00:43:56.760 that we've gotten used to, our whole standard of living

00:44:00.360 and the way that America operates, it all changes very rapidly.

00:44:03.780 And if you're asking me what is the biggest,

00:44:05.360 Other than internal divisions from endless wide open illegal and too much legal immigration, another conversation for another time, but a too rapidly changing American population from outsiders and the left becoming so insane that you start to get you start to wonder how far we are from like separatist movements and things like that forming.

00:44:29.360 That's one.

00:44:30.180 That's a real threat that I see in this country.

00:44:32.080 I don't see it tomorrow, but I see it over the next 20 to 30 years.

00:44:35.360 I think also the debt is a real threat to our standard.

00:44:40.160 I'm not saying that the debt is going to, in the middle of the night,

00:44:42.920 show up like the boogeyman and capture you

00:44:45.280 and take you down into the netherworld or something,

00:44:48.220 but that would be kind of a bad horror movie.

00:44:51.580 Like, the national debt comes for you now.

00:44:54.640 It's like Stranger Things, except debt.

00:44:57.200 It kind of is.

00:44:58.140 The national debt kind of is a giant smoke monster,

00:45:00.680 except it's going after America, not a bunch of little kids.

00:45:03.580 Wait, is it a smoke monster? No, that's lost.

00:45:05.360 Whatever, I get these things.

00:45:06.220 Smoke Monster's great from loss.

00:45:08.020 No, it's the Demi Gorgons primarily.

00:45:10.540 There you go.

00:45:11.220 Nerd alert in Stranger Things.

00:45:13.640 And I'm just saying that we have shown no willingness to look at this seriously,

00:45:19.300 and I think it's one of the biggest problems that we have.

00:45:22.140 But why are we talking about this also?

00:45:23.600 Because of the fraud situation. 0.98

00:45:25.500 What does it tell people who are busting their asses 0.97

00:45:27.880 and who are calling in and saying, 0.98

00:45:29.760 hey, I work a 9 to 5, or maybe a 9 to 7,

00:45:32.700 or a 5 a.m. to noon shift or whatever you're doing, all of you,

00:45:37.680 and you're saying, you know, Buck, I pay my bills.

00:45:41.480 I don't run up big debts.

00:45:43.260 But, man, is it getting tight on the monthly budget.

00:45:45.520 Man, are the gas price plus the food price plus the cost of a mortgage,

00:45:50.700 the cost of money, the amount of money I had to have to put into this,

00:45:53.320 all these things.

00:45:53.840 And then you hear there are people that just get magic money from the government,

00:45:58.300 hundreds of billions of dollars for pretending that they're feeding children.

00:46:02.700 I mean, that's what just happened here.

00:46:04.680 $250 million.

00:46:06.300 If it were $250,000 of fraud, I would say, you know, no one's really paying attention.

00:46:12.160 $250 million?

00:46:13.320 It just feels like we have an unserious government when it comes to our finances, to our money, and to the Treasury.

00:46:21.000 It feels like no one pays attention.

00:46:23.300 No one cares.

00:46:24.520 The whole thing is a scam.

00:46:26.080 Meanwhile, you know, I get audited by New York State every second that I spend in New York City.

00:46:31.540 It's like if you play by the rules, the rules are everywhere

00:46:35.800 and constantly just chipping away at you and all these crazy.

00:46:41.740 Or you can just get $200 million for pretending to feed starving kids

00:46:45.160 and no one seems to figure this out.

00:46:47.840 See if you can, Producer Alley, find.

00:46:50.140 I don't remember my audit.

00:46:52.900 I believe that I owed $35.

00:46:56.000 The IRS came after me, and I think it was like $35.75.

00:47:01.540 that I had underpaid my taxes.

00:47:04.260 And by the way, that is a tiny percentage of the tax dollars that I had paid.

00:47:09.860 They told me, I think I settled.

00:47:11.800 They were like, hey, you underpaid your taxes.

00:47:14.300 God knows what I paid in accountant fees to do my audit.

00:47:17.620 You thought you were going to get away with half of a Chick-fil-A order

00:47:21.280 on Uncle Sam's dime, Clay?

00:47:23.880 Imagine how much money was spent for the government to collect $35.75 back from me.

00:47:31.540 And by the way, I'm sure that I didn't actually owe it,

00:47:35.500 but I think I wrote it for, you know, 36 bucks rounded up just to help out, right?

00:47:40.840 And meanwhile, all these people out here are running $100 million,

00:47:46.320 billion dollar fraud, and we can't catch it?

00:47:49.760 The government can catch me, they think, not paying $35 that I owe,

00:47:54.320 and they can't catch people not stealing $35 million?

00:47:58.400 I just think it's about who you want to focus on.

00:48:01.540 And they told me as soon as we took this show, Buck, they said, get ready to get audited every year.

00:48:07.740 And I get audited every year.

00:48:09.480 By the way, here's Bezos, especially when Joe Biden was in office.

00:48:13.900 Here's Bezos talking about what would happen using the New York City school budget as an example.

00:48:21.280 Cut 34.

00:48:22.540 The New York City school system.

00:48:24.800 Right.

00:48:25.340 They spend $44,000 per student.

00:48:30.320 $44,000.

00:48:31.540 That's 30% more per student than other big cities like Chicago, L.A., and Boston.

00:48:38.080 And it's three times more than Miami and Houston.

00:48:42.640 And by the way, New York City doesn't get better outcomes.

00:48:45.840 So, listen, let me just say, if we ran Amazon the way New York City runs their school system,

00:48:53.880 your packages would take six weeks to arrive.

00:48:56.420 We'd have to charge you a $100 delivery fee.

00:48:58.880 And then when the package did finally arrive, it'd have the wrong item in it anyway.

00:49:04.240 Yeah.

00:49:05.480 Yeah.

00:49:06.460 I mean, I just think the math here, we need, and I give credit to Bezos.

00:49:10.500 I want more super smart guys who are good at math, looking at the way that our government

00:49:15.720 spends money and calling it out like this, because Bezos had to, whatever you think about

00:49:20.340 Bezos, I don't even know what Bezos' current politics are.

00:49:23.580 He had to make a profit, right?

00:49:25.960 He has to run a business to make a profit.

00:49:28.220 How many of our elected officials do you think have ever run a business that had to make a profit in their lives?

00:49:34.160 I'll make it easy for you.

00:49:35.140 How many elected officials who are Democrats have done that?

00:49:38.080 Because I can actually think of Republicans who come from business.

00:49:41.720 You've got a lot of Democrats who just come from running for office, basically.

00:49:47.180 Running for one office, another office, the public sector.

00:49:49.460 They come from the government, public sector.

00:49:51.800 They've never actually had to sit down and make a profit ever.

00:49:55.640 And there used to be Democrats that had some business backing.

00:49:59.200 Now there are none.

00:50:01.080 Yeah, this reminds me of the discussion in Ghostbusters when Columbia University kicks them out.

00:50:08.800 And Venkman is telling everybody that it's going to be okay.

00:50:12.040 But then Ray is like, I've worked in the private sector.

00:50:15.380 They expect results.

00:50:16.900 You remember that?

00:50:17.720 Oh, yeah.

00:50:18.200 Yeah, it's real.

00:50:19.440 By the way, Ghostbusters, very pro-capitalism movie, very anti-regulation.

00:50:23.460 Who are the bad guys?

00:50:24.660 The EPA.

00:50:26.480 The EPA.

00:50:27.820 They're trying to keep the ghosts out of the atmosphere,

00:50:30.820 and the EPA comes and shuts them down.

00:50:32.920 EPA unleashes all the monsters.

00:50:34.940 There's a lesson there, folks.

00:50:36.160 Make your kids watch Ghostbusters.

00:50:37.960 All right.

00:50:39.340 Let's talk about something else for a moment here.

00:50:40.500 Our sponsor, Preborn, doing incredibly important work

00:50:43.020 saving the lives of tiny babies day in and day out.

00:50:47.080 This past year, they saved the lives of more than 80,000 unborn children.

00:50:50.220 Think about how that changes the trajectory of so many,

00:50:53.580 not just women, but entire families, for good and toward a godly path.

00:50:58.720 When a woman walks into one of Preborn's clinics, she's welcome with open arms.

00:51:02.300 She's introduced to her baby through an ultrasound,

00:51:04.240 and for the first time she sees life, not risk,

00:51:07.420 and she's offered hope-filled choices by Preborn.

00:51:11.180 When she chooses life, Preborn continues walking with her for up to two years,

00:51:15.240 providing maternity clothes, diapers, counseling, and so much more. 0.98

00:51:18.340 They want moms to become moms, have their babies, 0.82

00:51:22.320 and have beautiful lives with them. 0.93

00:51:24.800 Pre-born cares for the whole woman and the precious baby growing inside her.

00:51:28.320 There are hundreds of thousands of mothers to be in this situation today.

00:51:31.180 So if you have the ability to make a donation, please, $28, just $28 would pay for an ultrasound,

00:51:37.920 which is that entry beginning experience for the mom at a pre-born clinic of meeting her baby.

00:51:44.460 Using your cell phone, dial pound 250, say the keyword baby.

00:51:48.280 That's pound 250, say the keyword baby.

00:51:50.760 $28, $280.

00:51:53.500 $280 would be 10 ultrasounds.

00:51:56.100 Think about that.

00:51:57.100 You might be helping 10 little adorable baby boys, baby girls come into this world,

00:52:01.520 bond with their mother via that ultrasound, and then months later,

00:52:05.580 mom has a new boy, new girl.

00:52:07.520 Go to preborn.com slash buck.

00:52:09.320 That's preborn.com slash buck.

00:52:11.160 All gifts are tax deductible.

00:52:12.980 Preborn.com slash buck or dial pound 250 and say the keyword,

00:52:17.220 baby, sponsored by Preborn.

00:52:20.760 Get rewarded just for shopping with Simon+.

00:52:30.160 Don't miss Memorial Day sales at Simon Premium Outlets and Mills.

00:52:34.940 You can get points at scores of stores, access to exclusive offers, and exciting surprises.

00:52:41.960 You've got an extra day off, so make it pay off with the best deals from brands you love all in one place.

00:52:49.500 It's a summer kickoff thing.

00:52:51.460 Join today at simonplus.com.

00:52:54.420 Rewards program terms apply.

00:52:55.820 See simonplus.com for details. 0.61

00:52:57.860 Canadian women are looking for more. 1.00

00:52:59.920 More out of themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world around them. 0.97

00:53:04.080 And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast.

00:53:07.740 I'm Jennifer Stewart.

00:53:08.940 And I'm Catherine Clark.

00:53:09.960 And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women.

00:53:13.920 Entrepreneurs, artists, athletes, politicians, and newsmakers.

00:53:17.280 all at different stages of their journey.

00:53:19.740 So if you're looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us.

00:53:22.960 Listen to the Honest Talk podcast on iHeartRadio

00:53:25.340 or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

00:53:28.420 Turn someday into right now with Body by Jake Radio.

00:53:32.400 Nonstop workout music and expert tips 24-7.

00:53:35.060 Hey, head over to iHeart.com, search Body by Jake Radio

00:53:38.320 and stream it for free right now.

00:53:40.680 Awesome health and wellness tips 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

00:53:44.260 Remember, stick to the fight.

00:53:45.240 When your heart is hit, it's when things seem worse that you must not quit.

00:53:48.780 Don't quit.

00:53:49.560 Body by Jake Radio, where hope meets momentum.

00:53:52.800 Search Body by Jake Radio and stream it for free.

00:53:55.520 Have a great day.

00:53:56.320 I heart radio.

00:53:59.560 Steve Eubanks joins us now.

00:54:01.880 Sports journalist, author of God Ball.

00:54:04.860 First book to seriously examine the modern surge of public Christian faith in American sports.

00:54:12.900 Going to get to that in a moment.

00:54:13.960 But first, you have six kids and 14 grandkids, Steve.

00:54:19.860 I don't know how you had time to write a book.

00:54:22.700 Well, geometric progressions work, Clay.

00:54:24.660 I mean, once you've had six kids, the next step gets a lot bigger.

00:54:29.960 That is awesome.

00:54:31.120 Well, congratulations on that.

00:54:32.500 Now, I feel like a lot of people that are listening to us right now

00:54:35.780 have grown accustomed to the amount of athletes that mention their religion,

00:54:40.780 that, thank God, in a post-game interview, sometimes in a pre-game interview,

00:54:45.320 athletes are some of the most religious public figures anywhere in the country by far,

00:54:52.280 but it doesn't really get talked about that much.

00:54:54.480 Where did the inspiration, where did the idea to write this book come from?

00:54:58.180 Well, I think it came from what you just talked about.

00:55:00.200 Like you, I watch a lot of sports, and you couldn't watch a pre-game press conference

00:55:05.860 or a post-game interview without seeing people speak about their faith.

00:55:09.920 And I was thinking to myself, surely I'm not the only person who is seeing this.

00:55:14.600 And as I began to do some research and look into it, we'd always had it.

00:55:18.820 I mean, going all the way back to Roger Stalbach, we had athletes who would say they wanted to thank their Lord and Savior after a round or after a game.

00:55:29.020 But it became something that grew exponentially.

00:55:32.460 And really over the course of the last six years or so, it exploded.

00:55:36.960 And you can't, again, watch an event now without seeing the first thing out of a player's mouth

00:55:43.080 being speaking about their religion and their faith.

00:55:47.480 We were just talking about the Southeastern Conference

00:55:50.120 and the fact that Sonny Hostin wants there to be a boycott.

00:55:53.860 I wrote a book inside of the University of Tennessee's football season,

00:55:59.620 and the amount of prayer before and after games really stood out to me.

00:56:05.020 I don't know that your average fan notices it that much.

00:56:09.060 But whether you can have a pregame prayer has turned into a big debate, unfortunately.

00:56:16.000 Fortunately, the results have actually been very positive.

00:56:18.660 What can you tell us about that?

00:56:20.360 I know as a high school coach out on the West Coast, if I remember, that they got fired over this.

00:56:27.780 Yeah, and I'll tell you, Clay, two things happened.

00:56:30.000 And you guys talked about it in the first hour.

00:56:31.780 the radicalization of these athletes around COVID cannot be understated because they realized that

00:56:38.920 everything that they had worked for their entire lives could be taken away from them. And as a

00:56:44.020 result of that, they felt like they really owed it to their fans and to themselves to go out and

00:56:50.680 talk about the things that are important. And for many of them, the things that they realize are

00:56:55.140 deeply important is their faith. And so they were going to use their platforms to talk about that.

00:57:00.000 That coincided with the Supreme Court decision that you're just talking about, Kennedy v. Bremerton Board of Education.

00:57:08.340 He was out in Washington.

00:57:09.540 High school coach, he goes to midfield to pray.

00:57:12.760 Some students see him.

00:57:13.960 They join him at midfield.

00:57:15.460 The school system fires him for doing this.

00:57:18.300 He takes that case all the way to the Supreme Court.

00:57:20.980 It takes 10 years.

00:57:22.380 And he wins.

00:57:23.360 And as a result of winning, the rules for all of that sort of thing

00:57:28.340 in terms of prayer in public settings, like a football game, have changed.

00:57:33.620 And I think those two things coalesced to bring about the confidence

00:57:39.520 that these athletes have now to go out and speak about this.

00:57:42.480 You interviewed a bunch of high-profile athletes,

00:57:45.620 among them Scotty Scheffler, Kirk Cousins, Jonathan Isaac,

00:57:49.420 coaches, Dabo Sweeney, somebody I know pretty well,

00:57:52.360 works with me at OutKick, Riley Gaines. What did those athletes tell you about the importance of

00:57:57.960 religion? It's the most important thing. What they have realized is especially when you have

00:58:03.620 worked as hard as they have to reach the pinnacle, you win the trophy, you win the championship,

00:58:10.760 you get the ring. The hollowness that comes immediately after that, where you're asking

00:58:15.920 yourself, really, is this it? I've worked my entire life and I got this euphoria and it was

00:58:21.900 momentary but what's next what's after this uh and a lot of them have realized that what's after this

00:58:28.940 is far more important than what has come before it and so that's why they feel like they are the

00:58:35.100 messengers now to go out and preach the gospel people some maybe even listening to us right now

00:58:41.580 will say mixing god in sports feels frivolous because why in the world does god tell care in

00:58:48.620 any way about a sporting event how would you respond god cares about his people and the

00:58:56.220 athletes today are driving the culture i mean look that take anybody under the age of 30 maybe under

00:59:03.020 the age of 40 and ask them to name five prominent religious figures you're gonna get zero i mean

00:59:09.100 there's a zero percent chance they can do that they may have they name one you ask them to name

00:59:13.340 five prominent athletes they can do it in a second they may not be able to name 50 so athletes are

00:59:18.460 driving the culture and as a result of that they're the people that that they recognize that

00:59:23.720 and they're using their platforms to spread a far more important message than who won the game last

00:59:29.080 night tim tebow uh we were talking about sec football i know he played in the nfl but everybody

00:59:35.440 who's a college football fan knows tim tebow i would submit that he may be the best of the modern

00:59:42.040 era almost in the entirety of the 21st century in terms of using the sports to help spread his

00:59:48.660 faith i think he's done a pretty phenomenal job of it does he jump out to you as one that may be

00:59:53.980 at the absolute apex of what you're talking about he was he was really one of the original drivers

00:59:59.920 of this prior to him there were a lot of christian athletes but they didn't feel comfortable going

01:00:05.040 public uh they were they were afraid they were going to be called bible beaters it was kind of

01:00:10.160 slur that was used against these athletes that tried to go out and making public professions

01:00:15.280 tebow was one of them and if you will recall there was a lot of controversy and derision

01:00:20.400 when he would go out and kneel what became known as tebowing uh now you can't watch an

01:00:26.000 event where that doesn't happen i mean just go down the list tradion henderson aaron judge cj

01:00:31.920 stroud fernando mendoza uh buck's favorite running back sequan barkley i mean these guys are all

01:00:37.680 these guys are all out there speaking about their faith openly so uh you can't watch an

01:00:45.400 event now where that doesn't happen and i think tebow was one of the original drivers he was the

01:00:49.980 og um when you think about this in the book i encourage people to check it out i want to make

01:00:55.360 sure i get it right god ball uh steve eubanks when you um you mentioned tebow all these other

01:01:02.460 the things i think one reason that athletes are outspoken is it's hard to be on the public stage

01:01:09.460 i like the example you gave where you win a super bowl uh you win the national championship whatever

01:01:15.320 the apex of your capability is there can be a hollowness that follows that pursuit if there

01:01:23.060 isn't a foundation under uh girding it and i i feel like particularly in the social media age

01:01:29.960 where we are suffused all of us oftentimes in negativity and if it's not negativity it's envy

01:01:37.620 uh that the ability to have a strong foundation that is your base matters now maybe more than it

01:01:45.400 ever has before you know you were talking to ryan in the last hour about a lot of the anxiety that

01:01:51.600 young people are feeling right now and they are that can go and because of that that is led by a

01:01:57.740 collapse in institutional trust now that can go one of two ways you can either be radicalized by

01:02:03.560 that on a bad side as we talked about with with the assassinations and at least talks of that

01:02:08.920 or you can go the other way towards faith and i think the athletes are attempting to move people

01:02:14.240 in that positive direction because it's the one institution over two millennia that continues to

01:02:20.000 be strong um last question for you young men seem to have more of a religious bent of late than

01:02:27.340 young women did you find that to be true some in the world of athletics and you've got six kids

01:02:33.800 and i believe it was 14 grandkids might have been 16 grandkids you got a bunch i'm curious if you're

01:02:39.740 seeing that in any of your own family and do you think women are coming to this later or do you

01:02:44.740 think women maybe are grappling with this new societal norm of what it means to be a woman

01:02:49.960 maybe even as much or more than men are i think it is men that are driving this at the moment

01:02:56.180 Now, again, I say that. You mentioned Riley Gaines, who has become a good friend and was tremendous in helping me with this book. I've talked to a number of LPGA players who are very strong in their faith and very outspoken. So they are out there. But the numbers are overwhelming on the men's side, and I think it's because they recognize their role as leaders.

01:03:18.900 and that goes back to Christian foundations as well.

01:03:22.980 Men are supposed to lead in the church and in the family

01:03:25.480 and as a result of that, these guys are stepping forward

01:03:28.300 and doing that, but doing so in the love

01:03:31.820 that was preached in the gospel.

01:03:34.320 Outstanding stuff.

01:03:35.280 I hope you have a good long Memorial Day weekend

01:03:37.680 with all those kids and grandkids

01:03:39.500 and I would encourage everybody out there

01:03:41.760 that father of six, grandfather of 14,

01:03:45.780 author of God Ball, Steve Eubanks.

01:03:47.940 I'm assuming people can find it everywhere.

01:03:50.080 Amazon's always an easy place to go.

01:03:52.720 What will people find if they read this book?

01:03:56.080 They're going to find out how this revival started, why athletes, and why now.

01:04:01.920 That is a good tease.

01:04:03.300 We appreciate the time.

01:04:04.280 Thank you, sir.

01:04:05.760 Thanks, Mike.

01:04:07.240 Look, I want to tell you, if you're worried out there about your information on the Internet,

01:04:12.960 somebody getting it, somebody taking advantage of it,

01:04:15.820 and you need to make sure that you've got our friends LifeLock helping to take care of you.

01:04:21.460 They do such a phenomenal job at LifeLock of monitoring your name, your information,

01:04:26.820 and making sure that you do not become a victim of identity theft.

01:04:31.260 They monitor millions of data points a second for risk to your identity.

01:04:35.320 LifeLock will detect and alert you to potential identity threats you might not spot on your own.

01:04:40.100 And when they see evidence your identity might be in the wrong hands, they're in touch with you immediately.

01:04:45.820 If you do become a victim of identity theft, a dedicated U.S.-based restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed, or your money back.

01:04:54.120 Easy to help protect yourself with LifeLock.

01:04:56.780 Join now and save 30% off your first year with promo code CLAY.

01:05:01.760 That's 1-800-LIFELOCK.

01:05:03.480 You can also go online, LifeLock.com, promo code CLAY for 30% off.

01:05:10.660 That's LifeLock.com, promo code CLAY for 30% off.

01:05:15.820 get rewarded just for shopping with simon plus don't miss memorial day sales at simon premium

01:05:30.280 outlets and mills you can get points at scores of stores access to exclusive offers and exciting

01:05:37.160 surprises you've got an extra day off so make it pay off with the best deals from brands you love

01:05:44.040 all in one place.

01:05:46.000 It's a summer kickoff thing.

01:05:47.980 Join today at simonplus.com.

01:05:50.920 Rewards program terms apply.

01:05:52.320 See simonplus.com for details.

01:05:54.220 Turn someday into right now with Body by Jake Radio.

01:05:58.020 Nonstop workout music and expert tips 24-7.

01:06:00.800 Hey, head over to iHeart.com.

01:06:02.760 Search Body by Jake Radio and stream it for free right now.

01:06:06.300 Awesome health and wellness tips 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

01:06:09.880 Remember, stick to the fight.

01:06:10.860 When your heart is hit, it's when things seem worse that you must not quit.

01:06:14.400 Don't quit.

01:06:15.140 Body by Jake Radio, where hope meets momentum.

01:06:18.400 Search Body by Jake Radio and stream it for free.

01:06:21.120 Have a great day.

01:06:21.700 I heart radio.

Verdict with Ted Cruz - May 21, 2026

BONUS： Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 21 2026

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript