Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 27 2025

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00:00:04.080 Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

00:00:09.200 Welcome in Tuesday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:13.940 I appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through

00:00:17.500 the post-Memorial Day weekend festivities.

00:00:22.220 We want to, again, as I said on Friday,

00:00:25.040 reiterate to everyone out there whose family, friends have made the ultimate sacrifice

00:00:31.720 that the reason we all have the freedoms we do every single day

00:00:35.380 is because of the sacrifices so many have made

00:00:38.680 throughout the course of nearly 250 years of American history.

00:00:43.920 We will talk some about that.

00:00:45.680 I had a spectacular weekend trip to the Indy 500.

00:00:50.600 I had never been before, thanks to the Good Ranchers crew

00:00:53.840 for taking me there, Ben and his wife Corley.

00:00:57.900 We had a phenomenal time running all around with them.

00:01:02.020 I think there are videos up at clayandbuck.com.

00:01:04.520 You can see the incredible time that we all had.

00:01:08.280 I met a lot of you in the Indianapolis area.

00:01:11.080 I mean, there's 350,000 people there,

00:01:13.000 so quite a bit of you had to be Clay and Buck listeners,

00:01:16.700 Outkick readers, Fox News viewers.

00:01:18.740 Not a surprise that there would be a lot of you

00:01:21.480 that we would run into during the course of that weekend.

00:01:24.960 It was awesome.

00:01:26.020 Hospitality was fabulous in Indianapolis,

00:01:28.660 and so I appreciate everybody who said hi

00:01:31.920 and the Good Ranchers crew.

00:01:34.920 Goodranchers.com, code Clay.

00:01:37.040 Those guys are doing amazing work.

00:01:39.120 You get $40 off if you go there,

00:01:41.300 but they have a fabulous business, and they're awesome people,

00:01:44.380 so I think you guys will be hearing more and more from them coming forward,

00:01:49.620 but we had just a spectacular time.

00:01:52.060 I want to tell you, Buck is out, by the way, has the flu,

00:01:56.260 and he's hoping to be back tomorrow, so he will be back tomorrow.

00:02:01.720 I will be out.

00:02:02.840 I'm going to go to this new Universal Studios Park with my kids.

00:02:07.340 We're going to be on the road for a few days.

00:02:09.520 The school is finally out, so I'm going to be on the road with my kids,

00:02:13.780 taking them to that amusement park,

00:02:15.640 which my wife's probably not happy that I just announced,

00:02:18.340 but that is where we will be for the next several days,

00:02:22.660 so they have opened a brand-new Universal Studios Park,

00:02:25.180 and my kids were excited for the roller coaster,

00:02:27.120 so that is where Dad and Mom are going to be here,

00:02:30.240 but Buck should be back tomorrow, says he should be back healthy,

00:02:33.280 but that is where he is today.

00:02:35.560 So I want to dive into it.

00:02:37.520 There's so many different stories that are out there.

00:02:39.760 Riley Gaines, by the way, is going to join us midway through today's program,

00:02:44.460 and she is going to do that because Trump has really taken a two-by-four

00:02:51.640 to the state of California over men being allowed to participate in women's sports,

00:02:57.080 and we will talk about that with her in the next hour

00:03:02.040 as that has turned into a major issue,

00:03:04.840 and Gavin Newsom, who still has an open invite to come on this program

00:03:08.140 but has somehow not found the time,

00:03:10.760 said it was very unfair, completely unfair, I think was his phrase,

00:03:15.180 to allow men to compete in women's sports.

00:03:17.260 Well, it's happening, and at the state championship level of California,

00:03:22.180 and the president has called it out.

00:03:24.140 We've got a lot to talk about during the course of the program,

00:03:27.620 but I want to dive into a couple of stories that I thought happening over the weekend

00:03:33.700 and earlier today were representative of the lies that so many of us

00:03:40.560 have had to deal with over the last four or five years,

00:03:43.600 and I want to start with good news.

00:03:47.000 It's good news if you didn't get the shot.

00:03:51.040 Those of you who had to get the COVID shot are still furious.

00:03:54.420 Those of you whose kids had to get the COVID shot to go to college or wherever it was,

00:03:59.100 the Health and Human Services Secretary, Robert Kennedy,

00:04:04.120 I believe CDC Director Marty McCary, who we need to get on the program.

00:04:07.960 We had him on a lot during the COVID era on this program.

00:04:10.920 They announced this morning that they are removing the COVID shot

00:04:15.120 from the recommended vaccine, quotation marks, for those of you watching on video,

00:04:20.760 the recommended vaccine shot lineup,

00:04:23.520 and we have that audio.

00:04:24.860 This just happened in the last hour or so.

00:04:27.520 Listen to that.

00:04:28.000 I couldn't be more pleased to announce that as of today,

00:04:31.840 the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women

00:04:35.120 has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule.

00:04:41.420 Last year, the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another COVID shot,

00:04:47.040 despite the lack of any clinical data,

00:04:49.880 to support the repeat booster strategy in children.

00:04:52.760 That ends today.

00:04:54.600 It's common sense, and it's good science.

00:04:56.700 There's no evidence healthy kids need it today,

00:04:59.560 and most countries have stopped recommending it for children.

00:05:02.880 We're now one step closer to realizing President Trump's promise

00:05:06.520 to make America healthy again.

00:05:08.940 Okay.

00:05:10.180 That's an extraordinary part of our national story now,

00:05:15.720 that this shot, which they told you would prevent COVID from spreading,

00:05:22.320 which they told you that you had to get or you were going to be fired from your job.

00:05:27.460 Thank the Lord.

00:05:28.460 The Supreme Court stood up against it.

00:05:30.900 Joe Biden, remember, maybe we can grab this audio because I know a lot of it gets memory hold,

00:05:35.460 said that his patience was running short.

00:05:39.180 For those of you out there that had not gotten the COVID shot, like me,

00:05:43.120 that we were going to experience a winter of death.

00:05:47.340 I remember seeing that comment while I was chilling on a beach in Florida and thinking,

00:05:52.760 yeah, the winter of death is not that bad down here in Florida right now.

00:05:55.680 I think I sent out a tweet about it, and you had to joke about it because it was so infuriating

00:06:02.400 that anybody was being forced to get this COVID shot.

00:06:06.720 Buck was forced to get the COVID shot to go to his brother's wedding in New York.

00:06:12.260 You couldn't go to McDonald's, some parts of places like New York and L.A.

00:06:17.560 I never got the shot.

00:06:19.160 I feel fortunate that I did not.

00:06:20.640 I feel fortunate that my young kids did not because it was never mandated for them.

00:06:26.920 But I know a lot of you felt that you were obligated to get it.

00:06:32.820 And it is just completely indefensible that this entire era has been allowed to happen

00:06:39.740 and that many of the people that wagged their finger and lectured you about the COVID shot

00:06:45.460 are now just pretending they never said any of the things that they did.

00:06:49.540 And I want to hit you because I do think it's important with the data here.

00:06:55.180 And I would say that many of you are listening to me today

00:06:58.800 and listen to us on this program on a regular basis

00:07:01.520 because you are still angry about what they said to you during COVID

00:07:05.980 and what they tried to do to you.

00:07:08.580 Remember this poll.

00:07:10.080 This was from the Rasmussen.

00:07:13.240 And it broke down percentages of people, 20%, sorry, nearly 60% of Democrats in January of 2022.

00:07:24.380 This is January of 2022 believed that the unvaccinated people like me

00:07:30.340 and many of you listening right now and an un-COVID shotted because it's not really a vaccine.

00:07:34.760 60% of Democrats believe that you should have been fined if you refused to get the COVID shot.

00:07:43.380 This is crazy.

00:07:44.960 Nearly 60% of Democrats believed that those of us who didn't get the COVID shot should be locked at home.

00:07:54.720 This is nearly over 40% of Democrats believed that those who didn't get the COVID shot should be sent to quarantine camps.

00:08:06.500 Should your children be taken from you if you are not getting them the COVID shot?

00:08:12.620 30% of Democrats said yes.

00:08:14.440 And for people like me and Buck, over about 50% of Democrats said that people who criticize the COVID shot should be fined and imprisoned.

00:08:28.560 I shared that clip from that poll yesterday because it's as if people want to pretend all of this never happened.

00:08:39.960 And I see it in conjunction with Jake Tapper went on with Piers Morgan and Piers Morgan asked him about the Biden cognitive and physical decline cover-up.

00:08:51.960 And Tapper now, who had a show on CNN for the entire Biden administration, he now says, you know, in many ways, the cover-up of Biden's health, physical and mental, was worse than Watergate.

00:09:07.480 Listen to this.

00:09:08.040 It is a scandal.

00:09:09.580 Yes.

00:09:09.900 It is.

00:09:10.660 It is.

00:09:11.440 It is.

00:09:12.100 It is.

00:09:12.440 It is without question and maybe even worse than Watergate in some ways.

00:09:15.960 Right.

00:09:16.520 Right.

00:09:17.080 Because Richard Nixon was in control of his faculties when he wasn't drinking.

00:09:22.020 We quote Archibald Cox, who was a Watergate investigator, talking about how powerful the presidency is and how presidents get surrounded by people who have a vested interest in keeping that president propped up.

00:09:35.120 Okay, worse than Watergate, and by the way, I think it was worse than Watergate, the decision for the media to not cover Biden's mental and physical decline and now the COVID shot being pulled for kids.

00:09:52.540 Let me ask you a question.

00:09:54.600 How can anyone trust anyone in legacy media at this point?

00:09:58.500 If they told you, as CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox did not, by and large, but the Washington Post and the New York Times, all of those major legacy media outlets that I just ran through.

00:10:16.180 If they all told you, if they all told you that your kids needed to get the COVID shot or they were in danger of death, and if they all told you that Biden was the best mental and physical version of himself and that anybody criticizing him was spreading disinformation and misinformation, how can anyone trust these people again?

00:10:37.080 How can you, if you worked at all those places, and you got the two biggest stories, maybe of your career, COVID, and I'm not just talking, by the way, about the shot, but now that the shot's being pulled for kids, I do think it's important to point out that they tried to force kids to get the shot in order to be able to go to school in many parts of the country.

00:11:01.960 Now that they're pulling this shot, and now that everybody suddenly says, hey, you know what, yeah, Biden mentally and physically, he wasn't up for the job.

00:11:09.960 How can anyone, those are the two, I would argue, those are the two biggest stories in the last certainly 20 years.

00:11:17.300 If you go back to 9-11, what has mattered more than those two things, COVID and Biden's mental and physical decline, they got all of that wrong.

00:11:26.740 How do they still have jobs?

00:11:28.980 How do they still have any audience at all?

00:11:31.960 How in the world do these people still have the ability to make a living?

00:11:40.080 We get things wrong as part of being human.

00:11:43.320 All of us are imperfect.

00:11:45.100 But if you listen to this program, many of you did what I did and didn't get your kids the COVID shot.

00:11:52.040 I didn't get it myself.

00:11:53.720 Many of you knew early on that Biden didn't have the mental and physical capacity to be president.

00:12:01.960 Both of those things we've now been proven right on on this program.

00:12:06.260 In a honest, transparent, fully cognizant media universe, this show would do as it has, continue to grow.

00:12:18.440 And the legacy media, by and large, would collapse.

00:12:23.400 And you know what's happened?

00:12:24.980 That.

00:12:25.480 Over time, all that matters in media is trust.

00:12:31.000 Do you trust people to be honest with you and analyze complex situations and give you, to the best of their ability, good advice?

00:12:40.340 To discuss complex issues in an intelligent fashion.

00:12:44.940 That is the goal to me of anyone that sits behind this mic, of anyone that talks to a large audience every single day.

00:12:53.520 We passed that test here.

00:12:55.000 Now, make no mistake, what they are attempting to do is memory hole the entire COVID era and pretend that they never could have known better because the experts got it wrong, not them.

00:13:05.160 And then the thing that they're actually experts in, which is theoretically politics and analyzing presidents, they're claiming that they just couldn't see past the incredible cover up that the Biden administration has put in place.

00:13:17.700 Because I would submit to you that you should not let them off the hook.

00:13:22.060 You should remember this failure for the rest of their career.

00:13:26.120 And I would also submit to you, you know who the biggest advertisers are on CNN and MSNBC?

00:13:33.560 By and large, drug companies.

00:13:35.760 Do you think it was coincidental that they whiffed on the value of the COVID shot when all of these drug companies were spending hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars to advertise on their programs?

00:13:47.860 I don't think so.

00:13:49.120 And this is one where I think RFK Jr., who's a lifelong Democrat, is actually right.

00:13:53.580 Why in the world are they accepting all of this money for prescription drug advertisements on programs where they regularly have to cover prescription drugs and whether or not they're necessary?

00:14:04.440 I would submit to you it's not a coincidence that the prescription drug companies got beneficial coverage while spending hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.

00:14:18.400 And then we all know that it wasn't that they got fooled.

00:14:23.160 It was that they aren't actual journalists.

00:14:26.300 They are propaganda stooges for Democrats.

00:14:29.560 And they weren't willing to tell their audience the truth about Joe Biden until it became clear Biden was never going to be in power again.

00:14:36.620 We'll talk about all this, but I think the conjunction of these two stories coming together is actually a moment of reckoning for the legacy media, which is leading to many of them being destroyed.

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00:16:29.760 Buck not feeling well.

00:16:31.520 He'll be back tomorrow.

00:16:33.280 I am rolling solo with you here on the Tuesday after Memorial Day weekend.

00:16:39.320 And we have been breaking down a lot.

00:16:41.800 If you missed it earlier today, the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot list for kids and pregnant women.

00:16:50.540 A lot of you out there are saying, finally, and you're very thankful that you never got any of the COVID shots for your kid or yourself.

00:16:58.660 Or you are resentful that because of where you were going to school or where you worked, that in order to maintain your employment or maintain your school eligibility, you had to get the shot.

00:17:10.260 And we bring in now Riley Gaines.

00:17:12.360 We got a lot to dive into with her.

00:17:14.500 But Riley, let me take you back in time with COVID for a minute before we get into the craziness of the sports universe in terms of men competing as women. 0.92

00:17:26.360 You guys, you were a University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer.

00:17:31.240 What do you remember about what you guys had to do during COVID?

00:17:35.160 Because I think a lot of this is just getting totally memory hold.

00:17:38.280 If I remember correctly, you guys had to wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming.

00:17:44.280 What was it like even at UK?

00:17:46.660 You know, saying it out loud now, you almost forget you lived it.

00:17:51.020 You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness of it.

00:17:55.880 COVID hit, of course, in March of 2020, which was the end of my sophomore year.

00:18:00.320 Bar the fact we were robbed of an NCAA championships that year, which, of course, is the meat you work all year.

00:18:07.400 It's the meat you work all your life for, about three days before we were supposed to leave.

00:18:11.100 That meat was very suddenly and swiftly canceled.

00:18:14.600 We were sent home for a few months.

00:18:16.200 We eventually got to come back to school.

00:18:17.620 And upon returning, of course, it was the immediate mandatory vaccines.

00:18:22.520 It was the contact tracing.

00:18:23.960 I mean, they made it miserable.

00:18:25.920 We couldn't go to class.

00:18:28.220 They told us, me specifically, being that I was the team captain.

00:18:32.400 They told me I had to get the vaccine or else I'd be hurting my team.

00:18:35.500 But, of course, this didn't sit right with me, right, being young, being healthy.

00:18:39.760 I'd already had COVID at that point, which, being a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the most natural and best form of immunity.

00:18:47.820 So I pushed back on this.

00:18:49.200 And I said, no, I don't, to which I said, well, can you define mandatory for me?

00:18:54.200 And that is when they lost the plot.

00:18:56.060 It was almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say.

00:18:58.600 They weren't given a script of what to say when asked this question.

00:19:00.980 And so that's when they responded back, well, we really mean highly suggested.

00:19:05.160 And I said, well, you can take that and shove it because I'm not getting the vaccine.

00:19:09.340 But let me tell you, Clay, the rest of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year, all of my senior year, they made it miserable for me.

00:19:17.220 I had to go to testing every single week.

00:19:19.360 They made it at 5 a.m. to make it what they described as inconvenient for us.

00:19:24.220 I had to wear a mask in the weight room.

00:19:25.920 And we did have to wear a mask in between laps when we got out of the water on the pool deck.

00:19:30.040 I mean, we essentially waterboarded ourselves every single day for the next two years.

00:19:34.880 You had to wear masks between laps in the pool?

00:19:37.960 Yeah, they tried everything.

00:19:39.340 I mean, they thought of things like, well, we'll have some people start on one end of the pool.

00:19:43.920 We'll have other people start on the other end of the pool. 0.90

00:19:45.920 We'll alternate lanes.

00:19:47.080 I mean, like I said, none of it made sense.

00:19:49.120 Again, and we're playing a sport, we're in chlorine, right, which is going to kill any sort of, you know, germ or whatever it is. 0.89

00:19:58.600 So all of it from top to bottom was utterly ridiculous. 0.65

00:20:04.940 And we all recognize it to be true. 0.65

00:20:06.540 But I will say people got the vaccine out of convenience to make it easier for them to be able to compete.

00:20:13.840 I remember they sat me down and they said, Riley, you know, again, you're the team captain.

00:20:18.800 We have a big meet against University of Alabama, a big SEC rivalry.

00:20:22.580 You're not going to get to go if you don't get the vaccine.

00:20:25.840 To which, again, I just, I knew that was BS.

00:20:29.320 And so I said, that's fine.

00:20:30.360 I won't go then.

00:20:31.260 And, of course, I got to go to University of Alabama.

00:20:33.420 And, no, I never got the vaccine.

00:20:35.760 And I bet you're glad that you did.

00:20:37.360 And let me kind of build on this, too.

00:20:39.920 So many young people, I think, I started off the program talking about the lies that were told about COVID.

00:20:47.700 And I think certainly the lies that were told about Biden.

00:20:50.480 But you mentioned something that I think is important.

00:20:52.460 And I know there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids, grandkids, may have happened to you out there listening as well.

00:20:59.160 I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally.

00:21:02.100 You were around 20, right, in March of 2020 when all this chaos started, roughly?

00:21:07.060 That's right.

00:21:07.760 That's right.

00:21:08.240 Can you imagine if you had been 16 instead? 0.98

00:21:13.040 Because it sucked for you at 20.

00:21:15.260 But imagine that it is March of 2020.

00:21:18.520 You are gearing up for whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country right now.

00:21:24.320 You're gearing up for your junior year of prom.

00:21:28.460 Prom season, all that.

00:21:30.300 16, 17, 18.

00:21:31.820 I talk now to kids on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you do, too.

00:21:35.680 In many parts of the country, these kids went home in March of 2020 as 16-year-olds, and they basically didn't see the kids they went to high school with in a big group again in many parts of the country until they graduated in the next year in June of whatever it would have been, 2021, 2022, some of these places.

00:21:56.720 So you miss your junior year, end of year.

00:22:00.180 You miss everything that happens during your senior year.

00:22:03.400 For everybody out there listening, think about how transformative usually your 16-, 17-, 18-year-old era is.

00:22:11.060 It is not surprising to me that there are so many kids out there that are angry about what was taken from them.

00:22:17.520 You're close to that same age.

00:22:19.280 You're on college campuses all the time.

00:22:21.140 Do you hear that from kids today?

00:22:22.620 I hear that all the time, not only from my peers, from my friends, from people I had classes with, but I'm glad I've got a younger sister and a younger brother.

00:22:32.540 My brother was about that 16-year-old age group during the time of COVID in 2020, and he was in the middle of his football season.

00:22:41.480 They were on pace to be state champions.

00:22:44.000 He went to Donaldson Christian Academy.

00:22:45.640 All of that was taken from them.

00:22:48.600 My little sister, she was in middle school transitioning to high school.

00:22:51.820 I mean, it was horrible.

00:22:53.120 My oldest sister, she graduated college from Ole Miss in 2020. 0.98

00:22:57.820 So they had this virtual graduation where she got to walk the stage, so they called it virtually, where everyone sat on Zoom.

00:23:06.680 It was the craziest thing.

00:23:08.080 And even now, again, let's say four years post-COVID era, the way the educational realm has changed is, I mean, transformative.

00:23:18.980 It is totally different.

00:23:19.880 My sister's high school experience, again, she will be a junior next year in high school.

00:23:24.720 Her experience now is totally different than when I was in high school.

00:23:28.980 Granted, now it's getting kind of up there, what, eight or so years ago.

00:23:31.880 But even still, totally, totally different experience that my younger sister has had compared to the experience that I had in high school.

00:23:40.080 So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly broke in the direction of Trump in 2024.

00:23:48.620 Young men in particular, you mentioned you have a brother.

00:23:51.820 I've got three teenage boys, two teenage boys, one 10-year-old.

00:23:55.160 But I see it from all of them that they're just fed up.

00:23:58.780 They're angry.

00:23:59.360 And I think it's not only COVID, it's the lies that they were told.

00:24:03.380 And I want to share this.

00:24:04.920 Earlier today, Trump sent out a truth post and said,

00:24:09.280 California, under the leadership of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow men to play in women's sports.

00:24:16.660 This week, a transition male athlete at a major event won everything, now qualified to compete in the state finals next weekend.

00:24:25.200 As a male, he was less than an average competitor.

00:24:27.840 As a female, this transition person is practically unbeatable. 1.00

00:24:32.180 This is not fair, totally demeaning to women and girls.

00:24:34.860 He then calls out the governor, Newsom, who has said it is unfair.

00:24:38.960 He says, I will speak with him today to find out which way he wants to go.

00:24:42.360 In the meantime, I'm ordering local authorities, if necessary, to not allow a transition person to compete at the state finals.

00:24:49.540 This is a totally ridiculous situation.

00:24:51.440 Can you believe, years after you swam against Leah Thomas now, what, three years ago, if I remember correctly, 0.90

00:24:57.860 that we are still in a position where, if anything, Democrats have hardened their stance on this being okay?

00:25:03.380 You know what, Clay, I truthfully imagined, I knew this, of course, would be an election issue.

00:25:09.480 It would get us through November of 2024.

00:25:12.500 But I really believed that, of course, we would see this red wave, which we saw.

00:25:16.560 And I believed after that the Democrats would slowly begin to recant, to distance themselves from their voting records, from their positions.

00:25:24.300 They've taken on totally outlandish, crazy stuff, such as men and women's sports.

00:25:29.480 But that is not at all what they have done.

00:25:32.620 They have double, tripled, quadrupled down on this insanity.

00:25:36.900 I love how Trump words it.

00:25:38.540 He is so plain in his language, of course, which is another reason why I think specifically young people love him, are drawn to him.

00:25:45.700 He's so authentic.

00:25:46.420 He says, as a male, he was less than an average competitor.

00:25:50.140 And that's so true.

00:25:51.040 That is virtually the case in every scenario, every situation, every circumstance where we see this happening.

00:25:57.160 We don't see it going the other way.

00:25:59.140 It is virtually always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't hack it in their own division or maybe ranking in the bottom of the barrel, right?

00:26:08.240 They switch over to the Women's League, and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings, whatever that system may be at the state level in what he's describing here in California.

00:26:19.420 This boy by the name of A.B. Hernandez.

00:26:22.320 Maybe, I'm sure you remember, Clay, about a week or so ago, a video went viral of this young girl who placed second in California.

00:26:31.800 Her name is Reese Hogan in the triple jump. 0.54

00:26:34.140 But it was only after everyone exited the podium, with the man, of course, standing atop the podium, where she jumps on the first place podium. 0.94

00:26:43.200 And I thought that was the most remarkably brave display that really we've seen thus far.

00:26:50.140 I mean, we've seen some pretty awesome things, right?

00:26:51.800 Like I think of the girls in West Virginia, the middle schoolers who boycotted and shot put, which Outkick was the first to report on, by the way.

00:26:58.900 I think of several instances of girls boycotting. 0.98

00:27:01.840 But this, I thought, was really the perfect way to embody and highlight that that man atop the podium was a total fraud, and everyone recognizes it.

00:27:12.020 You got into it with Jemele Hill a little bit over the weekend.

00:27:15.980 Jemele Hill is a crazy person who used to work at ESPN, just kind of the female version maybe of Keith Olbermann, who you've also gotten into it over with. 0.93

00:27:23.420 I just, three years ago, if only women had swam in your NCAA championship, where do you think you'd be?

00:27:32.440 Well, my plan, what I was post-graduating from University of Kentucky, I was in dental school, actually set to specialize in endodontics, so root canals, basically.

00:27:43.780 That's what I had planned.

00:27:45.020 That's what I was set to do.

00:27:46.040 That's what I prepared to do.

00:27:47.120 I scored in the top percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental admissions test, the test to get into dental school.

00:27:53.800 I had been awarded tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship funds to continue my education in dentistry.

00:28:01.860 So that was certainly the plan.

00:28:03.740 I had married my husband.

00:28:06.020 Our life would look a whole lot different had that man, that 6'4", again, as President Trump words it,

00:28:14.260 mediocre man, not been in the pool with us, in the locker room with us that day.

00:28:18.980 So, I think this is so important, because you get attacked, I think, unfairly, and I'm sure on a level that you never would have ever anticipated,

00:28:30.000 for just being a woman who believes women's sports should be made up of women.

00:28:34.080 And I love when I see your tweets, J.K. Rowling, just fearlessness, because this is not a complicated issue,

00:28:39.800 but the only reason you have ended up doing what you are doing is because, one, you're fearless,

00:28:47.060 but, two, you dealt with this directly, and you never want any other girls or women to ever have to deal with this either,

00:28:55.580 and yet you get attacked for that.

00:28:57.440 I just think it's really important to hammer home.

00:28:59.600 That's it.

00:29:01.280 That's it. 0.98

00:29:01.780 The stance that I've taken, of course, I've been painted to be this super radical, crazy, right-wing grifter, 0.84

00:29:08.820 as Jamel Hill would call it, but, I mean, I still live my daily life, like, with my husband, with my family, 0.59

00:29:15.120 with my animals and my dogs.

00:29:16.680 We live on a flower farm.

00:29:17.840 Like, I'm still me.

00:29:19.160 The only, I guess, radical position that I've taken is that men cannot become women and that there are two sexes

00:29:26.960 and that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, of privacy, and of safety.

00:29:31.940 But several times now, of course, you have Keith Olbermann.

00:29:34.780 I genuinely think this man is, like, needs to be in an asylum somewhere.

00:29:38.800 I don't think he's stable.

00:29:40.140 Like, we should be doing, like, welfare checks on him every day following November 5th.

00:29:44.160 But you've got Jamel Hill, who has told me on multiple occasions now over the past few years

00:29:49.620 that I need to thank Leah Thomas every single day of the rest of my life for getting me famous.

00:29:54.920 Again, reminder, I did not ask for this.

00:29:57.920 I did not want this.

00:29:59.000 I simply took a position that 99, 100 percent, really, of common sense people have taken.

00:30:05.580 And I would say 90 to 95 percent of everyday common sense Americans who, I mean, it's a position they take, too,

00:30:13.460 but they just weren't willing to say it three years ago.

00:30:15.960 Now you compare that to 2025, and the landscape has shifted, right?

00:30:19.980 People, of course, are becoming more bold, more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true.

00:30:26.320 And with that, the response that we see from the left, from the other side, people who don't have common sense,

00:30:32.540 people who vehemently hate women, people like Jamel Hill, former ESPN host, of course, that is to increase as well.

00:30:40.340 So I say bring it on, you know, lots of things that bother me, that scare me.

00:30:46.440 But Jamel Hill and her professional race bidding certainly isn't one of them. 1.00

00:30:52.060 I love the easy question of, and I've used this, and I think it just really, I would encourage you guys to deploy it in your own life.

00:30:58.380 If people attack you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think men should be able to compete in women's sports.

00:31:03.460 That's my opinion.

00:31:04.300 That's your opinion.

00:31:05.020 That's the opinion of a lot of people listening out to us right now.

00:31:07.940 Isn't it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the issue is?

00:31:16.960 Of course.

00:31:18.140 And it's because I believe deep down they don't think it either, right?

00:31:21.520 These Democrats, whether it's these elected officials, people in Congress, whether it is people like Jamel Hill,

00:31:28.460 especially actually people like Jamel Hill, sports reporters who understand,

00:31:33.080 women who have been reporting on both men's and women's sports for decades, for years,

00:31:38.060 of course they don't believe that men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities.

00:31:45.280 Of course they don't believe that.

00:31:47.300 But for some reason, it has just been this hill that they are willing to die on.

00:31:52.980 I don't know if it's the virtue signaling.

00:31:54.460 I don't know if it's the fear of the wrath from the other side.

00:31:58.900 I don't know if they're so bought into, like, this oppression Olympics that they're willing to proclaim it subtly, right?

00:32:07.740 But you're right.

00:32:08.820 People like Jamel Hill, I asked her the other day, you know, great to hear from you.

00:32:12.980 This is the stance that I've taken.

00:32:14.940 Would love an answer from you.

00:32:16.340 You know, you're a self-proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. 1.00

00:32:18.940 How do you feel about men competing in women's sports?

00:32:21.300 And I followed it up by saying silence is an answer, to which, of course, she did not answer the question.

00:32:28.080 So that makes it very clear to me where she stands on this.

00:32:32.300 Riley, happy belated Memorial Day weekend.

00:32:35.320 Keep up the fight, and we appreciate the time today and encourage everybody out there to follow Riley.

00:32:39.780 You can see her shows many different places, including OutKick.

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00:32:44.560 Riley, good stuff.

00:32:46.380 And by the way, congratulations on your book.

00:32:48.760 Super awesome endorsement.

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00:32:51.580 Thank you.

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00:34:03.000 We are joined now by a man who had a major announcement, part of a trio that had a major announcement,

00:34:16.540 breaking down the absolute latest on the COVID shot.

00:34:22.220 Dr. Marty McCary, FDA commissioner.

00:34:24.500 He's author of Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong and What It Means for Our Health.

00:34:29.100 We had him on this program quite a lot during the COVID era.

00:34:33.040 He is fantastic.

00:34:34.300 Congrats.

00:34:34.960 I don't remember if we've had you on since you were officially confirmed,

00:34:37.920 but congrats on becoming FDA commissioner, Dr. McCary.

00:34:42.100 And what can you tell us about what you guys just announced this morning?

00:34:48.000 We played the audio, but what exactly should people out there know about kids and pregnant women when it comes to the COVID shot?

00:34:56.600 Well, great to be with you, Clay.

00:34:58.060 And it's good to be back on your show.

00:35:01.820 You know, we are bringing back gold standard science and common sense.

00:35:06.240 And we've got a dilemma in this country, and that is the government keeps pushing every year

00:35:11.620 that every healthy young girl needs a shot every year for the rest of their life. 0.98

00:35:18.440 And the regulatory process has been set up such that no clinical trial or clinical data needs to be submitted each year

00:35:28.420 for the FDA to rubber stamp these COVID shots for young, healthy people.

00:35:32.720 And so we're bringing back science to the process.

00:35:37.400 We are saying that in order for this shot to be approved by the FDA in healthy people,

00:35:45.060 we need to see some clinical trial data to support that it works and that it's safe and effective.

00:35:50.260 We can't just blindly rubber stamp these applications each year in perpetuity forever.

00:35:56.400 There was a theory that people could benefit from these shots each year.

00:36:00.720 The theory is unproven.

00:36:02.420 We'd like to see some scientific support.

00:36:04.440 When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things like our patience is wearing thin

00:36:12.140 and that we were going to have a winter of death, will there ever really be any consequences?

00:36:19.240 I know Joe Biden's no longer president, but for people out there who felt pressured

00:36:23.620 because of the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it.

00:36:28.180 I know probably you still are.

00:36:29.960 I know a lot of our audience is.

00:36:31.600 Is this to you, the things that are happening now, a form of sort of resolution and restitution

00:36:40.640 for people out there who feel like they were led astray?

00:36:44.900 Well, people want closure because they feel that they've been lied to about some of the issues

00:36:51.860 around COVID and the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids who are completely healthy.

00:37:00.020 And so when you look at what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living on an island

00:37:08.100 disconnected from most of the American public.

00:37:11.560 You have statistics that are mind-boggling that speak to that disconnect,

00:37:17.080 like 85% of health care workers did not get the COVID booster last season.

00:37:23.200 So on one hand, we've had this government medical establishment machine pounding and insisting that

00:37:31.180 everybody gets a booster every year for the rest of their life, even if they're totally healthy.

00:37:35.140 And a public that has basically moved on and said, no, thank you.

00:37:38.940 We don't really trust you as much anymore.

00:37:41.440 If you look at the numbers on public trust, they've really gone down the toilet.

00:37:45.880 The percent of Americans that trust doctors and hospitals went from 71% just before COVID to 40% last year.

00:37:56.560 That's a gigantic 31-point drop.

00:37:59.600 And it's because the worst thing you can do in the field of medicine

00:38:03.180 is to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism when the data just is not there to support it.

00:38:10.420 It's an idea.

00:38:11.220 It's a theory.

00:38:11.780 I'm so glad that you have the role that you do now because you were right on so much

00:38:18.080 and you were willing to take the slings and arrows that came with it.

00:38:21.640 So was Dr. Bhattacharya.

00:38:23.120 So was RFK Jr.

00:38:25.660 I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial board, to Buck Show, to this show,

00:38:30.000 for places out there that were willing to have these conversations.

00:38:33.660 How much personal validation now do you take for something that I'm sure when you were at Johns Hopkins

00:38:39.200 was getting you unrelenting criticism to be in the position that you are in now

00:38:45.080 alongside of Dr. Bhattacharya, who was very outspoken at Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot of personal consequences

00:38:51.160 and certainly RFK Jr. now.

00:38:53.700 The three of you who made this announcement today, how much personal vindication do you feel

00:38:58.500 and how much do you think you're vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas?

00:39:02.840 The whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority.

00:39:07.280 That's the very basis of science itself.

00:39:09.820 This world that we ended up in where I'm the expert, you aren't allowed to challenge.

00:39:14.480 Dr. Fauci saying, I am the science.

00:39:16.840 It's actually the antithesis of everything that science in many ways should represent.

00:39:20.880 Well, it's the censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians from respected academic institutions

00:39:31.640 that simply disagreed with Dr. Fauci or asked questions about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations.

00:39:39.660 That was an ugly chapter in our nation's history, and I hope we never go back there.

00:39:43.980 We're doing a lot to promote transparency and civil discourse now.

00:39:48.000 I hope we can rebuild trust and the scientific process of wrestling and debating on ideas.

00:39:56.620 At the FDA, we're doing a lot now with forums and bringing in people with different ideas to debate how we can do things differently,

00:40:05.760 how we can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink our food supply.

00:40:09.540 But to some degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like we lost in some of the battles that we fought during COVID in the Biden administration.

00:40:20.880 We fought like crazy to get the schools back open, and it was very divided.

00:40:26.080 It was very polarizing, and for some crazy reason, it fell along partisan lines it shouldn't have.

00:40:32.340 And we fought like crazy for the kids, and for the most part, we were not able to get the schools back open during most of that, you know,

00:40:42.280 after the fall of 2020 for the next, for almost a year after that.

00:40:46.280 So it's a sad chapter.

00:40:48.200 You know, kids are still reeling back, and they're trying to recover.

00:40:52.640 We have to, you know, almost rescue these kids now and give them special attention because of the learning loss.

00:40:59.360 And I think the greatest untold story of the COVID battles was that the populations hurt the worst were the poor and minority communities in the United States.

00:41:11.340 I practiced at the time at Johns Hopkins, and in East Baltimore, I mean, you close those schools and send the kids home with an iPad.

00:41:18.900 It's not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy.

00:41:21.580 And those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided COVID policies.

00:41:26.300 So we're trying to rebuild public trust.

00:41:28.680 Secretary Kennedy has got a great vision.

00:41:30.720 Jay Bhattacharya is doing it.

00:41:32.440 Mehmet Oz is a transformational leader at CMS, and we're doing everything we can at the FDA to focus on our mission of delivering more cures for the American public and healthier food for children.

00:41:44.200 What do you think, having been through these battles, you just hammered, and I think it's the worst part of COVID, frankly,

00:41:49.940 is the fact that the poorest among us, the public school kids, I was a public school kid K-12, a lot of them left and didn't come back to school for over a year in physical person.

00:42:01.160 These are the kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors, don't have the ability to go to private school like Gavin Newsom's kids do.

00:42:08.500 When you hear Randy Weingarten now say that she was working super hard to try to reopen schools, what's your reaction?

00:42:14.900 Well, her group edited the school opening policy of the CDC to make it stricter, and those edits were incorporated in the final version that was published by the Biden administration and the CDC.

00:42:31.540 And that was tragic because you did not have a scientific document.

00:42:35.280 You had a document that was interfered with by a special interest group at the expense of children.

00:42:42.900 So there's a lot of lessons we should learn from COVID, but I think the biggest lesson is that we should let scientists be scientists and do their job.

00:42:52.800 The announcement again today, you came on this show for years, and I want to give you credit.

00:42:58.580 I mean, my two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get the COVID shot based on the data.

00:43:05.980 And we talked a lot about natural immunity and the impact that it was going to have.

00:43:11.400 It's been five years, and I know for many people out there, it feels still like the snap of fingers.

00:43:18.720 What has to happen for public trust in health to return to where it was pre-COVID?

00:43:26.840 I think we have to be successful as a new team coming in.

00:43:30.580 I think we have to be incredibly transparent.

00:43:33.080 I think we have to address the big issues of our day that we are not talking about.

00:43:38.760 You know, COVID was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling class in America create rules for themselves that benefited themselves.

00:43:47.960 They could send their kids to private schools.

00:43:50.180 The country clubs were booming throughout COVID.

00:43:54.160 For a lot of the Zoomocracy in America, they were going to work now in their pajamas on, you know, video conferencing.

00:44:01.760 Come to inner-city Baltimore, it was an entirely different story, and you saw sort of the tyranny of the ruling class write rules for themselves.

00:44:11.160 And it's not just with COVID.

00:44:13.140 It is also with the great public health issues of our day.

00:44:19.760 Why do 40 percent of American kids have a chronic disease?

00:44:23.960 If you think about what we've been taught in medical school, it's this weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids for being sick.

00:44:32.080 We don't talk about the food supply, the availability of healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all the stuff that are coming up in the Make America Healthy Again report that came out a week ago.

00:44:46.080 So that is a fresh new perspective because we can't just keep talking about financing our broken health care system.

00:44:53.680 We have to talk about fixing it, and to fix it, we have to get at these root causes.

00:44:57.500 So we're changing the conversation from just talking about chemotherapy and insulin to actually talking about environmental exposures in the food we eat and school lunch programs.

00:45:09.600 You're seeing action on the SNAP waivers by the USDA so that government dollars aren't going to all the sugary junk food in the SNAP program.

00:45:20.520 You're seeing some real movement we've never seen before.

00:45:23.340 So to rebuild public trust, in my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best by succeeding at actually making progress on improving the health of the population by addressing these root causes.

00:45:35.420 Last question for you.

00:45:37.000 When you are out traveling, and we're talking to Dr. Marty McCary, the FDA commissioner, his book is, I want to make sure that I get this right, the most recent book is, Ali, text me that again, I'll get it before we leave, Blind Spots.

00:45:53.300 When you still see people wearing masks, going on airplanes, when you still see kids sometimes, I can't believe this is happening, still wearing masks, what do you think?

00:46:03.120 Well, part of me thinks I don't know what their personal clinical situation is, but the other part of me thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy who has been misled and given a false sense of security that if they do this one mitigation step, that somehow they're going to help achieve a COVID zero world.

00:46:26.900 Which, remember, for a lot of COVID, there was actually this mindset that we would get to zero COVID, that we would eradicate the virus.

00:46:36.300 And so when I see somebody, I think I don't blame them.

00:46:40.200 I blame the people who have given them the impression that if you wear a mask in public every day for the rest of your life as a young, healthy person, you're going to somehow live a healthier, greater life.

00:46:51.860 Kids have had their face covered for nearly three years over some of this dogma in parts of the country, and the kids are sad.

00:47:00.900 I mean, the one in four teen girls is being treated for depression.

00:47:08.240 And so there are statistics that tell us we've got to not just have a myopic focus on viral transmission of one virus, but instead treat the entire person as a living, beautiful human being.

00:47:23.660 And that's where I hope we can go.

00:47:25.060 Dr. Marty McCary, congratulations, FDA Commissioner.

00:47:29.120 The book Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong and What It Means for Our Health.

00:47:33.060 Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID, and thank you for fighting so hard for a still big announcement today.

00:47:38.560 Appreciate the time.

00:47:39.980 Good to be with you.

00:47:40.600 Thanks, Clay.

00:47:41.760 Dr. Marty McCary, one of the heroes, along with Dr. Bhattacharya, I hope that when history is written of the COVID era, 0.96

00:47:49.340 that guys like him and guys like Dr. Bhattacharya and many others who were willing to speak up against the tidal wave of inhumanity and anti-science,

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00:50:16.340 I will be out.

00:50:17.240 I'm going on a family vacation before all the kids' obligations begin to stack up in earnest.

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00:50:45.440 Great guest hits with Riley Gaines and with Dr. Marty McCary you just heard from in the second hour.

00:50:53.300 It's just us here in the third hour.

00:50:55.540 And there's several different things that I want to hit that I think are particularly important coming out of the weekend.

00:51:02.580 So I'm going to play several of these things.

00:51:05.600 But I want to start with Democrats are now, this is from the New York Times, doing a deep dive on what went wrong in 2024.

00:51:14.820 And they have decided that they need to do a better job of pursuing young men.

00:51:20.840 And this is, this in many ways sounds like what you would say when you discover a new tribe that has never had contact with the outside world before.

00:51:35.460 Democrats just sound completely broken when it comes to understanding how to have a conversation with normal men out there.

00:51:47.600 And I saw this story over the weekend in the New York Times and I just thought to myself, yes, we should definitely focus on this, Democrats.

00:51:56.600 You'll nail it.

00:51:57.360 This is from the New York Times.

00:51:59.140 The prospectus for one new $20 million effort obtained by the Times aims to reverse the erosion of Democrat support among young men, especially online.

00:52:11.880 And again, I'm reading from the New York Times.

00:52:13.460 It is codenamed SAM, short for Speaking with American Men, A Strategic Plan, and promises investment to, quote, study the syntax, language, and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces.

00:52:33.220 It recommends buying advertisements in video games, among other things.

00:52:37.420 I have talked about this quite a lot, and this is what my new book is about.

00:52:43.100 It's about how Democrats lost young men.

00:52:45.480 And I want to tell you a couple of analogies that are in the book.

00:52:48.500 You can go buy it.

00:52:49.900 Some of you are going to gasp a bit when you hear what it's called.

00:52:53.900 But let me first thank President Trump for his endorsement.

00:52:58.680 Some of you may have seen this over the weekend.

00:53:01.260 He posted, this is President Trump.

00:53:03.400 Clay Travis has a great, all caps, new book coming out November 4th, 2025, Balls, How Trump Young Men and Sports Saved America.

00:53:15.640 Clay is a highly talented commentator who is tough, smart, and gifted with, all caps, common sense.

00:53:22.140 He studied our historic movement from the very beginning.

00:53:24.920 Truly gets MAGA.

00:53:25.920 MAGA loves him.

00:53:27.100 Pre-order your copy today with a link.

00:53:30.500 Again, the book is called, it's going to be out in November, but you can get it for $14, I think, right now on Amazon, Balls, How Trump Young Men and Sports Saved America.

00:53:38.780 And the cover of the book has two basketballs on the cover.

00:53:43.460 And some of you are going to say, oh my God, like you're so immature.

00:53:47.520 And yes, that probably is somewhat true.

00:53:49.400 But I also want for people to be gripped by the argument.

00:53:55.480 And the cover of a book is, not surprisingly, an opportunity to grab people and make them think about something or see something that they may not have seen before.

00:54:06.260 And so I've spent a great deal of time in the last several months diving into the data, analyzing what exactly is going on with young men.

00:54:15.640 And I want to hit you with a couple of stories that really are in the book.

00:54:20.240 And again, the book's going to be out in November.

00:54:21.960 I think you guys are really going to like it.

00:54:23.620 If you're audio book people, I'll be reading it.

00:54:26.820 Buck has got a great new book that's going to be out in January, too.

00:54:29.860 So we'll have a couple of good books.

00:54:31.640 And I imagine that he's going to be reading his book, too.

00:54:34.100 So for those of you that are going to be on the road and don't necessarily want to read the book itself, you can get the audio version.

00:54:40.200 But it's up on Amazon.

00:54:41.420 It's only $14.

00:54:42.140 And it'll be right there.

00:54:45.300 And I appreciate President Trump for endorsing the book.

00:54:48.240 They said, hey, how do you want to announce the book?

00:54:50.520 And I said, well, I'd like for President Trump to announce it.

00:54:53.040 I didn't know if he would.

00:54:54.520 But on Sunday night, they popped me and said, hey, President, just he's going to be endorsing your book.

00:55:01.300 He loves it.

00:55:01.800 He's excited about the concept.

00:55:03.280 And Trump gets it, right?

00:55:04.740 Trump gets young men.

00:55:05.860 But I want to talk to you.

00:55:06.880 If you've got kids or grandkids, I want to hit you with a couple of stories.

00:55:09.600 Sometimes we don't see the world through the eyes of people who are of different ages than us, even though we might see many of the same things that they do.

00:55:23.400 And I've got two stories that are examples and anecdotes that are in the book that really kind of crystallized the world for me.

00:55:30.940 You guys know I have three boys.

00:55:32.960 So I think about this quite a lot.

00:55:34.320 Right now, they are 17, 14, and 10.

00:55:37.240 Got one who's going to be a rising senior, rising ninth grader, rising fifth grader.

00:55:41.240 So fairly different ages.

00:55:44.940 But in the COVID era in 2020, my then nine-year-old, my middle son, like a lot of your kids or grandkids, was obsessed with football cards, basketball cards, baseball cards.

00:55:57.300 I loved them when I was a kid.

00:55:59.240 My boys got really into them as well.

00:56:01.440 Well, YouTube has really, I think, fueled this because you unpack, you open these, you break, as they call it, these cards, and you go through and you look at them, and they have all sorts of special cards.

00:56:14.780 Really very cool.

00:56:16.400 I mean, it takes me back in time every time I walk into a card shop with my boys.

00:56:20.420 And it just reminds me of being in the 1980s, 1990s, for many of you, 60s, 70s, whenever you were into 2000s, baseball cards, football cards, basketball cards.

00:56:33.900 And we were going to Target during the COVID era.

00:56:37.280 Everything, you know, by and large, shut down.

00:56:39.200 My kids are really fired up about cards even more.

00:56:43.080 This is when YouTube, it kind of took off people.

00:56:45.420 Card value skyrocketed a lot of people sitting around watching.

00:56:48.800 And we walked into Target.

00:56:52.240 And this is before the Target tuck bathing suits went crazy, before Target's Pride Month insanity.

00:56:59.140 We walked in, and my nine-year-old points to the very first clothing display in our local Target.

00:57:08.460 This is Franklin, Tennessee.

00:57:10.120 This is a red county in a red state.

00:57:13.400 I'm not talking about walking in Times Square or something into a Target.

00:57:17.720 This is Franklin, Tennessee, where I live, in Williamson County, just south of Nashville, Tennessee.

00:57:24.140 Red county, red state.

00:57:26.060 And he just said they would never have anything like, and I'm paraphrasing him, they would never have that for us.

00:57:35.060 And I didn't really know what he was talking about.

00:57:39.540 We looked over.

00:57:40.640 He said they would never, and there's this huge display, all of girl power t-shirts.

00:57:47.140 Girls rule. 1.00

00:57:48.240 Girls, you know, dominate. 1.00

00:57:49.920 Whatever it is.

00:57:51.640 And girl power. 1.00

00:57:53.380 He said they would never sell boy power shirts, Dad.

00:57:55.980 I thought, you know, it's really very, I mean, I hadn't thought about it, because I'm a generation

00:58:04.000 older than him, and the generation that I grew up in is, boys and girls should be equal.

00:58:10.360 Boys and girls should all be able to be doctors or lawyers.

00:58:13.240 You should all be able to pursue whatever career you want to.

00:58:18.260 We should allow, regardless of whether you're a boy or girl, girls and boys to have equal success.

00:58:25.720 And I went to law school at Vanderbilt, met his mom there.

00:58:29.500 There were more girls in my law school class than boys. 1.00

00:58:33.580 And there are way more girls now that graduate from college than boys who graduate from college, like 60-40. 0.60

00:58:40.280 And you can imagine, if 60% of college degrees still went to men instead of women, we would 0.69

00:58:48.940 hear about it all the time.

00:58:50.600 It would be one of the top talking points.

00:58:53.220 Oh, look how sexist, look how the patriarchy still dominates. 0.62

00:58:56.840 I mean, we're talking about 60% of college degrees go to women, and the majority now of 0.98

00:59:01.680 graduate degrees go to women, too. 1.00

00:59:03.360 And yet, you walk into a Target store, according to my then 9-year-old, and they get the message 0.98

00:59:11.220 all the time, girls rule, boys basically stink. 0.82

00:59:16.600 And they would never have a boy-powered t-shirt, and he was right.

00:59:21.160 And shortly thereafter, they go to public school, K-6, all my boys have.

00:59:28.140 One of their friends came in to the house, and he was talking about they had been having

00:59:34.720 a history lesson at school, and the history lesson that he had taken as a young white kid 0.98

00:59:40.360 was white people, white boys, white men ruin everything. 0.97

00:59:46.280 And he was kind of jokingly sitting around, and he was like, you know, Mr. Clay, they tell 0.99

00:59:50.800 us that we have all this power.

00:59:53.060 And he's like, my mom doesn't even let me pick what I get to eat for dinner.

00:59:59.220 And it's funny, but it's also kind of sad.

01:00:03.360 Because we've raised this entire generation of boys that has been told, not just white

01:00:10.340 kids, black kids, Asian kids, Hispanic kids, hey, being a man, being a boy, there's something

01:00:17.060 wrong with it. 1.00

01:00:18.860 Your masculinity is toxic.

01:00:20.860 And what I grapple with in this book is, imagine that we raised an entire generation 0.50

01:00:28.040 of boys, and we told them that their identity was toxic.

01:00:35.140 And then we shut down their schools, and we shut down their sports teams, and we told them

01:00:42.920 that COVID was dangerous, and masculinity is toxic, and they didn't get to go to prom, and

01:00:49.040 they didn't get to finish their basketball season, or their soccer seasons, and young

01:00:53.120 girls are part of this too. 1.00

01:00:54.580 But I think boys in particular is what I focused on because of the data.

01:00:58.500 They're profoundly angry.

01:01:02.940 Young, white, Hispanic, Asian, and black men are profoundly angry. 0.99

01:01:08.800 And I really think that Trump, even though he's their grandfather, channels their anger at the

01:01:18.340 establishment that took away part of their youth, that told all of them at birth, hey, you're

01:01:28.400 toxic because you're masculine.

01:01:30.400 Is it any wonder that they would be deeply searching for purpose in life, and then you downgrade

01:01:39.960 religion, you tell them that being a provider is somewhat toxic too, that they should be beta 1.00

01:01:50.000 male versions of themselves.

01:01:52.080 They are fundamentally rejecting what I would call is the girl power era. 0.99

01:02:01.380 And they're saying there's nothing wrong with being a boy.

01:02:03.860 There's nothing wrong with growing up to be a man.

01:02:06.760 And I think that a lot of moms out there right now are listening because you're raising boys.

01:02:12.460 And I think a lot of grandmas are looking around like, when did all the men in the world turn 0.98

01:02:17.100 into pussy willows, and I think that Trump has channeled that anger, and I also think 0.94

01:02:25.400 that the younger boys are actually more conservative than the young boys who broke in huge numbers. 0.98

01:02:32.800 And there's a big data analysis in this book, Balls, and again, you've got to grab people's

01:02:36.600 attention.

01:02:38.160 There's a big part in the book.

01:02:39.680 Do you know the two Trumpiest voting groups in America in the 2024 election were men over

01:02:49.120 the age of 65 and young men 24 and younger?

01:02:55.100 I bet never in history have young men and older men been more aligned than they are right now.

01:03:04.040 And the older men are like, this whole generation is BS, but you know what the younger men are saying?

01:03:08.240 Women, you're right, Grandpa, this whole generation is BS. 1.00

01:03:11.380 Now, people like me are kind of in the middle, right?

01:03:14.280 Because I think we grew up in the era of, hey, women should be able to be successful. 0.96

01:03:17.800 Yeah, good.

01:03:18.620 Go be a doctor.

01:03:19.340 Go be a lawyer.

01:03:20.240 That's fine. 0.91

01:03:21.460 But I think this younger generation, it's moved from women should be successful to men are bad.

01:03:27.900 We have dragged down men to elevate women, and I think they see it, they feel it, they're

01:03:33.780 being taught it.

01:03:34.460 And so this book that I wrote is a complete examination of that era.

01:03:41.240 And I don't think anybody else has told the story.

01:03:43.640 Again, it comes through the world of sports, COVID, all of it rolls together to create what

01:03:48.640 may be the most conservative generation that any of us have ever seen in terms of young

01:03:53.500 men.

01:03:53.980 And I see it as a dad because the younger men are moving even more conservative.

01:03:59.840 And the line of demarcation to me is COVID.

01:04:03.940 COVID was the breaking point.

01:04:06.100 The point in time where a lot of these young men said, no, we're being lied to.

01:04:10.400 If you lied to me about COVID, why should I listen to you about gender issues? 0.67

01:04:14.460 Why should I trust you on anything?

01:04:16.700 And I think Trump and his disruptive bravery, I'll talk about that in a sec when I come back,

01:04:22.040 connects with them on a visceral level, white, black, Asian, Hispanic.

01:04:25.980 It's not just white kids.

01:04:26.740 It's young men of all ages the data is reflecting.

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