Verdict with Ted Cruz - October 23, 2025


Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Oct 23 2025


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 6 minutes

Words per Minute

178.87143

Word Count

11,925

Sentence Count

871

Misogynist Sentences

39

Hate Speech Sentences

13


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:02.700 Guaranteed human.
00:00:04.840 Welcome, everybody, to the Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
00:00:10.680 And much to discuss with all of you.
00:00:12.940 We're back from Fort Wayne, Indiana, where we were yesterday.
00:00:16.320 Woe, woe land.
00:00:17.300 Had a great time there.
00:00:18.220 Thank you all for coming out for the live show.
00:00:19.860 Thank you all for listening in the greater Indiana area.
00:00:24.120 Because, of course, woe, woe reaches far and wide in the Hoosier State.
00:00:28.360 And it was a great time.
00:00:29.520 Thank you.
00:00:30.000 Thank you.
00:00:30.480 Let's look at what we have on the docket for you all today.
00:00:36.480 Why is Abigail Spanberger having trouble in Virginia?
00:00:40.040 The best answer.
00:00:41.280 Some people are saying the best answer you're going to hear anywhere.
00:00:44.420 The most hilarious.
00:00:45.520 We will get to that in a bit.
00:00:47.300 That Virginia governor's race, of course, very important.
00:00:49.820 More updates on Kami Mamdani in New York City and what is going on there.
00:00:54.640 Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, talks about his view of blowing up these narco boats.
00:01:01.860 We've got the military going kinetic on narco boats off the coast of Venezuela in international waters.
00:01:08.720 And we shall discuss that.
00:01:10.560 A little more attention being paid to what's getting in the middle of this whole shutdown fight, including the cost of health care, which I really hope people will start to pay more attention to.
00:01:23.560 But we're going to dive into something else here for a moment.
00:01:27.500 I was watching this morning.
00:01:29.780 I was getting prepped, and I flew back home.
00:01:33.020 Had to get to the Nashville.
00:01:33.940 By the way, Nashville Airport is so civilized.
00:01:36.400 It's such a nice airport.
00:01:37.860 Great airport.
00:01:38.180 It's a great airport.
00:01:39.240 Miami Airport is trash.
00:01:41.460 I love Miami.
00:01:42.420 I love Florida.
00:01:43.000 Miami Airport, MIA Airport is trash.
00:01:45.460 Anyway, Nashville Airport, lovely, civilized.
00:01:47.840 There's practically a bluegrass band.
00:01:50.060 Actually, sometimes there is a bluegrass band.
00:01:51.520 Just play them whenever you walk around there hanging out.
00:01:53.980 But I was flying back this morning, and I saw this story, and I watched some of this press conference, and I was like, oh, boy.
00:01:59.900 This is like Clay Travis outkick DEFCON 1.
00:02:03.560 This is quite a thing.
00:02:05.400 The NBA betting scandal.
00:02:07.660 Let's just start this off, Clay, before you take us on a whirlwind tour of all the madness.
00:02:13.160 FBI Director Cash Patel announcing these arrests, the betting scandal, the mobs involved.
00:02:19.060 Oh, my.
00:02:19.600 Play one.
00:02:20.000 As you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today, former, current NBA players and coaches.
00:02:30.060 What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years.
00:02:37.640 The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.
00:02:46.240 The men and women that are standing up here today worked tireless hours, days, months, and years.
00:02:53.360 And the fraud is mind-boggling.
00:02:56.040 It's not hundreds of dollars.
00:02:57.440 It's not thousands of dollars.
00:02:59.000 It's not tens of thousands of dollars.
00:03:00.820 It's not even millions of dollars.
00:03:02.660 We're talking about tens of millions of dollars in fraud and theft and robbery across a multi-year investigation.
00:03:10.240 Clay, I've got to ask you, because I've already had three people ask me to ask you, as I've asked walking my dog on the street, what does Clay think about the betting scandal?
00:03:21.740 Clay, take it away.
00:03:23.140 All right.
00:03:23.540 So this is like maybe my most epic wheelhouse.
00:03:27.120 I've been on Fox News all morning.
00:03:28.740 And I watched and listened to the entire Kash Patel press conference.
00:03:36.240 So let me break it down for you twofold.
00:03:38.200 And by the way, some of you may have questions about this, because I think this is going to be one of those stories that it connects everywhere, because some of the details are just so crazy.
00:03:49.820 So let me break it down for you.
00:03:51.380 Basically, the FBI announced two different indictments which were interconnected.
00:03:57.000 The first one, it feels like a movie.
00:04:01.820 The mafia was rigging poker games, and they were using some of the details here, Buck, contact lenses that could look through cards, x-ray machines to know what cards were coming.
00:04:17.940 There were cameras in chandeliers, and they were using what they called face cards.
00:04:25.820 These are famous guys, imagine they're almost all men, to draw in the card players, the poker players.
00:04:34.860 And one of them was Chauncey Billups, allegedly.
00:04:38.160 The head coach right now was of the Portland Trailblazers, who was arrested early this morning.
00:04:44.240 So this is the mafia, which we haven't heard a lot about for a long time, rigging these high-end poker games.
00:04:51.980 They said the amounts of lost money were in the tens of millions of dollars.
00:04:56.460 One guy lost $1.8 million in one game.
00:05:01.980 I bet, I bet, I bet that we have listeners right now who were in these games.
00:05:08.020 I bet.
00:05:08.580 I'm just going to toss it out there in that some of these high-end poker games, you guys went and you thought, man, I just, I really had a rough night.
00:05:17.980 No, no, no, you were the fish.
00:05:20.260 You were the rich guy, probably almost all men, that they brought in and they rigged these games.
00:05:26.600 There is a man named Damon Jones, former coach and player in the NBA, who was charged alongside of Chauncey Billups in this case.
00:05:36.060 And then there was, he was the linchpin to a second case, which had to do with brazen sports corruption, an insider betting scandal.
00:05:48.540 Do we have Jess Tish, because this really kind of sums up the NBA side.
00:05:53.420 She said that Terry Rozier, an NBA basketball player right now, Buck, for your Miami Heat, who was previously playing for the Charlotte Hornets,
00:06:04.920 he told everybody he was going to leave a game early, left after only nine minutes.
00:06:10.800 There were $200,000 wagered on him not achieving the numbers that were prop-betted for that particular game, points, rebounds, assists.
00:06:20.800 And they said the proceeds were then delivered to his house, where they counted the $200,000 in cash.
00:06:30.720 Now, we have that cut three.
00:06:33.500 Listen to this, and I'll give you a take on a couple of different angles here.
00:06:37.020 In some instances, players altered their performance or took themselves out of games to make sure that those bets paid out.
00:06:44.300 One example occurred on March 23rd, 2023, in Charlotte, Terry Rozier, an NBA player now with the Miami Heat,
00:06:52.980 but at the time playing for the Hornets, allegedly let others close to him know that he planned to leave the game early with a supposed injury.
00:07:02.540 Using that information, members of the group placed more than $200,000 in wagers on his under statistics.
00:07:09.460 Rozier exited the game after just nine minutes, and those bets paid out, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profit.
00:07:18.760 The proceeds were later delivered to his home, where the group counted their cash.
00:07:24.380 As the NBA season tips off, his career is already benched, not for injury, but for integrity.
00:07:32.420 Uh, yeah. What is your takeaway, Buck?
00:07:34.940 Can I ask?
00:07:35.620 Yes.
00:07:36.220 I feel like the kid in the classroom. I'm like, I have questions. I have questions.
00:07:39.440 Okay. How much money does this guy, Rozier, make?
00:07:43.860 Because NBA salaries...
00:07:46.300 I'll tell you, $26.6 million this year.
00:07:50.260 So this is an epically dumb decision that is potentially going to put him behind bars
00:07:55.140 and make him basically what he makes on an average NBA game.
00:07:59.640 Thank you. This is, this is what I was wondering about, because to me, okay, so it is mind-blowingly stupid.
00:08:06.960 Mind-blowingly stupid.
00:08:08.500 Forget about the integrity and all that. That's, that's baked into this.
00:08:11.360 We, of course, know you shouldn't do this, but you're going to risk a $26 million a year salary for $200,000?
00:08:18.240 He makes $300,000.
00:08:19.280 It's like $124,000 per game right now, Buck.
00:08:23.580 So he risked basically one half of a game salary, one half of one game salary, uh, for, to lose all of it.
00:08:34.000 Astonishing. Astonishing. It's, I don't even know what to say.
00:08:37.360 I, I, that's one of the dumbest criminal capers I've heard in a very long time.
00:08:42.700 Yes. And, um, and look, uh, I've got so many takes on this.
00:08:48.560 I mean, I, I'll hold it up for people watching on video.
00:08:51.340 I mean, I was watching this press conference live and my jaw just kept dropping.
00:08:55.540 The detail of the ways that they would rig these poker games.
00:09:00.740 Um, I mean, if you put it in a movie, a lot of us would say, there's no way that could actually be true.
00:09:09.180 Um, and listen to it. I think we have cut for, this is U S attorney, Joseph Nacella might be mispronouncing his game.
00:09:18.960 Describing the way that they would cheat in these poker games.
00:09:21.960 They used off the shelf shuffling machines that had been secretly altered in order to read the cards in the deck,
00:09:29.140 predict which player at the table had the best poker hands and relay that information to an offsite operator.
00:09:35.720 Defendants used other cheating technologies, such as poker chip tray analyzers,
00:09:40.800 which is a poker chip tray that secretly reads cards, uh, using a hidden camera,
00:09:45.660 special contact lenses or eyeglasses that could read pre-marked cards and an X-ray table that could read cards face down on the table.
00:09:54.860 Buck, I mean, this is, this is crazy stuff.
00:10:00.160 And so I, I believe what happened, this is my theory in general, based on watching this press conference is
00:10:06.340 they became aware the mafia was involved in rigging these games.
00:10:11.060 Uh, and then based upon the surveillance of the people who were involved in these games,
00:10:16.760 they were then able to find out that this NBA rigging of individual bets may also have been going through the linchpin connector here,
00:10:26.040 which was Damon Jones, who was accused on both sides of this, uh, these charges.
00:10:31.140 Remember when they were bringing that preposterous Rico case against Trump in Atlanta,
00:10:37.000 and you and I were talking about how it was absurd and Rico is really something that you think of for cross state mafia,
00:10:45.180 illicit fraudulent, uh, activities.
00:10:47.840 This to me looks like a big Rico case, right?
00:10:50.180 I mean, if you're talking about the mob, 11 states, fixing games in 11 different states,
00:10:56.600 massive fraud, millions and millions of dollars.
00:10:59.640 Uh, and I, I know they've had dozens, they've had dozens of people already indicted.
00:11:03.640 Is that right that I over 30 is the number of people that were indicted one current player,
00:11:10.420 one current coach, one former coach and player connected to the NBA.
00:11:14.360 So now, uh, Clay was inescapable this morning.
00:11:17.600 You know, I'm making, I'm making my crack at coffee.
00:11:19.900 Clay's on the TV.
00:11:20.800 I'm listening, uh, to the radio.
00:11:23.700 Clay's other, uh, talking about this.
00:11:25.780 So I have to ask you this.
00:11:27.220 I'm sure others have asked you.
00:11:28.360 I haven't heard you address this one yet though.
00:11:29.940 Do you think this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this kind of fixing or is
00:11:34.840 this the worst of it?
00:11:36.320 Have we already heard the worst of it or is there more?
00:11:39.160 Well, some people don't like the fact that I like sports gambling.
00:11:42.700 Um, and, uh, and you're certainly entitled to that opinion.
00:11:46.300 Just like some people don't like the fact that I like bourbon, you know, um, I, I, I am
00:11:50.960 a center, um, uh, when it comes to, uh, to things like that, I love to gamble.
00:11:55.320 I like to have an occasional drink.
00:11:57.180 Um, I actually think Buck that legalized gambling makes it more likely that we catch people for
00:12:03.680 this because the sports books who were described as victims here, the sports books typically
00:12:10.680 catch illegal, uh, irregular wagering patterns, almost like stock market sec stuff, right?
00:12:16.960 Like if someone bets the farm the day before the big announcement comes out, that's right.
00:12:21.000 They can tell they caught an Alabama baseball coach, for instance, because he had an associate
00:12:26.640 allegedly going, I think to a Cincinnati, Ohio sports book and bet, try to bet a ton of money
00:12:33.240 on a random college baseball game.
00:12:35.440 And they just said, well, you know, this like, it's one thing if you walk in and you say,
00:12:39.000 Hey, I want to put five grand down on the Superbowl.
00:12:42.240 That's not an uncommon bet.
00:12:44.420 Uh, they wouldn't, it wouldn't raise eyebrows.
00:12:46.500 If you walk in and you say, Hey, I want to put $5,000 down in a random sports book on
00:12:52.920 a random college baseball game, women's field hockey.
00:12:56.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:12:57.360 Right.
00:12:57.800 If you suddenly walked up and you're like, Hey, I'm going to put a hundred K on a WNBA
00:13:02.740 game.
00:13:03.800 They would be like, Hmm, sorry.
00:13:06.500 They want, in other words, they put limits in place.
00:13:09.200 A lot of times you can't get down the full amount of money that you do.
00:13:12.580 Therefore you try to go around to different books.
00:13:14.560 Usually it gets flagged and that's why the line is adjusting constantly, right?
00:13:18.840 There's a market.
00:13:20.080 And if tons of sharp money, they call it comes in on one side or the other.
00:13:24.020 They wonder about injuries.
00:13:25.700 They wonder about things like that.
00:13:27.420 I think what has happened, Buck is the sunshine of legalized sports gambling has shown us how
00:13:33.700 often, in my opinion, this has been happening over the past several decades and not necessarily
00:13:40.040 gotten caught because there isn't a regulatory mechanism by which it gets caught.
00:13:45.320 Look, the sports books want games to be on the up and up more than anybody because they
00:13:49.980 risk, if there's a rig, they're the ones who are risking the money oftentimes and being
00:13:54.440 taken advantage of.
00:13:56.420 We'll get into more of this.
00:13:57.760 I'm sure a lot of you are going to have some takes.
00:13:59.360 I'm curious what questions people have out there because this is a crazy story.
00:14:03.180 Well, theoretically, sports sports should be an area where it's actually a totally fair
00:14:11.140 market because there's really no.
00:14:14.100 I mean, the teams are the teams.
00:14:16.800 So and no one knows what's going to happen, the opposing forces.
00:14:20.000 So it's it's very clear fraud if somebody is affecting that clear marketplace because of
00:14:26.080 individual gain, illicit profit.
00:14:29.300 So I totally see this as, you know, if you have laws against insider trading, you've got
00:14:34.140 to have laws against people shaving points or doing these prop things.
00:14:37.740 And I know we do, but I'm just saying you have to enforce those laws, too.
00:14:42.520 Yeah, no doubt.
00:14:43.060 We'll talk about this.
00:14:43.840 I'm curious what questions you guys might have, because this is a crazy story.
00:14:47.200 They're going to make movies about this.
00:14:48.400 I mean, there's going to be Netflix documentaries.
00:14:50.320 There's going to be Netflix series.
00:14:51.540 It's like Rounders, which is super popular game for for poker players.
00:14:55.420 Maybe some of y'all even feel like maybe you were in some of these high end games.
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00:17:32.660 The Virginia governor's race and some other big political showdowns, including the mayor's race in New York City.
00:17:39.560 Let's talk about this.
00:17:42.060 First up here, polls.
00:17:44.780 Polls, polls, polls, polls.
00:17:47.500 Here we have Spanberger, according to the New York Times here with all these different polls, up 9, up 12, up 13, up 5, up 10, all this stuff.
00:17:58.380 I don't buy it.
00:17:59.420 Trafalgar has her up 2, which I think is within the margin of error.
00:18:03.480 Where's the margin?
00:18:04.200 Well, almost the margin of error.
00:18:05.640 So I think that this is one of these times where they're trying to tell everybody, on the one hand, the polls show that Spanberger is a shoo-in.
00:18:16.740 But on the other hand, they're concerned about Spanberger at the same time.
00:18:20.480 And this is just fun for us.
00:18:23.740 As two guys who make a living doing this, there's just some basic stuff here that you want to find out before you go on the air.
00:18:41.680 For example, Mika Brzezinski, who really, I think, just exists on television so that wealthy Chardonnay ladies of suburbs of major cities have somebody that they can look to who gives them emotional validation in their politics without actually educating them about any politics.
00:19:07.700 Because here we go, the reason that Abigail Spanberger is struggling, I just told you, all the polls say that, oh, she's going to win by so much.
00:19:17.740 But the Democrats know it's actually pretty close, and they're worried.
00:19:21.240 And so they're saying the reason they're struggling is sexism.
00:19:27.900 Play seven.
00:19:28.320 It really is incredible when you have Abigail Spanberger, Miki Sherrill, her background, all the different jobs that she has held in the military.
00:19:37.740 And also, like Alyssa Slotkin, I mean, my God, these women are incredible.
00:19:42.860 And to them, I would say, fight, fight, fight, because we need them.
00:19:48.700 I mean, this is something that a lot of Democrats are grappling with right now.
00:19:51.680 They've nominated women two of the last three elections for the presidency, lost both.
00:19:56.860 There are some who say, well, we can't do that again.
00:19:58.960 The stakes are too high.
00:20:00.200 But, of course, that does fall into the same misogynistic trap.
00:20:03.040 Other countries have no problem electing women.
00:20:07.080 Abigail Spanberger is running against a black woman.
00:20:13.860 Yes.
00:20:15.240 So how is it that Abigail Spanberger being a woman is the cause of her difficulties, Clay?
00:20:23.000 I just need to understand this.
00:20:26.080 Not only that, she mentioned Alyssa Slotkin, who is running for governor in Michigan.
00:20:32.780 Michigan has a female governor.
00:20:37.220 And the last Michigan governor's race was our friend Tudor Dixon running against Gretchen
00:20:42.480 Widmer.
00:20:43.300 Two women ran against each other.
00:20:45.160 So, this is just do a smidgen of basic research and don't dive headlong into the oppression
00:20:55.280 Olympics.
00:20:56.200 And you can see that there are women winning elections all over the country.
00:21:02.320 And sometimes women lose elections all over the country, just like men do.
00:21:07.620 I don't know that any woman has lost an election because of her gender in, frankly, the 21st century.
00:21:17.960 Hillary was not a great candidate.
00:21:20.060 Barack Obama beat her.
00:21:21.120 I don't think Barack Obama beat her because he was a black man.
00:21:24.400 I think he beat her because he was a better candidate.
00:21:27.660 Bernie Sanders would have beaten Hillary, but he didn't because the DNC actually rigged the
00:21:33.220 election for her.
00:21:34.940 And Hillary lost because she did a poor job as a poor candidate campaigning in the battleground
00:21:40.240 states that she didn't think she had any reason to be concerned about losing all over the
00:21:44.400 Midwest.
00:21:44.640 And Kamala, regardless of her gender, may have been the worst candidate anyone has seen.
00:21:52.540 And she was elevated, I would argue, to the Democrat nomination because of her race and
00:21:59.300 her gender.
00:22:00.340 So, if she hadn't been a black woman, I think there's a decent chance they would have had
00:22:04.500 some sort of short, open, mini primary.
00:22:07.340 But they were so afraid of being called racist and sexist inside the Democrat Party that they
00:22:11.960 just said, ah, hell, go ahead and put Kamala up.
00:22:14.100 We'll see what happens.
00:22:15.500 Maybe we get lucky if she loses, then so what?
00:22:18.020 We'll blame the fact that she's a black woman.
00:22:21.320 I just, there's a desperate attempt here to try and make themselves victims and the sign
00:22:31.120 of oppression.
00:22:31.860 But they're not even doing the research that's required to even make the argument very well.
00:22:35.720 You remember when in the, I think, very watchable movie still, As Good As It Gets, with Jack
00:22:44.460 Nicholson and, do you know what I'm talking about?
00:22:47.480 Oh, yeah.
00:22:47.820 It's a great movie.
00:22:48.400 Yeah.
00:22:48.760 Great movie.
00:22:49.920 Remember when he's a famous author, but obviously also a very strange guy or a very socially awkward
00:22:55.080 guy, Jack Nicholson?
00:22:56.620 She says, how do you write women so well?
00:22:59.320 He says, I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability.
00:23:04.740 Now, I'm not endorsing that line.
00:23:07.400 I am just saying that Mika Brzezinski is playing right into that by claiming that a woman losing
00:23:14.900 to a woman is because of sexism.
00:23:17.580 There is neither reason nor accountability in that analysis for their candidate.
00:23:23.780 And Katie Couric, who is still in the game somewhat, I didn't even know this, I thought
00:23:28.600 she was just, you know, counting her millions and doing whatever, but she still does the
00:23:33.160 journalism-ing thing sometimes.
00:23:35.540 She called out Abigail Spanberger because it's just too obvious that Spanberger is trying
00:23:42.740 to run out the clock and not answer tough questions and just let the Democrat machine propel
00:23:47.480 her over the finish line, barely, because she won't tell Jay Jones he's got to drop out.
00:23:52.140 Here's Spanberger's response to Couric.
00:23:54.360 Remember, Jay Jones was the guy running for attorney general.
00:23:57.540 I think he's actually dropped below Meares now for that AG.
00:24:00.400 Meares is, it looks like, hopefully going to win that race because there has been a consequence
00:24:05.600 from the text chain scandal.
00:24:08.080 And Katie Couric's like, hey, Spanberger, you want to be governor, you got to be able to
00:24:11.580 draw a hard line on this.
00:24:12.660 Here's what Spanberger says.
00:24:14.180 Play eight.
00:24:14.600 There's a problem here with Jay Jones.
00:24:17.820 He's the Democratic candidate for Virginia attorney general.
00:24:21.300 He wrote some texts and they were released basically advocating for political violence
00:24:27.860 against his opponent.
00:24:30.320 And the Democrats in your state and other states, I understand, have renounced his rhetoric,
00:24:35.880 but they have not called on for a call for him to drop out of the race.
00:24:40.740 And I'm just curious, why is that?
00:24:43.440 I think there's a couple elements here and I'll speak broadly, but also reflecting my own
00:24:48.420 opinions.
00:24:48.980 And, you know, these texts are years old.
00:24:56.080 That's our answer.
00:24:58.340 That's it.
00:24:59.640 We got we got texts are years old.
00:25:01.540 That's the first that's the first thing we're going with.
00:25:03.380 I what I come back to.
00:25:07.600 First of all, Spanberger is a far left wing candidate and Virginians are being sold a bill
00:25:12.880 of goods, much like we were told that Joe Biden was Grandpa Joe and he was going to be
00:25:17.080 a very moderate Scranton Joe middle of the road leader.
00:25:19.780 And then as soon as he got in, he did everything the super left wing of the party wanted him to do.
00:25:25.300 Abigail Spanberger will do that exact same thing in Virginia.
00:25:28.180 And a lot of Virginians are being sold a bill of goods here and they're going to wake up in a
00:25:32.660 year and a half or two years and say, how did this happen?
00:25:34.960 How are there all these dudes in women's locker rooms?
00:25:38.100 How is my daughter playing a volleyball game against a six foot five dude who's smashing
00:25:43.380 volleyball on the other side of the net?
00:25:45.840 It's going to be because Abigail Spanberger says, well, we have to respect the gender
00:25:49.540 identity of these teenage boys who are pretending to be girls.
00:25:53.120 That's the reality.
00:25:53.980 By the way, this is crazy.
00:25:57.020 Did you see, Buck, the Minnesota Supreme Court voted seven to zero in the judged seven zero
00:26:05.980 all Democrat appointees that a power lifter, male power lifter was being discriminated against
00:26:12.480 his human rights were being discriminated against and he had to be allowed by the power lifting
00:26:17.360 association to compete as a woman.
00:26:19.420 This is a big freaking dude.
00:26:22.320 Yeah, like power lifting of all things, Buck, you would think with strength.
00:26:26.340 I mean, this is basically the most thing that masculinity matters the most on power lifting
00:26:32.480 of all things.
00:26:33.660 Seven.
00:26:33.820 Oh, he has to be able to compete in women's athletics.
00:26:35.640 This is a reminder, everyone.
00:26:38.700 Their plan, the Democrat, the left's plan on the trans agenda, trans rights, whatever, is
00:26:47.920 not to moderate, is not to become rational.
00:26:52.220 Their plan is to ride this out until they can force the insanity on you via the state.
00:26:58.260 They can use state power, first in places like Minnesota and then California, they can use
00:27:05.200 state power to make you do this and make you pretend.
00:27:10.640 Clay, right?
00:27:11.340 Their plan is to just wait until the shoe is on the other foot and decide that they can
00:27:18.300 make us comply.
00:27:19.520 It's like we saw with COVID.
00:27:21.100 It's different in terms of, obviously, what we're talking about.
00:27:23.640 But just, they're going to use state force to make you do crazy stuff on trans the second
00:27:29.560 they can.
00:27:30.160 You're going to be told, clap for the 250-pound dude winning the power lifting competitions
00:27:35.140 and say his name is Sally and he's actually a girl or else.
00:27:39.940 That's the plan.
00:27:41.320 I mean, for those of you out there who would say, oh, this is an exaggerated issue, seven
00:27:46.580 members of the Supreme Court of the state of Minnesota just said it's a violation of this
00:27:51.620 dude's human rights for the power lifting association to say you're actually a man, you're not allowed
00:27:57.240 to compete as a woman.
00:27:58.020 It is absolutely, I mean, I know you're not saying this, it is absolutely not an exaggerated
00:28:02.200 issue on our side.
00:28:03.180 They make it an issue and then when people pay attention, they say, what are you talking
00:28:06.980 about?
00:28:07.300 It's not that big a deal.
00:28:08.420 It's not happening that much.
00:28:09.680 This is the argument of cowards.
00:28:12.820 They won't stand behind the argument until, you know, it's like the person who will only pick
00:28:18.000 a fight with somebody when he's got his 10 buddies there.
00:28:20.140 They only want the fight when they know that they'll be able to use force to win.
00:28:25.540 They don't want to actually have the debate in public.
00:28:27.840 They don't want people to understand what's going on here and they want to do this in states
00:28:31.280 like Minnesota, which what has happened?
00:28:33.700 I used to go camping in Minnesota as a kid.
00:28:36.200 So many nice people, no crime, lovely place.
00:28:40.380 All I see is bad stuff now about at least what's going on and politics and I'm sure there's
00:28:45.120 still nice camping sites, but politics and in Minneapolis, it's not good.
00:28:50.600 Now, I think this is Minnesota.
00:28:52.220 Nice is a real thing.
00:28:53.500 And many of you in Minnesota know it.
00:28:56.080 I think Minnesota may be the foremost example of toxic empathy, ruining a state because they
00:29:02.260 have convinced a lot of people.
00:29:03.720 Well, if you don't acknowledge that, I mean, there was the Minnesota where a dude pitched
00:29:10.560 as a woman and won his girls team, the softball championship is like a six foot two dude was
00:29:19.500 saying, hey, identifies a girl and they won a Minneapolis, sorry, Minnesota state softball
00:29:25.720 championship.
00:29:26.220 They beat all these other girl teams.
00:29:28.580 So they're trying to be kind.
00:29:31.180 This is where I think it comes from, Buck.
00:29:32.480 I think it's a good point.
00:29:33.620 They're trying to be kind.
00:29:34.660 Same thing with George Floyd.
00:29:36.240 Oh, you know, this is so unacceptable.
00:29:38.920 Look, that this is how black people are treated all over Minnesota, all over the country.
00:29:44.440 The BLM protests, what happened to George Floyd was a crazy outlier.
00:29:48.320 And we could do probably whole shows on the calamity surrounding the criminal prosecution
00:29:55.040 and everything else of Derek Chauvin in that entire case.
00:29:58.500 But the fact that they didn't shut down the protests, the fact that Tim Walls and his wife
00:30:03.500 bragged about leaving the mansion windows open so they could smell the city burning as
00:30:08.960 if that was somehow a sign of pride.
00:30:11.760 There's a lot of white guilt.
00:30:13.180 I think there's a lot of white kindness that has been used to drive toxic results all over
00:30:21.040 the state of Minnesota.
00:30:21.940 Well, the courtesy of people on the right, the innate kindness, desire for respect, civility
00:30:30.940 and decency has unfortunately been used as a Trojan horse for the left wing radical agenda
00:30:36.940 on the trans stuff the whole time.
00:30:38.880 The whole time.
00:30:40.600 Come on.
00:30:41.280 This person's having a tough time.
00:30:42.460 Just use the name.
00:30:43.680 Just use the pronoun.
00:30:45.100 Just be inclusive.
00:30:46.720 To now it's, that's not Macho Man Randy Savage, you know, throwing elbows at these little
00:30:52.700 girls and breaking their noses.
00:30:55.040 That's Tina.
00:30:57.220 No, it's Macho Man Randy Savage.
00:30:59.360 I mean, you've seen the picture of the power lifter in Minnesota.
00:31:02.640 I mean, it is a huge dude, man.
00:31:05.060 I mean, power lifting, for those of you who don't lift, men who power lift are freakishly
00:31:11.080 large dudes in the first place, right?
00:31:13.260 I mean, power lifting is maybe the most aggressively masculine way to lift weights on the planet.
00:31:19.560 So of all the things that you could be using to try to compete as a man in women's sports,
00:31:26.200 power lifting might be, is this fair, Buck?
00:31:28.360 Might be the sport where you have almost the biggest advantage.
00:31:30.900 Yes.
00:31:32.280 I will.
00:31:32.860 So I, a long time ago, and don't come at me CrossFitters, I think CrossFit actually
00:31:37.460 does, is very injury prone and I'm not a fan.
00:31:39.760 But anyway, it's not for me.
00:31:41.000 A long time ago, I used to go to a CrossFit gym and, you know, you'd put your, you'd put
00:31:45.100 your stuff up there and there were a few, there were women in there who had quads the size
00:31:50.600 of telephone poles.
00:31:51.600 I'm just saying, very, very strong.
00:31:54.140 You and I can both bench more than they can easily.
00:31:56.560 Yes.
00:31:56.860 And, and, and people will sit there and make fun of us for being slouchy looking radio
00:32:01.320 hosts, which fair, but we can both bench more than, than almost any woman on the planet.
00:32:07.800 Correct.
00:32:09.020 So like, are we really going to do, we really are going to do this?
00:32:12.520 We're really going to do this?
00:32:13.720 You know, wild, wild stuff.
00:32:15.640 So I, and that's where we are folks.
00:32:17.580 The answer is yes.
00:32:18.740 They're not backing off this.
00:32:20.560 You have to pretend that it's not Macho Man Randy Savage.
00:32:23.240 He's not here to talk about his transition.
00:32:27.240 You haven't seen that.
00:32:28.660 You got to go back and watch that South Park clip.
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00:33:47.800 All right.
00:33:48.240 Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
00:33:49.960 We have Congressman Jim Jordan with us in the mix today.
00:33:54.920 What's going on, Congressman?
00:33:56.900 How you guys doing?
00:33:57.880 Good to be with you.
00:33:59.320 We're good.
00:34:00.180 Can I?
00:34:00.760 There's a few things we have on the agenda for you today, sir, to talk about in the
00:34:04.560 news, but the shutdown starting to feel like the Democrats are playing a bit of chicken
00:34:13.320 here and maybe not going to pull off, pull off the road.
00:34:16.760 There's word that this could create a shortage in like food stamps for people.
00:34:23.440 What is going on here?
00:34:26.000 Well, I mean, you guys have talked about this.
00:34:27.960 We all know this is about the crazy left that now, unfortunately, has control of one of our
00:34:31.940 major political parties.
00:34:34.320 And like I said, I think the first week this happened, Chuck Schumer is having a debate
00:34:38.240 with Chuck Schumer because he was for this six months ago, but now he's not.
00:34:41.960 And it's the same darn thing.
00:34:45.120 But yeah, it's all about their left.
00:34:48.040 I've been telling people this underscores why the midterms are so important, because
00:34:51.240 the same mindset that says we won't vote for what we voted for before, we're going
00:34:55.640 to shut down the government, is the same mindset if they get control, we'll go after
00:35:00.420 President Trump, we'll impeach him and do all this stuff that they did in his first
00:35:04.040 term.
00:35:05.020 That's what's at stake here.
00:35:06.060 So I think the country sees this for just being ridiculous and hopefully it ends sometime
00:35:12.240 soon.
00:35:12.820 But but I like like like you, Buck, I don't know.
00:35:15.100 It may go for a while.
00:35:16.720 Jim, do you think this is related directly to Chuck Schumer being afraid of AOC and and
00:35:23.600 thinking that she might primary him in New York because he got so much.
00:35:27.540 Can I just add to Clay's question?
00:35:29.000 Yeah, I don't want to.
00:35:30.120 Is that the bigger issue or is the Obamacare subsidies and people realizing they're both
00:35:35.800 issues.
00:35:36.240 But which one do you think is driving this more?
00:35:38.620 The Schumer shutdown or the Obamacare thing?
00:35:42.040 Well, I think it's probably the former, because remember, it looks like even leader
00:35:46.480 Jeffries may get a primary in in New York City.
00:35:50.200 So I do think it's this phenomena that the hard left has control of that party.
00:35:55.700 But I think that is is driving this.
00:35:57.740 Remember, Chuck Schumer took all kinds of heat from the left, including, frankly, from
00:36:02.020 Hakeem Jeffries back in March when he when he allowed the Senate to pass the continuing
00:36:07.040 resolution.
00:36:07.840 So I think that is is certainly big.
00:36:11.260 But then they pick health care because that's the only issue they think they have.
00:36:14.680 The only thing that polling shows they might have some somewhat of an advantage if you can
00:36:19.520 trust the polls, because it wasn't going to run on, you know, letting more people in the
00:36:23.280 country like they did on border security.
00:36:24.980 They're going to run on raising people's taxes.
00:36:26.540 They're going to run on men and women's sports.
00:36:28.180 I mean, there's no other issue they really have.
00:36:30.240 So foreign policy, the president's been amazing.
00:36:33.080 So I think I think it's a combination.
00:36:34.760 But I do think it's driven primarily by the hard left and the fact that that he may get
00:36:40.000 a primary.
00:36:40.520 The Senate leader for the Democrats may get a primary.
00:36:43.340 And now there's talk of Hakeem getting one.
00:36:45.100 Hakeem Jeffries getting one as well.
00:36:46.480 So when you break all this down, I said, hey, I think they didn't want to have the shutdown
00:36:55.500 because the No Kings protest is going on, Jim.
00:36:58.300 And they didn't want to, like, bend the knee right beforehand.
00:37:01.120 Now my my sort of political antenna are up and it's suggesting maybe they are in a bigger
00:37:07.580 scrap than they anticipated with the Virginia race for governor and lieutenant governor and
00:37:13.060 attorney general and they somehow feel as if if the government is shut down, maybe left
00:37:18.760 wing voters in northern Virginia are more motivated to come out.
00:37:22.840 Do you think that's also in play here?
00:37:24.320 Because that's really doesn't make any sense that this this battle would be going on and
00:37:28.280 they would have so little at stake by and large to not be willing to keep moving along.
00:37:33.740 Yeah, that may in fact be the case.
00:37:36.040 And so we may be we may be in this till till November 5th or longer, you know, after Election
00:37:40.680 Day. But, you know, I would also just never underestimate just this fun, this phenomena
00:37:47.060 about the left hatred for President Trump.
00:37:50.360 I mean, this, you know, we've we've talked before Trump derangement syndrome is a real
00:37:55.140 thing. And these so many people on the left really have this this this phenomena going
00:38:01.200 on and they are just out in any way they think it's harmful to the president, harmful to
00:38:06.840 Republicans. Therefore, even if it's something as ridiculous as shutting down the government
00:38:11.640 because you won't vote for what you've already supported for good.
00:38:16.300 But we made this so simple. Here's the CR. It's short term.
00:38:19.900 It's what you voted on. I mean, and you can't vote for that.
00:38:24.220 Like they're saying we need to compromise. We've already did.
00:38:26.660 We've given you the bill that you support six months ago, for goodness sake.
00:38:31.420 Speaking to Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio, you all know Congressman Jordan and New York
00:38:36.300 Post certainly knows him because they've got him in a side by side here.
00:38:39.440 I see with former CIA director Brennan, because Congressman, tell us what's going on here.
00:38:46.740 There's been a referral by the House Judiciary Committee regarding ex-CIA director Brennan for
00:38:53.840 lying under oath. What's happening?
00:38:56.180 Yeah. Well, you all know you're not supposed to lie, but you're definitely not supposed to
00:39:00.120 lie when you're under oath talking to Congress. And it looks like that's exactly what John Brennan
00:39:04.160 did. And it looks like he did that because God bless Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national
00:39:09.880 intelligence, declassified a report from the House Intelligence Committee from a few years
00:39:14.540 ago. And that report says just to what Brennan told us in this deposition, he told us, oh,
00:39:19.780 I was not involved with the dossier at all during the whole Russia hoax baloney.
00:39:23.420 And I didn't want it included in the intelligence community assessment. Well, then we get to
00:39:27.620 declassify the report from from Director Gabbard. And it says just the opposite. It says, oh,
00:39:33.640 no, it warrants the dossier warrants being included in the ICA. And that means a person at the CIA
00:39:40.480 confronted the director and said, director, this dossier is garbage. It does. The underlying intelligence
00:39:46.440 is just not there. We shouldn't use it. And Brennan's response was, according to this CIA official,
00:39:51.680 yeah, but doesn't it ring true? Just demonstrating his motive, his biases, his, you know, out to get
00:39:58.700 President Trump attitude. And so, look, I don't do many of these. I've only done a few of these
00:40:03.460 referrals because I think you really got to have the evidence that they violated 18 USC 1001, which
00:40:09.040 says you can't lie to Congress and impede their investigation. But we did it with Brennan. And we
00:40:14.920 point out in the letter, this is part of the pattern with this guy, because I think he also lied to
00:40:19.540 Trey Gowdy when Trey questioned him a few years back on the same issue. And of course, the irony
00:40:24.760 was, guys, we were deposing Brennan as part of a different investigation. We were deposing him
00:40:29.900 because he was one of the 51 guys who signed the letter, the now famous letter saying the Hunter
00:40:34.440 Biden laptop was a Russian information operation when they had the FBI had the stinking laptop and
00:40:39.000 knew it wasn't. So we were deposing on that. But we get into this other Russian stuff and he lies
00:40:43.540 to us about that. And that's why we think this is this is the facts are strong. And we sent the
00:40:48.960 we sent the letter to Attorney General Bondi. We're talking to Representative Jim Jordan from the great
00:40:54.260 state of Ohio. Jim, when you look at what Trump has done, we were just up in Fort Wayne, Indiana
00:41:02.280 yesterday, Buck and I were. And I think you can make a strong argument that this is the greatest year
00:41:08.980 that we have ever seen of any president in terms of total impact, what he's been able to real wins,
00:41:15.120 not just promises. This is what we're talking to the folks about is that Trump is racking up the
00:41:18.880 scoreboard. Sorry, Clay. Yeah, no, it's exactly right. And when you look at you were there for
00:41:24.620 Trump 1.0, how much more efficient and effective do you think the first year of Trump 2.0 has been
00:41:30.620 than anything we saw Trump 1.0? What do you attribute it to? And do you sign on to that take that that
00:41:36.060 we put out there and that we've been arguing quite a bit on this show? Yeah, 100% sign on to
00:41:41.560 what you guys said. It's been an amazing nine months, frankly, just just truly amazing. I thought
00:41:47.400 his first term was amazing. But I do think this is better for a couple reasons. One, he's just
00:41:50.800 focused. He's he's been through this before. He knows how crazy the media is going to be how crazy
00:41:55.340 the left is going to be. And it's not deterring him. He's focused on the mission. Second, the people
00:41:59.660 he's put in running these key agencies are actually Trump people. The first time he had Rex Tillerson,
00:42:04.060 for goodness sake, had Jeff Sessions, for goodness sake, running, you know, state and justice.
00:42:08.260 They weren't necessarily on the team. So but the team he's put together and we deal with the
00:42:13.280 justice. I mean, Pam Bonney, Todd Blinch, Cash Patel, Dan, but these guys are good people who
00:42:18.120 are focused on doing their job the way it's supposed to be in serving the taxpayers. And
00:42:22.520 then finally, I would say this, I always say we make this job of politics way too complicated.
00:42:27.220 Very darn simple. What'd you tell the folks you were going to do when you ran for the job?
00:42:30.540 If you get elected, go do what you said. And no one has done it better than President Trump.
00:42:35.300 He said he would cut taxes. He did. He said he'd get men out of women's sports. He has. He said he
00:42:39.020 would make sure Iran doesn't get nuclear capability with the help of Israel and our great military.
00:42:43.060 He accomplished that. He said that he would secure the border for goodness sake. He accomplished that
00:42:47.360 just a few months. So on and on it goes. And he's just focused on doing what he said,
00:42:53.500 what he was elected to do. And that's what's frustrating the Democrats and why they got to like,
00:42:57.380 oh, we're going to have to shut down the government and create some crazy Obamacare issue
00:43:01.460 to, to, uh, to, to, to justify that because he is doing what he said he would do and getting
00:43:06.540 it done in just an amazing way. Congressman, um, how are we looking for the, I know it's a year out,
00:43:14.640 but because we're all focused on this upcoming election, at least in a few places, some, some
00:43:19.280 big races are happening, New York. I mean, sorry, uh, New Jersey, Virginia, well, New York,
00:43:23.520 New York city mayor. Um, how are you feeling about the Republicans chances in the house,
00:43:29.300 especially given that this administration is getting things done? The Republican party is
00:43:36.260 keeping its promises. And, you know, how do you, how do you war game that out a year from now?
00:43:41.480 I feel good. I mean, I feel like we break the trend because the trend is typically against this
00:43:45.240 when you're the party in power in the white house, helping the midterms, but I feel good because of
00:43:49.320 the record we just talked about, because we're recruiting good candidates. I do think redistricting
00:43:53.180 is going to net out in favor of us. I mean, it's happening in so many different States.
00:43:57.800 It's in the news every day. It's, it seems. And then finally, I, I, Trump has just fundamentally
00:44:02.320 changed American politics. I mean, I look at Youngstown, Ohio. I mean, you can look at our
00:44:06.800 whole state, but take Youngstown, Ohio. Youngstown, Ohio now has a Republican member of Congress
00:44:11.020 representing the city that the state senators are Republican and the, and the state reps in that
00:44:15.020 area are Republican as well. 25 years ago, this was the most Democrat area on,
00:44:18.800 on, in the state of that country, maybe. And now it's represented by Republicans because
00:44:23.680 he has fundamentally changed the party and politics. And I think truly fighting for middle
00:44:29.960 class, working class and all Americans. And I think that that message is, is, is getting
00:44:34.440 through. Good luck to the Buckeyes as the season continues. Congressman, I think they are going
00:44:42.600 to continue to roll. And I know you got Wisconsin connections too. Good, good luck to them.
00:44:46.760 Because I think they really need it. Oh man, poor Fickle. It's been tough. You got to have
00:44:50.960 a quarterback to win games. And it's just been tough for the, for the Badgers. No doubt about
00:44:54.940 it. But the Buckeyes are, as you point out, looking good. You did great on the, I caught
00:44:58.820 you earlier on this crazy NBA story. Yeah. I mean, what's your take on that? I mean, this is
00:45:04.220 like, we started off the show talking about this and obviously I was talking about it on Fox
00:45:08.840 News too. I mean, this is just all bonkers, huh? No kidding. I was joking with our media
00:45:16.460 guy. I said, makes you long for the good old days when Pete Rose only bet for the Reds
00:45:20.420 to win. Yeah. And as far as I know, was not involved with the mob. I mean, this is, this
00:45:26.960 is, uh, yeah, this is wild and throwing games that I hadn't, I haven't seen the videos, but
00:45:32.340 people tell me like there's some videos of, uh, the, the, the player. Oh, I mean, you
00:45:35.740 watch, you watch some of these plays. I mean, yeah, it, it is. It is bad. It is very bad.
00:45:42.360 Uh, Congressman, uh, Jim Jordan, keep up the good work. Uh, and, uh, we'll have you on
00:45:46.240 whenever it makes sense. All right. We'll see you guys. Take care. Congressman. Appreciate
00:45:49.580 you. Can I ask you a quick question, Clay, actually about this? Yeah. Have people tried
00:45:52.860 to make the case? Cause to me again, as a, uh, as a not, not a, you know, not somebody
00:45:58.340 who does the sports stuff, uh, professional or college a lot. Um, but if you want to bet
00:46:03.380 on your team, why is that bad? Do you know what I mean? Like if I'm a player, if I'm a
00:46:10.340 quarterback and I want to bet a million dollars that my team can win, I understand, obviously
00:46:15.100 it's fraud if you're going against your team. Cause the implication is you always want your
00:46:18.620 team to win, but do people ever make that case that there's something very different
00:46:22.680 about, I have full faith that I'm going to win this. So I'm going to put putting money
00:46:26.480 on yourself versus I'm just wondering about that. Cause yeah. Well, the concern is I didn't
00:46:30.320 know that you lose. Yeah. Pete Rose did that you lose and eventually you end up having to
00:46:35.420 pay back the money. So it just puts you out of whack now to be fair. Boxers do it all the
00:46:42.220 time. Boxers in Vegas have gone in and said, Hey, I'm going to put, I think Floyd Mayweather
00:46:48.860 did it. I'm going to put a million dollars down on me to win. Like I'm going to walk into
00:46:53.200 a casino. So certain leagues prohibited as part of player contracts. So there are carve
00:46:59.340 outs for that. Cause that feels very different. It's usually has to be an individual athlete.
00:47:03.340 So some boxers have bet on themselves. Now, obviously you can't bet against yourself. I
00:47:07.260 mean, that would raise a lot of red flags, uh, as a fraud, but yeah, some boxers have
00:47:11.980 gone for, I think some UFC fighters, uh, in the past or mixed martial arts fighters, if
00:47:16.740 not UFC in particular, a lot of the contracts as a part of the players association, um, do not
00:47:22.500 allow you to gamble on any sport. Uh, sometimes they'll allow you to do casino table wagering,
00:47:28.920 but there's always been the fear that you end up in debt. And then as a way to pay back
00:47:34.400 the debt, you could give it away that if you really want to dive into the particulars of,
00:47:39.620 you know, sports gambling and, uh, refs have always been the ones that seem particularly
00:47:45.260 susceptible, right? So referees, because they don't make as much money. Most of us box set
00:47:51.960 around and said, you know, a guy making $26 million is never going to be dumb enough to
00:47:58.560 risk it all for $200,000. Right now that's the allegation against Terry Rozier in the NBA,
00:48:05.560 but we would sometimes sit around and say, you know, if you're an official and you make
00:48:09.020 120 K 10 grand or five grand to you is a lot more than to an average athlete. Um, and, uh,
00:48:16.820 and so that's always been like the area that I thought was susceptible, but again,
00:48:20.540 the bright lights of regulation theoretically would allow you to get caught called. And obviously
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00:50:25.460 Thank you for being here with us. We always appreciate getting to hang out with all of you
00:50:29.980 across this great land of ours. We had just in the last hour, we pulled the highlight from our friend
00:50:37.280 Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary, addressing a whole range of issues, including the
00:50:43.220 government shutdown, the White House ballroom building of the building of the ballroom or the
00:50:51.000 ballroom building. And then we've also got for you the New York City mayor's race. There was a
00:50:57.480 debate, a second mayoral debate last night. Team, let me know. We've asked Mr. Slewa to come on. Do
00:51:04.180 we have a day yet for when he's going to come on and talk and explain to everybody? Not yet. All
00:51:09.560 right. It's a little busy. I get a lot of days left to point out. It's a big radio show, though.
00:51:15.180 So it's a big radio show. I just a lot of people listening. I just putting that out there. So maybe
00:51:20.580 maybe be good for him to come and talk to us for a few minutes. Anyway, that's fine. But we have
00:51:25.600 invited him. We've invited Cuomo as well. We'll see if he wants to join. Probably not. But we're
00:51:31.900 trying. We're putting out the ask. In the meantime, Clay, Democratic House whip Catherine Clark.
00:51:38.240 She is now famous. This goes to the shutdown issue. So we'll come back to New York in a minute.
00:51:42.180 We got a whole country we got to talk about as well. This shutdown is starting to feel
00:51:46.940 like it's going to have some nasty consequences for some people. I mean, there's going to be
00:51:53.240 some paychecks missed. I understand people will be getting back pay. But, you know, it's
00:51:59.120 easy to say when you're not living paycheck to paycheck. I get it. There's stress there.
00:52:02.300 There's stress there. Here is the Democrat House whip, though, Catherine Clark, who is saying
00:52:08.520 you said this was an interview in the Chad Pergram program. Who is that? Do we know who
00:52:15.160 that is? I know. I know he's a Fox guy, right? Oh, he's a Fox guy. Yeah. They said this to
00:52:21.840 a Fox guy. Yeah. OK. Interesting. Here she is interview with Chad Pergram. And here is how
00:52:28.720 it went. Play 11. I mean, shutdowns are terrible. And of course, there will be, you know, families
00:52:36.120 that are going to suffer. We take that responsibility very seriously. But it is one of
00:52:42.600 the few leveraged times we have. I don't think that's what you want to say out loud here. And
00:52:50.680 Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, certainly jumped on this one. Play cut 12.
00:52:57.120 The second highest ranked House Democrat in leadership, whip Catherine Clark, admitted
00:53:01.700 they admitted openly that they have shut the government down and that they are using hard
00:53:06.020 working American families as leverage. For what? So that they can show a fight against
00:53:10.140 Trump and also so that they can restore 200 billion dollars in free health care paid for
00:53:15.700 by U.S. taxpayers to illegal aliens. Yes, that's in their bill. And it's just part of the
00:53:20.180 1.5 trillion dollars that they have demanded to spend. We're not going to do that. They
00:53:24.360 know we're not going to do that. And she said in her own words today, quote, we know that
00:53:28.540 families will suffer. But this is only one of only the leverage times that we have. She
00:53:33.080 said that in her own words. And it was pretty shocking today to hear them say that. They
00:53:37.260 usually don't say the quiet parts out loud. Clay, Democrats are throwing a tantrum and
00:53:41.580 people are suffering. They're the ones taking the hostages here. Fuck, I got a theory. It's
00:53:45.780 not going to make you happy. New York City is screwing everybody in every direction. It's
00:53:50.900 all interconnected. Hakeem Jeffries is worried that Mom Donnie's top eight is going to challenge
00:53:56.400 him in his house district in the New York City area. Chuck Schumer is terrified that
00:54:02.160 AOC is going to challenge him in the 2028 Senate primary in New York. And also Mom Donnie is
00:54:10.700 about to destroy the entire fabric of New York City if he is elected mayor. What seems to be
00:54:17.220 a large national issue is actually when you go back and dial in and analyze where the motivation
00:54:23.640 for everyone that is in a significant position of power's actions, where those motivations for
00:54:28.420 those actions come from. It's Hakeem Jeffries terrified of a further left-wing congressman
00:54:33.800 taking his seat in New York City. It's Chuck Schumer terrified of a further left-wing Senate
00:54:39.000 candidate, primarily AOC, taking his seat in New York State. And it is Mom Donnie, far left-wing,
00:54:45.900 having put the fear of God into Hakeem Jeffries and into Chuck Schumer because he triumphed in the
00:54:51.740 Democrat New York City mayoral primary over Andrew Cuomo, the old, more established, more
00:54:57.540 moderate, if still moronic voice of Democrat politics. In other words, all of this is a direct
00:55:04.660 result of the surprise upset victory of Mom Donnie in New York City, which made Jeffries and
00:55:10.520 Schumer both think, uh-oh, we might get Cuomo'd. Do you buy it? I think it's all connected.
00:55:16.000 I was very interested to hear from Jim Jordan that he thinks that the political calculations
00:55:24.280 within the Democrat Party are a bigger thing than even the massive Obamacare subsidies that they need
00:55:32.040 or else the price of people's health care in a lot of cases is going to go way up because Obamacare
00:55:38.960 is a disaster. But never underestimate the politicians of the left and their ability
00:55:47.300 to make it all about them. All about them. Chuck Schumer, what would Chuck Schumer be willing to do
00:55:53.620 to make sure that he stays in the game and stays in the Senate? Whatever he can do. I think that is
00:55:59.500 true. Yeah, whatever it takes. I think they looked at Cuomo and they said, wait a minute,
00:56:03.960 he had all the resources of the Democrat Party. This guy Mom Donnie came out of nowhere running
00:56:10.140 far to the left of Cuomo, a name that has been a legacy institution for two generations,
00:56:17.780 two and a half generations in New York City. Everybody knows the name Cuomo and Cuomo got
00:56:23.000 steamrolled by Mom Donnie. And I think Hakeem Jeffries looked over his shoulder and said,
00:56:27.440 uh-oh, whatever that guy's name is, that's Mom Donnie's top assistant that's threatened to run
00:56:32.000 against him is going to beat me. They've already seen AOC out of nowhere win a primary in New York
00:56:38.060 against a longtime congressman. So Chuck Schumer's had her on the radar for a long time and been afraid
00:56:42.980 of her, I think. And so all of this decision making on a national scale comes down to, look,
00:56:48.720 it probably doesn't make sense that the Democrat Party's top House leader and top Senate leader are
00:56:53.820 both from the same city. America's kind of a big place. I understand New York City is a significant
00:56:58.360 part of America, but it shouldn't necessarily be the entire cultural firmament of the Democrat
00:57:05.640 Party. But that's where we are right now with Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer just living
00:57:09.300 within a couple of miles of each other in the New York City area. So I think this is all rooted to
00:57:14.680 fear provoked by Mom Donnie. And remember, unless I'm wrong, Buck, neither Schumer nor Hakeem Jeffries
00:57:20.700 have yet endorsed Mom Donnie in the New York City mayor's race, despite the fact that he's the Democrat
00:57:26.440 nominee, which is kind of wild. I believe Kathy Hochul did. But she's a moron, as we all know.
00:57:31.960 But but I believe Kathy Hochul has endorsed Mom Donnie. I think she's the only statewide big,
00:57:38.380 powerful person to have done so in the state of New York so far.
00:57:42.700 Since we're talking a little Mom Donnie here. Well, actually, first, let's go to this.
00:57:47.960 This from Curtis Lee. Well, this got a lot of attention. Curtis is he's making waves and making
00:57:54.220 noise for sure up there on the debate stage. It's not not unusual. He is. Well, you know what?
00:58:00.780 I'm just going to let I'm just going to let Curtis speak for Curtis here. This is from the second
00:58:03.800 mayoral debate last night. Cut nine. Hit it. It's us versus them. It's us versus the insiders and the
00:58:11.640 billionaires. It's us versus Cuomo. It's us versus Zorhan. This is a campaign not about power.
00:58:19.400 This is a campaign about you, the people. And I know many of you hardworking New Yorkers.
00:58:25.440 You tell me you've been pushed aside. You've been silenced. These are the people that have
00:58:30.140 all the money, all the connections. They made their backroom deals. But we have something more
00:58:35.060 important. We have you, the people. And we're not going to be silenced anymore. We're going to fight
00:58:42.100 tonight. I want you to look at the content of my policies to know that I've served this city
00:58:47.720 for more than 50 years, the city that I love. And I'm going to share with you my vision
00:58:53.120 to make New York City safer again, to make New York City more affordable again, and where
00:58:59.040 everybody once again can live the American dream.
00:59:03.960 It's a good speech. He's not going to be mayor.
00:59:06.620 He is by far the best option. I'm not arguing with anybody out there that's a diehard Curtis
00:59:12.380 Sliwa fan that if you or I had a magic wand and we could pick the same person of the trio
00:59:17.220 still alive in this primary to be nominated, it would be Sliwa. Problem is Sliwa stays in
00:59:22.940 the race. He's going to guarantee that Momdani wins. Eric Adams saw it. Eric Adams is a current
00:59:28.920 mayor. He stepped out and he endorsed Andrew Cuomo. They were courtside at the Knicks last
00:59:34.280 night. And I just, I don't, again, we got the invite out to Curtis Sliwa. It's not that
00:59:41.860 I disagree with what he's saying. It's that he cannot win. And if he can't win, then unless
00:59:47.120 he prefers Momdani over Cuomo, and maybe he does, I will ask him direct if he comes on
00:59:51.260 the program, then he is making a decision that is going to put Momdani into the mayor's office.
00:59:57.700 Maybe he thinks Momdani is going to win no matter what, which is certainly...
01:00:00.580 Well, there's a possibility of that, too. Certainly something that we could look at and say, well,
01:00:06.920 might factor into his calculations there. But since we're talking a little Momdani, this
01:00:13.000 was a moment from the debate where Cuomo and Sliwa tag-teamed the commie who, in classic
01:00:21.020 commie fashion, won't tell you what he really wants to do until it's too late and he already
01:00:27.960 has power. This is about ballot initiatives, which is very straightforward. People vote on
01:00:32.740 a ballot initiative. Yes or no? Yes or no? Do you want this? Momdani is like, I don't know about
01:00:37.840 these ballot initiatives. Listen to Cut 10. There was reference to the three housing-related
01:00:42.340 charter amendment questions. I know Mr. Cuomo is on the record as saying he favors them. We just
01:00:47.040 heard Mr. Sliwa say that. He's against them. Where do you stand on those? I'm appreciative that
01:00:51.960 those measures will be on the ballot and that New Yorkers will be able to cast their votes for them.
01:00:55.840 I know that we desperately need to build more housing in this city. And I also know that
01:00:59.960 the jobs we create in the building of that housing should be good jobs as well.
01:01:03.620 What is your opinion, Zoran? Yes or no? Come on. Yes or no? What is your opinion? Yes or no, Zoran?
01:01:13.760 True. Don't be a politician here. I got it. I got it. They're pointing out what I was about to
01:01:19.540 the bank. Please answer the question. I think on this stage you can see two people appealing
01:01:24.480 for the Republican Party's votes and myself. Answer the question. Answer the question for
01:01:29.960 once. My question to you was, do you support the three ballot amendment questions? I have
01:01:35.940 not yet taken a position on those ballot amendment questions. What a shocker. What a shocker.
01:01:42.120 Once he takes it, he'll change it anyway. What a shocker, Clay. What do you think?
01:01:48.900 Look, I think it is almost impossible to know what Mom Donnie is going to do because he's never
01:01:56.200 actually done anything of substance. He is an incredibly articulate, glib, smiley, glad handling
01:02:05.400 politician who is very good at social media and he's good at motivating young people. But unlike Andrew
01:02:11.520 Cuomo, for better or worse, who has a lifelong record of things he stood for and done, and
01:02:15.800 unlike Curtis Lewa, who has the same, Mom Donnie is an articulate shadow. I mean, he just, he
01:02:24.260 hasn't actually done anything, which is why the best thing I can say for Mom Donnie is just
01:02:28.660 he's going to get into office and not do any of the things that he said he was going to do
01:02:33.540 to get into office. And that's not ideal when you're a politician. The whole purpose of
01:02:37.940 being a politician is to tell people what you'll do with power. I think it's possible
01:02:42.140 Mom Donnie will get power and not be remotely what Mom Donnie to get power said Mom Donnie
01:02:47.860 would be. Does that make sense that he's the opposite of a transactional politician? And
01:02:52.720 he's actually just a politician who wants to get into office and likes the power, but isn't
01:02:57.880 really necessarily going to use it to try and do the things that he claimed he was. That's
01:03:03.540 the best. I just think, yeah, I just think it's funny that he's savvy at Mom Donnie is
01:03:08.580 savvy enough to know, stay a cipher as much as you can on some of this stuff, because
01:03:13.940 he's in the number one seat and no need for him to make any waves by taking any positions.
01:03:23.040 And remember, Democrats, there's a long history, well, at least a long and recent history
01:03:29.460 of Democrats knowing what the person they're voting for really thinks and approving of
01:03:36.300 it when they say what they have to say to get elected. Perfect example. This was Barack
01:03:40.940 Obama on gay marriage when he ran in 2008. They they knew that. Remember, it had just lost
01:03:47.220 Prop eight had lost in California. And then the court overturned that Barack Obama was going
01:03:53.800 to make, you know, rather Barack Obama was given a pass on his gay marriage position because it was
01:04:00.120 believed that that was by the Democrats, that that was what he had to say in order to become
01:04:04.700 or part of what he had to say in order to become president. I think Mom Donnie gets the same leeway
01:04:09.140 from the commies. And I think that's true. Remember also how the gay marriage pivot happened
01:04:15.800 for Democrats? Joe Biden went on and said it before Obama. Do you remember that? It was Joe Biden in
01:04:23.180 some random Today Show interview, I think, suddenly decided that he was going to come out in favor of
01:04:27.800 gay marriage after not having supported it for 30 years or whatever of his political career.
01:04:33.480 And the Obama team was furious because they said this was going to be our big initiative. This was
01:04:40.260 going to be a big statement that the president was going to make. And then, Joe, you stepped all over
01:04:44.700 it and made it look like Obama was following you as opposed to being the leader. Look, we'll talk
01:04:51.180 more about this. We'll take some of your calls. I was in New York earlier this week to moderate and
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