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00:00:40.720 Welcome in, everybody, to the Tuesday edition

00:00:43.360 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show,

00:00:45.840 coming to you live from NYC.

00:00:49.200 We're here in New York City.

00:00:51.140 Clay has quite a bout this afternoon.

00:00:54.420 Indeed.

00:00:54.840 Mr. Stephen A. Smith, they are going to be having a debate.

00:01:00.120 And as we know, we will not step back from debates these days.

00:01:03.760 We will not, in any way, in any way,

00:01:08.200 seed the fields to the other side.

00:01:10.500 Although I think you guys are going to have a pretty cordial,

00:01:13.420 but feisty exchange.

00:01:14.880 But we've got a lot of news to dive into here.

00:01:17.800 And we've got updates.

00:01:19.500 Well, first of all, Trump is leaving for the U.K.,

00:01:23.480 so we've got some sound from the president himself on a whole range of things.

00:01:28.500 Ukraine, talking about Pam Bondi, a deal on TikTok, which I am excited about.

00:01:35.480 I have been the only, I'm going to say this,

00:01:37.940 I'm the only consistent conservative, I think, on TikTok of the last few years,

00:01:41.480 where I'm just like, I like it.

00:01:42.520 We shouldn't get rid of it.

00:01:43.620 Now everybody likes it.

00:01:44.840 Now all of a sudden it's fine.

00:01:46.380 Trump likes it.

00:01:47.120 Everybody likes it.

00:01:48.780 Because there's ways to make it not.

00:01:51.000 Now I know you were saying all along,

00:01:52.240 well, as long as it's not a Chinese-controlled spying operation,

00:01:57.460 then you like it too.

00:01:58.980 But I've just been waiting for this moment when there's a deal on TikTok.

00:02:02.440 It looks like there is.

00:02:04.120 Trump also spoke on Gaza.

00:02:06.180 J.D. Vance with some incredibly powerful comments

00:02:09.680 about the people calling for unity right now with the radical left.

00:02:14.960 I think J.D., he was guest hosting Charlie Kirk's show yesterday.

00:02:18.720 I think J.D. absolutely nailed it.

00:02:22.140 He's a very impressive guy, a very eloquent speaker in his own right.

00:02:27.780 And so we'll get into that.

00:02:28.680 More on the Memphis crime crackdown that may be coming.

00:02:33.420 And then perhaps, Clay, because we're in New York City,

00:02:35.940 the New York City mayoral race,

00:02:37.540 which I'm sad for our New York City-based staff

00:02:39.840 because it is my belief that the mayor is going to be Mamdani.

00:02:44.680 And it is almost a sure thing at this point,

00:02:46.640 which is pretty stunning, pretty outrageous.

00:02:50.980 But let's dive into a few things here.

00:02:53.900 You know, I actually want to start with this.

00:02:56.360 So this is kind of a longer clip because I wanted you to hear the whole thing.

00:02:59.220 But J.D. Vance, when he was guest hosting the Charlie Kirk program yesterday,

00:03:04.320 J.D. Vance talking about this,

00:03:08.440 because here's what I think is very frustrating for me, for you, Clay,

00:03:11.200 for a lot of people right now.

00:03:13.600 You had Charlie who was doing debate, discussion,

00:03:19.020 created a marketplace of ideas, a forum for ideas,

00:03:22.480 and he was assassinated.

00:03:24.240 And now you have all these people who are saying,

00:03:27.040 well, we just need a marketplace of ideas.

00:03:30.500 Or, you know, we just need to tone things down and get a new exchange.

00:03:34.740 Well, hold on a second.

00:03:35.780 We were doing that.

00:03:37.420 It's the other side that was not doing that

00:03:39.620 and is not willing to do it even still.

00:03:42.700 Here is J.D. Vance.

00:03:44.000 This is cut nine with something I just think you all really need to hear.

00:03:48.020 There is no unity with people who scream at children

00:03:51.380 over their parents' politics.

00:03:52.860 There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said

00:03:57.120 in order to excuse his murder.

00:03:59.400 There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family

00:04:02.820 the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend.

00:04:07.040 There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:04:12.080 And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles,

00:04:15.880 who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers,

00:04:18.560 who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father,

00:04:22.820 deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.

00:04:29.320 Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation

00:04:32.980 and the Ford Foundation,

00:04:34.660 the groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death,

00:04:38.840 do you know they benefit from generous tax treatment?

00:04:41.720 They are literally subsidized by you and me,

00:04:45.220 the American taxpayer.

00:04:47.060 And how do they reward us?

00:04:48.400 By setting fire to the house built by the American family over 250 years.

00:04:53.740 I'm desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions

00:04:58.820 and the ideas that killed my friend.

00:05:00.660 And I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth.

00:05:04.820 We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable.

00:05:10.440 And when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.

00:05:18.220 I think, Clay, he absolutely nails it.

00:05:19.820 But also the both sidesism has switched from both sides to political violence

00:05:25.300 to both sides need to calm down and look for unity.

00:05:29.320 No, it's this, this both sides thing is not going to fly.

00:05:32.460 I just can't get past the fact that we have an entire base of the left wing

00:05:42.680 that has celebrated this assassination.

00:05:46.120 There's always going to be crazy people.

00:05:48.800 There's always going to be lunatics.

00:05:51.320 But the idea that huge portions of the Democrat base

00:05:57.260 have taken to social media

00:05:59.420 have exalted across the entire internet in this assassination.

00:06:05.720 I mentioned last week,

00:06:06.960 I bet almost every single one of you

00:06:10.200 has someone in your larger friend or family network

00:06:14.880 who if you go on Facebook,

00:06:17.160 you have seen somebody

00:06:18.920 and kind of been in disbelief that it could be happening.

00:06:22.840 And that's the part, Buck, that I can't get over,

00:06:26.020 that I can't get past.

00:06:27.300 And frankly, that I think is the most indefensible aspect of this at all.

00:06:33.040 And I just, I mean, just play along with me on this, in this world.

00:06:39.000 If Barack Obama had had an ear clipped

00:06:41.600 by a bullet fired by a would-be assassin,

00:06:44.520 if a month later somebody else had tried to kill him,

00:06:48.540 and then in the same roughly year period, 14 months,

00:06:52.720 the top, one of the top advocates for Barack Obama

00:06:55.600 had been assassinated at a free speech event,

00:06:58.420 is there any way at all that the left would be saying,

00:07:02.540 hey, we need for everybody to tone down the political violence?

00:07:07.240 And then you toss in all of the blue sky celebrations,

00:07:10.900 all of the Twitter celebrations.

00:07:12.360 They are banning people on Reddit

00:07:14.500 for condemning the assassination.

00:07:18.080 Let me repeat that.

00:07:19.260 On some of these forums that are moderated on Reddit,

00:07:22.500 they are actually banning posters

00:07:24.640 who are condemning the assassination.

00:07:27.960 Remember what happened after January 6th?

00:07:30.160 They wouldn't let Trump have an Etsy account

00:07:33.060 or have a, what's the thing where they do,

00:07:36.100 like the poster boards and-

00:07:37.820 Pinterest.

00:07:38.260 Pinterest.

00:07:38.740 Yeah.

00:07:38.920 They banned him on every social media platform.

00:07:42.800 They shut him down on Twitter, on Facebook,

00:07:45.200 on all the Instagram, all the big ones.

00:07:46.960 Many of you out there, they restrict it as well.

00:07:50.060 I don't believe in free speech restrictions,

00:07:52.880 but just look at how the left responded to Jan 6th,

00:07:56.840 condemning wholeheartedly huge swaths of America

00:08:00.240 as violent extremists.

00:08:03.160 And now after they engage in violent extremism,

00:08:07.400 the topic is, oh, we've got to tone down the violence.

00:08:10.320 Well, actually, why don't you address your own house

00:08:13.580 and the fact that this is the logical consequence

00:08:16.220 of calling a man Hitler and all of his supporters Nazis

00:08:19.340 for a decade.

00:08:20.400 This guy wrote anti-Nazi slogans,

00:08:24.120 anti-fascist slogans,

00:08:25.820 pro-trans slogans on the bullets that he used

00:08:28.860 to kill Charlie Kirk,

00:08:30.680 the casings.

00:08:31.440 I'm sorry.

00:08:32.020 I'm not willing to say

00:08:33.900 we have a mutuality of violence issues here.

00:08:37.740 The left is uniquely right now

00:08:40.120 violent and driven by the rhetoric

00:08:43.120 of the Democrat Party.

00:08:44.500 No one out there is calling Mom Donnie Hitler.

00:08:49.720 Nobody is calling Chuck Schumer or Kamala Harris

00:08:53.520 or any of the leaders of the Democrat Party.

00:08:56.060 Morons, yes.

00:08:57.380 Bad faith arguers, yes.

00:08:59.420 But that is focused on what they're saying,

00:09:01.580 not them as individuals.

00:09:03.220 When you say that someone is a violent extremist threat,

00:09:06.720 you can't then say,

00:09:08.140 but we condemn the acts that are done

00:09:10.420 to undertake to try to remove a violent extremist.

00:09:13.200 This is just BS.

00:09:14.720 Yeah, well, they've been making the case,

00:09:16.300 the Democrats have been making the case for years now

00:09:18.340 that Trump, Trumpism, MAGA

00:09:20.700 are a clear and present danger to the Republic,

00:09:24.060 are the end of democracy,

00:09:26.760 the jokes that are made about Trump 2028,

00:09:30.740 they take very seriously

00:09:32.600 and they completely lose their minds over it.

00:09:34.920 And I think that finally what we've seen is,

00:09:38.800 you know, people refer to normies,

00:09:40.200 you know, the people who aren't really

00:09:41.920 that involved in politics day to day.

00:09:44.540 They, with the response to what happened

00:09:47.960 to the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk,

00:09:50.880 they are seeing this and coming away

00:09:52.700 with the conclusion,

00:09:54.240 you know, if you're a fair-minded person,

00:09:56.060 you're just observing,

00:09:57.320 there's something really wrong

00:09:58.740 with the left in this country

00:10:00.460 and the Democrat Party

00:10:01.920 is the vessel of the left.

00:10:04.360 The left really controls it.

00:10:05.680 After Trump was nearly killed,

00:10:07.160 we came on this show and we said,

00:10:08.880 is the left going to dial down

00:10:10.980 the rhetoric and the temperature?

00:10:12.760 And within a couple of months,

00:10:14.120 the answer was no.

00:10:15.120 They were right back to Trump as Hitler,

00:10:17.620 Trump as a fascist,

00:10:19.060 democracy is going to end

00:10:20.400 if Trump is elected president,

00:10:21.780 there's not going to be an election in 2026,

00:10:24.320 there's not going to be an election in 2028.

00:10:26.680 They went right back to the same arguments

00:10:28.280 they were making that I believe

00:10:29.460 motivated the assassination attempts.

00:10:31.600 My concern is now that Charlie Kirk

00:10:33.080 has actually been assassinated.

00:10:35.120 Instead of dialing the temperature down,

00:10:38.260 I think the temperature

00:10:39.000 has gotten escalated even more.

00:10:40.480 Well, there are people,

00:10:41.280 there are streamers,

00:10:42.800 you know, there's this whole world

00:10:44.400 of internet activity

00:10:47.600 that quite honestly is like

00:10:49.840 people 30 and below,

00:10:51.640 that even you and I

00:10:52.980 who are internet native

00:10:54.260 in the sense that we both start,

00:10:55.420 like I started doing digital radio

00:10:58.160 before I was even doing terrestrial radio,

00:11:00.040 right?

00:11:00.400 And I know I worked for a website

00:11:01.680 and you started a website.

00:11:03.640 We understand the internet.

00:11:05.080 We're not old guys that are like,

00:11:06.540 what's the dot-com thing?

00:11:07.880 Right, exactly.

00:11:08.740 We're not running around

00:11:10.100 with our AOL emails.

00:11:11.280 Just kidding.

00:11:11.780 Some of you, I know.

00:11:12.940 My mom has an AOL email.

00:11:14.420 Don't worry.

00:11:14.860 They're still cool.

00:11:16.380 But there are corners of the internet,

00:11:20.180 Discord, Reddit,

00:11:21.820 that have become clearly centers

00:11:26.480 of left-wing radicalization

00:11:28.220 on some of these issues

00:11:29.340 where people are encouraging each other

00:11:30.920 and sharing certain things.

00:11:32.520 And it's just interesting to me as well, Clay,

00:11:33.860 that during the Biden administration,

00:11:35.300 we recall there was

00:11:36.880 the disinformation czar position

00:11:39.180 that they tried to,

00:11:39.940 and that they used...

00:11:42.080 Nina Jankiewicz,

00:11:43.260 was that her name?

00:11:44.060 Yeah.

00:11:44.860 Yeah.

00:11:45.320 Soviet Mary Poppins,

00:11:46.340 remember?

00:11:46.780 Yeah.

00:11:46.920 The efforts to shut down

00:11:50.560 disfavored speech,

00:11:52.100 you mentioned what they did to Trump.

00:11:53.360 I mean, they did this to an actual president.

00:11:54.860 Yes.

00:11:55.080 They kicked him off of social media platforms.

00:11:56.120 While he was in office,

00:11:57.280 they would not allow him to communicate.

00:11:58.680 So I also think that there is a...

00:12:02.000 there's not really a willingness

00:12:03.740 to have rules in place

00:12:07.200 for how our side conducts itself

00:12:09.420 to try to get accountability

00:12:10.500 that will always just be used against it.

00:12:13.360 I'm reminded of the quote

00:12:16.340 from Children of Dune,

00:12:18.100 which is not the original Dune,

00:12:19.440 but it's one of the follow-ons.

00:12:20.760 I think it's Frank Herbert.

00:12:22.200 It's,

00:12:22.280 when I am weak,

00:12:24.360 I demand freedom

00:12:26.460 because it is according to your rules.

00:12:28.060 When I am strong,

00:12:28.840 I demand obedience

00:12:29.600 because it is according to my rules.

00:12:31.160 That's roughly the quote.

00:12:32.740 And that's really the way

00:12:33.980 that the Democrats operate

00:12:35.040 with all this stuff.

00:12:36.320 It's,

00:12:36.960 when they can get away with it,

00:12:38.220 they censor,

00:12:39.020 they shut you down,

00:12:39.740 they do all of this.

00:12:40.780 But when they've reached a point

00:12:42.180 where they've gone way too far

00:12:44.060 and clearly there's a problem,

00:12:45.720 they start saying,

00:12:46.880 oh, it's on all sides

00:12:48.280 and we need to just turn down

00:12:49.560 the temperature

00:12:50.140 and,

00:12:50.700 oh my gosh,

00:12:51.820 you're censoring people.

00:12:53.500 I mean,

00:12:53.860 censoring people.

00:12:55.620 Here,

00:12:55.940 J.D.,

00:12:56.320 this is 14.

00:12:57.640 J.D. went,

00:12:58.260 was straight up said,

00:12:59.100 people celebrating

00:12:59.900 Charlie Kirk's murder

00:13:00.880 should have their employers called.

00:13:02.260 So this is from the vice president.

00:13:03.280 Play 10.

00:13:03.880 America deserved 9-11, dude.

00:13:08.400 What?

00:13:10.180 So when you see someone

00:13:11.380 celebrating Charlie's murder,

00:13:13.280 call them out.

00:13:14.080 In hell.

00:13:14.740 Call their employer.

00:13:16.020 We don't believe

00:13:16.620 in political violence,

00:13:17.640 but we do believe

00:13:18.700 in civility.

00:13:20.180 And there is no civility

00:13:21.200 in the celebration

00:13:22.180 of political assassination.

00:13:25.880 Anyway,

00:13:26.740 so,

00:13:27.580 yeah,

00:13:27.880 the reality here

00:13:29.780 is the employers

00:13:31.820 being called Clay,

00:13:33.760 Democrats were fine

00:13:34.780 with people being

00:13:35.820 fired

00:13:37.720 for hand gestures

00:13:39.660 that meant nothing.

00:13:40.660 Democrats were fine.

00:13:41.560 Like,

00:13:41.800 we've gone through

00:13:42.760 all of this

00:13:43.360 and basically,

00:13:43.960 now that they don't have

00:13:45.200 the power,

00:13:46.380 now that they don't have

00:13:47.840 the power to do

00:13:49.460 what they want to do

00:13:50.260 anymore,

00:13:50.640 there's a problem.

00:13:51.660 I think,

00:13:52.920 again,

00:13:53.320 we'll get into this,

00:13:54.980 but they're panicked

00:13:56.440 a little bit

00:13:57.220 because they recognize

00:13:59.460 the ones that are

00:14:00.560 intelligent enough

00:14:01.380 that they have

00:14:01.940 a toxic,

00:14:02.900 violent culture

00:14:03.840 on the left

00:14:04.580 that they have created,

00:14:05.580 and they're trying

00:14:06.780 to still argue

00:14:07.740 that this assassin

00:14:09.640 was motivated

00:14:10.560 by right-wing politics.

00:14:13.080 And in fact,

00:14:13.560 it's working.

00:14:14.100 We should get into this.

00:14:14.880 There's polling out there

00:14:16.120 that suggests,

00:14:16.800 again,

00:14:17.000 you guys know

00:14:17.860 because we try

00:14:18.880 to be honest with you

00:14:19.640 and share the full

00:14:20.480 scope of stories,

00:14:22.120 you understand

00:14:22.760 what all the data reflects,

00:14:24.040 what all the evidence

00:14:24.820 is marshaled

00:14:25.580 that this was

00:14:26.300 a crazy left-winger.

00:14:28.360 A lot of Democrats

00:14:29.560 actually believe

00:14:31.120 that this was

00:14:32.100 a Republican

00:14:32.900 that assassinated

00:14:34.840 Charlie Kirk.

00:14:36.040 Their lies actually

00:14:37.280 have cogency

00:14:38.200 and success.

00:14:39.300 We'll dive into that

00:14:39.900 a little bit here

00:14:40.440 in a minute,

00:14:41.160 but it was nearly

00:14:41.860 two years ago.

00:14:42.640 Terrorists murdered

00:14:43.320 more than 1,200

00:14:44.220 innocent Israelis

00:14:45.480 took 250 hostages.

00:14:47.900 Today,

00:14:48.260 it seems as if

00:14:48.880 the cries of those

00:14:49.660 we lost

00:14:50.180 and their families

00:14:50.840 have been drowned out

00:14:51.780 by shouts

00:14:52.460 of anti-Semitic hatred.

00:14:54.420 It's almost as if

00:14:55.620 the most brutal attack

00:14:56.640 on Jewish people

00:14:57.400 since the Holocaust

00:14:58.240 has been completely forgotten.

00:15:00.000 As the world looks away,

00:15:01.360 a light shines

00:15:02.280 in the darkness,

00:15:03.200 a movement of love

00:15:04.320 and support

00:15:04.920 for the people of Israel

00:15:05.960 called Flags of Fellowship.

00:15:08.060 It's organized

00:15:08.600 by the International Fellowship

00:15:10.220 of Christians and Jews.

00:15:11.760 And on Sunday,

00:15:12.640 October 5th,

00:15:13.540 just a few weeks away,

00:15:15.220 millions across America

00:15:16.420 will plant an Israeli flag

00:15:18.220 in honor and solidarity

00:15:19.620 with the victims

00:15:20.740 of October 7th,

00:15:22.280 2023

00:15:22.800 and their grieving families.

00:15:25.320 You can be a part

00:15:26.080 of this movement, too.

00:15:26.900 To get more information

00:15:27.760 about how you can join

00:15:29.000 the Flags of Fellowship movement,

00:15:30.840 visit the Fellowship online

00:15:32.520 at ifcj.org.

00:15:35.100 That's ifcj.org.

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00:16:19.800 We had mentioned

00:16:21.380 that President Trump

00:16:22.540 was talking to reporters

00:16:23.360 this morning.

00:16:24.220 He is leaving

00:16:24.940 for the United Kingdom.

00:16:27.060 He spoke about

00:16:27.580 a whole range of issues.

00:16:30.180 Wanted to bring you

00:16:30.780 up to speed on that.

00:16:31.640 Also, we've got some updates

00:16:32.540 from FBI Director Patel.

00:16:35.660 He's been making the rounds

00:16:36.820 on Fox News

00:16:37.700 talking about the status

00:16:38.760 of the investigation.

00:16:41.320 But first up here,

00:16:42.720 we have,

00:16:43.900 we've got a whole range

00:16:44.900 of Trump stuff.

00:16:46.060 I'll start here

00:16:46.640 with Pam Bondi.

00:16:47.680 Now, Pam Bondi's gotten

00:16:49.100 a little bit of pushback

00:16:50.840 from people even on the right

00:16:52.660 over some comments

00:16:54.100 that she made.

00:16:54.860 Do we have, team,

00:16:55.880 do we have that

00:16:56.380 where she says

00:16:57.040 we're going to go

00:16:57.540 after hate speech?

00:16:58.880 This got,

00:16:59.340 she was on the,

00:17:00.000 Stephen Miller's

00:17:03.120 wife's podcast.

00:17:04.940 Katie.

00:17:05.320 Katie, thank you.

00:17:06.400 And it was on that podcast.

00:17:08.260 Yeah, we have that here.

00:17:09.100 Play, play,

00:17:10.400 play what she said

00:17:11.460 on the podcast.

00:17:12.360 There's free speech

00:17:13.160 and then there's hate speech.

00:17:14.780 And there is no place,

00:17:17.180 especially now,

00:17:18.240 especially after what happened

00:17:19.380 to Charlie

00:17:19.960 in our society.

00:17:20.940 Do you see more law enforcement

00:17:24.160 going after these groups

00:17:25.880 who are using hate speech

00:17:27.240 and putting cuffs on people

00:17:28.620 so we show them

00:17:29.700 that some action

00:17:30.560 is better than no action?

00:17:32.040 We will absolutely target you,

00:17:35.040 go after you,

00:17:36.160 if you are targeting anyone

00:17:38.460 with hate speech,

00:17:40.280 anything.

00:17:40.680 And that's across the aisle.

00:17:42.620 I think she means

00:17:45.480 incitement to violence,

00:17:47.300 which is a very specific thing,

00:17:50.220 I hope.

00:17:51.560 Hate speech,

00:17:52.760 there's not a hate speech

00:17:55.720 exception to the First Amendment.

00:17:57.960 Now, this is where everyone

00:17:59.440 seems to get, Clay,

00:18:00.540 in this discussion,

00:18:01.800 not everyone,

00:18:02.380 but people seem to get

00:18:03.340 maybe sometimes

00:18:04.760 intentionally confused

00:18:05.920 or they conflate things.

00:18:08.500 It is one thing to say

00:18:10.220 that you publicly state something

00:18:12.920 and your employer chooses to,

00:18:14.620 look, you or I,

00:18:15.880 we can't,

00:18:16.360 we're here on the radio.

00:18:17.060 There are things

00:18:17.580 we cannot say on the radio.

00:18:19.940 There are words,

00:18:20.460 for example,

00:18:20.760 we could not say

00:18:21.600 without repercussions.

00:18:22.580 We would get in trouble

00:18:23.280 because of the FCC.

00:18:24.840 That's right.

00:18:25.140 Right?

00:18:25.600 So we accept that

00:18:27.280 as part of,

00:18:27.840 because this is a time and place

00:18:29.460 restriction on our speech,

00:18:31.600 but also when you're working

00:18:33.520 for a private employer,

00:18:34.720 especially for an at-will employee,

00:18:36.520 they can decide

00:18:37.380 that you reflect poorly on them

00:18:39.180 as an employee

00:18:40.600 and they can fire you.

00:18:41.840 That is a different thing

00:18:43.120 than the government

00:18:44.380 is going to go after you

00:18:45.540 and lock you up

00:18:46.500 because you said

00:18:47.460 things that are very,

00:18:48.960 very mean

00:18:49.480 or very,

00:18:50.000 very gross

00:18:50.700 talking about the hate speech thing.

00:18:52.440 Remember,

00:18:53.240 the left says that hate speech

00:18:54.460 is using the wrong pronouns

00:18:55.880 for trans individuals,

00:18:57.300 right?

00:18:57.600 So if we're going to get into this,

00:18:58.880 we can't even define,

00:19:01.160 or rather,

00:19:01.460 there is no working definition

00:19:03.160 of hate speech.

00:19:03.800 It's just whatever

00:19:04.340 the people in power don't like.

00:19:05.780 So I'm a little surprised

00:19:06.920 that the AG said this.

00:19:07.980 I think that she,

00:19:09.400 I'm not actually even sure

00:19:10.880 what she thought

00:19:11.420 she was saying with this.

00:19:12.240 I'm confused by

00:19:13.560 where she's going with it.

00:19:15.100 What we don't need,

00:19:17.460 so let me take a step back

00:19:18.380 and hit it two different ways.

00:19:19.520 One,

00:19:21.240 Europe has hate speech codes

00:19:23.740 that they're trying to apply now.

00:19:25.600 That's how you end up

00:19:26.960 when a comedian

00:19:28.180 gets off an airplane flight

00:19:29.680 in London

00:19:30.320 having five police officers

00:19:32.480 to wait for him.

00:19:33.980 If you remember that story,

00:19:35.440 which wasn't very long ago,

00:19:36.880 that a British comedian

00:19:38.200 was accused of hate speech

00:19:40.280 for addressing

00:19:41.500 trans-related issues.

00:19:43.700 And we have seen

00:19:44.500 60 Minutes

00:19:45.360 went into Germany

00:19:46.720 with their cameras

00:19:48.120 and followed

00:19:49.300 as people were arrested

00:19:50.680 for things that they posted

00:19:52.280 on social media,

00:19:53.380 which I believe

00:19:54.220 were clearly political speech.

00:19:56.520 So I think she's wrong here.

00:19:58.860 Two,

00:19:59.940 and this is where I'm not,

00:20:01.840 I'm not happy with this.

00:20:04.240 It is natural

00:20:05.540 to respond emotionally

00:20:06.920 to awful things.

00:20:08.200 It is 100% natural.

00:20:10.000 Anybody who listened

00:20:10.580 to this show last week

00:20:11.660 knows that we were strongly

00:20:13.640 and deeply emotionally impacted

00:20:15.480 by what happened to Charlie.

00:20:17.180 But,

00:20:17.920 the Attorney General

00:20:19.100 of the United States

00:20:20.340 cannot be in a position

00:20:22.140 where he or she

00:20:23.380 is responding emotionally

00:20:24.800 when it comes to

00:20:26.280 putting in place

00:20:27.100 the principles of the law

00:20:28.440 under which we are all living.

00:20:30.880 And so,

00:20:31.440 I'm disappointed

00:20:32.020 by the way

00:20:33.060 that the Attorney General

00:20:34.020 of the United States

00:20:35.620 spoke here.

00:20:36.320 Now, to your point,

00:20:37.120 if she were inarticulately

00:20:39.500 attempting to address,

00:20:41.040 which is, again,

00:20:41.520 she's a lawyer,

00:20:42.140 she should be more articulate

00:20:43.160 on this,

00:20:44.240 if she were attempting

00:20:45.100 to say there is a difference

00:20:46.360 between call to action

00:20:48.880 for violence,

00:20:50.040 incitement,

00:20:50.680 as you said,

00:20:51.720 and political speech,

00:20:53.500 that is true.

00:20:54.340 You can't go on

00:20:55.420 and say to you or me,

00:20:56.720 or we couldn't say this

00:20:57.680 on the show,

00:20:58.560 hey,

00:20:59.060 I disagree with

00:21:00.400 this political opinion

00:21:01.640 and you should kill

00:21:03.260 that guy

00:21:03.940 for saying it,

00:21:05.240 that's not protected speech.

00:21:07.100 Death threats

00:21:07.700 are not protected speech.

00:21:09.380 There is criminal element

00:21:11.240 that moves towards incitement,

00:21:13.360 and if she's trying

00:21:14.460 to address that,

00:21:16.040 she inarticulately did it.

00:21:18.520 Right.

00:21:18.700 And I think

00:21:19.840 that's what I'm leaning toward.

00:21:21.620 Yes.

00:21:21.860 I think that's what

00:21:22.540 she was trying to say.

00:21:24.020 What her intent was.

00:21:24.440 Because she has to know

00:21:25.360 that conservatives,

00:21:26.380 we've been trying

00:21:27.020 to get rid of,

00:21:27.820 the right has been trying

00:21:28.620 to get rid of

00:21:29.500 hate speech laws.

00:21:30.540 For example,

00:21:31.140 the fact that

00:21:31.860 there have been people

00:21:33.520 arrested for putting

00:21:35.560 skid marks on a

00:21:37.200 Correct.

00:21:38.260 Pride flag

00:21:39.260 on the road.

00:21:40.220 on the road.

00:21:41.620 No,

00:21:42.060 that's insane.

00:21:42.940 Okay,

00:21:43.220 you can't,

00:21:43.780 you can't do that.

00:21:44.400 Or that people

00:21:44.940 would get arrested

00:21:45.620 for burning

00:21:46.280 like the trans flag.

00:21:48.100 You know,

00:21:48.260 this is a discussion

00:21:48.960 we had recently.

00:21:50.720 So I think

00:21:51.460 she was just saying

00:21:52.180 something else,

00:21:53.600 but it didn't really

00:21:54.120 come out very well.

00:21:54.740 But Trump spoke,

00:21:55.480 this is what was

00:21:55.960 making me think of this,

00:21:56.600 Trump spoke about it.

00:21:57.320 This is cut for

00:21:58.200 and also

00:21:59.380 about Kash Patel.

00:22:00.960 So let's hear

00:22:01.540 what the president

00:22:02.020 has to say.

00:22:02.820 First of all,

00:22:03.440 I think that

00:22:03.960 Pam Bondi

00:22:04.640 has done an

00:22:05.140 unbelievable job

00:22:06.200 and everybody

00:22:06.800 agrees with that.

00:22:08.060 And Kash,

00:22:10.140 you know,

00:22:10.680 if you look at,

00:22:11.220 take a look at

00:22:11.700 what he did

00:22:12.160 with respect

00:22:12.680 to this horrible

00:22:13.480 person that he

00:22:14.620 just captured.

00:22:15.580 He did it in two days.

00:22:17.560 It took other

00:22:18.320 similar cases,

00:22:19.540 four days,

00:22:20.160 five days,

00:22:21.340 four years,

00:22:22.540 if you look

00:22:22.940 at certain shooters.

00:22:24.440 Now,

00:22:25.040 I have confidence

00:22:26.360 in everybody

00:22:27.040 in the administration.

00:22:28.200 My administration,

00:22:29.980 and a lot of people

00:22:31.020 are saying it,

00:22:31.600 not just me,

00:22:32.720 it's so far

00:22:33.660 the best administration

00:22:34.860 ever formed.

00:22:37.480 So the people

00:22:38.860 who are saying

00:22:39.420 that Patel

00:22:40.020 is about to,

00:22:40.800 Director Patel

00:22:41.380 is about to get

00:22:41.940 the boot,

00:22:42.980 including,

00:22:43.520 I think,

00:22:43.700 Cory Booker

00:22:44.160 said that.

00:22:44.580 He said Trump's

00:22:45.060 going to leave you

00:22:45.480 high and dry

00:22:46.120 or he's going to,

00:22:46.780 you know,

00:22:47.080 kick you to the curb,

00:22:47.820 something like that.

00:22:49.080 Trump is standing

00:22:50.320 with his people

00:22:51.000 and not backing

00:22:51.940 down at all.

00:22:52.620 Yeah,

00:22:52.760 I think a lot

00:22:53.220 of that criticism

00:22:53.780 came out

00:22:54.380 because,

00:22:55.500 to be fair,

00:22:56.900 Cash tried to be

00:22:58.220 overly informative

00:22:59.740 on social media

00:23:01.140 about the people

00:23:01.940 who were being

00:23:02.540 taken into custody.

00:23:03.720 And there were

00:23:04.320 two people,

00:23:04.980 if I remember

00:23:05.340 correctly,

00:23:05.900 Buck,

00:23:06.520 that were taken

00:23:07.140 into custody

00:23:07.780 that,

00:23:08.840 at least the way

00:23:09.840 that it was

00:23:10.560 released was,

00:23:12.720 hey,

00:23:12.880 we think we have

00:23:13.520 the shooter.

00:23:14.260 And neither of

00:23:15.140 those individuals

00:23:15.880 were,

00:23:16.700 in fact,

00:23:16.960 the shooter

00:23:17.360 and both

00:23:18.040 were released.

00:23:19.260 Now,

00:23:19.560 obviously,

00:23:19.980 they have the

00:23:20.640 shooter in custody.

00:23:21.900 I think if

00:23:22.360 Cash Patel

00:23:22.980 could go back,

00:23:23.860 he would say,

00:23:25.040 hey,

00:23:25.260 I wish I had

00:23:25.820 been a little

00:23:26.380 bit slower

00:23:27.100 in the way

00:23:27.920 that I posted

00:23:29.180 about some

00:23:29.720 of these arrests.

00:23:31.140 But I think

00:23:31.700 his goal

00:23:32.440 was,

00:23:33.580 as the FBI

00:23:34.200 director,

00:23:34.760 to over-communicate

00:23:36.160 with people

00:23:36.720 so it didn't

00:23:37.380 look like we

00:23:37.900 were hiding

00:23:38.320 the ball

00:23:38.820 or to allow

00:23:39.600 conspiracies

00:23:40.360 to take root.

00:23:42.120 And so I think

00:23:42.580 that was the intent.

00:23:43.480 I can also

00:23:44.200 point to

00:23:45.160 previous instances

00:23:46.260 where the FBI

00:23:47.220 was delaying

00:23:49.680 and it looked

00:23:50.440 like delaying

00:23:51.420 so that they

00:23:51.960 could politicize.

00:23:53.200 It looked like

00:23:54.080 they weren't

00:23:54.560 releasing,

00:23:55.160 I'm not talking

00:23:55.720 about under

00:23:56.100 this Trump

00:23:57.000 administration,

00:23:58.160 but you can

00:23:58.820 go back

00:23:59.540 and think

00:24:00.960 about,

00:24:01.380 for example,

00:24:03.060 Clay,

00:24:03.540 I don't know

00:24:03.920 if you remember

00:24:04.240 the Pulse

00:24:04.680 nightclub

00:24:05.080 shooting under

00:24:05.580 the,

00:24:05.820 I think it was

00:24:06.140 the Obama

00:24:06.520 administration.

00:24:07.320 This is going

00:24:07.640 back quite a

00:24:08.180 ways.

00:24:08.880 The FBI

00:24:09.360 released a

00:24:10.500 transcript

00:24:11.000 that the

00:24:11.700 shooter,

00:24:12.300 who had

00:24:12.840 called in

00:24:13.620 because he

00:24:13.920 wanted everyone

00:24:14.280 to know,

00:24:15.180 and he was

00:24:15.540 saying things

00:24:16.020 like,

00:24:16.280 I'm doing

00:24:16.560 this for

00:24:16.980 Allah,

00:24:17.380 I'm doing

00:24:17.680 this for

00:24:18.040 ISIS,

00:24:18.520 like very

00:24:18.860 straightforward.

00:24:19.380 The FBI

00:24:20.000 unilaterally

00:24:21.540 decided to

00:24:23.100 block stuff

00:24:24.420 out in the

00:24:25.680 transcript,

00:24:26.120 and it was

00:24:26.440 preposterous

00:24:27.260 because we

00:24:27.660 all could

00:24:27.940 play the

00:24:28.240 fill-in-the-blank

00:24:28.760 game.

00:24:29.040 We knew

00:24:29.220 what he

00:24:29.380 was saying.

00:24:30.060 We understood

00:24:30.620 what was

00:24:30.880 going on,

00:24:31.820 and there

00:24:32.000 have been

00:24:32.180 other cases

00:24:32.780 as well

00:24:33.220 where I

00:24:33.560 think the

00:24:33.820 FBI

00:24:34.220 was very,

00:24:35.680 look,

00:24:36.300 the one

00:24:37.060 that I'm

00:24:37.280 sure a

00:24:37.540 lot of you

00:24:38.460 listening are

00:24:39.340 screaming about

00:24:39.900 is all the

00:24:40.240 Russia collusion

00:24:40.940 stuff.

00:24:41.600 Instead of

00:24:42.220 being

00:24:42.660 transparent and

00:24:44.120 letting people

00:24:44.540 know when

00:24:45.320 they knew,

00:24:46.100 or the problem

00:24:47.300 of that was

00:24:47.720 they were

00:24:47.960 all,

00:24:48.360 not they

00:24:48.760 were all,

00:24:49.300 but the

00:24:49.580 FBI was

00:24:50.240 in on that

00:24:51.120 whole scam,

00:24:52.320 so there was

00:24:52.860 just a lack

00:24:53.340 of faith.

00:24:53.860 So I think

00:24:54.180 the efforts

00:24:54.680 at transparency,

00:24:56.220 putting information

00:24:57.060 out sooner,

00:24:58.160 that comes from

00:24:58.980 a good place

00:24:59.660 for Director

00:25:00.120 Patel,

00:25:00.680 but there

00:25:01.540 were some

00:25:02.320 missteps,

00:25:04.020 perhaps,

00:25:04.620 in the way

00:25:05.140 the information

00:25:05.860 was shared,

00:25:07.120 because,

00:25:07.540 for example,

00:25:08.000 we all thought

00:25:08.600 that they had

00:25:09.000 the guy in

00:25:09.440 custody,

00:25:09.840 and they

00:25:10.100 didn't,

00:25:10.800 and that

00:25:11.080 probably shouldn't

00:25:12.500 happen.

00:25:13.380 Also,

00:25:14.280 I think he's

00:25:15.840 seeing all

00:25:16.760 of the lies

00:25:17.500 that are being

00:25:17.980 spread on the

00:25:18.620 left about

00:25:19.660 the motivations

00:25:20.360 of this

00:25:21.080 shooter.

00:25:22.040 Maybe at the

00:25:22.460 top of the

00:25:22.780 next hour,

00:25:23.420 we'll dive

00:25:23.880 into some

00:25:24.340 more of

00:25:24.720 this.

00:25:25.380 There is,

00:25:26.120 I believe,

00:25:26.620 right now,

00:25:27.320 a calculated

00:25:28.080 attempt on

00:25:28.980 the left in

00:25:29.520 this country

00:25:30.060 because they

00:25:30.760 recognize that

00:25:31.920 normal people

00:25:32.780 out there are

00:25:33.340 saying,

00:25:33.560 wait a minute,

00:25:34.540 there's a lot

00:25:35.280 of people

00:25:35.840 celebrating this

00:25:36.960 murder,

00:25:37.640 and there is

00:25:38.740 a lot of

00:25:39.240 left-wing

00:25:39.780 violence in

00:25:40.600 the wake of

00:25:41.080 the shooting

00:25:41.460 at the

00:25:42.140 Nashville

00:25:42.480 School,

00:25:43.020 in the

00:25:43.200 wake of

00:25:43.520 the shooting

00:25:43.900 at the

00:25:44.400 Minneapolis

00:25:44.880 School,

00:25:45.980 and you

00:25:47.180 can be a

00:25:48.980 left-wing

00:25:49.560 Malkaton,

00:25:50.860 but his

00:25:51.600 motivations,

00:25:52.620 this shooter,

00:25:53.800 appears to

00:25:54.520 have clearly

00:25:55.240 been fueled

00:25:56.340 by left-wing

00:25:57.920 attacks on

00:25:58.960 Charlie Kirk,

00:25:59.800 on Donald

00:26:00.200 Trump,

00:26:00.580 on people

00:26:00.920 like you

00:26:01.360 and me

00:26:01.780 as Hitler

00:26:03.020 and Nazis

00:26:04.060 and fascists

00:26:04.960 and all

00:26:05.420 of these

00:26:05.740 things,

00:26:06.480 and so

00:26:07.160 I think

00:26:08.040 they're trying

00:26:08.540 to intentionally

00:26:09.820 confuse people

00:26:11.440 as to where

00:26:12.300 these motivations

00:26:12.840 are coming

00:26:13.220 from,

00:26:13.500 so I

00:26:13.820 think the

00:26:14.500 goal of

00:26:15.200 Kash Patel

00:26:15.840 and Dan

00:26:16.180 Bongino

00:26:16.540 is to try

00:26:17.060 to get

00:26:17.260 the truth

00:26:17.600 out.

00:26:17.840 Well,

00:26:18.020 that's absolutely

00:26:18.920 what's going

00:26:19.500 on.

00:26:19.760 There's an

00:26:20.020 intentional

00:26:20.460 effort by

00:26:21.240 the media

00:26:21.760 so that

00:26:22.280 they can

00:26:22.840 avoid the

00:26:24.920 ideological

00:26:25.420 accountability

00:26:26.300 of,

00:26:27.180 because remember,

00:26:27.780 they have been

00:26:29.020 saying stuff,

00:26:30.780 CNN,

00:26:31.560 the New York

00:26:31.880 Times,

00:26:32.640 Washington Post,

00:26:33.480 the biggest

00:26:34.160 Democrat-aligned

00:26:35.760 media outlets,

00:26:36.420 we don't really,

00:26:36.840 it's interesting,

00:26:37.160 we used to call

00:26:37.540 them mainstream

00:26:38.000 media,

00:26:38.800 we got rid

00:26:39.300 of that because

00:26:39.800 why do we say

00:26:40.360 they're mainstream,

00:26:41.100 right?

00:26:41.640 And then it was

00:26:42.000 legacy media,

00:26:42.760 but that felt a

00:26:43.400 little too exalted

00:26:44.200 for them.

00:26:44.720 We don't have

00:26:45.060 really a good

00:26:45.600 term for,

00:26:46.560 I don't know,

00:26:47.100 maybe lib media.

00:26:48.300 My point,

00:26:49.020 though,

00:26:49.520 is they have

00:26:51.140 been saying

00:26:51.740 stuff,

00:26:52.240 Clay,

00:26:52.500 for years,

00:26:53.200 that if somebody

00:26:54.480 really believed

00:26:55.900 the gap between

00:27:00.160 reading this stuff

00:27:01.360 and thinking that

00:27:02.060 you need to take

00:27:02.680 imminent action

00:27:03.500 is far too small.

00:27:05.560 If somebody says

00:27:06.400 that the president

00:27:07.140 is a Nazi,

00:27:07.860 the White House

00:27:08.300 is full of

00:27:08.660 white supremacists,

00:27:09.480 there's not going

00:27:09.940 to be another

00:27:10.360 election,

00:27:11.420 and they're going

00:27:11.720 to be marching,

00:27:12.460 you know,

00:27:13.000 they're going to

00:27:13.500 be marching you

00:27:14.200 off into,

00:27:14.840 you know,

00:27:16.400 some kind of

00:27:16.960 camps because

00:27:18.380 you're a Democrat,

00:27:19.180 whatever,

00:27:19.600 the crazy stuff

00:27:20.460 that they say,

00:27:21.060 fascism,

00:27:21.700 they use the term

00:27:22.120 fascism all the

00:27:22.920 time.

00:27:23.860 The people that

00:27:24.380 say that,

00:27:24.780 by the way,

00:27:25.060 I think just have

00:27:25.580 very little

00:27:26.020 understanding of

00:27:26.620 what a fascistic

00:27:27.480 society is like.

00:27:28.840 One thing that's

00:27:29.500 not true in

00:27:30.180 fascism is you

00:27:31.360 get more famous

00:27:32.160 and more money

00:27:32.760 in the media if

00:27:33.600 you are bashing

00:27:34.300 the regime all

00:27:34.940 the time,

00:27:35.480 and that it's

00:27:35.800 like a good,

00:27:36.600 at least it was

00:27:37.200 previously for them

00:27:37.980 a good strategy,

00:27:39.300 but I think that

00:27:40.360 they,

00:27:41.440 the main,

00:27:42.160 this is the

00:27:42.860 big difference.

00:27:43.900 When they do

00:27:44.360 the both sides

00:27:45.060 thing,

00:27:46.540 the mainstream

00:27:47.500 thinking among

00:27:50.060 the Democrat

00:27:50.700 Party when it

00:27:51.820 comes to Trump,

00:27:53.140 MAGA,

00:27:53.720 all of it,

00:27:54.740 is extreme

00:27:56.500 and delusional.

00:27:58.540 And you can say

00:27:59.740 on the right

00:28:00.400 there are people

00:28:00.960 who have said

00:28:01.580 nasty things here

00:28:02.440 or there,

00:28:03.160 but they are

00:28:03.820 fringe,

00:28:04.760 they do not

00:28:05.200 have power,

00:28:06.780 they are not

00:28:07.580 in the center

00:28:10.720 of the decision

00:28:11.780 making of the

00:28:13.220 conservative or

00:28:14.020 the right-wing

00:28:14.940 movement in this

00:28:15.580 country.

00:28:16.000 And that's where

00:28:16.640 there's just a

00:28:18.120 hugely obvious

00:28:19.180 difference.

00:28:20.360 And we won't,

00:28:20.820 I was talking to

00:28:21.640 Clay, like,

00:28:21.980 do we want to

00:28:22.360 play these guys

00:28:22.860 or not?

00:28:23.140 There are these

00:28:23.420 left-wing streamers

00:28:24.660 on Discord.

00:28:26.240 So just so I'm

00:28:26.760 going to understand,

00:28:28.400 now Discord is

00:28:29.500 where he was

00:28:30.120 having the shooter,

00:28:31.200 the assassin,

00:28:32.020 right?

00:28:32.100 Discord is a

00:28:33.040 chat room,

00:28:33.880 but it goes

00:28:34.340 simultaneously to

00:28:36.000 video game playing?

00:28:37.320 Is that right?

00:28:37.840 So my understanding,

00:28:38.740 because my boys

00:28:39.480 are active,

00:28:40.560 is Discord,

00:28:41.580 you can create

00:28:42.500 group chats,

00:28:44.140 and the group

00:28:44.720 chats on Discord

00:28:45.600 are basically

00:28:46.560 private message

00:28:47.480 boards that can

00:28:48.120 be very large,

00:28:49.520 or you could

00:28:50.340 create a Discord

00:28:51.320 group chat for,

00:28:52.820 say, your family

00:28:54.100 and friends,

00:28:55.000 where everybody

00:28:55.880 can communicate.

00:28:56.660 My understanding

00:28:57.880 is that he

00:28:58.420 was active

00:28:59.040 in trans-related

00:29:01.840 Discord group

00:29:03.160 chats,

00:29:04.140 some of which

00:29:04.980 can be very

00:29:05.760 substantial in

00:29:07.160 scope.

00:29:07.680 What is different

00:29:08.320 is, again,

00:29:09.900 this is me

00:29:10.820 trying to dive

00:29:12.020 into the internet

00:29:12.540 here and explain

00:29:13.460 differences,

00:29:14.200 Reddit is

00:29:15.440 basically an

00:29:16.200 online message

00:29:17.040 board where

00:29:17.920 everybody can

00:29:18.940 see what is

00:29:19.620 posted.

00:29:20.720 And there are

00:29:21.020 all these

00:29:21.400 different subgroups.

00:29:22.260 This is like a

00:29:23.320 private...

00:29:23.960 I think I might

00:29:24.500 be thinking of,

00:29:24.940 is it Twitch?

00:29:25.820 Yeah, you're

00:29:26.200 thinking of Twitch,

00:29:27.140 which is a

00:29:27.580 video streaming

00:29:28.440 service that

00:29:29.480 largely is

00:29:30.880 featuring people

00:29:31.760 playing video

00:29:32.640 games.

00:29:33.040 So people

00:29:33.660 watch...

00:29:35.260 This is amazing

00:29:35.780 because I

00:29:36.300 actually,

00:29:37.440 during...

00:29:37.960 I admit this,

00:29:38.820 I started

00:29:39.320 playing some

00:29:39.860 video games

00:29:40.340 again.

00:29:40.680 I kind of

00:29:40.920 like Call

00:29:41.260 of Duty.

00:29:42.280 But the idea

00:29:43.120 that I would

00:29:43.520 sit there and

00:29:43.960 watch somebody

00:29:44.540 else play video

00:29:45.260 games is just

00:29:46.880 makes no sense

00:29:47.920 to me at all.

00:29:48.480 But this is a

00:29:48.940 big...

00:29:49.840 The communities

00:29:50.680 that do this

00:29:51.480 are huge online.

00:29:52.920 My boys love

00:29:53.960 to watch video

00:29:55.260 games be played.

00:29:56.400 Now, they would

00:29:56.940 say, this is how

00:29:58.140 you learn how

00:29:59.720 to do things

00:30:00.760 on the games

00:30:01.640 because these

00:30:02.280 guys are super

00:30:02.960 skilled, whether

00:30:03.660 it's at playing

00:30:04.320 Madden, FIFA,

00:30:05.380 or Roblox,

00:30:06.780 and Fortnite,

00:30:08.020 and all these

00:30:08.500 different things.

00:30:10.040 And I asked my

00:30:11.380 boys about that,

00:30:12.060 and they said,

00:30:12.720 well, Dad, you

00:30:13.420 watch a lot of

00:30:14.580 sports, and that's

00:30:16.280 just other people

00:30:17.180 playing sports.

00:30:18.420 Why is it weird

00:30:19.300 to watch people

00:30:20.200 play video games?

00:30:21.480 And I was like,

00:30:22.060 well, you know.

00:30:23.300 So, interesting

00:30:23.980 argument.

00:30:24.640 You and I

00:30:25.080 generation, we

00:30:25.660 didn't have the

00:30:26.240 ability to watch

00:30:26.920 other people play

00:30:27.480 video games.

00:30:28.320 This is actually

00:30:29.060 an outgrowth.

00:30:29.680 The thing that

00:30:30.000 was crazy to me

00:30:30.780 that they would

00:30:31.280 watch is other

00:30:32.260 kids opening

00:30:32.860 presents.

00:30:34.000 But this is

00:30:34.620 clearly...

00:30:35.320 This is their

00:30:35.580 generation.

00:30:36.200 The hard left

00:30:37.340 of Gen Z,

00:30:40.540 this is kind of

00:30:41.520 where they're on

00:30:42.240 Discord and this

00:30:43.100 Twitch thing, and

00:30:44.400 they have people

00:30:45.340 that have become

00:30:46.280 very prominent with

00:30:47.160 large followings who

00:30:49.080 are really bad

00:30:50.760 dudes, and

00:30:52.160 they're in this

00:30:53.040 part of the

00:30:53.460 internet.

00:30:53.860 Like, Clay, and I've

00:30:54.520 never been on

00:30:55.100 Twitch, I've never

00:30:55.740 been on Discord,

00:30:57.020 and I barely have

00:30:58.800 ever...

00:30:59.080 Same for me.

00:30:59.680 I've never used

00:31:00.320 Reddit, I've had it

00:31:01.060 come up and

00:31:01.460 search, but these

00:31:02.580 other things, this

00:31:03.700 is a place where

00:31:05.280 radicalism of the

00:31:06.940 left is thriving on

00:31:08.400 the internet, and

00:31:08.900 that's really what I

00:31:09.580 think is...

00:31:09.840 Reddit is maybe the

00:31:11.420 furthest left wing of

00:31:13.120 all of the social

00:31:14.120 media sites on the

00:31:15.300 internet.

00:31:15.680 You might say,

00:31:16.160 well, why do I

00:31:16.800 care?

00:31:17.960 Reddit is one of the

00:31:19.300 top sources now

00:31:20.560 for AI information.

00:31:23.420 Sounds scary, but

00:31:24.700 if you're worried

00:31:25.360 about what the

00:31:25.980 algorithm is going

00:31:26.780 to spin out, an

00:31:28.120 algorithm is only as

00:31:29.560 good, an AI is only

00:31:30.800 as good as the

00:31:31.760 information that is

00:31:32.600 inputted, and

00:31:33.960 Reddit is a toxic

00:31:35.920 place when it comes

00:31:37.100 to left wing

00:31:38.860 dominance of the

00:31:40.200 conversation.

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00:33:08.940 Welcome back in to

00:33:10.000 Clay and Buck.

00:33:11.000 We've got an update

00:33:11.780 on a different

00:33:15.280 assassination case than

00:33:16.600 the one we've been

00:33:17.100 very focused on for

00:33:18.700 the last few days,

00:33:19.580 the Luigi Mangione

00:33:21.700 case, the alleged

00:33:22.880 assassin of the United

00:33:24.040 Healthcare CEO.

00:33:27.400 And I just want to

00:33:27.880 update you on what

00:33:29.580 happened and then

00:33:30.100 you'll hear about what

00:33:31.040 it sounded like outside

00:33:32.000 the courthouse here in

00:33:32.940 New York, where we are

00:33:34.560 for this week.

00:33:35.820 A judge has thrown

00:33:36.900 out the top counts in

00:33:38.160 Luigi Mangione's state

00:33:39.320 murder case, rejecting

00:33:40.320 claims the accused

00:33:41.900 killer can be charged

00:33:42.840 as a terrorist in a

00:33:44.320 huge blow to

00:33:44.920 prosecutors.

00:33:46.320 Judge Gregory Caro

00:33:47.340 tossed charges of

00:33:48.760 murder in the first

00:33:49.500 degree as an act of

00:33:50.420 terrorism and murder

00:33:51.840 in the second degree as

00:33:52.640 an act of terrorism

00:33:53.440 against the 27-year-old.

00:33:55.500 He did keep alive the

00:33:56.980 other second-degree

00:33:57.620 murder charge for

00:33:58.920 allegedly executing

00:34:00.000 United Healthcare CEO

00:34:00.880 Brian Thompson on

00:34:01.760 December 4th of 2024.

00:34:06.160 Let me see.

00:34:06.940 The people presented

00:34:07.560 sufficient evidence that

00:34:08.520 defendant murdered

00:34:09.040 Brian Thompson, that

00:34:10.460 does not mean the

00:34:11.060 defendant did so with

00:34:11.820 terroristic intent.

00:34:13.800 Okay, so this judge is

00:34:14.780 a moron.

00:34:15.220 Yes.

00:34:15.700 So the judge is a

00:34:16.300 moron.

00:34:16.680 That was quick.

00:34:17.880 Yeah, the judge is an

00:34:18.540 idiot.

00:34:19.740 And speaking of

00:34:20.740 idiots, here is outside

00:34:22.660 the courthouse when the

00:34:23.760 top counts were dropped

00:34:24.880 against this guy.

00:34:26.020 This is what it sounded

00:34:26.860 like to a bunch of

00:34:27.780 people from a bunch of

00:34:28.900 people gathered.

00:34:39.520 I have a lot of feelings

00:34:45.080 about this, Clay.

00:34:45.600 One thing is, you know

00:34:46.840 the whole both sides-ism?

00:34:48.400 Not a single Trump voter in

00:34:49.860 that crowd, I can assure

00:34:50.900 you.

00:34:51.160 Not one.

00:34:52.000 It's all leftists, all

00:34:53.320 Democrats.

00:34:53.860 Well, this is where I think

00:34:56.100 a lot of us, and I'll put

00:34:57.560 myself in this camp, became

00:34:59.680 aware of the uniquely

00:35:01.240 toxic environment on the

00:35:02.860 left when just down the

00:35:04.300 road from where we are

00:35:05.320 doing our show, you can

00:35:06.260 almost see the location of

00:35:07.680 this assassination of the

00:35:09.700 UnitedHealthcare CEO.

00:35:11.440 A lot of people defended it

00:35:13.860 on the left and said, well,

00:35:15.800 insurance companies are

00:35:16.860 really frustrating, so the

00:35:18.260 CEO should have expected

00:35:19.400 that he might get killed.

00:35:20.560 And he even said it's a good

00:35:21.860 thing.

00:35:22.080 And they tried to turn

00:35:22.900 Luigi Mangione into a

00:35:24.740 heartthrob because, remember,

00:35:25.860 it took multiple days to

00:35:27.120 catch him because he had

00:35:29.060 done the shooting wearing a

00:35:30.260 mask and immediately fled.

00:35:31.980 There's the bike racks right

00:35:34.040 outside the front of this

00:35:35.060 building where he grabbed a

00:35:36.260 bike and then vanished.

00:35:37.760 Yeah, we're right here in

00:35:38.540 Midtown near where the

00:35:39.600 assassination occurred, so we

00:35:41.400 know that street very well.

00:35:43.600 And I just, I think about,

00:35:45.180 well, one, the assassin of

00:35:47.660 Charlie Kirk, him and his,

00:35:50.120 we'll talk more also about

00:35:51.660 they're looking into who

00:35:53.640 else knew and what did

00:35:54.920 they know and was anyone

00:35:56.680 aiding and abetting in any

00:35:57.880 way.

00:35:58.140 We'll get to that in the

00:35:59.260 third hour.

00:36:00.580 But, Clay, they certainly

00:36:02.100 were aware of these, in the

00:36:04.520 Discord chats, which I was

00:36:05.900 learning about what Discord

00:36:06.740 is, certainly were aware

00:36:08.860 of Luigi.

00:36:11.180 And wasn't the joke, wasn't

00:36:12.340 there a joke made, you

00:36:13.140 know, don't go to a

00:36:13.780 McDonald's or something

00:36:14.700 among them because that's

00:36:15.740 where Luigi got caught.

00:36:16.980 I think.

00:36:17.240 Yeah, that's right.

00:36:17.800 He got turned in by a guy

00:36:19.180 who recognized him at a, I

00:36:20.840 think it was a

00:36:21.540 Pennsylvania-era area, kind

00:36:24.020 of rural location where

00:36:26.720 the guy recognized him.

00:36:28.380 And I just, again, to

00:36:31.560 your point, there is no

00:36:33.060 equivalent to this on the

00:36:34.720 right.

00:36:35.320 I can't remember a

00:36:36.260 situation like this where

00:36:37.240 we've seen a reaction.

00:36:38.140 Right-wing people don't

00:36:38.840 cheer for murderers.

00:36:40.920 That's just the reality in

00:36:42.240 America today.

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00:36:48.840 federal government deficit.

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00:36:52.160 government's fiscal year

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00:38:13.520 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton

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00:38:15.240 Appreciate all of you hanging

00:38:16.120 out with us.

00:38:16.720 We are here in New York City

00:38:19.120 down in D.C.

00:38:21.220 Kash Patel, director of the

00:38:22.760 FBI, is testifying on

00:38:24.880 Capitol Hill.

00:38:26.360 And this came out a little

00:38:27.740 bit earlier.

00:38:28.320 Senator Josh Hawley of

00:38:30.920 Missouri was asking Kash

00:38:33.440 Patel, hey, we know that

00:38:35.280 this one guy has been

00:38:36.800 arrested, that he is a

00:38:38.640 left-wing zealot.

00:38:40.640 And there are lots of

00:38:42.920 suggestions out there that

00:38:44.860 many people in the trans

00:38:46.660 community may well have

00:38:48.700 known that this attack was

00:38:50.600 coming based on different

00:38:52.780 social media posts, different

00:38:54.260 activity out there.

00:38:55.400 The investigation is

00:38:56.640 ongoing.

00:38:57.260 But this question, cut

00:38:59.280 40, I believe, is from

00:39:01.200 Senator Josh Hawley of

00:39:02.300 Missouri for Kash Patel.

00:39:03.740 Listen to the answer.

00:39:04.900 Here it is.

00:39:05.500 In terms of what we do for

00:39:07.100 an interrogation

00:39:08.020 perspective, we go and

00:39:10.000 reach out to the family and

00:39:11.280 community immediately.

00:39:12.300 And we've conducted those

00:39:13.280 investigations and

00:39:14.140 interrogations with local

00:39:15.220 law enforcement.

00:39:16.240 And we're continuing to do

00:39:17.240 that because those closest

00:39:18.940 to the suspect are going to

00:39:20.780 hopefully know the most

00:39:21.960 about the suspect and his

00:39:23.700 beliefs and his ideology.

00:39:24.860 On top of that, unfortunately,

00:39:27.160 it has been leaked that

00:39:28.020 there was a Discord chat.

00:39:30.820 And for those unfamiliar with

00:39:31.820 it, it's a gaming chat room

00:39:34.080 online that the suspect

00:39:37.240 participated in.

00:39:38.380 So what we're doing, we've

00:39:39.740 already done a sort of legal

00:39:40.800 process, not just on Discord,

00:39:42.900 so that the information we

00:39:43.980 gathered is sustained and held

00:39:47.080 in a evidentiary posture that we

00:39:49.100 could use in prosecution should it

00:39:50.940 be decided to do so.

00:39:52.020 And we're also going to be

00:39:53.260 investigating anyone and

00:39:54.840 everyone involved in that

00:39:56.220 Discord chat.

00:39:57.340 Okay, very good.

00:39:58.040 I see the public reports that

00:39:59.660 the Discord thread had as many

00:40:01.080 as 20 additional users.

00:40:02.480 It sounds like you're trying to

00:40:03.740 run down all of that to see if

00:40:05.460 that's accurate.

00:40:06.660 Who else may have been on that

00:40:07.720 thread?

00:40:08.320 What they may have known?

00:40:09.280 Is that fair to say?

00:40:10.420 It's a lot more than that.

00:40:11.380 We're running them all down.

00:40:12.300 It's a lot more than 20?

00:40:13.600 Yes, sir.

00:40:13.900 And you're running all of that

00:40:14.900 together?

00:40:15.060 Every single one.

00:40:16.080 Okay, so one of the challenges

00:40:18.000 here, Buck, and again, that's

00:40:19.180 Kash Patel responding today,

00:40:20.680 testifying on Capitol Hill, is

00:40:23.280 going to be, did people know or

00:40:26.120 did they not know about this

00:40:28.720 plan?

00:40:29.400 Because there are a lot of

00:40:31.580 social media posts saying that

00:40:33.940 something was going to happen to

00:40:35.200 Charlie Kirk on that day.

00:40:37.140 Now, what we don't know, Buck, to

00:40:38.860 be fair, is Charlie Kirk speaks all

00:40:40.900 over the place.

00:40:42.000 Are posts like this common?

00:40:43.700 In other words, were death threats

00:40:45.240 against Charlie Kirk so common that

00:40:46.860 people regularly said, oh, something's

00:40:49.000 going to happen to Charlie when he

00:40:50.280 speaks at this location or that

00:40:51.800 location?

00:40:52.460 I'm sure the FBI is looking into it,

00:40:55.280 but the trans universe out there, that

00:40:58.160 is, the people that are connected to

00:40:59.720 this trans individual that the

00:41:01.300 alleged killer was living with, seems

00:41:03.580 fairly substantial.

00:41:05.080 And many of those people were very

00:41:06.540 active and they tried to scrub a lot

00:41:09.160 of the commentary by deleting accounts

00:41:11.260 and by deleting comments that were

00:41:14.480 posted.

00:41:14.900 It's going to be a big part of this

00:41:17.000 investigation, I think, to find out

00:41:18.540 how many people might have been

00:41:20.040 involved or had pre-existing

00:41:21.880 knowledge of this assassination

00:41:23.740 attempt.

00:41:25.140 They're going to look at everything

00:41:26.480 they can and get into these

00:41:28.700 discord chats.

00:41:29.620 The thing about all these electronic

00:41:30.840 communications is that people think

00:41:33.080 that there's security on them, meaning

00:41:36.000 you can say things and the authorities

00:41:38.800 won't find out.

00:41:39.720 No, they can get into it and they will.

00:41:41.600 They'll get into all these different

00:41:42.780 servers and see what was said and

00:41:45.580 they'll also, I think, chase down

00:41:47.760 additional leads as well.

00:41:49.560 There's been discussion from Cash

00:41:51.900 Patel about funding for this

00:41:56.160 incident or anything similar to it,

00:41:59.160 any left-wing terrorism that is out

00:42:01.880 there.

00:42:02.160 They want to see who is funding this

00:42:04.180 stuff.

00:42:04.520 I think that's also very important.

00:42:07.000 Cash saying that we are, in essence,

00:42:09.460 we are going to, here you go,

00:42:11.100 actually, this is cut one.

00:42:12.860 Would you guys play this one for me?

00:42:14.260 I wanted to pull this one up.

00:42:15.260 Here's Cash saying they're going to go

00:42:16.720 wherever the money takes them.

00:42:18.160 I've always said we follow the money

00:42:20.420 and whether it's terrorism or attacks

00:42:24.140 based on ideology or attacks on

00:42:25.940 institutions of faith or people of

00:42:27.440 faith, someone's paying for it and we

00:42:30.000 are reverse tracing those steps.

00:42:31.760 We are not stopping at the perpetrator

00:42:33.260 themselves.

00:42:34.060 We are reverse engineering to hold those

00:42:35.760 accountable in our investigations to

00:42:37.760 who funded them and knowingly funded

00:42:39.620 them and we will bring the appropriate

00:42:41.060 steps against them with our partners

00:42:42.560 at DOJ.

00:42:44.160 So, that's interesting.

00:42:46.940 Follow the money, terrorism or attacks

00:42:48.680 based on ideology, someone is paying

00:42:51.620 for it.

00:42:53.080 Is he speaking, Clay, you think, just in

00:42:55.060 general about these kinds of violent

00:42:57.840 incidents or is there something about

00:42:59.740 this one in particular?

00:43:01.380 Because the rifle that was used, you

00:43:03.500 notice there's not much of a talk

00:43:04.920 about gun control because if you try to

00:43:07.360 ban this rifle, you're banning, I mean,

00:43:09.480 this is a basically an old school bolt

00:43:11.620 action hunting rifle is essentially the

00:43:14.080 murder weapon that was used here, the

00:43:15.520 assassination weapon that was used.

00:43:17.820 So, that's not, you know, there's nothing

00:43:20.140 about that that is expensive or

00:43:23.300 sophisticated or out of the ordinary.

00:43:25.580 I think it's interesting.

00:43:26.440 I'm not sure if Cash is just speaking

00:43:28.220 about this to set a general tone that

00:43:30.120 for any of these incidents and if there's

00:43:32.500 going to be in the future, let's say,

00:43:33.780 Antifa or Trantifa riots in

00:43:36.840 neighborhoods, are they being funded by

00:43:38.820 some of these shadowy carve-outs that

00:43:42.060 have tie-ins to anybody funded by Soros or

00:43:44.700 whatever it may be?

00:43:46.200 Or is there something about this that

00:43:47.960 they're specifically looking at a money

00:43:50.500 trail?

00:43:51.780 That's, for him to bring this up, I just

00:43:53.720 think it's interesting that he's talking

00:43:56.260 about money in this incident, whether

00:43:58.620 there's anything that they've seen that

00:44:01.340 makes them think, because they're looking

00:44:02.620 for co-conspirators, they're looking for

00:44:04.220 people that knew, they're looking at all

00:44:05.680 these different aspects of it.

00:44:07.660 I wouldn't think the logistics of this

00:44:09.440 would require financing, really.

00:44:11.820 It's not like, you know, jihadist

00:44:12.960 terrorists, you have to get, maybe they're

00:44:14.860 getting fake passports and they're getting

00:44:16.340 plane tickets and they're coming over here

00:44:17.860 or whatever, but there is stuff we

00:44:21.440 clearly don't know yet and that even the

00:44:23.280 FBI doesn't know they're trying to chase

00:44:24.660 down.

00:44:25.300 Isn't it interesting to a large extent that

00:44:28.040 the mass protests have not existed for

00:44:30.860 year one of Trump?

00:44:32.780 I know there have been some.

00:44:33.920 They had that one No Kings Day or whatever

00:44:36.260 it was, but it's kind of a sad, sad

00:44:38.240 exclamation, kind of a dud.

00:44:39.820 The anti-Trump protests on Inauguration

00:44:43.400 Day, you and I have talked about being in

00:44:45.800 the midst of those and how sad and muted

00:44:48.180 they felt was cold.

00:44:49.900 We want to give those old ladies a cup of

00:44:51.360 hot cocoa.

00:44:51.960 Yeah, I just I felt like they needed bigger

00:44:53.860 coats.

00:44:54.500 I felt sorry for their purple hair was

00:44:56.720 turning into icicles.

00:44:57.680 It was sad out there.

00:44:58.880 I walked into Fox News today and there were

00:45:01.300 eight or so bedraggled protesters, all 75 or

00:45:06.620 older, standing outside of Fox News protesting.

00:45:10.640 It is to me somewhat intriguing that all of

00:45:15.100 the counter protests to Trump have kind of

00:45:18.440 dried up.

00:45:19.180 And the reason why I wonder is.

00:45:21.720 Did BLM did a lot of people suddenly realize

00:45:25.400 that they were going to get looked into in a

00:45:27.300 real way, because remember how suspicious it

00:45:29.300 always was some dump truck would pull up and

00:45:32.260 suddenly there would just be bricks that were

00:45:34.340 able to be picked up and two by fours and other

00:45:37.240 objects of violence that just materialized for

00:45:41.020 everybody.

00:45:42.060 There are a lot of paid protesters.

00:45:43.880 I think a lot of us have come to recognize that

00:45:46.380 there are many people who paid to show up, but it

00:45:49.420 does feel like those overall what they tried to

00:45:53.440 label organic protests have suddenly vanished in

00:45:56.600 Trump 2.0.

00:45:57.120 There was clearly a rent-a-mob phenomenon that

00:45:59.760 had occurred in previous left-wing protests.

00:46:02.720 I think that's definitely the case.

00:46:04.860 I also think that now when they look at the

00:46:07.900 places where this stuff is being organized and

00:46:12.120 planned out, it is in places like these discord

00:46:16.220 chats.

00:46:16.700 This has become, and I think the perfect example is

00:46:20.320 neither you nor I, who are very internet-aware and

00:46:23.900 active, are on Discord or doing any of this stuff,

00:46:26.940 certainly not on Twitch.

00:46:28.900 But if you were to think about where do people in

00:46:31.240 Antifa and where do those kinds of radicals find

00:46:37.480 each other?

00:46:38.140 I mean, I go back, Clay, to the old jihadist chat room.

00:46:41.940 This was something that for a long time, and a lot of

00:46:44.760 the counterterrorism investigations of the, call it

00:46:47.660 the 2010s around there, it all started with people

00:46:52.080 who found each other.

00:46:53.920 This is now jihadist terrorism we're talking about, but

00:46:56.120 they found each other on a chat, and then maybe they

00:47:00.100 started attending the same mosque.

00:47:02.120 They'd try to go to a more radical mosque, and then

00:47:04.600 maybe they would start doing a little bit of firearms

00:47:07.060 training together or talking about how to build a bomb,

00:47:10.540 and they would share articles from Inspire, which was Al Qaeda

00:47:15.140 in the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda arm slash telling

00:47:18.940 people, go do terror attacks.

00:47:20.500 Here's how you do it, right?

00:47:21.680 But they were finding people in these chat rooms, is the point.

00:47:23.840 And then it became very clear over time, FBI and other

00:47:28.320 entities are very actively monitoring any terrorist

00:47:32.820 conspiracies going on there.

00:47:34.580 And I think that they're going to find a lot of really scary

00:47:39.100 and very likely illegal stuff being discussed when they

00:47:44.440 start to look at the, because these things tend to be linked

00:47:46.760 to each other, right?

00:47:47.360 This group is talking, maybe this group also has this other

00:47:49.880 group, and they communicate in this online ecosystem.

00:47:53.680 Well, I think what you're going to find with Discord, and I

00:47:56.000 know a lot of you are not hyper online necessarily listening

00:47:59.800 to us, but you basically have a series of private message

00:48:04.040 boards, and I think when they now know that this Discord group

00:48:08.640 chat that Cash Patel referenced exists, I think there's going

00:48:13.240 to be a lot of people saying, wait a minute, to what extent

00:48:16.700 should Discord chats, right?

00:48:19.700 Like, again, I understand this is getting into weeds a little

00:48:22.400 bit for some of you, but Reddit is a public forum.

00:48:26.820 Twitter is a public forum.

00:48:29.040 That is, everybody can see what is posted on these things.

00:48:32.040 So if you or I are tweeting at somebody, hey, let's get the

00:48:35.460 rent-a-mob together to go bash some windows down at this place

00:48:39.700 at this time, guess who else is seeing it?

00:48:41.640 The cops and everybody.

00:48:42.740 So that they can track, but I wonder to what extent there's

00:48:46.420 going to be questions now raised about private message board

00:48:50.820 servers in Discord and the conversations that are being

00:48:54.820 facilitated inside of that marketplace?

00:48:57.980 Because it's bringing strangers together.

00:49:01.340 Well, this is what I mean about the old school jihadist chat rooms.

00:49:04.080 This is where people would find each other online, and then that would be

00:49:10.120 the formation of the cell or the formation of the sort of radicalization

00:49:14.420 process would start there, and then things would follow on to that.

00:49:18.080 But then the action would come, instead of the old school chat room, which

00:49:22.600 now it's specifically these Discord servers.

00:49:26.120 So I wonder how much of an investigation is going to go on here, and I think

00:49:29.240 you're raising good, interesting questions, which are how much of these

00:49:34.060 private conversations in a public forum, Discord as a company, that is hosting

00:49:39.680 and making money off of these, how much of them are incredibly toxic, and how

00:49:44.120 many of them are criminal in nature, and what is the responsibility of Discord

00:49:48.940 when it comes to monitoring in some way those conversations, and or for

00:49:54.800 authorities to monitor those conversations.

00:49:56.780 I wonder what kind of, what do they call it when they have the people like-

00:50:02.640 Moderating.

00:50:03.080 Thank you.

00:50:03.660 Moderating.

00:50:04.760 Because Facebook and these other major platforms have gotten far more savvy

00:50:10.460 about moderation, they've had to, but they also, I'm sure, using not just

00:50:15.540 algorithms, but AI increasingly to do this stuff.

00:50:18.520 Discord may be kind of the Wild West a little bit.

00:50:20.440 That's the sense you get, right?

00:50:21.480 It may be almost like anything goes in this chat room, and these people feel

00:50:24.920 like no one else is going to see this or find this, and as the FBI starts to

00:50:31.040 kick over some of those stones, we could see some really ugly stuff.

00:50:34.420 Also, reportedly, this assassin confessed in Discord.

00:50:38.880 Yeah.

00:50:39.060 That would suggest that he sees this group as profoundly connective tissue for

00:50:47.940 him, and to your point, I wonder how much of the toxicity that we are seeing is

00:50:53.800 emanating from these toxic people finding each other and driving each other to

00:50:58.660 additional forms of radicalism by trying to normalize the hate that they are

00:51:03.960 experiencing.

00:51:04.600 Again, there's lots of hate on all sorts of social media sites, but I think there's

00:51:08.940 a difference between public, that is what everybody can see, and private, which is

00:51:13.380 taking place on these Discord chats.

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