Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 23 2025

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00:00:41.120 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:42.340 Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:00:46.820 We are racked and stacked a lot to talk to you about today.

00:00:50.520 Breaking down all the news for you.

00:00:52.540 Trump at the United Nations.

00:00:54.820 Producer Greg, among others.

00:00:56.540 Trump's snarled in endless traffic while bureaucrats from around the planet

00:01:01.360 run up their government expense accounts at our very nice New York City restaurants

00:01:05.660 and block off lots of streets, which makes it impossible to get anywhere.

00:01:10.300 If we're going to have the U.N. on U.S. soil, which I don't really think we should,

00:01:15.300 we should have it in, like, you know, I don't know, Wilmington or Omaha or you name it.

00:01:21.620 It should not be in New York City because it makes everything a mess for the 8 million people

00:01:28.620 who actually live there for the two weeks it's there.

00:01:30.880 I know Omaha listeners, we have a robust audience there.

00:01:33.840 You're yelling at me, absolutely not.

00:01:35.900 Okay, well, maybe Wilmington.

00:01:37.300 I don't know how many Wilmington listeners we have, but it should be in some place.

00:01:40.780 You know, Clay, there's a reason that so many countries have these capitals that they've set up to be the capital.

00:01:48.180 This is true, which is originally true of Washington, D.C., but it's true in a lot of countries more recently,

00:01:54.000 you know, whether it's Brasilia in Brazil or Islamabad,

00:01:57.800 because they want to put all the government infrastructure there and it's just easier.

00:02:02.640 Putting the United Nations in midtown Manhattan is a mess.

00:02:06.020 Anyway, enough of the logistics of that.

00:02:08.160 I've given love to our W.O.R. listeners who have probably had a rough commute.

00:02:12.700 If you can work remote for the next week or two at the U.N.

00:02:15.260 with the U.N. General Assembly going on, you should do so.

00:02:18.160 But Trump was there.

00:02:19.360 He's laying down the law on a whole bunch of things.

00:02:21.440 I love that he is telling people, forget about this climate change nonsense,

00:02:24.820 because this is going to be a moment, Clay, where the libs all of a sudden pretend again to care about climate change.

00:02:30.800 It's one of these rare issues that it is.

00:02:34.300 It's not just that it's a big issue.

00:02:35.980 And we're about to get into Jimmy Kimmel.

00:02:37.260 We're about to get into Kamala's book.

00:02:38.660 We got a million things.

00:02:39.640 I'm a little fired up about you.

00:02:40.940 You reminded me.

00:02:42.120 I meant to mention yesterday about how climate change has vanished.

00:02:45.700 Sunday New York Times magazine cover.

00:02:48.080 Why does no one talk about climate change now?

00:02:50.280 That's hilarious.

00:02:51.280 And I'm paraphrasing it.

00:02:52.260 Because I've been saying this for weeks.

00:02:53.180 That's so funny.

00:02:54.000 They realize.

00:02:54.280 I meant to bring it up yesterday because I was reading the Sunday New York Times.

00:02:57.840 I do it so you don't have to.

00:02:59.300 Much like Buck, this brand new Kamala Harris first edition is going to be reading it so you don't have to.

00:03:03.480 Is it a signed edition?

00:03:04.600 I don't know.

00:03:05.140 It will be when Clay goes to the book event, though.

00:03:08.140 It was a huge cover story.

00:03:12.120 And again, I'm paraphrasing.

00:03:13.560 But basically this Sunday was why do we not talk about climate change anymore?

00:03:17.760 Have we just given up?

00:03:19.080 You know, you're true.

00:03:20.360 You're correct that it has vanished.

00:03:22.540 It went from the thing that they were obsessed with that we didn't care about at all to nobody cares about it to now they're going to pretend they care again.

00:03:28.120 Sort of like also the war in Ukraine.

00:03:31.200 Where are all those Ukraine flags?

00:03:32.880 Ukraine needs the libs that care so much about who controls Donbass now more than ever. 0.99

00:03:38.220 And yet not seeing a lot of that, not seeing a lot, almost like this is a thing that people attach themselves to so that they can feel good about themselves without any actual skin in the game or doing anything.

00:03:49.680 OK, certainly true of climate change, I might add.

00:03:52.720 But we will talk more about what Trump has said at the United Nations.

00:03:56.380 We'll certainly discuss Kamala's book, which is I got to say, it's just everybody just crashing this thing so far.

00:04:05.360 And I don't mean to be clear, usually this book would come out from a Democrat who had just run.

00:04:12.540 And if she had a future, not going to argue with Clay over this today, but we all know how we feel about this.

00:04:16.560 If she had a future, there would be a lot of people in the Democrat establishment who were saying, you know, oh, man, like it just was so tough for her.

00:04:24.640 And and, you know, she's she's a great candidate. 0.92

00:04:26.980 And everyone's saying, wow, it's kind of nasty and really not not so good.

00:04:32.240 And we'll talk about some of the clips and some of her promo for the book.

00:04:35.380 And, yes, I did buy a copy of it, which I feel guilty about.

00:04:38.320 But I had to do it.

00:04:39.140 I team, you know, that that that just is one of these things.

00:04:43.340 I will take one for the team.

00:04:45.560 I don't know what else to tell you.

00:04:47.160 So I'm doing that.

00:04:48.320 And we've also got what else is in the mix here?

00:04:52.800 YouTube, YouTube diving in.

00:04:55.260 This is going to be a big story going forward, because it just is yet another thing that we were right about and told you was happening.

00:05:02.060 And now they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, we were censoring everybody about covid and banning all sorts of people who ended up being right about everything.

00:05:10.040 Our bad, you know, our bad.

00:05:12.340 Sorry.

00:05:13.360 And you're just kind of looking around like I had a personal YouTube channel that shut down, strike, strike, shut down.

00:05:19.060 I mean, over and over again.

00:05:19.940 I stopped with YouTube because I was like, this is crazy because you couldn't even say I could not say don't that mask wearing outside was unnecessary outside, which every single study, all of the data said that that is absolutely worthless and insane.

00:05:37.480 There's no reason.

00:05:38.160 Yes, didn't matter.

00:05:39.540 Masking was a religion, kind of like climate change is a religion for people who think they're too smart for religion, as I've told you.

00:05:45.960 We'll get into all that, though.

00:05:47.220 And, yeah, the YouTube censorship.

00:05:48.360 Speaking of censorship, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel, his his his face painted on walls and and water towers across America.

00:05:59.320 And what what happened to Jimmy Kimmel?

00:06:01.520 He was off the air for four days, four days, four shows, four shows.

00:06:07.240 And Disney brings him right back.

00:06:11.120 This is funny because there have been libs who have canceled there.

00:06:15.620 Here here here's Howard Stern, who's become a huge, very annoying lib.

00:06:19.240 Maybe he always was, but at least now he's really bad.

00:06:22.060 Here he is, 15, saying, well, I'll let you hear it from from this guy.

00:06:26.760 Play 15.

00:06:27.180 I just know when the government begins to interfere, when the government says, I'm not pleased with you, so we're going to orchestrate a way to silence you.

00:06:35.460 It's the wrong direction for our country.

00:06:37.440 And I should know I've been involved in something like this.

00:06:40.700 And now ABC is put in the same position.

00:06:42.880 And it's unfortunate that ABC even has to be in this position.

00:06:45.880 They shouldn't have to be in this position.

00:06:47.400 I feel for them, too, in this.

00:06:48.720 But someone's got to step up and be saying, hey, enough, we're not going to bow now.

00:06:55.920 It might sound stupid, but the thing I did this morning, I'm canceling my Disney Plus.

00:07:01.180 I'm trying to say with the pocketbook that I do not support what they're doing with Jimmy. 0.78

00:07:06.500 OK, can I just point this out?

00:07:08.420 Now we say you canceled Disney, so I guess he's going to resubscribe to Disney off the air for four days.

00:07:13.220 These libs are such babies. 0.93

00:07:14.800 This is not even a scintilla, Clay.

00:07:19.220 This is not even a tiny little sliver of the cancellation and censorship and everything that the right has been dealing with for 20 years now, especially online.

00:07:33.220 And we're supposed to care that Jimmy Kimmel?

00:07:35.400 The government didn't take him off the air.

00:07:37.140 You know how we know that?

00:07:37.920 He's back on the air.

00:07:39.100 I guess the government wasn't so scary after all. 0.90

00:07:41.260 ABC News did this, I think, to protect him because the second round of what he was going to say on air was even dumber than the first. 0.63

00:07:48.480 I think there's truth to that.

00:07:50.480 I have been saying since this all started, and I think people are going to slowly start to recognize this is about Disney trying to buy the NFL network.

00:07:59.920 I'm sorry.

00:08:00.500 Jimmy Kimmel is just a pawn here.

00:08:02.200 I think if Disney could just do away with almost all news, I think they would, because they've basically done it at ESPN.

00:08:11.340 ESPN breaks no news now.

00:08:13.180 They're in bed with the NFL.

00:08:15.140 They're in bed with the SEC.

00:08:16.920 They're in bed with the NBA.

00:08:18.980 Every time they break news, it just hurts their business partners.

00:08:22.460 And so they're basically just a glorified middleman when it comes to sports.

00:08:27.100 And then I think Disney just wants to make, look, left-wing, unfortunate programming.

00:08:33.140 But I don't think they actually want to do news.

00:08:35.760 I think if they could sell ABC News and get out of the news business completely, I think it's just a mess to them.

00:08:42.280 It doesn't make any money.

00:08:44.020 Jimmy Kimmel's show loses money.

00:08:46.180 At this point, if you were just analyzing aspects of their business, this creates way more headaches than it does provide profits.

00:08:54.500 And that's a bad combination, and I think they want out.

00:08:57.960 You know, I got to say, when I'm at the gym, Clay, down to 190, by the way.

00:09:03.240 I'm coming for you, buddy.

00:09:04.280 Where are you, 185?

00:09:04.740 Yeah, you're going to catch me.

00:09:06.120 You want 85?

00:09:07.460 Yeah.

00:09:08.120 I don't know.

00:09:09.040 I saw you putting away that ham sandwich the other day.

00:09:11.300 I'm thinking 187, maybe.

00:09:12.800 But anyway, yes.

00:09:15.480 By the way, I have to respect.

00:09:17.160 One thing about Clay.

00:09:18.380 You all know Clay is Clay.

00:09:21.160 And he's been a very successful entrepreneur, put it that way.

00:09:25.820 He will still drink a big, old bottle of Mountain Dew in our studio.

00:09:30.800 He is the only person I know, the only human being I know, who in his 40s drinks Mountain Dew.

00:09:37.520 So I got to say, Clay does not change one bit.

00:09:40.700 Lara has gotten me to give up soda.

00:09:43.960 Did I just blow you up in front of the line?

00:09:45.560 Well, I occasionally will have a soda, but it is super unhealthy.

00:09:50.780 I get ripped all the time for the clothes that I wear, for the food choices that I make.

00:09:59.200 I really haven't changed very much since I was like 18, for better or worse, when it comes to what I wear or what I eat.

00:10:05.860 So I would just say, I'll back to the Kimmelfig for a second, because I was saying, when I go to the gym, and I've gotten on 190 now, whenever I see the screen, it's always sports in my gym.

00:10:17.960 They don't allow Fox News.

00:10:19.340 Only sports are on all day.

00:10:20.700 They don't have any news, to be fair, really.

00:10:22.040 Maybe CNN's on sometimes.

00:10:23.540 I got to talk to them about that.

00:10:24.860 But I see what the headlines are, and it's never news about sports.

00:10:31.520 It's always just people having inane discussions.

00:10:35.440 Like, is so-and-so, and I know you know all these people and their backgrounds, I mean, the people they're talking about.

00:10:40.160 But it's always, is so-and-so's new coaching contract, like, too much or just about right?

00:10:46.020 And then you have adults sitting around talking.

00:10:48.540 I'm like, who cares?

00:10:49.400 Like, what is this?

00:10:50.540 You're talking about someone else's coaching pay.

00:10:52.880 And they'll have four people at a table, and I can just see, because it's all scrolling with the text.

00:10:58.120 I'm like, I cannot believe there are adults having this conversation, and this is, like, a thing that they're doing on this show.

00:11:03.040 Who cares?

00:11:04.120 But I have even noticed that it's not sports reporting anymore.

00:11:09.000 They're not breaking news about the sports industry.

00:11:12.000 It's like, who's better?

00:11:12.940 You know, it's all versions of who's better, LeBron or Jordan.

00:11:15.220 It's all, you know, I take this side, you take that side of inane argument at ESPN.

00:11:20.280 And I think it's just because you're right about how they really just want to be a middleman broadcasting of live sports with a lot of chatter in between.

00:11:29.000 The worst thing for them would be to blow up one of their franchise properties because they do a story that knocks a really good, talented player out of being able to be on television for them.

00:11:41.100 Because it costs them money.

00:11:42.000 Speaking of being on television, I now have an FS1 show where I sit around and talk about all the inane sports things that airs at 6 p.m. Eastern.

00:11:51.560 I didn't even know that.

00:11:52.720 I got to watch at the gym now.

00:11:55.500 Every Wednesday, if you're working out at 6 p.m. FS1, you'll just see me.

00:12:00.420 This is actually pretty funny.

00:12:01.900 It's just me sitting and making sports arguments.

00:12:03.920 I don't have anybody that I'm debating.

00:12:05.380 It's just me in my own head.

00:12:07.080 Laura, today, this is 100% true.

00:12:09.400 We're taping it.

00:12:10.180 We tape it a day early.

00:12:12.040 She said, what time are you taping?

00:12:13.460 I was like, oh, maybe she wants to come up, pay attention, see the sports arguments.

00:12:17.860 I was like, oh, 2.30.

00:12:19.880 She said, okay.

00:12:21.280 I was like, you got something going on?

00:12:23.280 She was like, no, I just want to make sure that we have someone putting makeup on you. 1.00

00:12:28.360 I was like, well, I've been doing television for a long time.

00:12:32.160 I don't ever wear makeup unless I'm in a studio.

00:12:34.600 She was like, yeah, but this one, they really kind of zoom in on you.

00:12:37.700 This is all 100% true.

00:12:41.420 And I was like, so you're telling me I have to wear makeup?

00:12:43.900 She was like, yeah, yeah, I think you have to wear makeup. 0.80

00:12:46.620 So this is, I will be made up, but I usually am never in makeup for any hit.

00:12:53.620 But Laura was like, no, the camera's too HD. 1.00

00:12:56.260 They're too close.

00:12:56.920 They really zoom in on you.

00:12:58.020 You need to have makeup on.

00:12:59.400 She's just looking out for you.

00:13:01.000 Someone's got to tell you the hard truths, Clay.

00:13:02.980 And Laura's ready.

00:13:03.940 She's ready for it.

00:13:04.720 And I will say this, Jimmy Kimmel back on the air.

00:13:07.580 We both said this was going to happen.

00:13:09.360 So we knew this was going to happen.

00:13:11.440 I pointed out immediately when this happened, I said, guys, it's an indefinite suspension.

00:13:15.140 That does not mean, and even the White House was saying, oh, he's been canceled.

00:13:18.280 He's, you know, his show has been canceled.

00:13:19.380 No, it hasn't.

00:13:20.160 He's back on the air.

00:13:21.740 Very curious to see if there's, I don't think they'll really, my guess is there won't really

00:13:25.400 be any shift in the ratings.

00:13:26.660 But to me, Clay, more than anything else, this just goes to show you, libs have no idea

00:13:31.480 what actual censorship and being shut down is because they don't experience it.

00:13:35.880 And the moment that they can even make a fake argument, in my opinion, this was always a 0.99

00:13:40.360 ABC was always driving this shit. 0.99

00:13:42.540 It was not the Trump administration that was at the helm here. 1.00

00:13:46.160 And and the fact that they tried to make this argument so quickly and so, you know, so

00:13:51.340 vociferously just goes to show you they're a bunch of crybabies and they just want different

00:13:55.880 rules for us and different rules for them.

00:13:57.400 And unfortunately, they still have it at ABC.

00:13:59.380 One wrinkle here that is not being talked about very much, but is still in play.

00:14:05.540 Nextar and Sinclair are not carrying it.

00:14:09.860 So, for instance, in Nashville, my ABC affiliate, I won't be able to watch the Jimmy Kimmel show.

00:14:17.240 And many of you out there that have either a Sinclair or Nextar affiliate, you wouldn't

00:14:22.920 know unless you put your television on at 1130 p.m.

00:14:26.660 Eastern, 1030 Central.

00:14:28.660 You wouldn't really know whether or not probably who your affiliate is.

00:14:33.140 But that is something that I think could still be an issue, because around 35 percent of

00:14:39.340 viewers nationwide will not have access to this show.

00:14:43.520 And I'm curious somewhat to see what he says.

00:14:45.520 I'll tell you what I think he should say when we come back.

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00:16:28.220 All right, let's talk Kamala for a little bit.

00:16:32.660 Because she's on her book tour.

00:16:34.520 You all remember Kamala Harris.

00:16:35.520 She was the vice president for four years.

00:16:37.060 She was disastrous in every role they pretended to give her. 1.00

00:16:40.800 She didn't even have to do anything.

00:16:43.040 She just had to not make it clear that she had no idea about the thing that she had been made in charge of,

00:16:49.840 or the czar of, like the border.

00:16:51.720 We all remember, we've been to the border.

00:16:54.160 And Lester Holt being like, lady, you haven't been to the border.

00:16:57.380 Like, you can't.

00:16:58.040 You know, there's only so much we can do for you here at, what is that, ABC News, right?

00:17:02.220 NBC, I think.

00:17:03.280 NBC.

00:17:03.600 If Lester Holt lights you up, I mean, that's like, you know, that's like Al Roker.

00:17:08.480 That's like Mr. Rogers throwing an elbow and hit you right in the jaw.

00:17:11.220 You know, that's tough.

00:17:11.940 Like, you know, like if you were walking down the street and you bumped into Al Roker and he, like, just beat you up,

00:17:18.520 you'd be like, I don't feel good about your chances to defend yourself against anybody.

00:17:22.840 I mean, when you get bodied by Lester Holt, you're probably not a very serious politician.

00:17:26.380 Old school Al would have had a little more weight to throw behind it, but, you know, to be fair.

00:17:30.720 But now, yeah, now you can't, you can't get, you can't get slapped around by him.

00:17:34.920 We have so much about Kamala that's worth discussing.

00:17:40.940 And let's just go back to this one, because her book is out now.

00:17:44.960 And remember, if you're like Buck, why do we care?

00:17:47.060 Well, first of all, there's an election coming up in a year, basically, 15 months or so.

00:17:52.880 You're going to start to see people at the exploratory committees and raising money.

00:17:56.920 So it's not that far out.

00:17:58.480 But even beyond that, who's the leader of the Democrat Party right now?

00:18:01.640 And we talk about this day to day because we know there's opposition to Trump and the Republicans out there.

00:18:08.080 We know that they actually got a lot of votes in this last election.

00:18:10.480 We're not forgetting about that, but there has to be some group of people, if not one person, who are really driving the, you know, driving the boat or, you know, making making the decisions about where the party's going.

00:18:26.080 And it's very unclear right now in a way that it has never been.

00:18:28.740 We we have lived, Clay, right through the era of Clinton's Obama's Biden's a little bit.

00:18:36.240 But, you know, there have been these names in politics like we all knew who the top Democrats were, more or less, for the last 20 years, who the big names were.

00:18:46.860 And, you know, there was a little period where you had some, you know, John Kerry was making a play for it.

00:18:51.180 Right. And there have been some others.

00:18:53.220 But now we don't know.

00:18:55.060 And it's worth noting that they don't know either.

00:18:57.200 And it's fun to watch the scramble here on The View, trying to trying to push her book.

00:19:02.700 And I'm sure she wants to sell a lot of copies because Kamala wants to make money. 1.00

00:19:06.240 The View host, Sonny Hostin, who I am told reliably, by the way, Clay, from a source very close to the show, is incredibly hostile to both staff and fellow panelists on that.

00:19:19.240 Does that surprise you at all?

00:19:20.460 Nope.

00:19:21.120 But I was just told that recently.

00:19:22.580 I cannot I cannot divulge sources.

00:19:24.300 But she is a the story I am told that she is a nightmare to deal with for everybody, everybody on that show and set.

00:19:33.300 So all the like we love each other stuff is nonsense.

00:19:36.360 If you had to pick one who is impossible, it's her.

00:19:40.000 I think by far.

00:19:42.120 I don't even think there would be a close second. 0.98

00:19:44.360 Look, I think that Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar often say and make moronic arguments. 0.85

00:19:49.480 But they are, to be fair, comedians in background. 0.99

00:19:52.880 Sonny is arrogant and dumb, which is a bad combination because she has no idea what she's talking about. 0.99

00:20:00.280 This is one of the things like Notre Dame. 1.00

00:20:02.240 Yeah, there's like a bitterness to her, too, all the time.

00:20:05.140 Notre Dame law school should ask for the J.D. back. 0.99

00:20:08.200 I don't I she is. 0.97

00:20:10.380 She is awful and she seems awful. 0.94

00:20:13.380 So that does not surprise me at all.

00:20:15.640 So you will recall a little throwback here, a little throwback Tuesday to October 8th of 2024.

00:20:22.900 So coming up on almost exactly a year ago, that's also the other part of this, right?

00:20:26.940 It was a year ago that they were telling us Kamala's great vote for Kamala.

00:20:31.820 You got to vote for Kamala.

00:20:34.520 We could tell they're like, do you really want to vote for Kamala, though?

00:20:38.120 Do you really want?

00:20:38.920 Not really.

00:20:39.840 But here was about a year ago.

00:20:41.720 Kamala, when asked on The View by Sonny Hostin, if she would do anything differently.

00:20:47.040 And this was magnifique perfection play.

00:20:50.800 If anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years?

00:20:57.240 There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of and I've been a part of of of most of the decisions that have had impact.

00:21:06.280 Clay.

00:21:07.680 Clay.

00:21:08.760 That was I mean, that was a moment where I was feeling so good about the prediction that he was going to do even better against against Kamala that Trump was than he did against Hillary.

00:21:16.460 She did you want? 1.00

00:21:17.460 She was react to that again.

00:21:20.240 I mean, Kamala has had and even back then had months to prepare for every possible question that could be answered, could be asked.

00:21:30.560 This is not a very difficult proposition.

00:21:33.540 You and I, you're going to have your book coming out in in in January.

00:21:37.360 I'll have my book coming out in November.

00:21:39.260 We will be asked hundreds of questions as part of book promotion, and we will have had no preparation.

00:21:45.920 We'll have no whiteboarding. 0.89

00:21:47.600 We'll have no team that sits around and just sketches out what our answers to questions should be because we're not morons. 0.96

00:21:55.420 This was an inevitable and totally expected question that she bungled. 0.59

00:22:00.660 And then she's talking about it now.

00:22:02.420 She's promoting. 0.92

00:22:03.220 She went back on for the first time.

00:22:05.100 And I don't even know what the conversation was, but we've got audio of Sonny Austin following up for play it.

00:22:12.440 I asked you if there was anything you would have done differently than President Biden during the past four years.

00:22:18.480 And you said, quote, there is not a thing that comes to mind, end quote.

00:22:24.260 You write you had no idea.

00:22:25.820 You just pulled the pin on a hand grenade in the moment I knew.

00:22:30.440 The Trump campaign weaponized your answer against you, my question.

00:22:35.600 And some, including James Carville and Jake Tapper, point to that answer as a turning point in your candidacy.

00:22:43.120 Do you think that moment tipped the election?

00:22:46.600 No.

00:22:47.820 Good, because Sonny wasn't going to take the blame.

00:22:53.020 Can I point something out, Clay?

00:22:54.760 Just in the lack of logic that even Sonny Austin in that one little moment shows us.

00:23:00.100 She knows that it's a horrible answer herself.

00:23:04.600 She said that.

00:23:05.480 She knew right away, oh, my God, Kamala's answer is absolutely atrocious.

00:23:08.920 But then she goes to, and Republicans weaponized. 0.56

00:23:12.280 Weaponized meaning like they, what, they took it out of context?

00:23:14.940 They were unfair?

00:23:15.420 No. 0.99

00:23:15.780 If you knew it was a moronic answer, Sonny, everybody knew it was a moronic answer. 0.99

00:23:21.200 They didn't weaponize her answer. 0.99

00:23:23.440 They just used her answer.

00:23:25.400 Yes. 1.00

00:23:26.200 She weaponized the answer by being a moron. 1.00

00:23:30.100 So I jotted down on my little yellow notepad, weaponized your answer, which you just hit. 0.99

00:23:35.440 Second part there that I also jotted down.

00:23:38.340 Everybody laughed because they know that Sonny Austin is not there to actually do journalism.

00:23:45.960 She's there to burnish Kamala Harris's credentials. 1.00

00:23:48.800 Play that cut again because the weaponized answer is interesting, but the joke that everybody

00:23:55.300 laughs at, because it's true, is Sonny Austin didn't want to do anything that might in any

00:24:01.700 way harm Kamala Harris's candidacy. 0.99

00:24:04.440 And all of the audience understands it, too.

00:24:06.860 Play that cut one more time because I think it just goes to the failure of the view of all

00:24:14.480 things to actually have a wide variety of views is one of the issues that I think ABC News is

00:24:22.820 dealing with in general.

00:24:23.940 Let's play that one more time.

00:24:24.880 I asked you if there was anything you would have done differently than President Biden during the

00:24:30.220 past four years.

00:24:31.280 And you said, quote, there is not a thing that comes to mind and quote, you write you had no idea.

00:24:38.520 You just pulled the pin on a hand grenade in the moment I knew the Trump campaign weaponized your

00:24:45.240 answer against you, my question, and some, including James Carville and Jake Tapper, point to that answer

00:24:53.240 as a turning point in your candidacy.

00:24:55.100 Do you think that moment tipped the election?

00:24:59.380 No.

00:25:00.720 Good, because Sonny wasn't going to take the blame.

00:25:05.640 I don't think it tipped the election.

00:25:09.180 I just think it was solidifying.

00:25:11.280 I think, Clay, if anything, that was a straw that broke the camel's back situation.

00:25:15.540 I don't think that it was.

00:25:17.060 It's not like everybody thought Kamala was great and then she said that and they said, whoa, where did that

00:25:21.520 come from? 0.99

00:25:22.040 It was, oh, my God, she's as dumb and unprepared as we thought she was this whole time. 1.00

00:25:27.200 And even people who maybe were open to I'll vote either way had to see that and say, this 1.00

00:25:34.140 is preposterous.

00:25:35.820 I also think and you're going to be the expert on this because you have bought and downloaded

00:25:39.900 the newest Kamala book.

00:25:42.080 You know how you when you finished your book and certainly when I finished my book, at some

00:25:46.980 point you've gone over it enough times that it's hard to see it with a fresh eye.

00:25:52.040 Because you poured over it so much.

00:25:54.200 I think one of the most challenging aspects I would bet of making a movie, certainly I

00:25:57.960 know, writing a book is eventually seeing it as a fresh reader will.

00:26:03.300 I think that is where instincts politically matter.

00:26:06.640 And what I have read already of the reviews of Kamala's book is that I think she didn't understand

00:26:14.480 how much distaste there was for Joe Biden.

00:26:18.460 And she didn't think she had given a bad answer to that question.

00:26:23.040 And her advisers might not have realized it was a bad answer either because they're so

00:26:28.320 close to the Biden administration that they've lost perspective on how it looks to the larger

00:26:34.140 voting public.

00:26:35.520 And they thought she needed to ally herself with Biden because he was popular enough that

00:26:41.640 she couldn't show any distinction between herself and him.

00:26:46.480 She she should have if she were a skilled politician, she would have known that the single 1.00

00:26:51.600 biggest vulnerability the Democrats had in this last election was the 10 million people

00:26:56.560 who poured into the country via illegal and and fraudulent means.

00:27:00.720 And if she had said, you know, we if she was a skilled politician, she would have said

00:27:06.960 something, in my opinion, Clay, like, you know, Joe Biden, we had so many victories and

00:27:10.840 and, you know, there's I don't want to forget about those.

00:27:14.940 But I would say that given the realities of the complexities of our immigration system,

00:27:20.120 we needed to have that reform done earlier to make sure that only, you know, the the legitimate 0.79

00:27:27.540 asylum seekers and the best and the brightest, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:27:30.700 And that's what we'll do in my next term is is to figure out how we're only getting

00:27:36.000 or how we are getting not only getting, you know, great immigrants from all over the world.

00:27:40.440 You know, some, by the way, this audience is not going to like that answer, but that's

00:27:43.540 an answer that could have worked.

00:27:44.660 That's the point. 0.72

00:27:45.580 Instead, you just said nonsense.

00:27:47.380 I don't even think the answer is that hard.

00:27:49.400 If you are a decent politician, I think the answer to that question is Joe Biden did a lot

00:27:54.640 of things.

00:27:55.120 We took over an economy and disaster because of the awful leadership.

00:28:00.080 I'm answering it as if I were Kamala, the awful leadership of Donald Trump, who failed

00:28:04.900 to lead us well during covid.

00:28:07.060 We took over a dumpster fire.

00:28:09.140 First thing we had to do was put the fire out.

00:28:12.000 I understand that people feel like they haven't seen the results of the work we've done yet.

00:28:16.800 That's what I'm here to do.

00:28:18.180 We put the fire out.

00:28:19.360 We're put America back on its feet.

00:28:21.560 And we are working towards getting things infinitely better.

00:28:25.620 So there are a lot of things that I think we both could have done better.

00:28:29.080 I think we did a much better job than Trump.

00:28:30.960 And I know we're going to do a much better job in the next four years.

00:28:34.000 Look, that's me off the cuff answering that question.

00:28:37.080 And that's a great non answer.

00:28:39.020 That's a great non answer answer.

00:28:40.420 But that's all she had to do.

00:28:41.740 Right.

00:28:42.180 Is say something like we've done great things.

00:28:43.940 We're going to do more great things.

00:28:45.020 You don't say I can't think of anything because that makes you seem like an empty vessel.

00:28:49.160 Not only that, it actually makes you endorse every decision that has been made as opposed to saying, again, I would pivot and attack Trump in that answer.

00:29:00.140 He's so bad we took over a dumpster fire.

00:29:03.160 The first thing you have to do is put out the fire and it takes a while for the results of the work we're doing.

00:29:08.980 I'm a younger version of Joe Biden.

00:29:11.060 I'm going to do a better job connecting with the American public going forward.

00:29:14.240 But I think we put the country on great footing.

00:29:16.540 Any answer like that, it vanishes.

00:29:19.060 Nobody pays attention to it.

00:29:20.400 Look, I'll say this and people will get mad at me, but that's OK because you all know that it's true.

00:29:24.640 Whatever you may think of Sarah Palin, the answer with Katie Couric was a similar.

00:29:29.580 It was when someone asks you, what do you read?

00:29:32.380 You say something.

00:29:33.880 You say something.

00:29:34.980 You don't say things like I read things basically or, you know, or what do you mean by that?

00:29:40.560 Right now, you can say that's unfair.

00:29:42.700 No one is, you know, I've trashed Katie Couric more than probably anybody else on the right these days. 0.62

00:29:47.220 I mean, I still think that the fact that she got as far as she did in her career, she's just a ruthless mediocrity. 0.99

00:29:52.240 But I'm just saying that was a bad answer from Sarah Palin.

00:29:54.500 So you can't do that.

00:29:57.200 You can't have the non-answer to the question.

00:29:59.300 That's an obvious question you should be ready for because even passers-by in politics pick up on that and go, oh, that wasn't good.

00:30:08.340 And your job is to do two things as president.

00:30:11.420 Make decisions and communicate.

00:30:13.500 That's really it.

00:30:14.640 Now, there are complexities associated with it.

00:30:17.260 If you can't answer basic questions, your job as a communicator, let's leave aside the fact that I think Kamala would have been an awful decision-maker too. 0.64

00:30:25.840 But if you can't even communicate answers to basic questions, then you're in real trouble.

00:30:31.860 Trump is an elite communicator.

00:30:33.920 I think he's making really good decisions too.

00:30:36.720 But those are the two jobs of the president.

00:30:39.800 And if you can't do both at a high level, you're going to fail.

00:30:42.940 And Biden was awful at everything.

00:30:45.020 He would have done better going full Costanza buck and just taking the opposite of every choice he made.

00:30:49.960 The country would have been better off.

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00:32:11.720 Patriots, radio hosts, a couple of regular guys, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

00:32:18.220 Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:32:23.280 Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:32:26.420 Okay, this is something that is significant that I think actually ties in quite a bit with the Jimmy Kimmel story.

00:32:34.920 So, Jimmy Kimmel is going to be back on air, much of the nation, but not if you have a Nexstar or a Sinclair affiliate carrying your ABC station.

00:32:45.340 I have a Nexstar affiliate here in Nashville, so I will not get Jimmy Kimmel's show tonight.

00:32:52.240 Some of you will, some of you will not.

00:32:55.320 It will return.

00:32:56.160 I'm sure we'll be talking about what he will say there.

00:32:59.440 But there has been a massive outpouring of attention on Jimmy Kimmel not having his show.

00:33:06.100 He was preempted, suspended, whatever phrase you want to use, from the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Monday editions of his program.

00:33:15.080 And he is now going to be back on air on Tuesday.

00:33:18.420 So, he missed four shows.

00:33:20.300 You would think that it was the largest, most significant attack on free speech that we have ever seen based on the response from the left.

00:33:28.500 So, Jimmy misses four shows.

00:33:29.920 Similarly, if you care about free speech, a story that is almost going to get no attention whatsoever, but I think is one of the most significant of the 21st century, and that is YouTube has admitted that it censored conservative speakers on their platform at the behest of the Biden administration.

00:33:53.040 We're going to talk to Jim Jordan about this tomorrow, but Buck, let me just give you a sense for how this went down as someone who ran a media company and needed to be making money on YouTube, as many media companies do.

00:34:08.220 Every time I mentioned the COVID shot and said, hey, I don't think you should get the COVID shot, I don't think you need it if you're young and healthy, all these things which have been proven to be true.

00:34:24.000 You mentioned masking.

00:34:25.420 Every time I said things like wearing a mask when you walk into a restaurant and then taking it off when you sit down at the table is nonsensical, we would get strikes.

00:34:35.880 And when we got strikes, they would prevent us from monetizing our content.

00:34:43.720 And at one point in time, because Tommy Lahren is also one of our employees at Outkick, at one point in time, they suspended us.

00:34:53.340 I believe it was for a month from being able to make any money at all.

00:34:58.020 And they now are saying, hey, we shouldn't have done that.

00:35:01.440 And we'll talk about it with Jim Jordan, but this is actual free speech being attacked.

00:35:09.460 And unlike Jimmy Kimmel, who would have the opportunity to miss four days and come back and he's making millions of dollars, many people out there, including you, Buck, were curtailed significantly, including me, including the company that I ran, Outkick,

00:35:25.100 because we were willing to say the truth about the COVID shot and about wearing masks and about all of this such that this is what they did.

00:35:35.780 This is crazy, but I'm just I'm taking you behind the curtain.

00:35:39.080 I sold the company in twenty twenty one.

00:35:41.960 They stopped allowing my show to air live.

00:35:45.200 And they would edit out any reference that I happened to make to COVID shots, to masking, to to schools being closed, all those things, and then post it so they could monetize the other aspects of the show.

00:36:02.900 Think about how crazy that is.

00:36:04.720 That is what and again, this was the company to try to make money, to pay people salaries.

00:36:10.660 YouTube is a huge driver of revenue for virtually every media company in the country.

00:36:15.420 Now, they would not air my show live because we were getting so many strikes that were disallowing us from being able to monetize this damages.

00:36:25.420 It might be in the billions of dollars that, quote unquote, conservative, I would just say common sense YouTubers were dealing with for simply questioning whether we needed to be mandating shots, whether they made sense.

00:36:42.360 They essentially took the Biden administration and did what the Biden administration would not be able to do, which is censor political speech.

00:36:51.520 They would do it again.

00:36:54.060 Yes.

00:36:54.460 That's a part of this that we all know.

00:36:55.720 That's very frustrating.

00:36:56.580 They're just backing off right now because they don't want the eye of Trump to focus in on them too closely in this moment while our team, so to speak, is in power.

00:37:08.560 That's so, you know, it's hard to feel good about this other than we were right.

00:37:13.600 And, you know, I had I had a, you know, small YouTube channel that got shut down.

00:37:18.300 And it was the kind of thing where you get a strike or two and then you don't want to deal with it anymore.

00:37:22.900 And so you just stop.

00:37:24.220 You know, it was I was doing a radio show at the time, but I was trying to also just put stuff out, Clay, on YouTube separately.

00:37:30.100 And I just realized this is nonsense.

00:37:32.340 I mean, I had a whole PolitiFact story on me about masks and other things, you know, just trying to trash me.

00:37:38.700 And Facebook, by the way, the same thing.

00:37:40.580 Shut down on Facebook.

00:37:41.880 Anyway, I'm not this isn't what was me.

00:37:43.900 They did it to a lot of people in our space.

00:37:45.940 In fact, if they didn't do it to you and you're a conservative, I would wonder, like, where were you during covid and how are you in any way useful?

00:37:54.280 But these these companies, they're admitting it now, like I said, because we're of where the wind is blowing.

00:38:01.180 They would.

00:38:01.880 We should not have any illusions.

00:38:03.480 They would do this again in a heartbeat.

00:38:05.500 And there's it's not a fair game.

00:38:07.860 It's a rigged game on YouTube.

00:38:10.100 It's a rigged game on Facebook.

00:38:11.840 It has been for years and rigged against people who are right of center.

00:38:16.180 So that is is very frustrating because these platforms because they were dishonest about it and they got really big.

00:38:23.440 And this is something that else that I think everyone needs to understand.

00:38:26.360 YouTube and Facebook in the early days, they were OK.

00:38:31.480 We're going to allow different perspectives.

00:38:33.260 And it was essentially like a free speech within the law, which is what it should always be.

00:38:37.260 And people say, oh, but, you know, you shouldn't be able to just have copyrighted material or, oh, you shouldn't be able to have, you know, material that's illegal.

00:38:44.420 Of course, no one's no one's saying that this is about I don't like the content I'm going to and I'm going to block the audience from seeing it and artificially shut it down, which is what they did.

00:38:56.740 And they did it for purely partisan purposes.

00:38:59.020 They should be ashamed.

00:39:00.360 They're not ashamed.

00:39:01.240 I'll point this out to you.

00:39:02.100 They don't care.

00:39:03.240 They're just doing what's smart for them right now.

00:39:06.180 But for a lot of us, man, this is a, well, this is a reminder of what we're up against and the kind of stuff that they were pulling and everything we said that they were doing was true.

00:39:17.120 This show.

00:39:19.300 YouTube refused to allow us to post our Rand Paul interview because of his US senator and an MD, a medical doctor and a senator would not let us put it on the Internet running for reelection.

00:39:32.100 When in theory, whatever you think about Rand Paul, you should want every single aspect of his political views to be as widely distributed as possible.

00:39:41.380 They took down our interview with President Trump from Bedminster YouTube.

00:39:46.160 Now, I want all of you to go subscribe to YouTube Clay and Buck right now.

00:39:51.840 But I guarantee you, we are still minimized in distribution and algorithmic success because the problem.

00:40:00.260 The ghosts in the machine linger for a long time afterwards.

00:40:03.020 Once once you're in YouTube jail, you can basically never get out.

00:40:06.920 That's the issue.

00:40:07.880 Once they decide that you're you're on the naughty list, you don't get because it's all about the algorithmic showing of shows to people so you can get more subscribers and so that your own audience can see it.

00:40:20.200 When they decide that they're going to limit your reach, you're done.

00:40:24.620 They put you they put you in jail here, by the way, is what the House Judiciary Committee and Jim Jordan put out just specifically.

00:40:31.840 So, you know, the Biden administration, Google admitted the following to the House Judiciary Committee.

00:40:38.300 One, the Biden administration pressured Google to censor Americans and remove content that did not violate YouTube's policies.

00:40:46.900 Two, the Biden administration censorship pressure was, quote, unacceptable and wrong.

00:40:53.720 Three, public debate should never come at the expense of a lot of relying authorities for the company will never use third party fact checkers and Europe censor five Europe censorship laws targeting American companies and threatening American speech, including the removal of lawful content.

00:41:16.020 And again, we'll talk with Jim Jordan about this tomorrow.

00:41:20.600 But this is great.

00:41:22.540 We talked about it on this program.

00:41:24.460 Some of you will remember it.

00:41:26.240 But sitting United States Senator Rand Paul interviewed on this program, not allowed to be posted on YouTube.

00:41:33.320 President Trump, when we sat down with him at Bedminster and interviewed him, they would not allow us to post that entire interview.

00:41:41.660 Can I just the Rand Paul issue as well had to do with with COVID and Fauci?

00:41:46.720 Rand Paul is a practicing medical doctor.

00:41:49.600 Yes.

00:41:50.160 He is an actual MD and a U.S.

00:41:52.240 Senator.

00:41:52.680 And they didn't let us post the interview on YouTube because it went against their their communist guidelines.

00:41:59.040 I mean, they're the absurdity.

00:42:00.300 Right.

00:42:00.740 I mean, they went full Beijing on us with this stuff and just decided what could and couldn't be said.

00:42:05.560 And, you know, it really YouTube showed us who they are.

00:42:10.040 I mean, I don't know.

00:42:10.860 You know, look, I know I said that.

00:42:12.320 I said, well, subscribe to our YouTube channel.

00:42:14.000 We'll use all the tools at our disposal to get the message out as far as we can, as fast as we can while we have them.

00:42:21.240 So I make no apologies for that, to be clear.

00:42:24.080 So, yeah, we want to build up a YouTube presence now while we can, as long as we can, because we believe in what we say and we think people need to hear it.

00:42:30.780 But is there trust is there trust that has been built with these entities that can only be done over time that can only happen if they allow us to build up the audience that we know we can have.

00:42:42.200 But we have millions of radio listeners.

00:42:43.860 Clay, we're going to, you know, we've been shadow banned on YouTube for a long time.

00:42:48.280 Now they're telling us it's gone.

00:42:50.020 Well, now let's see if it's gone.

00:42:51.860 I would also point out you will probably not hear a word from anybody who has been screaming about Jimmy Kimmel's free speech.

00:43:00.780 We're actually discussing Google admitting that YouTube, which Google owns YouTube, that the Biden administration pressured Google slash YouTube to restrict a lot of videos out there and cost conservative media companies hundreds of millions of dollars and maybe billions.

00:43:21.900 And my concern is what you just laid out, Buck.

00:43:25.720 Yeah, they're doing this when Trump is in office now.

00:43:28.480 Is that going to change whenever we have a Democrat back in the White House? 0.99

00:43:31.960 Probably.

00:43:32.640 And this is where this matters.

00:43:34.420 The Supreme Court whiffed on this one.

00:43:37.600 The Supreme Court had this case, and it was, I think, one of the most important First Amendment cases that they have had in my life.

00:43:45.400 The Biden administration on Facebook, on YouTube, all over the Internet, these social media companies, they restricted speech by a third party.

00:43:58.420 If you can deputize something that the government cannot do, the government can't restrict your in mind speech.

00:44:05.920 If the government does it through a third party, then they're just deputizing someone else to do what they could not do.

00:44:14.620 That's exactly what happened during COVID.

00:44:16.940 And there was an opportunity.

00:44:18.800 Yeah, one of the worst Supreme Court decisions.

00:44:20.360 I think we have six three.

00:44:21.720 One of the worst Supreme Court decisions we have seen in a long time.

00:44:24.180 And if I went back and read through the decision, Clay, you know, I scanned through it quickly.

00:44:28.700 I don't have enough time to read the whole thing again, but I went through just to remind myself of it.

00:44:32.940 And it was a lot of, but can you really prove that Biden pushed them?

00:44:36.940 And can you really prove there was a harm?

00:44:39.420 And can you really tell me they won't do this again or they will do this again?

00:44:43.320 And it's like, well, nothing is certain, guys, but I think it's pretty clear what happened here.

00:44:47.740 Yeah, they did these things.

00:44:49.400 I mean, Jen Psaki threatened the companies from the White House press briefing and all of the emails illustrate what they were doing.

00:44:56.700 The fact that this was not an opportunity, that the Supreme Court didn't take this opportunity to say stridently, this is unacceptable and we're not going to stand for it.

00:45:07.560 I think it's a failure of this current Supreme Court.

00:45:11.100 I think it's their biggest win so far.

00:45:12.480 Amy Coney Barrett and Roberts let you down, Clay.

00:45:15.120 That's not the first or the last time, unfortunately.

00:45:18.700 Sadly, and this goes to, I don't think they understand the Internet that well.

00:45:24.300 And I don't mean that as a huge insult.

00:45:26.700 Most 70-something-year-old people and most 60-something-year-old people don't really understand how the Internet works.

00:45:33.920 I think I understand pretty well how the Internet works.

00:45:36.940 I don't understand admiralty law very well.

00:45:39.280 It's hard to be an expert on everything.

00:45:41.580 They whiffed here, though.

00:45:42.480 Yeah, well, it is the public square now because it is so much faster and more powerful than printing out a pamphlet and handing it out to people in the town square.

00:45:52.740 Online is the town square now.

00:45:54.520 If you don't have free speech online, you don't have it meaningfully anywhere.

00:46:00.360 And that's what I think they don't really grasp.

00:46:04.460 They still think, like, well, Thomas Paine and his pamphlets.

00:46:07.460 It's like Thomas Paine would be all over the Internet if he were around today.

00:46:11.360 It would be a very different world he'd be operating in.

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00:48:45.020 We've had Trump at the U.N. this morning saying the Trumpy things.

00:48:50.360 Very, very good stuff from our commander in chief.

00:48:53.900 We shall get into some of that here momentarily.

00:48:57.540 But I would ask for a moment here.

00:49:02.420 I just wanted to throw this in the mix before too much time has passed, Clay.

00:49:07.000 And put out maybe a call for any of our New Jersey listeners to email us or VIPs email us.

00:49:15.300 Or send in some talkbacks from New Jersey.

00:49:17.340 And we'll get to some of them later on about this.

00:49:19.900 Because there are gubernatorial races that are underway.

00:49:23.380 Some of them are going to be hotly contested in important states, places like Virginia.

00:49:27.620 We had Winsome Sears on.

00:49:29.300 She's lieutenant governor.

00:49:30.180 Very impressive woman. 0.88

00:49:31.900 But in New Jersey, remember, New Jersey was a much closer election.

00:49:39.220 What was it, Clay?

00:49:39.920 It was not this, but it was in the off year that Glenn Youngkin had.

00:49:45.380 It was a point or two in 2021.

00:49:48.440 And remember, Trump only lost New Jersey by five last year.

00:49:51.640 And they think, the Trump team does, if they had had Kamala-level money, that they could have flipped New Jersey into their column.

00:49:59.840 So, New Jersey is still blue, but it's more interesting than they want it to be, for sure.

00:50:07.020 And this might help a bit more.

00:50:09.980 This is just one of the great moments.

00:50:11.400 On Charlemagne Tha God on The Breakfast Club, Mr. Tha God was sitting down with Democrat candidate, New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill.

00:50:24.400 So, Democrat candidate for Governor Mikey Sherrill.

00:50:30.200 And I'm not familiar.

00:50:32.300 That's why I'm asking people to weigh in a little bit on, what do I need to know about Mikey Sherrill?

00:50:37.320 But this was a great moment, and Mr. Tha God asked about this, and I think it was worth us all just hearing for a second.

00:50:44.560 Because people are very sick and tired of members of Congress, particularly, who seemingly are trading in a way in the stock market that mirrors information that they would only have access to because of things that they're doing in Congress and making a lot of money.

00:51:04.160 She was asked, Mikey Sherrill, about this, and here is the response from The Breakfast Club a couple of days ago.

00:51:12.760 Play this one.

00:51:13.400 When Newsmax claimed that you made $7 million from stock trades, what are they talking about?

00:51:17.560 Newsmax is, first of all, a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines.

00:51:23.800 I'm not sure what they're talking about.

00:51:25.940 Did you make $7 million in stock trades at all?

00:51:27.760 I haven't, I don't believe I did, but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to again, what kind of came from.

00:51:40.360 Clay, I think if you're a member of Congress, making about $180,000, by the way, I think that if you made $7 million trading the stock market,

00:51:51.000 whether somebody else is making those trades on your behalf or you're making them, I think you should know.

00:51:57.760 Unless you're a billionaire and so rich that you couldn't plausibly say, I don't know what happened with $7 million.

00:52:10.180 99.99% of people in America would know if they made $7 million or not in the stock market.

00:52:17.080 A lot of you out there would know if you made $700 in the stock market or not, certainly $7,000 or $70,000 to say nothing of $7 million.

00:52:28.680 These people are so bad at this buck.

00:52:31.640 I just, I watch so many of these politicians.

00:52:35.740 And we've reached out, by the way, to Jack Citarelli, who is the Republican contender who almost won in 2021.

00:52:42.520 He is the nominee on the Republican side for this race to remind all of you, Virginia and New Jersey and the mayor of New York City are all off-calendar elections.

00:52:54.440 So they will be taking place this November.

00:52:56.960 That's in basically six weeks.

00:52:58.820 Some of you basically can already go early vote on these.

00:53:02.720 I just, I mean, credit to Charlemagne Tha God, who is of the left, I think, but is kind of pointing out,

00:53:09.260 Hey, $7 million, can you follow up and just kind of tell us what happened here?

00:53:14.260 All right.

00:53:14.640 I've got some, I've got some, some stats and numbers to throw into the mix here.

00:53:21.200 Cheryl makes, I said 180, 174 grand as New Jersey's 11th congressional district rep. 1.00

00:53:27.860 So she, remember, they have financial disclosures, everybody.

00:53:32.200 So we can know, it's public, it's public record how much money these individuals have within a range, but you have some sense of it, right?

00:53:41.600 So in 2019, she reported total assets between 730 and, I'm just going to abbreviate the numbers here, but $730,000 and $4.3 million.

00:53:51.880 Now that's a huge range, by the way.

00:53:53.400 Yes.

00:53:53.820 That includes your house, you know, to anybody listening, the difference in being worth 700 grand on paper and being worth 4 million on paper feels like a lot.

00:54:02.380 But anyway, that's where she was.

00:54:05.340 But Clay, in her most recent one, in her most recent disclosure form, she's worth more like 12 million.

00:54:14.560 Yeah, this is tough to explain.

00:54:15.880 And so you say to yourself, wait a second, she's making 174.

00:54:20.500 It's not like she had some huge trust fund because we would know that from the financial disclosure forms previously.

00:54:26.540 So somehow she has, and Jack Cittarelli has come out and hammered her on this, somehow while a member of Congress sitting on the Armed Services Committee,

00:54:37.300 who allegedly has a fondness for trading Clay and defense stocks, just saying, interesting, she has gone from being worth, you know, 0.98

00:54:48.840 let's call it a couple million dollars to put it in the middle, to being worth about 12 million dollars.

00:54:52.680 I mean, she could be worth as much as 4 million there.

00:54:55.080 Even still, that would be a tripling of her net worth while making 180 grand a year. 0.99

00:55:01.540 Now, sometimes spouses make the money, which can also sometimes be suspect, right?

00:55:08.680 Because they'll say, well, this is not the money that I'm making.

00:55:11.840 This is my spouse.

00:55:13.400 I think this is what happened with, and I don't even know who her spouse is now, but Elon Omar.

00:55:18.320 Now, he's an investment banker, so his compensation may be a significant part of this.

00:55:25.700 But, Clay, she was fined for failing to disclose stock sales in 2021.

00:55:31.200 Well, this is where it gets very shady, okay?

00:55:35.040 Correct me if I'm wrong on this, because this seems like something that shouldn't be allowed.

00:55:38.880 You basically cannot prosecute elected officials like congressmen and senators for insider trading, correct?

00:55:46.800 Because they get all sorts of information that is not public, and then they're allowed to trade on it.

00:55:53.880 And this is where it gets super shady.

00:55:55.760 This is like the Nancy Pelosi situation.

00:55:58.680 The spouse oftentimes is the person who's actually trading on this,

00:56:04.380 and they are able to monetize this in a way that is hyper shady.

00:56:08.640 Remember, if you look at Nancy Pelosi's trading record for stocks,

00:56:13.840 she's somehow better than Warren Buffett at buying and selling stocks.

00:56:17.860 There's a Nancy tracker out there where you can look at all the moves Pelosi makes

00:56:22.800 because they have to disclose it.

00:56:24.860 I don't understand why it isn't basic required for everybody out there to put their holdings in a trust

00:56:36.980 and just use that.

00:56:39.440 Let me give you an example, Buck.

00:56:41.660 Most of my money after I sold OutKick that is not in real estate is in S&P 500 index funds.

00:56:49.700 That is, I just buy the 500 largest companies in America.

00:56:53.720 90% of the time, the S&P 500 outperforms experts.

00:56:58.320 I am not, by and large, buying and selling very many stocks.

00:57:02.240 Now, there's no restriction on me buying and selling very many stocks in the first place,

00:57:07.580 but I would say about 5% of my stock assets are in physical stocks that I control,

00:57:14.800 and about 95% is effectively in S&P 500 index funds.

00:57:19.400 I don't understand why it isn't standard for everybody, Democrat, Republican, Independent,

00:57:24.260 who is elected to Congress to put their assets, their 401k, their individual stocks,

00:57:29.700 just put it into an index fund and say,

00:57:32.980 I'm not going to buy and sell individual stocks while I'm a representative of the United States Congress.

00:57:38.440 What am I missing here?

00:57:39.640 To me, that seems like it should be standard for everyone out there,

00:57:43.940 and if they're arguing otherwise, I think it's highly suspect

00:57:48.700 for people to be trading hundreds of times in a year,

00:57:53.300 and remember what happened during COVID, because I haven't forgotten this.

00:57:57.240 Remember when they got the briefings about how dangerous COVID was going to be

00:58:02.200 and what was going to happen,

00:58:03.840 and a ton of congressmen and women immediately sold all their stocks

00:58:07.220 before the stock market started to decline?

00:58:09.400 They got access to information that you and I didn't have access to

00:58:13.820 about what was going to happen in terms of shutdowns.

00:58:17.720 The stock market plummeted,

00:58:19.360 and a lot of congressmen and women sold before the stock market collapsed 0.97

00:58:25.000 and then bought at bottoms

00:58:26.740 and made a ton of money off information that's not public.

00:58:30.760 I don't know what I'm missing here.

00:58:32.640 This candidate, I think, is lying.

00:58:34.920 I think she has likely benefited off inside information,

00:58:38.220 but this is important.

00:58:40.400 When it comes to corruption, we don't just focus on corruption itself.

00:58:45.620 We focus on the appearance of corruption because it's so toxic to public trust.

00:58:51.440 How is there not a direct appearance of corruption

00:58:54.620 when individual congressmen and women are making trades

00:58:59.420 and destroying the greatest investors of our lifetimes in their results?

00:59:05.340 Just so everybody understands,

00:59:06.580 in something like the National Defense Authorization Act

00:59:09.620 or one of those big omnibus or, you know,

00:59:13.280 porculus or whatever you want to call it,

00:59:14.920 these big bills that come out where they're just full of pork

00:59:18.400 and they're full of all this spending,

00:59:20.280 if you're on some committee

00:59:21.480 and you know that a certain defense contractor, for example,

00:59:25.840 is about to get, correct, a $3 or $5 or $10 billion government contract,

00:59:32.360 guess what?

00:59:33.520 It's probably going to go up as a stock, okay?

00:59:36.160 Yes.

00:59:36.480 I think we all understand that.

00:59:38.240 And so if you are essentially...

00:59:40.380 Now, you know, the rules, they've changed the rules

00:59:43.340 so that technically there's like a little more reporting and stuff,

00:59:45.960 but you're not barred from trading.

00:59:47.640 And let's just be honest about this.

00:59:50.660 Have you seen anybody get in trouble for insider trading

00:59:53.540 from the United States Congress?

00:59:54.880 No.

00:59:55.160 I'm not aware of it right now.

00:59:56.240 I think, Buck, that you're not allowed to be prosecuted for it.

00:59:59.720 I think they are specific.

01:00:00.900 I know that used to be the case.

01:00:01.480 They changed the rules.

01:00:02.400 Let me check on it.

01:00:03.320 They made some, the Stock Act,

01:00:04.820 they made some adjustment to it,

01:00:07.340 but I think it's like you can't be prosecuted for knowledge

01:00:10.340 that comes from the course of your job,

01:00:12.560 which is the whole point of it.

01:00:13.820 Let me check on this one.

01:00:15.040 I got to see what the rules are.

01:00:18.060 Because this was, Clay, this has been a push for over a decade.

01:00:20.380 People have been trying to, you know,

01:00:22.800 trying to figure out why members of Congress are able to get so rich.

01:00:29.020 But larger issue, yes, on that.

01:00:32.740 To me, it's just, it shouldn't be allowed.

01:00:36.320 Minor issue or secondary issue as it pertains to this race,

01:00:40.920 if you made $7 million in stock trades,

01:00:45.440 you better have a good explanation for how that happened.

01:00:49.040 And again, the husband may well be the reason,

01:00:53.260 but to claim, oh, I don't know, I'd have to look into that.

01:00:56.540 How out of touch are you if you can make $7 million

01:00:58.740 and not recall whether or not it happened?

01:01:01.980 Unless you're a billionaire

01:01:03.180 and your stock price valuation is constantly going up and down,

01:01:07.060 again, all I'm saying is I'm not a congressperson.

01:01:11.360 S&P 500 index fund is a good option.

01:01:14.100 Why would we not make that standard for anybody who's in elective office?

01:01:17.720 Now, there are some complexities,

01:01:19.500 usually blind trust, and this is getting into specifics.

01:01:22.160 Let's say you own a company

01:01:23.460 and that company is publicly traded.

01:01:26.460 You can just say, hey, I'm not going to buy or sell stock

01:01:29.600 or it's a blind trust.

01:01:31.360 I'm not managing it.

01:01:32.500 There are lots of ways to handle this

01:01:34.180 that do not create this huge impression of impropriety

01:01:41.540 that, to me, would make a lot of sense.

01:01:43.560 Well, I just would note, Clay,

01:01:45.580 so two former members of the House of Representatives

01:01:47.560 have been prosecuted and convicted for insider trading,

01:01:50.980 which the Stock Act of 2012, that's what I'm referring to.

01:01:55.140 So this has been going on for a while.

01:01:56.620 So there is this Stock Act.

01:01:58.420 It doesn't bar them from trading, obviously.

01:02:00.160 There's disclosure requirements, but here's the thing.

01:02:03.580 It's super hard because of the information

01:02:06.120 that they're coming into contact with

01:02:07.920 is of a political nature.

01:02:09.740 It can be very, like, if you're going to invest

01:02:12.200 in a big defense contractor,

01:02:14.440 how do you know that you don't just, you know,

01:02:17.000 did they get into this mosaic defense strategy

01:02:19.060 for white-collar criminals of like,

01:02:20.420 well, did I do it because I thought of this bill

01:02:22.580 that's coming up or because I love the fundamentals?

01:02:24.760 And I know I read the latest 10K.

01:02:26.480 I mean, that's...

01:02:27.100 Well, also, I would be curious on whatever.

01:02:30.160 I would be curious what the prosecution

01:02:32.960 for insider trading is

01:02:34.440 because those guys could have been prosecuted

01:02:37.340 for actual insider trading

01:02:38.840 that had nothing to do with Congress, right?

01:02:41.420 In other words, I believe the testimony

01:02:43.700 that you hear behind closed doors

01:02:45.580 is not allowed to be prosecutable for insider trading.

01:02:49.700 You could still be prosecuted

01:02:51.560 if, for instance, you're out of office

01:02:53.360 and your cousin calls you

01:02:56.120 and he sits on the board of X company

01:02:58.120 and he says,

01:02:59.420 hey, we're about to create...

01:03:01.240 That's what happened.

01:03:02.060 Yeah.

01:03:02.340 By the way, they actually were not prosecuted.

01:03:04.380 This is a very important clarification.

01:03:05.940 They were not prosecuted

01:03:07.040 for anything under the Stock Act

01:03:08.940 or anything having to do with Congress.

01:03:10.480 They were prosecuted

01:03:11.840 for insider trading access

01:03:14.180 they had before being in Congress.

01:03:17.640 Yes.

01:03:18.100 That's a different thing.

01:03:18.720 This is what I'm saying.

01:03:19.340 Like, you basically get a free reign

01:03:21.020 to insider trade at Congress.

01:03:22.780 So my initial premise

01:03:24.120 of, like, no one in Congress has ever...

01:03:25.800 No one in Congress has ever been prosecuted

01:03:28.160 for insider Congress...

01:03:29.480 insider congressional information.

01:03:30.840 That is true.

01:03:31.860 By the way, some breaking news

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 23, 2025

Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 23 2025

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