Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay and Buck

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00:00:04.400 Welcome in the Thursday edition.

00:00:07.020 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show.

00:00:09.220 I don't know if Buck knows this, but the NFL is back.

00:00:12.040 And a lot of you are going to be watching tonight.

00:00:15.280 A lot of you watched the Texas and Ohio State game.

00:00:20.240 Buck, I don't know if this is a good or bad thing for you,

00:00:22.500 but football is setting all-time record ratings,

00:00:26.300 the likes of which have never been seen before.

00:00:29.160 And I've got a theory on what it represents,

00:00:31.380 and it ties in with another fun story

00:00:34.320 that I thought we could jump into here.

00:00:36.860 And it ties in with the cultural pendulum

00:00:40.000 having swung in a massive direction back to sanity.

00:00:46.420 And I think you have to give Donald Trump

00:00:48.760 a lot of credit for this,

00:00:51.300 but I think he is symptomatic

00:00:53.740 of where the country is moving.

00:00:56.240 And I've got a bunch of takes on this

00:00:59.060 as the data comes out.

00:01:00.180 Let me give you an idea of where we're headed, by the way.

00:01:02.040 In the third hour, we've got a couple of fun guests for you.

00:01:05.000 Katie Miller, she has got a brand new podcast.

00:01:07.960 She is interviewing a lot of people.

00:01:09.440 She was Elon Musk's top assistant in the White House.

00:01:13.780 She is the wife of Stephen Miller,

00:01:15.540 who many of you have heard on this program

00:01:17.900 for a very long time.

00:01:19.340 Among the most influential advisors in the White House.

00:01:23.280 Deputy Chief of Staff, I think,

00:01:24.800 is his official title beneath Susie Wiles.

00:01:28.240 She is going to be on with us in the third hour

00:01:29.960 to talk about some of these cultural trends.

00:01:32.320 2.30, part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network.

00:01:35.260 Dr. Nicole Sapphire.

00:01:36.980 Many of you obviously see her on Fox News

00:01:39.180 on a regular basis as well.

00:01:40.680 She will join us.

00:01:41.520 So that has all come in the third hour.

00:01:43.620 But this morning, Buck,

00:01:44.640 as I was getting ready for the show,

00:01:47.800 as I was walking my fifth grader to school,

00:01:50.960 as I do most mornings,

00:01:53.200 the stock market opened.

00:01:55.760 I looked down at my phone.

00:01:57.820 I knew it was going to be a big pop out of the gate.

00:02:01.780 But American Eagle stock,

00:02:04.960 for those of you who saw the Sidney Sweeney advertisements

00:02:09.240 and just said,

00:02:10.300 you know what?

00:02:11.380 I think a pretty girl in jeans

00:02:13.700 and a company that is not apologizing for it

00:02:17.040 is likely to do well.

00:02:19.280 Last night, American Eagle said

00:02:22.040 their Sidney Sweeney ad campaign

00:02:25.180 is so successful

00:02:26.540 that they are now increasing

00:02:29.180 their earnings expectations

00:02:31.720 and their profit expectations.

00:02:34.740 And the stock, as I speak to you all today,

00:02:37.860 is up 32.5% today alone.

00:02:43.700 The stock up $4.5.

00:02:46.860 So if you just heard us

00:02:49.320 talking about this advertisement,

00:02:51.540 if you just saw them talking about it on Fox News

00:02:54.400 and you thought to yourself,

00:02:55.760 you know what?

00:02:57.020 A pretty girl in jeans

00:02:59.320 seems like a pretty good idea.

00:03:02.260 And then as you saw all the controversy

00:03:04.900 stirred up on the left,

00:03:07.240 people saying,

00:03:08.200 oh, this is eugenics.

00:03:09.580 Maybe we can go back and pull

00:03:10.980 the ABC Good Morning America story

00:03:14.440 where they put on the expert to say,

00:03:16.200 oh, this is very troubling.

00:03:17.540 This is calling a blonde hair,

00:03:19.500 blue eyed girl

00:03:20.320 saying she has good genes

00:03:22.260 as a pun on J-E-A-N-S,

00:03:26.000 G-E-N-E-S,

00:03:28.040 a clear double entendre there.

00:03:29.980 If you thought this is all ridiculous,

00:03:32.340 this is going to work,

00:03:34.300 I give credit to American Eagle.

00:03:36.200 They didn't run and hide.

00:03:37.900 I know because my grandma,

00:03:39.920 grandma of my kids,

00:03:41.260 my mom,

00:03:42.520 took a picture of my son

00:03:45.100 at back to school season

00:03:46.660 standing in front of a Sidney Sweeney ad.

00:03:50.460 I know that even grandmas

00:03:51.780 were aware of this ad campaign.

00:03:54.100 And maybe some of you out there,

00:03:55.480 you bought your kids

00:03:57.320 and your grandkids

00:03:58.620 American Eagle gear

00:04:00.540 just to make a statement on this.

00:04:02.620 Buck,

00:04:03.480 I do think

00:04:04.380 that this is a sign

00:04:06.160 of the culture shift

00:04:07.760 having occurred

00:04:08.680 in a big way.

00:04:10.140 I think the popularity

00:04:11.200 of football

00:04:12.020 going through the roof

00:04:13.360 ratings-wise,

00:04:14.440 I think it's directly connected

00:04:15.800 to this.

00:04:16.800 Pretty girls,

00:04:18.120 sports,

00:04:19.100 it's all coming back together again.

00:04:21.360 It never left popularity,

00:04:22.880 but they wanted to tell us

00:04:24.540 that fat androgynous model

00:04:26.540 is going to sell lingerie.

00:04:28.700 Guess what?

00:04:29.660 America's not crazy.

00:04:31.180 People like football.

00:04:32.360 They like pretty girls.

00:04:33.700 And my goodness,

00:04:34.660 you could have made

00:04:35.160 a lot of money

00:04:35.700 by betting on both.

00:04:37.220 Well,

00:04:37.480 I want to find out

00:04:38.240 what the next company is

00:04:39.560 that plans to just do

00:04:41.260 an old-school,

00:04:42.120 all-Americana,

00:04:43.900 good-feeling ad.

00:04:45.960 I mean,

00:04:46.300 it seems like a,

00:04:48.160 you know,

00:04:48.460 Clay,

00:04:48.840 as you know,

00:04:49.420 we've talked about

00:04:50.220 marketing execs,

00:04:51.660 Madison Avenue ad execs

00:04:53.380 are among the most woke

00:04:55.920 as a profession,

00:04:57.720 most woke individuals

00:04:58.560 you'll find anywhere.

00:04:59.440 I mean,

00:04:59.560 they're really up there

00:05:00.360 with like Broadway choreographers

00:05:01.980 in terms of their politics.

00:05:03.180 And they are living

00:05:04.460 in some other planet.

00:05:06.120 And I think because of

00:05:07.360 America's overall prosperity,

00:05:09.380 the dominance of many

00:05:10.480 American companies,

00:05:11.280 they've been able to get away

00:05:12.260 with their ideological

00:05:14.440 decisions,

00:05:17.280 ideologically based decisions

00:05:18.380 instead of what's based

00:05:18.960 for the company

00:05:19.340 for a long time.

00:05:19.980 That perhaps

00:05:21.600 is in the early stages

00:05:22.900 of changing.

00:05:23.860 We shall see.

00:05:24.500 I will say

00:05:25.260 I haven't seen a change

00:05:27.120 in the advertising

00:05:27.840 kind of companies,

00:05:29.500 I should say,

00:05:30.060 the kind of companies

00:05:30.780 advertising

00:05:31.320 and conservative media

00:05:32.700 haven't seen

00:05:33.700 that happen yet.

00:05:35.240 We were hearing,

00:05:36.920 you know,

00:05:37.820 early rumbles

00:05:38.620 that this may go on.

00:05:40.080 And now I think

00:05:41.220 there's a little more

00:05:41.760 of a wait and see

00:05:42.760 Trump's first year.

00:05:44.200 Let's see if he stays

00:05:45.120 focused and stays on it.

00:05:46.540 But I think that consumers

00:05:49.440 and the American people

00:05:50.180 need to continue to push.

00:05:52.000 And that just means

00:05:52.680 be vocal about your preferences

00:05:54.500 and put your dollars

00:05:55.740 where your heart is.

00:05:56.540 Actually make decisions

00:05:57.780 based upon

00:05:58.520 where companies align

00:06:00.920 with your values.

00:06:01.940 And in some cases,

00:06:02.600 it's just fun

00:06:03.660 and liking America

00:06:05.040 and wanting to sell

00:06:05.940 a good product.

00:06:06.820 That can align

00:06:07.900 with your values.

00:06:08.560 It doesn't have to be,

00:06:09.800 you know,

00:06:10.160 everything is draped

00:06:11.000 in an American flag

00:06:12.040 and talks about

00:06:12.660 defeating the communists,

00:06:13.620 although that's fine too.

00:06:14.480 But just here trying to use

00:06:17.000 the old,

00:06:18.660 the oldest trick

00:06:19.760 in the marketing book,

00:06:20.920 a beautiful woman

00:06:21.840 selling a product

00:06:22.740 to people

00:06:23.500 that they will like.

00:06:24.960 It turns out

00:06:25.880 that still works

00:06:26.860 if you're willing to do it.

00:06:27.920 It certainly works better

00:06:29.080 than a 300 pound

00:06:30.500 androgynous

00:06:31.520 purple hair,

00:06:33.540 ear plugged,

00:06:34.620 you know,

00:06:35.920 whatever we're dealing with.

00:06:37.160 It's crazy.

00:06:38.140 I do think

00:06:39.680 that the retreat

00:06:41.100 that you saw

00:06:41.920 from Cracker Barrel

00:06:43.080 and this is where

00:06:45.040 the impact

00:06:45.740 of Bud Light

00:06:46.460 really comes in

00:06:47.420 because I've heard

00:06:48.480 so many people

00:06:49.300 out there,

00:06:49.980 they get sometimes upset

00:06:51.920 when we talk

00:06:53.260 about culture,

00:06:54.360 not just on this program,

00:06:55.860 but on all programs.

00:06:57.160 And they're like,

00:06:58.060 tell me more

00:06:58.880 about the tax plan

00:07:01.340 for small businesses.

00:07:03.460 And I'm like,

00:07:04.460 okay,

00:07:05.460 yeah,

00:07:05.820 I mean,

00:07:06.620 I'm in favor

00:07:07.540 of lower taxes,

00:07:08.520 all these things,

00:07:09.780 but culture

00:07:11.020 is how you win.

00:07:11.960 I'm sorry,

00:07:13.620 culture,

00:07:14.340 culture,

00:07:14.920 culture.

00:07:15.380 The older I get

00:07:16.440 in all facets,

00:07:18.420 your company's culture

00:07:19.620 is how you win.

00:07:20.900 Your team,

00:07:22.160 both as a actual

00:07:24.200 athletic team

00:07:26.120 and just the team

00:07:27.600 around you,

00:07:28.380 your family,

00:07:29.640 culture is how you win.

00:07:31.520 Culture,

00:07:32.220 culture,

00:07:32.840 culture.

00:07:33.780 And you have to win culture.

00:07:36.360 And what I am seeing

00:07:37.520 right now is,

00:07:38.540 Buck's point,

00:07:39.000 I told you guys

00:07:39.900 this about FanDuel

00:07:40.720 yesterday and I got

00:07:41.480 a lot of reaction

00:07:42.320 to it.

00:07:43.640 I don't think

00:07:44.460 most people

00:07:44.960 outside of media

00:07:45.860 understand that

00:07:47.000 the advertising

00:07:47.920 agencies are

00:07:49.860 the wokest part

00:07:51.360 of American life

00:07:52.660 and they are

00:07:53.660 the bottleneck

00:07:54.740 that is putting

00:07:55.940 all this ridiculousness,

00:07:57.740 I would argue,

00:07:58.440 a lot of it is filth,

00:07:59.920 out into the larger

00:08:01.320 cultural arena

00:08:02.360 because they control

00:08:04.380 so much of the access

00:08:06.480 to the marketplace

00:08:07.420 and they were the ones

00:08:09.100 pushing all this

00:08:10.020 androgynous models,

00:08:11.520 all this,

00:08:12.200 hey, being 350 pounds,

00:08:14.280 that's how we should

00:08:15.080 sell athletic gear.

00:08:16.540 Hey, let's put

00:08:17.040 an actual man

00:08:18.220 in a Nike sports bra

00:08:20.380 and let's say,

00:08:22.080 hey, girls,

00:08:22.940 go buy Nike sports bras

00:08:24.480 to work out in.

00:08:25.200 I mean, these are the ads

00:08:26.080 that they were putting in.

00:08:26.900 They're the reason Bud Light

00:08:28.060 put this trans influencer

00:08:29.980 on a can in the first place.

00:08:31.880 We have to destroy them.

00:08:34.340 We have to destroy them.

00:08:35.640 And I understand

00:08:36.160 there's a lot of cowardice

00:08:37.340 out there,

00:08:37.900 but that's how you win culture.

00:08:40.080 That is how you go back

00:08:41.720 to some form of normalcy

00:08:43.280 in American life.

00:08:45.020 And I think that

00:08:46.100 it's incumbent upon everybody

00:08:47.420 to remember this

00:08:48.400 as they're making

00:08:48.960 their decisions.

00:08:50.660 And, you know,

00:08:51.500 we talk about Crockett Coffee

00:08:52.680 here on the show

00:08:53.620 and how we're already,

00:08:55.740 you know,

00:08:56.020 some of you listen to Joe Paggs.

00:08:58.040 Joe Paggs is selling

00:08:58.900 Crockett Coffee

00:08:59.760 and Ben Ferguson

00:09:00.640 is selling Crockett Coffee.

00:09:01.880 You know,

00:09:02.220 we're putting money

00:09:03.040 into the broader

00:09:03.720 conservative media economy

00:09:05.780 because Clay and I

00:09:06.800 remember what it was like.

00:09:07.800 I remember in the early days

00:09:09.320 sponsors that would come on,

00:09:11.120 you have the same thing,

00:09:12.040 sponsors that would stand with you,

00:09:13.800 they felt like family.

00:09:15.100 And that's one of the reasons

00:09:15.860 why we're so attached

00:09:17.000 to many of our long-time sponsors

00:09:18.400 here on this show

00:09:19.360 because they're with us

00:09:21.180 shoulder to shoulder.

00:09:22.000 Yeah,

00:09:22.160 they're trying to offer up

00:09:23.240 great products to all of you,

00:09:24.920 but they make a,

00:09:25.940 be very clear about this.

00:09:27.280 And I don't ever want

00:09:28.320 to make it feel like

00:09:29.020 this is something

00:09:29.480 we don't talk about.

00:09:30.280 They make every sponsor

00:09:32.100 on this and other

00:09:33.100 conservative programs

00:09:34.040 out there,

00:09:34.520 they make a decision

00:09:35.660 to stand with you,

00:09:38.160 all of you,

00:09:39.180 and your values

00:09:40.180 because there are

00:09:40.900 a lot of companies

00:09:41.880 out there

00:09:42.400 that we would make

00:09:43.360 a ton of money for

00:09:44.660 by just telling you

00:09:45.880 about their great products.

00:09:47.240 And they're like,

00:09:48.040 I'm sorry,

00:09:49.000 have you heard

00:09:49.540 what Clay Travis says

00:09:50.660 about trans guys

00:09:51.780 playing on women's field hockey?

00:09:53.640 Have you heard

00:09:54.160 what Buck Sexton said

00:09:55.420 about COVID lockdowns

00:09:56.940 and Fauci?

00:09:57.520 And I'm,

00:09:59.100 that is the God's honest truth.

00:10:00.480 That is exactly

00:10:01.100 what goes on.

00:10:02.620 This is one where

00:10:04.240 strategically,

00:10:05.960 the left understands

00:10:07.520 how to win culture better.

00:10:09.420 They created,

00:10:10.760 and again,

00:10:11.160 we're taking you

00:10:11.860 into the weeds

00:10:12.460 a little bit,

00:10:13.020 but I think it's important

00:10:13.840 for you guys

00:10:14.620 to understand it

00:10:15.420 and certainly Rush

00:10:16.320 lived through it

00:10:17.280 because some of the creation

00:10:18.420 of these groups

00:10:19.340 were designed

00:10:20.360 to try to destroy

00:10:21.540 Rush's show,

00:10:22.380 as many of you

00:10:23.040 well remember.

00:10:24.840 The left created

00:10:26.280 entire companies

00:10:27.900 that they're,

00:10:29.620 all they did

00:10:30.620 was reach out

00:10:31.840 to big brand advertisers

00:10:33.500 and say,

00:10:34.600 are you sure

00:10:35.680 you want to be affiliated

00:10:37.040 with this conservative?

00:10:39.420 By the way,

00:10:40.060 very broadly defined conservative

00:10:42.160 because I did a sports talk show

00:10:43.900 and I had FanDuel cancel on me

00:10:47.200 over saying men

00:10:48.800 can't be in women's sports.

00:10:50.920 I mean,

00:10:51.760 how many sports gamblers

00:10:52.940 do you think in America

00:10:54.600 believe that men

00:10:56.720 should be able to compete

00:10:57.880 in women's sports?

00:10:59.160 I generally don't think

00:11:00.500 the guys who are paying

00:11:01.320 really close attention

00:11:02.280 to which pony's

00:11:03.100 going to come in first

00:11:04.020 or which touchdown

00:11:05.140 is going to be the game winner

00:11:06.520 sitting there

00:11:07.540 chomping their cigars

00:11:08.420 like,

00:11:08.780 you know what we really need?

00:11:09.900 More future is female t-shirts.

00:11:12.060 And by the way,

00:11:13.200 also beer companies.

00:11:14.800 I mean,

00:11:15.440 this is the Cracker Barrel's

00:11:17.240 decision writ large

00:11:18.680 and I think

00:11:19.340 a lot of these companies

00:11:20.700 are now going to start firing

00:11:22.080 some of these marketing agencies,

00:11:23.620 but they're the ones

00:11:24.560 with the chokehold on culture.

00:11:26.360 You need to see

00:11:27.540 the Sidney Sweeney ad campaign work

00:11:29.880 because cowardice is common

00:11:31.920 and most marketers

00:11:33.540 are not particularly smart

00:11:35.520 and they follow

00:11:36.460 whichever direction they're led.

00:11:38.580 And if they're told

00:11:39.680 put fat chicks

00:11:40.660 into sports bras

00:11:41.620 or put dudes with penises

00:11:43.140 into sports bras

00:11:44.540 to sell women's athletic gear,

00:11:46.300 they'll do it

00:11:47.280 because they're cowards.

00:11:48.780 And that's what they were told.

00:11:51.280 And you see

00:11:52.080 in the case of

00:11:52.960 the Cracker Barrel

00:11:54.000 and a Cracker Barrel situation,

00:11:56.120 I just want to say this too,

00:11:57.120 for I've been reading

00:11:58.940 conservative media

00:12:00.300 and I've, you know,

00:12:02.180 doing all this stuff now

00:12:03.360 since I was in high school.

00:12:05.140 So we're going on

00:12:05.740 30 years

00:12:07.540 of seeing

00:12:09.480 what the sponsors are,

00:12:10.700 seeing what the climate is

00:12:12.160 and how advertisers

00:12:13.700 and corporations

00:12:14.700 treat anything

00:12:15.620 that half the country,

00:12:16.760 a little niche market

00:12:18.040 known as half the country,

00:12:19.380 fully endorses

00:12:20.320 and supports.

00:12:21.760 And so there is

00:12:22.660 a sense of a,

00:12:25.280 I don't know

00:12:25.640 if it's a renaissance,

00:12:26.840 it's certainly

00:12:27.560 a turning of the tide.

00:12:29.440 There is a sense

00:12:29.980 that things now

00:12:30.860 under this Trump administration

00:12:32.080 are better than they have ever been

00:12:33.880 in this regard.

00:12:34.780 There's still a lot of work

00:12:35.740 to be done though

00:12:36.500 because it's crazy

00:12:38.260 and you see a lot

00:12:39.280 of these shows, Clay,

00:12:40.600 after Trump's election win

00:12:42.820 that have been canceled,

00:12:44.160 a lot of these programs

00:12:45.060 that have,

00:12:45.800 they were being propped up

00:12:47.160 by people and companies

00:12:48.960 selling other stuff to you,

00:12:50.740 right?

00:12:51.060 So it's like the corporation

00:12:52.460 is making money

00:12:53.800 selling you toaster ovens

00:12:55.300 or whatever

00:12:55.880 and then people

00:12:57.780 who are in a media subsidiary

00:13:01.340 that the corporation owns

00:13:03.020 are able to write checks

00:13:04.660 that are subsidized

00:13:05.940 by the toaster ovens

00:13:07.040 that you don't realize

00:13:08.140 are actually paying the bills

00:13:10.100 so that you can have

00:13:11.200 Stephen Colbert

00:13:11.980 be a not funny jerk

00:13:13.300 on TV every night

00:13:14.280 making $30 million a year

00:13:15.780 while a staff is getting fired.

00:13:17.500 That is the lib media business model

00:13:20.300 and once you understand that

00:13:21.900 it is not free and open,

00:13:23.640 fair choice

00:13:24.280 and once you understand

00:13:25.560 how they've seated themselves

00:13:27.520 top to bottom

00:13:28.680 in these corporate institutions,

00:13:30.160 how they've decided

00:13:31.160 to use the levers of power

00:13:32.460 and their advantage

00:13:33.240 to their advantage,

00:13:34.400 Clay, this has been worth,

00:13:35.860 it's been worth

00:13:36.380 presidential elections.

00:13:37.400 I'm just going to say it.

00:13:38.280 I mean, Democrats have been

00:13:39.460 in office at different times

00:13:40.720 because of this apparatus

00:13:42.420 that we are outlining

00:13:43.220 for you right now.

00:13:43.960 So trust me, it matters.

00:13:45.820 And you have to win

00:13:47.080 the culture wars

00:13:48.140 and this is why I think

00:13:49.600 this is significant

00:13:50.580 and we're winning

00:13:52.680 the culture wars

00:13:53.600 and we're winning young men

00:13:55.380 and we need to add on

00:13:57.120 more steam.

00:13:58.200 Young women want to look

00:14:00.260 like Sidney Sweeney.

00:14:01.800 Young men want to play football.

00:14:04.640 They want to be bigger,

00:14:05.800 stronger, faster than they are.

00:14:07.920 They don't want to be failures.

00:14:09.140 They don't want to be mediocrities.

00:14:11.120 And this sameness,

00:14:13.260 this cultural androgyny

00:14:14.880 that is being sold by the left,

00:14:17.040 we're lighting it on fire,

00:14:18.480 but we need to pour on more fuel.

00:14:21.880 We need to continue

00:14:23.100 to stack wins.

00:14:24.660 That's why this is important.

00:14:26.140 This is how you stack multiple wins.

00:14:29.280 And I do think we should celebrate

00:14:31.320 and draw attention to companies

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00:14:35.660 because other companies

00:14:37.220 will emulate them

00:14:38.620 because success is contagious

00:14:40.320 and once somebody has success,

00:14:42.440 others will follow.

00:14:43.740 Yeah.

00:14:43.860 Our civilization is built on

00:14:45.600 the aspiration

00:14:46.800 to greatness,

00:14:48.420 to beauty,

00:14:49.160 to discovery,

00:14:50.200 to be someone

00:14:52.440 who is not just

00:14:54.360 eating the gruel

00:14:55.860 that is handed

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00:14:59.680 and what to wear

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00:15:01.300 And now you're seeing

00:15:02.920 that people want to return

00:15:04.160 a restoration

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00:15:06.320 to an America

00:15:07.340 that wants greatness,

00:15:08.880 beautiful things,

00:15:09.980 and that includes,

00:15:11.480 in some cases,

00:15:12.040 beautiful people.

00:15:13.460 All right.

00:15:14.320 This is the kind of thing

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00:15:20.300 and word gets out

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00:15:23.000 and everyone's on high alert

00:15:24.040 thinking,

00:15:24.520 what if it happens to me?

00:15:25.880 And in some places,

00:15:27.000 in some cases,

00:15:27.900 they don't know what to do.

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00:17:28.780 Clay, have you heard

00:17:29.720 of the Rio Reset?

00:17:31.000 Sounds like a trendy

00:17:31.980 new workout, Buck.

00:17:33.260 It does,

00:17:33.880 but it's actually a big summit

00:17:35.080 going on in Brazil.

00:17:36.240 The formal name is BRICS,

00:17:37.700 which stands for Brazil,

00:17:38.800 Russia, India,

00:17:39.460 China, and South Africa,

00:17:40.860 but they've just added

00:17:41.980 five new members.

00:17:43.300 Smart move to stick with BRICS.

00:17:45.160 We know what happens

00:17:46.040 when acronyms don't end.

00:17:47.360 They confuse everyone.

00:17:48.560 Well, that's an understatement.

00:17:50.020 BRICS is a group

00:17:50.700 of emerging economies

00:17:51.760 hoping to increase their sway

00:17:53.280 in the global financial order.

00:17:55.060 Now that sounds like

00:17:56.220 the plot line of a movie.

00:17:57.640 I'm listening.

00:17:58.600 Philip Patrick

00:17:59.320 is our Bruce Wayne.

00:18:00.760 He's a precious metal specialist

00:18:02.560 and a spokesman

00:18:03.540 for the Birch Gold Group.

00:18:04.940 He's on the ground in Rio

00:18:06.460 getting the whole lowdown

00:18:07.840 on what's going on there.

00:18:08.920 Can he give us

00:18:09.720 some inside intel?

00:18:11.020 Absolutely.

00:18:11.720 He's been there since day one.

00:18:13.600 In fact,

00:18:14.020 a major theme at the summit

00:18:15.260 is how BRICS nations

00:18:16.340 aim to reduce reliance

00:18:17.700 on the U.S. dollar

00:18:18.820 in global trade.

00:18:20.140 Yikes.

00:18:20.580 That doesn't sound good.

00:18:21.660 We got to get Philip

00:18:22.480 on the line, stat.

00:18:23.840 Already did.

00:18:24.640 And he left

00:18:25.140 the Clay and Buck audience

00:18:26.320 this message.

00:18:27.760 The world is moving

00:18:28.940 on from the dollar.

00:18:30.760 Quietly,

00:18:31.500 but steadily.

00:18:32.740 These nations

00:18:33.460 are making real progress

00:18:34.920 towards reshaping global trade.

00:18:36.820 And the U.S. dollar

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00:18:39.180 the centerpiece.

00:18:40.520 That shift

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00:18:44.820 it's already begun.

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00:19:12.560 Welcome back in.

00:19:13.540 Clay,

00:19:13.900 Travis,

00:19:14.500 Buck Sexton's show.

00:19:15.760 Appreciate all of you

00:19:16.780 hanging out with us

00:19:18.220 as we are rolling through

00:19:19.740 the Thursday edition

00:19:21.460 of the program.

00:19:23.300 And we've got

00:19:24.300 a ton of different things

00:19:25.500 that you guys

00:19:26.180 are reacting to.

00:19:28.260 But I did want

00:19:29.680 to play this

00:19:30.480 because I think

00:19:32.140 one of the aspects

00:19:33.480 of Trump

00:19:35.100 and his particular

00:19:36.760 focus on crime

00:19:38.760 is it actually

00:19:40.720 is connecting

00:19:41.700 with a lot of people

00:19:43.600 out there

00:19:44.180 that are having

00:19:45.080 to deal

00:19:45.760 with legitimate crime.

00:19:48.160 And here is

00:19:49.140 a grandmother

00:19:49.880 of a Chicago crime victim

00:19:52.000 speaking to Fox News

00:19:53.800 about what she sees.

00:19:56.700 This is a woman

00:19:57.580 named Mrs. Gale,

00:19:59.240 I believe is how

00:20:00.020 they identify her.

00:20:01.280 This was on Fox News

00:20:02.540 saying,

00:20:03.540 hey,

00:20:04.180 bring them on.

00:20:05.220 What do we have to lose?

00:20:06.520 I would bet for you

00:20:08.000 that this is how

00:20:09.500 90 plus percent

00:20:11.100 of people

00:20:12.020 that actually are living

00:20:13.340 in crime ravaged

00:20:15.020 neighborhoods feel.

00:20:16.440 Listen to cut one.

00:20:17.520 My name is Mrs. Gale.

00:20:19.640 My grandson

00:20:20.340 is Gregory Wilson III.

00:20:22.800 You got people

00:20:23.660 still robbing,

00:20:24.880 stealing,

00:20:25.500 killing.

00:20:26.280 Just the other day

00:20:27.120 a five-year-old boy

00:20:28.120 got killed,

00:20:28.780 shot in the head.

00:20:29.800 It's like it's never

00:20:30.560 going to end.

00:20:31.880 So if Mr. Trump

00:20:33.120 want to bring

00:20:33.680 these troops

00:20:34.220 to Chicago,

00:20:35.340 hey,

00:20:35.920 bring them on.

00:20:36.680 What do we got

00:20:37.080 to lose?

00:20:37.820 You know what I'm saying?

00:20:39.540 Put some fear

00:20:40.200 and let them know

00:20:40.900 that they're here

00:20:41.600 and they want,

00:20:42.200 you know,

00:20:42.480 to protect the city

00:20:43.240 of Chicago.

00:20:43.980 We got elderly people

00:20:45.340 afraid to ride

00:20:46.500 the red line.

00:20:47.720 You got kids

00:20:48.340 can't go outside

00:20:49.260 and play.

00:20:50.100 You got women

00:20:50.860 don't want to walk

00:20:51.840 at night alone.

00:20:53.720 Look,

00:20:55.920 this is one

00:20:56.980 of the things

00:20:58.040 that I think

00:20:58.780 is not getting

00:20:59.460 enough attention.

00:21:00.180 It's not going

00:21:00.480 to shock you

00:21:01.060 that most

00:21:01.800 mainstream media

00:21:02.580 is not focused

00:21:03.280 on this.

00:21:04.560 It's very easy

00:21:05.500 for wealthy people

00:21:06.620 who have gated

00:21:08.000 communities

00:21:08.580 and have private

00:21:09.940 security

00:21:10.460 and or have

00:21:11.900 their own

00:21:12.620 community police

00:21:14.260 that are rapidly

00:21:15.240 responding to

00:21:16.440 any issue

00:21:17.240 that might arise.

00:21:18.400 It's very easy

00:21:19.360 for those people

00:21:19.960 to say,

00:21:20.380 hey,

00:21:20.540 it's safe

00:21:21.280 in this city.

00:21:22.500 We don't need

00:21:23.180 Trump.

00:21:24.000 We don't need

00:21:24.720 National Guard.

00:21:25.480 We don't need

00:21:25.900 more police.

00:21:27.200 But the people

00:21:27.940 that actually

00:21:28.980 are in areas

00:21:30.520 where crime

00:21:31.340 takes place

00:21:32.240 would overwhelmingly

00:21:34.340 welcome being able

00:21:36.240 to be more secure.

00:21:37.900 And this is where

00:21:39.240 I think the true

00:21:40.620 lie of the

00:21:41.680 Black Lives Matter

00:21:42.600 protests are exposed

00:21:44.700 because essentially

00:21:46.360 what Karen Bass

00:21:47.540 in L.A.

00:21:48.620 and Brandon Johnson

00:21:50.460 in Chicago

00:21:51.200 and Governor

00:21:54.320 Westmore

00:21:54.980 of the state

00:21:57.600 of Maryland

00:21:58.100 are actually

00:21:59.120 saying is

00:21:59.900 black lives

00:22:00.940 don't matter

00:22:01.660 if it requires

00:22:03.560 more police

00:22:04.820 officers.

00:22:06.020 And we know

00:22:06.620 that those police

00:22:07.380 officers and

00:22:08.180 those National Guard

00:22:09.040 troops save

00:22:10.360 and the people

00:22:11.200 that they save

00:22:11.840 save lives

00:22:12.480 and the people's

00:22:13.320 lives that they

00:22:13.780 save are

00:22:14.560 overwhelmingly black

00:22:16.020 yet they don't

00:22:17.400 want the help.

00:22:18.640 Well, what you're

00:22:19.320 seeing are a lot

00:22:20.080 of people

00:22:20.620 coming forward

00:22:21.660 and being very

00:22:22.540 loud about how

00:22:24.500 they don't need

00:22:26.540 more police

00:22:27.640 maybe

00:22:28.100 but they don't

00:22:30.160 want more police

00:22:31.060 for the people

00:22:31.700 who do need

00:22:32.740 and want more

00:22:33.580 police.

00:22:34.200 This is a common

00:22:35.020 thing.

00:22:35.660 This is one of the

00:22:37.540 tragic realities

00:22:39.360 realities of this

00:22:40.360 debate is that

00:22:41.140 you have so

00:22:41.640 many wealthy

00:22:43.280 influential people

00:22:44.540 I'm talking now

00:22:45.520 on the politician

00:22:46.220 and media side.

00:22:47.140 Also, are we

00:22:48.700 going to talk

00:22:49.000 about how Ilhan

00:22:49.660 Omar is worth

00:22:50.240 so much money

00:22:50.780 now?

00:22:51.240 Is this real?

00:22:52.080 You and I were

00:22:52.580 talking about this

00:22:53.300 off air yesterday.

00:22:54.740 I mean, not

00:22:55.500 like right now

00:22:56.320 but can we just

00:22:56.840 put a pin in

00:22:57.340 that one?

00:22:58.160 How are all

00:22:58.600 these politicians

00:22:59.700 getting so rich

00:23:00.600 out of nowhere?

00:23:01.940 We don't really

00:23:02.300 understand what's

00:23:02.760 going on.

00:23:03.240 I think that's

00:23:03.760 worth asking a

00:23:04.800 little more about

00:23:05.160 but these people

00:23:07.520 who are in

00:23:08.060 politics and

00:23:08.660 media and in

00:23:10.080 general out there

00:23:11.500 who are saying

00:23:12.220 you don't need

00:23:12.960 more police,

00:23:14.740 you don't need

00:23:14.880 more law enforcement

00:23:15.540 help in these

00:23:16.100 areas, they are

00:23:17.800 unfortunately relegating,

00:23:20.120 they are consigning

00:23:21.940 others to continue

00:23:24.160 to live in crime

00:23:25.140 infested neighborhoods.

00:23:26.540 Yes.

00:23:26.920 This is a choice

00:23:28.360 and this can be

00:23:29.060 stopped.

00:23:29.440 People who just

00:23:30.080 want you to

00:23:30.640 believe, and I

00:23:31.480 know you all

00:23:31.900 know this, but

00:23:32.660 people who want

00:23:33.240 you to believe

00:23:33.800 that there have

00:23:34.560 to be 500 to

00:23:35.720 600 murders a

00:23:36.760 year in Chicago

00:23:37.440 just because that's

00:23:38.820 how it goes are

00:23:40.240 lying or they're

00:23:41.680 idiots.

00:23:42.140 It's just not

00:23:42.760 true.

00:23:43.120 It does not have

00:23:43.860 to be that way.

00:23:45.340 In fact, there

00:23:45.840 have been times

00:23:46.460 where the city of

00:23:47.020 Chicago, if you

00:23:48.060 went back far

00:23:49.120 enough, it certainly

00:23:49.800 had nowhere near

00:23:50.420 that number of

00:23:51.320 murders.

00:23:52.780 So, Clay, I

00:23:53.620 think that this

00:23:54.880 is something that

00:23:55.620 Republicans are

00:23:56.440 going to continue

00:23:56.860 to win on as

00:23:58.060 an issue.

00:23:58.620 I think they're

00:23:59.000 going to continue

00:23:59.520 to bring more

00:24:00.180 people over to

00:24:00.820 their side because

00:24:01.620 this is a just

00:24:03.260 reasonable or

00:24:04.320 unreasonable thing.

00:24:06.240 This isn't

00:24:07.180 something that, as

00:24:08.500 we've discussed,

00:24:09.940 should fall along

00:24:11.540 deeply partisan

00:24:12.540 lines, although it

00:24:13.260 does fall along

00:24:13.880 partisan lines.

00:24:15.100 And I would just

00:24:15.620 remind everybody

00:24:16.340 that the BLM

00:24:19.240 2.0 era, even

00:24:21.500 when that was

00:24:22.220 really going, when

00:24:23.560 they would actually

00:24:24.220 talk to people, when

00:24:25.140 they would do

00:24:25.480 polling in high

00:24:26.440 crime neighborhoods,

00:24:27.080 they might say

00:24:28.620 things like, oh, I

00:24:29.500 want justice for

00:24:30.220 George Floyd, but

00:24:31.840 they'd also say, I

00:24:33.780 think more cops

00:24:34.300 would help.

00:24:35.100 There's a lot of

00:24:35.740 that.

00:24:36.160 You know, if you

00:24:36.740 look at the real

00:24:37.560 data on this, people

00:24:39.760 who live in high

00:24:40.620 crime neighborhoods

00:24:41.320 want less crime in

00:24:42.340 those neighborhoods,

00:24:42.900 and they have

00:24:43.340 an understanding

00:24:43.960 of, we need

00:24:45.540 more cops to

00:24:46.560 get this done.

00:24:47.380 They don't want

00:24:47.760 the cops to use

00:24:48.340 excessive force.

00:24:49.520 They don't want

00:24:49.880 the cops to, and

00:24:50.880 that brings me to

00:24:51.740 body cams for a

00:24:52.740 second here, Clay.

00:24:54.540 You know, I've

00:24:55.280 been on this little

00:24:56.120 kick online because

00:24:57.260 it must be said, I

00:25:00.020 remember there was

00:25:01.140 all this talk, all

00:25:02.000 this stuff about, oh

00:25:02.840 my gosh, because

00:25:03.760 you know, even back

00:25:05.040 in like the Occupy

00:25:06.180 Wall Street era, there

00:25:07.880 were all these

00:25:08.200 anti-cop protests

00:25:09.300 that were part of

00:25:09.940 it, racist, murdering

00:25:11.020 cops that would have

00:25:11.660 these banners up and

00:25:12.600 all this stuff.

00:25:13.820 What body cameras

00:25:14.620 show, whether it's

00:25:15.860 just someone who's

00:25:16.940 being drunk,

00:25:18.280 disorderly, and

00:25:18.940 really entitled, you

00:25:19.740 know, do you know

00:25:20.580 that I'm an assistant

00:25:21.560 district attorney, sir?

00:25:23.520 Excuse me, sir.

00:25:25.520 You know, the cops

00:25:26.580 like, yeah, I don't

00:25:27.320 care.

00:25:27.880 I don't care.

00:25:28.700 You're not, you've

00:25:29.420 been trespassed from

00:25:30.220 premises, or somebody

00:25:31.900 coming at an

00:25:32.600 individual with a

00:25:33.160 knife.

00:25:33.400 I mean, I just saw

00:25:33.860 this yesterday.

00:25:35.400 Without body

00:25:36.200 cameras, we all

00:25:37.040 know this, the

00:25:37.840 community, the

00:25:38.800 community organizers,

00:25:41.080 whatever that means,

00:25:41.860 would be saying

00:25:42.980 that these were

00:25:43.660 murders committed

00:25:44.800 by cops.

00:25:45.440 Yes.

00:25:45.880 And every time

00:25:46.440 there was a

00:25:47.460 minority shot by a

00:25:48.900 police officer, if

00:25:50.180 we didn't have body

00:25:51.000 cameras, if there

00:25:52.140 was any daylight to

00:25:54.220 tell everybody, you

00:25:55.960 know, the national

00:25:56.500 media to tell

00:25:57.080 everybody that this

00:25:57.760 was a racist cop

00:26:00.300 murdering somebody,

00:26:01.260 we'd have to go

00:26:02.200 through that whole

00:26:03.240 national hand

00:26:04.300 rigging, oh my

00:26:04.980 gosh, racism, and

00:26:06.240 we have to talk

00:26:06.720 about Jim Crow and

00:26:07.580 the legacy of

00:26:08.140 slavery and all these

00:26:08.820 things.

00:26:09.080 Well, with body

00:26:10.060 cameras, what you

00:26:10.600 see is cops, a lot

00:26:12.540 of the cops, Clay, that

00:26:13.400 I see in these

00:26:13.940 incidents are far

00:26:15.500 more patient than I

00:26:16.580 would be as a cop,

00:26:17.780 I'm saying.

00:26:18.400 Like, if I saw

00:26:19.120 myself in their

00:26:19.900 shoes, I would

00:26:21.020 have gone to

00:26:22.600 force probably

00:26:23.460 quicker than they

00:26:24.420 do, which says a

00:26:25.060 lot to me.

00:26:26.180 I mean, the most

00:26:26.980 recent one that I

00:26:28.080 was watching video

00:26:28.900 of yesterday, a

00:26:30.480 woman comes

00:26:31.120 storming at a

00:26:31.840 police officer with

00:26:33.020 a butcher knife,

00:26:34.700 knife, and I'm

00:26:36.220 telling you, if

00:26:37.800 these cameras

00:26:40.060 didn't exist, I

00:26:41.060 can think of five

00:26:41.780 or six different

00:26:42.560 cases where you

00:26:43.380 watched it on

00:26:44.160 camera and you

00:26:44.740 said, man, that

00:26:46.580 cop is lucky to be

00:26:48.960 alive, because what

00:26:50.360 people don't realize,

00:26:51.520 the camera actually

00:26:52.540 shows you, and you

00:26:54.480 know this because

00:26:55.020 you're a highly

00:26:57.480 trained marksman,

00:26:58.920 but the amount of

00:27:00.180 time it takes for

00:27:01.260 someone to get to

00:27:02.380 you, even if they

00:27:03.560 don't have a gun,

00:27:04.640 with a knife or

00:27:05.820 with something that

00:27:06.860 they could use in a

00:27:07.960 violent way on you

00:27:09.640 is almost

00:27:10.860 instantaneous, right?

00:27:12.160 This is where you

00:27:13.080 get the 20-foot rule,

00:27:14.100 they teach law

00:27:14.640 enforcement, they

00:27:15.240 teach in the intel

00:27:16.540 agencies and

00:27:17.660 military.

00:27:18.800 If somebody's within

00:27:19.560 20 feet and you

00:27:20.420 have to come out of

00:27:21.040 the draw out of a

00:27:21.860 holster, I know a

00:27:23.300 lot of you are like,

00:27:24.260 fuck, I can draw.

00:27:25.260 Okay, fine, but the

00:27:26.200 average person and

00:27:27.640 the average cop who

00:27:29.100 has a gun is not

00:27:30.660 going to be able to

00:27:31.320 get an aim shot off

00:27:32.680 at somebody storming

00:27:33.540 them at an able-bodied

00:27:35.340 male within 20

00:27:36.120 feet, if they have a

00:27:37.260 knife, they're going

00:27:37.660 to stab you.

00:27:38.260 You might kill them,

00:27:39.500 but they're going to

00:27:39.940 stab you first.

00:27:41.160 Yeah, and also, I

00:27:42.660 think it shows, because

00:27:43.880 what did you hear a

00:27:44.600 lot of?

00:27:45.220 Why don't they just

00:27:45.740 shoot them in the

00:27:46.140 leg instead?

00:27:47.740 Which is one of the

00:27:48.640 most ridiculous when

00:27:49.800 you're being charged.

00:27:50.340 And a lot of these

00:27:50.900 body cameras, you see

00:27:51.740 people get shot in the

00:27:52.520 leg and they're still

00:27:53.340 stabbing.

00:27:54.360 And also, you see how

00:27:55.900 hard it is when

00:27:56.880 someone is running at

00:27:57.920 you trying to do ill

00:27:59.300 to you to hit them

00:28:01.880 at period, right?

00:28:03.080 Like, I mean, you're

00:28:04.080 reacting, your body is

00:28:05.340 like, it is, I think

00:28:07.260 it's putting people

00:28:08.280 because the body

00:28:08.960 cameras, not only are

00:28:09.800 they showing what the

00:28:11.280 officer sees, but

00:28:13.220 they're putting people

00:28:14.360 inside of the

00:28:15.400 officer's body, right?

00:28:16.880 Because effectively, you

00:28:18.520 then are, you know,

00:28:19.600 everybody wants to play

00:28:20.580 shooter video games,

00:28:21.820 right?

00:28:22.140 Like the Fortnights of

00:28:23.560 the world, there are a

00:28:24.760 ton of them, the Call of

00:28:26.260 Duties that are super

00:28:27.620 popular.

00:28:28.080 When you are standing

00:28:29.820 there in the officer's

00:28:31.600 perspective, you, I

00:28:33.740 think most people have

00:28:34.540 the reaction, a lot of

00:28:35.460 people do, Buck, that

00:28:36.240 you just had of, man,

00:28:37.840 this officer is actually

00:28:39.200 way more conciliatory

00:28:41.440 than I might well be in

00:28:43.160 this situation.

00:28:44.040 Well, this also goes to

00:28:45.740 something, this is when

00:28:47.100 you think about this, and

00:28:47.980 this is true of all these

00:28:48.800 different law enforcement

00:28:49.600 debates that happen about

00:28:51.380 what is reasonable and

00:28:53.600 also what the incentives

00:28:54.860 are here.

00:28:56.040 And we have a lot of

00:28:56.860 cops who listen to this

00:28:57.800 show, and we

00:28:58.380 appreciate that, a lot

00:28:59.200 of former cops listen to

00:29:00.280 this show, all of them

00:29:01.920 know that even in the

00:29:03.700 best of circumstances,

00:29:05.540 in terms of clarity, for

00:29:07.500 a lethal, lethal use of

00:29:09.180 force incident, there,

00:29:11.080 it's, you've taken a

00:29:12.800 human life, there's

00:29:14.020 psychological trauma

00:29:14.920 that comes along with

00:29:15.760 that, you're going to

00:29:16.360 get put, there's going to

00:29:17.020 be an investigation of

00:29:18.320 this, even, I'm talking

00:29:19.140 about the most clean

00:29:20.080 shoot, so to speak,

00:29:21.160 imaginable, like somebody

00:29:22.760 running at you with a

00:29:23.620 knife, or someone pulling

00:29:24.740 out a gun, you're saying

00:29:25.640 drop it, drop it, drop it,

00:29:26.640 drop it, you know, on

00:29:27.160 video, they're still

00:29:28.520 going to put you on

00:29:29.260 leave, you've still

00:29:30.320 taken a human life,

00:29:31.320 there's a, there's a

00:29:32.240 psychological toll from

00:29:33.760 that, a lot of military

00:29:34.740 guys know this, and, you

00:29:36.800 know, the point is,

00:29:38.080 nobody wants to do that.

00:29:39.100 No one's looking to do that

00:29:41.720 in law enforcement, except

00:29:43.780 in the most extreme and

00:29:45.640 unusual circumstances, where

00:29:47.380 you get some kind of a

00:29:48.120 psychopath in there,

00:29:48.940 because there's like a

00:29:49.460 hunt, there's basically a

00:29:50.400 million cops in this

00:29:51.260 country, so you're, you

00:29:52.920 know, a million of

00:29:53.700 anything, you're going to

00:29:54.320 have a couple of

00:29:55.020 lunatics, but in general,

00:29:57.020 they're not trying to do

00:29:57.940 anything other than get

00:29:58.920 home to their families and

00:30:00.060 do their jobs, and, you

00:30:02.160 know, there's the, there's

00:30:04.180 that old joke, Clay, it's

00:30:05.440 like, I don't remember all

00:30:06.620 of it, and some of you

00:30:07.080 remember it, but it's,

00:30:08.280 you know, heaven is, like,

00:30:10.840 the, the, the British are

00:30:11.940 the cops, and, you know,

00:30:14.360 the, or the, yeah, and

00:30:16.280 the British are the cops,

00:30:17.160 the Italians are the, are

00:30:19.160 the cooks, the French are

00:30:20.500 the, I forget what it is,

00:30:21.980 but I always think about

00:30:23.020 how people point to the

00:30:24.000 British as having such good

00:30:25.540 police, and I sit here,

00:30:27.020 I'm like, actually, given

00:30:28.020 the amount of violence and

00:30:29.000 stuff that Americans have,

00:30:31.400 that, you know, that

00:30:32.080 American cops have to go

00:30:33.120 through, American cops are

00:30:34.800 phenomenal.

00:30:36.620 I agree, I mean, I think

00:30:39.660 if you actually contemplate

00:30:42.460 and look at this, there

00:30:43.880 was, to be fair, a lot of

00:30:45.480 police that were saying,

00:30:46.480 hey, we don't really want

00:30:47.460 body cams on us, remember

00:30:48.820 it wasn't, but I think

00:30:50.680 increasingly every cop out

00:30:52.560 there is saying, yeah,

00:30:53.920 we've got to have this,

00:30:54.860 it's protected.

00:30:55.220 I totally butchered this

00:30:56.360 joke, so can I just

00:30:57.220 remind, you know, heaven is

00:30:58.760 where the cooks are

00:30:59.540 French, the police are

00:31:01.120 British, the mechanics are

00:31:02.780 German, the lovers are

00:31:04.340 Italian, that was one I

00:31:05.300 couldn't remember, and

00:31:06.140 everything is organized

00:31:06.980 by the Swiss, and hell is

00:31:08.920 where the cooks are

00:31:09.900 British, the mechanics are

00:31:12.240 French, and everything is

00:31:13.920 organized by the Italians.

00:31:15.040 Anyway, you get the idea.

00:31:17.760 Italy is an amazing country,

00:31:19.820 but boy, oh boy, is it a

00:31:20.900 mess.

00:31:22.080 Yeah.

00:31:23.180 Yeah, you don't want to have

00:31:24.480 to get your Wi-Fi linked up

00:31:26.400 in Italy.

00:31:26.980 That's like a six-month

00:31:28.380 operation, from what I'm

00:31:29.360 told.

00:31:29.740 And you don't want to have

00:31:30.440 to ask a French person to

00:31:31.540 help you on anything.

00:31:32.580 I'm not going to disagree.

00:31:35.360 I'm not going to disagree

00:31:36.060 on that one.

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00:32:46.240 Sometimes all you can do is

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00:32:50.340 it with the Sunday hang.

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00:33:00.100 We have some changes afoot

00:33:02.600 thanks to RFK Jr. at

00:33:05.660 HHS, Florida Surgeon General

00:33:08.380 Joseph Vladipo, and others

00:33:11.300 who are making moves and

00:33:15.440 changing things up after what

00:33:17.140 we saw, in my opinion, and I

00:33:19.060 think many share it, I know

00:33:20.720 Clay shares it, was the

00:33:23.040 absolute abdication of

00:33:25.880 impartiality, science-based

00:33:28.200 medicine, and basic

00:33:29.420 responsibility by the

00:33:31.120 medical establishment

00:33:32.160 during COVID.

00:33:35.400 And that was during the

00:33:36.760 early days when Trump was

00:33:40.180 reliant on that, on those

00:33:42.200 agencies to act the way that

00:33:44.340 they were supposed to at some

00:33:46.600 level.

00:33:47.020 And then during the Biden

00:33:48.600 years where it just got worse

00:33:49.760 and crazier and more absurd,

00:33:52.200 I just want to tell you

00:33:53.780 something that immediately

00:33:55.540 annoys me is when anyone

00:33:58.780 says they did the best they

00:34:00.960 can, it was complicated, no

00:34:03.080 absolutely unacceptable, because

00:34:05.360 they weren't arguing then,

00:34:07.680 they weren't arguing we need a

00:34:08.980 vaccine mandate because things

00:34:11.280 are complicated and we're not

00:34:12.920 sure, but we think that this

00:34:14.480 makes sense given they were

00:34:16.000 saying, shut your face, I don't

00:34:18.240 want to hear it, you're not

00:34:19.560 allowed to go to church, you're

00:34:20.500 allowed to go buy weed, but

00:34:22.180 get the vax or you lose your

00:34:23.720 job, get the shot or you can't

00:34:25.640 go to a restaurant.

00:34:27.000 We know what's true here, we

00:34:28.600 know what the facts are.

00:34:30.020 They did that and then they

00:34:31.640 were wrong on top of it.

00:34:33.320 It is unforgivable, there is

00:34:35.120 no excuse for it, and people in

00:34:37.060 the medical profession who

00:34:38.120 pushed this and went along with

00:34:39.380 this should be ashamed of

00:34:40.940 themselves.

00:34:42.040 The airline attendants who

00:34:43.440 were enforcing, you know,

00:34:45.240 masking at their whim, that

00:34:47.760 in some ways was the absolute

00:34:48.740 worst.

00:34:49.180 Like, there were people, and

00:34:50.840 I know this has happened to

00:34:51.580 me, there were people who

00:34:52.700 thought, you know what, I'm

00:34:54.060 going to go up to someone

00:34:54.860 now, your mask has been off

00:34:56.100 your face while you're eating

00:34:57.060 a little too long.

00:34:57.880 I'm going to tell you to

00:34:58.480 please cover up.

00:35:00.200 Think about the mentality.

00:35:01.420 I mean, these are the people

00:35:02.300 the Soviets used as prison

00:35:03.660 guards in the gulag.

00:35:05.080 They enjoy the little thrill of

00:35:06.760 power and harassing other

00:35:07.920 people.

00:35:08.320 There's something deeply wrong

00:35:09.480 inside of them.

00:35:10.500 They didn't have to do it.

00:35:11.960 I mean, that's the case I

00:35:12.740 always go to, Clay, because

00:35:14.000 you could have just not been a

00:35:16.640 psycho and said, okay, they're

00:35:18.280 eating.

00:35:18.680 I'm going to let them eat

00:35:19.500 their food.

00:35:20.200 You know, that's within the

00:35:20.960 rules.

00:35:21.800 But no, no.

00:35:22.800 Mask up between bites.

00:35:24.060 Sir, you're taking a little

00:35:24.840 too long.

00:35:25.380 Could you mask up between

00:35:26.360 bites?

00:35:27.200 The people who did that

00:35:28.320 should forever hang their

00:35:29.420 heads in shame because

00:35:30.360 they're morons and they're

00:35:31.460 sheep, and they're the

00:35:32.440 reason that there are

00:35:33.940 totalitarianisms that still

00:35:35.960 exist to this day.

00:35:37.720 To this day.

00:35:39.220 Around the world.

00:35:40.560 Unfortunately.

00:35:41.120 In fact, the second largest

00:35:42.000 country in the world is a

00:35:43.920 totalitarian dictatorship.

00:35:44.960 So what does that tell

00:35:45.660 you?

00:35:46.460 Now, let's get into the

00:35:47.880 pushback against the

00:35:49.200 madness here.

00:35:49.880 First of all, Florida

00:35:50.780 Surgeon General, Harvard

00:35:53.500 trained doctor, Joseph

00:35:55.460 Latipo, spoke about ending

00:35:57.380 the vaccine mandates in this

00:35:58.880 state, the great state of

00:36:00.860 Florida, under Ron DeSantis'

00:36:02.900 stewardship, a fantastic

00:36:03.980 place.

00:36:05.040 Play 14.

00:36:05.940 The Florida Department of

00:36:07.100 Health, in partnership with

00:36:09.100 the governor, is going to be

00:36:11.000 working to end all vaccine

00:36:14.300 mandates in Florida, all of

00:36:16.900 them, all of them.

00:36:21.400 Every last one of them, every

00:36:24.220 last one of them is wrong and

00:36:26.480 drips with disdain and slavery.

00:36:30.500 Who am I as a government or

00:36:33.440 anyone else or who am I as a

00:36:35.280 man standing here now to tell

00:36:37.100 you what you should put in

00:36:39.480 your body?

00:36:40.880 Who am I to tell you what

00:36:44.100 your child should put in your

00:36:45.740 body?

00:36:46.540 I don't have that right.

00:36:48.500 Clegg, and I also just throw

00:36:49.720 in there before, Dr. Oz,

00:36:51.760 also, we're going to have him

00:36:53.440 on today, but we got Nicole

00:36:54.280 Sapphire on later.

00:36:55.860 We need to bring some MD

00:36:57.100 expertise.

00:36:57.600 Here's Dr. Oz against vaccine

00:36:59.300 mandates.

00:37:00.600 I would definitely not have

00:37:01.660 mandates for vaccinations.

00:37:03.680 This is a decision that a

00:37:04.980 physician and a patient should

00:37:06.340 be making together.

00:37:07.560 Their parents love their kids

00:37:08.600 more than anybody else.

00:37:10.000 I could love that kid, so

00:37:11.120 why not let the parents play

00:37:12.280 an active role in this?

00:37:13.580 There are some states now

00:37:14.640 we're seeing an increase in

00:37:15.860 homeschooling because parents

00:37:17.140 are running from the

00:37:17.940 health care system.

00:37:18.940 They can't get health care

00:37:19.820 because doctors are unwilling

00:37:20.880 to take the risk of taking

00:37:21.860 care of children who don't

00:37:23.100 want vaccinations because it

00:37:24.540 might impact the way their

00:37:26.320 practices are run.

00:37:27.260 They shouldn't feel pressure

00:37:28.380 from the government to decide

00:37:30.240 what to do with the

00:37:30.960 vaccination schedule.

00:37:32.060 They should do what's the

00:37:32.940 best interest of the person

00:37:34.600 in front of them that states

00:37:35.460 a child and what those

00:37:36.600 parents desire.

00:37:37.780 That's how the system is

00:37:38.740 supposed to run.

00:37:39.760 The floor is yours, sir.

00:37:42.560 This is one of those

00:37:43.600 situations where, frankly,

00:37:46.060 COVID made me question a lot.

00:37:49.000 And I bet there's a lot of

00:37:50.540 moms and dads out there that

00:37:52.160 are the exact same as me.

00:37:55.440 I didn't question anything on

00:37:57.380 the vaccine schedule for my

00:37:58.760 kids.

00:37:59.600 I've got 17, 14, 10-year-old

00:38:01.780 boys.

00:38:02.140 Obviously, we haven't really

00:38:03.440 been through the vaccine

00:38:04.860 process in a long time.

00:38:08.500 But as soon as COVID happened,

00:38:10.380 I said, my kids are not

00:38:11.460 getting the COVID shot.

00:38:13.340 And I was looking at the data.

00:38:16.000 Thankfully, they did not get

00:38:17.320 the COVID shot.

00:38:18.660 I think that a lot of parents

00:38:20.380 out there who did get their

00:38:21.880 COVID, their kid, the COVID

00:38:23.140 shot, probably some of you are

00:38:24.440 listening to us now because

00:38:26.360 you were still willing to go

00:38:28.000 along with the public health

00:38:29.300 establishment, I have a lot of

00:38:33.140 questions about why we have

00:38:34.760 the number of shots that we

00:38:36.260 give our kids now.

00:38:37.640 I do.

00:38:38.780 And look, I am not going to go

00:38:41.180 through the, Buck, you now

00:38:42.920 have got a baby boy that I

00:38:45.160 remember thinking it seems like

00:38:47.080 they get a lot of shots.

00:38:48.600 More shots than I got when I was

00:38:50.540 a kid.

00:38:51.020 More shots than any of you out

00:38:52.540 there in your 30s or 40s or

00:38:54.800 50s or 60s got.

00:38:56.260 And I just look around and I

00:39:00.120 do feel like much of what RFK

00:39:03.520 Junior and the Maha moms are

00:39:05.460 saying is true.

00:39:07.260 It feels to me like we have a

00:39:09.760 lot more sick kids now, a lot

00:39:13.180 more allergies with kids, a lot

00:39:15.760 more public health issues with

00:39:18.500 young kids now than we used to.

00:39:21.520 And I can tell you this, Clay,

00:39:25.180 where this is an ongoing

00:39:26.360 discussion in my house right

00:39:27.600 now, and we are doing both a

00:39:30.420 slow, a spread out in the

00:39:33.840 vaccine schedule as in like

00:39:35.640 taking time between them and

00:39:37.500 also doing a a la carte system

00:39:40.720 for the vaccine system or the

00:39:42.660 vaccine choices, as in we have a

00:39:44.900 very good MD down here who was,

00:39:48.820 you know, look, if you're going

00:39:50.020 to be my kid's doctor, I got to

00:39:52.180 tell you this, you better not

00:39:53.300 still have a mask up sign in

00:39:55.020 your office, which does still

00:39:56.440 exist in some places.

00:39:58.020 So this doc lives in reality and

00:40:00.480 lived in reality during COVID

00:40:01.820 because he was a Florida based

00:40:03.120 doctor.

00:40:03.500 He's really good.

00:40:04.300 But I'll just tell you this.

00:40:05.260 I said, doc, Carrie and I were

00:40:08.160 in the office and I said, OK, so

00:40:10.600 we can get this one shot and

00:40:11.760 there's another shot that maybe

00:40:12.780 we get.

00:40:13.760 And he basically was like, look,

00:40:15.120 you know, I was like, I don't

00:40:16.200 think we need to get that second

00:40:17.160 vaccine.

00:40:18.080 What do you think?

00:40:18.680 He goes, no, you don't need to

00:40:19.560 get that one.

00:40:20.020 That one really, I don't think.

00:40:21.000 And then I said, OK, the first

00:40:22.620 one, though, what do you think

00:40:23.220 about this one?

00:40:23.640 He said, look, I'll tell you

00:40:24.400 this.

00:40:25.120 He said, I've looked at the safety

00:40:26.520 profile for a long time.

00:40:28.920 It's gotten it's gotten even

00:40:30.380 better over the years based on

00:40:31.940 on what's in it.

00:40:32.960 You know, he's kind of a more

00:40:33.840 holistic doc.

00:40:34.520 And he said, I'll tell you this,

00:40:36.060 what this prevents.

00:40:37.300 It basically is for a form of

00:40:39.300 pneumonia that babies get.

00:40:40.560 He said when I was doing my

00:40:41.700 residency, it was actually in

00:40:43.820 New York when he was doing his

00:40:44.840 residency in New York, babies

00:40:46.520 would come in every day and die

00:40:47.560 from that.

00:40:47.920 Yeah.

00:40:48.920 So he said, you know, I would

00:40:51.100 have this one.

00:40:52.040 Yeah, this one.

00:40:52.900 I would advise it was still our

00:40:54.080 choice.

00:40:54.780 It was still our choice.

00:40:55.840 But those are the kind of

00:40:57.020 conversations I think that need,

00:40:58.320 you know, it's a total risk

00:40:59.340 benefit analysis and, you know,

00:41:01.320 not being told get this or

00:41:02.900 you're not allowed to go to

00:41:03.720 school or get this or you're a

00:41:04.800 bad person.

00:41:06.420 I just again, I think that there

00:41:09.240 are a lot of, you know, they

00:41:11.600 turned anti-vax into an insult.

00:41:14.420 I actually think it is not, most

00:41:19.040 people are not anti-vax on

00:41:20.340 everything.

00:41:21.000 One.

00:41:21.960 Two, they have turned parents

00:41:25.600 asking, hey, are my kids over

00:41:28.400 medicated into a design to attack

00:41:32.220 you for asking questions?

00:41:34.600 And my general position as a

00:41:37.120 parent, and I follow this myself,

00:41:39.820 is I don't want to take anything.

00:41:41.980 I just like my wife makes fun of

00:41:45.400 me.

00:41:45.680 I don't even like to take

00:41:46.580 Tylenol, right?

00:41:47.980 Like I am just a I would rather

00:41:50.440 not put things into my body if I

00:41:53.580 don't have to and let my immune

00:41:56.180 system work.

00:41:57.100 I've never gotten a COVID shot.

00:41:58.800 I'm glad I never got the COVID

00:42:00.160 shot.

00:42:01.060 And, you know, I hope that I can

00:42:03.340 be healthy and live to 85 ish.

00:42:05.380 That's the number that's in my

00:42:06.620 head where I'm like, I'd like to

00:42:08.180 make it to 85.

00:42:09.080 That feels like a good target.

00:42:10.580 That would mean I got about 40

00:42:11.760 years left.

00:42:13.000 And I want to ideally deal with

00:42:16.520 the medical system as little as

00:42:18.940 I possibly can.

00:42:20.080 I'll give you an example, Buck.

00:42:21.020 I was just talking about this

00:42:21.880 off air and I'm going to give

00:42:23.080 them a plug here.

00:42:24.860 I'm over, I'm 46.

00:42:26.480 And so they say, hey, you need

00:42:27.560 to get a colonoscopy, right?

00:42:29.640 Like, I don't want to go to the

00:42:31.160 doctor and get anything.

00:42:32.980 I, I, my wife has to get on me

00:42:35.220 to go get a physical.

00:42:36.520 Like, I just don't want to go to

00:42:37.580 the hospital.

00:42:38.240 I don't want anything.

00:42:40.280 I did this home colon, colon

00:42:42.340 guard thing.

00:42:43.640 It seems like an amazing invention.

00:42:45.680 I, I send off my samples.

00:42:48.120 They review it.

00:42:48.940 They say, you're good.

00:42:50.000 I don't have to spend two days

00:42:51.460 getting a colonoscopy, right?

00:42:53.440 I feel like we are over

00:42:55.020 medicated and I feel like many

00:42:57.240 parents out there feel this.

00:42:59.000 And you're asking yourselves,

00:43:00.540 is it imperative that my six

00:43:03.140 month old be stuck up like a

00:43:05.180 porcupine quill, uh, I don't

00:43:07.700 know that we need to be doing

00:43:09.100 it, particularly when all of

00:43:11.300 these drug companies, again,

00:43:12.660 this is important.

00:43:14.240 All of these drug companies

00:43:15.920 need you sick in order to

00:43:18.880 basically exist as companies.

00:43:20.340 Now I'm not maligning all

00:43:22.100 drugs because bucks pointed

00:43:23.200 out like, Hey, if you're

00:43:24.520 super bipolar, you need

00:43:26.420 treatment, right?

00:43:27.220 Like there are lots of things

00:43:28.540 out there where the drug

00:43:30.360 companies have done an amazing

00:43:31.540 job helping people who

00:43:32.700 otherwise would not be able to

00:43:34.100 exist in the larger society

00:43:35.580 to exist.

00:43:36.580 Or, or, you know, if you,

00:43:37.720 if you don't want to have a

00:43:38.420 heart attack, you know,

00:43:39.280 statins are really effective.

00:43:42.020 They save a lot of lives.

00:43:43.620 If you gave me a magic wand

00:43:44.920 and you just said, Clay,

00:43:46.300 you have the ability to do

00:43:48.660 something for healthcare

00:43:49.600 aside from, you know, Hey,

00:43:51.040 everybody lives healthy to be

00:43:52.140 a hundred, right?

00:43:53.180 Um, you know, something like

00:43:54.460 that.

00:43:54.760 I think we could swipe out

00:43:56.360 kids in particular.

00:43:57.820 I think we could swipe out

00:43:59.160 75% of all medical

00:44:00.960 treatment on kids.

00:44:01.960 And I think kids would have

00:44:03.480 maybe a better health

00:44:05.080 outcome than drugging them

00:44:07.080 up.

00:44:07.300 Like we have done.

00:44:08.300 This is the great unasked

00:44:10.280 or, or unanswered, I

00:44:11.320 should say question, uh, in

00:44:13.420 the post Obamacare world,

00:44:14.800 because really what Obamacare

00:44:16.040 was, it just made all of our

00:44:17.720 healthcare more expensive to

00:44:18.940 subsidize, uh, some people

00:44:20.460 including illegals, as we

00:44:21.540 know, to pay less for their

00:44:22.520 healthcare.

00:44:23.440 And it was a massive

00:44:24.540 Medicare, I'm sorry,

00:44:25.980 Medicaid, Medicaid

00:44:27.440 expansion and the most, uh,

00:44:30.880 thorough, it's called the

00:44:31.940 Oregon study, the most

00:44:33.500 thorough randomized controlled

00:44:35.120 study of healthcare outcomes

00:44:36.600 ever, uh, for Medicaid

00:44:38.420 patients showed that having

00:44:39.800 Medicaid or not having

00:44:40.720 Medicaid made no difference

00:44:42.420 in actual healthcare

00:44:43.340 outcomes.

00:44:43.820 None, not discernible in the

00:44:45.360 least.

00:44:45.680 Yes.

00:44:46.000 So you say, well, where'd all

00:44:46.840 this, what are you spending

00:44:47.620 all this money on?

00:44:48.820 Where, where's all the money

00:44:50.100 going?

00:44:50.760 And that's when you really

00:44:52.000 start to see things.

00:44:53.020 And, uh, and you know, one

00:44:54.320 of the failures of the

00:44:56.440 failure of Obamacare as a

00:44:57.640 parent, but I just look at

00:44:58.500 the cost of the average

00:44:59.380 healthcare premium over the

00:45:00.440 last decade.

00:45:01.520 Do you think, are you getting

00:45:03.080 better healthcare now?

00:45:03.920 You are absolutely not.

00:45:05.220 And in fact, your healthcare

00:45:06.440 premium has gone up 150%,

00:45:08.400 something like that on

00:45:09.340 average.

00:45:10.000 So yeah, it was healthcare

00:45:12.360 socialism, everybody.

00:45:13.520 They just did it in a clever

00:45:15.120 and, uh, and creative way,

00:45:17.000 including lying about it.

00:45:18.700 What do you think the most

00:45:19.400 hated company that everybody

00:45:20.560 has to deal with on a

00:45:21.580 regular basis is?

00:45:23.020 It used to be a cable

00:45:23.960 company, which I know, but

00:45:25.560 it used to be the cable

00:45:26.220 company, which I actually,

00:45:27.320 I always thought the cable

00:45:28.300 company thing was good

00:45:29.120 because it showed you what

00:45:30.160 it was a lesson in

00:45:31.060 monopoly for everybody

00:45:32.180 because monopolies are

00:45:34.580 bad.

00:45:35.340 True monopolies are bad.

00:45:36.760 And they're only enabled

00:45:37.740 by the state.

00:45:38.560 My kids don't believe this.

00:45:39.980 I was telling them about

00:45:40.740 it.

00:45:40.860 I was like, they were

00:45:41.700 like, how did you used to

00:45:42.800 get, you know, games on?

00:45:43.740 I was like, well, we had

00:45:44.300 to get cable.

00:45:44.800 And they were like, well,

00:45:45.240 how does cable get?

00:45:45.960 And I was like, you move

00:45:47.040 into a new apartment and

00:45:48.560 the cable guy would be

00:45:49.480 like, Hey, I'm going to

00:45:51.000 show up at some point

00:45:52.180 between 8 p.m.

00:45:53.380 and 6 p.m.

00:45:54.660 And you basically had a

00:45:55.780 8 a.m.

00:45:56.120 8 a.m.

00:45:56.880 Sorry, 8 a.m.

00:45:57.800 And like all day, they

00:45:58.920 didn't give you like in a

00:45:59.740 couple of hours and they

00:46:01.040 would say they would show

00:46:02.120 up.

00:46:02.340 You had to sit there and

00:46:03.020 wait for them.

00:46:03.640 And if you weren't there,

00:46:04.260 they didn't show you had

00:46:06.220 to call and say, pretty

00:46:07.800 please, I'll bake you

00:46:09.000 cookies.

00:46:09.460 Come tomorrow or the next

00:46:11.000 day.

00:46:11.200 Like you were, they had

00:46:12.380 you at their mercy.

00:46:14.100 And that was reality.

00:46:15.340 I remember one time when I

00:46:16.180 was in college, pretty girl

00:46:17.560 down the hall, we were

00:46:19.860 jealous.

00:46:20.200 Like, how did you get your

00:46:22.220 cable hooked up already?

00:46:23.480 And she was like, I put on

00:46:24.520 a tank top when the cable

00:46:26.040 guy was walking down the

00:46:26.920 hall.

00:46:27.120 And I was like, Hey, can I

00:46:28.180 get you to come?

00:46:29.060 And it's like, yeah,

00:46:29.760 cable guys.

00:46:30.420 Like, yeah, of course.

00:46:31.560 They call this the Sydney

00:46:32.580 Sweeney effect.

00:46:33.600 Yes.

00:46:34.760 Cable guy.

00:46:35.580 Go figure.

00:46:36.160 Sees a pretty girl in a

00:46:37.260 tank top.

00:46:37.900 He finds a way to get her

00:46:38.920 cable hooked up.

00:46:39.900 It's not even a movie.

00:46:41.580 Although I've heard those

00:46:42.460 kind of movies.

00:46:43.600 You'd be amazed what people

00:46:45.300 can find when it's time to

00:46:46.280 move out of their family

00:46:47.140 home after years, even

00:46:49.020 decades.

00:46:49.620 We're going through the

00:46:50.260 process right now of moving

00:46:51.980 out of my house and we are

00:46:53.580 taking all of the family

00:46:55.140 photos off the bookshelves,

00:46:57.200 everything else.

00:46:58.280 We are stacking them up.

00:46:59.660 And I am thinking right now,

00:47:01.960 even for relatively recent

00:47:04.060 photos, man, we really need

00:47:06.060 to get these digitally

00:47:07.000 preserved because my kids

00:47:09.120 were born, the first one

00:47:10.220 in 08.

00:47:11.720 And that was before

00:47:13.080 everything had taken off

00:47:14.700 necessarily.

00:47:16.200 You had the digital cameras,

00:47:17.340 if you remember those days,

00:47:18.440 but you still printed out

00:47:19.780 a lot of the photos.

00:47:21.540 And a lot of those early

00:47:22.840 baby pictures for my son

00:47:24.700 are not now digitized.

00:47:26.720 We need to take care of

00:47:27.460 that.

00:47:28.040 And you probably have got

00:47:29.680 those if you got kids

00:47:30.800 around my age, but you've

00:47:31.960 also got tons of photos

00:47:34.200 from when you were a kid,

00:47:35.400 probably from when your

00:47:36.480 parents were kids,

00:47:37.560 maybe when your

00:47:38.220 grandparents were kids.

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00:49:09.360 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton

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00:49:11.320 Appreciate all of you

00:49:12.200 hanging out with us.

00:49:13.160 We're rolling through the

00:49:14.140 Thursday edition of the

00:49:15.520 program.

00:49:16.100 We bring in our friend,

00:49:17.880 Dr. Nicole Sapphire, part

00:49:19.400 of the Clay and Buck

00:49:20.040 podcast network.

00:49:20.940 You can also see her

00:49:21.700 regularly on Fox News.

00:49:23.160 She does fantastic work

00:49:24.280 across the media spectrum.

00:49:26.560 And Dr.

00:49:27.500 Sapphire, we will start

00:49:28.920 with the fireworks that

00:49:30.880 have just come as

00:49:32.700 Senator, sorry, Senator,

00:49:34.560 as the as as Robert

00:49:36.420 Kennedy was testifying in

00:49:37.800 front of many different

00:49:39.800 senators out there about

00:49:41.500 what exactly is going on

00:49:43.800 as it pertains to to rules

00:49:46.720 on COVID shots and rules on

00:49:49.240 vaccines in general and

00:49:50.860 science and everything else.

00:49:52.360 What did you take away from

00:49:55.100 that testimony and how

00:49:57.400 would you assess what is

00:49:58.900 going on right now from a

00:50:01.080 health care perspective?

00:50:02.960 Hey, guys, thanks so much

00:50:04.240 for having me on.

00:50:05.060 Yeah, I'll tell you, I

00:50:05.980 tried to live stream as

00:50:07.220 much as that Senate

00:50:08.480 Finance Community

00:50:09.700 Committee with RFK

00:50:11.360 Junior as I could.

00:50:12.200 I'm in the hospital myself,

00:50:13.720 so in between patients.

00:50:15.000 But, you know, there were

00:50:16.040 a lot of fireworks.

00:50:16.920 There were name calling.

00:50:17.880 There were yelling.

00:50:18.660 There was eye rolling.

00:50:19.820 I mean, people were

00:50:20.380 frustrated.

00:50:20.840 But here's what I find as

00:50:23.460 a lay person, but also

00:50:24.740 someone in the medical

00:50:26.280 community.

00:50:27.100 What I find frustrating

00:50:28.140 watching here.

00:50:29.100 This was all about people

00:50:30.360 just trying to get talking

00:50:31.780 points out for media

00:50:33.820 headlines.

00:50:34.700 This was not a

00:50:36.200 conversation.

00:50:37.080 This is not for the

00:50:37.920 greater good of America.

00:50:39.140 What happens in these

00:50:40.700 committee hearings?

00:50:41.460 And that is what I find

00:50:42.580 the most frustrating.

00:50:43.780 I think RFK Junior,

00:50:45.040 Secretary Kennedy, I thought

00:50:46.100 he had made some really

00:50:46.940 strong points.

00:50:48.120 I think some of the

00:50:48.820 senators made some really

00:50:50.180 strong points.

00:50:51.380 And ultimately, I think

00:50:52.740 that there was more

00:50:53.520 arguing of semantics

00:50:54.860 than anything at all.

00:50:57.040 And unfortunately for me,

00:50:58.580 looking at this from the

00:50:59.580 outside in, you know,

00:51:01.040 throughout all of COVID,

00:51:02.120 we became a very

00:51:03.100 fractured society.

00:51:04.060 And all of a sudden,

00:51:04.880 we have weaponized

00:51:06.020 public health.

00:51:06.800 We have politicized it.

00:51:08.360 And I was all I'm looking

00:51:09.880 for is what are we going

00:51:11.280 to do to bring the

00:51:12.460 country together to try

00:51:13.940 and get politics out of

00:51:15.260 public health, out of our

00:51:16.560 health care system as best

00:51:17.680 we can.

00:51:18.140 And I mean, you never

00:51:18.800 will be able to

00:51:19.960 completely, but the best

00:51:21.280 we can.

00:51:21.700 And how are we going

00:51:22.220 to unify the nation?

00:51:23.640 And unfortunately,

00:51:24.660 watching some of this

00:51:26.360 tells me that we are

00:51:27.860 nowhere closer to

00:51:29.300 unifying the nation

00:51:30.140 as we were four years

00:51:31.260 ago.

00:51:32.340 Well, I want to have

00:51:33.120 you react here to an

00:51:34.180 exchange, Dr.

00:51:35.680 Sapphire, between RFK

00:51:37.580 Junior and Senator

00:51:38.760 Wyden.

00:51:39.820 It's about 40 seconds

00:51:41.040 long.

00:51:41.360 This is cut 18.

00:51:42.480 Hit it.

00:51:42.980 I don't see any

00:51:43.900 evidence that you have

00:51:44.780 any regrets about

00:51:45.860 anything you've done

00:51:46.860 or plans to change

00:51:47.880 it.

00:51:48.380 And my last comment

00:51:49.320 is I hope that you

00:51:51.580 will tell the American

00:51:52.740 people how many

00:51:54.340 preventable child

00:51:56.100 deaths are an

00:51:57.420 acceptable sacrifice

00:51:58.800 for enacting an

00:52:00.220 agenda that I think

00:52:01.680 is fundamentally cruel

00:52:03.140 and defies common

00:52:04.100 sense.

00:52:04.680 Senator, you've sat

00:52:05.800 in that chair for

00:52:07.240 how long?

00:52:08.080 20, 25 years while

00:52:09.760 the chronic disease

00:52:11.080 in our children went

00:52:11.840 up to 76 percent.

00:52:13.400 And you said nothing.

00:52:14.400 You never ask the

00:52:15.440 question why it's

00:52:16.260 happening.

00:52:16.720 Why is this happening

00:52:17.760 today for the first

00:52:19.120 time in 20 years?

00:52:20.580 We learned that infant

00:52:21.880 mortality has increased

00:52:23.320 in our country.

00:52:24.220 It's not because I came

00:52:25.260 in here.

00:52:25.780 It's because of what

00:52:26.420 happened during the

00:52:27.060 Biden administration

00:52:27.820 that we're going to

00:52:28.520 end.

00:52:29.560 How much, Dr.

00:52:30.700 Sapphire, of the

00:52:31.880 apparent animosity

00:52:33.240 that these Democrat

00:52:34.060 senators show toward

00:52:35.520 RFK Junior is because

00:52:37.360 he's RFK Junior and

00:52:38.460 they don't like what he

00:52:39.180 has stood for in the

00:52:39.800 past or just because he

00:52:41.140 happened to be Trump's

00:52:42.020 HHS guy?

00:52:42.860 Yeah, so that's a

00:52:44.480 great question.

00:52:45.080 And first of all, that

00:52:45.980 was one of RFK Junior's

00:52:47.740 strongest messages, in

00:52:49.380 my opinion, during that

00:52:50.460 hearing, was everybody

00:52:51.740 was criticizing him.

00:52:53.640 And he's like, it turned

00:52:55.080 to crap under you guys.

00:52:56.680 You've been in office for

00:52:57.940 decades sitting on this

00:52:59.620 committee.

00:53:00.380 And this is the first

00:53:01.320 time we're having these

00:53:02.120 conversations about making

00:53:03.260 people healthier again.

00:53:04.180 So I thought that was

00:53:05.120 rather cheeky, but also

00:53:06.520 very poignant.

00:53:08.420 You know, Senator Wyden

00:53:09.420 came out saying that he is

00:53:10.700 going to be releasing a

00:53:11.600 report today.

00:53:12.360 He asked to put it into

00:53:14.300 evidence that supposedly

00:53:16.480 will show the damage to

00:53:17.740 health care of the

00:53:18.560 American people done under

00:53:20.260 RFK Junior, highlighting

00:53:21.760 chaos, corruption, and

00:53:23.260 higher health care costs.

00:53:24.840 And yet he said these

00:53:26.100 things, but we did not see

00:53:27.780 that report or the data.

00:53:29.380 So again, Wyden, I

00:53:30.680 thought, was trying to get

00:53:31.660 some of those talking

00:53:32.320 points.

00:53:33.140 At the end of the day,

00:53:34.080 and this is something I've

00:53:34.940 said now, you know, for the

00:53:36.360 last several weeks that I get

00:53:37.740 some criticism on, is that we

00:53:40.120 already know Trump derangement

00:53:41.500 syndrome is real.

00:53:42.880 I mean, one of these days

00:53:43.860 it'll be a diagnosable

00:53:45.380 condition that as a medical

00:53:46.720 doctor, I can code it and

00:53:47.920 it'll be a true diagnosis.

00:53:49.780 But the RFK derangement

00:53:52.020 syndrome is real as well.

00:53:53.140 And so for me, maybe he is

00:53:55.180 not the perfect messenger to

00:53:56.900 be out in front of the camera

00:53:58.060 talking about the work that

00:53:59.480 they're doing behind the

00:54:00.460 scenes.

00:54:01.240 He is bringing a ton of

00:54:02.660 insight and a ton of

00:54:03.600 innovation and a whole new

00:54:05.160 thought process to the HHS.

00:54:07.240 They're finally starting to

00:54:08.480 look at root causes of

00:54:10.240 chronic illness.

00:54:10.900 They're trying to make a

00:54:12.440 systems more efficient.

00:54:14.040 These are all great things.

00:54:15.180 But the moment he steps in

00:54:17.340 front of the camera or gets

00:54:18.840 behind the microphone, half

00:54:20.520 of the country is turning it

00:54:21.520 off, just like they always do

00:54:22.580 with President Trump.

00:54:23.540 And so when it comes to

00:54:24.900 public health, it would be

00:54:26.160 great for me if there was

00:54:27.540 another spokesperson who

00:54:29.040 actually came out to deliver

00:54:30.340 that message.

00:54:31.020 Because as you see, if you

00:54:32.580 look at social media right now,

00:54:33.740 people are just making fun of

00:54:34.840 Secretary Kennedy.

00:54:35.640 They're making fun of the

00:54:36.600 fact that he was breathing

00:54:37.460 heavily into the microphone.

00:54:39.400 Forget the fact that he has a

00:54:40.820 neurological condition and

00:54:42.080 what they're doing actually is

00:54:43.780 grossly inappropriate by

00:54:46.580 making fun of someone.

00:54:48.140 But they don't like him.

00:54:49.900 And that's the bottom line.

00:54:51.820 Dr.

00:54:52.400 Sapphire, I think the biggest

00:54:54.580 issue that we face as a

00:54:56.240 country as it pertains to

00:54:57.820 public health is in the wake

00:54:59.520 of COVID, many people, myself

00:55:01.480 included, have lost all faith

00:55:03.860 and public health so-called

00:55:05.760 experts to give us the best

00:55:07.540 possible advice.

00:55:09.120 What would your advice be to

00:55:11.060 try to cure what I believe is

00:55:13.680 the biggest issue in America

00:55:15.300 today, which is just lack of

00:55:16.880 trust in the wake of what

00:55:18.640 happened with COVID?

00:55:20.960 I mean, that's a very

00:55:21.880 complicated question, and

00:55:23.460 there's not going to be a one

00:55:24.600 size fits all answer to that.

00:55:27.140 But part of that is going to be

00:55:28.860 getting people that are well

00:55:30.700 respected on both sides of the

00:55:32.400 aisle, into the HHS, into the

00:55:34.740 CDC.

00:55:35.860 We undermine trust when we

00:55:38.400 like right now, what we're

00:55:39.680 dealing with right now, and

00:55:40.660 you're looking at the

00:55:41.780 conversation is surrounding

00:55:42.980 vaccines.

00:55:44.960 The CDC, we're seeing the

00:55:47.520 fallout from what happened

00:55:48.600 because not only are parents

00:55:50.060 questioning the COVID

00:55:50.960 vaccines because the CDC

00:55:52.560 doubled down on the mandates

00:55:54.640 long after science changed.

00:55:57.220 The reality is now parents are

00:55:59.060 questioning all vaccines and

00:56:00.280 just really questioning public

00:56:01.900 health in general.

00:56:03.720 And so we have to take a big

00:56:04.860 step back.

00:56:06.000 And what was settled science

00:56:07.780 for the last several decades,

00:56:09.000 if people truly believe that

00:56:10.940 it's still settled science and

00:56:12.380 the data is there to support

00:56:13.720 it, then you need to show the

00:56:15.280 data.

00:56:15.720 Because just saying, well, this

00:56:17.780 is what's the right thing to

00:56:19.620 do, that doesn't work anymore.

00:56:21.600 We can't have that paternalistic

00:56:23.140 attitude when we're talking to

00:56:24.840 the American people because the

00:56:25.960 American people are educated.

00:56:27.880 They want to make informed

00:56:28.960 decisions.

00:56:30.240 And when you have this digital

00:56:31.460 era where all of a sudden

00:56:33.440 they're realizing that the

00:56:35.000 truth is at their fingertips

00:56:36.240 and it's not necessarily just

00:56:37.800 from the mouthpieces that

00:56:38.940 they're seeing from the CDC or

00:56:40.320 whatnot, you have to make sure

00:56:42.320 that you are being very

00:56:43.600 nuanced in the recommendations

00:56:45.000 for public health.

00:56:46.460 Part of that is going to be

00:56:47.480 right now, RFK Jr.

00:56:49.220 is having to put together the

00:56:50.580 vaccine advisory committee.

00:56:52.500 He got rid of all the original

00:56:54.180 members because he said that

00:56:55.780 they were essentially all part of

00:56:57.260 the industry standard and it was

00:56:58.960 time for them to go.

00:57:00.240 And while he may not disagree

00:57:01.320 with a lot of them needing to

00:57:02.980 go, he's kind of swinging that

00:57:05.080 pendulum far the other way by

00:57:07.080 putting all new members on that

00:57:08.820 are part of his inner circle and

00:57:10.740 his inner thinking.

00:57:11.980 We have to make sure that we have

00:57:14.000 full dialogue and debate on these

00:57:16.160 committees.

00:57:16.780 So we can't just go from one

00:57:18.320 inner circle to the next.

00:57:19.500 We need to start building these

00:57:21.140 institutions with people who are

00:57:23.160 going to last much longer than just

00:57:25.400 an administration.

00:57:27.680 Are there just way too many

00:57:28.900 vaccines, Dr.

00:57:29.880 Sapphire, in your opinion, in the

00:57:32.040 suggested schedule for

00:57:34.480 children?

00:57:35.280 I think the number we had Dr.

00:57:37.620 McCary on and he said it was

00:57:39.040 something like 70 or something

00:57:41.440 along those lines over the course

00:57:43.040 of now.

00:57:43.480 I know some of those are multiple

00:57:44.440 shots and they're given over years.

00:57:45.860 That does seem like that just

00:57:47.500 seems like a lot of shots.

00:57:49.040 Sure.

00:57:49.480 So in my humble opinion, I think

00:57:51.180 that we need to look at the

00:57:53.520 recommended childhood vaccine

00:57:55.440 schedule.

00:57:56.600 What's happening in Florida where

00:57:57.960 they're just trying to do away with

00:57:59.260 all vaccine mandates.

00:58:00.400 That's a completely different

00:58:01.620 conversation.

00:58:02.500 What I'm talking about is not

00:58:04.120 necessarily implementing

00:58:05.760 mandates or recalling or, you

00:58:07.840 know, getting rid of the

00:58:08.540 mandates.

00:58:08.880 I'm like, let's reevaluate what

00:58:10.480 we're even recommending.

00:58:11.940 Can we change the timeline?

00:58:13.980 Does every single child need all

00:58:15.940 of these vaccines?

00:58:16.680 Because the reality is not all

00:58:18.200 vaccines are created equal.

00:58:20.020 Lumping them together just

00:58:21.120 completely erases the science.

00:58:23.280 The MMR vaccine, the one with

00:58:24.760 measles, that provides decades

00:58:26.700 of protection while the

00:58:28.520 pertussis one, that immunity

00:58:30.100 wanes within months.

00:58:31.960 And the public health messaging

00:58:33.480 has to acknowledge the

00:58:34.920 differences because we're

00:58:36.000 undermining trust when we

00:58:37.820 pretend that every vaccine

00:58:39.420 works the same.

00:58:40.720 And Americans truly deserve

00:58:42.300 nuance.

00:58:43.020 I think we can we can change

00:58:45.500 the vaccine schedule.

00:58:46.360 We can actually decrease the

00:58:47.700 amount of vaccines children

00:58:49.180 get without risking the safety

00:58:51.260 of the individual child or the

00:58:53.200 community.

00:58:53.600 But it just means you have to

00:58:55.100 open up that conversation and

00:58:56.940 you have to be willing to have

00:58:58.120 that conversation because

00:58:59.200 unfortunately, you have a lot

00:59:00.880 of people who have a head.

00:59:02.000 They're heading to stand right

00:59:03.020 now with that vacuum thought

00:59:05.160 mentality of, well, if you

00:59:06.980 start changing it now, you're

00:59:09.060 going to change the whole thing

00:59:10.060 and that's going to creep in

00:59:11.000 vaccine hesitancy.

00:59:12.300 But if you don't acknowledge the

00:59:14.080 people's concerns and you don't

00:59:15.580 acknowledge all vaccines aren't

00:59:17.000 created equal, you're actually

00:59:18.580 promoting vaccine hesitancy more

00:59:20.360 than anyone else.

00:59:22.120 How can people find your podcast

00:59:24.780 and dive in if they haven't

00:59:27.080 already, Dr.

00:59:27.860 Sapphire?

00:59:28.800 Well, thanks to you guys.

00:59:29.920 Wellness Unmasked with Dr.

00:59:31.200 Nicole Sapphire is part of the

00:59:32.600 Clay and Buck family.

00:59:33.860 We have a weekly rundown every

00:59:35.900 Friday at 10 a.m.

00:59:37.320 with about just five minutes of me

00:59:39.140 telling you what happened that

00:59:40.400 week.

00:59:40.660 We're going to go all through the

00:59:42.040 hearing tomorrow and then on

00:59:44.280 Tuesdays dropping at 10

00:59:45.780 Wellness Unmasked, you have a

00:59:47.260 longer full episode.

00:59:48.800 Next week, you'll hear me with

00:59:50.560 Jennifer Ghilardi.

00:59:51.960 She's the Senior Policy Analyst for

00:59:53.840 Restoring American Wellness at the

00:59:55.720 Heritage Foundation.

00:59:57.120 We talk all things make America

00:59:58.800 healthy again.

00:59:59.860 We get into a little bit of a

01:00:01.040 healthy debate on some things and

01:00:02.720 I'll tell you, it's a great

01:00:04.040 interview.

01:00:04.740 So please make sure to catch it

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01:00:09.020 Okay, I gave you all that, but I

01:00:12.700 meant to ask you this as well.

01:00:14.040 So I encourage you to go follow

01:00:15.980 Dr.

01:00:16.400 Sapphire on the Clay and Buck

01:00:17.440 podcast network.

01:00:18.860 Wellness Unmasked, Dr.

01:00:20.160 Sapphire.

01:00:21.260 Tremendous collection of talent

01:00:22.580 there.

01:00:23.520 What's the worst date you've ever

01:00:25.240 been on, doctor?

01:00:26.140 Because Buck brought up the

01:00:27.780 English patient.

01:00:28.980 I realized that I went on a high

01:00:30.360 school date to watch that movie,

01:00:31.820 which was not a great movie to go

01:00:33.240 on as a high schooler.

01:00:34.420 We just had Katie Miller on.

01:00:36.300 Do you recall the worst date that

01:00:38.960 you've ever been on in your life?

01:00:40.280 Is there one that stands out?

01:00:42.120 I think the worst date I've ever

01:00:43.480 been on in my life was my first

01:00:44.820 kind of date, or not even a date,

01:00:46.820 but when I met my husband.

01:00:48.480 Because we actually met in a wine

01:00:50.680 bar during a medical conference,

01:00:52.440 but I was drinking hot tea and

01:00:55.680 this guy comes up to me and he

01:00:57.680 starts, he's thinking that my tea

01:00:59.680 is spiked and the whole time he

01:01:01.920 just cannot believe that I'm just

01:01:03.600 drinking herbal tea while sitting

01:01:05.780 in a wine bar.

01:01:06.520 And it was very awkward and very

01:01:08.400 uncomfortable.

01:01:09.240 And 20 years later, we're married

01:01:11.000 with kids.

01:01:11.780 Wait, how did he, how did he make

01:01:13.060 the transition?

01:01:13.960 Like, how, yeah, what?

01:01:14.900 Yeah.

01:01:15.180 Like, how did he go from like,

01:01:16.500 Hey, like, I think something's

01:01:17.640 been spiked in your tea to, I'd like

01:01:19.840 your phone number.

01:01:21.080 Oh, he was asking for my phone

01:01:22.740 number the whole time.

01:01:23.800 It took about two years for us to

01:01:25.880 actually go on a date, but the man

01:01:28.240 was persistence.

01:01:28.920 And I'll tell you, persistence pays

01:01:30.680 off.

01:01:31.020 I had a very wise man tell me for

01:01:33.720 many years, persistence is the key

01:01:35.280 in all things.

01:01:36.220 So there you go.

01:01:37.120 Dr. Sapphire.

01:01:38.160 Thank you so much.

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