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00:00:40.760 Welcome in, Tuesday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:45.340 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we embark on another day of truth-telling

00:00:51.540 in what is often a sea of anarchy and frankly lies.

00:00:56.460 We're going to update you on a strike that has taken place inside of Qatar targeting Hamas

00:01:03.380 leaders who had been running Hamas from there.

00:01:07.880 What the full impact is, we will dive into that and what it means going forward in the

00:01:13.880 Middle East.

00:01:15.060 Again, big story there.

00:01:16.780 These were the Hamas leaders who helped to set in motion the October 7th terror attack.

00:01:24.360 And this was, again, a very targeted strike against the absolute top of Hamas inside of

00:01:30.140 Qatar.

00:01:31.440 Now, there are a lot of different angles to hit on this.

00:01:36.720 And I know you hit on a bunch of them yesterday, Buck, but I have been reading all weekend

00:01:43.640 long and into the start of the week all about what happened in Charlotte where this young,

00:01:51.360 innocent 23-year-old woman was stabbed in cold blood on public transportation in Charlotte

00:01:58.040 by an individual who'd been previously arrested 14 times.

00:02:02.180 And I know you talked about this some yesterday, Buck, but my Twitter feed and my email has been

00:02:07.820 blown up from people talking about the veterinarian in Auburn, Alabama, who was murdered also by

00:02:16.100 another individual that should have never been out on the streets.

00:02:21.180 And I know many of you out there have seen these stories, but it's important to recognize that

00:02:28.040 by and large, there is no coverage of stories like these in the New York Times, in the Washington

00:02:35.200 Post, at CNN, MSNBC, they mostly ignore it because it tells a story that they do not want

00:02:43.320 to address or even acknowledge in any way.

00:02:45.900 And in fact, when they do cover it, it's often covered through the prism of, oh, people on the

00:02:52.360 right are upset about this event, as if that is the reason why it should be covered.

00:02:59.420 And I know you dove into this, and we've talked about it a lot on the program, but I don't

00:03:03.480 think you can solve major issues of violent crime in this country until we have an actual

00:03:09.240 conversation about where violent crime is coming from.

00:03:12.640 And overwhelmingly, violent crime in this country is clustered in black neighborhoods, often 0.99

00:03:19.600 involving young black men. 0.99

00:03:21.700 That is a reality.

00:03:23.060 It makes people uncomfortable to even mention because, oh my goodness, it's racist in some

00:03:28.520 way.

00:03:28.760 And in fact, I want to play this audio clip that I think is emblematic of being fearful

00:03:35.000 of actually addressing the issue at hand.

00:03:38.000 And this was from CNN, where they talk about it only in the context of, well, some people

00:03:44.660 online are upset about this.

00:03:47.380 And this is Brian Stelter on CNN saying the Charlotte murder is just a political symbol.

00:03:54.320 And unfortunately, in his mind, many things that are being said online are, quote, baldly

00:04:00.820 racist.

00:04:01.960 So listen to cut to this story has trickled up from so from local news to social media and

00:04:08.620 now to the president's attention.

00:04:09.880 And it's being used, as you said, Brianna, as a political symbol with MAGA media calling for

00:04:14.560 more forceful punishments and more incarceration.

00:04:17.560 I have to say, some of the replies to Musk, some of the comments around this story are

00:04:21.460 baldly racist, stoking fear of African-Americans because this man attacked a white woman.

00:04:27.580 The open racism on sites like X today, it's eye-popping.

00:04:31.320 But there are also legitimate questions about this so-called career criminal, someone who

00:04:35.820 had been a repeat offender.

00:04:37.020 And those questions, I hope they're not lost amid all of the cesspool kind of comments on

00:04:41.980 social media.

00:04:42.600 OK, I think this is an important conversation we should have, Buck.

00:04:46.260 And I know you talked about it some yesterday.

00:04:49.240 It is not racist to point out the race of someone who commits a violent crime.

00:04:54.820 Here is what let me just make it clear, because I think this is important.

00:04:58.120 And I know you guys get it.

00:04:59.140 But maybe in your conversations, you're nervous about having conversations about this because

00:05:03.340 you're afraid of being called racist.

00:05:06.160 Here is what is racist. 0.99

00:05:07.460 Being racist is saying, hey, you're going to commit a crime because you are black with 0.98

00:05:14.160 no evidence whatsoever of that being the case. 0.98

00:05:17.040 Right.

00:05:17.340 That is racism.

00:05:18.600 It is not racist to look at data and say, boy, of all the murders that are being committed

00:05:25.500 in America, the vast majority, if you analyze it from a per capita basis, are being committed 0.97

00:05:31.500 by young black men.

00:05:32.960 And we should have a conversation about why that is, because the data actually reflects

00:05:38.520 that if young black men committed, for instance, rates of violent crime at the same rate as white

00:05:45.360 or Asian young men do, we basically wouldn't have a violent crime rate in the United States

00:05:51.060 that is anywhere approaching what we have here now.

00:05:54.400 Right.

00:05:54.820 I mean, it would actually be at least two or three times as safe of a country.

00:06:00.380 If you were to eliminate the just the disparity in the black crime rate in this country, I 1.00

00:06:05.580 believe we would be on a per capita basis, have fewer homicides than Canada.

00:06:10.940 So that gives you some sense of which has actually, I think, had some crime problems in recent

00:06:15.660 more recent years.

00:06:16.400 But there's a huge disparity by the numbers.

00:06:19.140 But I wanted to focus in on, for a moment, of course, Stelter, who, what did Tucker used

00:06:26.520 to call him, like the village eunuch or something like this?

00:06:29.400 I mean, he had some phrase for him that was particularly, yeah, Brian Stelter is really a perfect

00:06:37.380 representation of, like, low-T, liberal, the future is feminine. 0.84

00:06:44.180 When, you know, the white male to the Democrat Party is essentially comprised of, first and

00:06:51.800 foremost.

00:06:52.840 And for him to say that it raises questions.

00:06:54.980 No, I don't think it actually raises questions.

00:06:57.200 We have the answers, Clay.

00:06:58.880 Yeah.

00:06:59.400 When someone has been arrested 14 times, when they've sexually assaulted women or assaulted

00:07:05.980 women, I think I should, violently assaulted women two times previously. 1.00

00:07:09.520 This is somebody who needs to be taken out of circulation for a while, and you want to

00:07:15.240 try rehab, you want to try to, you know, to bring Jesus into his life, you want to make

00:07:20.940 him a better person, fine.

00:07:22.660 Do so in a facility, also known as a prison.

00:07:25.580 That is the reality that we have to deal with here, okay?

00:07:28.340 That is what has to happen.

00:07:30.460 The decision was made here over and over again to let this individual continue to terrorize

00:07:37.920 people, and we have to ask why.

00:07:40.780 What is the mindset?

00:07:42.240 We're going to have on a state senator from, or is it a state senator or a state congressman?

00:07:46.640 Congressman, I think.

00:07:47.260 Oh, a congressman, I'm sorry.

00:07:48.080 Oh, a congressman, I'm sorry.

00:07:48.260 Yeah, two.

00:07:49.600 Who represents this area.

00:07:51.060 Congressman from North Carolina represents this area.

00:07:53.480 We'll ask about what the processes are, if there are any to hold judges accountable.

00:07:57.780 It's very hard in general.

00:07:59.780 Clay could go into this at length.

00:08:01.180 It's very hard in general to hold judges accountable for anything.

00:08:04.080 You can.

00:08:05.140 There's a process, but it's difficult.

00:08:06.300 Um, but we should ask, why did this judge decide to let this guy go effectively unpunished?

00:08:14.700 It's not like he just got out of a 25-year sentence and decided to re-offend.

00:08:18.560 I mean, this guy was wandering around the streets and was obviously a threat to people.

00:08:23.740 So, Clay, I just, I completely reject this.

00:08:26.880 Oh, there are legitimate questions.

00:08:29.000 You know, stelters.

00:08:30.040 The legitimate questions raised by the way the system may have felt.

00:08:33.440 No, this is actually the system giving the product that the system wants to give, which is higher crime rates, more risk to the general population, more risk to women, more risk to minorities disproportionately, because it makes certain people feel better about themselves because they think some of this conversation is icky.

00:08:52.200 That's the essence of it.

00:08:55.120 A lot of people are uncomfortable with acknowledging what the data shows.

00:08:59.860 And to me, you cannot address an issue until you objectively and rationally examine it.

00:09:06.060 And this is why I said the whole BLM protest was focused on something that basically doesn't happen very often. 0.94

00:09:13.480 That is, uh, violent white attacks on black people because of their race. 0.62

00:09:20.700 It's almost non-existent in the country. 0.96

00:09:22.760 Not say that it never has.

00:09:24.180 It's almost non-existent.

00:09:25.660 In fact, if you go look at the data, the number of white people that engage of violent acts against black people is almost, almost zero.

00:09:34.620 And statistically.

00:09:36.340 And it's also true, Clay, because we talked about this yesterday, uh, uh, it's also true that police killing or even using excessive force against unarmed black men statistically is very, very rare.

00:09:50.040 But isn't it fascinating, Clay?

00:09:51.200 We can have one after another suicide bomber all yelling Allahu Akbar, all from the same religious background, all having similar profiles.

00:09:59.340 And we're told that's not representative that doesn't count.

00:10:03.200 There's no problem there, but then there'll be one cop involved in one incident with, whether it's George Floyd or Mike Brown and whole neighborhoods have to burn down.

00:10:12.820 And everybody has to sit around and, and bend the knee and beg forgiveness for the past wrongs.

00:10:17.480 I have done nothing.

00:10:18.480 I have done nothing racist.

00:10:19.700 I am not a part of any racist system. 0.99

00:10:21.380 And I absolutely reject all of that crap. 0.97

00:10:24.400 And I think people have just realized that's where you got to be with this. 0.98

00:10:27.280 You can't play the game anymore.

00:10:28.460 Well, and here's where I think the media often, very often is incredibly flawed.

00:10:35.380 And we talk about this, but, and I know many of you think about it.

00:10:38.120 I don't know that you really think about it on a central level.

00:10:41.500 Most of media today is anecdote.

00:10:44.240 Uh, and I think that is exacerbated by everybody having a cell phone.

00:10:48.680 And so any incident can go viral to me, an honest media only covers anecdote when it is representative

00:10:58.360 of a larger issue that needs to be addressed.

00:11:02.020 It should align with the data, but we see the opposite where they actually try to pretend the

00:11:07.280 anecdote is the data or representative of the data.

00:11:11.020 This is why it is a lie.

00:11:12.040 It is a lie by statistics or it is a lie by the omission of reality.

00:11:16.200 And so if, and you all know this, but if that, uh, if that had been a young black girl, 23 year

00:11:24.540 old sitting on that public transit in Charlotte and a white guy had stabbed her in the throat,

00:11:30.600 every single television station in America would lead with it for multiple days.

00:11:37.220 We would all have to have national conversations about what that represented, by the way, they

00:11:43.000 would say, this is a, this is what happens in Trump's America.

00:11:45.820 They would take it right to Trump.

00:11:47.260 You and I know that.

00:11:48.540 And so if you are not treating this in a similar fashion, and by the way, all of you out there

00:11:55.800 in right wing land, although I would submit it is just sanity land, uh, who are listening

00:12:02.780 to us right now, all of you would be immersed in that story.

00:12:07.480 You would not be able to avoid it because right wing media would cover it too.

00:12:13.720 The left basically doesn't cover this story.

00:12:16.960 All of you are aware of it, but I think it's important that we have this conversation.

00:12:21.820 Okay.

00:12:22.380 We could just take calls and we have before where we have black listeners to this show who

00:12:27.820 will just call in and say that this is, we are discussing the reality of the media's

00:12:32.640 treatment of these subjects.

00:12:33.940 We could just take calls for an hour from people listening right now to our audience

00:12:37.880 who are black would say, yeah, the media is playing games here that, you know, it's, it's

00:12:42.260 the media that is doing the misrepresentation.

00:12:44.420 It's the media that is bringing these narratives and the Democrat party and the, all this stuff

00:12:49.360 about structural racism and everything else.

00:12:52.060 They bring ideology into this.

00:12:54.640 We just want there to be less crime.

00:12:57.020 We want everyone to be safer.

00:12:58.340 We want to do what is necessary so that nobody, black, white, Asian, Hispanic. 1.00

00:13:02.640 Christian, Muslim, Jew, no one's getting stabbed on the subway.

00:13:05.600 That's actually the goal here.

00:13:07.640 And then we treat everyone as an individual, but treating people as individuals also means

00:13:12.420 viewing their right to be safe walking down the street in their neighborhood as more

00:13:18.200 important than what your friends at the golf club after you're done with your MSNBC hit

00:13:23.480 in Chevy Chase.

00:13:24.500 Think about what you said on TV.

00:13:26.240 And objective data, if we are going to truly address violent crime, objective data reflects 0.96

00:13:33.580 that young black men in particular overwhelmingly are responsible for violent crime. 0.99

00:13:39.800 So if we are going to put more police on the streets and if we are going to address violent 0.98

00:13:45.700 crime, that is going to lead to more young black men being arrested.

00:13:50.680 That's not racism.

00:13:51.740 Again, I think this kills the argument, but I think it's one good one to put in your back

00:13:56.220 pocket.

00:13:57.180 It's not sexism that men are arrested for around 95% of all violent crimes.

00:14:02.760 It's because men are more violent as a group than women are. 1.00

00:14:07.440 Okay.

00:14:08.140 So I think this story is huge.

00:14:11.080 I think it goes to the essence of frankly, where Trump is right, which is saying we can't

00:14:16.320 live in a country where violent crimes like these are allowed to happen.

00:14:19.680 And when the people perpetrating them have been arrested 14 times.

00:14:24.240 Well, this is the other part.

00:14:25.240 There's so many layers here, Clay.

00:14:26.680 This is there's there's failure of the narrative.

00:14:28.520 The Democrats want to tell you there's the lie that we can all see.

00:14:31.440 I told you, I mean, I was laughing my butt off watching the Jussie Smollett documentary.

00:14:36.300 I mean, it is high comedy that anyone believes.

00:14:38.880 But let's remember, Clay, first of all, he was fine.

00:14:41.560 He had like a tiny scratch.

00:14:42.780 It looked like he maybe cut himself shaving.

00:14:44.480 And it was a national outrage.

00:14:47.500 Yes.

00:14:48.040 Kamala Harris was weighing in.

00:14:49.760 I mean, Joe Biden was weighing in.

00:14:51.320 It's still up.

00:14:51.960 It was a huge.

00:14:52.880 Oh, my gosh.

00:14:53.440 Look at this. 0.99

00:14:53.980 All the racism against black people. 0.97

00:14:55.740 All the all the anti LGBTQ, all this stuff. 0.99

00:14:58.480 All a lie.

00:14:59.500 Okay.

00:14:59.840 But that was immediate national conversation.

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00:15:05.620 system is too afraid of looking like it's racist when it enforces the law.

00:15:09.120 That's actually not a conversation we should have as a country.

00:15:11.900 Which one of those things matters more to the American people in their daily lives?

00:15:17.540 We've got to force this issue.

00:15:18.880 No doubt.

00:15:19.640 And here's another one I'll add.

00:15:20.960 I think that this doesn't help the black community because, one, it allows violence to continue.

00:15:26.700 But, two, liberal white people who are trying to say, oh, we can't have this conversation,

00:15:32.520 they actually don't want things to get better.

00:15:35.480 And I think a lot of black voters are slowly starting to recognize this.

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00:15:43.640 They don't at all.

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00:17:31.800 Caroline Leavitt, White House Press Secretary, is speaking about the DeCarlos Brown murder, alleged murder on that light rail.

00:17:40.080 Let's hear what the press secretary has to say.

00:17:42.060 This monster should have been locked up.

00:17:44.980 An arena should still be alive.

00:17:46.960 But Democrat politicians, liberal judges, and weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than lock up criminals and protect their communities.

00:17:55.040 And perhaps most shamefully of all, the majority of the media, many outlets in this room,

00:18:00.440 decided that her murder was not worth reporting on originally because it does not fit a preferred narrative.

00:18:06.380 Many of the journalists in this room spilled plenty of ink trying to smear Daniel Penny for defending a subway car from a deranged lunatic in New York City.

00:18:16.240 But none of those same reporters lift a finger to write stories about an actual murderer.

00:18:22.800 Here is the truth that every American must know.

00:18:25.140 Too many innocent people across the country continue to pay the price of the failed experiment known as cashless bail.

00:18:32.460 That has been championed by the Democrat Party for years.

00:18:36.540 All the way back in 2020, North Carolina's then-Democrat Governor Roy Cooper established a so-called task force for racial equity and criminal justice.

00:18:46.000 Sounds nice, but it's not.

00:18:47.720 That task force was co-authored by then-Attorney General and current Democrat Governor Josh Stein.

00:18:53.280 It recommended, quote,

00:18:54.440 Democrats in North Carolina and nationwide are consumed with pushing a woke, soft-on-crime agenda, no matter how many innocent Americans suffer as a result.

00:19:19.000 Instead of aggressively prosecuting and locking up violent criminals, the Democrat-backed, cashless bail approach lets these criminals roam free in our country to offend again and again.

00:19:30.900 These reckless policies have turned too many, many of American cities into hunting grounds for career criminals who mock our justice system, drain law enforcement resources, and wreak havoc on law-abiding citizens.

00:19:43.300 Enough is enough, and that is why President Trump is doing everything in his power by taking action to undo these absurd policies.

00:19:52.120 The president recently signed a powerful executive order directing the AG to submit a list of states and local jurisdictions with cashless bail policies

00:20:00.700 so that the Trump administration may identify federal funds that are being provided to these states and can potentially be suspended or terminated.

00:20:09.640 President Trump firmly believes that to maintain order in public safety, we must incarcerate individuals whose pending criminal charges or criminal history demonstrate a clear, ongoing risk to civil society.

00:20:23.200 This is a common-sense and sensible approach that the vast majority of Americans agree with, and it's time for the Democrat Party to get on board with what is right.

00:20:32.280 When these criminals are caught, they must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and be sent to prison where they can no longer terrorize our streets.

00:20:40.800 This is the mandate the American people delivered to President Trump, and it's a mandate he intends to fulfill.

00:20:46.580 Staying on the topic of public safety, new preliminary data released today by Customs and Border Protection in August shows that President Trump has delivered the most secure border in American history.

00:20:58.060 For the fourth straight month, zero illegal aliens were released into the United States.

00:21:03.620 All right, so Clay, let's come back here.

00:21:05.740 Although I will say that's a very important stat she just threw out there.

00:21:09.320 She was switching that the border is entirely secure.

00:21:13.280 I want to get to the conversation about criminal justice, of course, but she just threw that in there at the end as we were transitioning out of our live feed.

00:21:19.720 And the border is secure in terms of illegal alien crossings.

00:21:25.760 This is this isn't if you had told me that Trump had achieved an 80 percent or 90 percent reduction, I would say, wow, that's that's really a remarkable turnaround.

00:21:36.920 Great success.

00:21:37.660 It's more like a ninety nine point something percent reduction.

00:21:41.500 It's it's almost a total a totally secure border, at least when it comes to illegal crossings.

00:21:46.960 So that's one piece of this.

00:21:49.500 But I think Caroline Levitt obviously fired up about this. 1.00

00:21:53.920 She's a young woman.

00:21:54.760 She's a young mom.

00:21:55.520 She's a wife. 1.00

00:21:56.440 She has to you know, she knows what it is to be on public transit.

00:22:01.140 She probably takes the subway in D.C. 0.99

00:22:03.620 Metro, they call it in D.C.

00:22:05.140 Sometimes I think for women in particular, Clay, who see this video, it is their worst imaginable horror that they're just going through their day.

00:22:14.480 And some maniac stabs them with a knife from behind for absolutely no reason.

00:22:20.500 And although I know there are people that are starting to ask, well, what was the motivation behind this?

00:22:24.900 And was there was there a hate crime angle to this?

00:22:28.600 Notice that's not being talked about very much.

00:22:30.820 But nonetheless, Clay, the the feelings that people have about this coming out right now, I think it's important.

00:22:36.860 It's powerful.

00:22:37.260 And it's good that the White House is addressing it.

00:22:39.780 Yeah.

00:22:40.180 And again, the end goal here should be we should drive down the number of murders in this country massively.

00:22:48.920 And I just this is one of those things that sometimes I just I can't believe that Democrats are lined up in opposition to this.

00:22:59.300 Because I just don't see this as a remotely partisan issue.

00:23:04.120 Everyone out there should be in favor of way lower rates of violent crime.

00:23:08.820 And for Democrats basically to come out and say, well, rates of violent crime are actually getting better.

00:23:16.160 OK, I hope that's true.

00:23:18.760 To a large extent, better just means we're going back to what the numbers looked like before the BLM protests and covid.

00:23:25.880 That was still too high.

00:23:28.420 So I don't understand why you wouldn't extend your hand.

00:23:31.160 I give credit to Mayor Muriel Bowser of D.C. for saying this is something I want to work with the president on.

00:23:37.820 Let's actually make it safer.

00:23:39.300 But I saw the numbers shared the other day.

00:23:41.800 Murders are down 60 percent in Washington, D.C.

00:23:45.920 since Trump mobilized the National Guard and took control of the crime issues in Washington, D.C.

00:23:53.140 Now, I don't know that he can do that.

00:23:55.880 Over the course of a year or over the course of a couple of years, I would hope that he can.

00:24:02.360 But even if he can't, there are dozens of kids.

00:24:07.160 And I say kids because most of them are young that are going to be walking around in D.C.

00:24:12.820 this fall that would otherwise be dead if the president hadn't taken that action.

00:24:18.220 How can you say that's a bad thing?

00:24:20.900 And the number of left wing white people, because I look at these protests and it's all white people walking around saying we don't want more troops on the streets.

00:24:33.680 We don't want more cops. 0.95

00:24:36.640 They live in such a crazy fantasy world and their brains are so broken that what they're basically doing is marching in favor of violence, overwhelmingly directed at young black and brown people, which is ostensibly what the entire purpose of Black Lives Matter was. 0.99

00:24:53.680 Was right now, it was flawed because the premise of BLM was, oh, cops are the reason why young black men are being killed at high rates. 0.98

00:25:03.600 It's not actually true at all. 0.59

00:25:05.060 Young black men are being killed at high rates by other young black men.

00:25:08.600 No one, if you look at the data, is able to argue anymore, Buck, that police are somehow the problem.

00:25:16.120 You're seeing how many lives police protected because as soon as they weren't able to do their job, murder rates skyrocketed.

00:25:22.300 We're also seeing a shift in perception that is related to an old, longstanding policy of lib news organizations.

00:25:32.600 And I remember a perfect example of this is New York One is a channel in New York, Clay, New York City, that is if if Pravda was like transported from the Soviet Union to New York City, it would be New York One.

00:25:49.140 I mean, it is so left wing.

00:25:50.640 It is so all about whatever the party needs, whatever the committee decides of the left.

00:25:56.660 But you could see there, you could see it on local news as well.

00:26:00.580 And I would watch I watch this.

00:26:02.440 I watched local news in New York growing up.

00:26:04.080 Right.

00:26:04.220 I would watch these different channels.

00:26:05.480 I actually had an aunt who was a well-known local news broadcaster for many years in New York.

00:26:10.840 And she's the one with red hair, for those of you who are wondering.

00:26:13.960 And the the common thing you'd see is, oh, there was a report today of a violent, you know, violent maniac like chasing somebody and hitting somebody in the head with a rock.

00:26:26.200 And we have a suspect here.

00:26:30.140 The suspect is five foot ten, one hundred eighty five pounds and male.

00:26:33.620 But then they'd also sometimes show the you know, that they'd show like a sketch, a police sketch.

00:26:39.640 And you'd look.

00:26:40.460 You go, OK, so this is a black guy. 0.79

00:26:42.080 But they wouldn't say that they would.

00:26:44.100 They would often just leave out the description of the suspect by race.

00:26:48.060 They would just describe it as a man, one hundred eighty five pounds.

00:26:50.720 And this became more and more common.

00:26:52.580 Also, they remove the racial descriptor from headlines, depending on who it is.

00:26:58.780 The white guy stabbed somebody in, you know, stabbed somebody to death in Staten Island. 0.94

00:27:02.820 Trust me, they're going to make sure you all know that it's a white guy who stabbed somebody to death. 0.97

00:27:05.860 They they do this.

00:27:07.140 This has been longstanding policy that they won't describe the race of a perpetrator.

00:27:11.780 If the race is is black or Hispanic, generally speaking, local local news, a lot of others.

00:27:18.140 Or they'll try to bury it far down.

00:27:20.040 This has changed, though, Clay, because of body cameras, because of surveillance cameras and because of the free sharing of that information on X.

00:27:31.220 So now whenever whenever there's a really nasty crime that occurs somewhere in the country, you know, what producer Ali just sent us something.

00:27:40.440 What did they drive like a truck into a what was it?

00:27:43.360 A watch store or something.

00:27:45.640 And they beat some some 88 year old guy.

00:27:48.940 I mean, whenever there's a really we get to see who's doing it.

00:27:52.280 So the media can tell us as much as they want that we're not actually observing a pattern.

00:27:57.680 But people are observing a pattern because they can see on the video what is happening in this instance.

00:28:03.640 And in many other cases, just like it.

00:28:06.140 And this is where I come back to at its best.

00:28:10.980 The job of the media should be to take anecdote and utilize it to tell a story about why something larger matters, because all of us respond to individual stories better than we do raw data.

00:28:26.160 So you can sit back and say, hey, the rate of violent crime in Memphis, Tennessee is whatever it is per one hundred thousand.

00:28:35.780 And you can put that into a flow chart.

00:28:38.220 And some people you and I would be data nerds who would look at this and say, oh, let's address this.

00:28:46.100 Most people don't respond to numbers.

00:28:49.220 They respond to story.

00:28:51.280 And so the murder of the 23 year old young Ukrainian girl on video as it was is actually illustrative of rates of violent crime that are too high.

00:29:04.240 And so the same thing happening with Lakin Riley and her murder in an in Athens, Georgia, all of these are crystallizing larger issues that exist.

00:29:17.120 The problem with left wing media is they largely tell stories that are not representative of larger issues like I don't know if you talked about this yesterday, but compare how Daniel Penny on public transit in New York City.

00:29:34.240 Responding to a violent person who has a long history of crimes in the past who was making threats on on public transportation.

00:29:45.200 Look at how that response was covered.

00:29:49.160 I mean, it charged him with a crime compared to how it's been covered in The Washington Post, for instance, or MSNBC and CNN.

00:29:58.060 What happened on the public transit in Charlotte?

00:30:01.020 But I mean, it's impossible to justify that from a news gathering perspective.

00:30:08.580 You know, the blaze and others have reported this, Clay, but I haven't seen this getting more widespread coverage yet.

00:30:16.340 But we looked into this.

00:30:17.660 We've played the audio.

00:30:18.820 We put it through Grok.

00:30:20.760 We put it through.

00:30:21.200 By the way, AI also is playing a role in all this, too, because people can get instantaneous answers about so much now without the filter of communists running Google.

00:30:29.820 So so Grok is a fantastic tool.

00:30:33.600 But when you look at Grok to Carlos Brown, the guy who stabbed this girl, I know people get sometimes frustrated when we say allegedly.

00:30:39.580 I mean, technically, it is allegedly he hasn't you know, he hasn't actually been convicted yet.

00:30:42.880 But we saw on video.

00:30:45.380 He says, I got that white girl.

00:30:48.460 I got that white girl multiple times on the video. 0.56

00:30:51.780 That seems like a assuming that that is factual and accurate, which, again, the blaze where I used to work has reported this as accurate.

00:31:00.820 And the video is out there.

00:31:01.940 That seems to be another detail of the story that people should become familiar with and understand.

00:31:07.520 Well, that changes things a bit as well, doesn't it?

00:31:10.000 And when we look at motivation.

00:31:14.200 I'm with you.

00:31:15.240 We'll come back to this where hate crimes in general, I think, are I care about the crime, not as much the motivation for why the crime was done.

00:31:25.560 But, again, if this is one of those situations where you say, if we reverse the races, if a white guy stabbed a little, you know, young, innocent black girl like this young, innocent white girl was.

00:31:37.880 And then the white guy is saying, I got that black girl.

00:31:40.740 I got that black girl. 1.00

00:31:42.100 It's the lead story on CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and The Washington Post for weeks.

00:31:48.880 There might well be riots in the streets.

00:31:51.620 All of that, and now this has happened in Charlotte, and to a large extent, much of the audience that consumes that video, those outlets, has no idea it happened.

00:32:03.860 Okay.

00:32:04.800 Much less serious.

00:32:06.620 Infinitely less serious.

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00:33:43.900 Welcome back in.

00:33:44.900 Hour number three.

00:33:45.680 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:33:47.800 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

00:33:50.360 We are joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore.

00:33:54.760 Leading a response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman on the Charlotte Light Rail.

00:34:04.680 I should mention there are more videos coming out of the stabbing.

00:34:11.580 And you can see no one coming to this young woman's aid, despite the fact they can see her clearly being stabbed.

00:34:19.960 I would suggest, I know this is dark and it is uncomfortable, but Congressman, as we bring you in, why has the full video not been released?

00:34:31.900 And I don't say that because I am in favor of showing violent acts, but I do think it's important that we see what actually happens.

00:34:44.260 And certainly, if you think about the George Floyd video, the entire George Floyd video was shared and used to drive the burning of so many American cities and to set an artificial narrative about police.

00:34:58.820 The narrative that there is far too much violent crime and that criminals who are arrested are let far too often back on the streets is one that is actually accurate. 0.99

00:35:09.340 And in the case of this murder, 14 time arrested serial felon who finally decided that he was going to kill and that he was going to say that he was motivated to kill this woman because she was white.

00:35:23.580 And Congressman, Congressman, you represent a part of North Carolina and also a part of Charlotte.

00:35:30.580 What is the reaction from your constituency and what do you think about why we have yet to see this full video released?

00:35:39.200 Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show.

00:35:41.560 I wish it were under better circumstances, obviously.

00:35:43.860 The reaction of folks that I'm hearing from back home in North Carolina are simply the same thing that you hear, the same thing that your listeners are probably feeling when they see this, when they hear about this.

00:35:57.680 It's absolutely discussed, and it's a breakdown in the system.

00:36:02.340 And what we've seen time and time again, and particularly in some of the blue, North Carolina is a red state, but Mecklenburg is a blue county.

00:36:12.920 And we see in a lot of cities around the country where you get these liberal judges that get in and these liberal magistrates that come in, and they have these woke policies where they just are just soft on crime.

00:36:24.960 And to your point, this guy, I mean, this guy was a convicted felon with a violent rap sheet, had skipped court in the past, had firearms offenses.

00:36:36.760 And this guy, I mean, he should have never been on the street where he could do this.

00:36:41.540 And, unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident where this is just like a one-off.

00:36:48.560 I mean, I would submit to you these things happen every day throughout our country, which is, by the way, one reason that I'm co-sponsoring with Elise Stefanik a bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments that fail to adhere to cash bail policies.

00:37:07.720 You know, if these guys are being held under a cash bail, they're going to be in jail.

00:37:12.080 And a lot of people, frankly, they shouldn't even be given bond where there's such a dead danger and a menace to society.

00:37:18.680 But this guy clearly should have been in jail.

00:37:20.720 I mean, sure.

00:37:21.080 Congressman, we appreciate you being here with us.

00:37:23.380 So you have signed a letter, all 10 members of the North Carolina House, North Carolina House, these are Republicans, obviously, demanding the removal of unelected magistrate judge Teresa Stokes, who released this repeat offender who went on.

00:37:39.940 Tell us about this process.

00:37:42.080 And is it likely to succeed to try to have this judge removed?

00:37:46.080 Because I know state by state, these rules can be can be very different.

00:37:50.660 Yeah.

00:37:51.240 So this is a magistrate judge.

00:37:53.140 So she's matter of fact, my understanding is she graduated law school, but never even passed the bar exam.

00:37:58.280 And I've been on the law.

00:37:59.500 I've been an attorney for 30 years.

00:38:00.880 So I, you know, I kind of know this stuff.

00:38:03.220 But she is she she can be removed by the district court judge. 1.00

00:38:08.500 She's not elected and she should be. 0.98

00:38:10.340 And I felt so, you know, I mean, I represent I'm the only Republican who represents Charlotte in Congress and the other members, the Democrat who represents most of Charlotte.

00:38:20.740 But it's just it's just disgusting.

00:38:22.800 This happened.

00:38:23.360 And she has no business being a judge and being a master. 1.00

00:38:26.480 She doesn't have any better discernment than to let someone like this loose on the streets.

00:38:30.720 I mean, this guy should have been in jail.

00:38:32.440 This should have never happened.

00:38:34.540 I, I can't believe she didn't pass the well, she didn't pass the bar.

00:38:38.840 But let's go into this, because I think you're raising a really interesting question.

00:38:42.220 I've tried to do the math.

00:38:43.660 I've been a lawyer for 21 years now, so I have managed to pass a couple of bar exams over the years.

00:38:49.640 We talked about the analogy, which I've seen shared, and I do think it's an interesting one, that if you are a bartender and you over serve someone, and as you well know, I'm sure, Congressman, if you're a lawyer there, there are significant consequences for bartenders.

00:39:04.120 At times, they can even be criminally prosecuted for over serving people who they know are a danger to the larger community, and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a result, partly, of their action.

00:39:18.860 How do we have higher standards for bartenders than we do for judges?

00:39:23.020 That's a shame, isn't it?

00:39:25.680 It certainly is.

00:39:26.920 And look, for folks to run for judge, all they have to do is be an attorney in good standing and get elected, right?

00:39:35.620 And I would say the vast majority of elected judges do a good job.

00:39:39.660 But you do have some out there that are just so far left.

00:39:43.780 But, you know, one thing we've talked about doing is actually finding, is to your point about, like, with the bartender, like in the dram shop laws, where they can be held civilly responsible for any injuries that happen as a result of serving someone who drinks too much when they're having a rug.

00:40:00.280 But we're actually looking right now at personal liability for a judge who turns someone loose and then goes out and commits a crime thereafter.

00:40:10.380 You know, maybe that's the way to get people's attention.

00:40:12.560 I mean, that's actually a bill that we're in the drafting phases right now.

00:40:16.620 Clearly, we're going to, you know, with the constitutional provisions and whatnot.

00:40:20.000 But I think there ought to be some accountability.

00:40:22.260 I mean, if somebody is doing something this bad, they ought to be responsible for it.

00:40:25.780 And so what do you think about the moves by the federal government because of this White House, the Trump administration, to at least offer up and perhaps even get a little more forceful than that assistance from the federal law enforcement side to try to help cities that are truly crime plague?

00:40:46.820 You know, it's amazing to me that we have some of these liberal Democrat governors around the country, and I look at what's happening in Chicago and some of these other people, some of these liberal mayors who hate Donald Trump more than they love their communities and more than they love and care about the people they are supposed to represent.

00:41:09.260 I mean, so many of these communities, I'm talking to you from the District of Columbia right now, right?

00:41:15.320 I mean, and I'm a new member of Congress.

00:41:17.680 I've been here eight months. 0.57

00:41:18.940 And I showed up up here, and what I saw up here was a frigging goat rodeo in terms of the amount of crime and homelessness and drugs. 0.95

00:41:27.280 It's just embarrassing. 0.91

00:41:28.200 It's our nation's capital.

00:41:30.200 And I'm glad that the president stood up and, you know, did something.

00:41:33.980 I sent in there, and it actually has a safer feeling.

00:41:38.380 I hope it's sustained.

00:41:39.720 But this president has shown this is not a political stuff.

00:41:43.720 The president has offered this up to help, you know, to help the people that live in these cities because, you know what, when it comes to crime, it shouldn't be Republican-Democrat.

00:41:51.900 But guess what?

00:41:52.380 These Democrats are making it a partisan issue, and I'm hopeful. 0.71

00:41:56.600 I'm so hopeful that people are paying attention to this because where there's an opportunity to get help, folks ought to take it.

00:42:03.960 Because, look, look at Chicago.

00:42:05.760 I mean, they're overwhelmed.

00:42:07.480 But, you know, and back in North Carolina, you know, the point there, I think we can kind of surgically say in that case it's some of these loose bail policies being adopted by some of these liberal judges.

00:42:18.400 I mean, it really is going to require all of the above to make our cities safe again.

00:42:22.920 You know, Congressman, North Carolina is a super fascinating state, as you well know,

00:42:29.680 because there's a very big difference between, let's say, the left-wing college communities that encircle some of the campuses

00:42:37.540 and the people who live in western North Carolina or the people who live in other rural parts of North Carolina.

00:42:44.840 It's a very different state, meaning there's a lot of variety.

00:42:49.320 But doesn't it unite everyone to say, hey, to your point, we just want to be safe in the state of North Carolina,

00:42:57.100 in our big cities, white, black, Asian, Hispanic?

00:43:00.480 You hit on it, but I talked about it earlier.

00:43:02.680 I've been talking about it a lot on the show.

00:43:04.460 I'm staggered that the Democrat response to evidence of high rates of violent crime is,

00:43:10.260 well, it's a little bit better than it used to be, as if that's somehow a good thing.

00:43:14.580 Yeah, it's the craziest thing that I've seen.

00:43:20.480 And I will tell you that my district that I represent, I have urban areas in it, but I have some very rural areas.

00:43:26.620 I mean, I have a lot of the mountains of North Carolina that were ravaged by Hurricane Helena, in fact.

00:43:31.500 It's a big district.

00:43:33.100 And what I hear across that entire geographic area and across the political spectrum is people saying,

00:43:40.660 enough is enough of this crime, enough is enough of a broken criminal justice system

00:43:46.180 that values the rights of criminals over the rights of people who are just trying to be law-abiding citizens going about their business.

00:43:56.380 I mean, think about this.

00:43:57.280 I mean, this young lady, you know, fled Ukraine, coming to America for safety, is on a light rail train, is a passenger there. 0.89

00:44:09.320 You know, she's gotten off work, and this evil guy just stabs her in the neck.

00:44:15.960 And then the other thing on the video, you asked about the video.

00:44:18.140 I don't know why the rest of the video hasn't been released.

00:44:21.500 I mean, it may be to respect the vehicle.

00:44:23.180 I don't know.

00:44:23.680 I understand that argument, but sometimes you have to see a video in its totality to really shock the conscience.

00:44:33.460 And so I just would implore anybody listening out here in North Carolina, and I bet you would probably agree with me.

00:44:40.900 I'll let you answer it, too.

00:44:42.640 But to me, we need the full unedited video of what happened to understand the scope of evil.

00:44:49.100 And we should have to watch it, those of us who are adults, obviously, to recognize what we have allowed to occur.

00:44:56.320 Because it's one thing if a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts.

00:45:00.180 The guy was arrested 14 times.

00:45:02.600 I think the, oh, the guy deserves a second chance, third chance.

00:45:06.680 Nobody deserves a 15th chance.

00:45:08.400 I'm sorry.

00:45:09.520 And so I want to get your reaction to that.

00:45:11.920 But I think we need to stare into evil and see it.

00:45:15.460 I think people need to see it.

00:45:19.940 It's ugly.

00:45:21.080 And there's a video that has been, there's been additional video released.

00:45:24.320 I don't know if you guys have seen this yet.

00:45:26.220 But there's one showing right after he stabbed her.

00:45:30.560 And she's there. 0.98

00:45:31.360 And nobody, nobody on this, on the damn train even is doing anything to help her. 0.96

00:45:36.960 I'm like, I did that, and I just saw that maybe like 15 minutes before I just came on the show with you. 0.96

00:45:43.060 And I'm just, I'm still kind of stunned by seeing that, that no one, no other people on that train did a thing to help this lady.

00:45:52.380 I mean, that's just, that's terrible.

00:45:54.220 I just, I don't even know what to say about it.

00:45:56.340 I just, it's.

00:45:58.460 We have shared these videos and they're dark and disturbing.

00:46:01.980 And I would encourage you.

00:46:03.320 I know a lot of people, kids, grandkids, they don't need to watch this.

00:46:06.160 But I think every adult, you need to steal your soul and you need to watch it because you need to see what evil is capable of.

00:46:12.740 And you need to look at it and you need to think we all can do better.

00:46:16.180 And we got to get these people off our streets and we got to hold them accountable.

00:46:20.640 Well, absolutely.

00:46:22.060 And this, you know, this should be a call to action.

00:46:24.820 And what's been amazing, there's been a few of us that have been digging around, trying to find out what happened.

00:46:29.400 Because a lot of the details were kind of murky as to what exactly occurred.

00:46:33.260 And when the video got released is when a few of us were making noise about, this is terrible.

00:46:38.840 Why is nobody talking about it?

00:46:40.440 And then, of course, you guys are talking about it and others are.

00:46:42.720 But, you know, mainstream media is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly in some ways coming along talking about this.

00:46:49.280 And it's just, I mean, crime is crime.

00:46:51.800 And to your point, evil is evil.

00:46:53.580 And I do think there's a bit, I mean, it's a reminder of people to be vigilant, to be aware, to understand that evil is out there and that we need to be able to protect ourselves.

00:47:02.600 You know, we need to be able to, we need to be able to have a firearm, you know, to protect ourselves from something.

00:47:07.040 But it's just, it's a sad state, too, when, you know, there aren't folks who, when they see this, that don't intervene and try to help and try to render aid.

00:47:15.660 I'm just, you know, I do think there's, it's hard to watch.

00:47:20.320 It's hard to watch.

00:47:21.140 But you know what?

00:47:22.180 We need to stare it in the face and we need to, we need to deal with it.

00:47:26.400 But I'm going to tell you something.

00:47:27.680 This president's not sitting idly by it.

00:47:29.500 And this Congress is not sitting idly by it.

00:47:31.980 I say we're looking at legislation right now.

00:47:33.860 It's like, all right, enough is enough.

00:47:35.420 These communities are going to do things that do not follow the law and consistent law when it comes to cash bail.

00:47:42.520 Well, then there's going to be consequences and that may be losing federal dollars.

00:47:45.900 You know, that may be the only thing that'll get some of these folks' attention.

00:47:49.100 I don't know.

00:47:50.040 North Carolina Congress and Tim Moore, appreciate you being with us, sir.

00:47:52.720 Thank you.

00:47:54.020 Thanks for having me on, guys.

00:47:56.080 I hate to say it, but a lot of people out there in the wake of what they are seeing of violence all over the country are deciding to protect themselves.

00:48:06.080 And sometimes that protection can be of a lethal variety.

00:48:11.120 And a lot of you have decided that you want to buy guns and you want to protect you and your family in that way.

00:48:17.200 But also a lot of you have non-lethal methods that you want to be providing to your kids, to your grandkids, to your different homes out there.

00:48:27.500 And that's what Sabre does.

00:48:28.840 They are non-lethal.

00:48:30.020 They've got pepper spray projectiles for self-protection.

00:48:34.400 And these are amazing when it comes to protecting you without having a lethal component to it.

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00:50:38.480 Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:50:41.740 Look, we've got a lot of people reacting to the heinous murder of a young, innocent Ukrainian woman.

00:50:49.900 And that includes the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who, Buck, you and I have talked about this for years,

00:50:56.380 has an innate ability to make the people in the media who hate him talk about what he wants them to talk about.

00:51:03.720 And I think it's going to be very difficult for them not to cover as this video continues to come out.

00:51:09.280 Let me also say this before we play the audio.

00:51:11.260 Buck, are you with me that the full video has to come out?

00:51:13.860 Or do you think that it should be not released?

00:51:16.840 What's your take on that in general?

00:51:19.080 Yes.

00:51:20.120 It should come out.

00:51:20.640 I think that I think the whole video should come out.

00:51:23.120 I mean, I said this, this is, you know, I'm not recommending ever watch the full video.

00:51:28.040 But for people who want to understand exactly what happened there, yes, the full video, you know, the full video should come out.

00:51:34.800 The full George Floyd video came out.

00:51:38.200 I agree with you.

00:51:39.140 I think when the full video comes out, it becomes increasingly difficult not to cover it.

00:51:43.100 The fact that they have censored it.

00:51:44.240 By the way, this is far more, far more heinous than what happened to George Floyd.

00:51:47.560 I'm not comparing them.

00:51:48.640 I'm just saying in terms of let people see what they need to see to make the judgments about what happened.

00:51:54.460 That's the comparison here.

00:51:56.220 No doubt.

00:51:56.720 OK, here is President Trump.

00:51:58.400 This is just in the last 30 minutes or so releasing this statement.

00:52:02.640 It's two different cuts.

00:52:03.880 We'll play cut one.

00:52:04.880 We might react to it.

00:52:06.060 I'll call for more if we don't want to react to it yet.

00:52:08.520 But here is Trump reacting to the murder of this young, innocent 23-year-old Ukrainian woman on public transit in Charlotte.

00:52:16.620 For far too long, Americans have been forced to put up with Democrat-run cities that set loose, savage, bloodthirsty criminals to prey on innocent people.

00:52:26.380 Really, very, very innocent people.

00:52:29.080 In every place, they control radical left judges, politicians and activists.

00:52:33.840 And they've adopted a policy of catch and release for thugs and killers.

00:52:37.920 In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the results of these policies when a 23-year-old woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end on a public train.

00:52:49.140 A beautiful young girl that never had problems in life with a magnificent future in this country.

00:52:55.560 And now she's dead.

00:52:56.520 She was slaughtered by a deranged monster who was roaming free after 14 prior arrests.

00:53:05.020 Okay, let's play cut two.

00:53:06.960 Here, Trump continues.

00:53:08.640 We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country.

00:53:16.740 We have to respond with force and strength.

00:53:19.440 We have to be vicious just like they are.

00:53:22.540 It's the only thing they understand.

00:53:24.440 24 of the top 25 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors. 0.75

00:53:29.920 50 people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks with hundreds being shot.

00:53:35.280 And it's time to stop this madness.

00:53:37.240 The people of our country need to insist on protection, safety, law and order.

00:53:42.780 We have proven that it can be done because we did it right here in D.C., in District of Columbia.

00:53:48.980 The capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place.

00:53:54.820 One of the worst.

00:53:56.140 And now it's a crime-free city.

00:53:58.060 And we're going to keep it that way.

00:53:59.760 It can be done.

00:54:00.720 It can happen fast.

00:54:01.980 All we want is, please, Mr. President, we need help.

00:54:07.020 Chicago needs help.

00:54:08.340 Other cities need help.

00:54:09.760 We'll do what has to be done because we're going to make America safe again.

00:54:13.780 And that includes our big cities.

00:54:15.900 We're going to make those cities safe. 1.00

00:54:19.900 Fuck. 1.00

00:54:20.620 This is, again, take away Trump and just pretend that you had never heard anybody make any statement about Trump in your entire life. 1.00

00:54:30.280 This is the least controversial, most nonpartisan goal that any politician could ever have.

00:54:38.160 There are too many murders, and we're going to do whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent crime in major cities across America.

00:54:45.900 Sometimes I just think you have to step back and just look at this logically.

00:54:50.580 There's no way to be opposed to this.

00:54:52.020 But the Democrat apparatus would rather the murder rate continue where it is instead of accepting that Trump is right, accepting that the right is right,

00:55:05.940 and accepting that there will be a disproportionate rate of incarceration from increased enforcement of the law,

00:55:12.720 which will affect a very small percentage overall.

00:55:16.100 But some black men in this country, as well as, by the way, Latino men in some jurisdictions are considerably overrepresented in the incarceration rates,

00:55:26.020 but it depends where you are.

00:55:28.120 I mean, New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where that is the case.

00:55:31.380 And they would rather the murder rate continue than to accept those things, that those things will happen.

00:55:37.920 Trump is right.

00:55:38.740 The right has been correct. 0.89

00:55:40.560 And you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact, dare I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws,

00:55:48.940 or really just enforcement of them, and instead of giving people 15th and 50th chances, deciding that enough is enough.

00:55:56.560 So I think Trump is on very, very solid ground with this.

00:55:59.820 And you'll notice, Clay, I read a description of restorative justice in one of the breaks.

00:56:05.700 I was just curious to see what the – I know what it is.

00:56:08.360 I've heard people talking about it for a long time.

00:56:10.560 It's the kind of idea that people who are living in some other reality or on some other planet would come up with,

00:56:18.100 which is we're going to have victims – I'm sorry, we're going to have perpetrators reconcile with victims.

00:56:26.420 How do you do that in a case like this?

00:56:29.200 What reconciliation is it going to be for the maniac who stabs some girl to death in the throat for absolutely no reason,

00:56:34.140 other than perhaps racial animus, which now is coming out as well based on the audio?

00:56:39.460 What are you – like, what are they even talking about when they say that we need to have restorative justice?

00:56:46.840 How about just justice?

00:56:48.340 How about just the closest – by the way, you can argue, I think, very unfortunately, tragically, very effectively,

00:56:53.320 that there really is – there's no such thing as justice because you can't give this girl her life back.

00:56:57.100 But you can try to stop the next one, and you can take this person out of society so he can't threaten or harm another person,

00:57:04.840 and you can try to prohibit or try to prevent more of this from happening from others who see,

00:57:12.380 if I do this, I'm going to be punished by this state in a way that makes me very unhappy.

00:57:17.440 You know, not that I'm going to go to some rehabilitation center and be treated with kid gloves.

00:57:24.020 I've got – my anger has grown all weekend.

00:57:29.000 I watch this video, and that's why I think the full video has to be released.

00:57:34.060 We have to rectify the system that we have created where we're more concerned about criminals being treated fairly

00:57:41.740 than we are innocent people being victims of crimes.

00:57:45.640 This is basically just a balance, right?

00:57:48.820 And all of life is trying to balance equities in some way.

00:57:52.380 Who is the good person?

00:57:53.900 Who's the bad person?

00:57:55.160 Who behaved in an admirable fashion?

00:57:57.880 Who behaved in a dishonorable fashion?

00:58:00.860 How do we reconcile that in the courts?

00:58:03.440 I think what this situation is emblematic of is we have become far too concerned with how criminals are treated

00:58:11.920 and not concerned enough with how innocent people who are victims of criminals are treated.

00:58:18.620 This should never happen.

00:58:19.920 Let me hit some of your talkbacks.

00:58:21.700 Michael in Arizona listening on News Talk 550 KFYI.

00:58:26.640 What you got for us?

00:58:27.420 People are missing the big picture here.

00:58:30.140 It's not just the right Republican outrage.

00:58:32.920 It should be an American outrage, liberal, independent, non-voting, non-caring, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all of it.

00:58:41.040 Everybody should be outraged.

00:58:42.780 You shouldn't be able to murder someone like that on a train while you're coming home from work, 0.92

00:58:46.920 just sitting there minding your own business and get stabbed. 1.00

00:58:48.940 It's disgusting. 0.99

00:58:50.100 Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on the show.

00:58:52.720 This should be nonpartisan.

00:58:54.060 I would echo what he said.

00:58:55.540 And VIP email Kyle says, the congressman, we just talked with Tim Moore, says he was surprised no one intervened.

00:59:04.680 The answer is easy.

00:59:05.740 Daniel Penny, Kyle Rittenhouse, people are scared to get involved now.

00:59:09.380 You and I were talking, I don't know if we said this on air or off air.

00:59:12.240 I don't think anybody can anticipate in this situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly.

00:59:18.360 This is not a situation where a guy's walking around with a weapon in his hand.

00:59:23.140 There was no warning.

00:59:24.440 No warning at all.

00:59:25.680 And you can tell from the video, he just stood up and stabbed.

00:59:28.320 And now what you and I have said, and again, this is in the video the congressman was referring to,

00:59:33.780 is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the light rail, this Charlotte public transportation,

00:59:40.740 and no one comes to the girl's aid.

00:59:44.220 That's the unforgivable.

00:59:45.080 This girl is bleeding out. 1.00

00:59:47.060 She has no real idea probably what's happened to her at all because the stabbing happened so fast

00:59:53.360 that doesn't appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these two at all.

00:59:57.960 She gets stabbed.

00:59:59.220 She looks up at him.

01:00:01.160 He walks past.

01:00:02.280 The weapon is dripping blood.

01:00:04.220 And other people in that section of the train see her leaning over as her blood is starting to pour out as her life is leaving.

01:00:13.500 And no one does anything at all to comfort her or even offer any support at all.

01:00:21.240 In fact, people stand up and walk away.

01:00:24.520 Yeah.

01:00:24.900 That is the lack of humanity we are referencing.

01:00:27.540 Now, if this, again, were a situation where the guy's waving the weapon around, nobody does anything,

01:00:33.420 I think your Rittenhouse example, I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play.

01:00:37.400 Where I would say the Daniel Penny analogy, Buck, is particularly apropos is how in the world can the Washington Post and MSNBC and CNN

01:00:47.740 and the New York Times, although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds of articles about Daniel Penny

01:00:56.080 and his behavior and justifying the criminal prosecution brought against him and largely not even cover this story.

01:01:05.000 Well, this is what we've been getting to the whole time.

01:01:07.980 It shows beyond any, there's no doubt about the ideological manipulation that goes on with these kinds of stories

01:01:15.460 and either suppression or elevation into the public consciousness, depending on whether it fits a narrative that is preferable to places like the New York Times, the Washington Post.

01:01:25.440 You know, it's interesting as well.

01:01:27.260 I mean, the video is particularly, it's horrific, the additional video as I'm watching it here, Clay.

01:01:32.580 Everyone else on the train is black.

01:01:33.820 She's the only white person on the train. 0.91

01:01:37.080 And they leave her and she is bleeding to death.

01:01:41.080 I don't even see anyone grab a cell phone to call the police, call for aid, call for an ambulance.

01:01:48.020 They essentially leave her to die.

01:01:50.400 And there's no action taken from anyone there.

01:01:54.060 Now, I understand you could say, well, maybe somebody was looking at their phone.

01:01:57.320 They didn't see.

01:01:57.800 I'm not indicting any individual in this video, but I'm saying collectively in the video, it is quite clear.

01:02:03.840 Some people knew what had just happened, and no one did even the bare humanitarian minimum here.

01:02:11.680 Call the police.

01:02:13.220 See if you can render aid.

01:02:14.900 See if you can, you know, every, you don't have to be, you don't have to be a first responder to know you got to stop the bleeding.

01:02:20.740 This woman just got stabbed in the neck. 1.00

01:02:22.120 You know, no one's taking their shirt off.

01:02:24.540 No one's trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here.

01:02:28.160 Nothing.

01:02:28.680 Nothing.

01:02:29.100 No one did a darn thing in this video.

01:02:31.640 And the question, we played the Brian Stelter audio for you, and we'll play some more of your talkbacks when we come back.

01:02:38.240 The question I ask, what percentage of, this is why I think the media coverage, somebody said, well, why do you care?

01:02:45.820 Why do you care what the New York Times writes?

01:02:47.440 Why do you care what the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC?

01:02:49.700 We know.

01:02:50.080 Yes, and I love that.

01:02:51.040 I appreciate that we're going to be honest with you every day.

01:02:53.980 If you really want to move all of America, then all of America has to experience a story that is common.

01:03:04.200 Right?

01:03:05.120 And you could be a New York Times reader.

01:03:07.940 You could be a Washington Post reader.

01:03:09.480 You could think, hey, I'm informing myself well on the stature and status of this country.

01:03:14.360 And when they don't cover a story, when they don't share factual data with the CNN audience when it comes to crime, MSNBC,

01:03:22.420 we're not commonly having a conversation because they have no idea this is going on.

01:03:27.120 Clay, without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like X that allow for free sharing on the Internet,

01:03:36.900 if this had happened 10 years, 15 years ago, people would know.

01:03:42.200 But this would be a local crime story, and we would not know about it.

01:03:44.860 Yep.

01:03:45.820 Oh, I think cameras being everywhere has created all sorts of complexities.

01:03:51.820 And if you've got teenagers out there, I'm talking about serious things.

01:03:55.340 I'm like, hey, knucklehead, maybe don't take that picture.

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01:03:59.600 Maybe don't be sending stuff like crazy all over the place. 1.00

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01:04:04.300 But I do think in situations like these and in the police body cameras' footages, 0.99

01:04:10.240 the prevalence of cameras actually allows us to see what actually occurred in a way that has never been the case throughout human history.

01:04:18.640 And I think what we're seeing is the power of media to distort reality is being exposed by the reality being presented in front of all of us.

01:04:29.320 And again, I think that's a very positive thing.

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