Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton - Apr 17 2025

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00:00:04.360 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:05.600 Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now.

00:00:11.760 Much to discuss with all of you.

00:00:15.060 Harvard, also known as Harvard, some of our Bostonite listeners, is facing an IRS move

00:00:23.540 under Trump's administration to rescind the tax-exempt status of this storied university.

00:00:33.000 And this is getting a lot of attention from Democrats who realize that their cathedral,

00:00:39.980 if you will, which is elite higher education, is coming under pressure in a way that they

00:00:47.380 really have never before.

00:00:49.320 We also have that, I don't think we got to the DOJ transgender athlete main story yesterday,

00:00:56.620 Clay, right?

00:00:57.200 We had mentioned it, so we want to spend a little time on that one today.

00:01:02.760 And it goes to the issues of safety concerns and whether there are safety concerns for

00:01:09.140 some of the, or yeah, for young women who end up having to compete with these individuals

00:01:15.200 who are trans.

00:01:16.660 We had a special guest yesterday who appeared in the White House to speak out, Patty Morin,

00:01:25.000 whose daughter was killed by an illegal alien in Maryland.

00:01:28.300 She spoke at the White House, and that will bring you some of her thoughts.

00:01:32.460 Also, Clay, just a little side note, because I'll take any excuse to throw shade at George

00:01:37.760 Clooney.

00:01:38.060 George Clooney was sitting down with CNN to talk about the bravery of writing his op-ed

00:01:45.360 to finally say that Biden, it is not brave when you are caught.

00:01:49.440 I'm just going to say there is no bravery when your team has already fumbled the ball and

00:01:55.660 the other team is trying to take it into your end zone.

00:01:58.760 We shall discuss a little bit of that.

00:02:00.640 But first thing, though, Clay, I know you are deep on the reading on this one.

00:02:06.980 You were going deep down the rabbit hole because new information came out while the Maryland

00:02:12.120 Democrat senator was down in El Salvador yesterday.

00:02:17.300 There are a lot of memes flying around about this that some of you may have seen online.

00:02:21.120 But the Maryland senator who went down there decided that he was going to make Mr.

00:02:26.900 Abrego Garcia a major concern.

00:02:31.500 This is now the primary method, the primary avenue of attack against the Trump administration.

00:02:39.080 I think, Clay, we're getting into a place where they have made this all about due process

00:02:43.840 and the system.

00:02:45.980 And I think there's a strong argument for Trump at this point that you can't have an

00:02:51.100 illegal brought back into America for the purpose of kicking him out of America. 0.84

00:02:54.480 Like there's something crazy.

00:02:55.660 There's just something inherently crazy about that.

00:02:57.520 But also their their their martyr in this case, Mr.

00:03:03.420 Abrego Garcia, we have found out this may be a politically forget about the legal wrangling.

00:03:11.160 This may be a politically unwise choice for Democrats to go all in for the return of this

00:03:18.880 alleged MS-13 gang member.

00:03:21.680 I said six months ago when Trump won that I thought the resistance to a large extent on

00:03:27.920 a deportation front would come when Democrats found an individual that they believed was

00:03:34.760 unjustly deported and tried to use that anecdote as a way to attack the entire country. 0.65

00:03:41.160 entire deportation concept in general.

00:03:44.300 And they did.

00:03:45.840 And they picked this Kilmar Garcia guy and said, oh, my goodness, this is a Maryland dad.

00:03:53.760 There's no basis whatsoever to have deported him.

00:03:57.580 He's not a gang member.

00:03:59.120 He hasn't done anything wrong.

00:04:01.180 He's a loving dad.

00:04:03.160 And evidence keeps coming out that this is totally wrong and embarrassing.

00:04:09.480 And after we went off the air yesterday, the police reports, which I think we hinted were

00:04:14.800 coming of him for being an alleged wife beater were released and they're bad.

00:04:22.040 They're bad.

00:04:23.040 Look, domestic violence is always difficult for the courts to reconcile because many times

00:04:31.540 women end up staying with the man that they accuse of domestic abuse. 0.78

00:04:36.700 But the detail, the evidence, it's pretty awful. 0.89

00:04:41.120 And it suggests that this guy is a wife beater.

00:04:45.620 On top of that, there also was a subsequent report from the Tennessee Star that this illegal

00:04:53.340 immigrant gang member was pulled over in the state of Tennessee with seven different individuals

00:05:01.280 in his car that the state of Tennessee police believed was human trafficking and that they

00:05:09.420 then made a call to the FBI in the Biden regime and the Biden regime FBI said, let him go.

00:05:19.700 So just factually now, Buck, and a lot of this has been released.

00:05:24.980 You can go look it up for yourself if somebody on your Facebook page is talking about this

00:05:30.080 being a loving Maryland father.

00:05:32.120 This guy was arrested with gang members in gang paraphernalia in cash and adjudicated

00:05:39.920 MS-13 gang member per evidence from authorities is in the state of Maryland.

00:05:48.160 A documented wife beater in the state of Tennessee, according to the report from the Tennessee Star

00:05:55.460 was pulled over and suspected of human trafficking and let go by the Biden FBI and he is illegally

00:06:04.500 in the country.

00:06:06.340 All of this is undisputed, factually accurate information.

00:06:10.740 And the Democrats decided that this is the hill that they will fight on.

00:06:18.140 This is where they need to draw the line on who needs to be let back in the country such 1.00

00:06:23.800 that one of the 47 Democrat senators traveled to the state of Maryland, sorry, from the state

00:06:30.080 of Maryland to El Salvador to try and argue that that individual needed to be let back into

00:06:35.340 the country.

00:06:35.960 I think this buck has blown up in their faces.

00:06:38.520 I would expect that you will see an attempt to kind of run from this guy and pretend that

00:06:46.980 all of this has not happened because for all of it to come out, I can't think of a less

00:06:54.700 positive face for the deportation is wrong movement than the guy basically that they have

00:07:03.640 picked.

00:07:03.960 And I thought the Trump administration yesterday with the mom of the Maryland resident, sadly,

00:07:11.420 who was beaten to death by an illegal immigrant.

00:07:14.760 I watched yesterday.

00:07:16.440 She was the special guest for Caroline Leavitt in the White House press briefing room.

00:07:21.340 The mom's story was hard to hear, I think, for anyone out there.

00:07:25.940 But she wanted to share what happened to her daughter.

00:07:28.420 And there were no questions afterwards.

00:07:30.520 And they walked out.

00:07:31.840 And I think the Maryland sort of juxtaposition between an American citizen being brutally beaten,

00:07:37.980 raped to death and what's going on with Maryland's senator is just awful optics.

00:07:43.640 Here is here is this mother that Clay was just talking about speaking yesterday in the White

00:07:47.920 House.

00:07:48.160 Cut to to have a senator from Maryland who didn't even acknowledge or barely acknowledged my daughter

00:07:57.020 and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother and now a grandbaby

00:08:07.160 without a grandmother, so that he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring back someone

00:08:17.480 that's not even an American citizen.

00:08:20.620 Why does that person have more right than I do or my daughter or my grandchildren?

00:08:29.540 I don't I don't understand this.

00:08:32.700 Clay, somehow the rule of law means that illegals have all of these layers upon layers of processes

00:08:41.940 to prevent them from being deported.

00:08:44.780 But there aren't all these layers and layers to prevent them from coming into the country.

00:08:50.460 Those laws don't get focused on, don't get talked about by Democrats.

00:08:55.540 And also, and I know that this is something that Democrats would find very contentious,

00:09:00.420 but I don't care.

00:09:01.100 I think it's true.

00:09:02.380 Of course, if you let 10 million people into the country with no vetting who are illegals, 0.78

00:09:06.820 you're going to let murderers, rapists, gang members in.

00:09:10.800 It was an active choice for them to do this.

00:09:13.840 Biden and his cronies and his handlers and the Democrat leadership and the machinery around it

00:09:20.300 decided to let in these people that there's no question about this because now it's down 95 percent.

00:09:25.680 OK, and it didn't take long.

00:09:27.060 So that means it was a choice.

00:09:28.700 So they decided to let people in.

00:09:31.460 And that decision led to dangerous illegals. 0.99

00:09:35.740 I know it's a small percentage of the overall illegals who came into the country.

00:09:39.560 It doesn't matter.

00:09:40.760 None of them are supposed to be here under the law.

00:09:43.760 Dangerous illegals, which resulted in things like Laken Riley's rape and murder, 0.98

00:09:49.320 which resulted in things like Patty Morin's daughter being killed.

00:09:53.060 And the government now gets all of the Democrats, I should say,

00:09:56.040 get all haughty about the due process rights of non-Americans. 0.80

00:09:59.520 I mean, I think people have just realized, no, we're not doing this thing anymore.

00:10:04.260 We don't do this thing where there are all these special rights for illegals,

00:10:07.360 but Americans are told too hard to enforce the law.

00:10:10.620 We're a nation of immigrants.

00:10:11.820 So all these illegals have special privileges. 0.99

00:10:14.660 I mean, a question for anybody out there listening right now is there.

00:10:18.360 We have millions of people listening.

00:10:19.780 Is there a single person who thinks this guy should be brought back into the country?

00:10:24.340 You can call us.

00:10:25.420 I mean, I would love to hear the argument for why a wife-beating gang member

00:10:31.460 that the state of Tennessee believed was engaged in illegal human trafficking

00:10:35.800 when he was pulled over a couple of years ago, illegally in this country,

00:10:40.040 why should he be brought back in the country?

00:10:43.240 Why should he have been here in the first place?

00:10:45.480 An open forum.

00:10:47.000 He'll say, oh, you know, you don't hear both sides of an argument.

00:10:50.300 Sometimes you get that.

00:10:50.920 Okay.

00:10:51.120 Why should this guy be brought back into the country?

00:10:54.840 Is there a single person out there listening to us,

00:10:57.580 biggest radio show in the country that's on air right now,

00:11:00.300 is there a single one of you that believes that this guy should be brought back?

00:11:04.740 Buck, I think this is a 90-10 issue.

00:11:07.300 I think there are 10% of Democrats, let's say,

00:11:10.520 who legitimately believe there should be no borders basically anywhere in the world

00:11:15.760 that would say, oh, this guy should be brought back.

00:11:19.600 I think it's a 90-10 issue right now.

00:11:22.520 Even in Maryland, which is a very blue state,

00:11:25.500 you know who hasn't really spoken up very much about this?

00:11:28.500 Wes Moore, the governor.

00:11:30.120 I think he sees this politically and he says, wait a minute,

00:11:34.180 why would I put my legitimacy as the governor of the citizens of Maryland

00:11:39.340 on the line over a wife-beating gang member from El Salvador

00:11:45.240 who is illegally here and may well have been involved in human trafficking

00:11:51.520 based on getting pulled over per a Tennessee police report?

00:11:56.120 Why should that guy be here?

00:11:58.240 I mean, I think again, yeah.

00:12:01.440 I mean, I don't even know what the argument is.

00:12:03.040 I also would say, why are Democrats clearly more mobilized and outraged

00:12:09.820 over this situation than over anything that has happened to an American

00:12:16.160 at the hands of an illegal alien criminal over the last four years?

00:12:20.240 Nothing even comes close.

00:12:22.100 So it's not like we're just picking two random things

00:12:25.600 and, oh, well, it's a busy world and there's a lot of things they can focus on.

00:12:29.420 There is not a single instance of Democrats deciding that they are going to mobilize

00:12:35.100 and make a national issue of anyone who has been raped, murdered, carjacked, assaulted by,

00:12:44.200 I don't just mean an illegal in this generic sense of, well, there's a lot of illegals.

00:12:48.700 Clay, illegals who have already had deportation orders, who have already been arrested,

00:12:52.720 who have had sanctuary cities decide they weren't going to share information with the feds,

00:12:57.040 who have, the Democrats have been complicit in all of this.

00:13:01.680 Yeah.

00:13:02.280 They are openly complicit in this violation of sovereignty, this violation of law,

00:13:08.860 and now they want to lecture us on the law?

00:13:11.400 Man, the only things I want to say to them I can't say on the radio without getting a fine.

00:13:15.220 Honestly, that's how I feel.

00:13:17.060 I will just point out something that I said yesterday.

00:13:19.620 Who you choose to be the avatar of your policy matters a great deal.

00:13:23.760 And they have chosen poorly, in the words of the last crusade, Indiana Jones, right?

00:13:31.400 They have chosen a very poor individual to be the stand-in for why Trump's deportation orders

00:13:38.340 are cruel and unnecessary and unfair and potentially illegal.

00:13:43.600 The United States public overwhelmingly says a wife-beating illegal immigrant,

00:13:49.940 human trafficker potentially, who is not supposed to be here, gang member of MS-13.

00:13:58.940 This guy needs to go.

00:14:01.200 I think they chose really poorly.

00:14:03.340 I just really do.

00:14:04.520 I agree with you.

00:14:05.680 I thought the Democrats would at least play along a bit with the,

00:14:09.380 we're going to deport the illegal criminal MS-13 types, but what about the Dreamers? 1.00

00:14:14.680 I thought that was the pivot.

00:14:15.900 You know, what about the hardworking so-and-so and so-and-so who are, no, they're actually,

00:14:21.880 this is the hill they want to fight on.

00:14:23.560 And that is the critical point, Clay.

00:14:25.520 They don't want to deport anyone.

00:14:29.580 The Democrat Party's actual emotional position on this is they all should stay.

00:14:36.940 And I don't just mean the ones who we all know people that work hard,

00:14:40.460 who are in the country illegally, and, you know, that it gets to be a more interesting conversation.

00:14:44.520 I still think if you're illegal, you should have to go home to your home country.

00:14:47.000 But they think that the gang members also should stay.

00:14:51.160 This is like, they're in the fabric of America now.

00:14:53.780 It's insane.

00:14:54.760 It's insane.

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00:17:23.660 The newest focus, MS-13 gang member deported.

00:17:28.400 We'll take a couple of your calls, 800-282-2882, if anybody out there wants to defend it.

00:17:34.020 But I did think this was interesting.

00:17:36.080 I said I think this is a 90-10 issue.

00:17:38.800 And I think this is going to blow up in the Maryland senator's face.

00:17:42.540 And Harry Enten over at CNN said, I don't know if you've seen this yet, Buck.

00:17:47.960 Most Americans support deporting all illegal immigrants now.

00:17:52.440 This is a profound shift from when Trump first entered office.

00:17:55.600 And certainly, I think it's a function of wherever you live,

00:17:59.620 the 10 million-plus illegal immigrants who entered during Biden's term in office

00:18:04.520 have changed the overall perspective on Americans when it comes on how to deal with illegal immigrants.

00:18:11.480 Play cut one from CNN this morning.

00:18:14.600 Deport all undocumented immigrants. 1.00

00:18:17.260 Voters favoring the government trying to deport all 11 million of them.

00:18:21.440 Back in 2016, just 38% of voters wanted the government to try to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants.

00:18:29.600 Compared to where we are in 2025, 56% the majority.

00:18:34.840 The American people have come a long way on this issue, much closer to Donald Trump.

00:18:39.060 And I think that's a big part of the reason why Americans are increasingly saying the country is on the right track

00:18:43.800 when it comes to immigration policy and why Donald Trump's net approval rating on that issue is in the positive.

00:18:49.620 Okay, 56% want all illegal immigrants sent back to their countries.

00:18:56.620 What do you think the percentage is, Buck?

00:18:58.540 Do you sign off on my 90-10 if you ask people, 0.97

00:19:02.700 hey, illegal immigrant from El Salvador, gang member of MS-13, wife beater, 1.00

00:19:09.660 potential human trafficker having been pulled over,

00:19:13.400 if it's 56% for everybody, it's got to be 90-10, I think, for this guy in particular,

00:19:19.940 which circles back around on Trump has won this issue for everyone,

00:19:23.620 but in particular for this guy to become the avatar of Democrat resistance policy

00:19:29.960 when it comes to illegal immigrants is, I think, an all-time miscalculation.

00:19:34.580 Well, we know the Democrats are capable of the most epic political miscalculations

00:19:40.540 because we've seen some of them recently, right?

00:19:42.620 They're bringing the charges against Trump.

00:19:45.660 I think that was the ultimate political boomerang.

00:19:49.580 They let that thing rip, and it has come back and whacked them right in the face.

00:19:54.480 Now with Trump presidency 2.0, I think that running Biden to the point that they did,

00:20:00.360 Buck Island, may you forever stay strong.

00:20:02.640 Those of us who thought they would push through, it's all right.

00:20:07.280 We're still recovering.

00:20:09.360 We're still doing some wreckage dives.

00:20:10.960 How much longer do you think Biden needed to last in order for Buck Island to remain extant?

00:20:15.460 Or do you think, in retrospect now, that they really would have gone nuclear,

00:20:19.820 that the Chuck Schumers and the Nancy Pelosi's would have gone directly public to force him out?

00:20:25.660 No, I honestly, all kidding aside,

00:20:28.260 I believe that if a couple of things had gone a little bit differently

00:20:32.360 and they had decided to put Biden forward and have him do a few live events,

00:20:37.640 that they, I think it was razor, I mean, obviously, I thought he was going to be,

00:20:41.700 I think it was razor's edge that they pushed him out.

00:20:44.960 And can I just be clear? 0.99

00:20:45.940 It was moronic to push him out. 0.98

00:20:47.660 They got smoked, right? 0.98

00:20:49.000 Like, I understand the polls showed that he had had a really bad,

00:20:53.020 you know, really bad moment there, but I think he could have gained ground.

00:20:55.900 Kamala never had a path.

00:20:56.940 There was never a pathway for Kamala, right?

00:21:00.100 And I think that we obviously saw that in the election.

00:21:02.880 So I gave the Democrats credit for being savvier than they actually were in that instance,

00:21:09.120 which brings me to this one, Clay.

00:21:11.980 There's not, who's really on the calls?

00:21:16.260 Who's really, you know, making the decisions from the top of the,

00:21:21.420 and I mean that across the board, Democrat Party, CNN, MSNBC, Industrial Complex, New York Times.

00:21:29.100 Who has the most power right now in the Democrat Party to set the agenda for Trump resistance?

00:21:35.560 I mean, I think it's AOC, which we're going to talk more about.

00:21:41.020 I mean, I think that they're trying to build her up.

00:21:42.300 I think it might be Rachel Maddow, because I think she's the only person that has a substantial audience in the party. 0.97

00:21:48.340 I think people want to be liked by her.

00:21:51.260 And she's not a boss. 1.00

00:21:52.260 She's not a bomb.

00:21:53.180 Have you ever seen her really tangling with people in public? 0.86

00:21:55.820 All she does is the kind of standard anti-Trumpism on her show. 1.00

00:22:00.580 Like, she's not calling anybody out.

00:22:02.980 She's not herding cats, so to speak, within the Democrat Party, right?

00:22:06.140 So I'm just saying, who is the enforcer?

00:22:09.180 Who is the brain?

00:22:11.200 Who is the leadership?

00:22:12.320 I don't think they have one at all.

00:22:15.580 That's why I think the nominee is going to be in 2028, someone who's not even in politics right now.

00:22:20.540 And this is where, though, Clay, to the point about Abrego Garcia, them making another political blunder here,

00:22:28.360 why would that be surprising?

00:22:30.220 Who's in charge right now?

00:22:31.720 They're just chasing.

00:22:33.040 They're like the kids, young kids.

00:22:35.160 You know, I coach soccer.

00:22:36.180 Clay and I both played soccer back in the day.

00:22:38.640 When you have young kids playing soccer, they all just crowd the ball, and nobody knows what's going on,

00:22:42.740 and they're all just sort of kicking the ball at each other.

00:22:44.540 You know, it's like a little mob.

00:22:46.920 It's a scrum.

00:22:47.500 That's the Democrats.

00:22:48.200 That's true.

00:22:48.680 Yeah.

00:22:49.040 They're just all kicking the ball.

00:22:51.340 They don't know where it's going.

00:22:52.240 They're just like, it's Trump. 0.97

00:22:53.500 Kick it. 0.95

00:22:54.760 I do think that if you look at what, let's leave aside the judiciary, because they have clearly emerged as Trump 2.0.

00:23:02.940 This is what I was kind of talking about.

00:23:04.680 They sort of haphazardly and almost drunkenly stumble from one talking point to another.

00:23:10.860 It wasn't very long ago that everybody suddenly was saying, oh, you can't afford eggs now.

00:23:16.020 Well, wholesale egg prices have collapsed.

00:23:18.260 They're actually lower than when Biden was in office.

00:23:20.440 That story's gone.

00:23:21.580 And then what was everybody focused on?

00:23:23.680 The stock market.

00:23:24.760 Oh, my goodness.

00:23:25.620 The tariff battles.

00:23:26.780 The stock market.

00:23:27.720 It's unsustained.

00:23:28.560 Stock market, same price it was roughly in September right now.

00:23:32.220 That story, given that we have not seen as much vacillation in stock prices, that story has vanished.

00:23:38.820 Then it's, oh, my goodness.

00:23:40.260 You took a Maryland dad.

00:23:42.240 You took a Maryland man. 0.99

00:23:44.320 And, oh, oh, but actually he's a white beater and a human trafficker and a gang member and a bad dude. 0.93

00:23:51.220 And so all of these things have kind of collapsed. 0.97

00:23:54.300 Yeah, he's an El Salvador. 0.94

00:23:56.120 Yeah, that's true, too.

00:23:56.980 But this is critical.

00:23:58.680 This is critical.

00:23:59.420 He's not a Maryland man.

00:24:00.660 And they do this with, this has been the case with the media for a long time.

00:24:04.780 It's always, whenever an illegal does something horrible, it's, you know, Minnesota man, Maryland man, Kansas man.

00:24:11.680 No, that is absolute nonsense.

00:24:14.620 It's a lie. 0.92

00:24:15.520 It's very dishonest.

00:24:16.960 I mean, am I Baghdad man?

00:24:18.360 I was in Baghdad for a while.

00:24:20.260 Am I Baghdad man?

00:24:21.720 This is crazy.

00:24:23.060 No, that's a good point.

00:24:23.800 You are the person, it's either where, you know, it's either where you live and are from or your nationality.

00:24:30.240 It doesn't get to be where you are at some period of time, right?

00:24:34.440 If I crossed over state lines and got in trouble in Texas, nobody would say like, Texas man does it.

00:24:40.300 No, I live in Florida.

00:24:41.700 Yeah.

00:24:41.940 I mean, they can't just make this up as they go along.

00:24:44.300 This is their failure to make him an avatar.

00:24:46.340 We got a couple of callers, by the way, who want to weigh in.

00:24:48.940 Paul in Kentucky, what do you think?

00:24:52.100 Okay.

00:24:52.460 I totally agree I'm part of this to be trusted.

00:24:56.440 Paul's cell phone doesn't work.

00:24:58.100 Nope, bad connection, fail.

00:24:59.280 All right, Shannon in South Dakota, what you got?

00:25:04.120 Yeah, so the issue is, is good guy, bad guy, he was convicted of no crimes.

00:25:11.420 He was charged with no crimes.

00:25:14.080 Well, he's illegally here, though.

00:25:17.040 Sure, sure.

00:25:18.640 So do you think he could be deported?

00:25:20.140 There was a protective order.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, absolutely going to be deported.

00:25:22.820 I think one of the issues is, is that we deported him to a prison.

00:25:26.500 We do not ship people to other countries.

00:25:28.780 We didn't deport him to a prison.

00:25:30.620 Hold on.

00:25:31.080 We sent him to El Salvador, and El Salvador decided that he should be in prison there.

00:25:35.980 Sure, and the reason that they didn't want to send him back there was fear of, you know, reprisal from other gang members or something like that.

00:25:44.240 But they knew he was going to a prison.

00:25:46.460 We shipped this man there.

00:25:47.160 We don't control, we don't control what anybody does when we send him back to their country. 0.99

00:25:52.220 So you think he should still be here?

00:25:54.280 In control.

00:25:55.020 No, I think that we could have deported him.

00:25:57.160 That's fine.

00:25:57.780 Give him his due process.

00:25:58.940 The Supreme Court, I read it.

00:26:00.620 But they violated his due process and illegally shipped him to a country where he was immediately put into prison.

00:26:07.740 And we don't put people in prison for accusations.

00:26:11.020 We didn't put him in prison.

00:26:12.900 Pete Hegseth is not in prison for his accused rape.

00:26:16.560 Trump is not in prison.

00:26:18.280 Well, Pete Hegseth is a citizen of the United States, and actually he was investigated by the state of California, and they determined that didn't happen.

00:26:28.260 No, they didn't determine it didn't happen.

00:26:29.660 They determined that they didn't have enough.

00:26:31.260 It was a he said, she said, just for clarification.

00:26:34.320 Well, hold on.

00:26:35.820 Hold on.

00:26:36.580 When you investigate someone to see if they committed a crime, and you choose not to bring charges in that crime,

00:26:45.660 that's pretty strong evidence that you didn't commit a crime, right?

00:26:50.000 Because if you think that they might have committed a crime, and you are bringing charges,

00:26:55.560 then you would take it to the jury to determine whether or not they committed a crime.

00:27:00.560 The standard of is, would a jury be able to convict them based on the evidence that is provided?

00:27:08.420 It is not a determination of guilt or not guilty.

00:27:11.400 So you are of the opinion, if I said right now,

00:27:15.100 hey, we've got to investigate whatever your name is in South Dakota, I think he's committed a crime.

00:27:21.740 And if in South Dakota they investigated it and chose not to bring charges against you,

00:27:27.000 you think the standard would be, well, they didn't determine I didn't commit a crime.

00:27:31.080 They determined there wasn't enough evidence to convict me of a crime.

00:27:35.180 That's how you'd want to be identified as a caller on the program?

00:27:39.220 That is a standard.

00:27:41.680 Whether or not I want to be accused of a crime, anybody who's been accused of a crime

00:27:45.140 is already underneath scrutiny at that point in time.

00:27:47.760 But again, especially if, again, the investigators look into it.

00:27:50.900 All right, so what's your position here?

00:27:52.080 Do you want him sent back?

00:27:53.260 What is your actual advocacy that you've called in to advocate for here?

00:27:58.180 Sure.

00:27:59.000 I would like to get him out of prison.

00:28:00.500 Get him to a place where he's not going to be put in prison unless we convict him of a crime.

00:28:03.640 If they want to charge him for a crime here, fine, go ahead, which they have not done.

00:28:08.180 Okay, but he's not in prison in the United States.

00:28:10.640 Thanks for the call.

00:28:11.660 We're just kind of going around in circles here.

00:28:14.320 Look, he is not put in prison here.

00:28:18.080 He is illegally here. 0.99

00:28:19.740 He has been investigated for wife beating based on his own wife's position.

00:28:24.220 He was investigated for human trafficking in Tennessee, and the Biden-FBI said, hey, let him go.

00:28:31.020 We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not supposed to be here.

00:28:35.560 He was arrested with other MS-13 gang members with many different aspects of gang affiliation directly connected to him.

00:28:46.000 And he was sent to El Salvador.

00:28:47.960 El Salvador, which is now one of the safest countries in the world, thanks to what Bukele has done there,

00:28:55.020 made the determination that he should be in prison because they believe that he is a gang member.

00:28:59.600 Well, I also think that it's not – you can't expect the American people – to me, this even goes to more just common sense

00:29:11.740 and, like, fundamental belief about where the country is and what's happening here.

00:29:17.240 You cannot expect us all to say, you know what?

00:29:19.920 All the laws about keeping illegals out and finding and deporting illegals, those aren't really laws.

00:29:28.280 Like, that's – sorry, there's too much going on, too much complexity.

00:29:32.320 But if you do anything to an illegal that does not give him his five different versions of a day in court,

00:29:40.540 that does not take into account that any judge at any time can keep – the law cannot be anyone can come here and no one gets kicked out.

00:29:49.920 That's – there's just a rejection of that.

00:29:53.300 I reject that premise, okay?

00:29:55.340 And that seems to be where the Democrats are on this.

00:29:58.780 I also think that somebody out there thinking, hey, I'm here illegally, if I get stopped, I might end up in a prison back in my home country,

00:30:11.840 maybe I should leave, is not a bad message to be sending, right?

00:30:17.180 I mean, honestly, like, this guy is, I think, quite clearly, based on all the evidence, a bad dude who should not be here.

00:30:25.660 And the fact that they would make him the avatar and that the best defense that we got is some guy from South Dakota says,

00:30:32.040 oh, I don't think he should be in prison in El Salvador.

00:30:34.900 Well, shouldn't his home country be able to determine whether they believe that he is a threat or not

00:30:41.340 and apply the laws of their home country as it pertains to their citizen?

00:30:46.320 And, again, if this guy had come here and he had been a sterling man of character and all of those things,

00:30:54.460 he would still be here illegally and he would still be subject to deportation, but he was not.

00:30:59.840 He is a gang member based on all the evidence.

00:31:01.840 You can go read it.

00:31:02.840 He is potentially engaged in human trafficking based on a Tennessee police report.

00:31:06.780 He is clearly, based on his own wife, someone who has beaten her and she has needed to seek the protection of the state.

00:31:14.040 Like, I'm not losing or weeping at all for this guy.

00:31:17.620 Well, but that's exactly the point.

00:31:19.420 And that's where I was going to go now is just I don't care.

00:31:22.080 This guy's problem.

00:31:22.840 Not my problem.

00:31:23.700 He's gone.

00:31:24.280 He's not an American. 0.99

00:31:25.420 Sorry.

00:31:26.580 You know, they can whine.

00:31:27.940 And they're trying to make us care about this.

00:31:30.900 And I think that increasingly they are finding they're unable to do so.

00:31:35.940 I don't care.

00:31:37.200 It's not my problem.

00:31:38.600 He wasn't supposed to be here.

00:31:40.020 He's not a good guy.

00:31:41.400 End of story.

00:31:42.380 I'm sick of this country being exploited by people who think that the only laws that are the laws are the ones that are in their interest,

00:31:51.420 the illegals interest and not the interest of the American people.

00:31:55.080 So I take a step back.

00:31:57.100 It's more of a philosophical thing for me is what I'm saying.

00:31:59.080 I'm just we've had enough.

00:32:00.580 OK, we had 10 million come in under Biden.

00:32:02.300 This is madness.

00:32:03.400 We're getting rid of the worst, the worst right now.

00:32:05.380 And I'm sorry if it's not perfect.

00:32:07.560 You know, sometimes you've got to drop a bomb on the building and get the bad guy and bad things happen.

00:32:12.640 Let me also say this because he tried to pivot and attack Pete Hegseth on this.

00:32:17.300 I think this is actually really significant.

00:32:19.060 And I know this has been something that matters to you, too.

00:32:21.680 He tried to say, well, they investigated it and they chose not to bring charges.

00:32:26.600 But that doesn't mean that he didn't commit a rape.

00:32:30.800 That argument, it needs to vanish, right?

00:32:34.660 Because if you have a woman who can anonymously accuse a man of inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature, 0.88

00:32:42.580 the authorities actually investigate it.

00:32:46.360 They choose not to bring charges.

00:32:49.640 You can't then say, well, he may have raped her, but they just chose not to bring charges.

00:32:54.220 No, if you get investigated and they don't bring charges, I'm sorry.

00:32:57.920 Anonymous, your name gets dragged through the mud and everything else.

00:33:00.520 I think we need to make it the standard that we say this didn't happen.

00:33:04.200 Not, well, they decided they couldn't convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:33:08.920 So that doesn't mean he didn't rape her.

00:33:11.320 That is just, I'm sorry.

00:33:13.140 That line of thought in this era, when you can levy any accusation against someone at all that you want,

00:33:21.800 and then when authorities investigate and don't bring it, you still say, well, it didn't mean he didn't do it.

00:33:26.280 But I'm over that era.

00:33:27.840 I think that is, frankly, indefensible.

00:33:30.120 I also think, yeah, as soon as the guy started, you were much more polite to him than I would have been if I was handling that.

00:33:37.180 But I would just say, because you and I agree, the Pete thing, there's no there there.

00:33:43.280 But anyway, and the cops found there's no there there.

00:33:45.320 Trust me, they weren't giving the Fox News host in California, like, the benefit of the doubt.

00:33:50.240 There was no doubt.

00:33:50.860 That's well said, too.

00:33:51.520 There's no privilege of being a Fox News host in California when you're accused of wrongdoing.

00:33:56.320 In California, investigated for, you know, sexual assault.

00:33:58.520 So, Pete, you know, I have, there's zero doubt in my mind that Pete did not actually break any laws there whatsoever.

00:34:03.740 Beyond that, though, this is where I think people just, we keep being told, oh, you know what, we got to, let's come back into this.

00:34:14.560 We'll keep the conversation going.

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00:35:22.640 Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, voices of sanity in an insane world.

00:35:27.900 We have some breaking news just to update you on this.

00:35:31.620 A suspect in custody and five reportedly killed at Florida State University down here in my home state of Florida.

00:35:39.420 We are following this.

00:35:41.340 The updates will be coming to us more throughout this hour.

00:35:45.060 So just wanted to let you know that this is the breaking news out there.

00:35:48.340 It is spreading rapidly.

00:35:49.740 People are finding out about this terrible shooting at Florida State University.

00:35:52.860 We'll have more for you on that later this hour as more details come in.

00:35:58.080 We've got the team pulling together all of the relevant information as we speak.

00:36:01.320 We now want to speak to Attorney General Ken Paxton of the state of Texas.

00:36:07.860 He joins us now from Dallas.

00:36:10.680 And Mr. Attorney General Paxton, appreciate you calling in, sir.

00:36:14.040 Hey, glad to be on.

00:36:15.200 I appreciate you having me on.

00:36:16.480 It's going to be a fun year coming up.

00:36:19.020 We know you've announced your Senate run, and so that's very exciting for you and your team that you're going to be throwing your hat in the ring for that.

00:36:29.660 I want to talk to you more about that.

00:36:31.540 In the meantime, though, I thought perhaps you could just give us your perspective.

00:36:35.300 If a state attorney general is involved in multiple mortgage frauds, if that is found to be true, shouldn't that state attorney general...

00:36:45.440 I'm sure you're familiar with what's going on in New York and Attorney General Letitia James and the allegations that are out there right now.

00:36:52.940 Aren't you, Attorney General Paxton, held to a higher standard as a chief law enforcement officer in your state?

00:36:59.380 And shouldn't that be the case in New York as well?

00:37:01.780 Well, certainly, not necessarily a higher standard, but she ought to be held to the standard that everybody else is,

00:37:07.980 which is if she's violating the law, she should be held accountable for that.

00:37:12.360 And if she's committed a crime, she should be prosecuted for that.

00:37:16.340 And obviously that would affect her ability to continue as Attorney General of New York. 0.55

00:37:22.540 A lot of discussion.

00:37:23.780 Well, first of all, let's allow you to tell our audience, who may not have heard otherwise,

00:37:27.900 you have had a lot of success in Texas electoral politics already.

00:37:32.720 You've won a lot of battles.

00:37:34.000 You've fought a lot of battles.

00:37:35.160 People have come in after you aggressively.

00:37:37.300 And you are going to be running now for the Senate from Texas.

00:37:41.900 That is next year, but the process is underway.

00:37:45.100 When's the primary?

00:37:46.240 What do you expect it to look like?

00:37:48.100 And for people out there that may not have been familiar with you in the past,

00:37:52.040 why are you the right choice?

00:37:53.200 So the primary is the first Tuesday of March,

00:37:56.760 so we're, you know, approximately 10 and a half months away from the primary.

00:38:00.960 And obviously John Corner is our current senator, been there for 23 years, going on 24.

00:38:05.880 He'd like to stay 30.

00:38:08.180 For one, I think that's too long.

00:38:11.660 And for two, I don't feel like he's done a good job representing our people.

00:38:17.680 I don't think he's done a good job, and I think it's time for a change.

00:38:21.680 So that's why I'm running.

00:38:22.760 There's a lot of issues that I'm frustrated, and I think our voters are frustrated with.

00:38:29.120 And it takes a lot of effort to win a statewide race in Texas.

00:38:32.700 You need name ID.

00:38:33.720 You need money.

00:38:34.700 And there just aren't that many people that have the name ID or the ability to raise funds

00:38:38.980 that can go against the sitting incumbent, especially in the state of Texas, which is...

00:38:44.760 We may have just lost him there for a sec.

00:38:49.840 If we want to make sure, you get his cell phone.

00:38:51.340 He's in Dallas right now.

00:38:52.540 He's begun the campaign, and he was just laying out, Buck, what is going to be probably...

00:38:58.080 I think it's fair to say the biggest Republican primary battle in 2026 anywhere in the country.

00:39:04.940 John Cornyn, who has been in office for some time, current sitting Texas senator, and Ken Paxton, who is the attorney general right now of Texas, very well known, but I wanted you guys to hear from him exactly the choice that he was making, is going to be a big, expensive, huge battle.

00:39:22.420 He just laid it out March of next year.

00:39:24.720 So let me ask you just, Attorney General Paxton, because this is going to be a primary.

00:39:28.540 A lot of people spend time thinking about and involved in.

00:39:32.020 It'll be a lot of dollars.

00:39:33.840 And for anyone who's listening, I just want to be clear.

00:39:35.440 We will, because we don't endorse in primaries.

00:39:38.240 We will have an invite out to Senator Cornyn as well, so he can make his case.

00:39:43.320 But Attorney General Paxton, where have you broken with Cornyn on a major issue?

00:39:50.580 I mean, you said that you don't agree with some of the positions he's taken and some of what he's done to represent the state of Texas.

00:39:56.460 Can you give us some examples so we can just start to understand what the differences are between the two of you?

00:40:02.140 Sure.

00:40:02.640 I'll give you a couple of examples.

00:40:03.780 First was his push for the gun restrictions that he was able to pass with the encouragement of Joe Biden.

00:40:11.360 And he was able to do that, restricting gun ownership rights.

00:40:15.220 Very unpopular position in Texas, particularly in the primary, as you might imagine.

00:40:19.660 And I remember after it was done that Donald Trump came out and called him a rhino, and President Biden congratulated him on doing a great job.

00:40:29.240 That will never happen with me.

00:40:30.500 You will never see me congratulated by a president like Joe Biden.

00:40:33.900 Another issue that he's been very bad on is the border.

00:40:37.580 He's criticized Trump's building of the wall over and over.

00:40:41.860 He's said negative things about it and not wanting to do it.

00:40:44.480 He's insinuated that he would be for amnesty.

00:40:46.880 Those are both very unpopular positions in Texas.

00:40:49.340 We're a border state.

00:40:50.520 We need all the protection we can get, not less.

00:40:53.580 And then, of course, he's not been a fan of President Trump.

00:40:56.500 In 2016, he called President Trump an albatross around our neck.

00:41:00.480 And in 2024, he said he was not endorsing President Trump, that we should move on.

00:41:05.760 And he also insinuated that President Trump had committed crimes and potentially should be held accountable for those crimes.

00:41:11.900 So those are three of the issues that I think are important to our voters.

00:41:18.040 And I think those very much distinguish me from him.

00:41:24.280 So let's dive into this in particular.

00:41:26.840 You just mentioned President Trump.

00:41:28.260 I think he won the state of Texas by 12, 14 points.

00:41:31.860 You probably know the exact margin, but it wasn't close.

00:41:34.600 I'm assuming that if he hasn't already, that he is going to be endorsing you pretty wholeheartedly for this office.

00:41:42.860 Given that you have worked quite a lot with Trump when it comes to the border, when it comes to legal-related issues,

00:41:49.680 how effective do you think you would be working with Trump in 2027 if you're able to hold that right hand up and become the next senator from Texas?

00:41:58.560 Yeah, certainly the endorsement is up to him.

00:42:01.020 I don't presume anything, but I will say this.

00:42:03.100 I've had a great working relationship with President Trump from almost the day he got into office.

00:42:08.080 I didn't know him, but we went back and forth on many, many issues while he was in his first term.

00:42:13.620 I've kept in touch with him since then during the times he was out of office and have been a big supporter.

00:42:20.040 As a matter of fact, I was one of two elected officials that showed up at Mar-a-Lago.

00:42:23.460 The other was Troy Nels, Congressman Troy Nels.

00:42:25.280 That actually showed up when he announced, because if you'll remember, when he announced,

00:42:28.640 there was a lot of issues swirling about his legal issues.

00:42:31.520 A lot of Republicans were keeping their distance because DeSantis was on the move.

00:42:36.560 And I was there with Troy Nels because, one, I knew that President Trump would do a great job.

00:42:41.840 And, two, I'm loyal to people that I trust and I believe in.

00:42:47.740 Speaking to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton,

00:42:50.400 he is going to be running for a Senate seat against the incumbent there, John Cornyn.

00:42:56.160 And, A.G. Paxton, I wanted to lean on your legal expertise, if I could, for a second.

00:43:01.980 How do you assess this back and forth, right?

00:43:07.660 The media is completely drilled into now this Mr. Abrego Garcia, who is being currently held in El Salvador.

00:43:15.720 I wanted to just hear what you think about all of the objections that are coming from some people

00:43:23.340 about the process, the judge that's involved, what you think should happen.

00:43:28.940 You handle these kinds of decisions as an attorney general for our second biggest state.

00:43:34.620 What do you think about what's going on here?

00:43:37.320 Well, I think this judge has crossed the line.

00:43:39.020 This is the executive branch.

00:43:40.900 This judge has crossed the – we're all about separation of powers.

00:43:45.660 The judiciary is supposed to be the weakest branch.

00:43:48.240 And they are supposed to stay out of the legislative side,

00:43:50.840 and they're supposed to stay out of the executive side.

00:43:52.720 This judge has clearly stepped into the shoes of the executive role

00:43:57.660 and taken control of the situation.

00:43:59.860 I think that's wrong, and I think that needs to stop.

00:44:02.780 I think Congress needs to act and stop these nationwide injunctions that aren't based in any fact or law.

00:44:11.680 We certainly – I think there are narrow cases that we used against Joe Biden when it was a nationwide issue.

00:44:17.200 But this one is clearly in the purview of the executive, and this judge just needs to be stopped.

00:44:23.680 How has life in Texas changed since Joe Biden left office, Trump came in, in particular when it comes to the border?

00:44:31.980 We talk about it on the program because basically the border has ceased to be an issue at all.

00:44:37.800 It is now secure.

00:44:39.180 What does that look like?

00:44:40.400 What does it feel like in Texas?

00:44:42.360 I mean, I think people are excited.

00:44:44.160 They feel safer.

00:44:46.120 The costliness of it has gone down.

00:44:48.520 Obviously, for us, it meant a lot of expense from law enforcement, health insurance, all kinds of different issues, education.

00:44:57.000 We're – that's our cost, and the federal government never stepped in, even though they were inviting these people in and working with the cartels to get them across the border.

00:45:04.640 They were not helping us financially.

00:45:06.860 And so it's a huge relief to us, and obviously our legislature spent billions of dollars trying to protect the border in lieu of the Biden administration doing just the opposite.

00:45:16.420 So it has a tremendous financial impact, but it's also – I think people just feel safer knowing that we have a president that's protecting our border.

00:45:24.280 We're number one in Austin off and on.

00:45:26.920 We're number one in San Antonio off and on.

00:45:29.400 We are number one in Houston off and on.

00:45:31.100 I say off and on because on a weekly, monthly basis things can evolve, but we have monster audience across the entire state of Texas, and we appreciate all of you listening right now.

00:45:41.000 We're also newly on in Dallas, which is where I think you are right now.

00:45:45.660 When you look at this March primary that is coming up next year, I know the answer is everywhere in terms of where will this race be decided, but in particular, what areas, what does turnout look like?

00:45:59.160 A lot of times people don't show up necessarily in big numbers for primaries.

00:46:03.500 What does it take for you to beat an incumbent senator who certainly is going to have a lot of money as well?

00:46:08.560 Well, I mean, we've already done three polls with three different pollsters.

00:46:12.680 I did one with Trump's pollster.

00:46:14.200 That had me up by 25.

00:46:15.580 I did one with Ted Cruz's pollster.

00:46:17.160 That has me up by 25.

00:46:18.580 And we did a third one just to make sure.

00:46:20.400 It was 27.

00:46:21.640 Wow.

00:46:22.380 I mean, a lot of it's already baked in.

00:46:24.140 They know John Corn.

00:46:25.060 He's been in office for over 40 years.

00:46:27.260 They know me.

00:46:27.960 I've been in the attorney general's office for 11 years now.

00:46:31.760 And so I think the primary voters are really educated.

00:46:35.060 I feel very strongly that we are going to do well everywhere, and it's all based on record.

00:46:41.700 And he's going to have to spend – his record is not what the voters want.

00:46:46.060 He's not going to be talking about his record.

00:46:47.900 He's not going to be talking about mine because my record is a record that the voters like.

00:46:53.500 He's going to be going negative personally.

00:46:55.780 That's his line of attack, and he's got to pray that somehow Trump does not – that he endorses him

00:47:03.240 because that would be his only way of getting into the game, and he's still going to lose.

00:47:07.740 Do you think it's possible he drops out, decides not to run?

00:47:11.580 Look, I don't presume anything.

00:47:13.060 He says he's running.

00:47:13.880 I'm playing this for – I'm going to run against John Corn.

00:47:17.120 So that would be a great question for him.

00:47:19.780 I'm sure no matter what he's thinking in his head, it's got to cross his mind if he's that far down.

00:47:26.060 He's polled it.

00:47:26.760 He knows that he's behind by double digits.

00:47:29.360 And, look, I've been to the Republican Convention.

00:47:31.160 The last time he spoke that he dared to speak to the Republican voters, that was three years ago.

00:47:35.680 He got booed for 30 straight minutes, and I'm not talking to quiet booze.

00:47:38.660 I'm talking to loudly booed for 30 minutes.

00:47:41.620 And that was all based on what he did with the restrictions on gun ownership in our state.

00:47:45.880 Attorney General Paxton, appreciate you being with us, sir.

00:47:49.760 Best of luck to you.

00:47:50.520 We'll talk to you again soon.

00:47:52.040 Hey, have a great day.

00:47:52.780 Thanks for having me on.

00:47:54.660 That's going to be a battle, Buck.

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00:49:58.880 Welcome back in to Clay and Buck.

00:50:01.040 Maybe at the end of this, we'll do.

00:50:03.900 I did want to get into our discussion about heightism in the world of dating and mating and marriage.

00:50:11.520 Yeah.

00:50:11.740 Let's do it now.

00:50:12.580 Let's do it now.

00:50:13.500 We can roll over.

00:50:14.980 Yeah.

00:50:15.160 I mean, I feel like at the end of the show, we can have some fun.

00:50:18.500 There's dark stories that are out there.

00:50:20.920 The Florida State shooting.

00:50:22.060 Things like that.

00:50:22.540 I'm sure we're going to get into that when there's more detail tomorrow.

00:50:24.960 So, but, you know, there's a wide variety of topics any given day.

00:50:30.300 And so.

00:50:30.780 All right.

00:50:31.340 Let's do it.

00:50:32.000 Let's do it.

00:50:32.400 Let's get to our.

00:50:33.120 Let's start with this.

00:50:33.920 Let's pull up producer Allie. 0.99

00:50:35.620 Allie.

00:50:35.940 Okay.

00:50:36.440 I like this.

00:50:37.600 Hot seat.

00:50:38.120 Hot seat for producer Allie.

00:50:39.520 Who's going to her first Rangers game tonight along with producer Greg and producer Mock.

00:50:44.320 They are in studio in their Rangers gear.

00:50:46.940 So the Clay and Buck team in New York is going to be at the Rangers game tonight.

00:50:50.420 Producer Allie, never been to a hockey game.

00:50:52.020 All right, Allie, you are married to Gerard, and he is fabulous, and Buck and I are both

00:50:57.860 very big fans of his.

00:50:59.660 How tall is Gerard?

00:51:01.220 Gerard is 6'4".

00:51:02.580 6'4".

00:51:03.260 And how tall are you, Allie?

00:51:05.380 I am 5'3".

00:51:06.740 All right, you are 5'3".

00:51:08.020 We have said prior, my wife is 5'2", Buck's wife is 5'3", that both of them have told us

00:51:14.900 that if we were 5'8", we would not have been their dating partner and not their married

00:51:19.480 partner.

00:51:19.800 I will say this too, by the way, Buck.

00:51:21.300 My mom is 5'4", my dad is 6'3", I bet if my dad had been 5'8", I bet I wouldn't exist.

00:51:28.920 Just tossing that out there.

00:51:30.180 I've never asked my mom if she would have dated him if he was 5'8", she may be listening,

00:51:33.760 she can let me know.

00:51:34.920 But Allie, if Gerard had been 5'8", would you have ever started dating him as a 5'3'' woman?

00:51:41.840 Oh, wow, you too.

00:51:44.160 I was also attracted to other things about Gerard.

00:51:48.000 Uh-huh.

00:51:48.600 If he was 5'8", would you have dated him?

00:51:51.520 Yes.

00:51:52.740 5'6".

00:51:53.820 Oh, my goodness.

00:51:55.860 Yes.

00:51:56.980 I like to hear you dialing it up here.

00:51:58.320 I think she's lying to us.

00:52:00.460 I think because when I brought this up as we went to break at the end of the last hour,

00:52:05.500 she was 5'4".

00:52:07.320 Oh, Clay.

00:52:08.600 Oh, I can answer.

00:52:09.320 There's no way.

00:52:09.860 There's no way.

00:52:10.660 I don't believe she would have ever dated him if he was under 6'0".

00:52:14.300 Allie, I'll give you this.

00:52:15.740 I don't, I understand, like, male-female dynamic.

00:52:18.940 I understand if women, although some women don't mind if a guy, there are women who don't 0.99

00:52:22.540 mind if a guy is shorter than them, especially if they're, like, if you're a 6'4'' woman, 1.00

00:52:26.520 now in heels, right, you're 6'3"-ish, right? 0.94

00:52:29.920 Probably 6'3".

00:52:30.880 Would you rather be a super tall woman or a short man? 1.00

00:52:35.080 Yes.

00:52:35.340 Oh, I think you had to choose.

00:52:37.080 Super tall woman. 0.98

00:52:37.900 You'd rather be a 6'5'' woman than, like, a 5'4'' man? 1.00

00:52:41.460 I mean, I'm identifying now as a 6'5".

00:52:44.000 A 6'5'' woman would be, I mean, that's like a, you're, like, bigger than a WNBA center at 1.00

00:52:49.320 that.

00:52:49.440 I think that, aren't the WNBA centers, like, 6'3"? 1.00

00:52:51.980 You're a giant woman if you're, like, 6'2 or bigger, like, right? 1.00

00:52:56.040 I mean, that's very rare height for a woman. 1.00

00:52:57.740 It's like being a 7'0 man.

00:53:00.300 So, you know, I think it's, you know, women. 1.00

00:53:02.960 Anyway, some women will date shorter than them. 1.00

00:53:04.240 I don't, I understand a woman saying, I don't want to date a guy shorter than me. 0.94

00:53:09.620 Again, what the data shows is that women, like an amusement park ride, have, in their 1.00

00:53:16.780 minds at least, and it shows that they act on this when it comes to online dating, a height

00:53:21.460 cut off.

00:53:22.600 And it's high.

00:53:23.860 Every nature show you watch shows the species and how they attract each other, and the male

00:53:29.940 birds will puff up, and the lizards will make their gills go larger, whatever.

00:53:35.860 You know what I'm saying.

00:53:37.140 But to me, that's like muscles.

00:53:39.780 That's, you know, that's maybe if you like someone's eyes.

00:53:43.040 You know, there's all these physical attributes.

00:53:44.680 But for, it seems to me that height for women, for male physical, Ali, question, I mean, this

00:53:52.180 is not fair, because Gerard has a six-pack and a 6'4".

00:53:54.720 This is going to, you know, now we're really, if Gerard, no, we'll take Gerard out of this.

00:54:00.280 If you have to pick for a guy, height, 6'4", or Gerard-level physique, what are we going

00:54:06.320 for here?

00:54:07.220 Oh, my goodness.

00:54:08.140 All right.

00:54:08.300 If we're just going purely off physical, I suppose the fit, the fitness, because I'm

00:54:14.860 Okay, so she would go with the fitness.

00:54:16.220 That makes more sense to me.

00:54:17.680 I think Ali is in a distinct minority there, because I think most women, they just, there's 1.00

00:54:23.200 this height thing, dude.

00:54:24.300 I have, Clay, I'm six feet tall.

00:54:27.020 I have come across women who have basically been like, you know, almost like they're doing 1.00

00:54:31.180 me a favor.

00:54:31.980 Like, you just, this is obviously before I met Carrie, but I was single for many, many years

00:54:35.860 in New York.

00:54:36.260 They're like, I kind of, you know, grandfathered you in.

00:54:39.420 Like, if I had known you weren't quite like 6'2", you know, I would, it is wild.

00:54:44.260 And they're very open about this, too.

00:54:45.680 Like, they don't, because it's so objective that they don't feel bad saying, it's not like

00:54:49.720 they're like, I wish you were better looking.

00:54:51.120 Like, that's just mean.

00:54:52.320 But like, you're a little on the short side for me.

00:54:54.420 They'll just say it to your face.

00:54:56.080 But you know what really sealed the deal for me is humor.

00:54:59.320 The personality and humor.

00:55:00.940 Like, funny is underrated.

00:55:02.440 Ali, but you're like an emotionally stable, spiritually wholesome, very kind person.

00:55:08.140 You know, you're, all right, you know, we need, Ali's an outlier for like, like depth

00:55:12.340 and as a human being.

00:55:13.980 I would say a lot of people who are superficial out there.

00:55:16.340 I think that's top three for most women. 1.00

00:55:18.640 I think height is one.

00:55:21.820 Money is two.

00:55:22.900 And I think more women will admit to the height thing than the money thing. 1.00

00:55:27.160 There's not a lot of rich guys with ugly women. 0.99

00:55:29.900 I'm just saying, it has not happened very often that you see a super rich guy with an 0.98

00:55:36.320 unattractive woman. 1.00

00:55:37.040 But here's, again, I understand why you want a rich guy.

00:55:42.240 I understand.

00:55:42.900 I'm not saying that it's not superficial or that, you know, we don't wish that there was

00:55:46.900 romance beyond that, but being able to provide, unless a guy is playing in the NBA or is like

00:55:54.880 a tight end in the NFL, him being 6'6 means nothing.

00:55:59.320 This is what I don't understand, but women love this. 1.00

00:56:02.100 I think it's total.

00:56:02.820 I think, I think Ali's right.

00:56:03.860 I think it's total biology.

00:56:04.880 I think historically the bigger gorilla was able to protect the female gorilla from smaller

00:56:14.320 gorillas.

00:56:14.820 And so I think biologically women are attracted to bigger men because they have the ability 0.94

00:56:21.880 to protect clay biologically.

00:56:24.640 Look at UFC, but see, this is where I get, look at you at most UFC fighters are, are almost

00:56:29.760 all of them are five, eight to six, one or six, two.

00:56:32.060 Like there's very few that are tall, certainly very arbitrary, but I think this is straight

00:56:36.800 biology.

00:56:37.300 I think it's just like caveman days.

00:56:39.820 If you were bigger, stronger and faster, you were more likely to be able to kill a animal

00:56:44.800 and provide for the, the, the female baby that you had average UFC fighter height is five 1.00

00:56:50.920 10.

00:56:51.860 Yeah.

00:56:52.040 I just, yeah.

00:56:52.980 So documentaries also point out lions, lions, the male lion, the bigger main, I track the

00:56:59.560 female with the main, I get a little more. 1.00

00:57:02.180 I'm like, I'm like a great main is something that I can get behind.

00:57:05.740 You know what I'm saying?

00:57:06.440 I think it's just, I think it's just power.

00:57:08.420 And historically the more like size you had as a man, the more power you tended to have.

00:57:15.960 Like let's say, do we still have David in Scottsdale, Arizona?

00:57:19.440 Is he a short guy calling in?

00:57:20.840 We've ruined his day.

00:57:21.740 No, he's six, three.

00:57:23.280 Okay.

00:57:23.740 David, what have you got for us?

00:57:25.440 Hi guys.

00:57:26.020 I'm six, three.

00:57:27.000 My girlfriend's five, two.

00:57:28.900 One of the first things she said is two things.

00:57:31.480 She almost didn't date me because she felt bad that she was taking a tall person. 1.00

00:57:37.400 But the big thing is her tall girlfriends do not like short girls taking the tall guy. 1.00

00:57:45.120 Oh, that's an interesting point.

00:57:46.540 I hadn't even thought about the anger that short girl with tall guy can provoke. 1.00

00:57:50.980 Because if you're five, nine chick and your girlfriend who's five, three takes the six, 1.00

00:57:56.060 two guy, I get it.

00:57:57.320 I do think there's something to your argument, Buck, in an Instagrammable age, everybody wants

00:58:02.760 the perfect photo.

00:58:04.080 And I think there's a lot of girls out there. 1.00

00:58:06.260 If they wear heels and they're wearing a fancy dress and they're going to a cocktail

00:58:10.480 party or they're going to a formal event of some sort, they don't want to post a photo

00:58:15.960 standing next to a guy who's shorter than them because they think it doesn't make the

00:58:20.160 photo look as good.

00:58:21.640 I think that is in the Instagrammable age, I think that's even more popular.

00:58:26.220 That is my thesis, that social media and online dating has created this rush of interest

00:58:32.860 in the height situation.

00:58:33.740 We got Walker in Augusta, Georgia.

00:58:37.680 Hey guys.

00:58:39.120 Hey guys.

00:58:39.680 Love the show.

00:58:40.700 And hearing you guys talk today reminded me of a story.

00:58:43.280 So I'm retired law enforcement.

00:58:45.000 I was on 22 years on SWAT and I was the team leader.

00:58:47.880 And we had a business guy that basically sponsored our team, gave us that, you know, for extra

00:58:53.520 equipment, stuff like that.

00:58:54.840 And we invited him out to the range.

00:58:56.440 He was shooting with us and we were standing around the ammo table.

00:58:59.480 We were jamming mags waiting for the next iteration to come on.

00:59:02.540 And we're all like six, two and taller.

00:59:05.180 All of us are big dudes.

00:59:06.200 And he is five, six and he's standing there and he's jamming mags and he's looking around,

00:59:10.720 looking around.

00:59:11.500 He looks at him and said, I'll tell you what, y'all are some big guys, but if I stand in

00:59:15.400 my wallet, I'm six, six like that.

00:59:17.800 And we all said, yes, sir, you're exactly right.

00:59:20.000 And to that fact, he has a hot wife.

00:59:22.740 I am not going to lie.

00:59:23.940 He is what we call in the culture, he is what we call Walker a short king.

00:59:29.980 That is what the millennials in Gen Z now, he's a short king. 0.92

00:59:33.240 That's really funny.

00:59:34.320 That's a great line.

00:59:35.820 And by the way, is there something to short guy being driven to be far more successful

00:59:42.920 than tall guy because he knows that he has to be economically successful to get the best

00:59:49.520 looking girl in a way that tall guy doesn't.

00:59:52.040 In other words, is tall guy lazy because if you're six, two or whatever, you have that

00:59:57.420 height advantage for you and five, six guys, like I'm going to do all the work.

01:00:01.640 I'm going to put in all the extra time.

01:00:03.380 Maybe I did that would actually make some sense, right?

01:00:06.680 Or there's a, here's a way to test it, Buck.

01:00:08.660 This would be actually fascinating.

01:00:10.740 How much correlation is there between super wealth?

01:00:14.500 I don't mean like, you know, you're making a good living.

01:00:16.960 I mean, like you're a hedge fund guy.

01:00:19.680 How much correlation is there between hedge fund guy?

01:00:22.640 Like you're making tens of millions of dollars a year and average height guy.

01:00:27.400 Are hedge fund guys taller or shorter on average than like finance, bro?

01:00:33.320 I want to get to, we haven't had a lady on the, on the phone lines yet. 0.99

01:00:37.120 We got so much coming in though.

01:00:38.160 It's so funny what, you know, we're sitting here, we're talking about like saving the

01:00:40.980 Republic and, and, you know, the, uh, the constitution and birthright citizenship.

01:00:45.440 We get some calls.

01:00:46.720 We talk about hiding dating.

01:00:48.320 Kaboom! 0.99

01:00:48.840 Everybody, everybody's like, wow, I gotta, I gotta tell you, Geraldine in Los Angeles.

01:00:53.540 What's going on, Geraldine?

01:00:55.700 It's funny that you mentioned that, Buck, because I have tried so many times to get on

01:00:59.220 the air with y'all and this was the time I made it through, but I do have opinions about

01:01:03.020 women dating short men.

01:01:04.580 Uh, Ali, producer Ali is absolutely correct.

01:01:06.820 It's evolutionary.

01:01:07.860 Women are attracted to providers and protectors. 0.99

01:01:10.420 And generally that means bigger, stronger, taller men who can protect us.

01:01:15.000 And men are attracted to readers, which is where the 36, 24, 36, um, bus to waist to hip

01:01:22.120 ratio comes in.

01:01:23.080 However, I think you are wrong, Buck.

01:01:25.140 Um, I think more women are as, uh, uh, evolved as producer Ali than you think, because I think

01:01:33.380 more women will compromise on, um, things like, Oh, Geraldine, Geraldine, I love where your 1.00

01:01:39.000 head's going.

01:01:39.520 The data, the, the data does not support what you're saying.

01:01:44.220 So where do you think people compromise?

01:01:46.380 No, you're absolutely right about the data.

01:01:48.240 That's a hundred percent true.

01:01:49.820 I just think that you're, I think if I'm on a dating app, I'm a divorced woman.

01:01:55.560 I'm 40.

01:01:56.040 I live in LA.

01:01:56.680 I'm attracted to big, strong manly men, but there's not that many of them in LA.

01:02:00.740 By the way, Henry Cavill, if you're listening, I've been waiting for you to knock on my door

01:02:03.960 for several years.

01:02:04.860 Just come up for a post.

01:02:05.720 He's Henry Cavill is a malugian for sure. 1.00

01:02:08.240 I agree.

01:02:08.760 Yes.

01:02:11.240 Yeah.

01:02:11.660 That's your comparison.

01:02:12.500 That's your standard of beauty that you compared to. 0.99

01:02:14.780 Now I, you're right that you never see a rich man with an ugly woman, but you will see a 1.00

01:02:19.900 beautiful woman with an ugly man very often, especially in church because there are a lot 0.99

01:02:25.440 of women who are smart enough to realize they need to be dating somebody who's a good communicator,

01:02:30.360 who is not too cocky to be a poor mate, who is reliable and going to be a steady partner

01:02:37.260 to raise the children with than somebody who's simply hot.

01:02:40.060 And I think it's again, evolutionary, evolutionary that men are attracted to beautiful women more

01:02:45.340 than women are attracted to him.

01:02:46.920 Okay.

01:02:47.280 I don't, I don't, I'm not going to do like the evolutionary thing.

01:02:49.760 I actually agree with a lot, a lot of what she had to say there.

01:02:52.420 I think she's, she's nailed a bunch.

01:02:53.780 You know, she's a very, Gerilyn, you're very astute, very high Q listener.

01:02:56.900 We have so many of them and we appreciate when you call in, but let me ask you this.

01:03:00.700 Do you agree with the thesis that height has become far more of a focus among women in

01:03:07.720 the dating pool in America than it was say 20 or 30 years ago?

01:03:11.860 Cause that's really my thesis is that online dating, Instagram, social media has made this

01:03:17.300 a thing.

01:03:18.180 Whereas you used to not be able to say six foot.

01:03:21.040 Some women say six, two and above. 1.00

01:03:22.780 I know that exists.

01:03:25.720 Um, I, I think that it's always been important.

01:03:28.900 So no, I reject this thesis.

01:03:30.420 I don't need to become more important.

01:03:32.240 I think now we just have the data to prove that it's important.

01:03:35.580 All right.

01:03:35.780 Well, Gerilyn, I'm just gonna tell you something.

01:03:36.940 If you're a single lady in LA, you set, you set the, uh, if you're on a dating app, 0.99

01:03:40.940 not making any assumptions, but if you're on a dating app, you set that, that, uh, that

01:03:45.180 filter to five, eight plus, you're going to get short Kings.

01:03:49.360 Just, it's going to be great.

01:03:50.780 You know, just, just let those short Kings make their pitch to you. 0.64

01:03:54.020 And I'm telling you, you know, you'll call in, you'd be like, I got, you know, uh, found

01:03:58.380 my, I found the love of my life.

01:03:59.460 Anyway, that's, that's my little bit of a little bit of advice.

01:04:01.880 Thank you, Gerilyn for calling in great call.

01:04:03.360 We'll take more of this.

01:04:04.200 We're having some bum with this one.

01:04:05.780 Uh, and, and we'll take obviously some, some talk backs to some of the guys, some of the

01:04:09.400 gals, you want to get a little salty on the talk back, go to the, uh, go to the 1.00

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