Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： Daily Review With Clay Travis and Buck Sexton

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00:00:04.220 Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

00:00:09.160 Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:15.480 Clay is having a great time on vacation.

00:00:18.080 He was in the Bahamas.

00:00:19.240 He's working on his tan.

00:00:20.960 He wears sandals year round, so nothing new there.

00:00:23.600 But he's having a good time.

00:00:25.160 He'll be back with us on Friday.

00:00:26.520 Just me today, tomorrow, and Thursday.

00:00:30.000 You are riding with the Buckster, and we have much to discuss here.

00:00:35.820 Our friend Ryan Gruduski will also be with us of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network,

00:00:40.060 talking to him about the latest data from CNN.

00:00:42.900 It just keeps getting worse for the Libs and the Democrats,

00:00:46.380 the numbers increasingly showing that wherever it is that you poll

00:00:51.840 on any important issue in the country right now,

00:00:54.520 Trump is much stronger, is doing much better than the Democrats anticipated, hoped for,

00:01:02.320 and have tried very hard to prevent from being the overall perception.

00:01:07.580 So we'll get into some of that.

00:01:09.360 More on the immigration and border issue.

00:01:11.580 Tom Homan, the guy's just an all-star.

00:01:16.240 You know, it's so nice to see, and this is true in a number of the senior Trump administration roles.

00:01:23.000 It's just so nice to have people who know exactly what they're doing

00:01:28.680 and are totally in line with the Trump agenda, and they're making moves every day to that end.

00:01:36.160 So I just think that is critical, and on the border, there may be nothing,

00:01:40.040 maybe no issue that is honestly more important.

00:01:43.500 I think the border and the economy are side by side.

00:01:46.520 You know, thanks to Trump, we're not getting involved in any crazy wars anytime soon.

00:01:50.120 So we shall dive into that.

00:01:52.480 But I did want to take a few moments here to update the story we talked about yesterday

00:01:58.480 about this firebombing terror attack in Colorado

00:02:05.140 and what this tells us about not only the kinds of ideological hatred

00:02:15.100 that are spreading in this country under this, I think, often this shield of,

00:02:22.040 oh, I'm not anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic.

00:02:27.440 I think, I'm just anti-Zionist.

00:02:31.160 Well, I don't know a lot of Zionists who aren't Jews.

00:02:34.240 I think the I'm just anti-Zionist or even anti-Israel is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

00:02:41.920 What is it that they really object to?

00:02:44.640 And as I have pointed out to you, and I will continue to do so,

00:02:47.740 there are many places around the world where there is extreme violence,

00:02:51.940 there is very real oppression,

00:02:54.660 and there are plenty of ways you could argue we should put more pressure on

00:03:01.000 or we should do something out, whether you believe we should or not is a separate issue,

00:03:04.200 but we could theoretically do more.

00:03:07.420 And yet, because it cannot be blamed on the Jewish people,

00:03:11.640 you know, the situation in South Sudan, because it is very tough to make that about Zionism,

00:03:18.100 these individuals who are so upset on college campuses and just on streets in cities across America,

00:03:24.980 they have nothing to say about it.

00:03:27.120 It doesn't even register with them.

00:03:29.500 The realities of Middle East totalitarianism, as it pertains to places like Iran, for example,

00:03:38.860 that is not a problem that gets protests in the streets.

00:03:42.060 People who think they care about women's rights on the left have no issue with Iran,

00:03:47.180 at least no issue they're willing to speak about publicly,

00:03:49.680 but endless issues with Israel and endless issues with Gaza.

00:03:55.120 And I think we all see what that's all about.

00:03:58.740 You'll also notice this, and as I've told you before,

00:04:02.340 this was the first issue of foreign policy that I ever spent real time on.

00:04:07.920 It was going on now over 20 years.

00:04:11.740 When I first, I worked at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

00:04:16.660 I was an intern for Clinton's ambassador, Dennis Ross,

00:04:20.520 who was, Ambassador Ross was the negotiator on the Arab-Israeli peace accords

00:04:24.580 under the Clinton administration.

00:04:25.780 Camp David didn't work, but they tried.

00:04:28.740 I also worked at the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:04:31.540 Council on Foreign Relations, you know, they got the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati.

00:04:35.000 No, Council on Foreign Relations, I did work there as an intern.

00:04:38.400 So trust me, I didn't know the secret handshakes or the secret tunnels or any of that stuff.

00:04:42.100 But I worked there on the U.S. Middle East project,

00:04:45.480 which was also an Arab-Israeli peace project initiative.

00:04:48.140 So I started, as many do, my academic background in Middle East studies on this issue of Israel-Palestine.

00:04:56.520 And so I do have some institutional memory.

00:04:58.940 I do have some recall, not just of how it is now, but how it has been the last 20 years.

00:05:04.980 And what you see is that there are a lot of people who care not a bit about foreign policy as a general matter,

00:05:13.460 but they care so much about what's going on with Israel.

00:05:18.200 And you say, well, why is that?

00:05:21.440 Why is Israel the place?

00:05:23.200 And, you know, we say these things rhetorically.

00:05:25.260 I think we know why.

00:05:27.240 And I think that in the context of America, first of all,

00:05:31.160 there's a tremendous amount of anti-Jewish feeling throughout the Muslim world.

00:05:35.140 That is just a reality.

00:05:36.100 That is a truth.

00:05:37.740 You could even think to the character Borat.

00:05:40.480 I always thought this was fascinating.

00:05:41.960 Remember Ali, number one, Ali G was another one of his characters.

00:05:44.380 Sasha Baron Cohen, who is Jewish, last name is Cohen, a common Jewish last name.

00:05:49.940 Sasha Baron Cohen playing the Ali G character, playing Borat, and Borat became this big famous movie.

00:05:56.660 Kazakhstan is a Muslim country.

00:05:59.580 And one of the bits that Sasha Baron Cohen would do was constantly kind of satirizing

00:06:08.040 the just blatant anti-Semitism of the supposed Kazakh Borat.

00:06:15.040 Now, he got away with this because he never got away with it.

00:06:17.720 You know, the left didn't get angry about it because he never mentioned this was a effectively a Muslim character that he was playing.

00:06:24.680 But there's a tremendous amount of anti-Semitism throughout the Muslim world.

00:06:27.520 And no serious person would argue otherwise or no person who knows what they're talking about.

00:06:32.240 Now, there's a lot of anti-Semitism in Europe and clearly a lot of anti-Semitism in America, too.

00:06:36.500 But it is worse in the Islamic world, by far.

00:06:39.520 And ask any Jew you know who knows anything about these regions, and they'll say, yeah, that is certainly the case.

00:06:45.540 But why is it that this goes to the front of the line?

00:06:48.220 Why is this so important to the American left?

00:06:50.640 Well, as I've discussed here, as I've laid forward, and I know Clay has adopted this to his own thinking as well,

00:06:57.400 this is a white versus brown conflict in the minds of the American left.

00:07:01.560 The Israelis are white.

00:07:02.720 The Palestinians are brown.

00:07:03.920 Therefore, the moral high ground is set and unchangeable in favor of the brown Palestinians.

00:07:12.160 Whatever they have to do is justified.

00:07:14.340 They are oppressed.

00:07:15.940 They are the ones who are suffering any action, including the most heinous and vicious actions,

00:07:21.020 humanly possible or thinkable, which Hamas and affiliated and assorted terrorist groups on behalf of the Palestinians,

00:07:29.280 comprised of Palestinians, have engaged in, is inherently justified because they're so oppressed.

00:07:35.120 And I've said this before, if October 7th wouldn't turn people against the Palestinian cause such as it is,

00:07:43.620 because the cause is not an independent state.

00:07:45.400 The cause is the eradication of the Jewish state.

00:07:47.140 That is the truth.

00:07:48.400 It is obvious to anyone paying attention and who is being honest.

00:07:51.740 But if that won't turn you against the cause, or if there won't be criticism from people after that,

00:07:58.480 there is nothing that will make them critical of this.

00:08:01.440 There is nothing that will turn them and make them think that the Palestinians perhaps should look inward and take a different approach.

00:08:08.600 And I think that couldn't be more clear than it is right now.

00:08:12.940 This is why I remind everyone the so-called glorious martyrs and the resistance of groups like Hamas stretching back into the second intifada in the early 2000s

00:08:23.400 was just a series of suicide bombings meant to bring Israeli life to a halt, to a standstill,

00:08:29.660 to destroy the daily lives of Israelis and to murder as many Israelis, women and children as possible.

00:08:35.760 A moral person, a moral person from any country, from any culture, of any religion or skin color,

00:08:43.820 a moral person does not go into a crowded restaurant with a suicide vest on, packed with ball bearings,

00:08:51.260 killing himself and everyone else there because they think that somehow this is going to achieve what exactly?

00:09:00.920 Revenge? A state?

00:09:02.900 No one's even clear what they want because what they want is the manifestation of and the right to act on deep hatred.

00:09:12.960 And that brings me to Colorado.

00:09:15.000 And this individual, Egyptian national, came to this country claiming he wants asylum.

00:09:21.100 Think about that for a moment.

00:09:22.580 You know, this reminds me of, there's something particularly heinous.

00:09:29.140 And you see this playing out in a number of different very, you know, well-known and well-made movies about World War II.

00:09:37.520 But it was well-known, and some of those of you who had, you know, veteran, particularly a Marine and Army dads fighting in World War II,

00:09:47.820 it was well-known that the Japanese, as one of their tactics, would claim that they were wounded and surrender,

00:09:55.680 and then they would actually have a grenade.

00:09:57.060 And so they would say, please, please don't kill me.

00:10:00.240 I'm wounded.

00:10:00.820 I can't fight.

00:10:01.720 And then our GIs would go over because our people were always trying to be humane in the most inhumane circumstances.

00:10:09.180 And they would go, and then they would be blown up by this person.

00:10:11.760 And this was common.

00:10:12.680 You see this in a whole, you see this in Thin Red Line.

00:10:15.460 You see this in Letters from Iwo Jima.

00:10:16.880 Somebody who claims asylum in your country is on that same moral plane.

00:10:23.780 They're saying, please, I need to skip the line.

00:10:26.900 I'm in a desperate situation.

00:10:28.960 I have to get away from my home country.

00:10:31.240 My home country is so awful that if you send me back, I could be tortured and killed.

00:10:38.340 Please, out of the kindness of your heart, take me in.

00:10:41.560 This individual, this terrorist in Colorado, said that he wanted asylum, used our process,

00:10:49.980 used the goodness of the American people, used our mercy against us

00:10:54.960 and against our Jewish brothers and sisters in Colorado who were burned severely in this attack.

00:11:04.740 And now we have more details.

00:11:06.700 We know this was absolutely not just an act of terror,

00:11:09.440 but a premeditated and particularly vicious one.

00:11:13.460 It is hard to think of something that is more awful than intentionally lighting defenseless people on fire.

00:11:20.320 But that is what Mohammed Saliman, who disguised himself as a gardener in an orange vest

00:11:26.920 so he could get as close as possible to these individuals in Boulder, Colorado,

00:11:31.820 that is what Mohammed Saliman wanted to do.

00:11:34.120 And he believed his actions just, not just then, but after the fact.

00:11:39.960 He believes, because he has said it to law enforcement,

00:11:43.340 that this was vengeance for, quote, his people.

00:11:48.580 His people.

00:11:50.820 He's Egyptian.

00:11:52.460 You might say to yourself, what is he talking about?

00:11:54.720 Oh, okay.

00:11:56.100 You mean Muslim, brown, non-Jews.

00:12:00.460 That's essentially what he means by his people.

00:12:04.200 Or rather, the people that he associates with who hate the Jewish people.

00:12:08.320 If you do not understand these hatreds and see how they are,

00:12:11.880 for one side, immovable and unfortunately central to the society,

00:12:16.640 the hatred of Jews is central to the people of Gaza.

00:12:19.980 Look at their textbooks.

00:12:21.200 There are whole initiatives that have been going on for years to show people

00:12:24.040 what is taught about Jews in the schools,

00:12:27.860 such as there are schools in places like Gaza and in the West Bank.

00:12:31.960 And it couldn't be more clear which side of this issue all of us should be on,

00:12:39.040 and yet you have not just radical fringe elements of the left,

00:12:42.460 you have the Democrat Party itself,

00:12:45.360 sympathetic to and making room for this virulent anti-Semitism.

00:12:50.540 This has now replaced the kneeling for George Floyd, you have to understand.

00:12:58.100 This is filling that hole in the soul of all of these leftists in America

00:13:03.780 who think that we must always be having some sort of racial reckoning.

00:13:08.820 I know it isn't reasonable or even logical,

00:13:14.420 but they view the Israelis fighting Hamas as a racial reckoning of white oppression

00:13:21.560 against the non-white adversary here.

00:13:25.380 And so this is why they attach themselves to this.

00:13:28.540 They feel so, people don't know,

00:13:30.560 they don't know anything about the Balfour Declaration,

00:13:33.420 about the Nakba, about 1948,

00:13:35.600 about UN Resolution 242 or UN Resolution 338

00:13:39.500 or the 1973 war or the, I mean, go down the list.

00:13:43.820 They don't know anything about the removal of Israelis,

00:13:47.500 of settlers from Gaza

00:13:48.720 and the destruction of greenhouses

00:13:50.840 and the destruction of infrastructure

00:13:52.420 and all the, they don't, no.

00:13:55.820 They don't, all they know is

00:13:58.200 they have been told

00:14:00.320 the Jews, the white people here

00:14:03.400 who are Jews, are the bad people

00:14:05.500 and they are obsessed

00:14:07.120 with the virtue signaling

00:14:08.800 of marching around campus

00:14:10.540 proclaiming to care so much

00:14:12.420 about the oppressed and the dispossessed.

00:14:15.320 And that ideology, unfortunately,

00:14:18.680 also inspires and creates

00:14:21.260 far too much room for maniacs

00:14:23.680 like this Molotov cocktail throwing

00:14:26.220 murderer or attempted murderer

00:14:29.280 who thought that lighting defenseless people

00:14:33.080 on fire was people

00:14:35.300 he had never met before

00:14:36.520 who had never done anything to him.

00:14:39.360 And here we are now

00:14:41.520 seeing once again,

00:14:42.640 just like we saw on October 7th,

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00:14:46.120 and a side of decency here.

00:14:48.780 And every American gets to choose.

00:14:50.700 The Democrats, largely, for the most part,

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00:16:35.880 We've been talking about

00:16:36.900 this terrorist attack

00:16:38.740 in Colorado and Boulder.

00:16:40.620 The guy was an illegal,

00:16:43.660 a visa overstay illegal.

00:16:45.860 And I can tell you

00:16:46.700 that in the pre-Trump era,

00:16:49.140 I'm pretty familiar

00:16:50.360 with these stats.

00:16:51.400 They would estimate

00:16:52.100 something like

00:16:52.640 a half a million visa

00:16:53.880 overstays a year.

00:16:55.960 That's not even a number

00:16:57.060 that you think of

00:16:58.020 when you're generally

00:16:59.860 considering illegals

00:17:01.060 in the country, right?

00:17:01.780 You think of the people

00:17:02.520 that come across the border,

00:17:03.920 which was about

00:17:05.680 10 million under Biden.

00:17:07.460 We'll call it 10 million.

00:17:08.660 I think that's right.

00:17:09.820 8 million officially,

00:17:11.040 plus you add up

00:17:11.600 all the gotaways.

00:17:12.720 9 or 10 million

00:17:13.480 is where it is.

00:17:15.380 And we have

00:17:17.000 more people

00:17:19.420 and more ways

00:17:20.380 that they are

00:17:22.160 gaming our immigration system

00:17:23.760 and staying in this country

00:17:24.780 illegally.

00:17:26.380 This is a massive problem.

00:17:28.160 Last time,

00:17:28.560 we were talking about

00:17:29.140 the anti-Semitism

00:17:29.840 and the components

00:17:31.480 of the ideology

00:17:35.360 of anti-Semitism

00:17:36.900 against, well,

00:17:38.560 against the Jewish people

00:17:40.040 and why so many Americans.

00:17:42.800 I mean, think about this

00:17:43.540 for a second.

00:17:44.180 A lot of these college kids

00:17:45.620 who take this

00:17:47.060 very anti-Israel

00:17:48.540 and very pro-Palestine

00:17:51.480 or pro-Palestinian

00:17:52.380 point of view.

00:17:53.140 And I know there's

00:17:54.780 something deeply unfair

00:17:55.980 about the same way

00:17:57.420 I said this with Iran.

00:17:58.660 I extend the same thing

00:17:59.720 to there are people

00:18:01.540 in Gaza who,

00:18:03.160 you know,

00:18:03.400 there are children there.

00:18:04.180 There are people

00:18:04.520 who have no choice.

00:18:05.400 There are people

00:18:05.700 who have no political agency

00:18:07.520 and they're stuck there

00:18:09.240 and it's unfair.

00:18:11.740 But there are also

00:18:12.540 a lot of adults

00:18:13.240 who are there

00:18:14.100 and aren't doing anything.

00:18:15.600 And then there are

00:18:16.200 a lot of adults

00:18:16.860 who are doing terrible things,

00:18:17.960 right?

00:18:18.460 Or rather,

00:18:19.500 there are adults

00:18:20.000 who could do more

00:18:21.200 to try to bring about

00:18:23.120 something else.

00:18:23.660 Somehow there's always

00:18:24.500 there's always somebody

00:18:25.480 who will fire a rocket

00:18:27.720 at the Israelis in Gaza.

00:18:29.300 There's not somebody

00:18:30.060 who will,

00:18:31.440 let's just say,

00:18:32.420 try to change up

00:18:33.760 the Hamas leadership situation.

00:18:36.040 You know what I mean?

00:18:37.460 Somehow there are

00:18:38.780 plenty of people

00:18:39.460 willing to be,

00:18:40.140 you know,

00:18:40.260 brave martyrs,

00:18:41.000 so to speak,

00:18:41.440 against the Israelis,

00:18:42.500 but they won't do anything

00:18:44.240 to stop the madmen

00:18:45.900 in their midst

00:18:46.740 who are running the country.

00:18:47.700 But the same thing

00:18:49.580 is true in Iran, right?

00:18:50.460 If we had to do strikes

00:18:51.420 in Iran for some reason,

00:18:53.260 it wouldn't be the fault

00:18:54.700 of every Iranian,

00:18:56.000 but this war is hell

00:18:57.520 and war is unfair

00:18:58.460 and this is reality.

00:19:00.120 And we have to operate

00:19:01.260 within that reality.

00:19:03.580 And, you know,

00:19:04.440 you do the best

00:19:05.100 that you can.

00:19:05.860 We didn't want to be

00:19:06.560 bombing villages

00:19:07.360 in Afghanistan

00:19:08.120 until 9-11,

00:19:09.440 quite honestly.

00:19:10.160 We didn't really care

00:19:11.100 very much about Afghanistan.

00:19:13.060 But then they made us care.

00:19:15.020 Well,

00:19:15.920 the Israelis have been

00:19:17.160 made to care more than ever

00:19:18.380 about their own safety

00:19:19.540 and security

00:19:20.100 after October 7th.

00:19:22.320 So,

00:19:22.840 there's the immigration

00:19:24.160 part of this.

00:19:24.740 So,

00:19:24.820 that's the ideological

00:19:25.900 Mideast foreign policy

00:19:27.260 part of it.

00:19:27.760 Now,

00:19:27.940 let's look at the

00:19:28.820 truth of what's going on

00:19:32.340 here with our border.

00:19:33.100 It's wide open.

00:19:34.660 And,

00:19:34.900 I'm sorry,

00:19:35.300 has been wide open.

00:19:36.220 Of course,

00:19:36.580 it's not wide open anymore.

00:19:37.540 Trump has brought

00:19:38.040 the numbers down

00:19:38.760 99%,

00:19:40.900 something unfathomable.

00:19:42.620 I thought Trump

00:19:43.480 would do a good job.

00:19:44.840 And if I'm just being

00:19:45.780 honest with you,

00:19:46.280 I thought we would see

00:19:47.080 a 90%,

00:19:48.020 something like that,

00:19:49.340 a 90%.

00:19:49.880 I didn't think it would

00:19:50.640 be almost zero.

00:19:52.640 And the numbers now,

00:19:53.780 I think they can count

00:19:54.480 in the hundreds

00:19:55.000 on a monthly basis

00:19:55.940 how many are entering

00:19:56.740 the country illegally.

00:19:57.500 I mean,

00:19:57.660 it is.

00:19:58.640 And this frees up.

00:20:00.340 This is what I have said

00:20:01.300 all along.

00:20:02.020 This is so important.

00:20:03.840 This frees up

00:20:05.520 the resources

00:20:06.940 at Border Patrol.

00:20:08.000 And I've spent time

00:20:10.020 with our Border Patrol guys.

00:20:11.560 You got,

00:20:11.880 it's,

00:20:12.220 you know,

00:20:12.800 the more people know

00:20:13.440 about Border Patrol,

00:20:14.100 I think the more respect

00:20:14.960 for those men and women

00:20:15.880 they have.

00:20:16.600 They do a tough job.

00:20:18.520 Something like a third

00:20:19.680 of Border Patrol

00:20:20.460 are United States

00:20:21.780 military veterans.

00:20:23.480 Maybe 25%

00:20:24.780 are Latino

00:20:26.280 as well,

00:20:27.300 are Latino Americans.

00:20:28.820 So,

00:20:29.340 this notion

00:20:30.300 that,

00:20:30.980 you know,

00:20:32.200 that Border Patrol

00:20:33.020 is in some way

00:20:33.780 a racist enterprise

00:20:35.800 or that these aren't

00:20:36.700 people that are,

00:20:37.560 you know,

00:20:37.720 they're demonized

00:20:38.660 by the left

00:20:39.380 as though they're

00:20:40.000 doing something terrible.

00:20:41.560 You know,

00:20:41.780 they're rounding people up

00:20:42.800 and putting them

00:20:43.220 into these camps.

00:20:44.600 They're protecting us.

00:20:46.440 And as we see

00:20:47.400 with this terrorist,

00:20:49.720 I know that he's

00:20:50.260 a visa overstay,

00:20:51.320 but okay,

00:20:52.300 Immigrations and Customs

00:20:53.320 Enforcement

00:20:53.680 is supposed to

00:20:54.560 and should have

00:20:55.420 gotten this guy

00:20:56.660 out of the country.

00:20:57.460 Now,

00:20:57.620 I know he's,

00:20:58.660 he has claimed asylum.

00:20:59.980 I think that we just need

00:21:01.080 to have a shutdown

00:21:01.640 of the asylum process

00:21:02.680 in this country

00:21:03.380 for a while

00:21:04.020 until we figure things out.

00:21:05.600 That's really where we are.

00:21:06.760 And all pending

00:21:07.920 asylum claims

00:21:08.660 just need to be,

00:21:09.540 you know,

00:21:10.420 maybe they come up

00:21:11.780 with some very high

00:21:12.820 threshold for it,

00:21:13.820 but there are.

00:21:15.360 And I know

00:21:16.200 that's unfair too,

00:21:17.220 right?

00:21:17.420 Because there are people

00:21:18.600 who need a place

00:21:20.920 to go,

00:21:21.340 but we're not

00:21:21.720 the only place

00:21:22.580 they can go.

00:21:24.280 The more you

00:21:25.260 dig into this,

00:21:27.000 almost all

00:21:28.020 of the asylum claims

00:21:29.200 that are making

00:21:29.780 their way

00:21:30.180 through our courts

00:21:30.960 are invalidated

00:21:32.740 by one thing

00:21:33.740 alone.

00:21:34.900 And that is

00:21:35.860 that these people

00:21:36.500 came via Mexico.

00:21:39.220 They are not

00:21:40.280 supposed to pick

00:21:41.360 which country

00:21:42.160 they want to get

00:21:43.840 to for asylum.

00:21:45.460 It's which country

00:21:46.540 they get to first

00:21:47.760 where they can be

00:21:48.620 considered safe.

00:21:51.020 So,

00:21:51.740 if we were serious,

00:21:53.880 and I think the Trump

00:21:54.340 administration will be,

00:21:55.240 but if the Biden

00:21:55.760 administration

00:21:56.320 had any intention

00:21:57.320 of enforcing

00:21:58.020 actual asylum law,

00:21:59.280 right,

00:21:59.480 think about it.

00:22:00.060 If you're fleeing,

00:22:01.720 you know,

00:22:03.140 I don't know,

00:22:03.440 you're fleeing

00:22:03.880 oppression in Indonesia

00:22:05.220 as an ethnic minority,

00:22:07.980 and you make

00:22:09.040 your way to Mexico,

00:22:10.340 you're supposed

00:22:11.340 to say,

00:22:12.260 hey, Mexico,

00:22:12.880 I need asylum.

00:22:14.340 You're not supposed

00:22:15.400 to go,

00:22:16.400 hey,

00:22:16.860 you know what would

00:22:17.340 be really cool?

00:22:17.980 If I can make it

00:22:18.600 to America

00:22:19.180 because they're rich

00:22:20.640 and they have

00:22:21.080 a big fat welfare state.

00:22:23.400 That's not how

00:22:24.400 it is supposed to go.

00:22:26.180 And so,

00:22:26.960 all of these people

00:22:28.520 that are saying

00:22:29.000 they claim asylum,

00:22:30.060 they write on its face.

00:22:32.820 We should be able

00:22:33.380 to just say to them,

00:22:33.980 okay,

00:22:34.140 well,

00:22:34.260 did you,

00:22:34.660 show me your

00:22:35.260 asylum paperwork

00:22:35.940 from Mexico?

00:22:36.820 Wait,

00:22:37.060 you didn't,

00:22:37.680 you didn't try

00:22:38.180 to get asylum in Mexico?

00:22:39.080 Why?

00:22:40.200 Oh,

00:22:40.440 because you want

00:22:41.180 to just jump the line

00:22:42.400 and go to America

00:22:43.120 and you're,

00:22:43.660 and then that's not

00:22:44.320 even looking at

00:22:44.900 whether they have

00:22:45.440 a legitimate claim

00:22:46.400 of asylum,

00:22:46.900 which they don't.

00:22:48.240 Because there's not

00:22:49.000 a hundred and,

00:22:49.660 if a hundred and eighty

00:22:50.440 countries around the world

00:22:51.580 all have asylum seekers

00:22:52.740 all coming to America,

00:22:53.940 it just means that

00:22:54.400 every country,

00:22:55.180 you know,

00:22:55.420 pretty much,

00:22:56.380 you know,

00:22:56.600 we don't have a lot

00:22:57.040 of asylum seekers

00:22:57.760 from Liechtenstein

00:23:00.060 Denmark,

00:23:00.540 but we've got

00:23:01.700 a lot of asylum seekers

00:23:02.800 from everywhere else.

00:23:04.320 Tom Homan

00:23:05.040 is pointing out

00:23:07.420 that this has created

00:23:09.620 the Biden administration

00:23:10.640 problem

00:23:12.060 is something

00:23:13.060 that is going

00:23:13.680 to plague this country

00:23:14.960 for years to come.

00:23:15.880 No matter how fast,

00:23:17.360 no matter how efficient

00:23:18.640 the Trump administration

00:23:20.200 border policies are

00:23:21.920 and the enforcement

00:23:23.140 mechanisms are,

00:23:24.700 it is just

00:23:25.980 mathematically impossible

00:23:27.940 to fully handle

00:23:30.000 and turn around

00:23:31.020 just what Biden did.

00:23:33.280 Think about that.

00:23:34.220 If I said to you

00:23:35.180 the Trump administration's

00:23:36.640 mandate is to return

00:23:37.740 everybody who came

00:23:38.740 under Biden

00:23:39.520 in those four years

00:23:41.340 illegally,

00:23:42.880 never mind everyone

00:23:43.760 who came before

00:23:44.400 Biden illegally,

00:23:45.180 we'll put that

00:23:46.320 to the side

00:23:46.780 for a second.

00:23:48.080 That number

00:23:48.880 is probably too much.

00:23:50.820 Just logistically

00:23:51.980 too much.

00:23:53.800 I'd like to think

00:23:54.720 that I'm wrong,

00:23:55.260 but I don't think

00:23:55.760 I'm wrong.

00:23:57.000 Because if we ramped

00:23:57.980 it up and you got

00:23:58.600 to a million deportations

00:23:59.840 a year under Trump,

00:24:00.700 which would be a lot,

00:24:02.260 let's say you get

00:24:02.620 to a million,

00:24:03.380 and these are real

00:24:04.140 deportations,

00:24:04.820 people are going

00:24:05.200 to say,

00:24:05.520 but Buck,

00:24:06.260 what about in the 2000s

00:24:08.800 or what about in the 90s

00:24:09.840 when we were deporting?

00:24:10.760 No, a lot of that

00:24:11.900 was people who were

00:24:12.760 turned away.

00:24:14.940 The immigration,

00:24:16.100 illegal immigration,

00:24:17.000 particularly into California

00:24:18.040 in the 90s,

00:24:19.960 was single adult males

00:24:21.140 crossing the border,

00:24:22.900 working,

00:24:23.460 and then going off

00:24:24.320 and going back,

00:24:25.060 and then coming back

00:24:25.920 again seasonally.

00:24:27.320 So yeah,

00:24:27.900 they were breaking

00:24:28.440 our laws,

00:24:29.220 but there were

00:24:29.920 multiple crossings

00:24:31.120 and they were

00:24:33.100 single adult males.

00:24:33.820 Now it's turned

00:24:34.340 into a lot of family units,

00:24:35.640 women,

00:24:36.220 women showing up

00:24:36.840 with children,

00:24:37.360 and they plan

00:24:38.860 to stay forever

00:24:39.440 and they're from

00:24:39.800 all over the world.

00:24:41.000 What the Obama

00:24:42.500 administration did

00:24:43.540 to make the numbers

00:24:44.680 seem much more robust

00:24:46.800 than they were

00:24:47.360 was,

00:24:47.900 oh,

00:24:48.420 Border Patrol

00:24:48.980 stopped you

00:24:49.820 and just sent you

00:24:51.260 back to Mexico?

00:24:52.660 That's a deportation.

00:24:54.760 That was how we got

00:24:55.660 to the deporter-in-chief.

00:24:56.600 They changed the way

00:24:57.300 that they,

00:24:57.900 so if we got to a million

00:24:58.860 real deportations a year,

00:25:01.260 meaning people picked up

00:25:03.380 from the interior,

00:25:04.700 put on a plane,

00:25:05.680 and sent to their

00:25:06.280 country of origin,

00:25:07.060 that would be pretty impressive.

00:25:08.000 Okay, well that's four million.

00:25:09.640 He had six million to go.

00:25:11.820 Here's Tom Homan,

00:25:12.880 this is cut ten,

00:25:14.140 just laying this out

00:25:15.080 so everybody understands

00:25:15.900 the scale of this problem.

00:25:17.420 Play it.

00:25:17.680 We are going to be dealing

00:25:19.040 with this for the next ten years

00:25:20.640 because of the chaos

00:25:22.400 they created in four years.

00:25:23.880 We're out there kicking butt.

00:25:24.900 We're arresting a lot

00:25:25.620 of criminal aliens.

00:25:26.800 We're out there looking

00:25:27.340 for the bad guy,

00:25:28.620 and when we're out there

00:25:29.280 doing that,

00:25:29.960 we've got protesters

00:25:31.000 assaulting ICE officers.

00:25:32.920 We've got members of Congress

00:25:34.020 all over the country

00:25:35.320 going to ICE facilities,

00:25:36.640 raising hell,

00:25:37.460 saying this is

00:25:37.960 their oversight responsibility.

00:25:39.680 Where was their

00:25:40.260 oversight responsibility

00:25:41.560 when 10.5 million

00:25:43.320 illegal aliens

00:25:43.840 came across the border?

00:25:45.080 Where is their

00:25:45.560 oversight responsibility?

00:25:46.660 I'm releasing

00:25:47.740 over 8 million

00:25:48.500 illegal aliens

00:25:49.080 in this country.

00:25:50.080 Where is their

00:25:50.440 oversight responsibility then?

00:25:51.700 This is an attack

00:25:52.360 on ICE.

00:25:53.080 This is an attack

00:25:53.700 on the Trump administration.

00:25:54.940 We're trying to fix

00:25:56.020 the damage done

00:25:56.760 by Biden.

00:25:58.820 An attack

00:25:59.720 on the Trump administration

00:26:01.880 and fixing the damage

00:26:03.440 done by Biden.

00:26:04.220 So true.

00:26:05.600 And I just think

00:26:06.700 that we all need

00:26:08.380 to understand

00:26:09.640 it was a choice

00:26:11.340 made by Biden

00:26:12.260 and his team.

00:26:13.180 It was not

00:26:13.800 a failure

00:26:15.120 of policy.

00:26:16.380 It was the

00:26:17.080 enacting

00:26:17.840 of policy.

00:26:19.260 They wanted

00:26:20.200 the illegals

00:26:20.880 in this country.

00:26:21.580 They wanted

00:26:21.980 millions and millions

00:26:23.440 of illegals

00:26:24.180 to pile into the country

00:26:25.080 to overwhelm

00:26:26.200 the system.

00:26:27.340 Rules for radicals.

00:26:28.540 Saul Alinsky

00:26:29.160 overwhelmed

00:26:30.340 the system.

00:26:31.940 And then once

00:26:32.760 you break it

00:26:33.500 through overwhelming

00:26:34.280 it,

00:26:34.580 you can remake it.

00:26:36.580 That's what they

00:26:37.400 were trying to do

00:26:38.280 here.

00:26:38.960 And they got

00:26:39.720 very far

00:26:40.340 in that process.

00:26:41.160 And we are

00:26:42.600 playing catch-up

00:26:44.020 and then some.

00:26:44.940 Even this administration

00:26:45.920 has dialed in

00:26:46.960 as they are.

00:26:48.320 But now we look

00:26:49.020 at the,

00:26:49.780 what about the fact

00:26:50.980 that we were wide

00:26:51.720 open for terrorist

00:26:52.460 infiltration?

00:26:53.660 We just had

00:26:55.020 an illegal alien

00:26:56.000 terror attack

00:26:56.780 lighting Jewish

00:26:58.160 people on fire

00:26:58.960 in Colorado.

00:26:59.440 We just had one.

00:27:01.360 We're going

00:27:02.100 to have more.

00:27:03.440 There will be

00:27:04.340 more.

00:27:05.160 If you were

00:27:05.940 a foreign terrorist

00:27:06.820 organization

00:27:07.540 and you just

00:27:08.700 had access

00:27:09.380 to the internet,

00:27:10.320 you would have

00:27:10.820 seen what was

00:27:11.400 going on under

00:27:12.020 Biden and known

00:27:12.820 it is open

00:27:13.480 season for

00:27:14.500 infiltration

00:27:15.360 of the United

00:27:16.760 States.

00:27:17.860 And this is

00:27:18.580 why the

00:27:18.940 gotaway issue

00:27:19.860 is so problematic

00:27:21.880 or so concerning

00:27:22.880 for us.

00:27:23.880 Because remember,

00:27:25.440 under Biden,

00:27:26.680 and I saw this

00:27:27.520 with my own eyes

00:27:28.240 at the border

00:27:28.800 many times,

00:27:30.020 they were

00:27:30.920 surrendering

00:27:32.140 at the border.

00:27:33.960 It's not,

00:27:35.120 oh, I think

00:27:35.680 the coast is clear.

00:27:36.560 I'm going to

00:27:36.780 make a run for

00:27:37.480 it and border

00:27:37.960 patrol is

00:27:38.560 coming after

00:27:39.640 you in the

00:27:40.060 pickup truck

00:27:40.660 and they're

00:27:40.960 running after

00:27:41.400 you on foot.

00:27:42.140 No, no, no.

00:27:43.180 That's only

00:27:43.740 for the

00:27:44.060 gotaways,

00:27:44.860 which were a

00:27:45.580 small percentage

00:27:46.440 overall of those

00:27:47.440 who crossed.

00:27:47.920 Most people,

00:27:48.460 they would show

00:27:49.040 up, they would

00:27:50.000 find a hole

00:27:50.600 in the fence

00:27:51.200 or a gap

00:27:51.780 in the fence

00:27:52.320 or they'd

00:27:52.640 show up at

00:27:53.020 a port of

00:27:53.380 entry or

00:27:53.780 whatever.

00:27:54.620 They'd say,

00:27:55.180 here I am.

00:27:56.440 I'm claiming

00:27:57.040 asylum.

00:27:58.360 Oh, okay,

00:27:59.060 now we have to

00:27:59.640 put you through

00:28:00.000 the whole process.

00:28:00.880 Now you get to

00:28:01.280 get released

00:28:01.880 into America,

00:28:02.820 we'll give you

00:28:03.080 a bus ticket,

00:28:03.740 we'll give you

00:28:04.060 food, that

00:28:05.620 whole thing.

00:28:06.540 So if you

00:28:07.080 know that's

00:28:07.520 the process,

00:28:08.080 why would

00:28:08.420 you make a

00:28:08.760 run for it?

00:28:10.420 You make a

00:28:10.840 run for it if

00:28:11.520 you happen to

00:28:12.700 be in that

00:28:13.080 category of

00:28:13.900 you can't

00:28:15.160 claim asylum

00:28:15.760 because you're

00:28:16.160 going to come

00:28:16.460 up on that

00:28:16.920 database and

00:28:18.220 they know

00:28:18.440 you're a

00:28:18.740 risk, you're

00:28:19.100 a problem.

00:28:20.020 You're either

00:28:20.300 a convicted

00:28:20.680 murderer, and

00:28:21.460 by the way,

00:28:21.820 there were

00:28:22.000 convicted

00:28:22.300 murderers who

00:28:22.740 got in the

00:28:23.060 country anyway,

00:28:23.580 but you're

00:28:24.200 somebody that

00:28:24.820 could get

00:28:25.100 flagged or

00:28:25.560 somebody that

00:28:25.980 didn't want

00:28:26.300 to have any

00:28:26.760 scrutiny on

00:28:27.280 him whatsoever.

00:28:28.640 This is

00:28:29.000 cut 11.

00:28:30.120 Tom Homan,

00:28:30.740 the guy who I

00:28:31.260 think knows

00:28:31.660 the border better

00:28:32.340 than anybody

00:28:32.860 else on the

00:28:33.920 scene right

00:28:34.520 now, here's

00:28:35.560 what he says,

00:28:36.120 play it.

00:28:36.620 Why did 2

00:28:37.360 million illegal

00:28:38.120 aliens pay

00:28:39.400 more to get

00:28:39.940 away?

00:28:40.740 They could

00:28:41.180 have paid

00:28:41.560 half of what

00:28:42.480 they paid,

00:28:43.620 cross the

00:28:44.120 border, turn

00:28:44.520 themselves into

00:28:45.100 a border

00:28:45.380 agent, get

00:28:46.040 released that

00:28:46.580 same day, get

00:28:47.320 a free airline

00:28:47.980 ticket to the

00:28:48.720 city of their

00:28:49.200 choice, get a

00:28:50.100 free hotel room,

00:28:50.940 get three meals

00:28:51.640 a day, plus

00:28:52.440 free medical

00:28:52.940 care and work

00:28:53.920 authorization.

00:28:54.980 2 million people

00:28:55.780 paid more to

00:28:56.780 get away.

00:28:57.460 They didn't

00:28:57.760 want to be

00:28:58.080 vetted, they

00:28:58.760 didn't want to

00:28:59.060 be fingerprinted.

00:29:00.280 Why?

00:29:01.100 This scares the

00:29:01.720 hell out of me.

00:29:02.220 I've been

00:29:02.460 doing this

00:29:02.720 for 40

00:29:03.260 years.

00:29:04.020 It should

00:29:04.380 have scared

00:29:04.760 the hell

00:29:05.100 out of every

00:29:05.500 American, what

00:29:06.320 the Biden

00:29:06.660 administration

00:29:07.040 did.

00:29:07.680 This 2

00:29:08.200 million known

00:29:08.760 gotaways scares

00:29:09.880 the hell out

00:29:10.540 of me, so I'm

00:29:11.360 convinced something's

00:29:12.760 coming unless we

00:29:13.460 can find them.

00:29:15.400 He's right, and

00:29:17.240 they're tracking

00:29:17.700 them down as fast

00:29:18.420 as they can, but

00:29:19.900 we had, it was

00:29:20.960 open season on

00:29:22.280 America for four

00:29:23.500 years of Biden, and

00:29:25.240 now we're trying

00:29:26.360 to play catch-up,

00:29:27.900 and the Trump

00:29:28.980 team is doing

00:29:29.520 everything they

00:29:30.100 can, but it

00:29:31.600 you could have

00:29:33.180 never imagined

00:29:34.060 that the

00:29:35.160 Democrats would

00:29:35.880 so grotesquely

00:29:38.240 sell out their

00:29:39.020 country, and

00:29:40.360 sell out our

00:29:40.940 sovereignty the

00:29:41.500 way they did

00:29:42.200 for all of

00:29:43.720 Biden's time

00:29:45.000 in office.

00:29:46.320 It's intentional.

00:29:48.340 They did this

00:29:49.320 on purpose.

00:29:50.340 you know, it's

00:29:53.440 just sabotage.

00:29:55.200 It's sabotage, and

00:29:56.720 that's one of the

00:29:57.380 reasons I think so

00:29:58.260 many people have

00:29:59.000 seen that the

00:29:59.480 Democrats are a

00:30:00.480 malignant force.

00:30:01.480 They sabotage this

00:30:02.920 country's border and

00:30:04.760 our security, and we

00:30:06.100 do not know the full

00:30:07.140 consequences yet, and

00:30:08.600 I pray that we never

00:30:10.100 find out, but we

00:30:12.320 have a big problem on

00:30:13.360 our hands.

00:30:14.480 This terrorist, this

00:30:15.420 guy lighting people on

00:30:16.400 fire, he's just, that's

00:30:17.800 just the beginning.

00:30:18.420 We're going to get

00:30:19.740 hit again, unless the

00:30:22.700 people in charge now

00:30:23.540 are able to figure

00:30:24.300 out who's where and

00:30:25.460 stop them, and

00:30:26.320 that's a, maybe they

00:30:27.840 can, but it is a big

00:30:28.940 ask, and I know this

00:30:29.880 business.

00:30:30.280 I was in that

00:30:30.980 business.

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00:33:04.760 Ryan Gurdusky joins us

00:33:06.000 now.

00:33:06.460 He is of the Clay and

00:33:07.840 Buck podcast network.

00:33:09.820 It's a numbers game, a

00:33:11.500 great podcast.

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00:33:12.940 saying it's a big,

00:33:14.000 beautiful podcast,

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00:33:17.160 Breaks down a lot of

00:33:17.780 the data, the numbers.

00:33:19.080 Mr. Gurdusky, great to

00:33:20.400 have you with me, sir.

00:33:21.500 Thanks for having me

00:33:22.620 on.

00:33:22.920 I'm so excited.

00:33:24.120 I wanted to, look,

00:33:25.940 there's, I like to just

00:33:28.080 get this out of the way

00:33:28.780 first and foremost.

00:33:30.100 You know, there are

00:33:30.780 some bootleg Gurduskys

00:33:33.500 out there, including

00:33:35.240 CNN's Harry Anton,

00:33:37.080 right?

00:33:37.260 I mean, it's like, he's

00:33:38.080 a, he's a fine guy.

00:33:39.460 I think he does okay data

00:33:40.400 analysis, but he's a poor

00:33:41.500 man's Gurdusky, but he did

00:33:43.420 say some, yes, sir.

00:33:45.720 Yeah, no, yeah.

00:33:46.160 Yes.

00:33:46.420 That's a hundred percent

00:33:47.060 true.

00:33:47.380 Yes.

00:33:47.900 Yes.

00:33:48.160 He's a poor man's Gurdusky.

00:33:49.420 We have, we have the, uh,

00:33:50.440 we have the original deal,

00:33:51.560 right?

00:33:51.720 We've got the, the real deal

00:33:53.160 here with Ryan Gurdusky, but

00:33:54.700 he, he's been saying some

00:33:55.860 stuff about the numbers as

00:33:57.500 it pertains to Trump.

00:33:58.660 Let's start this one with,

00:33:59.980 with, uh, with cut 21.

00:34:02.520 Here's CNN's data guy.

00:34:03.960 And then Ryan, I want you to

00:34:04.720 explain what's going on

00:34:05.660 here and what you see play

00:34:06.620 in the party that is closest

00:34:07.640 to your economic views in

00:34:09.060 November of 2023, it was

00:34:10.360 the Republicans by 11

00:34:11.360 points.

00:34:11.860 Now it's still within that

00:34:13.220 range, still within that

00:34:14.240 margin of error, plus eight

00:34:15.720 point advantage for the

00:34:17.040 Republican party.

00:34:17.960 How is that possible?

00:34:19.220 Democrats, how is that

00:34:20.240 possible after all the

00:34:21.420 recession, because after the

00:34:22.660 stock market's been doing

00:34:23.660 all of this, after all the

00:34:25.220 terrorists that our

00:34:25.840 Americans are against and

00:34:26.820 Republicans still hold an

00:34:27.940 eight point lead on the

00:34:28.920 economy.

00:34:29.440 Are you kidding me?

00:34:31.340 I don't think it's that

00:34:32.380 surprising.

00:34:33.200 I just think it's interesting

00:34:34.200 that Democrats have to

00:34:35.400 reckon with this.

00:34:36.180 What do you make of the

00:34:36.840 numbers on Trump support

00:34:38.840 with the economy right now

00:34:39.880 being just as strong as

00:34:41.020 when he got elected?

00:34:42.560 Well, I mean, Harry lets it

00:34:44.480 out.

00:34:44.860 The recession fears, the

00:34:47.000 fear.

00:34:50.960 Did we just lose Ryan?

00:34:54.160 He just dropped.

00:34:55.280 He was about to get to all

00:34:56.400 the nuggets of wisdom.

00:34:58.220 I don't know where he was

00:35:00.160 going with that.

00:35:00.760 We'll take him back here in

00:35:01.860 a second.

00:35:02.840 I don't know.

00:35:03.200 Maybe my comments about

00:35:04.440 Harry Enten somehow have

00:35:06.500 backfired and we are now

00:35:09.320 dealing with the ghost in

00:35:10.980 the machine here that has

00:35:11.880 kicked Ryan off the air.

00:35:12.760 Let me know when we get him

00:35:13.380 back, guys.

00:35:13.980 Got teed him up so well for

00:35:15.080 this.

00:35:15.300 He's about to tell us all

00:35:15.940 about the data.

00:35:16.720 I'm not surprised that Trump

00:35:19.260 is in a better spot or in as

00:35:21.200 strong a spot because he was

00:35:22.200 in a great spot at the time.

00:35:23.720 What is the Democrat message

00:35:25.520 on the economy other than

00:35:27.800 professing or prophesying that

00:35:32.260 there will be, is it

00:35:33.540 prophesying or prophesying?

00:35:35.620 Help me out with that one,

00:35:36.700 team.

00:35:37.220 You know, if I get this wrong,

00:35:39.040 pronunciation police or maybe

00:35:41.520 they're the lexicon, the, you

00:35:43.680 know, the word usage police on

00:35:46.280 this show, man, pronunciation

00:35:47.380 police is rough.

00:35:48.640 They're waiting for you

00:35:49.220 everywhere.

00:35:49.520 They got pronunciation police on

00:35:51.000 the Klan Buck show have speed

00:35:52.220 traps like every two miles.

00:35:54.000 You guys got those mirrored

00:35:55.500 aviators on.

00:35:56.460 I know I know your type.

00:35:57.860 I know what's going on.

00:35:58.480 You pull us over the second

00:36:00.400 you can.

00:36:01.460 But I think that the Democrats

00:36:03.860 claims for how things are

00:36:06.100 going to go poorly and then

00:36:09.500 not go and then they don't go

00:36:11.060 poorly are the primary reason

00:36:13.120 that the numbers are where they

00:36:14.320 are, because they don't even

00:36:15.920 really have a counter message

00:36:18.100 here.

00:36:18.600 They don't even have something

00:36:19.740 to say to point out.

00:36:22.060 OK, Ryan, you are about to

00:36:23.620 share your brilliance with us.

00:36:25.000 Hopefully you have a cell phone

00:36:26.040 that works now.

00:36:27.160 Let's hear what you've got.

00:36:29.920 So, yes, there is.

00:36:31.140 What is the what is the

00:36:32.620 Democrats economic message?

00:36:34.200 I know hating Trump has been

00:36:35.620 their political message, but

00:36:36.660 what is their economic message?

00:36:38.480 What are they focused on?

00:36:39.580 Aside from keeping Medicare

00:36:41.160 spending and Social Security,

00:36:42.380 I don't ever hear of it.

00:36:44.440 And also the voters are

00:36:46.820 against the against the

00:36:48.680 retaliatory efforts of tariffs.

00:36:50.700 They don't want to pay higher

00:36:51.400 prices.

00:36:51.820 That's understandable.

00:36:53.000 But they are for the message of

00:36:54.360 reshoring manufacturing.

00:36:56.400 They were for the efforts of

00:36:57.660 trying to bring back economic

00:36:59.280 patriotism.

00:37:00.060 So they're not against the

00:37:01.740 overall idea of it.

00:37:03.040 They just don't want to pay

00:37:03.660 higher prices.

00:37:04.200 But higher prices didn't come.

00:37:06.280 So, of course, Trump's numbers

00:37:07.440 are not that bad.

00:37:08.780 And also, and I think this is a

00:37:10.140 very big point of why Trump's

00:37:11.540 poll numbers are so high right

00:37:13.100 now.

00:37:13.780 No one is talking about Trump in

00:37:15.340 the media.

00:37:15.820 What are they talking about?

00:37:17.020 They're talking about Biden

00:37:17.900 still.

00:37:18.520 They're talking about his mental

00:37:19.480 health.

00:37:19.800 They're talking about what

00:37:20.240 Democrats lied about.

00:37:21.440 So the Republicans are still

00:37:23.640 getting dividends from the bad

00:37:26.180 governance and the lies of the

00:37:28.140 Democratic Party over Biden's

00:37:29.720 administration.

00:37:30.480 That does matter.

00:37:31.720 And they don't have an

00:37:32.620 alternative.

00:37:32.920 They don't they don't have a

00:37:33.760 leader.

00:37:34.160 They have nothing.

00:37:35.000 I mean, it's AOC running

00:37:36.160 around with our and Gavin

00:37:38.260 Newsom with his podcast.

00:37:39.280 And, you know, what else is

00:37:41.080 there?

00:37:41.840 So I think that they have a lot

00:37:43.020 of problems as far as just

00:37:44.260 what is their message.

00:37:45.260 I don't know what the

00:37:45.880 alternative is.

00:37:47.060 Now, we'll get into because you

00:37:48.920 you sat down with or did an

00:37:51.580 interview, right, with Alex

00:37:53.080 Thompson and Tapper or just

00:37:54.960 Alex Thompson.

00:37:55.820 Just Alex Thompson.

00:37:57.640 Yeah.

00:37:58.040 Oh, OK.

00:37:58.900 I actually that actually I would

00:38:00.020 have been more amenable to

00:38:00.860 myself than having to, you

00:38:02.300 know, listen to Tapper's

00:38:03.200 nonsense.

00:38:03.660 But we'll get to that in a

00:38:05.460 second.

00:38:06.240 First, that is more of of

00:38:08.680 poor man's Gerdusky, Harry

00:38:09.980 Enten talking about who looks

00:38:12.560 out.

00:38:12.880 I mean, because this is if

00:38:13.860 you're a Democrat and you've

00:38:15.100 bought into the Democrat

00:38:15.940 messaging for a long time or

00:38:18.100 maybe you've been a purveyor of

00:38:19.220 the Democrat messaging, their

00:38:21.100 whole thing is this make

00:38:21.980 believe that they're the ones

00:38:22.920 that care about the middle

00:38:23.540 class.

00:38:24.420 Here's the latest on the

00:38:26.060 numbers when it comes to

00:38:27.160 middle class and looking out

00:38:28.960 for them.

00:38:29.360 This is cut 20.

00:38:30.120 Play it.

00:38:31.640 Which is the party of the

00:38:32.580 middle class has been a huge

00:38:33.860 advantage for Democrats.

00:38:35.020 I have polling from NBC going

00:38:36.340 all the way back since 1989

00:38:37.700 when Democrats had a 23 point

00:38:39.560 advantage, 2016, a 17 point

00:38:41.560 advantage.

00:38:41.900 But by this decade, we already

00:38:43.480 started seeing declines back in

00:38:45.060 2022 where you saw that

00:38:46.720 Democrats led, but only by

00:38:48.180 four points, well within the

00:38:49.420 margin of error.

00:38:50.340 And now in our latest CNN poll

00:38:51.760 among registered voters, which

00:38:53.300 is the party of the middle

00:38:54.080 class, it is tied.

00:38:55.540 This, I think, speaks to

00:38:56.620 Democratic ills more than

00:38:57.720 anything else.

00:38:58.480 They have traditionally been the

00:38:59.920 party of the middle class.

00:39:01.220 No more.

00:39:02.160 Donald Trump and the Republican

00:39:03.100 Party have taken that mantle

00:39:04.260 away.

00:39:04.760 And now a key advantage for

00:39:06.360 Democrats historically has gone

00:39:07.700 adios amigos.

00:39:08.740 And now there is no party that

00:39:10.060 is the party of the middle

00:39:10.800 class.

00:39:11.180 Republicans have

00:39:11.840 completely closed the gap.

00:39:12.940 And Ryan, what do you make of

00:39:14.520 that?

00:39:14.780 Because that's got to be, you

00:39:16.160 know, given the election they

00:39:17.660 just had, the fact that they've

00:39:19.120 also got to contend with this in

00:39:20.600 a broader messaging sense, rough

00:39:22.520 days for the Democrats.

00:39:24.720 Yeah, they're having this and

00:39:25.680 they're going through it.

00:39:26.740 And they but they're very

00:39:28.480 publicly admitting that they're

00:39:30.040 going through it right now.

00:39:31.480 They can't admit to the fact that

00:39:32.840 they lied that Biden's health was

00:39:34.420 so bad.

00:39:35.200 They can't find a leader and

00:39:37.140 their only message is I hate

00:39:39.080 Donald Trump.

00:39:39.580 And maybe that'll be enough to

00:39:41.180 win them back to the House.

00:39:42.560 But overall, that long term

00:39:44.500 vision, there is none.

00:39:47.240 It's it's remarkable that this is

00:39:48.880 the situation they find

00:39:49.800 themselves in and that they've

00:39:51.540 had so little introspection.

00:39:52.760 I mean, they still have things

00:39:54.140 like Gavin Newsom's California

00:39:55.860 pretending that having a guy

00:39:58.260 beat all the girls in the state

00:39:59.480 champion track meet that this is

00:40:00.860 not like this makes their party

00:40:02.520 look crazy that they can keep

00:40:04.000 pretending otherwise.

00:40:05.180 But to 80 percent of the country,

00:40:07.520 even people that vote Democrat,

00:40:08.840 80 percent of the country look at

00:40:10.720 some guy who now wants to be

00:40:12.120 called a B who's beating all these

00:40:13.520 girls in a track meet and says

00:40:14.760 there's something wrong

00:40:17.140 with these Democrats.

00:40:19.260 But to that end, though, also on

00:40:20.980 the Biden stuff and

00:40:22.720 and the so you you talk

00:40:25.060 to Alex Thompson has got this book

00:40:26.460 out now.

00:40:27.520 And, you know, we've talked about,

00:40:28.780 you know, Tapper particularly with

00:40:29.960 it. By the way, I think

00:40:31.060 that it should have been Thompson

00:40:32.520 solo.

00:40:34.020 I would have been far more open.

00:40:35.480 Well, my this is what I think.

00:40:37.160 And he didn't say this, but this

00:40:38.400 is what I think when you write a

00:40:39.720 book and you don't have a big

00:40:40.700 name. When I wrote my one, I

00:40:42.020 wrote my book.

00:40:42.600 I had like no social media

00:40:43.860 following.

00:40:44.440 And they said to me, if you can

00:40:46.420 get someone with the name,

00:40:47.960 we'll publish your book.

00:40:49.400 That's what the publishers told

00:40:50.820 me when I wrote my book.

00:40:52.160 I think the same thing probably

00:40:53.740 happened. Alex Thompson.

00:40:55.180 I think that he was told if you

00:40:57.080 can get a name, we'll publish

00:40:58.840 your book.

00:41:00.020 And I mean, he should have he

00:41:01.480 should have gone with Wolf Blitzer

00:41:02.680 or somebody who's considered a

00:41:04.040 little bit more of a neutral.

00:41:05.040 Well, you will know, but nobody

00:41:06.860 would think that Wolf Blitzer

00:41:07.800 wrote a word of it.

00:41:08.680 I don't know if they think Jake

00:41:09.400 Tapper wrote a word of it

00:41:10.220 either, but definitely not

00:41:10.980 Blitzer.

00:41:11.800 You know, that guy, he looks

00:41:13.160 about as confused as Biden

00:41:14.400 sometimes, just being honest.

00:41:16.140 But he's been going for 40

00:41:17.940 years on air.

00:41:19.000 So, I mean, he's done his time.

00:41:21.440 Yeah, he's done his time for

00:41:22.400 sure.

00:41:22.680 But OK, so you sat down with

00:41:23.960 Thompson, this book, Original Sin

00:41:25.360 that's out there.

00:41:26.580 What did you gather from it that

00:41:28.800 was interesting?

00:41:29.700 Like, we already know.

00:41:30.620 Yes, they all, you know, they

00:41:32.080 missed all the stuff about

00:41:32.860 Biden.

00:41:33.160 What was insightful?

00:41:34.620 And anyone wants to hear the

00:41:35.420 interview, it's on the it's a

00:41:37.320 numbers game, Clay and Buck

00:41:38.360 podcast network.

00:41:39.160 Go subscribe to Clay and Buck

00:41:40.300 show and it'll be right in your

00:41:41.400 feed.

00:41:42.220 But Ryan, what did you what did

00:41:44.780 you learn from it that was

00:41:45.580 interesting or where'd you get

00:41:46.640 into that was worth talking

00:41:47.820 about?

00:41:48.900 Well, one, the fact that Mrs.

00:41:51.060 Biden, Jill Biden was I did not

00:41:53.240 know that she was a school

00:41:54.460 teacher, a professor the entire

00:41:56.100 time she was second lady of the

00:41:57.500 United States.

00:41:58.060 she taught at a community

00:41:59.480 college and apparently she hated

00:42:01.100 being a politician spouse, which

00:42:03.540 is not unoriginal because a lot

00:42:05.660 of people hate being politician

00:42:06.780 spouses.

00:42:08.000 But the fact that she went from

00:42:10.200 doing that to being one of the

00:42:11.720 most powerful for second first

00:42:13.580 ladies in American history and

00:42:15.880 essentially running large

00:42:17.520 portions and being the one who

00:42:18.860 say, no, Joe, you can't drop

00:42:20.180 out her transformation.

00:42:21.900 I think it's fascinating.

00:42:23.320 I asked him specifically about

00:42:25.120 how much it went into why how

00:42:28.000 much was considered the fact

00:42:29.160 that the Biden family needed

00:42:30.960 Joe.

00:42:31.720 And I I put the idea up there

00:42:33.640 was both supposed to have

00:42:36.100 Bo lived, which is always the

00:42:37.580 essential question of the Biden

00:42:39.000 legacy and the Biden family

00:42:40.980 have Bo lived.

00:42:42.600 Was he supposed to be the

00:42:43.800 politician to grant them access

00:42:45.460 so that they continue to live

00:42:48.300 with a lot of economic, you know,

00:42:50.880 flourishment and millions of

00:42:52.060 dollars coming in because

00:42:53.580 that's how that entire family

00:42:55.480 makes money.

00:42:56.400 It's political connection.

00:42:58.520 Did Joe have to do this because

00:43:00.160 he needed to bring money in?

00:43:01.380 And apparently now there's

00:43:02.560 reporting that the Bidens are

00:43:03.820 basically broke, that they

00:43:05.480 that they want Joe out there

00:43:07.380 more because they need a way to

00:43:09.260 make money.

00:43:10.040 They can't do it.

00:43:11.480 You know, I don't know, other

00:43:13.460 other ways.

00:43:14.340 So was that the entire premise

00:43:16.880 of why Joe had to run from the

00:43:18.980 family's perspective is they

00:43:20.180 needed millions to come in

00:43:22.080 every year.

00:43:23.140 They didn't want a Clinton

00:43:24.000 Foundation situation where all

00:43:25.480 of a sudden all the money's just

00:43:26.780 gone and dried up and they have

00:43:28.400 to pay for everyone because they

00:43:29.960 pay for the grandkids.

00:43:30.860 They pay for the cousins, the

00:43:32.160 brothers.

00:43:33.020 Everyone lives off the Biden

00:43:34.600 teeth.

00:43:35.580 So that was a big, big part of it.

00:43:37.560 Also with the book, the people who

00:43:39.660 even after the debate had come out

00:43:42.580 and said, no, Biden's our ticket.

00:43:44.500 John Fetterman screamed at every

00:43:47.840 Democratic, they had a big meeting

00:43:49.720 with Democratic senators and they

00:43:50.780 said, who is still with Biden?

00:43:52.480 Every one but three said no.

00:43:54.500 And Fetterman got up and started

00:43:56.280 screaming and saying, how effing

00:43:57.960 dare you betray our great president

00:43:59.900 like this?

00:44:00.680 And he was the only one in the room

00:44:03.740 still defending Joe Biden, even

00:44:06.240 with the poll numbers bad, even with

00:44:07.860 everything.

00:44:08.440 So I thought that was fascinating,

00:44:09.880 which alliances remain close to Joe

00:44:12.080 long afterwards.

00:44:13.860 Now, I mean, I have to, first of all,

00:44:15.560 Ryan, that is really interesting.

00:44:17.160 And I hadn't heard that.

00:44:18.060 And that's that's something that

00:44:19.540 should should certainly be better

00:44:20.840 known.

00:44:21.880 Fetterman has been getting a lot of

00:44:23.240 credit because of the stuff he says

00:44:24.420 on Israel from people on the right.

00:44:26.800 And I mean, I don't know how to say

00:44:28.320 this.

00:44:28.520 Do you think Fetterman just took a

00:44:29.580 person that people were saying the

00:44:30.880 guy's brain didn't work because of

00:44:32.120 his own stuff?

00:44:32.860 Or why would Fetterman it?

00:44:34.920 So it was just he just took that

00:44:35.940 personally.

00:44:37.100 Yes, I think that that's I think

00:44:38.260 that's exactly what it was.

00:44:39.520 I think Fetterman said, you know, if you

00:44:41.640 were to judge everybody by how their

00:44:42.940 brain operates allegedly, then I

00:44:45.240 wouldn't be here.

00:44:46.860 But to be the most vocal and curse

00:44:49.820 out your I mean, he cursed out

00:44:51.580 Chuck Schumer.

00:44:52.140 He cursed out everybody that you

00:44:53.620 betrayed him, that you betrayed Joe

00:44:55.180 Biden.

00:44:56.340 And he was the only one in the room.

00:44:57.660 He stood by himself.

00:44:58.460 So I give him credit for that.

00:45:00.020 But it was an explosive scene.

00:45:02.240 So he talked to Alex Thompson about

00:45:03.380 that, which I thought was fascinating

00:45:04.860 how he was the sole voice to stand

00:45:07.640 with Biden when they said, hey, you're

00:45:09.080 going to lose New Jersey.

00:45:10.440 Fetterman said we ride with him till

00:45:12.060 the very end.

00:45:13.440 And everyone else at that point was

00:45:15.020 trying to, you know, get him to drop

00:45:16.760 out.

00:45:17.180 So that was really interesting.

00:45:18.860 I think it's fascinating that right

00:45:20.460 now, Joe Biden's team is still leaking

00:45:22.500 information before this came out

00:45:24.200 yesterday.

00:45:24.980 Before the debate, Biden had a

00:45:27.760 one point five percent lead in

00:45:29.480 Minnesota and Virginia.

00:45:31.140 That was before the debate.

00:45:32.400 Had Biden been on the ticket, it would

00:45:34.340 have been, you know, not 1984

00:45:36.440 landslide, but 1988 landslide.

00:45:38.720 It would have been a serious

00:45:39.840 contention where New York and

00:45:41.160 Illinois would have been in close

00:45:42.340 single digits and New Jersey would

00:45:44.620 have just been gone.

00:45:46.220 So I don't I don't I think that

00:45:48.520 right now they're rather than looking

00:45:50.280 for a leader, looking for a mess,

00:45:51.840 looking for something.

00:45:53.200 They're still kind of there and

00:45:54.800 blaming each other and who gets to

00:45:56.640 inherit the throne of a

00:45:58.120 of a dead party.

00:46:00.080 That's fascinating.

00:46:00.940 But I will say one thing.

00:46:02.480 I think if they did a poll, they

00:46:04.200 did a study, Democrats did.

00:46:05.560 What is the message

00:46:07.040 going forward?

00:46:08.120 Ezra Klein has this stupid book out

00:46:10.160 about abundance and all this

00:46:11.260 rest of it didn't respond at all.

00:46:12.640 Voters didn't care.

00:46:13.320 They still want a populist message.

00:46:15.400 I think if I was advising a

00:46:17.120 Democrat what they would be doing,

00:46:18.880 there's big the big, beautiful bill

00:46:20.900 that's coming out.

00:46:21.640 There is a provision in it that

00:46:23.440 forbids states to sit there and

00:46:25.360 enforce a I

00:46:26.780 technology, any any enforcement, a I

00:46:29.400 reforms,

00:46:30.500 any I development, anything.

00:46:33.780 I prevent states from even doing

00:46:34.960 enacting any of that or any

00:46:36.040 protections from A.I.

00:46:37.360 That's what they should be jumping

00:46:38.920 on right now, because that's where

00:46:40.560 the fears are.

00:46:41.260 That's my next episode.

00:46:42.060 The podcast comes on Thursday on a

00:46:43.860 numbers game is about the genuine

00:46:45.800 fears of A.I. and job loss.

00:46:47.620 And the populist backlash from that

00:46:49.120 will be as severe, if not more

00:46:51.240 severe, than immigration itself.

00:46:53.520 That's really interesting.

00:46:54.280 Go check out.

00:46:55.060 It's a numbers game on the

00:46:56.780 Clay Buck podcast network.

00:46:57.880 Ryan Gerdusky is the host.

00:46:59.640 Ryan, before I let you go, quick

00:47:00.660 one, kind of a lightning round

00:47:01.700 question here.

00:47:03.020 Who's the most powerful Democrat in

00:47:04.420 America right now?

00:47:06.020 A.I.

00:47:06.240 A.I.

00:47:06.480 and Bernie Sanders.

00:47:07.040 Bernie Sanders, number one, and

00:47:08.100 then A.I.

00:47:08.440 is number two.

00:47:09.320 Wow.

00:47:10.300 Bernie Sanders and A.I.

00:47:11.280 Bernie's number one, for sure.

00:47:12.820 All right.

00:47:13.420 Ryan Gerdusky, always insightful.

00:47:15.040 Good to have you on, my friend.

00:47:15.920 Thank you.

00:47:16.620 Thank you.

00:47:17.280 Bye.

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00:49:19.320 Got a ton of calls.

00:49:20.820 I knew that last segment would

00:49:21.960 get some of you fired up.

00:49:23.360 So, you know, you know,

00:49:24.840 sometimes I got to poke you a

00:49:26.000 little bit.

00:49:26.440 Sometimes the buckster just has

00:49:29.520 to be like, you know what?

00:49:30.620 We're getting a little too

00:49:31.420 chummy around here.

00:49:32.140 I want to fight.

00:49:33.160 That's what happens with

00:49:34.000 Ginger sometimes.

00:49:34.980 She's so cute.

00:49:36.080 I miss her.

00:49:36.580 She's at a doggy camp today

00:49:38.580 because we're traveling.

00:49:39.940 But it's a lovely camp.

00:49:40.900 She's like playing with golden

00:49:41.800 retrievers and pugs.

00:49:42.820 It's very nice.

00:49:43.880 She has a good time.

00:49:44.660 When we go to pick her up,

00:49:45.580 she's like, I don't even know

00:49:46.180 who you are anymore.

00:49:47.700 But she comes over and she gets

00:49:49.620 all like nice and snuggly.

00:49:51.620 And then she kind of looks at me

00:49:53.160 and I'm like, oh, oh, it's on.

00:49:54.640 And then she wants to, you know,

00:49:55.560 and she wants to like jump all

00:49:57.100 over me and like that.

00:49:58.480 So sometimes, you know, you get a

00:49:59.800 little chummy.

00:50:00.220 You got to throw down a little

00:50:01.020 bit.

00:50:01.240 So some of you are a little

00:50:03.320 frustrated over the comments on

00:50:05.000 how to fix the debt.

00:50:06.580 I'm just I'm just telling you

00:50:07.660 the numbers.

00:50:08.160 I don't even have much of a much

00:50:09.540 of a dog in this fight, so to

00:50:10.860 speak.

00:50:11.380 Well, I do because America and I

00:50:12.840 don't want it to collapse.

00:50:13.580 But it's going to be a while

00:50:14.640 before I'm getting Medicare

00:50:17.260 or Social Security.

00:50:19.360 And I know we're going to have

00:50:20.600 to go over some of these things

00:50:21.500 like, no, it doesn't mean people

00:50:23.220 don't get Medicare who are

00:50:24.380 on Medicare now.

00:50:25.080 No, it doesn't mean that if

00:50:26.280 you're supposed to get Social

00:50:27.360 Security, you know, starting in

00:50:29.060 five years that all of a sudden

00:50:30.200 you're going to get like a

00:50:30.940 fraction of.

00:50:31.480 It means that, you know, if

00:50:33.600 you're a prime working age

00:50:35.280 now, we could start to set up

00:50:37.300 different programs and we could

00:50:38.920 start to prepare people for

00:50:40.500 means testing and, you know,

00:50:42.640 and change.

00:50:44.200 Like, there are ways to fix this

00:50:46.400 thing that don't hurt people

00:50:49.560 who were promised and paid in

00:50:51.580 good faith and are on it or about

00:50:53.520 to be on it.

00:50:54.200 But if you're 25, it's not going

00:50:57.060 to work for you to say, oh, well,

00:50:59.600 from age 65 to 100, because that's

00:51:02.800 how long people are going to start

00:51:04.140 to live, by the way.

00:51:05.760 I'm just going to get paid this or

00:51:07.440 I'm going to have everything paid

00:51:08.240 by the government.

00:51:09.040 It's going to have to change at

00:51:10.160 some point.

00:51:10.700 So I just I want to be clear.

00:51:12.860 You know, my dad's, you know, he

00:51:14.820 gets Social Security, right?

00:51:16.420 I he deserves it.

00:51:17.800 No one's touching anyone's

00:51:19.100 Social Security that's getting it

00:51:20.280 now.

00:51:20.580 No one's touching anyone's

00:51:21.360 Medicare is getting it now.

00:51:22.300 Now, the change would come over

00:51:24.660 a 10 year horizon, a budget set

00:51:27.280 in place now that makes some of

00:51:29.120 the switches necessary to allow

00:51:33.220 us to be on a sound fiscal

00:51:34.760 foot or just don't we just let

00:51:36.140 just, you know, Thelma and

00:51:36.980 Louise, baby, let's hit the

00:51:38.160 accelerator and let's just take

00:51:39.780 this guy off a cliff.

00:51:40.900 Let's just go.

00:51:41.940 You know what I mean?

00:51:42.340 We'll hold each other's hands.

00:51:44.280 We'll look at each other and

00:51:45.140 we'll just take this thing off

00:51:46.140 the cliff together.

00:51:47.400 It was fun while it lasted,

00:51:48.740 America.

00:51:50.120 Jay in Ohio.

00:51:51.420 Here we go.

00:51:51.980 Six months from turning 65.

00:51:53.880 What's going on, Jay?

00:51:55.700 Well, yeah, you don't have to

00:51:56.880 poke me.

00:51:57.320 The government's doing that

00:51:58.160 well enough already.

00:51:59.800 Yes, I'm months away from being

00:52:02.220 forced onto Medicare and I don't

00:52:05.380 want to.

00:52:06.100 I want to take care of it myself,

00:52:07.860 but I am not allowed.

00:52:09.260 If I don't enroll for Medicare,

00:52:12.440 they'll penalize me anyway.

00:52:14.380 What kind of a perverse system is

00:52:16.060 that?

00:52:16.640 So, you know, Mr.

00:52:17.360 President, Mr.

00:52:18.400 Vice President, if you're

00:52:19.460 listening, this grow our way out

00:52:21.520 of the debt isn't going to

00:52:24.360 happen.

00:52:24.840 It's about force.

00:52:25.920 And the other thing is the

00:52:27.160 insurance industry, and I'm

00:52:29.060 wired about this, the insurance

00:52:30.440 industry loves the concept of

00:52:32.100 Medicare because they can

00:52:33.100 offload all the old schmucks like

00:52:35.000 me and the government will take

00:52:36.920 care of us, quote unquote.

00:52:38.240 It's all about force.

00:52:39.520 I don't have any freedom.

00:52:40.840 I want the freedom to not enroll in

00:52:42.740 Medicare.

00:52:43.280 And I don't have that at this point.

00:52:44.940 And it's infuriating.

00:52:46.400 Jay, you're spot on and an

00:52:48.600 excellent call.

00:52:49.480 And you're seeing this with clear

00:52:50.720 eyes.

00:52:51.440 Full hearts can't lose.

00:52:52.640 And thank you for thank you for

00:52:54.340 the call.

00:52:54.620 Thanks for being in.

00:52:55.200 Look, it's a mess, everybody.

00:52:56.360 It's a mess.

00:52:56.920 Elon knows it's a mess.

00:52:58.720 All he does is look at balance

00:53:00.400 sheets and look at, you know,

00:53:01.760 projections based on numbers into

00:53:04.240 the future and figure out how to

00:53:06.460 fix things.

00:53:07.360 And he told us we got to fix this

00:53:09.060 and we're not fixing it.

00:53:10.460 And he just said that.

00:53:11.820 And he said that people that are

00:53:12.880 voting for this should be ashamed,

00:53:14.140 ashamed on the Republican side.

00:53:16.680 I don't know.

00:53:16.920 Just what Elon's saying.

00:53:18.700 So he's a smart guy.

00:53:21.680 I think that's putting it mildly.

00:53:23.300 Michael in Oswego, New York.

00:53:26.400 What's going on, Mike?

00:53:28.540 Hi, Buck.

00:53:29.580 Second time caller.

00:53:32.500 Apparently you had fun the first

00:53:33.720 time.

00:53:34.000 So that's good news.

00:53:35.000 I sure did.

00:53:36.380 I listen to you guys every day.

00:53:37.940 Thank you.

00:53:38.480 Anyway, I was calling to jump back

00:53:40.960 to the segment about income taxes.

00:53:42.820 Um, and I told the guy that I first

00:53:46.280 talked to, I said, you know, well,

00:53:48.120 anyway, my mother and father were

00:53:50.120 both teachers, you know, um, high

00:53:53.400 school and junior high.

00:53:55.320 Sure.

00:53:56.620 So, I mean, when I needed help with

00:53:59.720 my homework and that, you know, my

00:54:02.360 mother was a specialist in history.

00:54:04.360 She's still after she retired.

00:54:06.120 So I got a lot of that, but to my

00:54:08.940 memory, um, didn't FDR Institute

00:54:12.940 income taxes at the time that world

00:54:16.740 war two with the U S was imminent, or

00:54:20.320 we had already gone into the war and

00:54:22.840 they've been to get more money to

00:54:25.480 hire people and build the bombs and

00:54:27.780 all that, the planes.

00:54:28.840 And it was never supposed to be a

00:54:31.340 permanent thing.

00:54:33.460 Now that's what I remember reading in

00:54:35.520 history.

00:54:35.900 Now, I don't know if that's true.

00:54:38.020 I mean, you're making, well, the

00:54:39.040 first, the first income tax was

00:54:40.620 actually back in, it was the revenue

00:54:42.420 act of 1861 to fund the civil war.

00:54:44.960 So it is war.

00:54:45.840 So if you're, if you're thinking about

00:54:47.300 it in this context, it was wars that

00:54:49.620 got us to, uh, or a major war that

00:54:51.780 got us to a tax in the first place.

00:54:53.560 Um, but the federal income tax then

00:54:56.160 kind of disappeared.

00:54:57.560 It comes back in 1894 with the

00:54:59.980 Wilson, uh, tariff act, 2% tax on

00:55:02.800 incomes over $4,000, but the modern

00:55:05.440 federal income tax is the 16th

00:55:07.240 amendment, 1913.

00:55:08.920 So the history of taxation, I mean, I

00:55:11.400 think what you're raising here is

00:55:12.380 interesting, uh, Michael, thank you

00:55:13.540 for calling in the history of

00:55:14.900 taxation is one of, uh, your fits and

00:55:19.440 starts or, uh, you know, two steps

00:55:21.740 forward, one step back.

00:55:23.560 And, but once they got us with the

00:55:25.300 16th amendment, then, uh, that was

00:55:27.540 rough.

00:55:28.740 That was rough.

00:55:29.880 That was when the bad things

00:55:31.080 started.

00:55:31.400 That was when the bad stuff with the

00:55:33.000 taxes started to happen.

00:55:34.620 I mean, it, you know, it bums me

00:55:35.900 out.

00:55:36.080 I'll tell you this now that I live in

00:55:37.340 a zero state income tax place, it's

00:55:40.660 just unthinkable to go back to one of

00:55:42.440 these super high tax dates like New

00:55:44.020 York or California, uh, because you're

00:55:46.760 just, you're paying so much more of

00:55:48.880 the money you work for and getting

00:55:50.300 nothing additional, you're, you're

00:55:51.500 getting nothing.

00:55:52.060 In fact, I would argue that the

00:55:53.680 services that I get in South Florida,

00:55:55.600 um, uh, from, you know, on, on a

00:55:59.160 whole range of things, uh, is better

00:56:02.180 than what I was getting in New York

00:56:03.160 city.

00:56:04.120 And so with that, you say, well, why

00:56:06.940 am I paying more?

00:56:07.780 It's just because Democrats have bad

00:56:08.920 ideas and they're in charge.

00:56:10.580 And so they just take more of your

00:56:11.940 money.

00:56:12.560 Um, I wish that we, we, you know,

00:56:14.580 the notion that we have all these

00:56:15.700 states where you have state income

00:56:17.280 tax, some of which tax you by the day.

00:56:20.960 I, I was, I was have this thing where

00:56:22.940 I tell people this, I think Utah is one

00:56:24.680 of them, but Utah, what is going on

00:56:26.300 with you, Utah, a lot of great stuff

00:56:28.740 about Utah, beautiful state, lovely

00:56:30.700 people.

00:56:31.540 But I think you get taxed by the day

00:56:33.920 you work there.

00:56:34.920 Cause I, I think I had to pay like, you

00:56:36.820 know, $50 to the state of Utah once.

00:56:38.880 And I had to have like a little, um,

00:56:40.900 you guys would, we have a huge audience

00:56:42.280 in Salt Lake city.

00:56:42.900 You know what I'm talking about?

00:56:44.220 Um, I, I think that, uh, definitely

00:56:47.680 New York per day.

00:56:49.840 You are taxed in New York city.

00:56:51.320 If you work, right.

00:56:52.540 If you're there with your family over

00:56:53.660 a weekend on vacation, of course, you

00:56:55.020 don't know, but if you're there and,

00:56:57.800 and, you know, you fly into New York

00:56:59.140 and you do work out of your New York

00:57:00.880 office or something, they can tax you

00:57:02.760 for that day and every day that you're

00:57:04.860 there.

00:57:05.820 So you just feel like, all right, well

00:57:08.400 that's pretty annoying.

00:57:10.280 You don't want more of that.

00:57:11.200 Jack in Ohio wants to weigh in.

00:57:13.140 What's going on, Jack?

00:57:14.860 Hey, happy anniversary a week ahead

00:57:16.820 of time.

00:57:17.820 Uh, real quick.

00:57:18.880 Just want to talk about, uh, like

00:57:21.260 what the, you, you mean the clay and

00:57:22.600 buck anniversary, right?

00:57:23.620 Cause like the carry and buck

00:57:24.840 anniversary of getting married was

00:57:26.080 back in February.

00:57:27.360 Just making sure I'm like, I have to

00:57:29.040 get my wife a gift.

00:57:29.860 Uh-oh.

00:57:31.280 No, not again.

00:57:32.960 If you want to stay in good graces.

00:57:34.680 Yeah.

00:57:34.840 Uh, my major concern, okay.

00:57:37.180 And Carolyn Lovett just even announced

00:57:39.340 it, you know, on a clip that you

00:57:40.700 just played where she was talking

00:57:42.720 about, um, what Trump inherited.

00:57:45.420 Okay.

00:57:45.820 From the Biden Harris regime.

00:57:48.380 Okay.

00:57:49.160 My point is Biden and Harris in

00:57:52.300 Mallorca.

00:57:52.900 Okay.

00:57:53.420 Who caused a great problem with the

00:57:55.320 immigration.

00:57:56.160 Okay.

00:57:56.560 Are not running for office.

00:57:58.360 Yes.

00:57:59.000 We need to hang this on them.

00:58:00.800 Okay.

00:58:01.260 However, there are 260 Democrats, okay.

00:58:05.360 In Congress right now.

00:58:06.820 And I can't remember hearing any one

00:58:09.160 of them, maybe except Fetterman talking

00:58:11.480 about the problem.

00:58:12.980 Okay.

00:58:13.320 Of immigration.

00:58:14.760 And I'm looking at the midterms.

00:58:17.360 Okay.

00:58:17.760 That's right around the corner.

00:58:18.980 And I would like to hear the media talk

00:58:21.880 about all of the Democrats who've been

00:58:24.320 sitting on their hands and they're going

00:58:26.400 to be up for reelection and let's not

00:58:28.800 forget them.

00:58:29.760 Biden and Harris, they're not running

00:58:31.500 again.

00:58:32.500 So, and you even have the down ticket.

00:58:35.320 Okay.

00:58:35.700 Which goes to state and local.

00:58:37.700 So I would like to hear more about all

00:58:40.760 the Democrats.

00:58:41.500 We have somebody here in our office.

00:58:44.220 Okay.

00:58:45.080 In Ohio, where she's been in office 40

00:58:47.940 years as a Congresswoman.

00:58:50.520 And she goes, she votes 90, 95% of the

00:58:53.860 time, right along with the ticket.

00:58:55.620 Okay.

00:58:56.060 A few things.

00:58:56.520 Thank you, Jack.

00:58:57.220 Thank you, Jack in Ohio.

00:58:58.180 A couple of things on what you're saying.

00:58:59.520 One is you'll be a lot more talk about

00:59:01.420 this as we get closer to the midterm.

00:59:02.920 So this is your, you're right now calling

00:59:05.260 in at the, um, the absolute low point,

00:59:09.160 I think of a political midterm

00:59:12.080 conversation.

00:59:12.760 June after a presidential election is,

00:59:16.320 is when you're going to hear probably

00:59:18.180 the least, uh, well, I mean, right

00:59:20.540 after an election, maybe, but I'm

00:59:21.900 just, there's so much talk about

00:59:23.360 politics in general, that'll be going

00:59:24.560 on and all the thinking about the

00:59:26.460 last election.

00:59:27.480 But as we get into, uh, certainly the

00:59:30.260 beginning of next year and then into

00:59:31.760 next summer, you're going to have a

00:59:33.020 lot of talk about all, and we're going

00:59:34.240 to be talking about them on this show.

00:59:35.540 So that's part one.

00:59:36.720 Part two is the reason the Biden

00:59:39.500 revelations matter, uh, is that it's

00:59:42.740 goes to one, the fact that more, more

00:59:46.500 people than ever should wake up to the

00:59:49.140 fact that the media is the corporate

00:59:51.520 Democrat media lies and has no integrity

00:59:54.640 whatsoever.

00:59:55.420 That CNN as an entity has no integrity.

00:59:58.840 The people who call themselves

01:00:00.760 journalists are not journalists.

01:00:03.480 They are propagandists.

01:00:04.600 And I know that you all know that, but we

01:00:08.020 need not 51%, but 54% of the country to

01:00:12.100 know that.

01:00:12.620 And maybe 57% of the country.

01:00:14.580 Now, you know, this is, this is why I

01:00:17.080 think it does matter, uh, because they've

01:00:19.320 relied on a media industrial complex for a

01:00:22.740 long time to do their heavy lifting for

01:00:25.220 them as Democrats.

01:00:26.080 And we want to make that harder.

01:00:27.820 And they all lied about Biden and we caught

01:00:30.000 them and we know, and now they're trying to

01:00:32.140 wriggle out of any kind of accountability.

01:00:33.820 So I don't think it's just a, uh, kind of

01:00:37.380 like a parlor game here that we on the

01:00:39.060 right are playing.

01:00:39.660 I think there is real meaning to it.

01:00:41.940 And also just shows you that how ruthless

01:00:43.520 the Democrats are.

01:00:44.780 I mean, you should all know every day there

01:00:47.120 was, there was a right choice and a wrong

01:00:49.340 choice in this last election.

01:00:50.900 And if you voted for Trump, you made the

01:00:52.380 right choice.

01:00:53.040 That's it.

01:00:54.400 That's it.

01:00:55.480 Uh, you know, there, there's no, there's

01:00:56.840 no other way around it.

01:00:57.780 I, you know, I, I, I view that as, as

01:01:00.240 clear as day.

01:01:01.700 Um, let's take, uh, here we go.

01:01:04.220 Gigi, Dave from North Carolina listens

01:01:05.980 on WPTI play it.

01:01:10.240 Please.

01:01:10.680 So, but, uh, Dave from North Carolina,

01:01:13.820 retired Navy, I'm turning 70, limited

01:01:17.420 income.

01:01:18.540 You guys get rid of Medicare, social

01:01:20.820 security, the thing that I have to

01:01:23.240 support me for my last 10 years.

01:01:25.540 What the hell am I supposed to do if

01:01:27.420 you change the system?

01:01:29.080 Uh, nobody has an answer.

01:01:31.400 Well, Dave, the, the way the, the

01:01:34.260 answer is you don't change it for

01:01:36.680 people who are on it right now.

01:01:38.800 That would be wrong.

01:01:40.400 That would be unfair.

01:01:42.280 You made your plans and you paid your

01:01:44.860 taxes and you did your planning with

01:01:47.620 the belief that it would be there for

01:01:49.280 you.

01:01:50.180 That is a covenant that the state, so

01:01:53.560 to speak, the big S state, right?

01:01:54.960 That the, that the government has

01:01:56.480 made with you.

01:01:57.980 You're not going to, you know,

01:01:59.240 that's not what anybody who talks

01:02:01.780 about reforming the system in a

01:02:03.760 serious way, but see what they hope.

01:02:05.920 And this is what Democrats will do is

01:02:07.640 that they want, they want the reaction

01:02:09.220 from Dave.

01:02:09.700 Oh, they're going to take away your

01:02:10.700 social security.

01:02:11.320 Oh, they're going to take away your

01:02:12.220 Medicare.

01:02:13.040 Now vote in the communists, you know?

01:02:16.780 No, it's not about taking it away

01:02:19.360 from people who have it now.

01:02:20.540 It's about looking back with, with the

01:02:23.960 numbers in front of you, where can we

01:02:26.560 begin to create changes here and off ramp

01:02:29.940 so that people have plenty of time and

01:02:32.260 plenty of notice for their financial

01:02:34.180 future that, you know, there's going to

01:02:36.220 be means testing for Medicare.

01:02:38.240 If you're, you know, a very wealthy

01:02:39.840 person, you're not going to get Medicare

01:02:41.880 or you'll get some, you know, different

01:02:43.280 level of Medicare.

01:02:44.280 There's going to be a raise in the

01:02:45.580 retirement age.

01:02:47.140 That's not fair if you're 64, but if

01:02:50.040 you're my age and you're told, you know

01:02:51.940 what, you're going to, you're not going

01:02:53.100 to retire at 65, you're going to retire

01:02:54.360 at 67.

01:02:55.840 You know, that's something, that's

01:02:58.140 something that I think my generation

01:02:59.880 should just say, you know what, we're

01:03:02.160 going to live longer than the generation

01:03:03.460 before us on average.

01:03:05.140 So I think it's fair that we actually

01:03:07.220 start a little later in retirement, you

01:03:08.960 know, a year or two.

01:03:10.080 These are the things that we're talking

01:03:11.780 about, but see, it upsets people and

01:03:14.340 they don't want to hear it.

01:03:15.220 And they get told the fear-mongering

01:03:16.940 and say, all right, look, we go full

01:03:19.120 Thelma and Louise.

01:03:20.040 We're in the convertible.

01:03:21.520 Let's take it off the cliff.

01:03:22.820 Let's spend ourselves into a big fireball

01:03:25.340 at the bottom, you know, and let AOC

01:03:28.520 and Bernie Sanders stare at us over the

01:03:31.200 cliff like, no, we're in charge.

01:03:33.500 What are you going to do about that?

01:03:35.780 It's not going to be good.

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