Verdict with Ted Cruz - Bonus： Daily Review with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton

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00:00:04.660 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:05.720 Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off now,

00:00:10.960 and we've got a lot to break down with all of you.

00:00:14.060 Our friends, plural there.

00:00:16.660 I had to make sure I threw in the plural.

00:00:17.820 Our friends, Julie Kelly and Ryan Gradoska will be joining Julie in the second hour

00:00:21.580 on the judicial coup that is still very much underway

00:00:25.680 and a major challenge for the Trump agenda,

00:00:28.340 but one I think that they are up to the task of tackling.

00:00:33.080 And then Ryan Gradoska on some of the numbers, including Clay.

00:00:35.760 That discussion yesterday that we had,

00:00:38.160 I had a lot of people reaching out to me off air,

00:00:40.900 either about hearing us on the show, talking about that,

00:00:43.980 or even just in my life who had seen those numbers.

00:00:48.140 And we've got to put some of these questions out there again,

00:00:50.680 like college-educated white women.

00:00:53.620 Zelensky is the thing that they are the biggest outliers on,

00:00:56.220 how much they love Volodymyr Zelensky.

00:00:58.980 There's some crazy.

00:01:00.100 And DEI.

00:01:01.260 Those two things go together.

00:01:02.580 I think also I saw today,

00:01:04.480 and it ties in with what we were talking about yesterday, I think,

00:01:07.960 because I said if we overlaid the different groups,

00:01:12.340 I think what you would find is that white college-educated women

00:01:15.200 are the least happy of all of those groups,

00:01:18.160 whether it's non-college-educated white men and women

00:01:21.800 or men who went to college.

00:01:23.660 Did you see this today, Buck?

00:01:24.780 It's actually really kind of sad.

00:01:26.880 The United States overall happiness index,

00:01:30.020 to the extent that they track this,

00:01:32.440 hit an all-time low.

00:01:34.520 And it's being driven by people under the age of 30,

00:01:38.300 and I would bet that it's women under the age of 30,

00:01:41.820 overwhelmingly, who are unhappy.

00:01:43.760 And I think it's hard not to believe at this point

00:01:46.320 that all of this isn't directly connected to social media.

00:01:49.700 I mean, if you go look at the charts,

00:01:52.600 overall mental health rates,

00:01:54.160 now certainly COVID didn't help,

00:01:56.080 but overall mental health rates just collapsed about 2014

00:02:00.100 when social media became prevalent in everybody's lives.

00:02:04.700 And I think we're going to find out

00:02:06.020 that this is like the nicotine or cigarettes of our generation

00:02:10.660 where we allowed these phones and these social media apps,

00:02:13.620 particularly for young people,

00:02:15.040 to really kind of lead us astray in terms of our life's pursuits.

00:02:18.920 So there's an early, big-picture idea

00:02:21.500 that I think ties in with yesterday.

00:02:23.740 So we've also got some updates on the border.

00:02:26.700 Tom Holman pointing out that they are rocking on all cylinders here

00:02:32.200 to enforce the law comparing it to Biden.

00:02:34.400 We'll give you those updates.

00:02:36.360 Trump on the recession that people are predicting.

00:02:40.020 This is not a recession.

00:02:41.560 He is not worried at all,

00:02:43.660 which is, I'm sure, not a surprise to any of you.

00:02:45.840 The war against Tesla, which we discussed a bit yesterday,

00:02:49.100 there's more on that.

00:02:50.100 It is just insane and destructive and wrong on every level.

00:02:55.720 And I know yesterday I shared that I'm thinking about getting a Tesla.

00:02:59.080 I'm trying to convince Kerry.

00:03:00.280 The problem is we don't really use the car that we have that much,

00:03:03.300 and we still have a lease on it.

00:03:04.420 Do you have two parking spots or one?

00:03:06.360 Two parking spots, one car.

00:03:08.040 But we have a lot of guests who come over here.

00:03:09.880 So we have friends that come visit.

00:03:11.060 So it's nice to have a little guest spot.

00:03:13.020 Anyway, thinking about getting a Tesla,

00:03:14.840 and people say, oh, Tesla's for rich.

00:03:17.560 You can get a Tesla right now?

00:03:19.220 I know I sound like a Tesla salesman.

00:03:21.220 For about what you can get a reasonably equipped Toyota Corolla for,

00:03:28.560 a new Toyota Corolla.

00:03:29.500 I mean, you can get a Tesla for like three-something a month,

00:03:32.760 which is really low compared to what you can see across the car marketplace.

00:03:39.320 Cars have been very expensive recently.

00:03:40.520 Anyway, we have that.

00:03:42.540 And used cars.

00:03:43.620 Prices have been.

00:03:44.360 It's not cheap to buy a car anywhere, to be frank.

00:03:48.440 So I know people have their problems with the EVs and everything else.

00:03:51.560 Okay, I get it.

00:03:52.320 But the point is they're going after Elon,

00:03:55.020 and they're trying to hurt his company,

00:03:57.640 and they're celebrating, and it's madness.

00:03:59.740 But let's talk about something else for a second here,

00:04:01.780 or something that has gotten both of our attention on this week,

00:04:07.000 and that is the Chuck Schumer, Chuck Schumer as a leader, I guess,

00:04:11.420 of the Democrat Party still.

00:04:12.960 You know, he's one of the gray hairs.

00:04:14.120 He's been around for a long time, been in the game a long time.

00:04:16.620 And you're starting to hear a little bit of the resentful.

00:04:21.920 It reminds me of the Obama era.

00:04:23.560 You didn't build that, because Trump has completely cornered the narrative

00:04:28.460 on robust capitalism, winners, building, creating wealth for the country,

00:04:38.080 and, you know, individual prosperity, and all that stuff.

00:04:41.700 Democrats are the party of, hmm, I don't know.

00:04:45.020 And here's Chuck Schumer on The View,

00:04:47.240 complaining about Americans who want to keep more,

00:04:49.840 this is 14, keep more of their money.

00:04:53.060 You know what their attitude is?

00:04:54.460 I made my money all by myself.

00:04:56.800 How dare your government take my money from me?

00:04:59.280 I don't want to pay taxes.

00:05:00.680 Or I built my company with my bare hands.

00:05:03.220 How dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers,

00:05:07.220 the land and water that I own, or my employees?

00:05:12.080 They hate government.

00:05:13.860 Government's a barrier to people,

00:05:15.920 a barrier to stop them from doing things.

00:05:18.120 They want to destroy it.

00:05:19.380 We are not letting them do it, and we're united.

00:05:22.420 They're just a left-wing authoritarian party, Clay.

00:05:24.960 That's really what the Democrats have become.

00:05:26.540 They want to tell you what to do with everything,

00:05:28.200 and they control everything, even though they're imbeciles.

00:05:30.760 I want Democrats to have to answer the question.

00:05:34.900 And I know we're not very far away from April 15th,

00:05:37.780 which is not a very happy day for a lot of our listeners out there.

00:05:41.560 But what is a fair share?

00:05:43.960 Like, I pay 40% of my income to the federal government most years now.

00:05:50.960 40%, boom.

00:05:52.300 You know, I work until May,

00:05:54.180 and so I'm still working basically for the federal government.

00:05:58.760 What would be a fair share?

00:06:00.200 We have an insanely,

00:06:03.260 an insanely aggressive tax policy for people who actually pay taxes.

00:06:09.760 First of all, and very few people talk about this,

00:06:13.360 income taxes are only paid by about 50% of the United States population.

00:06:19.840 So, first of all, right off the top,

00:06:22.180 over, I think it's 51% of people,

00:06:24.480 don't pay a single dollar in federal income tax.

00:06:27.760 Now, payroll taxes is different, right?

00:06:30.720 I'm talking about federal income taxes.

00:06:33.240 And then a lot of you, you live in New York,

00:06:36.320 you're listening to us right now,

00:06:37.680 you live in California,

00:06:39.320 you live in Illinois,

00:06:40.860 then you have to pay another 12% or 13% state income tax.

00:06:45.520 And then that doesn't even get into what your property taxes are going to be,

00:06:48.860 or what your sales taxes are going to be.

00:06:51.260 I mean, the government is taxing us like crazy.

00:06:55.540 And I just, what percentage?

00:06:57.820 I haven't lived in New York in, what, going on three years now?

00:07:01.280 Two and a half years?

00:07:02.320 And they still want me paying taxes there somehow.

00:07:04.740 It's crazy, okay?

00:07:05.900 The system we have is absolutely nuts.

00:07:09.000 I got taxed because Fox Sports is based in LA,

00:07:12.020 and I would travel a lot to LA to do television shows.

00:07:17.220 And, Buck, I remember when they would take that money out of my paycheck.

00:07:20.400 It's by the day.

00:07:21.480 It's by the work day.

00:07:22.860 Same thing in New York City.

00:07:23.880 Same thing, I think, in Utah, if I remember correctly.

00:07:26.380 When I've been to Salt Lake City in the past,

00:07:28.140 I've had to pay, like, hundreds of dollars in income tax to Utah.

00:07:31.540 For the privilege of being in Salt Lake.

00:07:33.260 It's a beautiful place.

00:07:34.460 It is lovely, but I just was surprised that Utah was grabbing into my pocket there.

00:07:39.220 We appreciate everybody who listens in Salt Lake City,

00:07:42.680 where I believe we're number one.

00:07:44.100 We are.

00:07:44.540 We are.

00:07:44.840 Number one consistently for three-plus years now.

00:07:47.800 Thank you, Salt Lake City.

00:07:48.460 Great station.

00:07:49.420 I will say, like, when you look at these arguments,

00:07:55.260 isn't it interesting they never get pushed back?

00:07:57.480 They say, Eunice, you should pay your fair share.

00:07:59.560 That's their line.

00:08:00.800 What is the fair share?

00:08:02.020 And I think a lot more people are looking around in the Doge era

00:08:06.680 when we're recognizing how much money is wasted,

00:08:09.380 and this conversation becomes even more paramount than it should be,

00:08:13.320 which is important all year round and all the time,

00:08:16.420 but I think Elon has elevated it.

00:08:18.060 There's also some big philosophical distinctions here that I think should be made.

00:08:23.480 Clay, for example, as we have seen from the efforts of Elon and Doge,

00:08:28.620 thank you, Trump, for putting them in the game to do this,

00:08:31.140 every dollar of government spending is somehow sacred to Democrats.

00:08:36.280 This is what we've seen.

00:08:36.960 Have they actually said on anything that Doge has done,

00:08:41.480 look at what Doge has been finding,

00:08:43.460 look at some of the ways that your money, you know,

00:08:46.040 we talked about the transgender Muppet shows in Mongolia

00:08:49.540 and all this stuff that's going on.

00:08:51.600 Every dollar the government spends is both sacred and it's not enough.

00:08:57.420 There always should be, you can never cut and there always should be more.

00:09:01.860 Meanwhile, the American people whose hours, labor, creativity, and effort

00:09:09.560 are what is actually the economy.

00:09:11.740 This is something that Democrats and the government don't really understand.

00:09:14.600 It's not that the government creates the economy.

00:09:17.500 The government, if it's operating well,

00:09:20.200 should create some of the guidelines,

00:09:23.060 the rules of the road and enforcement mechanisms

00:09:25.240 for contracts within the economy.

00:09:27.040 But it is all of you listening who show up somewhere

00:09:30.340 and build a good, provide a service,

00:09:33.800 do something that is worthwhile to society

00:09:37.080 and you get money for that.

00:09:38.560 That is the actual economy, the productive economy.

00:09:41.940 And anybody within that who feels like the government,

00:09:45.820 that every dollar is sacred and never is it enough spending,

00:09:50.760 if we say that something needs to change, that's terrible.

00:09:53.820 I mean, this whole thinking needs to be flipped on its head

00:09:57.920 because what are you really getting for your money

00:10:01.620 with so many of these things?

00:10:03.140 What is really worthwhile?

00:10:04.020 Remember, we have a state government too.

00:10:05.980 The fact that Trump's about to shut the Department of Education, right?

00:10:08.580 That executive order is going to come down

00:10:10.020 and people go, oh no, education.

00:10:12.540 The Department of Education has nothing to do with educating your children.

00:10:16.940 All it does is make it worse

00:10:18.500 and create a holding pen for boring bureaucrats

00:10:22.400 that get paid to do nothing.

00:10:23.820 And we're wrong about everything COVID.

00:10:25.820 I was reading, Buck, yesterday to credit of the New York Times,

00:10:30.740 which just suddenly realized, hey, we screwed up everything with COVID.

00:10:33.940 They had a story about Oakland area kids, Buck,

00:10:36.880 and I've met a bunch of these kids as I've been traveling around

00:10:39.540 and started to speak on some college campuses.

00:10:41.440 These kids in many parts of New York State and California and Illinois,

00:10:47.340 but this particular kid's in Oakland, Buck,

00:10:50.320 they shut down their schools on like March, whatever it was, 15th of 2020.

00:10:56.080 They never came back to school if you were a junior.

00:11:00.420 I don't know that we talk enough about how many kids out there,

00:11:04.760 and I know some of you are listening to us right now.

00:11:07.180 I remember we had a caller from Utah,

00:11:08.680 a young woman who was voting for the first time, 18-year-old,

00:11:12.160 talking about how angry she and some of her classmates were.

00:11:14.640 It was a great call.

00:11:15.720 Good memory.

00:11:17.140 But, I mean, it hit me because can you imagine

00:11:20.320 if you're out there listening to us right now,

00:11:22.860 think about all the things that happen to you

00:11:24.980 when you're 16, 17, and 18 years old

00:11:28.360 and how embedded in an integral fashion

00:11:31.360 so much of your life experience happens 16, 17, 18.

00:11:35.380 You remember everybody out there to a large extent,

00:11:38.360 you remember things when you're 16

00:11:40.040 better than something that happened when you're 36, 46, or 56

00:11:44.000 because all the years start to run together.

00:11:46.720 It imprints on you in an interesting way.

00:11:49.120 Those kids went home in many parts of our country

00:11:53.000 in March of 2020, and they never came back.

00:11:57.320 You miss your junior year prom.

00:11:59.660 You miss your junior year spring sports season.

00:12:03.320 You never returned.

00:12:04.640 Buck, the article in the New York Times

00:12:05.880 was talking about these kids came back

00:12:07.380 at the end of May for graduation,

00:12:09.460 and they had to be six foot distant,

00:12:11.620 and they didn't even recognize each other

00:12:13.560 because also think about how much you change

00:12:15.680 in that year and a half.

00:12:17.440 They just all went home,

00:12:18.560 and they never were in physical location together again.

00:12:23.240 I get angrier the more I think about it,

00:12:26.940 even though it's been five years.

00:12:28.900 And so I think for my, you tell me that I have to cut checks,

00:12:32.760 it's one thing if I think the government's doing a great job.

00:12:35.500 It's another thing if I'm still furious about what they did,

00:12:37.920 in particular the Department of Education,

00:12:39.840 to keep our kids from being able to be in school.

00:12:42.880 And they now are at the point where I think they're on the edge

00:12:46.180 of seeing the Department of Education get officially shut down.

00:12:49.640 There have already been cuts made.

00:12:50.840 I know a judge is going to reverse it if he hasn't

00:12:53.280 or she hasn't already,

00:12:54.140 and they'll also reverse the shutdown.

00:12:56.180 And the whole plan here is essentially

00:12:58.180 to have the judicial coup in effect

00:13:00.920 for really Trump's whole term,

00:13:03.720 if they can get away with it,

00:13:04.560 to stop him from doing what he should be able to do.

00:13:07.700 But yeah, the Department of Education,

00:13:09.340 it employs around 4,200 people

00:13:11.680 until the most recent round of cuts.

00:13:14.460 When you look at what does it do,

00:13:16.880 what does the Department of Education actually do?

00:13:19.220 Everything that it does is either superfluous,

00:13:23.340 political, or could be done by the states

00:13:26.000 much more effectively

00:13:27.260 and much more within the federalist system that we have.

00:13:31.660 If you live in Texas,

00:13:35.160 why should some bureaucrats in D.C.

00:13:36.880 be influencing the curriculum of your school in Texas?

00:13:40.360 People say, oh, because they have to make sure,

00:13:42.140 well, they have to make sure

00:13:42.960 the test scores don't actually budge

00:13:44.620 and if anything get worse over the last 40 years,

00:13:46.720 because that's what's happened.

00:13:49.320 Failure within government needs to be treated

00:13:51.220 much more like failure within the private sector

00:13:53.760 where you and I have been at places, Clay,

00:13:55.540 where it's a fire sale and everyone's getting fired

00:13:57.220 and it stinks and like, you know,

00:13:58.900 but that is what happens.

00:14:01.000 And this notion that the government is

00:14:02.960 and always will be,

00:14:04.500 not just existing as it is,

00:14:06.520 but growing and getting more money,

00:14:08.500 that is a change in the way that we are governed

00:14:12.320 that absolutely needs to happen.

00:14:13.300 And look, we were just talking about the tax situation here.

00:14:16.900 IRS is a pain, all right?

00:14:18.360 I mean, I'm hoping that the IRS

00:14:19.680 gets a nice doge audit of itself going here,

00:14:22.460 but the IRS is a rough agency to have to deal with.

00:14:27.300 And you don't need me to remind you,

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00:16:21.760 We have our friend Ryan Gruduski joining us at the bottom

00:16:25.460 to talk about some data

00:16:28.580 and particularly diving into what we learned about

00:16:31.640 white college-educated women yesterday.

00:16:36.220 They idolize Vladimir Zelensky,

00:16:40.920 which is very strange for a lot of women

00:16:43.880 who I think have probably very likely,

00:16:46.040 very few of them ever seen combat,

00:16:48.160 know anything about war or the military,

00:16:50.480 but they're all about Zelensky.

00:16:52.720 So the propaganda there has clearly,

00:16:54.940 clearly been effective.

00:16:57.280 We'll talk to Ryan about that.

00:16:59.620 Democrats are turning on Schumer,

00:17:01.760 which is not a surprise

00:17:04.160 because they're in the panic phase of things.

00:17:07.260 You know, this is where in Lord of the Flies,

00:17:10.340 they all start sharpening sticks

00:17:12.240 and just poking each other with them

00:17:13.780 because they don't know what else to do

00:17:15.140 and there's no real leadership.

00:17:17.060 And remember, it's a great book.

00:17:18.780 You remember reading Lord of the Flies in school

00:17:21.140 back in the day?

00:17:21.960 Oh, Lord of the Flies, Buck, is my argument.

00:17:27.020 Everybody has one friend who reads like one book

00:17:30.020 and tries to analogize everything that ever happened.

00:17:33.400 You know, like not somebody who reads a lot of books.

00:17:36.140 I had a buddy who read like one book in his whole life

00:17:38.920 and it was Lord of the Flies

00:17:40.220 and he would try to analogize anything that happened

00:17:45.480 to the one book that he had ever read,

00:17:47.280 which was Lord of the Flies.

00:17:48.640 Well, that's like a lot of people now with Harry Potter.

00:17:50.780 No offense, because I know you read a lot of other things too

00:17:52.840 and you're a Harry Potter guy,

00:17:53.960 but everything is Voldemort.

00:17:55.860 Everything is the Quidditch.

00:17:57.600 You know, the Harry Potter became so dominant.

00:18:00.040 At least there are seven Harry Potters,

00:18:01.920 although a lot of people didn't even read them.

00:18:03.380 They just watched the movies.

00:18:05.500 I didn't either, so there we go.

00:18:07.380 I probably should get on that.

00:18:08.880 Now, we have the Democrats turning at each other,

00:18:12.820 turning on Schumer,

00:18:13.820 and we've got all that happening,

00:18:16.180 but I wanted to spend some time here

00:18:17.620 on the war on Tesla

00:18:20.040 and how it factors into as well

00:18:22.920 the Democrat approach to the economy.

00:18:25.260 So let's just look at what's going on here right now.

00:18:28.180 The fact that you have these Democrats

00:18:30.220 openly rooting against

00:18:32.460 an all-American car company,

00:18:37.160 one that, you know,

00:18:38.020 the cars are manufactured here,

00:18:39.660 I mean, they've got the huge facility in Texas.

00:18:43.800 I think 80,000 people work for Tesla, Clay.

00:18:47.240 80,000 jobs.

00:18:48.980 If you believe that climate change

00:18:50.900 is any kind of threat,

00:18:52.020 never mind existential,

00:18:53.080 you should think that what Tesla's doing,

00:18:55.260 because remember, it's not just the cars.

00:18:57.440 It's the technology.

00:18:58.900 It's autonomous driving.

00:19:00.460 It's the interface.

00:19:01.820 It's the battery technology.

00:19:03.760 It's, you know,

00:19:04.600 how far are we from Starlink

00:19:06.440 being able to control all the cars

00:19:08.620 and maybe we get VTOL,

00:19:10.020 so vertical takeoff, you know,

00:19:11.800 and landing for meaning

00:19:14.480 that basically flying cars.

00:19:15.840 I mean, things are going to get

00:19:16.760 really interesting in our lifetime, folks.

00:19:19.040 So that's pretty cool, right?

00:19:20.700 Well, not if you're Tim Walz,

00:19:22.380 who thinks he can beat you up,

00:19:23.600 I might add.

00:19:24.340 And I mean you, not Clay.

00:19:25.840 Like you listening to me.

00:19:27.040 Tim Walz thinks he can take you in a fight.

00:19:29.280 I think we have legions of great...

00:19:32.020 I think we have legions of guys over 75

00:19:34.020 that would smoke Tim Walz.

00:19:36.140 Did you see our 86-year-old listener

00:19:38.360 who emailed me about...

00:19:40.040 That was one of the fun...

00:19:40.880 I need to read that email at some point

00:19:42.500 because that was a great email.

00:19:44.120 I know the conservative talk radio audience

00:19:46.160 and there are guys over 75

00:19:47.540 that would whoop my ass,

00:19:48.580 so I definitely know

00:19:49.480 they would take Tim Walz in a fight.

00:19:51.840 But Caroline Leavitt at the White House

00:19:54.900 speaking as the press secretary

00:19:57.240 just goes after this.

00:19:59.420 I mean, it's astonishing.

00:20:01.320 It's outrageous

00:20:02.360 that he is rooting for the failure

00:20:04.760 of a company.

00:20:05.400 Again, because Elon wants to cut government waste.

00:20:07.920 Play eight.

00:20:08.620 Governor Walz saying last night

00:20:09.960 he frequently checks Tesla stock

00:20:12.380 in doing so to, quote,

00:20:14.080 give me a little boost during the day.

00:20:16.480 How should Americans view politicians

00:20:18.040 who take pride in the downfall

00:20:20.960 of an American car company?

00:20:22.120 I think that's quite sad,

00:20:23.500 but I think Governor Walz, unfortunately,

00:20:25.540 is living a sad existence

00:20:26.740 after his devastating defeat

00:20:28.240 on November 5th.

00:20:29.400 It is sad,

00:20:31.880 and his defeat was devastating.

00:20:33.340 It's sad, though,

00:20:33.860 that somebody would be rooting

00:20:35.100 for an American.

00:20:36.180 Think about what that means.

00:20:38.080 It's not just Tesla.

00:20:39.780 It is a...

00:20:41.180 I mean, you and I have never sat here

00:20:42.920 and been like,

00:20:43.220 you know what I want?

00:20:44.340 I want Amazon to go bankrupt

00:20:46.400 because it employs huge numbers of people.

00:20:49.960 It's an enormously valuable company,

00:20:51.980 and it has been incredibly effective.

00:20:54.560 I mean, it has saved millions,

00:20:56.620 maybe billions of man hours for people.

00:20:59.060 And look, I know Jeff Bezos

00:21:00.100 is more on our team now

00:21:01.820 than he used to be,

00:21:02.640 but he's still not really on our team.

00:21:04.120 We're all very aware of this.

00:21:05.900 But to root for a huge American company,

00:21:08.440 it'd be like sitting here, Clay,

00:21:09.620 and just saying,

00:21:10.420 you know, I want Ford and General Motors

00:21:12.040 to just cease to exist

00:21:13.600 and all their people to get fired

00:21:14.920 because I don't like what this...

00:21:16.220 I don't like who the CEO voted for.

00:21:18.000 There's something deranged about this.

00:21:19.840 I think two things

00:21:21.020 that are important here.

00:21:22.460 One, if you truly cared

00:21:24.300 about climate change,

00:21:25.460 then the idea

00:21:27.000 that you would want Tesla to fail

00:21:29.640 is the most heretical thing

00:21:32.620 that you could possibly say

00:21:34.060 because I'm not sure

00:21:35.680 there's any company in America

00:21:37.260 that has done more

00:21:38.320 to fight climate change.

00:21:39.400 And this is supposed to be,

00:21:40.260 as we talked about yesterday,

00:21:41.280 an existential threat

00:21:42.620 to the entire world

00:21:44.600 and to our nation.

00:21:46.140 And yet you have Tim Walls out there

00:21:48.340 saying that he's checking

00:21:49.140 to see what the stock price is

00:21:50.460 because he's rooting for Tesla to fail.

00:21:52.280 That doesn't add up

00:21:53.660 if you actually believe

00:21:54.920 that climate change

00:21:56.280 is the existential threat.

00:21:57.780 And I think what it forces Democrats

00:21:59.160 to do is decide

00:22:01.080 what do we hate more,

00:22:03.700 climate change or Trump?

00:22:06.020 And the reality is

00:22:07.300 they hate Trump more than anything.

00:22:08.880 And so the Elon connection to Trump

00:22:10.540 means they root against it.

00:22:11.760 Second, choosing whether or not

00:22:13.660 to spend your money on products

00:22:16.240 based on whether they share

00:22:18.220 your values or not

00:22:19.380 is, I think,

00:22:20.660 a very rational choice to make.

00:22:22.580 I would argue that Tesla

00:22:23.480 actually shares the values

00:22:24.820 of Democrats.

00:22:25.400 But leaving that aside,

00:22:27.220 what is not is

00:22:28.400 when, for instance,

00:22:29.860 we said,

00:22:30.780 hey, Bud Light's got a trans,

00:22:32.560 you know, spokesperson,

00:22:34.520 maybe drink another beer.

00:22:36.040 We didn't say

00:22:37.160 and throw Molotov cocktails

00:22:39.120 at people driving around

00:22:41.000 in Budweiser trucks.

00:22:42.480 What the left has done

00:22:44.100 with Elon

00:22:44.680 is not only reject

00:22:46.060 their own principles

00:22:47.080 upon which they stand,

00:22:48.600 but actually take it

00:22:50.120 to the next step,

00:22:51.440 they're lighting Teslas

00:22:52.600 on fire everywhere.

00:22:54.820 People are getting busted

00:22:56.180 on the Tesla cameras

00:22:58.300 keying Tesla vehicles

00:23:00.760 all over the place,

00:23:02.500 behaving in a fundamentally

00:23:04.480 ridiculous and, frankly,

00:23:07.420 violent manner over this.

00:23:10.100 And to me,

00:23:10.580 it just kind of ties in

00:23:11.900 with it's one thing

00:23:13.320 to make a decision

00:23:14.180 about a product

00:23:15.080 that you like or don't like.

00:23:16.400 We said, hey,

00:23:17.560 you make a great product.

00:23:19.180 The benefit typically is

00:23:20.580 even if you disagree

00:23:21.820 with the product,

00:23:22.700 you'll probably still consume it.

00:23:24.200 When we say Chick-fil-A,

00:23:25.680 there's nobody who,

00:23:26.400 I'm sorry,

00:23:27.160 there's nobody who makes

00:23:27.900 a better chicken sandwich

00:23:28.920 than Chick-fil-A.

00:23:29.860 And one of the great things

00:23:30.760 about the Chick-fil-A sandwich,

00:23:31.840 by the way, Buck,

00:23:32.540 is the pickle.

00:23:33.640 Lots of gay people,

00:23:35.140 lots of gay people out there

00:23:37.040 rolled into Chick-fil-A

00:23:38.500 like crazy.

00:23:39.300 They're like,

00:23:39.640 ah, you know,

00:23:40.200 I wish they supported

00:23:41.040 gay marriage.

00:23:42.040 But man,

00:23:43.340 their chicken nuggets

00:23:44.640 are just so good.

00:23:45.820 I'm going to go in

00:23:46.920 and get them anyway,

00:23:47.800 right?

00:23:48.800 Second,

00:23:49.320 we talked about this yesterday

00:23:50.420 before you had it stricken

00:23:53.780 from the record.

00:23:54.900 Yes.

00:23:56.620 When you talked about

00:23:58.740 how much your wife,

00:23:59.300 Carrie,

00:23:59.520 loves Costco,

00:24:00.260 I also love Costco.

00:24:01.500 Costco has stayed committed

00:24:02.440 to DEI.

00:24:03.300 I think they're wrong there.

00:24:04.720 They're still the best

00:24:05.640 warehouse shopping center

00:24:07.660 option out there.

00:24:09.600 And I still really like

00:24:10.880 their samples,

00:24:11.640 and I'm still going to

00:24:12.440 spend money at Costco.

00:24:13.880 Their brand is so good,

00:24:15.460 much like Chick-fil-A,

00:24:16.620 that even if they have

00:24:17.520 politics that are somewhat

00:24:18.620 different than me,

00:24:19.980 that I'm not going to shop,

00:24:21.140 I'm going to continue

00:24:21.720 to shop there.

00:24:22.500 Tesla makes the best

00:24:23.380 electric vehicle in the world,

00:24:25.480 is my understanding.

00:24:26.560 I'm not an expert on this,

00:24:27.800 but the people who have Teslas

00:24:29.400 rave about them, Buck.

00:24:31.460 And this is one reason

00:24:32.260 I'm looking at

00:24:32.920 potentially buying one.

00:24:33.960 You're looking at

00:24:34.540 potentially buying one.

00:24:36.100 I want to stand up

00:24:37.520 and say,

00:24:38.520 hey,

00:24:38.660 I believe in American

00:24:39.600 exceptionalism.

00:24:40.500 I think Elon Musk

00:24:41.880 is an exceptional

00:24:42.840 American capitalist

00:24:44.020 in all facets,

00:24:45.120 and I would like to believe

00:24:47.080 that it is rational

00:24:48.460 Americans out there

00:24:49.540 who aren't going to

00:24:50.560 punish him because

00:24:51.180 he's trying to make

00:24:51.900 the government more

00:24:52.620 efficient, Buck,

00:24:53.740 in his free time.

00:24:56.040 Like,

00:24:56.340 he didn't have to do

00:24:57.120 this at all.

00:24:57.820 He's just giving back

00:24:59.400 to the country

00:25:00.260 to try to make sure

00:25:01.940 that our deficit

00:25:03.440 doesn't drown all of us

00:25:05.100 in red ink.

00:25:06.560 And you've got

00:25:07.540 a couple of voices

00:25:08.460 weighing in on this,

00:25:10.300 defending the,

00:25:12.140 remember,

00:25:12.440 it's not really about

00:25:12.980 defending Elon personally.

00:25:14.280 This is about the company.

00:25:15.100 This is about Tesla,

00:25:15.780 which is doing great things.

00:25:17.740 It's innovating.

00:25:18.880 It's employing people.

00:25:20.140 It's making incredible products.

00:25:22.820 You know,

00:25:23.380 we're,

00:25:24.240 there's so much about it.

00:25:25.700 It's here in America.

00:25:26.820 The cars are made

00:25:27.880 here in America.

00:25:28.640 It's not some,

00:25:29.900 you know,

00:25:30.320 we're not having

00:25:31.340 some sweatshop somewhere

00:25:32.820 putting together iPhones.

00:25:34.660 just saying.

00:25:36.040 Again,

00:25:36.840 I wish I could tell you

00:25:37.700 I don't have an iPhone.

00:25:38.600 I do,

00:25:39.120 but it's because

00:25:39.640 I don't like the other options

00:25:41.340 and, you know,

00:25:41.820 but I'm aware

00:25:42.480 of what goes on here, right?

00:25:43.640 It's not always perfect

00:25:44.520 to make these,

00:25:45.220 make these kinds of choices.

00:25:47.240 Kevin O'Leary, though,

00:25:48.400 points out that Tim Walsh

00:25:49.620 is a bozo.

00:25:51.240 This is Mr. Wonderful,

00:25:52.260 cut nine.

00:25:52.960 I'm talking about Tim Walsh

00:25:54.280 and his comments

00:25:55.080 about the Tesla stock.

00:25:56.300 He says it gives him a boost

00:25:57.340 to see that stock going down.

00:25:58.660 That poor guy

00:25:59.500 didn't check his portfolio

00:26:00.740 and his own pension plan

00:26:01.900 for state.

00:26:02.920 It's beyond stupid

00:26:04.080 what he did.

00:26:04.660 He's talking down

00:26:05.660 a three and a half percent

00:26:07.060 weighting in his own pension plan.

00:26:09.040 I mean,

00:26:09.540 what's the matter with that guy?

00:26:10.560 He doesn't check

00:26:11.100 the well-being

00:26:11.960 of his own constituents.

00:26:13.440 I mean,

00:26:13.940 that's their investment point.

00:26:15.520 What a bozo.

00:26:16.460 He's pointing out the economic

00:26:19.700 illiteracy of somebody

00:26:21.020 like it.

00:26:21.400 Tim Walsh.

00:26:22.260 Companies like Tesla

00:26:23.300 are what have been moving

00:26:24.940 the market in recent years,

00:26:26.560 which means 401ks,

00:26:28.600 which means pension plans.

00:26:31.500 The, you know,

00:26:32.340 the growth of the major

00:26:34.280 American corporations

00:26:35.660 is lifting up

00:26:37.420 the overall market.

00:26:38.740 And even if you think,

00:26:40.520 oh, I'm not in the market,

00:26:41.600 oh, no,

00:26:41.940 you're in the market

00:26:42.620 because it affects

00:26:44.040 the cost of borrowing.

00:26:45.080 It affects the cost

00:26:45.860 of your rent

00:26:46.420 or your mortgage

00:26:47.020 or the payments

00:26:48.280 on your car

00:26:49.060 or the credit card

00:26:50.040 interest rates

00:26:50.660 that you have.

00:26:51.620 There is no escaping

00:26:53.060 the market

00:26:53.780 if you're operating

00:26:54.660 in America today

00:26:55.720 and to want companies,

00:26:58.020 whether it's Tesla

00:26:59.060 or NVIDIA

00:26:59.900 or, you know,

00:27:00.360 the magnificent

00:27:01.420 seven stocks

00:27:02.220 they'll talk about,

00:27:03.320 when you root

00:27:03.820 for those to fail,

00:27:04.680 you're rooting actually

00:27:05.440 for the American economy

00:27:06.440 to feel pain

00:27:07.120 and there to be less wealth

00:27:08.000 in this country.

00:27:08.560 And that's what they're doing

00:27:09.800 because they don't like Elon

00:27:10.940 because he's too nice to Trump.

00:27:12.940 And again,

00:27:13.980 they're also rooting

00:27:15.080 for climate change,

00:27:16.400 which is like,

00:27:17.720 at its most basic level,

00:27:19.400 did you see this idiot astronaut

00:27:21.720 Mark Kelly,

00:27:22.560 senator from Arizona,

00:27:24.020 went and traded in his Tesla

00:27:26.800 and went and got

00:27:28.160 a gas guzzling SUV

00:27:29.780 to replace it?

00:27:31.100 So what is the story

00:27:32.980 that you support, right?

00:27:34.580 I mean, again,

00:27:35.720 I think part of being adulthood,

00:27:37.720 you mentioned the iPhone.

00:27:39.640 Part of being an adult

00:27:40.760 is recognizing

00:27:41.760 that everybody's not

00:27:43.160 going to agree with you

00:27:44.200 on every single thing

00:27:45.900 and still making decisions

00:27:47.600 that are somewhat rational

00:27:48.800 when it comes to products, right?

00:27:50.220 Like, I don't want

00:27:51.280 my toilet paper

00:27:52.760 to have a strong position

00:27:54.560 on any political issue.

00:27:56.140 I just want them

00:27:56.860 to kind of make toilet paper

00:27:57.840 that doesn't fail, right?

00:28:00.220 That actually works.

00:28:02.220 And I think most Americans,

00:28:03.860 I don't want my cat litter brand

00:28:05.360 to send me an email

00:28:07.240 about what they think

00:28:07.900 about BLM.

00:28:08.940 I think most Americans

00:28:09.980 just want the product itself

00:28:12.180 to not take a particular stand.

00:28:14.480 Elon has not said

00:28:16.280 that Tesla has a particular stand, right?

00:28:19.520 This is Elon Musk individual

00:28:21.520 donating his time

00:28:23.440 to try to make the government

00:28:24.980 more efficient.

00:28:25.960 It isn't actually directly connected

00:28:28.200 to Tesla at all.

00:28:29.960 It would be different

00:28:30.660 if he had said,

00:28:31.800 hey, I don't want any Democrat

00:28:34.220 to drive my car.

00:28:35.840 I would think that's

00:28:36.540 a really bad move.

00:28:37.620 I'm old school, Buck.

00:28:39.140 I'm like Michael Jordan.

00:28:40.520 Republicans buy sneakers, too, right?

00:28:42.240 Like, you should try

00:28:42.940 to appeal to everyone.

00:28:44.760 The Commerce Secretary,

00:28:45.940 Howard Lutnick,

00:28:46.940 who has been very outspoken

00:28:48.080 about a lot of things

00:28:48.700 in the economy,

00:28:49.360 he spoke,

00:28:50.240 he straight up said,

00:28:51.200 he's a senior government

00:28:52.240 official cabinet member.

00:28:53.760 Well, I'll let you listen

00:28:54.680 to what he said about Tesla.

00:28:55.660 Play 10.

00:28:56.220 He's the guy

00:28:56.980 who's going to build

00:28:57.920 the next generation technology.

00:29:00.040 I think if you want

00:29:01.300 to learn something

00:29:02.080 on this show tonight,

00:29:03.460 buy Tesla.

00:29:04.720 It's unbelievable

00:29:05.960 that this guy's stock

00:29:07.640 is this cheap.

00:29:08.480 It'll never be this cheap again.

00:29:10.140 When people understand

00:29:11.400 the things he's building,

00:29:12.500 the robots he's building,

00:29:14.020 the technology he's building,

00:29:15.820 people are going to be

00:29:16.640 dreaming of today

00:29:17.820 and Jesse Waters

00:29:19.000 and thinking,

00:29:19.940 gosh, I should have bought

00:29:21.080 Elon Musk's stock.

00:29:24.100 I mean, who wouldn't invest

00:29:25.060 in Elon Musk?

00:29:25.900 You've got to be kidding me.

00:29:26.620 All right, so you're

00:29:27.120 calling the bottom.

00:29:28.420 This is it.

00:29:30.040 Whether today's

00:29:31.000 the bottom or not,

00:29:31.820 I tell you what,

00:29:32.760 Elon Musk is probably

00:29:34.040 the best person to bet on

00:29:35.460 I've ever met.

00:29:38.140 There you go.

00:29:39.100 Pretty strong endorsement, Buck.

00:29:40.960 Yeah.

00:29:41.440 The Commerce Secretary

00:29:42.340 effectively saying

00:29:43.780 this is the most impressive

00:29:44.800 CEO living today

00:29:47.660 in the world.

00:29:49.100 It's a big deal,

00:29:50.080 I thought, you know.

00:29:51.120 And he's trying

00:29:52.900 to help the government

00:29:53.600 instead of just running

00:29:55.160 his incredible companies.

00:29:57.140 Yeah.

00:29:57.340 So it says something.

00:29:58.740 And again,

00:29:59.060 Tesla is not doing anything.

00:30:02.460 Bud Light did something.

00:30:04.460 Right?

00:30:04.800 We didn't say,

00:30:05.800 oh, the Bud Light CEO

00:30:07.120 did something

00:30:08.020 and therefore

00:30:09.140 you can't drink Bud Light

00:30:10.700 anymore.

00:30:12.180 Elon Musk runs a company,

00:30:13.840 but he has the right

00:30:15.020 to free speech.

00:30:15.760 He has the right

00:30:16.500 to make choices.

00:30:17.900 The Tesla Corporation

00:30:19.200 is not actually doing anything

00:30:21.340 that you would disapprove of.

00:30:23.260 I think that's a pretty

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00:32:03.240 Gerdusky joins us now.

00:32:05.060 It's a numbers game

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00:32:17.640 So, Mr. Gerdusky,

00:32:18.900 great to have you with us.

00:32:20.080 How are you?

00:32:21.400 Yeah, we're good, man.

00:32:22.440 So, we have a lot of things

00:32:24.180 to run by you,

00:32:24.820 but first off,

00:32:26.160 what was your biggest takeaway

00:32:27.380 when you looked at those numbers

00:32:28.540 that were released yesterday

00:32:29.620 where the outlier extraordinaire

00:32:32.580 was white college-educated women

00:32:35.200 who are apparently obsessed

00:32:36.940 with Zelensky and DEI?

00:32:40.440 Yeah, I don't think

00:32:41.300 that shocked anybody.

00:32:42.440 That was with the NBC polls

00:32:43.620 that they held from Sunday.

00:32:44.740 They just live...

00:32:46.960 White men without a college degree

00:32:48.740 and white women

00:32:49.360 with a college degree

00:32:50.200 don't live in the same country.

00:32:52.120 I mean,

00:32:52.360 they just fundamentally don't.

00:32:54.040 Men without...

00:32:54.600 White men without a college degree

00:32:55.680 live in Texas

00:32:56.420 and white women

00:32:57.540 with a college degree

00:32:58.880 live in, like, Sweden.

00:33:00.660 So, it's just...

00:33:01.580 It's not...

00:33:02.180 They don't have the same concerns.

00:33:03.900 They don't have the same issues.

00:33:05.820 It's bizarre.

00:33:07.020 And when I can kind of...

00:33:07.740 I can kind of, like,

00:33:09.740 sit there and really

00:33:10.520 break it down to an ideology

00:33:12.580 is that one has

00:33:13.580 a very comfortable level of living

00:33:15.260 and one does not.

00:33:16.120 If your biggest issue

00:33:16.920 is Zelensky,

00:33:18.080 you're probably not worried

00:33:19.640 that much about

00:33:20.340 your monthly bills

00:33:21.340 or an illegal alien,

00:33:23.440 you know,

00:33:23.820 attacking you

00:33:24.760 or breaking to your ranch

00:33:26.080 if you live on the border.

00:33:27.240 This is just a completely

00:33:28.220 different life that they live.

00:33:29.940 And, yeah,

00:33:31.380 I mean,

00:33:31.640 it's a totally different world.

00:33:33.060 And it makes for bad politics

00:33:34.200 because white women

00:33:35.360 with a college degree

00:33:36.300 who are on the left

00:33:37.240 are getting more radicalized.

00:33:39.180 They're getting further

00:33:39.960 to the left

00:33:40.560 and that's a problem.

00:33:42.260 So,

00:33:42.900 does the problem

00:33:43.760 get resolved

00:33:45.460 in any way

00:33:46.260 if abortion

00:33:47.140 becomes

00:33:48.060 less of a

00:33:49.180 national political issue

00:33:50.780 and more of an

00:33:51.700 individual state issue?

00:33:53.480 Because it seems like to me,

00:33:54.680 and I'm curious

00:33:55.340 if you buy this thesis, Ryan,

00:33:57.320 that Democrats

00:33:58.020 have uniquely

00:33:58.980 exploited the fears

00:34:00.560 of educated white women

00:34:02.480 when it comes

00:34:03.780 to reproductive rights

00:34:05.240 and that that is

00:34:07.040 the motivating factor

00:34:08.420 for many of them,

00:34:09.760 particularly if you're

00:34:10.480 in your 20s or 30s,

00:34:12.400 given the fact

00:34:13.080 that abortion,

00:34:13.960 whatever you think about it,

00:34:15.060 the numbers haven't

00:34:15.820 really changed that much

00:34:17.160 since Roe v. Wade

00:34:18.080 was overturned.

00:34:19.520 Is the impact

00:34:20.680 of abortion

00:34:21.260 as a national political issue

00:34:22.960 maybe something

00:34:24.120 that could bring

00:34:24.980 these women

00:34:25.520 back to some measure

00:34:26.880 of political sanity

00:34:28.060 or not?

00:34:30.040 No,

00:34:30.680 I don't think

00:34:31.100 that it's abortion.

00:34:31.880 I mean,

00:34:32.040 I think abortion

00:34:32.580 is part of the question.

00:34:33.940 But part of it,

00:34:34.600 certainly a large part.

00:34:36.040 But the second,

00:34:36.900 the biggest group

00:34:37.680 of white women

00:34:38.640 to vote for Democrats

00:34:39.880 were white women

00:34:40.520 in their late 20s,

00:34:41.780 early 30s.

00:34:42.480 That would be

00:34:42.800 the abortion group.

00:34:43.780 The second largest

00:34:44.860 were white women

00:34:45.680 over the age of 70,

00:34:47.080 but under the age of 80.

00:34:49.060 So if it was

00:34:50.500 just an abortion thing,

00:34:52.500 that's probably not

00:34:53.200 Sorry to cut you off,

00:34:54.100 but that's fascinating.

00:34:55.100 What do you think

00:34:55.600 is motivating

00:34:56.220 those white women

00:34:57.320 college educated

00:34:58.400 70 to 80?

00:35:00.160 Because again,

00:35:00.860 abortion,

00:35:01.260 to your point,

00:35:01.920 I don't think

00:35:02.480 they're getting abortions.

00:35:04.560 Yeah,

00:35:04.960 they're watching

00:35:05.840 MSNBC and Rachel Maddow

00:35:07.520 and they are BLM

00:35:09.360 and they are,

00:35:10.560 listen,

00:35:10.940 the baby boomer generation

00:35:12.620 was the very,

00:35:13.740 it was the second

00:35:14.340 most progressive generation

00:35:15.780 to millennials.

00:35:16.800 I mean,

00:35:17.500 they are a progressive generation.

00:35:20.100 And if your entire life

00:35:23.300 is basically politics,

00:35:24.680 which I mean,

00:35:25.480 for a lot of women

00:35:27.160 in their 70s and 80s

00:35:28.440 who either A,

00:35:28.980 don't have husbands

00:35:29.740 because they passed away

00:35:30.680 or they never married

00:35:31.680 or they don't have children

00:35:34.440 or grandchildren

00:35:35.080 because their millennial children

00:35:36.400 never had children,

00:35:38.000 politics becomes a bigger

00:35:39.360 and bigger and bigger issue

00:35:40.380 in your life.

00:35:41.200 And what we saw

00:35:43.120 in the other thing

00:35:44.620 that came out on Monday,

00:35:45.720 which I wrote about

00:35:46.220 for the National Poppins News

00:35:47.160 that are David Shores thing,

00:35:49.220 David Shores' big piece on data

00:35:51.560 was that people

00:35:52.740 who paid attention

00:35:53.780 to politics a lot

00:35:55.240 voted very,

00:35:56.340 very heavily

00:35:56.860 to Kamala Harris

00:35:57.520 and people who got their news

00:35:58.640 from mainstream media outlets.

00:36:00.340 If you look at the average CNN

00:36:01.460 or MSNBC viewer,

00:36:02.680 they are over the age

00:36:03.500 of 70 years old.

00:36:04.560 They are 70 year olds,

00:36:05.920 usually college educated

00:36:07.160 or not college educated,

00:36:08.100 but mostly college educated

00:36:08.920 white women

00:36:09.600 who obsess about politics.

00:36:11.520 It is their religion.

00:36:12.460 It's their QVC.

00:36:13.900 It's the children

00:36:15.800 that they didn't have

00:36:16.440 or the grandchildren

00:36:16.880 they didn't have.

00:36:17.460 It becomes their whole world

00:36:18.980 and that's why

00:36:20.200 it's become so toxic

00:36:23.220 and they also fall in line

00:36:24.540 on every issue.

00:36:25.660 They're not only for BLM,

00:36:27.180 they have long COVID.

00:36:28.340 They don't only have long COVID,

00:36:29.880 they need to protect abortion rights.

00:36:31.460 They don't only need

00:36:31.940 to protect abortion rights.

00:36:32.860 They need to protect trans rights

00:36:34.180 in Angola

00:36:35.040 through the USAID.

00:36:37.240 Every single,

00:36:37.880 tyranny is on the run

00:36:40.740 every single second

00:36:41.900 of every single day

00:36:42.860 if you hear them.

00:36:44.040 It's exhausting

00:36:45.140 to live that way

00:36:46.100 but that's the second biggest group

00:36:48.380 outside of like

00:36:49.160 late 20, early 30s.

00:36:50.320 It's not abortion.

00:36:51.160 It's just straight up ideology

00:36:52.560 and perhaps because

00:36:54.220 they live in such

00:36:55.420 comfortable environments,

00:36:56.420 suburbs,

00:36:57.340 wealthy parts of cities,

00:36:58.560 they don't have to worry

00:36:59.180 about crime

00:36:59.780 or the fact that

00:37:01.980 they don't have money

00:37:02.720 coming in the next month.

00:37:03.760 They're probably living

00:37:04.480 pretty comfortably.

00:37:05.200 So, Ryan,

00:37:07.860 I wanted to ask you

00:37:08.640 about this

00:37:09.400 slew of people

00:37:11.760 including Gail King,

00:37:13.140 Nancy Pelosi

00:37:13.760 and others

00:37:14.340 who are really giving

00:37:15.880 Schumer some rough stuff.

00:37:17.260 Is this just about

00:37:18.440 the CR

00:37:19.360 that he went along with

00:37:21.240 so that the government

00:37:21.900 didn't shut down?

00:37:22.760 I mean,

00:37:22.920 we could expect that

00:37:23.960 or is this

00:37:25.060 going deeper

00:37:26.060 to the power struggle

00:37:27.060 within the Democrat Party

00:37:28.320 right now?

00:37:29.020 And if so,

00:37:30.420 who is angling

00:37:31.580 to take over

00:37:32.820 what feels like

00:37:33.740 a ship

00:37:34.720 that has sprung

00:37:35.420 many leaks

00:37:36.220 over at

00:37:36.880 Democrat land?

00:37:38.640 Well,

00:37:39.220 I think the fact

00:37:39.940 that not only did he

00:37:40.520 vote for the CR

00:37:41.200 but he left

00:37:42.100 vulnerable House

00:37:43.340 Democrats,

00:37:44.380 I mean,

00:37:44.960 they all voted against it

00:37:46.540 except for Jared Golden

00:37:47.540 up in Maine 2nd.

00:37:48.840 You have a dozen Democrats

00:37:50.300 who live in Trump districts

00:37:51.820 who just voted

00:37:52.640 to shut down the government

00:37:53.800 and they just voted

00:37:54.980 against all the things

00:37:56.100 that that means,

00:37:56.880 all the funding

00:37:57.580 for military

00:37:58.820 and veterans

00:37:59.540 and seniors

00:38:00.320 and everything

00:38:01.200 and there will be

00:38:02.120 a campaign commercial

00:38:03.060 coming to every one

00:38:04.300 of those districts

00:38:04.960 in a few,

00:38:05.580 in the next year

00:38:06.180 in 13 months

00:38:07.360 or 15 months

00:38:07.940 saying,

00:38:08.960 you know,

00:38:10.220 insert Democrat here,

00:38:11.640 voted to shut down

00:38:12.620 your government

00:38:13.200 and suspend your,

00:38:14.620 you know,

00:38:15.080 payments to your veterans.

00:38:16.460 That is going to hurt them

00:38:17.980 and it's going to be

00:38:18.480 so toxic

00:38:19.300 and it makes them

00:38:19.980 look like they can't govern

00:38:21.080 and, you know,

00:38:21.980 they say they didn't

00:38:22.460 get anything out of it.

00:38:23.200 They got the old Biden budget.

00:38:24.440 I mean,

00:38:24.580 there was like,

00:38:24.920 I think,

00:38:25.100 10 billion in cuts.

00:38:26.280 There was nothing

00:38:26.840 really in cuts,

00:38:27.640 substantial,

00:38:28.560 but it makes them

00:38:29.400 look bad,

00:38:29.960 it makes them

00:38:30.240 look like they can't govern

00:38:31.060 and who replaces Schumer?

00:38:33.000 I don't know.

00:38:33.940 It used to be

00:38:34.660 with like Dick Durbin.

00:38:35.600 He's 83.

00:38:36.660 He's on his way out.

00:38:38.220 It won't be Bernie.

00:38:39.400 I mean,

00:38:39.860 Elizabeth Warren is 76.

00:38:41.640 It'd have to be somebody

00:38:42.480 who can bring in

00:38:43.180 a lot of money

00:38:44.380 because that's really

00:38:45.260 a big part of the job

00:38:46.400 as being leaders

00:38:47.140 who can raise

00:38:47.720 a lot of money.

00:38:49.280 It's not like

00:38:49.560 Kirsten Gillibrand.

00:38:50.420 They have a big,

00:38:51.160 big issue.

00:38:51.620 Who is the best?

00:38:52.460 Who is the best fundraiser,

00:38:53.880 Ryan?

00:38:53.980 Because you'd actually know this

00:38:54.840 and I'm just curious

00:38:55.480 because you're,

00:38:56.180 who's the best Democrat fundraiser now

00:38:58.240 who's under 65.

00:39:01.080 The best fundraiser

00:39:02.260 on the Republican side

00:39:04.100 is,

00:39:04.640 I think,

00:39:05.240 I'm pretty sure

00:39:05.800 it's Tim Scott

00:39:07.060 for sure

00:39:07.660 on the Senate side.

00:39:08.960 Tim Scott's

00:39:09.300 the best fundraiser.

00:39:10.520 On the Democratic side,

00:39:11.920 I believe it's Schumer

00:39:12.940 and his PACs.

00:39:13.840 Schumer and his PACs

00:39:14.500 raise over $100 million

00:39:15.900 a year.

00:39:17.060 But I'm talking about

00:39:17.760 the younger generation.

00:39:18.740 Is there anybody

00:39:19.400 who's already starting

00:39:20.640 to...

00:39:21.020 AOC.

00:39:22.100 AOC for sure.

00:39:22.880 Cori Bush

00:39:23.400 who's right.

00:39:23.700 AOC.

00:39:25.220 Yeah,

00:39:25.620 AOC raises

00:39:26.180 a bucket loads of money.

00:39:27.740 Yeah,

00:39:27.900 and she usually

00:39:28.340 gives it all away.

00:39:30.020 We're talking

00:39:30.800 to Ryan Gerdusky.

00:39:32.200 Ryan,

00:39:33.100 I love the data

00:39:34.200 that you bring to bear.

00:39:35.700 Encourage people

00:39:36.180 to check out

00:39:36.660 your podcast.

00:39:37.960 The data reflects

00:39:39.180 that Trump

00:39:40.140 did not actually

00:39:41.440 do better

00:39:42.060 with white voters,

00:39:43.120 right?

00:39:43.400 The white voters

00:39:44.240 from like 2016

00:39:45.380 to 2024

00:39:46.320 have stayed

00:39:47.420 basically similar

00:39:48.780 and that,

00:39:49.960 in fact,

00:39:50.200 moved a little bit

00:39:51.080 Democrat maybe,

00:39:52.080 but that the reason

00:39:53.360 why Trump won

00:39:54.240 in all 50 states,

00:39:55.480 black,

00:39:55.880 Hispanic,

00:39:56.520 Asian support rising.

00:39:58.840 I'm curious,

00:39:59.940 is that Trump?

00:40:00.920 Yeah.

00:40:01.660 Is that Trump's support

00:40:03.040 you think

00:40:03.560 as we look ahead

00:40:04.500 to 26 and 28,

00:40:06.760 how much of that

00:40:07.660 do you think

00:40:08.040 is attributable

00:40:08.700 to Trump himself

00:40:09.980 as opposed

00:40:11.120 to the Republican Party?

00:40:12.500 In other words,

00:40:13.700 does that movement

00:40:14.520 continue if it's

00:40:15.580 J.D. Vance

00:40:16.220 or someone like that

00:40:17.320 or is Trump

00:40:17.940 a unique political unicorn

00:40:19.380 in that respect?

00:40:20.380 So this is the episode

00:40:23.160 for a Numbers Game podcast

00:40:24.680 that's coming out

00:40:25.400 next Monday.

00:40:26.180 I'm super excited

00:40:26.780 about this data

00:40:27.340 comes from David Shore,

00:40:28.460 who's a Democrat,

00:40:29.780 a data scientist.

00:40:30.420 He's brilliant,

00:40:31.240 very, very smart.

00:40:32.100 His data,

00:40:32.820 and he did a really

00:40:33.560 deep dive

00:40:33.940 on not only

00:40:34.600 exit polling,

00:40:36.380 but where people

00:40:37.460 were voting

00:40:37.980 and looking at voting

00:40:38.740 files.

00:40:40.480 What happened was

00:40:41.500 between 2016

00:40:42.300 and 2020,

00:40:43.460 Trump lost

00:40:44.320 about 1%

00:40:45.160 to 2%

00:40:46.000 of the white vote

00:40:46.920 in between

00:40:47.380 those two elections.

00:40:48.440 He gained

00:40:49.040 all that back

00:40:49.920 in 2024.

00:40:51.520 So there were

00:40:52.200 Trump or

00:40:53.300 Gary Johnson,

00:40:54.700 Biden,

00:40:55.400 Trump voters.

00:40:56.220 There was that swing.

00:40:57.680 Basically,

00:40:58.160 all the people

00:40:58.660 who voted for

00:40:58.980 Gary Johnson

00:40:59.720 instead of Hillary

00:41:00.400 and then voted

00:41:00.900 for Biden

00:41:01.380 came back to Trump.

00:41:03.300 That was worth

00:41:05.140 1.5%

00:41:06.720 of his three-point

00:41:07.900 national game.

00:41:08.880 Half came

00:41:09.540 from white people.

00:41:10.720 The other half

00:41:11.600 came from minorities.

00:41:14.180 He didn't gain

00:41:14.680 that much with blacks.

00:41:15.600 It was a small amount.

00:41:16.420 The biggest was

00:41:16.940 black conservatives.

00:41:17.800 He gained about

00:41:18.080 eight points

00:41:18.680 over the course

00:41:19.220 of the last eight years.

00:41:20.380 But among

00:41:20.780 Hispanic moderates,

00:41:22.240 he gained 23 points.

00:41:24.140 In 2016,

00:41:25.060 Hillary won 81%

00:41:26.360 of Hispanic moderates.

00:41:27.620 Trump won 50,

00:41:28.480 sorry,

00:41:29.100 Kamala won 58%

00:41:30.480 eight years later.

00:41:31.500 So from 81 to 58.

00:41:33.620 The other part

00:41:34.240 was Asian moderates.

00:41:35.800 Hillary won 78,

00:41:37.060 Kamala won 67,

00:41:38.240 a double-digit drop

00:41:39.460 among moderates

00:41:40.780 in the Asian community.

00:41:42.200 Is this a Trump thing?

00:41:43.380 Partially,

00:41:43.920 but it's part

00:41:44.420 of a larger

00:41:45.240 national story.

00:41:46.800 In England,

00:41:47.460 you see the conservative

00:41:48.240 party doing better

00:41:49.360 among minorities.

00:41:50.640 In Canada,

00:41:51.400 you see the conservatives

00:41:52.500 doing better

00:41:52.880 among minorities.

00:41:53.760 It is a thing

00:41:54.480 along the entire West

00:41:56.000 where you've started

00:41:56.860 seeing part of minority,

00:41:58.820 part of minority coalition,

00:42:00.540 vote their ideology

00:42:01.700 instead of their race,

00:42:02.820 which they usually vote

00:42:03.620 their race

00:42:04.020 over their ideology.

00:42:05.240 Is it a Trump thing?

00:42:06.220 That's a great question.

00:42:07.880 Actually,

00:42:08.440 Trump was more

00:42:09.000 of a deterrent

00:42:09.880 than a supplier

00:42:11.300 of this.

00:42:11.860 The people

00:42:13.140 who don't trust

00:42:14.040 the Democratic Party

00:42:15.260 is higher

00:42:16.420 than the people

00:42:17.180 who voted for Trump.

00:42:18.020 Had everybody

00:42:19.260 been forced to vote,

00:42:22.220 David Shore's estimate

00:42:23.240 is that Trump

00:42:23.740 wouldn't have won

00:42:24.260 by 1.7%.

00:42:25.860 He would have won

00:42:27.280 by 5%.

00:42:28.600 Because when you ask

00:42:29.920 on issues

00:42:30.700 like everything

00:42:31.620 from AI

00:42:32.400 to poverty

00:42:34.340 to not only

00:42:35.520 just the economy

00:42:36.240 and immigration,

00:42:37.500 but student loans,

00:42:39.260 they trust Republicans

00:42:40.780 way more than Democrats.

00:42:42.580 The only issue

00:42:43.480 Democrats have

00:42:44.180 a sizable advantage

00:42:45.180 that people care

00:42:46.060 on an issue

00:42:46.420 that people care about

00:42:47.240 is health care.

00:42:48.420 That is the only issue

00:42:50.060 that they have

00:42:51.120 over Republicans.

00:42:52.440 On everything else,

00:42:53.240 they have a deep,

00:42:54.160 deep distrust

00:42:55.300 of the Democratic Party.

00:42:57.080 And I'll say one more thing.

00:42:58.200 Voters who got

00:42:58.940 their information

00:42:59.880 from social media

00:43:00.960 were much more inclined

00:43:02.640 to vote for Trump.

00:43:03.480 The biggest group,

00:43:04.480 the biggest demographic

00:43:05.340 to vote for Trump,

00:43:06.540 according to the

00:43:06.960 David Shore data,

00:43:08.100 white men

00:43:08.720 under the age of 20.

00:43:10.980 75% of white men

00:43:13.280 under 20

00:43:14.160 voted for Trump.

00:43:15.940 That is the largest

00:43:17.280 demographic

00:43:17.860 of any group ever,

00:43:19.460 more than seniors,

00:43:20.600 more than any other

00:43:21.920 racial group.

00:43:22.900 Trump won

00:43:23.600 a majority of voters

00:43:25.120 under 20

00:43:25.740 white women,

00:43:27.120 white men,

00:43:28.080 and non-white men.

00:43:29.420 The only group

00:43:30.060 under 20

00:43:30.660 that Trump lost

00:43:31.820 to Kamala Harris

00:43:32.880 were non-white women.

00:43:35.360 That's amazing, Stan.

00:43:36.760 That is amazing.

00:43:37.800 Yeah.

00:43:37.980 Do you think

00:43:38.980 that's COVID?

00:43:39.680 Yeah, it's,

00:43:39.880 it's,

00:43:40.580 yes,

00:43:41.940 it's completely COVID.

00:43:42.980 It is the lockdown

00:43:43.700 generation.

00:43:44.700 Lockdowns split

00:43:45.660 Gen Z

00:43:46.700 Zoomers in half.

00:43:48.360 So older Zoomers

00:43:49.620 who had already

00:43:50.180 gone through

00:43:50.720 the high school experience

00:43:51.880 and graduated

00:43:52.640 or were even

00:43:53.480 past college,

00:43:54.540 they are much more

00:43:55.480 liberal than those

00:43:56.240 who were locked down

00:43:57.180 and missed graduations,

00:43:58.760 games,

00:43:59.980 friends.

00:44:00.620 They were,

00:44:01.260 they were getting

00:44:01.660 all their news

00:44:02.380 on the internet

00:44:02.880 and they were coming

00:44:03.720 at a time

00:44:04.160 where the BLM riots

00:44:05.160 were happening,

00:44:05.980 that Me Too

00:44:06.600 was happening

00:44:07.200 and there was

00:44:07.900 a surge

00:44:08.440 of internet

00:44:08.860 personalities.

00:44:10.140 Everyone from

00:44:10.640 Jordan Peterson

00:44:11.460 to Ben Shapiro

00:44:12.500 to, you know,

00:44:14.160 more nefarious characters

00:44:15.180 on the internet

00:44:15.580 but nonetheless still,

00:44:16.760 they were being

00:44:17.240 inundated with information

00:44:18.540 from social media

00:44:19.560 free of the gates

00:44:21.580 that,

00:44:22.180 that the regular

00:44:22.900 media provides.

00:44:24.280 And so,

00:44:24.820 the younger generation

00:44:25.940 right now

00:44:26.240 is the most Republican,

00:44:27.880 18 to 20 year olds

00:44:28.840 in the last election

00:44:29.520 are the most Republican

00:44:31.040 generation,

00:44:32.160 according to the

00:44:32.580 David Shor data,

00:44:33.200 which I do trust,

00:44:34.540 the most Republican

00:44:35.260 generation since

00:44:36.140 the greatest generation

00:44:37.040 that fought World War II.

00:44:38.140 That is how far

00:44:39.140 right wing,

00:44:39.700 especially white men

00:44:41.300 under the age of 20,

00:44:42.720 the most Republican

00:44:43.740 generation we have seen

00:44:44.980 probably in 60 to 70 years.

00:44:47.680 Go check out more

00:44:48.860 from Ryan Gerduski

00:44:50.180 with It's a Numbers Game,

00:44:51.660 his podcast on the

00:44:52.460 Clay and Buck Network.

00:44:53.460 He does the best data

00:44:54.180 analysis of anybody

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00:44:58.400 on Substack.

00:44:59.340 Ryan,

00:44:59.800 really interesting as always,

00:45:00.880 man.

00:45:01.020 Thanks for being here.

00:45:02.600 Thank you.

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00:46:48.560 Appreciate all of you

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00:46:50.460 We are joined now

00:46:51.220 by our good friend,

00:46:52.320 Julie Kelly.

00:46:53.320 We were just talking

00:46:54.400 earlier in the program

00:46:55.840 at the top of this hour

00:46:56.940 about all of the craziness

00:46:59.420 coming from the federal

00:47:00.660 district court judges.

00:47:02.620 And Julie,

00:47:03.080 I'll start off with this.

00:47:04.740 I said that I am

00:47:05.960 somewhat optimistic

00:47:06.900 that things are going

00:47:07.760 to get better

00:47:08.460 with the judiciary

00:47:09.900 in the years ahead

00:47:11.620 because Trump won

00:47:13.180 and I think one reason

00:47:15.100 Democrats lost

00:47:16.040 was because they went

00:47:17.120 so political.

00:47:17.880 you have been covering

00:47:19.600 and they try to put him

00:47:20.500 in prison

00:47:20.920 and they try to bankrupt

00:47:21.680 him and all those things.

00:47:22.760 You've been covering

00:47:23.680 these cases like crazy.

00:47:25.600 We've never seen anything

00:47:26.580 like the resistance

00:47:27.560 that Trump is getting

00:47:28.520 from the federal district

00:47:29.500 courts right now.

00:47:31.020 Are you optimistic

00:47:31.700 in the future

00:47:32.440 or do you think

00:47:33.300 our judicial system

00:47:34.320 is just a huge pile

00:47:35.860 of steaming poo?

00:47:38.820 Well, I hate to disagree

00:47:40.200 with you,

00:47:40.960 but I'm going to go

00:47:41.920 with the latter

00:47:42.560 because, of course,

00:47:45.020 I have covered,

00:47:45.900 especially in Washington, D.C.,

00:47:47.260 and I've talked about

00:47:48.380 with you guys

00:47:49.040 what's happened

00:47:49.540 with the J-6 proceedings

00:47:51.280 in Washington

00:47:51.940 and the case

00:47:52.860 against the president.

00:47:54.960 These judges

00:47:56.040 feel impervious

00:47:57.820 and they have not

00:47:59.900 been held accountable.

00:48:01.500 When Chief Justice

00:48:02.560 John Roberts

00:48:03.420 did that really

00:48:05.000 inappropriate,

00:48:05.940 I think,

00:48:06.340 statement

00:48:06.700 about impeachment,

00:48:09.100 not his place,

00:48:10.040 number one,

00:48:10.500 the problem is not

00:48:11.780 that impeachment

00:48:12.420 is thrown around

00:48:13.640 or overused.

00:48:14.740 The problem is

00:48:15.460 that impeachment

00:48:16.340 has not been used.

00:48:18.480 I think 14 federal judges

00:48:19.920 have been impeached.

00:48:21.400 Only eight have been convicted.

00:48:23.600 Congress has completely

00:48:24.620 advocated its oversight role

00:48:26.500 of the federal judiciary.

00:48:28.420 So this is how you get

00:48:29.660 Jim Bosberg

00:48:31.320 and this is how you get

00:48:32.360 Tanya Chukkin

00:48:33.260 and Beryl Howell

00:48:34.440 and these other judges

00:48:35.960 because they know

00:48:37.200 they're not accountable.

00:48:39.020 So until these judges

00:48:40.480 are held accountable

00:48:41.860 and not by being reversed

00:48:43.180 by the Supreme Court,

00:48:44.520 I saw that in the immunity case.

00:48:46.800 I saw that in the Fisher,

00:48:48.180 the overturning

00:48:48.780 of the 1512 B2

00:48:50.380 against J-6ers.

00:48:52.800 These lower court judges

00:48:54.000 don't care.

00:48:55.580 And if they're Democrats,

00:48:56.980 they don't think

00:48:57.580 that the Supreme Court

00:48:58.380 is legitimate anyway.

00:49:00.340 So this is a serious crisis.

00:49:02.900 This is why the public's trust

00:49:04.480 in the federal judiciary

00:49:05.680 is at an all-time low.

00:49:08.180 And Republicans

00:49:08.880 who are threatening

00:49:09.740 to file articles

00:49:11.040 in some speech

00:49:11.720 when I think

00:49:12.160 some have been filed

00:49:13.120 or to strict jurisdiction

00:49:15.520 from some of the most

00:49:17.420 egregious political actors

00:49:19.060 on the bench

00:49:19.760 or simply to shut down

00:49:21.500 the D.C.

00:49:22.520 federal court system,

00:49:23.720 which I've advocated

00:49:24.620 for years.

00:49:26.080 Strong measures

00:49:26.800 need to be taken

00:49:27.620 otherwise this is going

00:49:29.040 to actually help.

00:49:29.880 It really bothers me,

00:49:32.500 Julie,

00:49:32.740 to see how much

00:49:33.740 the D.C. Circuit Court

00:49:36.600 is essentially

00:49:38.640 an extra branch

00:49:40.960 of government.

00:49:42.080 It's like the fail-safe

00:49:43.160 for the deep state, right?

00:49:44.920 They can bring any case

00:49:46.380 they want there

00:49:47.260 and they know

00:49:48.160 that unless the Supreme Court

00:49:49.340 steps in,

00:49:50.020 they'll get their way.

00:49:51.460 And this is very clear.

00:49:52.540 The fact that they didn't,

00:49:53.700 I always have to remind people

00:49:54.780 of this,

00:49:55.360 that none of the J-6

00:49:56.840 related individuals

00:49:57.800 were able to get

00:49:58.660 a different venue

00:50:02.040 for the trial.

00:50:03.220 I think even,

00:50:04.180 I think Timothy McVeigh

00:50:05.160 was given a different venue

00:50:06.360 for his trial

00:50:07.120 from Oklahoma City

00:50:08.020 if memory serves.

00:50:08.840 Like,

00:50:09.220 this is a standard thing

00:50:10.580 in the justice system

00:50:11.700 for people

00:50:12.600 if there's considered

00:50:13.460 to be a prejudiced jury

00:50:14.420 to be able to get it.

00:50:15.420 No one, right?

00:50:16.200 No one got the court

00:50:17.760 or got the jurisdiction,

00:50:19.640 the venue,

00:50:20.680 moved from D.C.

00:50:22.200 So that's very troubling.

00:50:23.560 Some of these district judges,

00:50:24.960 though,

00:50:25.060 the stuff that they've come up with,

00:50:26.280 the ones that to me

00:50:27.960 are,

00:50:28.960 well,

00:50:29.140 the turning around

00:50:29.960 of the plane

00:50:30.620 with the Trenderagua guys,

00:50:32.160 that seems to be

00:50:33.200 the most egregious,

00:50:34.020 I think,

00:50:34.440 to most of us.

00:50:35.700 But a couple of other ones,

00:50:36.740 Julie,

00:50:37.340 and you're familiar

00:50:38.300 with these different judges

00:50:39.440 I know, too,

00:50:40.140 so that's a thing.

00:50:40.820 You know who these individuals

00:50:42.940 are from covering them.

00:50:44.500 The judge who said

00:50:45.420 that you can't ban

00:50:46.920 transgenders

00:50:47.800 from serving in the military,

00:50:49.620 and now there's a judge

00:50:50.540 that I believe

00:50:51.040 has ordered the DOJ

00:50:52.700 to return men

00:50:54.680 to a women's prison

00:50:55.740 who say they're transgender?

00:50:57.220 Like,

00:50:57.440 this is just,

00:50:58.100 they're just making up laws now.

00:51:00.140 They are,

00:51:01.040 and they're completely undermining,

00:51:03.360 and these are all related

00:51:04.760 to presidential executive orders.

00:51:07.780 So what you're talking about

00:51:09.220 is Anna Reyes,

00:51:10.200 who is the first

00:51:11.020 LGBTQ,

00:51:12.380 Biden-appointed

00:51:13.240 district court judge

00:51:15.260 in Washington,

00:51:16.640 basically reversing,

00:51:18.080 vacating

00:51:18.560 the president's executive order

00:51:20.420 on transgenders

00:51:22.520 in the military,

00:51:23.540 Royce Lambert,

00:51:24.580 a Reagan appointee,

00:51:26.280 who I watched

00:51:27.360 just absolutely

00:51:28.620 throw the book

00:51:29.900 at J6ers,

00:51:31.540 throwing grandmothers

00:51:32.880 in prison

00:51:33.560 for 57 months

00:51:35.280 on the obstruction count

00:51:37.660 that was later overturned,

00:51:39.980 and he himself

00:51:41.460 rejecting the president's

00:51:43.680 executive order

00:51:44.460 and ordering the government,

00:51:46.380 us,

00:51:47.120 to pay for

00:51:47.980 hormone therapy

00:51:49.220 and transitional surgery

00:51:51.460 for these transgenders

00:51:52.980 who are in prison.

00:51:54.620 These are criminals,

00:51:55.560 right?

00:51:55.780 We're not just paying,

00:51:56.660 you know,

00:51:57.000 for whoever wants it.

00:51:58.640 They are in federal custody.

00:52:01.020 And then,

00:52:01.480 of course,

00:52:01.820 Jim Bosberg

00:52:02.580 ordering

00:52:04.260 verbally

00:52:05.300 for the Department of Justice

00:52:07.360 and DHS

00:52:07.880 to return flights

00:52:09.720 that were already

00:52:11.520 in the air

00:52:12.460 out of U.S. airspace,

00:52:14.600 very likely,

00:52:15.480 traveling over

00:52:16.340 either Mexico

00:52:17.500 or Central America,

00:52:19.420 ordering the return

00:52:20.420 of those flights

00:52:21.160 carrying known

00:52:22.560 illegal immigrants

00:52:23.800 for suspected

00:52:25.280 Venezuelan terrorists

00:52:27.040 tied to

00:52:27.820 that CDA day.

00:52:30.940 Who do these judges

00:52:32.020 think that they are?

00:52:33.800 And so now

00:52:34.400 what Bosberg

00:52:35.040 is doing

00:52:35.620 is, I think,

00:52:36.660 setting up

00:52:37.080 a contempt trap

00:52:38.040 because he was saying,

00:52:39.140 well,

00:52:39.220 I made this verbal order.

00:52:41.140 You should have

00:52:41.660 turned the planes around.

00:52:42.760 No planes should have

00:52:43.580 taken off that day

00:52:44.560 at all

00:52:45.220 because I was holding

00:52:46.840 this hearing

00:52:47.340 and this is

00:52:47.760 a temporary

00:52:48.220 restraining order

00:52:48.980 that he issued,

00:52:49.860 actually two of them,

00:52:51.340 on Saturday

00:52:52.000 that will last 14 days

00:52:53.540 and again

00:52:55.060 preventing

00:52:55.780 the president

00:52:56.540 and his team

00:52:57.460 from executing

00:52:58.300 his proclamation

00:52:59.420 over the weekend

00:53:00.860 of the

00:53:01.540 Alien Enemies Act.

00:53:05.040 So,

00:53:05.320 excuse me,

00:53:05.740 this is

00:53:06.200 very reckless,

00:53:08.700 very destructive

00:53:09.480 and dangerous.

00:53:10.320 No one should be

00:53:11.440 defending

00:53:12.080 what these judges

00:53:13.100 are doing.

00:53:14.260 Now,

00:53:14.480 of course,

00:53:14.700 all of these

00:53:15.200 are going on

00:53:15.720 appeals.

00:53:16.760 There's oral arguments

00:53:17.780 in the

00:53:18.320 Senate

00:53:18.580 Relentara case

00:53:19.640 on Monday afternoon.

00:53:20.860 I'll be covering

00:53:21.640 that live.

00:53:23.260 But I'll tell you,

00:53:24.760 as bad as I knew

00:53:25.420 these judges were

00:53:26.420 and how they

00:53:28.300 just repeatedly

00:53:29.440 denied

00:53:29.940 SharePoint due

00:53:30.520 process for J6ers,

00:53:31.860 refusing every

00:53:32.800 single case

00:53:33.500 to move

00:53:34.080 those trials

00:53:34.680 out of Washington,

00:53:35.520 D.C.,

00:53:36.320 to now see them

00:53:37.400 leap to their rescue

00:53:38.560 and allegedly

00:53:39.800 protect the

00:53:40.500 due process rights

00:53:41.960 of illegal

00:53:42.740 and suspected

00:53:43.720 gang members

00:53:44.600 from Venezuela

00:53:45.440 that posed

00:53:46.180 a legitimate threat

00:53:47.340 to this country,

00:53:48.460 not the J6ers did,

00:53:50.280 it's a pretty

00:53:51.040 head-spinning

00:53:51.820 hypocrisy.

00:53:53.120 We're talking

00:53:53.880 to Julie Kelly.

00:53:55.080 Julie,

00:53:55.480 you mentioned

00:53:55.920 the J6ers,

00:53:56.980 and when you

00:53:57.440 first started

00:53:57.920 coming on

00:53:58.400 with us

00:53:58.820 four years ago,

00:54:00.460 you were one

00:54:01.020 of the very few

00:54:01.700 people out there

00:54:02.520 actually shining

00:54:03.520 a light

00:54:04.020 on how they

00:54:04.760 were being treated.

00:54:06.200 Given the

00:54:07.140 Democrat obsession

00:54:08.260 with January 6th

00:54:09.800 and the years

00:54:10.580 that they spent

00:54:11.300 on it,

00:54:12.240 are you somewhat

00:54:13.160 surprised that

00:54:14.120 Trump came in

00:54:15.060 immediately pardoned

00:54:16.460 every January 6er

00:54:18.060 and the story

00:54:19.200 just vanished?

00:54:20.280 I mean,

00:54:20.540 isn't that kind

00:54:21.520 of interesting

00:54:22.140 because there

00:54:23.180 were all these

00:54:23.660 arguments out there,

00:54:24.620 oh,

00:54:24.840 if Trump pardons

00:54:25.680 all the J6ers,

00:54:26.880 this will be

00:54:27.260 a constitutional

00:54:28.040 crime,

00:54:28.380 and he did it,

00:54:30.000 and no one

00:54:31.060 even mentions

00:54:31.720 hardly January 6th

00:54:33.220 anymore.

00:54:33.920 Are you surprised

00:54:34.820 at how quickly

00:54:35.460 it's kind of vanished?

00:54:37.080 Yes,

00:54:37.640 I will say

00:54:38.540 that I am.

00:54:39.520 As you guys know,

00:54:40.320 I talked to the

00:54:40.880 president a few

00:54:42.100 days before

00:54:42.600 Inauguration Day,

00:54:43.600 talked to him

00:54:44.200 at length

00:54:45.120 about what

00:54:46.000 had happened

00:54:46.360 to the J6ers,

00:54:48.500 you know,

00:54:48.800 the various

00:54:49.260 pardon proposals.

00:54:50.860 He expressed

00:54:51.680 he was very

00:54:52.240 committed to

00:54:52.860 blanket pardon

00:54:53.640 with a few

00:54:54.840 exceptions,

00:54:55.560 and that's,

00:54:56.040 of course,

00:54:56.260 exactly what

00:54:57.040 he did.

00:54:58.160 And there was

00:54:58.780 some noise

00:54:59.240 about it

00:54:59.700 for,

00:55:00.160 what,

00:55:00.380 a week

00:55:00.840 or 10 days,

00:55:01.720 and then

00:55:02.340 it has

00:55:03.420 completely

00:55:04.040 disappeared.

00:55:05.280 And the Democrats

00:55:05.960 even want to

00:55:06.540 forget about

00:55:06.960 January 6th.

00:55:07.780 I think it was

00:55:08.660 Jamie Raskin

00:55:09.740 said a few

00:55:10.200 weeks ago,

00:55:10.780 oh,

00:55:11.000 can we stop

00:55:11.480 talking about

00:55:12.040 January 6th

00:55:12.880 already?

00:55:14.180 That's really

00:55:15.000 funny.

00:55:15.500 Since when?

00:55:16.320 Right.

00:55:16.960 Yeah.

00:55:17.480 But yes,

00:55:19.260 I am very

00:55:20.420 surprised,

00:55:21.700 but happily

00:55:22.920 so.

00:55:24.220 And,

00:55:24.540 you know,

00:55:25.120 it's great to

00:55:25.580 see these people

00:55:26.280 starting to pick

00:55:26.980 up the pieces

00:55:27.580 of their lives.

00:55:28.860 But,

00:55:29.340 you know,

00:55:29.760 I was reading

00:55:30.300 one of the

00:55:31.600 filings today

00:55:32.260 in the

00:55:32.480 Venezuelan

00:55:33.080 terrorism case,

00:55:33.940 and these

00:55:35.160 illegals

00:55:35.920 have

00:55:36.580 stables

00:55:37.840 of lawyers

00:55:39.640 defending

00:55:40.640 them

00:55:41.080 and fighting

00:55:42.260 the government

00:55:42.820 on behalf

00:55:43.580 of the

00:55:44.140 alleged

00:55:44.460 rights

00:55:44.820 that these

00:55:45.180 illegals

00:55:45.620 have.

00:55:46.580 And it's

00:55:47.020 really disturbing

00:55:47.800 that we saw

00:55:48.660 none of that

00:55:49.400 for American

00:55:49.940 citizens

00:55:50.600 wrongly

00:55:51.820 prosecuted

00:55:52.500 for participating

00:55:53.800 in the events

00:55:54.560 of January 6th.

00:55:55.780 I mean,

00:55:55.980 the whole legal

00:55:56.660 judicial system

00:55:58.080 is so upside

00:55:58.900 down.

00:56:00.160 Can I just

00:56:00.960 jump in really

00:56:01.380 quick,

00:56:01.640 Julie,

00:56:01.820 to say that

00:56:02.460 from my

00:56:02.880 understanding

00:56:03.240 from friends

00:56:03.780 in the legal

00:56:04.440 world,

00:56:05.340 if you defend,

00:56:06.480 like if you

00:56:06.920 would defend

00:56:07.360 Osama Bin

00:56:07.960 Laden,

00:56:09.200 obviously that

00:56:10.120 won't happen,

00:56:10.880 but if someone

00:56:11.460 could do that,

00:56:12.560 that would be

00:56:13.100 considered a

00:56:13.680 feather in their

00:56:14.240 legal cap

00:56:14.920 going forward.

00:56:15.760 They could say

00:56:16.300 it's like John

00:56:16.860 Adams defending

00:56:17.500 the Redcoats,

00:56:18.180 like everyone

00:56:18.560 deserves,

00:56:19.580 but no one

00:56:20.500 felt that way

00:56:21.420 in a lot of

00:56:22.600 the big law

00:56:23.340 firms and in

00:56:24.300 sort of the

00:56:24.620 big law world

00:56:25.540 about J6

00:56:26.460 Americans.

00:56:27.920 Yeah.

00:56:28.060 Absolutely

00:56:29.760 not.

00:56:30.240 Most of

00:56:30.620 them relied

00:56:31.740 on public

00:56:32.360 defenders.

00:56:33.520 Some of

00:56:33.840 those public

00:56:34.300 defenders were

00:56:35.120 very good,

00:56:35.840 others were

00:56:36.420 terrible,

00:56:37.400 and I saw

00:56:38.000 both sides

00:56:39.480 to that.

00:56:41.000 But going

00:56:41.340 back to

00:56:41.700 Jeb Bosberg,

00:56:42.840 I was in

00:56:43.240 a support room

00:56:43.780 in December,

00:56:44.480 the week

00:56:44.860 before Christmas.

00:56:46.080 He put a

00:56:46.720 woman who

00:56:47.300 went inside

00:56:47.780 the Capitol

00:56:48.260 for nine

00:56:48.820 minutes,

00:56:49.200 committed no

00:56:49.820 violence,

00:56:50.340 charged with

00:56:50.760 four misdemeanors.

00:56:52.120 He put her

00:56:52.920 on trial the

00:56:54.280 week before

00:56:54.880 Christmas,

00:56:55.960 before a

00:56:56.440 D.C.

00:56:56.840 jury,

00:56:57.180 jurors from

00:56:58.100 a city that

00:56:58.620 had just

00:56:59.060 voted 92%

00:57:00.180 for Kamala

00:57:00.840 Harris.

00:57:01.600 He completely

00:57:02.400 ignored her

00:57:03.660 pleas to

00:57:04.760 postpone the

00:57:05.640 trial until

00:57:06.100 after the

00:57:06.980 president was

00:57:07.440 inaugurated,

00:57:08.680 knowing that

00:57:09.460 she would be

00:57:10.020 getting a

00:57:10.400 pardon because

00:57:10.940 of course she

00:57:11.440 only had

00:57:11.920 misdemeanors,

00:57:12.700 and he denied

00:57:13.860 postponing that

00:57:15.100 trial.

00:57:15.980 Put her on

00:57:16.760 trial for

00:57:17.800 three days.

00:57:18.460 She was

00:57:18.680 immediately

00:57:19.180 convicted by

00:57:19.940 the C.C.

00:57:20.560 jury.

00:57:20.820 So that's

00:57:24.060 the mindset

00:57:24.600 of these

00:57:25.500 judges.

00:57:26.040 No due

00:57:26.460 process,

00:57:27.300 no protection

00:57:27.900 of constitutional

00:57:28.840 rights for

00:57:29.360 American citizens

00:57:30.140 because they're

00:57:30.680 Trump supporters.

00:57:32.080 But he swooped

00:57:33.180 in Saturday

00:57:34.600 as soon as he

00:57:35.660 possibly could,

00:57:37.260 ordering claims

00:57:38.120 to be turned

00:57:38.780 around,

00:57:39.700 carrying

00:57:39.940 Venezuelan

00:57:40.620 terrorists,

00:57:41.800 and now

00:57:43.040 fighting the

00:57:43.660 government for

00:57:44.360 disclosure,

00:57:45.920 details of

00:57:47.000 those deportation

00:57:47.940 rights.

00:57:50.180 I mean,

00:57:50.900 how can a

00:57:52.040 government deal

00:57:52.540 with someone

00:57:52.920 like that?

00:57:53.620 You can't.

00:57:54.980 Buck, I'm

00:57:55.660 glad you brought

00:57:56.200 that up about

00:57:57.140 the quality of

00:57:58.000 legal representation

00:57:58.760 because I remember

00:57:59.400 this was one of

00:57:59.980 the first things

00:58:00.540 we talked about

00:58:01.220 with you,

00:58:01.760 Julie, was you

00:58:02.620 were raising

00:58:03.080 money so that

00:58:03.840 the lawyers

00:58:04.380 could be better.

00:58:05.720 John Adams

00:58:06.460 defended the

00:58:08.220 Boston Massacre

00:58:09.280 British soldiers

00:58:10.480 in a pre-revolutionary

00:58:12.960 America for

00:58:14.020 people out there

00:58:14.820 that have forgotten

00:58:15.660 because it used

00:58:16.980 to be,

00:58:17.940 a basically

00:58:19.480 foundational

00:58:20.380 belief of

00:58:21.540 lawyers that

00:58:23.040 everybody deserved

00:58:23.920 the best possible

00:58:24.780 legal representation,

00:58:25.660 even people who

00:58:26.740 were accused of

00:58:27.480 heinous crimes.

00:58:28.920 And to Buck's

00:58:29.460 point, and I

00:58:29.920 know you saw

00:58:30.440 this, Julie,

00:58:31.520 everybody wants

00:58:32.300 to line up.

00:58:32.960 I've got friends

00:58:33.740 who worked on

00:58:34.440 9-11 prosecutions.

00:58:36.220 The people who

00:58:37.080 were involved in

00:58:37.920 flying planes into

00:58:39.080 our buildings have

00:58:40.500 elite representation.

00:58:43.400 Look, I don't

00:58:44.800 begrudge that because

00:58:46.040 I think that is the

00:58:47.140 American system of

00:58:48.180 justice.

00:58:48.740 But Julie, just to

00:58:50.200 kind of finish here,

00:58:51.760 how many elite

00:58:52.780 lawyers were

00:58:53.620 willing to step

00:58:54.480 forward and

00:58:55.480 volunteer their

00:58:56.340 time to rep the

00:58:57.380 J-6ers?

00:58:58.360 There were no

00:58:59.500 elite white shoe

00:59:00.760 law firms that

00:59:01.600 stepped up to

00:59:02.640 defend a single

00:59:03.800 J-6er, not one.

00:59:06.000 Again, there were

00:59:06.640 some very good

00:59:07.300 lawyers, some that

00:59:08.340 were retained

00:59:08.820 privately, most that

00:59:10.080 were court-appointed

00:59:10.920 or public defenders,

00:59:11.960 lawyers, but not

00:59:13.320 a single.

00:59:14.540 You see all of

00:59:15.520 these law firms

00:59:16.340 lined up, not

00:59:17.120 just defending

00:59:18.240 these terrorists,

00:59:19.080 but fighting the

00:59:20.500 Trump administration

00:59:21.220 on anything.

00:59:22.000 These are all

00:59:22.700 big-name law firms.

00:59:23.980 None of them

00:59:25.280 stepped up for

00:59:26.000 American citizens

00:59:26.980 because they

00:59:28.700 considered them

00:59:29.640 terrorists.

00:59:30.500 You know, the

00:59:30.800 Venezuelan gang

00:59:31.560 members with

00:59:32.200 tattoos all over

00:59:33.100 the place who

00:59:34.680 have suspected

00:59:35.640 ties to TDA,

00:59:36.680 they're not

00:59:37.020 terrorists.

00:59:37.440 They're victims.

00:59:39.000 But you walk

00:59:39.940 inside the Capitol

00:59:40.640 for nine minutes,

00:59:41.680 commit no violence,

00:59:43.160 and you have the

00:59:43.880 chief judge of the

00:59:44.680 D.C. District

00:59:45.280 Corp putting you

00:59:46.000 on trial in the

00:59:46.700 most Democratic

00:59:47.280 city in the

00:59:48.280 country for a

00:59:49.040 quick conviction.

00:59:51.680 So, no, none

00:59:52.780 of them did.

00:59:53.300 So shame on

00:59:53.900 these law firms.

00:59:54.660 And this is why

00:59:55.180 I'm so glad to

00:59:56.100 see the president

00:59:56.740 doing what he

00:59:58.100 can to vilify

01:00:00.020 these law firms,

01:00:01.000 strip them of

01:00:01.620 security clearances,

01:00:02.680 access to

01:00:03.280 documents and

01:00:03.900 buildings, and

01:00:05.120 doing, yes,

01:00:06.020 damage to their

01:00:06.760 business because

01:00:07.420 that's exactly

01:00:08.240 what they deserve.

01:00:09.680 Julie, keep up

01:00:10.620 the good work.

01:00:11.440 Look forward to

01:00:11.920 talking to you

01:00:12.400 again, and thank

01:00:13.200 you for the last

01:00:13.840 four years.

01:00:14.560 How awesome you've

01:00:15.340 been talking to us

01:00:16.100 and keeping us

01:00:16.560 updated on all

01:00:17.260 this.

01:00:18.120 You guys are

01:00:18.720 awesome for always

01:00:19.460 having me on.

01:00:20.100 Thank you so much.

01:00:21.180 Talk to you soon.

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