Verdict with Ted Cruz - BONUS： The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show - Daily Review Mar 25 2025

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00:00:05.220 Welcome in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:09.200 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us

00:00:12.220 as we are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program.

00:00:16.220 I promise that all my texts are going to the right people.

00:00:19.440 As we begin with the story of the day,

00:00:23.400 so you know, by the way,

00:00:24.780 a part of me feels like I should just bail on the show right now, Buck,

00:00:29.060 because we have Dr. Laura, famous Dr. Laura.

00:00:33.700 Is it Schlesinger? Is that her last name?

00:00:36.200 I think if I'm not mistaken, many of you know Dr. Laura.

00:00:39.440 She's a relationship expert.

00:00:42.200 Producer Allie sent messages to our wives saying, 0.83

00:00:47.400 hey, can you potentially fill out, you know,

00:00:50.040 do a 30-second talkback question for Dr. Laura, relationship expert.

00:00:54.960 I am told that my wife said 30 seconds is not enough

00:00:59.140 and sent in a two-minute-long question,

00:01:01.280 and a part of me feels like,

00:01:03.880 Buck, I should just wave right now and just go ahead and leave.

00:01:08.020 I have no idea what the question that my wife sent in was, 1.00

00:01:11.760 but she needed two minutes instead of 30 seconds.

00:01:15.320 So, anyway, that's hour two.

00:01:19.780 Our only guest today, Dr. Laura,

00:01:21.700 featuring a question from my wife, Laura,

00:01:24.340 and your wife, Carrie, like, wanted less,

00:01:27.480 had less, she hasn't been married 20 years,

00:01:29.820 but she has written a question, correct, for Dr. Laura?

00:01:33.460 She preferred to just write it out,

00:01:34.960 and I will read the question to Dr. Laura.

00:01:37.540 So both of our wives took different pathways on this one. 1.00

00:01:41.500 I would just say, though, the reason I know,

00:01:42.860 I did not, I had heard of Dr. Laura before.

00:01:45.280 I know she had a very big show for a long time on radio,

00:01:48.180 but it's because sometimes my wife, 0.99

00:01:50.640 like, right after we got married, for example,

00:01:53.740 you know, Carrie would, I would come home,

00:01:56.480 or there'd be dinner on the table,

00:01:58.040 and she would say things like,

00:01:59.120 well, you know, Dr. Laura says,

00:02:00.740 and I noticed this trend of,

00:02:02.200 whenever Carrie would say Dr. Laura says 0.99

00:02:04.220 about a relationship, I was like,

00:02:05.820 yeah, that's good, I like that, that's good.

00:02:07.880 So you are, you think she gives good advice in general

00:02:10.900 based on your experience?

00:02:12.080 Excellent advice.

00:02:13.640 From my own experience of a wife

00:02:15.340 who's been listening to Dr. Laura for many, many years,

00:02:18.740 everything that she has picked up from Dr. Laura,

00:02:21.460 including some of the tough love stuff,

00:02:23.600 is, you know, for the audience, is very solid.

00:02:27.120 Well, I'm excited for that.

00:02:28.460 That is hour two.

00:02:29.720 Speaking of tough love.

00:02:31.140 All right.

00:02:31.720 So, newest story, if you have not heard,

00:02:35.820 is that as we prepared to bomb the Hooties, 0.87

00:02:38.720 which, by the way,

00:02:40.440 I think was totally the right decision

00:02:42.140 to try to free up shipping lanes

00:02:43.780 and send a message to Ron,

00:02:46.340 there was a group chat,

00:02:48.440 based on my research, Buck,

00:02:49.940 you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of these facts,

00:02:52.060 I think there were 18 people involved in a group chat

00:02:55.220 on the Signal app,

00:02:57.280 which is designed to be a high privacy way

00:03:02.280 to basically send text messages

00:03:04.440 outside of doing so from a regular cell phone network

00:03:09.580 or an Apple cell phone network.

00:03:11.900 I would imagine most of you probably are sending text messages

00:03:16.280 and if you have an Apple phone or an Apple device,

00:03:19.580 they're blue.

00:03:20.680 If you're sending outside of the Apple universe,

00:03:23.080 they're green.

00:03:24.120 I don't know.

00:03:24.480 What do you think?

00:03:25.040 Maybe 10% of our audience has downloaded the Signal app.

00:03:28.220 The Signal app, I have it on my phone,

00:03:30.500 is sometimes ways that people,

00:03:33.060 I've noticed it in media in particular,

00:03:35.560 that want to communicate things,

00:03:38.280 but they don't want to send them on a traditional text message network

00:03:42.800 because they're concerned about somebody else surveilling them

00:03:46.980 for lack of a better way to describe this.

00:03:49.140 Now, it has end-to-end encryption.

00:03:51.100 It's considered one of the better platforms

00:03:53.300 for privacy and security out there,

00:03:55.540 but there's what's good for your privacy and security

00:03:59.040 versus what a nation-state entity

00:04:02.580 can break into and can surveil, right?

00:04:06.000 So it's one thing for you and me to sit here and say,

00:04:08.920 well, I'm not worried about some random hacker

00:04:11.740 getting our information.

00:04:12.780 It's a different thing to say,

00:04:13.860 can the Chinese Communist Party's intelligence apparatus

00:04:17.540 get our information?

00:04:18.540 That's the question.

00:04:20.360 So in this, I believe it was 18 people,

00:04:24.160 accidentally, this is unfortunate,

00:04:26.800 it appears National Security Advisor Mike Waltz

00:04:30.000 added Jonah Goldberg,

00:04:32.780 who is the editor of The Atlantic,

00:04:35.140 and in general,

00:04:38.100 probably there are a lot of people you could have added.

00:04:41.120 The editor of Atlantic to this group chat

00:04:45.200 was not the person that you wanted to add.

00:04:48.080 And now that the price of eggs are back to normal,

00:04:50.560 remember that talking point,

00:04:52.080 and now that the stock market,

00:04:53.720 S&P 500 at least,

00:04:55.380 is back above where it was on election day,

00:04:59.160 they need a new talking point for Trump is awful,

00:05:01.940 and the new talking point is this encryption failure.

00:05:06.180 Did you say it's Jeffrey Goldberg?

00:05:08.680 What did I call him?

00:05:09.600 I think you said Jonah,

00:05:10.700 who has made jokes about how he is not Jeffrey Goldberg.

00:05:13.620 Jonah Goldberg is a different media Goldberg.

00:05:16.480 I thought you were making a joke there.

00:05:18.040 I was waiting for you to point this out.

00:05:19.920 It's Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic.

00:05:21.680 My bad.

00:05:22.280 Not the actor from the big short.

00:05:25.380 No.

00:05:26.080 Is that the wrong guy, too?

00:05:27.320 That's Jonah Hill.

00:05:28.080 That's a different clay.

00:05:29.440 Get your Goldberg straight.

00:05:31.260 I am out to lunch here already on the start.

00:05:35.400 Anyway, this guy is the editor.

00:05:37.180 He's not a movie star.

00:05:38.660 He is not a fat person who has the same name Jonah

00:05:41.320 that got skinny and then got fat again

00:05:43.260 because his career collapsed when he got too skinny.

00:05:45.860 This is not Jonah Hill,

00:05:47.380 not Jonah Goldberg.

00:05:48.800 Jeffrey Goldberg, editor at The Atlantic.

00:05:51.280 All right.

00:05:51.540 So he is on this text thread

00:05:54.040 and he decides that he's going to write

00:05:57.440 about the security failure for The Atlantic.

00:06:01.520 Does it yesterday afternoon,

00:06:03.180 about time our show ended.

00:06:04.860 And so it has been the biggest story

00:06:06.360 in the last 24 hours.

00:06:07.480 Okay.

00:06:07.960 So clearly I'm not the intelligence expert here.

00:06:11.120 Let me go to you first, Buck.

00:06:13.720 Like we know Pete, we know JD,

00:06:15.760 we know probably most of the people on this text thread.

00:06:18.140 You certainly know everybody probably on this text.

00:06:20.960 Yes.

00:06:21.580 And then some of these individuals are friends of ours

00:06:24.920 and we just say that by way of disclosure

00:06:27.020 or there are people that we are friends with,

00:06:29.700 have socialized with.

00:06:30.800 So I'm going to be as unbiased as I can in this situation.

00:06:34.420 Right.

00:06:34.560 But when I'm talking about someone like Pete or Tulsi,

00:06:36.980 they're friends, they're patriots.

00:06:39.200 I know where their heart is.

00:06:40.220 I know what they're trying to do for the country.

00:06:42.040 And so I comment everything from that perspective first.

00:06:44.820 But let me just, I'll back into this, Clay, for a second.

00:06:47.260 First off, I don't want to help the Democrats in any way

00:06:51.120 in this moment in time by giving them more than they should have

00:06:54.580 in terms of political ammunition.

00:06:56.940 All right.

00:06:57.080 So that's, we are cognizant of that here.

00:06:59.140 It was, as you mentioned, the price of eggs.

00:07:01.240 Oh, the price of eggs.

00:07:02.200 Oh, the stock market.

00:07:03.080 Now it's all national security.

00:07:04.640 Please.

00:07:05.500 They need to calm down, take a step back,

00:07:07.520 and recognize that the situation they're in right now

00:07:11.300 as a political entity, the Democrats are in this situation

00:07:14.460 because their party went insane,

00:07:16.080 and they deserve exactly what they're going through right now.

00:07:19.660 The sort of excruciating humiliation of Trump doing all the things

00:07:24.180 that he's doing to better the country.

00:07:26.140 Okay.

00:07:26.980 They should like it, but they don't.

00:07:28.380 They find it humiliating.

00:07:29.720 National security and classification.

00:07:32.020 Classification is broken down by the expected possible harm

00:07:37.420 that could be done due to unauthorized disclosure.

00:07:40.740 So I think that's an important foundational understanding of this, right, Clay?

00:07:45.040 So when you talk about confidential, secret, top secret, compartmented,

00:07:49.440 these things exist.

00:07:51.520 They're separated based upon the sensitivity generally of the sources

00:07:56.420 and methods of the collection, right?

00:07:58.620 So if some guy on the street somewhere shares his opinion about whether

00:08:03.900 there's going to be like another Arab Spring Revolution, 0.91

00:08:06.620 that's going to be confidential maybe because if he told it to people

00:08:09.760 in a public forum but you don't want his name to be out there too much

00:08:12.740 or, you know, he said it out in public.

00:08:14.440 Anyway, you go all the way up the chain.

00:08:16.080 If we have some super secret squirrel laser from outer space

00:08:21.040 that could zap all of the information they have in, like, the Kremlin,

00:08:25.400 okay, well, that's going to be very high level.

00:08:26.940 So the stuff that I have seen so far that they have talked about here,

00:08:31.680 we have to keep in mind that Pete and others have said it's not classified.

00:08:37.320 And now here's the thing.

00:08:38.720 I don't think that they would lie about that because it's something that Jeffrey Goldberg, 0.99

00:08:45.860 Jeffrey Goldberg could make them look particularly foolish and dishonest 0.92

00:08:50.320 on top of everything if they said, oh, this isn't classified, 0.96

00:08:54.340 and then he shares the screenshots, which I'm sure he has,

00:08:56.820 he's already shared some, that shows it is clearly classified.

00:09:00.460 This information did not get out before these strikes were taken.

00:09:04.220 So from a national security harm perspective, there was no harm.

00:09:09.180 Let's start with that.

00:09:10.300 There was no harm.

00:09:12.040 And, you know, Jeffrey Goldberg, I think, recognized,

00:09:14.440 you are an American, like, this is important stuff.

00:09:17.380 Do not mess with an impending military strike because you think it will get more clicks.

00:09:21.540 That is just, that is true.

00:09:23.080 That is fair, right?

00:09:23.900 He didn't try to, and sometimes journalists really do,

00:09:27.420 like the New York Times has done things in the past where I've said,

00:09:29.660 they are sabotaging American national security.

00:09:31.740 I do not think that that happened here.

00:09:33.640 And I think that that's to all of our benefit.

00:09:35.860 And I'm not sure that it could have happened because I'm not sure that the information

00:09:38.700 that could have been shared would have been sensitive enough to change things around.

00:09:42.660 So nothing bad happened here in terms of U.S. national security.

00:09:47.600 The harm was non-realized.

00:09:52.280 Whether it could have been realized or not is a question whether there was anything classified in there.

00:09:55.920 Okay, Clay, then we get to the next part of this, which is operational security, OPSEC.

00:10:00.360 This is a blunder, obviously.

00:10:03.040 There's no way around that.

00:10:04.480 You don't want a journalist that you don't know is on the text thread getting access to anything

00:10:10.620 that you're talking about as a senior policy official.

00:10:13.460 So this is where Trump has already come out and said there was a lesson learned here,

00:10:18.400 and, you know, we're going to tighten things up going forward.

00:10:21.420 This is not the, oh my gosh, Watergate moment that the media is pretending that it is

00:10:27.520 because they want to attack the administration.

00:10:29.540 I got still a lot of questions because I'm a regular, you know, sort of not super sophisticated person

00:10:38.700 when it comes to sharing information like this.

00:10:42.460 So let me ask you this question, and I think we can probably take some of the questions from listeners

00:10:47.360 because you're an expert in this.

00:10:49.620 How much of this buck is about the fact that it's very difficult to get all of these people in one room

00:10:56.760 when they're presumably traveling all over the world?

00:11:00.600 And shouldn't we have a method of communication, given that these guys, for the most part, are around our age?

00:11:07.860 People like you and me and a lot of people our age are used to communicating on rapid fashion

00:11:14.280 in these group text chains, whether it's serious things or not serious things.

00:11:18.600 And to me, it oftentimes, I would think, would be difficult to get everybody on secure lines

00:11:26.700 so that 18 people all over the world could have a conversation about this.

00:11:31.020 Does that make sense?

00:11:31.660 This is where, yeah, absolutely.

00:11:32.780 This is where operational security comes in.

00:11:35.320 And I will say, at my time in the CIA, this was taken incredibly seriously and with good reason

00:11:41.600 because we were doing, we, the U.S. government, maybe we, the CIA, who knows,

00:11:47.140 we were doing drone strikes.

00:11:49.680 We were doing operational hits on high-value tar.

00:11:52.540 I mean, you know, we were doing takedowns of cells that were going to try to blow up a whole bunch of planes.

00:11:57.660 I mean, there was, and we knew about that stuff before it was happening, right?

00:12:01.120 If we're working with a partner nation, if JSOC is going to go in and do a raid,

00:12:05.120 I mean, look at something like the Bin Laden raid, for example.

00:12:07.260 So there was a need for operational security at a very high level.

00:12:10.600 And we understood that.

00:12:12.820 Everybody is always their own, really, first and last line of classification in reality,

00:12:18.080 meaning, I'm not saying that that's technically true,

00:12:20.200 but meaning you determine in all of your communications,

00:12:23.400 if I'm talking to somebody on the phone and I'm not being careful,

00:12:26.680 I could bleed over into classified talk instantaneously, right?

00:12:30.240 So it's on everybody to be protecting sensitive information all the time who has access to it

00:12:36.520 because there's no such thing as I'm only, this, I think, goes to your question, Clay,

00:12:39.980 I'm only operating on the high side.

00:12:41.940 I'm only operating on classified networks.

00:12:44.460 No, you have to be taking phone calls.

00:12:46.840 You have to be calling your wife or your husband and saying,

00:12:49.320 I'm going to be home late tonight, honey, right?

00:12:50.640 So you're always going to be interacting in the low side, the high side, classified and unclassified world.

00:12:56.580 Did they bleed over a little too much here?

00:12:59.120 That's part of, that's a question that people are fighting over right now.

00:13:04.080 I haven't really seen much to suggest that they did.

00:13:08.200 And again, I think that they, this isn't like they can get away with lying about it

00:13:12.220 because Goldberg would have had the screenshots.

00:13:15.540 But do you want, there's more here.

00:13:17.000 Yeah, I want to, I just, I have a layman's knowledge here and I actually just have a lot of questions.

00:13:22.840 I also think there are people out there, if you know that you are on a group chat that you shouldn't be on,

00:13:30.580 shouldn't you leave it or tell people, hey, like the fact that he stayed on this thing

00:13:35.660 and allowed all these text messages to come in seems suspect to me as well.

00:13:40.520 Well, absolutely.

00:13:42.860 But, you know, journalists, it's interesting now because you realize that journalists are really mostly activists, Clay.

00:13:48.240 And I would say one thing that has always been, it's kind of funny to me, is when people will say to me

00:13:53.620 that I'm talking to, you know, we're off the record here, right?

00:13:57.360 And I sit there and I go, I have to say we're on the record for, if anyone's talking to me as a human being

00:14:03.020 and they think that they have my confidence, I don't break that.

00:14:06.420 I don't care, you know, government official, person in my private life, you know, whatever.

00:14:11.140 If you think you're talking to me, Buck, as a person that you can trust, you can trust me.

00:14:15.280 But journalists operate in this other space of they get to determine what's in the, you know,

00:14:20.940 what the public needs to know and not.

00:14:22.740 And what we find out is that really it's whether it hurts my party or not,

00:14:25.980 which is where the Goldberg situation comes in.

00:14:28.860 This is why I've never been an anonymous source in any story that I'm aware of.

00:14:32.920 Like, if I'm going to be quoted, I just tell you exactly what I think, for better or worse.

00:14:37.220 I tell you exactly what I think.

00:14:38.820 I don't want to be somebody who's giving an anonymous quote.

00:14:41.840 I don't think I've ever done it.

00:14:43.340 Um, and, uh, but yeah, to your point, let's have more conversations about this.

00:14:47.140 By the way, if you have talkbacks and you have questions for Buck in particular,

00:14:50.380 because he's the expert on a situation like this, and I'm kind of fascinated by it,

00:14:54.500 but, uh, and I'm intrigued to learn more.

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00:16:39.740 Welcome back in.

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00:16:43.520 All right.

00:16:44.020 Good news coming out of Ukraine as that continues to move, we hope, towards a resolution and a ceasefire.

00:16:50.400 We are talking about the signal story, the discussion that involved Jeffrey Goldberg, an Atlantic editor and writer, and some people, including Brian here.

00:17:01.900 When we make a mistake, your job is not to keep the story alive. 0.90

00:17:06.480 Sometimes you should just shut the F up.

00:17:09.600 Appreciate Brian sending me that email. 0.97

00:17:11.300 I have a very different opinion.

00:17:13.120 I think our job is to be honest with all of you about big stories.

00:17:18.180 And sometimes when big stories are being talked about in a way that we think is dishonest, we should explain to you why when you're getting on Facebook and you're seeing somebody sharing a story that isn't representative of what actually happened.

00:17:32.620 Or when you are out and about and somebody in your social circle brings something up.

00:17:39.160 We want to make sure that you are well informed with every possible argument.

00:17:43.420 This is the biggest story of the day so far.

00:17:46.340 And I think we have a responsibility obligation to talk about it intelligently, even if it's not the perfect story.

00:17:55.580 And so, you know, Brian, I appreciate the email, but my job is to tell you exactly what I think, good or bad.

00:18:02.520 And if you don't like that, there's lots of people who will tell you only what you want to hear every minute of every day.

00:18:09.900 I think it will keep you worse informed.

00:18:11.840 But that's just, I think, a fundamental disagreement that we have about what exactly we're doing here.

00:18:18.160 So I think that we always have, you know, there are a few things that we have to serve this audience daily, right?

00:18:26.440 And that's always, you know, we just did an interview recently about crossing 555 stations, you know, no big deal.

00:18:31.780 And Clay and I were talking to people in the media about how, you know, we work for all of you day in and day out.

00:18:37.760 And we want to bring you the best information we can.

00:18:40.700 So if you listen to this show for an hour, you're going to know everything that's going on.

00:18:45.060 And if you give us three hours, we're hoping to, you know, give you a tremendous analysis and fun and tell stories and, right, give you a fully immersive experience.

00:18:52.980 But one of the things, Clay, that I think we do, sorry, I was weaving there a little bit, guys, but, you know, as one does.

00:18:59.040 One of the things that we do is I never want anyone who listens to this show to feel like, oh, but if I'm at a party or I'm at the office or wherever and someone challenges me on this issue, I'm not ready for it.

00:19:15.060 Yeah, so I don't want you to be in a situation where you're annoying sister-in-law or, you know, you're, you're, you know, Bob from accounting or, you know, Sally from, from HR is like, did you see the big national security mess up, whatever?

00:19:31.440 And you go, well, I don't know.

00:19:33.060 No, I've told, we're telling you everything you need to know about it.

00:19:36.780 These are patriots.

00:19:38.280 They didn't mean any harm.

00:19:40.060 There was no harm done.

00:19:41.820 Better practices next time.

00:19:44.040 Sometimes mistakes happen.

00:19:45.840 They will adjust.

00:19:47.020 And it's not that big a deal.

00:19:49.080 Okay.

00:19:49.300 So that's well said.

00:19:51.060 And I was in the CIA and faced imprisonment if I messed up these rules.

00:19:54.520 So I know what I'm talking about.

00:19:56.220 Okay.

00:19:56.560 So my thoughts, couple of things as a layman here.

00:20:00.000 One, why do we not have our own version of a signal app that could, and I want you to explain this to me because I've been doing reading because I want to know more about it.

00:20:11.100 But it's hard to get everybody in a secure location when you've got people traveling all over the world.

00:20:19.220 And I think this is important.

00:20:20.700 And you want to make sure that everyone is well informed with what the United States government is doing so that Tulsi Gabbard doesn't turn on the television and find out on Fox News that we have attacked the Houthis, right?

00:20:34.840 And maybe she's in Yemen or wherever the heck she might be.

00:20:39.300 And Pete Hegseth right now, I know because the pictures are out, is touring the Pacific.

00:20:44.880 And these 18 people are in six different time zones.

00:20:49.100 And actually the easiest way sometimes to communicate is text message.

00:20:53.940 So point one, shouldn't we have a design system that is forward thinking from a security perspective for younger people who are used to communicating in this manner?

00:21:08.780 And by the way, take it back 100 years or 80 years or whatever it was.

00:21:14.620 And I'm sure people were like, we can never communicate on the telephone any secret knowledge.

00:21:20.480 Oh my goodness, this is crazy.

00:21:22.180 And then everybody who grew up using the telephone expects for the devices to be created that are able to be used in this method.

00:21:30.920 Step one.

00:21:31.440 Step two.

00:21:32.760 And this is just a layman question.

00:21:35.360 This guy, Goldberg, I think he should have had to.

00:21:40.560 I mean, it feels to me like a big part of this story is his dishonesty and also staying involved in a conversation that he was aware he was never intended to be tagged on.

00:21:54.420 And yet he stayed in there and continued to receive these messages in your own lives.

00:22:00.580 If you were a part of a group text chain that you were not intended to be on, which I bet if you're under the age of 50 is something that has happened to almost everybody out there at some point in time.

00:22:13.820 Certainly, if you're under the age of 40, wouldn't you just leave the group chat, either publicly say, hey, wrong guy, or just leave on your own volition?

00:22:23.000 The fact that he stayed in there and kept receiving all of these messages makes me think that his behavior was quite nefarious to say nothing of waiting to drop the story like he did.

00:22:35.640 Well, this is where journalists like to have it both ways, right?

00:22:38.900 They're patriots and they care about the country, too.

00:22:41.540 And when I say journalists, I mean, the the journos, right?

00:22:44.420 This guy is an activist.

00:22:45.260 He's a left wing Democrat.

00:22:46.400 This has been clear for a long time. 0.97

00:22:48.000 He was the one who had his fingerprints all over the Trump suckers and losers thing from Arlington Cemetery, which I never believed for one second. 0.94

00:22:57.820 You know, I'm not saying Trump is perfect, but Trump does not think people who gave their lives fighting for the military are losers. 0.96

00:23:03.760 That was just total.

00:23:05.000 I mean, I can't even say on radio what it was. 0.92

00:23:07.020 It's total nonsense.

00:23:07.780 But Clay, what they'll say is, well, I have an as a journalist, I need to know whatever I can find out about the upper echelons of government and, you know, the sharing of information and everything else that's going on there.

00:23:20.660 You know, I look if I were on this and I'm in text contact with some of these people, to be clear.

00:23:26.060 I mean, this is the thing.

00:23:27.020 This is what happens when you have people from the media and that you've known for many years who are now running massive departments of the government.

00:23:33.340 Clay, and I know these people.

00:23:34.680 I know them personally.

00:23:35.840 This is how people who are under the age of 50 overwhelmingly communicate.

00:23:40.160 We don't get on phones and have long form conversations.

00:23:43.560 Most of our communications is via text.

00:23:45.480 Right.

00:23:46.360 But what I'm shining a spotlight on is just that, you know, these are individuals who are doing the best practices that they can to speak quickly to each other about things that matter.

00:24:00.820 And if I were on, if I felt like I was in, you know, in the room when I shouldn't be in the room, so to speak, in this case, the chat room, I'd be like, hey, guys, hey, guys, I'm out because I wouldn't want them as senior government officials who've clearly made, you know, I'm not a nefarious foreign actor.

00:24:20.040 Right.

00:24:20.360 I'm not I'm not trying to run information ops for Al Jazeera over here.

00:24:25.780 If I'm in this, I would say, hey, guys, you know, I'm going to duck out now.

00:24:29.360 I know you got to talk about stuff because I'm an American and this is the secretary of defense and the director of national intelligence.

00:24:36.120 Yes.

00:24:36.580 And, you know, my my desire to get a scoop is infinitely less important to me than especially when talking about something like a military strike than my desire to protect U.S. national security secrets.

00:24:50.340 I mean, look, I'll tell you, I mean, I had an example of this, Clay, when the Benghazi story broke on TV, I was actually on air at the blaze when Benghazi broke initially.

00:24:59.360 And we went live for hours on it.

00:25:02.300 I had to sit there and be like, I don't know what's going.

00:25:04.380 I knew exactly what had happened in terms of like a lot of stuff that came out.

00:25:08.480 I'll just put it that way.

00:25:09.480 And I had to just sit there and be like, no, because I had classified access before and it wasn't my place to blow.

00:25:15.480 And so I just sat there and was just as things were coming on the newswire, I'm like, oh, look at that.

00:25:19.640 Look at that.

00:25:20.140 I could have been.

00:25:21.420 Oh, let me tell you what's really going on here and really what the operations are.

00:25:24.960 And, you know, hey, you guys know I was in CTC and the CIA and here's no, nothing, because my obligation to my to my clearance and to my country matters a heck of a lot more than breaking the story and getting some attention.

00:25:40.900 And this is a different thing in this era where we have a lot of people that work in public facing jobs who have had access to high level national security information.

00:25:51.200 Right.

00:25:51.640 It's on you as an American to always put country first over job.

00:25:57.940 You know, I mean, like like role in I'm not talking about job in the Pentagon.

00:26:01.360 I mean, job in like a media organization.

00:26:04.020 I could have been out there telling everybody stuff about Benghazi.

00:26:07.620 That would have made me the first guy.

00:26:09.200 And they're like, oh, what's the people like?

00:26:11.020 What's the annex?

00:26:11.920 And there's all this stuff.

00:26:12.700 And I'm like, I have no idea, guys.

00:26:14.540 I had to sit there and be like, I don't know.

00:26:16.020 And it was early in my career and I could have made a big thing of it.

00:26:18.020 But I knew what those guys, the risk that they had taken by being there, I didn't know what the follow on operations were going to be.

00:26:23.760 I didn't know what was blown.

00:26:25.020 I didn't know what was going to happen.

00:26:26.120 I didn't know anything.

00:26:27.140 And so I just sat there and had to just read information that came across the newswire like everybody else.

00:26:33.840 And I'm sure, you know, Jeffrey Goldberg is like, oh, no, I need to get the information as much of it as I can.

00:26:39.360 And then I'll make the determination about this.

00:26:41.720 Is that in the best interest of national security?

00:26:43.840 You don't think you want to give these guys a heads up that, hey, I'm not supposed to be on this chat.

00:26:47.600 I mean, to your point, what really matters to him?

00:26:51.280 I mean, my initial reaction when I'm on a group chat that I don't think I should be on is, hey, I want to get out.

00:26:57.340 First of all, a lot of you probably get dragged into your group chats.

00:27:00.080 If you're a mom or a dad, little league group chats, gymnastics group chats, dance team group chats, like, oh, my God, do I need to be on this?

00:27:08.440 Right.

00:27:08.600 You might want to you might want to get out.

00:27:10.580 But if you're dragged into something that, you know, you have no business seeing, I just it feels like to me like you would immediately withdraw and and not stay there.

00:27:22.260 Second part.

00:27:23.060 And I want to get your answer on this when we come back in the next.

00:27:25.600 Do we need to update communication capabilities and standards for people involved in defense industries?

00:27:35.860 Because I was I was actually just looking at Elon Musk and he was talking about just the government is so far behind in the tech that often it has relative to what other private sector organizations might have.

00:27:53.900 In other words, whatever you do for a living, if you're a if you're in defense industries or something like that, I'm sure they have high tech communications capabilities.

00:28:05.120 How would these 18 people have been able to talk if they're in four or five different time zones all around the world?

00:28:12.500 How can they communicate easily?

00:28:15.380 Well, we have I mean, we have this.

00:28:17.340 We have high side.

00:28:18.700 I mean, we have classified channels.

00:28:21.320 Well, I guess my question for you, we come back.

00:28:23.080 Why would this conversation exist in the way that it does?

00:28:26.040 There are there are the equivalent of let's say let's say there's the equivalent of text communication within the national security sphere that is real time and that you can it is classified classified like you can talk about what you need to talk about.

00:28:40.920 When we come back, then why would a communication like this be taking place in your mind?

00:28:47.300 What does it suggest?

00:28:48.320 Again, I think the ultimate result here is that nothing, thankfully, very significant happened

00:28:55.000 other than the embarrassment.

00:28:56.520 And I think primarily this is being played because it is relatively insignificant in terms of its

00:29:03.080 impact in this situation more for humor than anything else.

00:29:07.560 And I think it's probably a 24 hour story that will go away.

00:29:11.940 But I do think it's it's worth talking about what exactly should happen to ensure that something

00:29:17.260 like this doesn't become a bigger story in the years ahead.

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00:30:45.460 Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

00:30:47.460 As we are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program.

00:30:50.740 Jasmine Crockett, Congresswoman from Texas.

00:30:54.440 Texas giving a lot of good things to the world.

00:30:56.560 Jasmine Crockett, now one of them.

00:30:57.880 She has become one of the leading spokespersons for the Democrat Party.

00:31:04.580 And, you know, her background is interesting, Buck, because she's a little bit like the rapper. 1.00

00:31:10.660 Remember back in the day on 8 Mile when Eminem goes head to head in the rap battle?

00:31:16.380 Buck may not remember 8 Mile as well as I do.

00:31:19.760 But he delivers the culminating knockout punch.

00:31:23.420 Spoiler alert if you haven't seen 8 Mile yet in the 20 years that it's been out.

00:31:27.520 Against a other rapper by pointing out that his family is actually super rich.

00:31:34.940 And he went to a very high-end private school called Cranbrook, which is one of the richest kids schools in the Detroit area.

00:31:44.780 I know this, my wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook.

00:31:48.260 Very good school, but very expensive school.

00:31:50.620 Private school.

00:31:51.980 Jasmine Crockett, it turns out, Buck, went to a high school that cost over $30,000 a year. 0.99

00:31:58.860 And she now cosplays as if she is someone from the streets, which raises a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party, I think, in general.

00:32:09.500 When you pretend to be something that you are not in order to try to draw attention to yourself and gain political prominence,

00:32:20.020 what does it say about her that instead of being educated, forthright, and an advocate in some way in a public manner for what she believes,

00:32:31.360 that she would basically turn into, remember we played her a couple weeks ago saying Trump is Putin's hoe, 0.94

00:32:37.840 that she would basically turn into a version of herself that is not representative of how she was raised.

00:32:43.220 Well, here she is going after the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, and this is what she said a little bit earlier at, I believe, of all things, a human rights event.

00:32:55.680 Listen.

00:32:56.040 Because we in these hot-ass Texas streets, honey, y'all know we got Governor High Wheels down there.

00:33:03.760 Come on now. 0.99

00:33:05.540 And the only thing hot about him is that he is a hot-ass mess, honey. 0.98

00:33:10.160 So, um, so yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 0.99

00:33:15.120 Okay.

00:33:16.120 Now, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott.

00:33:19.040 For those of you who don't know, that's an insult because Greg Abbott is actually confined to a wheelchair

00:33:26.040 because a tree fell on him when he was in his 20s.

00:33:30.020 So when she calls him Governor Hot Wheels, she's actually insulting him because of a disability that he has,

00:33:37.480 and then she attacks in some way, for those of you who don't know, his physical appearance.

00:33:41.420 The only thing hot about him is the fact that he's a hot mess.

00:33:45.380 He's actually a really good governor, I think, by and large, has been.

00:33:48.800 Certainly the average Texan agrees based on the voting returns.

00:33:53.180 But to go after a guy who's in a wheelchair by mocking the fact that he's in a wheelchair,

00:33:58.940 again, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott.

00:34:02.160 I'd probably roll out in a Governor Hot Wheels t-shirt the next time that I did a public event

00:34:07.320 because I would mock her mockery by mocking it that way.

00:34:11.360 But I do think it's emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have a real message

00:34:17.120 that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor of the state that you represent

00:34:22.780 for being in a wheelchair is their go-to line of attack. 1.00

00:34:27.500 And that Jasmine Crockett would be regularly on the front lines as an outspoken advocate 0.96

00:34:33.520 for the Democrat Party is, frankly, the best thing I can think about for Republicans.

00:34:38.400 Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction insofar as she's never going to be.

00:34:47.280 You know, AOC and the squad were there was a lot of media attention because some of them

00:34:55.080 and particularly like Rashida Tlaib and and Ilhan Omar, you know,

00:34:58.960 they represented this young, diverse, far left part of the party.

00:35:04.840 But I think it was very obvious early on that AOC was the only one who was going to try to elevate.

00:35:13.440 And we see that happening right now.

00:35:15.060 I mean, it's still in progress, still in process or in progress.

00:35:18.460 But she was the only one who had aspirations of maybe being Speaker of the House,

00:35:23.940 maybe being president or aspirations, the wrong word possibility, right?

00:35:28.120 Within the Democrat ranks, she's become, you know, our friend Jesse Kelly says she has

00:35:33.120 she's no longer a street communist, right?

00:35:35.160 She's more of a organizer. 0.98

00:35:37.220 I think he uses that's a very good term he's come up with, right? 0.99

00:35:39.840 She's no longer street communist.

00:35:40.920 She's more of a, you know, Politburo communist.

00:35:43.700 Like, she's elevating herself.

00:35:45.280 She can sit in the boardroom meetings. 0.96

00:35:47.440 Yes, exactly.

00:35:48.860 She can sit there with Stalin and the rest deciding, you know, what happens to everybody.

00:35:53.400 But I think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention, but has no,

00:36:00.760 there's no way that she's going to find herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party,

00:36:06.260 in my opinion.

00:36:07.200 So I don't spend too much time and saying something like like Governor Hot Wheels.

00:36:12.920 I don't even think Greg Abbott cares because I don't think that anyone expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that.

00:36:18.200 The only thing that upsets me is that she shares a name with the greatest coffee company of all time,

00:36:24.920 which happens to also be named for a great American hero.

00:36:27.800 It's a great name.

00:36:29.160 You know, it's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name, which is insane. 0.63

00:36:32.660 I looked this up.

00:36:33.160 Crockett is.

00:36:33.820 Crockett.

00:36:34.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:34.860 It's a, there's different spellings of it.

00:36:36.600 In fact, Davey spelled his name or there are different spellings of his name during his life

00:36:41.300 because of the sort of derivation of it from the Scottish Highlands.

00:36:45.700 Yeah.

00:36:46.620 Fun fact for everybody.

00:36:48.120 There you go.

00:36:49.620 I don't, I'm not the kind of person who obviously a lot of people say awful things going to shock you about me or Buck.

00:36:55.660 I'm not the kind of person who like grabs my pearls and falls onto a feigning couch.

00:37:00.060 So I wouldn't encourage, I understand some people are like, this is beyond the pale.

00:37:04.100 This is outrageous.

00:37:05.020 I think the way to deal with something like this, again, if I were giving advice to Greg Abbott would be with humor

00:37:09.660 because Governor Hot Wheels is actually kind of a funny nickname.

00:37:13.940 And you can throw it back on her by leaning into the humor and proving that you are going to mock her by doing so.

00:37:22.120 I think that's a smart way to, to attack it.

00:37:25.660 Um, but I do think that this is emblematic of them not really having a strategy.

00:37:32.880 The fact, I agree with you, the Jasmine Crockett doesn't have a next level, right?

00:37:37.120 If you think about it in a sports term, you're like, okay, you're the kind of boxer that can knock out somebody who's a so-called tomato can,

00:37:44.660 but you don't have heavyweight title aspirations.

00:37:46.820 Like you're kind of just a mid-range guy in the boxing world.

00:37:50.780 I think that's where Jasmine Crockett is. 0.88

00:37:53.040 I think they have aspirations that AOC could be their heavyweight.

00:37:56.420 I think they think, I agree with you, that they could elevate her.

00:37:59.900 I think Chuck, this is my prediction.

00:38:01.460 I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce that he's not going to run for re-election.

00:38:05.420 Remember, he won re-election in 22.

00:38:08.160 So he doesn't leave until 28.

00:38:10.540 I think he'll announce he's not running and endorse her.

00:38:13.260 23 here, Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not stepping down.

00:38:17.520 Play 23.

00:38:19.940 Look, I'm not stepping down.

00:38:21.600 And let me just say this.

00:38:22.860 I knew when I cast my vote against the government shutdown that it would be, that there'd be a lot of controversy.

00:38:31.000 And there was.

00:38:32.060 But let me tell you and your audience why I did it, why I felt it was so important.

00:38:36.260 The CR was certainly bad, you know, the continuing resolution, but a shutdown would be 15 or 20 times worse.

00:38:44.440 Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole power to determine what is, quote, essential.

00:38:50.400 And they can determine without any court supervision, the courts have ruled it solely up to the executive, what to shut down.

00:38:57.900 With Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote, they would eviscerate the federal government.

00:39:06.260 Clay, he's saying, I'm still the best shot that we have for leadership on the Democrat side.

00:39:13.340 I'm not, as I said, I'm not stepping down.

00:39:15.880 And I don't see anybody who poses, you know, the option here would be, and this is what Bernie Sanders, I think, was referring to,

00:39:24.020 who could run in the Senate against Schumer from New York, AOC.

00:39:29.900 But I think Democrats are very, they're hesitant about this.

00:39:36.480 Remember, Bernie, Clay, this is kind of a little funny anecdote.

00:39:40.640 I was at CNN in 2015 when the Democrats were running their primary, you know, into 2016 when Democrats were running their primary.

00:39:47.480 And all of the CNN commentators would say out of the side, the Democrats would say out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really got the base.

00:39:56.200 And Bernie's really, and then they'd go on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus and they knew it was going to happen.

00:40:01.300 It'd be like, well, we know that Hillary is really, Bernie's great, but Hillary, but off air, they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really where the base is.

00:40:07.680 Because they totally, they scammed Bernie out of the nomination.

00:40:13.080 Twice.

00:40:13.700 Twice.

00:40:14.460 And it's because, I mean, we all saw this, right?

00:40:16.180 And it's because it came out in some of the WikiLeaks stuff.

00:40:18.560 And it's all because they recognize that the whole game Democrats have to play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.

00:40:26.420 And you can't be too honest about this because you can't win 51% of the electorate if you tell people you're actually a socialist.

00:40:33.160 But with AOC, do they think that there's some new era they are entering where they can do a rebrand?

00:40:39.620 I don't know.

00:40:40.560 I think what's going to happen with Schumer is Republicans, if they get the right candidates, and I think they are, are going to pick up seats in the Senate, I believe, in 2026.

00:40:52.800 I think Georgia, Brian Kemp, the governor, will run.

00:40:55.600 I think that New Hampshire, if they can get Sununu as the governor right now, right?

00:41:02.880 Whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I think it was him.

00:41:06.380 I might have screwed up his name.

00:41:08.340 Michigan's in play.

00:41:10.040 We've got multiple different states out there.

00:41:13.840 I think if I were setting over under on pickups in the Senate, I would set it at one and a half.

00:41:18.820 But I think there's a good chance that Republicans come out of 2026 in the Senate with 55 senators versus 45.

00:41:26.320 At that point in time, with only two years left on his term, I think Schumer will announce this is his final term.

00:41:32.360 And I think he will set the stage for AOC to become the senator from New York.

00:41:37.820 And to your point, Buck, I think that will then set the table for her to be president now to run for president. 0.99

00:41:44.640 Now, she may not even want to be in the Senate because the argument is, does she need to be in the Senate to run for president in 2028? 1.00

00:41:52.320 Remember, everybody's running for the Democrats in 2028.

00:41:55.540 They're going to have 25 names out there.

00:41:57.840 Republican side, maybe not as many because it looks like J.D. Vance is going to be gobbling up if things keep going well, a lot of money and a lot of endorsements.

00:42:05.380 But the Democrat side, everybody is running.

00:42:08.040 I'll just say it.

00:42:09.800 AOC is a political brand.

00:42:13.560 And just the fact that we have initials for her and everybody knows who we're talking about.

00:42:19.180 She has huge social media recognition.

00:42:21.420 This is as soon as we were talking about this.

00:42:22.880 I think it was in January after the election.

00:42:24.340 I was like, you know what?

00:42:25.020 I think it'll be. 1.00

00:42:26.100 And occasionally I waver on it because she'll have such a stupid soundbite. 1.00

00:42:29.040 But doesn't stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president. 1.00

00:42:31.800 Look at Joe Biden. 0.99

00:42:32.440 But AOC has the media profile.

00:42:37.460 And I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an all out.

00:42:42.240 It's when I say media, I don't I don't mean who can get on CBS news.

00:42:46.400 I mean, social media, Internet recognizability, ability to direct a news cycle, ability to kind of capture public attention.

00:42:56.320 It's really hard to win in politics.

00:42:59.780 Look, look, Trump is a is an entertainment phenomenon as much as he is a political phenomenon.

00:43:05.760 And those two things, I think, go hand in hand now.

00:43:09.060 This is why I don't think somebody like, you know, people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer.

00:43:13.260 No, you know, she plays well enough with Democrats in Michigan. 1.00

00:43:16.800 But I just don't think that she's she doesn't have the name.

00:43:20.260 She doesn't have the profile.

00:43:21.540 She doesn't have the sizzle, if you will.

00:43:24.120 And I know you tell me you will laugh at me.

00:43:25.720 I'm going to remember who was laughing at me.

00:43:27.580 But AOC is a it's like she's a character in American politics.

00:43:33.040 It's different.

00:43:34.180 She's not just a politician. 1.00

00:43:35.700 She's a politician celebrity. 1.00

00:43:38.080 She's pretty. 0.99

00:43:39.580 She may.

00:43:41.780 Glazier.

00:43:42.320 She's pretty. 0.99

00:43:43.020 I mean, look, I think you have to talk about cosmetic aspects.

00:43:45.880 Yeah, no, no, no, it matters.

00:43:47.820 You're right.

00:43:48.180 I just think it's funny.

00:43:48.880 Like, she's pretty. 0.68

00:43:49.620 Yeah, she is pretty. 1.00

00:43:50.580 But I think she also could have a kid.

00:43:52.440 I mean, some of you are going to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's married now. 0.89

00:43:56.680 Right.

00:43:56.980 If she has a kid, it makes her more relatable for a lot of people out there.

00:44:02.780 I think she'll probably have kids at some point.

00:44:04.960 I would bet.

00:44:06.060 And my biggest attack on her would be I don't think she's very smart. 0.99

00:44:12.260 I think she gets exposed sometimes.

00:44:14.640 And you're right that that may not matter.

00:44:16.600 But I think if she's going up against, let's say, like, I think Mayor Pete has almost no 0.99

00:44:22.420 chance because he's a gay white guy and black guys are not going to vote for a gay white 0.99

00:44:26.360 guy. 0.99

00:44:26.580 But I think Mayor Pete is actually a pretty smart guy.

00:44:28.920 Right. 0.99

00:44:29.420 Like, I don't think he's a moron. 0.99

00:44:31.100 Elizabeth Warren, she's too old now, but she's intelligent. 0.99

00:44:34.680 There are that Gavin Newsom is evil, evil Keanu Reeves. 1.00

00:44:38.980 But I don't think he's a moron. 1.00

00:44:40.360 I think he's just an inveterate liar. 0.99

00:44:42.440 There are people, I think, that would expose AOC in an intellectual game. 0.76

00:44:48.400 Again, I know I sound like and, you know, you can throw whatever heat you want at me,

00:44:52.800 everyone. 0.99

00:44:53.080 But I think AOC, she is ignorant, but she is savvy. 1.00

00:44:59.880 And savvy may be meaning she doesn't know very much, but she's cunning. 0.99

00:45:04.840 And that may be enough.

00:45:07.180 I just keep an eye on it.

00:45:09.040 I think there's a lot of smart people who could be around her and write the speeches and tell 0.89

00:45:13.480 her to memorize the talking points.

00:45:15.260 You know, and she doesn't have dementia.

00:45:17.980 She's got that going for her. 0.68

00:45:19.300 She doesn't have that going for her. 0.99

00:45:20.800 That is very nice.

00:45:22.320 We'll come back.

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00:47:23.880 Welcome back to Clay and Buck, everybody.

00:47:25.700 We are very pleased to welcome onto the program Dr. Laura Schlesinger, who recently celebrated

00:47:32.660 50 years on the radio.

00:47:35.780 She is a best-selling author.

00:47:38.040 She's also auctioning off some handmade items to support children of fallen patriots.

00:47:43.100 Go to DrLaura.com for more of that.

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00:47:47.680 Dr. Laura, I just say it's an honor to speak to you because I've been hearing your voice ever

00:47:53.600 since I got married because my wife is a long-time Dr. Laura listener.

00:47:58.540 Let me tell you, I'm very thankful.

00:48:00.080 I'm very thankful for it.

00:48:02.840 Well, then, she's your girlfriend. 0.96

00:48:06.020 She's the best.

00:48:07.140 She's fantastic.

00:48:08.140 That's right.

00:48:08.260 You know, I come home and we got married and I came home and there's dinner on the table

00:48:12.980 and I say, honey, I want to go to the shooting range with the guys.

00:48:15.300 She says, you need guy time.

00:48:17.160 You know, all these rules and lessons.

00:48:18.840 And then I found this book, The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, which is dog-eared

00:48:23.460 and underlined and everything else.

00:48:25.180 I tell you, I got married a little later in life, Dr. Laura, so I got married around 40.

00:48:30.240 I think it was 41.

00:48:32.180 And my wife has absolutely loved my life.

00:48:34.420 She's absolutely fantastic.

00:48:35.840 We're about to have a baby in a couple of weeks.

00:48:39.700 So everything is going.

00:48:40.420 I really wanted to have you on in part just to thank you because, and this comes from my

00:48:44.680 wife as well, I think you give so many women such incredibly important and powerful advice

00:48:52.020 for them to have great, meaningful lives as wives, as mothers.

00:48:56.780 So I'm always, whenever Carrie starts saying, Dr. Laura says, I start nodding my head.

00:49:00.960 Yup, that's great.

00:49:02.640 She sent in my wife's, sorry, I just got to tell you this. 0.83

00:49:05.680 It's the truth.

00:49:06.160 My wife sent in a question for you and Clay's wife, Laura, has a question too.

00:49:10.780 She says, hi, Dr. Laura, I'm a long time listener and read The Proper Care and Feeding

00:49:16.020 of Husbands.

00:49:16.700 I also took the online course.

00:49:19.100 Your wisdom has not only made me the wife I am today, but also led me to find an incredible

00:49:23.340 husband who adores me.

00:49:24.900 Fact check, true.

00:49:26.060 In a couple of weeks, we will be welcoming our first child.

00:49:29.040 We're so thrilled to grow our family.

00:49:31.000 But what is your advice for ensuring our solid and healthy marriage stays intact after

00:49:36.140 the first baby comes?

00:49:37.240 Thank you for all you do.

00:49:38.220 You don't stop having your hands all over each other.

00:49:43.160 That means when you're walking around, that means when one of you takes a shower, maybe

00:49:47.780 we could, you know, save on water.

00:49:49.720 We could both be in the shower.

00:49:51.200 It's really the physicality and the silliness.

00:49:54.520 Everybody thinks it's got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which you and I

00:49:59.300 both know guys don't enjoy.

00:50:01.460 Anyway, so the more physical you are with each other and the more cute you are with 0.59

00:50:06.820 each other, that's really all you need.

00:50:09.320 I love it.

00:50:10.160 That's really good advice.

00:50:11.520 Now, I don't even know what my wife has sent in, but there is audio.

00:50:16.860 She went and used the app and then she needed more space.

00:50:19.960 So she said, just give context.

00:50:21.300 How long?

00:50:21.920 How long have you been married?

00:50:23.020 Tell Dr.

00:50:23.460 Laura, how long have you been married?

00:50:24.460 Yeah.

00:50:24.680 So I've been married, oh man, 21 years will be August.

00:50:29.020 So I've been married over 20 years now.

00:50:31.960 We have three boys, 17, 14, and 10-year-old.

00:50:36.480 And here is what my wife, Laura, wanted to ask you.

00:50:40.520 Listen.

00:50:40.960 Clay and I are parents of boys, and thus far, I think we have weathered adolescence fairly

00:50:48.820 well.

00:50:49.660 However, some of our friends who have daughters, their experiences, the way they talk about

00:50:55.380 it, sound very different.

00:50:58.000 In fact, some of them say raising daughters through adolescence is a complete nightmare.

00:51:04.220 I had a friend this morning tell me that she feels she's coming home to a bag of snakes

00:51:09.200 every day when she comes home to her adolescent daughters, which is funny, but harsh.

00:51:15.400 So in general, do you have some great advice for parents going through adolescence with their

00:51:23.720 children?

00:51:24.640 Obviously, the children are going through adolescence.

00:51:26.960 And do you have different advice for parents of girls weathering adolescence versus parents

00:51:34.740 of boys weathering adolescence?

00:51:37.480 Thank you.

00:51:39.200 I thought you were just going to have me on for a few minutes.

00:51:41.900 That's going to take me about half an hour to get through.

00:51:45.180 Let me try to bring it down.

00:51:47.460 Number one, whether it's a boy or a girl, that it's a tight family that does things together,

00:51:53.020 that is sweet with each other, that the father spends time with the daughter, the father

00:51:57.460 spends time with the son, the mother spends time, and the family is always together for

00:52:01.680 dinner.

00:52:02.100 If they have to go do sports things or what have you, that, you know, that's a very important

00:52:08.920 part of the family.

00:52:10.380 People keep divvying it up.

00:52:12.620 Yeah, there are differences in how you raise girls from boys, and I'd have to come back 1.00

00:52:16.600 another time to go through that.

00:52:18.040 But the first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands and wives and the physical

00:52:22.880 and the cuteness, the, I was with a family and I thought, and I talked about them on my

00:52:29.500 air, that this was the best family I had seen in decades.

00:52:34.340 Any time anybody got something, may I, would you send me, could I have, yes, please, thank

00:52:41.880 you.

00:52:42.560 Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.

00:52:46.460 That is not something that families do.

00:52:49.480 You have two career families, you have all kinds of other stuff going on in the house,

00:52:53.860 and it's not a family.

00:52:57.140 It's mother and father and kids.

00:52:59.320 Yes, but when it's a family, when people are always saying please and thank you and

00:53:05.720 show concern for each other and discipline in kind ways with understanding and compassion,

00:53:11.240 you'd be surprised how it minimizes how crazy it gets, and also take your kids out of public

00:53:17.460 school.

00:53:19.140 Wow.

00:53:19.860 Dr. Laura, we're definitely going to have to have you back, and I'm really looking forward

00:53:22.560 to all the questions and comments we're going to get from the audience about you coming on

00:53:26.000 and just beginning this arc of wisdom.

00:53:28.640 And like I said, as a husband and a very happy husband who does completely adore his

00:53:33.340 wife, it's so important that I think women get a lot of the messaging, and men, but that

00:53:41.280 we both get a lot of the messaging that you're putting out there.

00:53:44.300 And I wanted you to address something that's more just sort of general for the country right

00:53:47.440 now.

00:53:47.900 You know, we talk here about politics and national security and education, all these

00:53:50.900 different things, but the importance of family and marriage is central, should be central,

00:53:56.760 maybe should be is a better word these days.

00:53:58.720 You know, there's a story just out today, and it says, and the headline is, American

00:54:03.120 women are giving up on marriage. 0.93

00:54:05.500 And one of the lines from it is, American women have never been this resigned to staying

00:54:09.500 single.

00:54:10.900 They are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing gender gaps in

00:54:15.460 economic and education attainment, and beliefs about what a family should look like.

00:54:19.780 What is going on?

00:54:21.280 And how do we fix it?

00:54:23.500 Not enough fathers in the home raising sons to be men of honor and courage and principle.

00:54:30.380 And that's basically, again, the women have gone through the feminist thing where men are 1.00

00:54:38.280 the evil empire, and all this negativity toward masculinity. 0.89

00:54:43.660 It's all toxic.

00:54:44.560 I think it's wonderful.

00:54:46.680 Give me a guy with a cowboy hat and boots, and I pay attention, because there's a sense that

00:54:52.260 there's a strength there.

00:54:53.560 And women like to feel protected. 0.99

00:54:55.740 That's probably the number one thing women don't admit. 1.00

00:54:58.560 They want to feel protected. 0.96

00:55:00.700 And that's why they like those silly books where there's this ripped guy on the cover,

00:55:06.340 and she's being carried, you know, into safety.

00:55:09.760 Why do they read those things at such large amounts?

00:55:12.360 Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent as we can be, we want to be protected.

00:55:17.880 And men have not been brought up to be that anymore.

00:55:22.520 Are you more, you've been doing this for 50 years.

00:55:25.420 And Buck just laid out, marriage is becoming less common.

00:55:29.680 A lot of men are not present in homes.

00:55:32.320 Unfortunately, the overall birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing.

00:55:37.960 Are you more or less optimistic about the future of the family unit today than when you started?

00:55:44.740 How would you analyze the scope of relationship that you've seen over 50 years?

00:55:49.640 Oh, no, I'm, I was more optimistic than that I am now, because there have been so many forces,

00:55:57.160 we have like one or two generations now, I think are lost.

00:56:00.720 These are young people who are not being brought up that you finish school, and you aim to be and

00:56:06.080 do things and you make a family and you raise kids and you have communities.

00:56:09.920 And that was how I was brought up.

00:56:12.940 And it was all this optimism.

00:56:14.440 Now you have throngs of kids who have no idea where they can go and what they can be.

00:56:22.120 And so they get involved in all of these cliques, like non-binary and, you know, I belong now

00:56:28.200 to a group of people who are equally lost and don't have an identity and don't have a direction

00:56:33.740 and don't have a sense of self other than I can belong to this community.

00:56:37.760 It's like what we used to look at with groupies with rock stars.

00:56:40.940 This is what's happening.

00:56:42.620 So I'm, I'm worried.

00:56:45.400 Be honest with you.

00:56:46.440 I'm worried.

00:56:47.000 But the one little piece of optimism I have is I'm still here.

00:56:51.960 People are still calling.

00:56:55.540 Somebody wants the help to pull it back together again and make life meaningful and something

00:57:01.260 you can feel comfortable and safe with.

00:57:03.740 And productive and loving and receive all of that.

00:57:07.560 So as long as I still get that response, I keep my optimism up.

00:57:12.800 Dr. Moore, that's a great line.

00:57:15.840 You just laid out some of the challenges.

00:57:19.000 How much do you think it has to do with kids getting phones too young?

00:57:23.260 What advice would you give parents out there?

00:57:25.940 My wife asked a question about adolescence, but what advice would you give to parents about

00:57:30.800 social media and about what they allow their kids to be exposed to, particularly on the

00:57:36.380 Internet?

00:57:37.780 Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think, you know, you can push up against a tsunami,

00:57:43.140 but it takes just everybody lining up.

00:57:46.540 I tell people that they're irresponsible parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any

00:57:52.840 minor child, period.

00:57:54.560 Get them a flip phone that takes calls.

00:57:57.100 That's it.

00:57:58.060 No texting, no Internet.

00:58:00.320 And instead of spending one's time with screens, how about we actually have families that do

00:58:06.180 stuff together?

00:58:07.600 I mean, when my kid was, talk about a screen though.

00:58:10.380 We would watch Law and Order as a whole family, and then we would sit here and we would go,

00:58:15.860 I think he did it.

00:58:16.660 No, I think she did it.

00:58:18.040 And so it was all of this thinking through using pieces of information.

00:58:22.880 And I just read today that our children are really suffering the inability to have fine

00:58:28.160 motor skills because they're not playing with crayons.

00:58:30.900 They're not playing with scissors.

00:58:32.140 They're just sitting there like that.

00:58:33.940 And so we're actually losing physicality.

00:58:37.320 I mean, is that not shocking?

00:58:38.480 It's amazing.

00:58:41.180 And we think about all the influences that are on kids these days and what they're being

00:58:45.400 told and how I think a lot of them are being set up for misery.

00:58:50.020 I mean, Dr. Laura, you know, you have the metrics these days and the metrics for young

00:58:55.600 women in particular, in terms of happiness, self-described happiness, it's terrifying in 1.00

00:58:59.880 terms of how bad it is.

00:59:01.240 How do we start to turn, again, you're going up against a tsunami, but how do we start to

00:59:05.540 turn that around?

00:59:06.200 Well, I just, it popped into my head as you were asking me the question, look at all the

00:59:13.340 very intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions of power in our 1.00

00:59:19.940 government.

00:59:20.620 I am so enthralled with that.

00:59:23.520 And I think that's wonderful for young women to have something to aspire to.

00:59:28.400 Keep my act clean.

00:59:29.580 No more shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.

00:59:32.720 I want to be like that lady who's now running the whatever it is.

00:59:37.360 So having role models like that, you know, I have people calling who say I was in a car

00:59:44.920 seat in the back of my parents' car listening to you.

00:59:48.420 And now I have kids and I'm using what I've learned.

00:59:51.720 So anytime you can be a positive influence, do it.

00:59:57.080 My wife makes fun of me because I just always sit there in the car when she turns you on. 0.99

01:00:00.200 And I'm just like, Dr. Laura's right.

01:00:01.540 So I'm just telling you, I was like, we have to have Dr. Laura.

01:00:04.540 And I'm like, Dr. Laura's right.

01:00:05.620 And Carrie looks at me.

01:00:06.280 She goes, oh, I know.

01:00:07.300 Clay, go ahead.

01:00:08.280 Last question for you.

01:00:09.420 And we appreciate your time.

01:00:10.620 And you're certainly a radio legend.

01:00:12.380 You've been so influential for so long.

01:00:14.640 When you the modern era, like I was reading the other day, the number of successful women 0.62

01:00:20.000 that are choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a child with instead of an actual man

01:00:27.500 is staggering to me.

01:00:30.300 What kind of world?

01:00:32.260 It infuriates me.

01:00:33.100 OK, I wanted to get your take on this.

01:00:35.140 It infuriates me.

01:00:36.680 Makes me angry because kids need a dad.

01:00:39.700 And I just say to these women, oh, that's not well. 0.98

01:00:42.040 I have money and I can take care of it.

01:00:43.580 I don't care about that.

01:00:45.240 You had a mommy and a daddy.

01:00:46.500 And I'm sure that meant something to you.

01:00:48.560 Now you're going to rob a kid of a dad because it's convenient for you not to commit and give

01:00:55.140 of yourself and be vulnerable to another human being and be invested in each other's lives

01:01:00.360 beautifully.

01:01:01.360 That's a real shame.

01:01:02.940 That's a real shame.

01:01:03.760 That is so selfish.

01:01:05.260 Yeah, I don't like it.

01:01:07.880 Dr. Laura, we got to have we got to have you back because, you know, for you to solve

01:01:11.540 all problems of relationships and family and child rearing in about 10 minutes is asking

01:01:16.620 a lot.

01:01:17.160 But you didn't know a remarkable job that guys, there's so many books.

01:01:20.840 I mean, the proper care and feeding of husbands.

01:01:22.440 I've actually got Carrie's very dog eared and underlined copy of my hand.

01:01:27.040 Great book.

01:01:27.800 And go to Dr. Laura dot com because she's doing some great charity work to Dr. Laura.

01:01:31.340 We'd love to have you back.

01:01:32.220 And thanks for being here.

01:01:33.940 I would love it.

01:01:34.860 Thank you, guys.

01:01:35.460 And I love listening to you, too.

01:01:37.680 Oh, well, thank you so much.

01:01:38.900 Thank you very much.

01:01:40.300 You're very strong.

01:01:41.240 I like that.

01:01:42.320 That's right.

01:01:43.860 That's how we do it.

01:01:45.580 I'm kind of blushing now.

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