BONUS： The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show - Daily Review Podcast
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Bucking the knee to President Trump, Vitaly Zelensky asks for peace with Ukraine, Bill O'Reilly joins the show to discuss why this is a good thing, and why we should be worried about it.
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I hope all of you are having a fabulous Tuesday news coming as it often does during the Trump
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Reminder, Trump is also speaking tonight in front of a joint session of Congress, a usual
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state of the union, although I think in the year after the election, it's not officially
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called the state of the union, but that is what will be going on tonight and many will
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Let me give you a little bit of a roadmap where we're headed.
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Senate Majority Leader John Thune going to be on with us at the bottom of this hour.
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Every single Democrat senator voted against men being prohibited from playing in women's
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In other words, they support men who identify as women being able to compete in women's
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Our friend Bill O'Reilly will join us at the top of the next hour.
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But Buck, the biggest news that is out there in the last hour, Zelensky has decided to bend
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I would like this is Zelensky's Twitter account.
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I would like to reiterate Ukraine's commitment to peace.
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Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace
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Nobody wants peace more than the Ukrainians.
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My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that
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Our meeting in Washington at the White House on Friday did not go that way.
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We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive regarding the agreement on
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Ukraine is ready to sign at any time and in any convenient format.
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We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees.
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Friday, the blow up Tuesday, the apology again, that statement a little bit longer.
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Buck, what do you think people should take from this situation that we are currently in with
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Well, Trump is doing what he does, which is a non-traditional approach to try to solve
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And I think that the people who have at every step of the every step of the way questioned
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him, undermined him, said he's crazy, said he's a dictator, are doing what they always
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When you look at what has already occurred, it does seem to be that Trump is using the
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leverage that he should use on issues that matter to get us to a better resolution.
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And this is contra the diplomacy, State Department, foreign policy consensus mindset.
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All that really matters is when something happens in response to a decision, an action, an agreement
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How we get there, I think, is far less important.
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And so, yes, was it a little bit of a surprise to see that dust up in the Oval Office?
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Do I think that Zelensky was the one who instigated it largely?
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And now are we back in a place where Zelensky is saying all the things that we wanted to
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So that, to me, indicates that Trump is on the right track.
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I also think that this is forced out into public view that the people who just are all
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about the Ukrainian fight and don't ever go beyond Ukraine is the good guy, Russia is
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the bad guy, are being forced to justify in public what exactly is your plan?
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If this war goes on for another five years, in what way is Ukraine in a better position
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Russia has more men, more materiel, more North Korean troops, I might add, pouring in.
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Russia has allies who are working directly in this fight, and we refuse to do that.
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So how is Ukraine going to be in a better position other than losing a lot of our money and a lot
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So we're trying to get to where we are with the deal now.
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Clay, if the negotiations were to break down because what Putin wants is just so unthinkable,
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is so beyond the pale, well, at least we would know that, right?
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At least then we could have a conversation.
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OK, Putin really is being crazier than anticipated on this.
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So maybe he does need to suffer the consequences a little bit more or whatever.
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But right now, there's no reason to believe that the option that the Ukraine hardliners want
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Look, where we are right now, and my wife has been fired up about this, so she will not
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I do think that the United States has has created much of this mess, meaning the invasion, the
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And all that's happening now is Trump is trying to clean up the mess, right?
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You go back to the agreement when Ukraine gave up their nukes.
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There was some form of protection agreement entered into and Ukraine took it as the United
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Russia has for a long time not wanted NATO on its border.
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We have continued to expand NATO to Russia's border.
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And I think this war is actually a result of much of the failure of American policy, both
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as it pertains to Ukraine and to Russia, significantly, Buck, none of which Trump was
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So he is now in this mess where he is trying to end up in a situation where he's trying to
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And so the United States is not blameless here.
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We want to be saying, oh, Slava, Ukraine, Ukraine is the hero and Russia is the villain.
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America's not coming to this situation with clean hands.
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We have in many ways created, I believe, a total mess.
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And so I hope that we can get a ceasefire here and that people can stop dying.
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My concern, Buck, is now we're moving into, OK, what does a negotiated peace look like?
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It seems to me, and I'm curious if you would agree with this, that to a large extent, wherever
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the lines are drawn now, where the stalemate has basically come to exist, it feels to me
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like Russia is going to get a large percentage of those eastern parts of Ukraine.
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Where exactly that line is drawn will be a huge debate.
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And then I hope that Russia doesn't decide to invade again.
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I don't think it will happen with Trump in office.
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But my concern is if Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom or whomever, the Andrew Cuomo, if one
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of those guys or gals were to win in 2028, I think Putin would go right back to invading
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again because I'm not sure he would respect the Democrats as he has shown he did not respect
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Obama and as he has shown he did not respect Biden.
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There are some there's some very fundamental questions here that I think Trump sees properly.
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Do we as Americans care enough about who's in control of 25 percent or so, 15, 20 percent
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of Ukraine that we're willing to lose American soldiers and and spend billions, perhaps even
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trillions of dollars, never mind the possibility of a nuclear nuclear exchange, which is the
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euphemism, of course, we use for nuking each other's militaries in the theater, which would
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And so at some level, this is all just, I think, a recognition that there's going to be
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an ability that Russia has in its sphere of influence here or to expand its sphere of
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influence here because it's not a NATO country and because we don't want to do their fighting
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And so there are limitations on what we're willing to do.
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There are also limitations on the time frame in which we're willing to continue doing what
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we are already doing in terms of the money and material and training and everything else
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It's terrible how much life has been lost here.
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You brought up Clay, and this is true, you go back to the, you know, the Maidan and
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Yanukovych and the efforts to figure out who's going to be in charge of Ukraine stretching
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back now over a decade, the West backing one side, Russia backing another.
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You know, we've been playing with this as some kind of a proxy territory for much longer
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than there have even been bullets flying over there.
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So to get this thing to be no longer a festering sore, but to be in a position where there's
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an agreement going forward, you know, as far as the Russians are concerned, look at the
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dismemberment that the Soviet Union suffered into all these different countries and all these
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For them, the notion that the map is now and forever going to remain the map is laughable,
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And they very much feel that way, and that's why they've been willing to go to this extent.
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And you'll notice that no one even talks anymore about how Putin's going to be overthrown
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In the very beginning of this conflict, delusional about how we'd be able to defeat the Russian
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war machine in this theater without actually engaging U.S. military forces in the process.
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I think there's tremendous frustration with it.
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I think it also, Clay, comes out of fighting in multiple decades-long counterinsurgency GWAT
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Maybe even, isn't it funny, Afghanistan was the good war.
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We ended up killing bin Laden in Pakistan, everybody.
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So, you know, we didn't really get very much for our Afghanistan efforts, did we?
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And then you look at Iraq, and, you know, it's marginal right now that it's better now
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I mean, so there's been a lot of reason for us to see what's going on with U.S.
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foreign policy and military interventions and say, have we learned the lesson, Clay?
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And I think that's Trump's fundamental guiding principle on this.
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Yes, I think that, unfortunately, there are a lot of people still who think, oh, no, you
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don't understand, we could do this, and they, you know, I don't know if they've just been
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playing too much Call of Duty, or I don't get it.
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I don't know why they would think that this is going to be something that we want to get
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I do not care who is in charge of Crimea, meaning I do not care enough that I want to sacrifice
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a single American or any American interest for Crimea, for Donbass, for Luhansk, and Donetsk,
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Now, that doesn't mean I don't care about the suffering of the people there.
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But, Clay, I care about the suffering of the people in South Sudan as well, which is going
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through yet another mass genocide situation in slow motion.
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But we're not about to land troops there either.
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Here's, do you agree with me on a positive side?
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If we can get a ceasefire, I actually feel like Vladimir Putin will not invade Ukraine
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Do you agree with that, that he respects Trump enough that he won't do it?
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I think that he recognizes that Trump is willing to upset the apple cart.
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No one even thought Biden was leading the country, so who cares?
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So the concern is not necessarily the next three years.
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It's, again, what you and I have been talking about, and I think it's something that everybody
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You can believe that Trump is amazing and doing phenomenal things, and we do.
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Guys, four years is not enough to fix a lot of what ails the United States.
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We've got to stick and stack several different wins together, one after the other, and that's
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why I'm already kind of focused on what happens in 26 next year and what happens in 28, because
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as enjoyable as every single day is with Trump in office right now, it's a date certain when
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it comes to a close, and a lot of our enemies out there are going to be sitting around hoping
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that they can get President Kamala Harris or President Gavin Newsom or President Andrew
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Cuomo, whoever the Democrats are going to elevate to run.
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And we've got to stack together a lot of different wins because the problems we have are so substantial.
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He's doing great stuff, but there's a lot that is still going to be very challenging over
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these next four years and are going to be problems for years to come.
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We got a lot to talk about with this man, the Senate Majority Leader from South Dakota, John Thune.
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A big night on Capitol Hill with Trump addressing Congress.
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Every single Democrat senator opposed a bill that would keep men from competing in women's sports.
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Can you believe this has become a political issue?
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And given the fact that 79% of Americans agree men should play men's sports, women should play women, including 67% of Democrats, what in the world are Democrats thinking on this bill?
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I mean, it's mind-blowing to me that this has become a political issue where the Democrats are so tethered to their, I guess, transgender, ideological, political base that they're willing to throw common sense out the window.
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I mean, this is just, to me, almost incomprehensible that we're even having this conversation.
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It's, you know, having biological males as the opponents of young women is both fundamentally unfair and it's potentially dangerous, honestly.
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And so, you know, Coach Tuberville, Tommy Tuberville, the senator from Alabama, led this on the floor.
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We had a vote on it last night, and you are correct.
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Every single Democrat to the person voted against it.
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And it's an 80-20 issue, as you point out, with the American people.
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I'm, I'm, I think they did, there was no lesson learned from the election.
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I think it's common sense issues like this that the, that the American people expect their leaders to act on, and they, they just block voted against it.
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Senator Thune, when they vote against it, though, are they claiming publicly?
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I'm just wondering, because this has just happened, and it's hard to believe that they just did this for a lot of us.
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But, I guess, if you've been paying attention to Democrats, insanity is not new to them.
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But are they saying there's some problem in the text of the bill, or some procedural, or are they openly just saying, we think dudes should be able to play against ladies, and that's the way it should be?
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Yeah, I mean, I think that's really, honestly, the substance of it.
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I, I, you know, I, you could say that the, the bill could be changed this year or that way, but it's, there's, it's really very straightforward.
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And, you know, I mean, and there was a day when Democrats would have been, you know, quick to defend Title IX, and, and here we are.
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But, you know, I mean, this is, again, I had a, I mentioned this on the floor yesterday, but I had a business professor in graduate school who used to say some things are just intuitively obvious.
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And, and I think this is one of those things that's intuitively obvious to people.
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And I, you know, something I obviously feel strongly about, I'm a, as a father of two women who played sports, and, you know, one of whom is in our high school and college hall of fame.
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I just, I can't imagine a world where you would have guys competing against women and taking away opportunities, not only to excel in their, in their field and their sport, but also for college scholarships and things that, this has serious downstream consequences.
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And, and, but the Democrats, on a substance level, on a political level, seem to have made a decision that they would rather defend, again, an ideology that is completely out of step with the American people.
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Explain to us, because I'm curious myself, I don't know, why a majority of senators voting for this, which Republicans have, and which marshaled itself last night,
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Only two, I believe, Democrats voted for it in the House, by the way.
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Zero senators in the, voted for this on the Democrat side.
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It's, it's unique to the United States Senate, but under, under our rules in the Senate, and this is kind of the system that the founders handed us,
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it takes a super majority to do almost anything consequential.
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And, and this is, so it's 60 votes in the Senate is required to move legislation with very few exceptions.
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And one of the things we're working on right now, and you've probably heard, your, your listeners have probably heard too,
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the president talk about budget reconciliation.
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When you have unified control of the government, in other words, the House, the Senate, and the White House,
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there are things you can do at 51 votes in the Senate that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do through a procedure that is,
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But on most issues, and this is an issue where, you know, again, it's a, it's a bill that we put in front of the Senate.
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And this, honestly, this was just a motion to proceed to the bill.
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This wasn't even the, this was just to get on it, just to debate it.
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They voted against even having to debate about it.
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And I know that's for most Americans, everybody's like, well, isn't 51 a majority in the Senate?
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But the rules of the Senate and the history and heritage of the Senate is such that it requires a super majority on most legislation.
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So what can you hopefully get done through that reconciliation process as some of the top agenda items?
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We've seen this, this slew of executive orders coming out from Trump.
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A lot of them we've been talking about here on the show.
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Of course, we all also know that executive orders can be overturned by the next administration if, in fact, it's a Democrat.
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What are some of the top things you're hoping can get through the Senate, the House,
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and get signed by the president using that reconciliation process?
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It's a long list, and we are going to do everything we can and push the limits of what's allowable.
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You know, there are limitations on how it can be used, but the Democrats expanded the scope of reconciliation.
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They passed two major, major, you know, $3 trillion worth of new spending in two reconciliation bills when they had unified control of the government,
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So they've given us a template for how to do it.
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Obviously, we have a very different agenda than what they wanted to do, but we're united.
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We want to enact all of President Trump's priorities as quickly as possible, and that deals with the border, securing the border.
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It's restoring American energy dominance and preventing a $4 trillion tax increase at the end of the year on the American people.
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So, you know, we believe, and I say Republicans believe, and I think the president does too, and hopefully the House will get there,
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to make these tax cuts permanent so we don't have to go back and deal with it again down the road.
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But we're here, and the Senate's ready to enact as much of the president's agenda as we can through budget reconciliation,
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and that entails all the things I just mentioned.
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And I hope that as we work through this process, we will be as aggressive as we possibly can to use that opportunity
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at a 51-vote threshold in the Senate as opposed to 60 to get as much of the president's agenda done as possible.
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We've heard a variety of different aspects out there.
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I heard early, hey, we hope to get this done by Easter.
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When do you think these bills in particular dealing with tax cuts and the budget will be complete as you look at the calendar?
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I think Easter's probably ambitious, I would say, but I think that as we look at kind of the May time frame,
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obviously we've got a deadline week after next, March 14th.
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We've got to deal with all the crap the Democrats left us, all the pileup of spending.
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They didn't do any spending bills last year, and so we're up against this deadline,
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and we've got to fund the government or the government shuts down.
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But then the reconciliation bill starts with a budget resolution.
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Both the House and Senate have to pass the same one.
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And right now we've passed budget resolutions, but they're different.
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But we'll align those, and then we will both act on it.
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And then that creates, that unlocks reconciliation.
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But reconciliation is another separate big piece of legislation.
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And so it's really kind of a two-step process, and it takes some time.
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I mean, the president wants some things done in tax policy.
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We've got a lot of senators and House members who want to see things done in tax policy
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that are different than what's in front of us in terms of just a strict extension of the current bill
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But there are all these things as we move through and these moving parts.
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And ultimately, I tell people when they ask me, can you do this, can you do that,
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that in the end it really comes down to the two numbers that matter, 218 and 51.
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And even under reconciliation, you still have to have 51 votes in the Senate.
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And as we think through what we can do and can't do, it's a function of trying to figure out
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how do we get this thing in a shape, whatever this bill looks like,
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that it can secure the necessary 218 in the House and 51 in the Senate.
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We're talking to Senate Majority Leader John Thune.
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And what sort of reception do you expect to see from Democrats?
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I was reading this morning that they're planning all sorts, potentially,
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of outrageous and outlandish disruptions during the midst of this speech, potentially.
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The Democrats are, I mean, they're still in the stages of grief.
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And they're really, they're trying to find a message.
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They're trying to get some traction with something.
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And so far, all it is, is whatever he's for, I'm going to be against.
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I think that, you know, Democrats right now are afflicted with a really,
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And so my assumption is that when they come tonight, they're going to try and be disruptive.
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And but, you know, at the end of the day, I think the American people, that's not what they want to see.
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I don't think they want to see a bunch of lefty ideologues who can't even bring themselves to vote to keep boys out of girls sports,
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you know, creating a ruckus and disruptive to the president of the United States,
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who I think will be there to talk about after four years of, you know, rising costs,
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lawlessness at the southern border, weakening of America on the world stage.
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You know, you'll be talking about turning the page and getting our country back on track.
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And I think it's a the president has a great opportunity to present to the American people how things are going to be in his second term
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and what his priorities are relative to the last four years under Biden.
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And you can just look already at what they've done at the southern border.
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I mean, the top issue in the last election and this administration has been returning order in a short amount of time.
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There were fewer than 9000 crossings at the southern border under Trump.
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I mean, this is this is how dramatically things have changed already as a result of President Trump's leadership.
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And we want to be good partners for him and do as much as we can to to get his agenda across the finish line,
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which is why we worked really hard to get his cabinet confirmed as quickly as possible.
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So it's I expect he you know, he got a decisive mandate from the American people in November.
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And I think he's going to be talking about not only what he's already done,
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but what he's going to do in the four years he has available to him to to really change the direction of this country in a way that gets it back on track.
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Majority Leader Thune, appreciate you making the time for us on Clay and Buck.
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Bill O'Reilly, best-selling author and commentator.
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But the last one was Confronting the Presidents, and you all know the Killing Series very well.
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He's also got the Three Americans Tour on, kicking off March 30th in Long Island.
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So, Bill, tell us, let's jump into this, actually, because this was news to Clay and to me.
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You, Stephen A., and Chris Cuomo all under one roof, all talking to the folks.
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I got tickets for you if you want to make the trek up to Long Island.
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And as you may know, I produced the history tour with Donald Trump, the Dennis Miller O'Reilly shows.
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And I said, you know, I wonder if we could put three really different guys together on stage and draw a crowd that is dissimilar.
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Because today, everybody's talking to the choir, you know.
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And we'll have heavy security, so brawls break out in the audience.
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You guys may have seen Stephen A. and Cuomo and me on News Nation.
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Those guys are, you know, I see it differently than they do.
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But we all have a sense of humor, and we're respectful.
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I'm super intrigued to see how this conversation goes.
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Because for much of his career, he was a straight sports guy.
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And not to say that he didn't have interest elsewhere, but he didn't really step aggressively into the political arena.
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Last couple of years, suddenly that has changed substantially.
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Now, maybe you can say, hey, 2024 is just kind of impossible to avoid the political arena.
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But to a large extent, he had tried to avoid it.
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Anyway, he's at the top of the heap for sports.
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How many, you know, Cleveland Cavalier games can you call?
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I mean, so I think you get a little bored with it.
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And he has an opportunity to get into public affairs, public policy, because he's so recognizable and articulate.
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People have, you know, melded sports with news.
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And he's so articulate that now the Washington Post and all these people are going, well, maybe Stephen will run for president.
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Because the Democratic Party don't have anybody, doesn't have anybody to run for president in four years.
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And I told him on the air, I said, that's because of Trump.
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And so Stephen A.'s got a lot of traction with all this.
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And we'll see what he's got on March 30th, you know, because he's coming up against me.
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Bill, if I could direct your attention here for a second, I'm really curious what your take is on all this tariff stuff.
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We haven't really dove into it yet today on the show.
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I mean, we mentioned at the top, but we haven't really done our full segment on it.
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So just by way of prepping everybody for what you're going to say, you got Justin Trudeau, who's talking tough and saying that Trump wants to take over all of Canada, destroy their economy.
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The Mexico tariffs, China tariffs, Canada tariffs, all this stuff.
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Because I think it's tough to keep up with a lot of the arguments and a lot of the specifics.
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Well, I know exactly what's going on because on January 2nd, I sat in a cabinet meeting with President Trump and six advisors.
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And they discussed tariffs, so I know what's going on there.
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In stock markets down significantly, people don't really understand what tariffs are.
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With Mexico, you're basically saying you better knock it off or we're going to break your economy.
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Now, in the cabinet meeting that I attended, and that was at President Trump's invitation, there wasn't a clear definition of why Canada and certain EU countries are going to be punished by tariffs.
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The overarching is that all of these countries take advantage of the United States economically, which is true.
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So we buy a lot more gear from them than they buy from us, and their governments make it difficult for us to sell American products in a lot of these countries.
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But in the meantime, he risks higher prices, and that'll be a disaster for him if that happens.
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And, you know, the trade wars, the retaliation.
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Little Justin Trudeau is out strutting around tonight, today, about what we're going to do X, Y, and Z.
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But there is damage being done to the economy now, and I believe President Trump knows that.
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He wants better deals, but you've got to watch this on an almost hourly basis.
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But how would you analyze what happened Friday with Zelensky?
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I would even bet that sometimes you may have gotten a little bit heated with President Trump yourself over different perspectives that you guys may have gotten, you know, crosswise on a little bit.
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One thing Trump always shows is the guy doesn't hold a grudge, which is so rare in politics, it almost doesn't exist.
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What was your takeaway from Friday and the subsequent reactions to that?
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So, again, I'm right in the middle of this because I know exactly what's happening here.
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I mean, when I criticize President Trump, I get a caller at Tech.
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I got a call in the middle of a football game at Tottenham Stadium in London in October, and he was actually yelling at me.
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And I said, do you realize 80,000 people are hearing this call?
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Because I had the phone on speaker because I'm in a stadium watching the Jets play the Vikings, and he's yelling at me.
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I don't care if you're unfair, you know, that kind of thing.
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But, you know, a week later, then he's seeking my counsel.
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Now, Zelensky has not crossed into the personal realm.
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So don't be surprised if tonight some deal is announced or a few days from now, and then the big Z will be the greatest guy.
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If he wins and you give him what he wants, then you are the greatest guy.
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And we've seen it time and time and time again.
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Everybody listening to Clay and Buck has got to know that.
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And by that I mean that he doesn't – he's not able to control his emotions.
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And if you're not able to control your emotions, you're immature.
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So he walks into the White House, and he's all set to sign this deal.
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He had breakfast with 11 senators at the Hay-Adams Hotel in D.C.
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And this which drove me crazy when the story broke and these pundits go out and said it was a setup.
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And I knew that anybody doing any research on that would have found out what I found out, that there was a big breakfast, 11 senators, Republicans and Democrats.
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And it was, look, just go along with Donald Trump.
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Do not challenge him, particularly in front of the press.
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But every single senator gave him the same advice, and he didn't take it because he got emotional.
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I believe that Zelensky wants to do well by his country.
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I don't believe he's a corrupt midget or whatever they call him.
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But I don't think he's at the status right now where he understands the big picture.
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He's immature, and he will not accept the fact that Ukraine cannot defeat Russia.
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No matter how many billions of dollars we send them, an EU sends them, they can't win.
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You're going to have to give up a little bit of territory, maybe 8%, 9% of your country.
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Bill, can I ask you, because I think this is really important.
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The people that, you know, you've articulated this well.
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We, you, me, Clay, we all see this in the same way, which is, I think, just reality-based.
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The opposition to this, is it just opposition to Trump getting a win?
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Is it just the emotions of supporting Ukraine and putting the little flag on your Facebook page is too exciting for people to give up?
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Because it seems to me if Ukraine can't win, and if we don't want to keep paying for this for years ad infinitum, as you say, what is the alternative to what Trump is trying to accomplish right now?
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Look, when you see a guy like Murphy, the senator, go out and say what he said about Trump as, you know, part of the Kremlin or whatever, Ukraine has nothing to do with that.
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Murphy is going out saying, this is what Murphy is saying.
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I want to destroy Donald Trump, and I'm going to use anything and everything to try to do that.
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Murphy doesn't know anything about Ukraine.
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I mean, if Murphy sat across from me, do you guys know what would happen?
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I mean, it would take me three minutes to reduce him to a puddle because he doesn't know anything, but he uses this, and so do many others, to try to destroy Trump.
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I mean, that is just so cynical, even for Democrats.
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You've got people just in a meat grinder, dying in huge numbers on both sides.
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You've got to call Murphy up, get him on tomorrow, and see what the solution is.
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None of these guys will come on and actually answer questions because, to your point, we would slice and dice them to such an extent that they would be done.
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And that Dana Cash on CNN, I used to respect her.
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No, they have totally and completely collapsed.
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Question for you that has nothing to do with all the serious things.
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You mentioned that you were over in London watching a football game.
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What if he called you for advice instead of President Trump?
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There's talk that he's going to go to the Giants now.
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If I were Mr. Rodgers, who does have some skills left, you've got to go to a team that can protect you.
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And I probably would look at some of the West Coast teams.
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He lives in Malibu, which is not a great place to live right now unless you have giant fire retardants.
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But I would probably go to Vegas because Brady owns it, part of it.
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So you take a couple of guys with you from the Jets, receivers, and you pray that the Raider offensive line can keep you upstanding.
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You know, you've got four seconds to throw the ball.
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Bill, I'm actually really curious to hear how this thing goes.
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We'll have to get you on with Stephen A. and Chris Cuomo to hear how it all goes when you guys get together.
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Is the tour going to do some extra cities, or is it just out in Long Island?
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And I've got to see, because we're all very busy.
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I mean, how long can I do this for a country business?
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But if it goes really well, then I'll do some other cities.
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So, again, it's March 30th, Sunday afternoon, 3, because there will be old people coming to see me,
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Then we're going to get into the tariffs and the big news.
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But I just I think it is interesting because we both watch this show because our wives like
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the show and it's good enough that we enjoy it, too.
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And there was a scene where these three you can tell there are three women of means in
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And they figure out while they're in this five star resort in Thailand, which is where
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Now, Texas, obviously, red, but Austin, you never know.
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Is it like a real Texan church, like with Bible thumpers?
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Well, the people are more conservative than like L.A. people or like New York.
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I don't know if I was just around a bunch of Texans who voted for Trump.
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Are we really going to talk about Trump tonight?
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The libs keep digging in, digging a little more.
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They're a little outraged, but they want that reassurance.
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I've been, I mean, I've been on first dates where it was like that, except it was, wait,
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And I'm like, yes, that's Glenn Beck, and I love guns.
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I bet there are hundreds of thousands of people out there listening to us right now, maybe
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even millions, that have had a conversation that is very similar to that, because 12 million
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A lot of people have come on board the Trump train, and I think women in particular probably
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are responding to that, because you got the LA, and let me say this, Buck, this is why
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This is probably the most popular show for entertainment people in LA and New York.
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Would you guess, like, everybody in the entertainment industry in those two cities watching this
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show, and they aren't playing, now, Austin, Texas, not the, I think a lot of you out there
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She should have been from Dallas or Houston.
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Austin would be, that would throw you off, yeah.
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But, again, the vibe read is not perfect, but what I thought was interesting is, and there's
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a later scene where the women are talking about this other woman, and they're, like, gossiping
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How in the world could she be voting Trump?
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Now, they're not playing the Trump voter as the cheap laughs, stupid, redneck, unintelligent
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Where he really, he really just, it was unfunny and took cheap shots, and they're not even,
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it's just pathetic, because the cheap shots don't even land, and it just showed that he's
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living in some alternate political reality.
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But, no, that's what's so interesting, is the Trump voter woman, if you watch this scene,
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and, you know, all through the women are, like, you know, they're very attractive, they're
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But the Trump voter is the most, at least in this exchange, now there's more episodes
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to come, and for all we know, she could have, like, a pill addiction and be crazy.
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And, by the way, she could end up being the killer.
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They could still make her, you know, the awful, deranged Trump supporter.
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But, they nailed the dynamic of Democrats, for a long time now, think, in any social
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situation, in any, whether you're in the workplace, whether you're at a, you know, a
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friend's barbecue, a cocktail party, if they are surprised to find a Trump voter or a Republican,
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which, same thing now, but in the midst, they think that they're allowed to take some kind
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of umbrage and put you through some interrogation, whereas on the other side, it's like, yeah,
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Like, sorry, you don't have good judgment, but enjoy your burger.
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And this reminds me of Adam Carolla, and I guarantee you there's a lot of our listeners
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in California right now that are nodding along in a big way.
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What I found, and Carolla mentioned this on the air with us, Buck, is that there are a
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lot of people who are working on shows, the grips, the camera guys, the set builders, who
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will come up and say privately, like, man, thank you for what you're saying.
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Like, in other words, the people standing in front of the camera oftentimes are more outspoken
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A lot of the people that put these shows on that make them physically possible are actually
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And the other thing about this is, increasingly, Buck, a lot of people who stand in front of
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the camera are still kind of hiding, but they're also starting to take, like, that half step
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out where, we mentioned this with, like, comedians.
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There are a lot of comedians out there that are Trump-supporting comedians.
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If my job was to talk to 100% of people and make them laugh, I wouldn't want to come out
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stridently, necessarily, on one political side of the equation or not, if I had everybody.
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This is my argument with Michael Jordan back in the day.
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Why would I want 50% of the population to like me less as a basketball player because of my
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But I do think this is a super popular show, and it is indicative of a major vibe shift.
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And I don't know how many of you watch it, but I guarantee you, if you're in New York City
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or L.A. media entertainment circles, this is probably the show that they watch more than
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We wanted to play that for you, even if you don't watch it, as what the vibe shift can feel like.
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You know, five years ago, or maybe even two years ago, maybe even six months ago, the
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Trump voter in a pop culture context on an HBO show would have been, you know, yeah, like,
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I don't know anything, but I just love America and have my flag.
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It would have been much more likely to be, oh, aren't they their right to be outraged that
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this woman voted for Trump or that, you know, we're led to believe she voted for Trump.
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Whereas now, what it exposed a little more was these libs, these left wingers, are living
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in this delusion where they don't realize that more than half the country voted for Trump,
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and they probably know a lot of people who voted for Trump.
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Some of you out there always say, well, I don't know why you watch a show.
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Like, I watch lots of shows where people might hate my politics, because I think I can appreciate
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somebody's talent in something while also recognizing that they may not have the same opinion as me.
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I don't presume that everybody is going to think the exact same as me.
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Doesn't mean I can't like a movie or a television show or a sport, for that matter.
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But I do think that this is emblematic of a recognition that there are a lot of people
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And I bet there's a ton of women who love White Lotus, too, that almost, in fact, I go into
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my mentions, I bet you've had a conversation almost identical to what those three women just
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At some point over the last eight years, I think huge majorities of the women listening to
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us right now, who voted Trump, have had a conversation like that with their girlfriends.
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Speaking of women who drink too much Chardonnay, Justin Trudeau.
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They've chosen to launch a trade war that will, first and foremost, harm American families.
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They've chosen to sabotage their own agenda that was supposed to usher in a new golden
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And they've chosen to undermine the incredible work we've done together to tackle the scourge
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that is fentanyl, a drug that must be wiped from the face of the earth.
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There is absolutely no justification or need whatsoever for these tariffs today.
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Bill O'Reilly mentioned this earlier in the hour.
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Go back and listen if you missed it on the Klan Buck podcast.
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We know Mexico, there's very real national security, fentanyl, economic, a whole range
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of issues that the tariffs touch on there that we, you know, that's its own set of things.
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With Canada, how much of this is just Trump wants to give Justin Trudeau a wedgie and push
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You know, I wonder how much of this is driven by just teaching Trudeau a lesson.
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The tariff debate in general is a difficult one because I don't know where the end goal
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Whereas I can tell you, hey, Trump definitely wants a ceasefire in Ukraine and he wants there
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to be peace there and he wants peace in the Middle East.
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Obviously, big picture, it is we need to manufacture more goods in the United States.
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But in terms of practical impact, what is the sweet spot where he would say, hey, you
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This is where we're getting the balance that we want.
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And so I think that is the more challenging aspect of this.
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I do think that Trump feels that Canada and Mexico have taken advantage of the United
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And I do think he's accurate about that and that we have bled to a large extent a lot of
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And that Mexico is not doing enough to stop the flow of fentanyl, which is killing 100,000
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More of success is nobody crossing illegally, which we got.
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I think what Trump wants ultimately is reciprocity from these countries because there are a lot
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And this is where people in this argument, you know, where I understand we're told by the
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the economic expert industrial complex that tariffs are attacks and tariffs are bad and
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There's still, I think, a pretty broad sense of that going on.
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And yet, why does why does China have all these tariffs against U.S. goods?
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Why does the EU have all these tariffs against U.S. goods?
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If it's so manifestly not advantageous to have tariffs, why do these countries have them
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And, Clay, I think that also leads to what Trump wants is for them not to do that.
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And so by saying and this is a little bit like the trade war issue with China from the
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first Trump administration, people kept saying, oh, no, he's going to start a trade war with
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Anybody who understood the U.S.-China trade situation would tell you we were already in a trade
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It's just they were fighting it and we were getting the short end of the stick.
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So, you know, instead of a one-way trade war, all of a sudden it turned into both people
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So I think that's just his baseline mentality on this.
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But it might get a little rocky here, everyone.
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I'm probably not going to shock you, Buck, but I do not do a great deal of shopping for
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When was the last time Laura sent you solo to the grocery store for more than one or two
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I've gone to buy like, I mean, she sends me with pictures of things that I need to buy
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on an individual basis, but I don't think I've been to the grocery store and like filled
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an entire grocery cart in like maybe in our entire marriage.
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A week from tomorrow, I'm doing something exciting with my dad appearing online in a conversation
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you don't want to miss is as far more to do with my father's expertise than mine, but
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you're going to find it really interesting and you could benefit big time.
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You know, my dad made his living researching and predicting the stock market.
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If your predictions don't come or if your predictions come true, if they don't, you got
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a fair amount of additional homework to do and some explaining.
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All that to say next Wednesday, I'm hosting that video seminar with my dad where he'll make
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It'll be online in video form and super easy for you to register free of charge online.
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Modesty aside, my dad created credit, quite a name for himself on Wall Street with his
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biggest prediction back in 87 when he called the crash in advance by 11 days.
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He also called the crash for his clients in 2009.
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These predictions are too numerous to get into in all the details right now.
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So go register for the upcoming conversation on March 12th on online and you'll see it's
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just an hour before this program starts that day to sign up for the free event.
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