Verdict with Ted Cruz - California in Chaos & Democrats side with the Rioters plus ＂Maryland Man＂ Indicted for Human Trafficking & Biden's Autopen Investigation

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00:00:05.520 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.260 And Senator, we've got one-packed show for people today.

00:00:12.080 Well, once again, California has descended into chaos.

00:00:15.720 We're seeing riots. We're seeing cars lit on fire.

00:00:18.900 We're seeing protesters waving Mexican flags, waving flags of other countries,

00:00:24.120 and defying, assaulting law enforcement.

00:00:26.820 And amazingly, we're seeing a parade of Democrats all lining up to say,

00:00:32.720 we the Democrats, we're with the rioters.

00:00:35.220 That's the side we're on.

00:00:37.200 Likewise, if you think about the illegal alien that we saw, 0.94

00:00:40.260 a parade of Democrats going down to El Salvador saying,

00:00:44.060 we're on your side as well.

00:00:45.780 Well, that particular illegal alien has been brought to America 0.99

00:00:49.120 to be tried for human trafficking.

00:00:51.900 This is an amazing illustration of exactly where today's Democrat Party stands.

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00:03:10.580 All right, so Senator, I just want to be clear.

00:03:13.940 There's no riots in California.

00:03:16.420 Peaceful protesters out there.

00:03:18.720 This is completely normal.

00:03:20.160 Maybe there's some cars on fire.

00:03:22.400 Maybe there's some Mexican flags being flung by people that are angry that they're getting deported.

00:03:26.900 You cannot make up what Democrats will defend.

00:03:30.020 Well, look, it's tragic.

00:03:31.000 It's tragic, the chaos, the violence that seems more and more commonplace in California.

00:03:36.220 That seems more and more to be to be the face of today's Democrat Party.

00:03:40.740 I want you just to watch and see what is unfolding right now in California, in Los Angeles.

00:03:47.940 And this is who today's left is.

00:03:54.000 Turning now to a Fox News alert.

00:03:56.300 Anti-ice protesters are still rioting in Los Angeles County and setting a car on fire.

00:04:02.580 You're looking at live pictures in Paramount, California right now.

00:04:06.280 In the last hour, border czar Tom Homan told us they were sending in the National Guard to California.

00:04:13.320 You know, Lydia, the damage is just striking here that we're seeing.

00:04:18.360 We also have seen reports.

00:04:20.500 There's a Fox Los Angeles reporter who's just there on scene trying to cover this story.

00:04:26.180 He said his car was destroyed by protesters.

00:04:30.880 You know, let's hope that no one is hurt and no one is injured and it doesn't escalate from here.

00:04:37.520 Look at the flag.

00:04:38.240 There it is.

00:04:39.400 Mexican flag.

00:04:40.460 That can, you know, you know, this is this is criminal activity that I hope is people are held accountable for.

00:04:47.560 And I'm talking about the riots right here.

00:04:49.420 Where are the cops?

00:04:50.160 Yeah.

00:04:50.400 Where are they?

00:04:50.980 We heard earlier that Karen Bass, the mayor of L.A., an allegation that she had prevented the LAPD from responding yesterday when he was our first developing guy for upwards of two hours or more.

00:05:01.200 To your point, where are the police?

00:05:02.620 Well, the officials in this part of the country, in Los Angeles and California, are too busy tripping over themselves to attack Donald Trump and law enforcement.

00:05:12.520 I guess those are the cops back there to actually condemn these people doing these things.

00:05:17.480 And in the intro, Alicia, you said these are anti-ICE protesters.

00:05:22.220 Yes.

00:05:22.700 But if you just squint, it could easily be the BLM protesters or the Free Palestine protesters or the Resist Doge protesters or the Resist ICE, in this case, protesters.

00:05:32.380 It is this dirtbag coalition of leftist, violent, so-called protests that has been a huge problem in this country for years.

00:05:40.680 And they are escalating.

00:05:42.120 Yeah, Conch, you don't see Democrats coming out with any sort of outrage over the destruction here.

00:05:47.880 Their outrage is the opposite.

00:05:49.740 It's over the ICE officials who are out there.

00:05:52.420 Let me give you five names where we're not hearing a lot from right now, except to attack these ICE officials, which is leading to attacks like this.

00:05:58.900 Karen Bass, Los Angeles mayor.

00:06:00.620 Gavin Newsom, California governor.

00:06:02.460 Adam Schiff, who's awfully active on X and social media condemning, to guys' point, Donald Trump, not hearing anything from him.

00:06:08.460 Eric Swalwell, as well.

00:06:10.040 You can't get away from this guy on social media attacking Trump.

00:06:12.880 Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker.

00:06:14.880 Where are you?

00:06:15.980 This is war right now that we're seeing in terms of our federal agents being attacked and California officials doing nothing to stop it.

00:06:23.020 Now, it's going to be an incredibly bad look in the next 24 to 48 hours if you don't get the governor out there, if you don't get someone out there, to at least get people to stop.

00:06:32.740 Because right now you have city leaders encouraging people to join the resistance.

00:06:38.460 You have city leaders, let's just pick it up there, encouraging people to go out there and do this.

00:06:44.540 You watched that video.

00:06:45.900 There are a lot of Mexican flags.

00:06:48.100 So I'm just trying to get my head around this.

00:06:50.500 So, Ben, I have an idea.

00:06:52.620 Let's you and me.

00:06:54.340 Let's go illegally to France.

00:06:56.780 Let's just break into France. 0.83

00:06:57.940 Once we get there, let's start rioting against France because we hate France. 0.98

00:07:04.420 Let's light the Eiffel Tower on fire. 0.95

00:07:06.680 Let's start waving the American flag around while we're lighting the Eiffel Tower on fire.

00:07:11.240 And let's say, don't you dare send us back to America, the flag we're flying, because you have no right to decide if we get to come into your country illegally.

00:07:20.700 We can do anything you want.

00:07:22.800 And if you try to enforce your laws, I guess we'll just light things on fire. 0.98

00:07:27.300 And even better, your elected officials would say, damn right, you keep burning. 0.97

00:07:33.620 And we'll send you more. 0.96

00:07:35.340 This is truly through the twilight zone.

00:07:41.120 And what is striking, let's break down several pieces of it.

00:07:44.780 First of all, let's take the media.

00:07:46.840 So we saw Fox News where they actually covered what's going on.

00:07:49.580 I want to contrast that with CNN because CNN, look, if you're a propaganda outlet, you've got a message to get out.

00:07:59.000 And you know what the message is?

00:08:00.100 Nothing to see here.

00:08:01.300 This is peaceful.

00:08:02.200 This is fine.

00:08:03.360 I mean, they are famous for the police station being on fire.

00:08:06.500 Remember the summer of rage?

00:08:08.020 And they're like, it's fiery, but peaceful.

00:08:10.300 Yeah, fiery, but peaceful protest here.

00:08:12.860 So, all right, I want you to watch CNN covering this same riot.

00:08:17.200 Watch.

00:08:17.460 So there's unrest.

00:08:20.580 Let's start with there's protest, lawful protest, which is allowed in this country.

00:08:25.880 There is some unrest generally dealt with by local law enforcement and that there needs to be state support through state police.

00:08:34.420 And sometimes even National Guard under a governor's authority.

00:08:39.080 What is happening tonight is is unprecedented.

00:08:45.240 I mean, I love it.

00:08:46.560 She's like, it's unrest.

00:08:48.140 Oh, I can't say that.

00:08:49.220 Hold on.

00:08:49.440 I got to back that up.

00:08:50.500 This is just peaceful.

00:08:51.520 And that is something that is protected.

00:08:53.600 And we're totally fine with this.

00:08:55.540 Like she admitted unrest and immediately had to run away from it.

00:08:58.720 Yeah.

00:08:58.880 And I got to say, it's striking also the video that they don't show anything on fire there.

00:09:03.040 They've learned the lesson where during during the Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots where they literally put on, if you don't remember this, they had a video of an entire store on fire.

00:09:14.040 Yeah.

00:09:14.240 And their chyron said, fiery, but peaceful protest.

00:09:19.360 Yeah.

00:09:19.660 As buildings are burning.

00:09:21.120 It is.

00:09:22.940 They've got a message.

00:09:24.540 And look, in the first video on Fox where the folks are talking, they say, where are the cops?

00:09:30.360 And you see way up at the top, a block away.

00:09:34.000 And yet there are no police officers anywhere near the protesters, no police officers anywhere near the car that's on fire.

00:09:41.220 And it's clear.

00:09:42.680 It goes back to leadership.

00:09:44.620 That's the question I want to ask you.

00:09:45.960 You look at this.

00:09:46.900 You're allowing it.

00:09:47.680 Of course the mayor ordered them to stay away.

00:09:49.720 Okay.

00:09:50.280 So I want to be, that was the question I want to ask you.

00:09:53.220 Of course.

00:09:53.500 Okay.

00:09:53.880 Of course.

00:09:54.680 Of course.

00:09:55.340 But here, you're and my friend Dana Bash.

00:09:58.220 She's got to jump in now and really defend what's going on here. 0.99

00:10:01.900 Here, give a listen.

00:10:03.120 It's pretty bad.

00:10:04.780 That's a different question.

00:10:05.780 But I just, I just want to just state for the record that what did happen in 1992 was so different from what we're seeing now.

00:10:12.680 I mean, that was, that was a, a real, a real riot that went all across the city of Los Angeles after a verdict in the Rodney King case.

00:10:23.300 This is a situation where the LA County, LA County police, it's not good, but they're saying that they have it under control.

00:10:30.800 And the, and the president is sending national troops, federal troops in a way that hasn't been done in a long time.

00:10:36.620 We can look at this and we can obviously see that it is not under control.

00:10:41.040 It's not under control.

00:10:41.960 You and I both can see that.

00:10:43.360 It's not under control.

00:10:44.460 And a riot is a riot.

00:10:46.080 They're throwing, they're throwing all types of, of objects at law enforcement.

00:10:50.600 And the president is absolutely right.

00:10:52.240 By the way, ask the people whose cars and buildings are on fire if this is a riot or not.

00:10:58.120 No, no, no.

00:10:58.400 Dana told us it's not a real riot.

00:10:59.660 It's not a real one.

00:11:00.260 It's a fake one.

00:11:01.180 It's a fake.

00:11:02.040 You know, they are familiar with fakes.

00:11:03.760 Yes.

00:11:04.100 At CNN, they are experts in fakes.

00:11:06.860 You know, it really is striking.

00:11:08.060 This is nothing to see here.

00:11:09.300 Not a real riot.

00:11:10.820 It's, it's, it's all okay.

00:11:12.460 And then she says, well, okay, it's not good, but, but, but, but it's something like a real

00:11:16.720 riot back in the old days of the nineties.

00:11:18.920 And look, there have been multiple arrests because you have these protesters are actively,

00:11:24.300 aggressively trying to stop ICE from carrying out their jobs, from enforcing immigration laws.

00:11:30.260 One of the people arrested was the president of the SEIU union.

00:11:35.320 Yeah.

00:11:35.540 Uh, who was arrested for physically actively stopping federal agents from carrying out

00:11:40.960 their jobs.

00:11:41.980 Now, now what is the reaction of, of Democrat politicians?

00:11:45.160 Well, here, take a look.

00:11:46.340 The reality is we see peaceful protests launching in Los Angeles.

00:11:51.920 And again, any violence against police officers should not be accepted.

00:11:55.480 Local authorities can handle that.

00:11:57.100 But remember, a lot of these peaceful protests are being generated because the president of

00:12:02.100 the United States is sowing chaos and confusion by arresting people who are showing up for their

00:12:09.720 immigration hearings.

00:12:11.720 They love the word peaceful, don't they?

00:12:13.180 So the phrase peaceful protests, which they say repeatedly, and notice that, so that was

00:12:17.200 Cory Booker.

00:12:18.440 Uh, and, and he's saying, well, look, you, you, you can't commit violence against cops.

00:12:22.480 Look, I'm glad he says that, uh, in part because they've seen where these riots go.

00:12:27.540 But, but at the same time that he's repeatedly saying what CNN is saying, which is, it's only

00:12:34.900 the governor and local law enforcement that can do it.

00:12:37.020 Nothing federal because President Trump has called up the National Guard and they are so

00:12:41.480 unhappy that we're actually going to see these violent protesters will be stopped from terrorizing

00:12:49.480 the communities they're engaged with.

00:12:50.920 And, and, and that's a nightmare scenario for the Democrats because anytime you have violence

00:12:56.560 like this, they are on the side of the violence.

00:12:58.600 Do you notice Booker also said the beginnings?

00:13:02.100 I, that we've talked about how orchestrated Democrats are when they do these things on

00:13:06.360 college campuses, where there's people behind them and advocacy.

00:13:09.380 Booker said this is the-

00:13:10.380 So you're suggesting the people who are paying for this are also paying for the Democrats

00:13:14.220 are going on TV defending it?

00:13:15.540 I'm saying Cory Booker seems to have some pretty good insider information that this is the

00:13:19.540 quote, beginning, his words, not mine, of, of something big.

00:13:23.840 Like this is the beginning.

00:13:25.060 And he said that on Sunday morning after a weekend of this violence, the beginning.

00:13:29.540 So you got to ask the question, are they all in on it?

00:13:33.120 Well, look, you know, uh, you look at so much of, of today's Democrat party that's paid for

00:13:38.080 by George Soros, it kind of makes you wonder if it's now George Soros and, and, and it is

00:13:42.740 all about go, go back and, and they want California to secede from America and go back to Mexico.

00:13:48.440 But, but look, Cory Booker was not, not alone.

00:13:51.420 Give another listen.

00:13:53.340 Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach and are trying to hide

00:14:01.040 their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that.

00:14:06.540 This is America.

00:14:07.860 This is not the Soviet Union.

00:14:09.120 We're not behind the Iron Curtain.

00:14:11.120 This is not the 1930s.

00:14:12.640 And every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will

00:14:18.080 of course be identified.

00:14:19.700 As a, I have a dad who's spent the majority of his life in law enforcement.

00:14:23.600 That is a threat.

00:14:25.100 Yes.

00:14:25.840 To law enforcement.

00:14:26.820 Yes.

00:14:27.240 That we're going to make sure that everyone that hates you knows who you are, where you

00:14:33.060 live, who your kids may be, who your wife is, and we're going to make you feel unsafe 0.97

00:14:38.500 for doing your job.

00:14:40.300 Look, that is grotesque.

00:14:41.580 It's one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen.

00:14:44.020 That's Akeem Jeffries, the Democrat leader in the House of Representatives.

00:14:48.360 And he's not, he's not hiding what he's saying.

00:14:51.780 He is threatening to dox, to expose, to reveal the identities of federal law enforcement agents,

00:14:58.320 ICE, because he wants threats.

00:15:01.080 He wants violence.

00:15:02.060 He wants intimidation.

00:15:03.440 He wants violence and intimidation directed at federal law enforcement.

00:15:07.080 That is grotesque.

00:15:08.080 By the way, the mayor of Boston analogized ICE to Nazis.

00:15:13.200 Yeah.

00:15:13.600 I mean, that is, understand, today's Democrat Party, this is not your grandfather's Democrat

00:15:19.920 Party.

00:15:20.700 This is a Democrat Party now. 0.98

00:15:22.520 Now, if you are an illegal alien, if you are a gang member, if you are a murderer, if you 1.00

00:15:27.600 are a rapist, the Democrats stand with you. 0.98

00:15:30.380 If you're a police officer, the Democrats are not with you. 0.99

00:15:34.320 If you are an ICE agent, they are not with you.

00:15:36.600 If you're a Border Patrol agent, they are not with you.

00:15:39.080 If you are enforcing the law, they are not with you.

00:15:41.620 And listen to what Cory Booker said.

00:15:43.440 Cory Booker said, well, Trump is causing it because he's enforcing the law.

00:15:48.680 Yeah, because he's enforcing the law.

00:15:50.580 It is.

00:15:52.080 Well, and then you've got to look at Newsom.

00:15:53.700 I mean, look at Newsom.

00:15:54.800 We had this very interesting rebranding.

00:15:58.120 I would call it Newsom, maybe 3.0, 4.0.

00:16:00.960 He's rebranded himself a lot.

00:16:02.520 He's really good at it.

00:16:03.660 He's pretending to be a moderate.

00:16:04.800 He suddenly discovered that boys and girls exist.

00:16:07.740 Yeah, it's really remarkable because, you know, 12 seconds ago, he didn't know that.

00:16:12.980 And yet here's his true colors yet again.

00:16:15.340 So here's what he tweeted out.

00:16:17.060 He says the federal government is taking over the California National Guard and deploying

00:16:21.120 2000 soldiers in Los Angeles, not because there's a shortage of law enforcement, but because

00:16:26.920 they want a spectacle.

00:16:28.380 Don't give them one.

00:16:30.000 Never use violence.

00:16:31.460 Speak out peacefully.

00:16:32.680 So understand the end of that.

00:16:34.680 Speak out peacefully.

00:16:35.420 He's calling for, I'm the governor.

00:16:37.780 I want more riots.

00:16:39.100 Yeah.

00:16:39.300 There are not enough of you out there.

00:16:40.900 More, more, more.

00:16:42.180 Somebody get Soros on line two.

00:16:44.200 George, we need more money.

00:16:45.420 Can you send out more protests now?

00:16:48.520 That is his message.

00:16:49.840 And they are furious, furious with President Trump for actually defending the communities.

00:16:55.980 Look, we saw in that first video, the law enforcement, the police officers are ordered.

00:17:01.860 Don't do anything about it.

00:17:03.540 Don't keep people safe.

00:17:05.700 We've seen, by the way, we've seen this video before.

00:17:09.620 We saw it during the Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots where, again, Democrat mayors,

00:17:16.360 Democrat governors prevented law enforcement from doing their jobs.

00:17:21.040 And by the way, look.

00:17:22.340 Well, and the word is on the street that local, I mean, local law enforcement were told on Saturday

00:17:27.480 and Friday night, stand down, like, don't get involved.

00:17:31.760 Let them do what they're going to do.

00:17:33.320 If that turns out to be like the entire policy of L.A. and the local government there,

00:17:40.060 doesn't that give even more credence to why Donald Trump should send in the National Guard?

00:17:44.440 Absolutely.

00:17:45.320 Absolutely.

00:17:46.280 And, look, I will give, though, Democrats credit for being the voice of reason, the

00:17:52.680 voice of moderation.

00:17:54.660 I want you to listen to this very careful, calm, measured analysis from a Democrat California

00:18:03.780 congresswoman.

00:18:04.720 She's assessing the situation carefully.

00:18:07.460 She's trying to balance competing interests. 1.00

00:18:09.880 Trying to protect property and lives.

00:18:11.240 And give a listen to what she has to say.

00:18:13.360 Ice get the f*** out of L.A. so that order can be restored. 0.98

00:18:17.800 There it is. 0.97

00:18:18.500 If Ice would just leave and all the illegal immigrants can do what they want to do, and 1.00

00:18:22.580 we've had no crime problems in California in the last year or so.

00:18:26.020 So understand their message also.

00:18:28.740 They do not want federal immigration laws enforced.

00:18:32.120 She wants Ice out of the state. 1.00

00:18:34.200 And by the way, to be clear, her message also, every illegal alien in America, please come

00:18:39.280 to California.

00:18:40.180 Yeah.

00:18:40.400 Because that's who she represents.

00:18:43.200 That is, and I don't even know that congresswoman. 0.64

00:18:45.640 She's one of the many left-wing Democrats.

00:18:47.500 There's a lot of them from California.

00:18:49.300 They blur together.

00:18:51.780 You know, she has, look, I give her credit.

00:18:56.400 Apparently she's volunteering to join AOC and Ilhan Omar and the other kooks to be the

00:19:03.520 face of today's Democrat Party.

00:19:06.520 This is sad.

00:19:07.520 Final question on this.

00:19:09.500 You look at the president's decision to send the National Guard, and you look at Democrats

00:19:13.560 now clearly wanting a fight.

00:19:15.620 They're wanting more illegals to come out.

00:19:18.240 Is this one of those things where they think this is a positive nationwide?

00:19:21.760 I mean, how could you think that burning down cities, attacking your neighbor's property,

00:19:28.420 burning cars, attacking law enforcement is somehow a political win?

00:19:31.160 I don't understand that.

00:19:33.000 While you're riding a motorcycle around a burning car, waving a Mexican flag.

00:19:38.940 Bingo.

00:19:39.560 Look, at the end of the day, apparently those individuals, and we saw Mexican flags everywhere

00:19:46.260 you look, apparently those individuals, they want America to be Mexico.

00:19:50.260 What else do you, and by the way, look, Mexico is a beautiful country.

00:19:53.600 If you want to go to Mexico, go to Mexico. 0.98

00:19:55.660 But, but.

00:19:56.240 If you want to fly the flag, go to Mexico. 0.96

00:19:58.080 But you don't have a right to defy federal law, to come here illegally.

00:20:04.800 And yet that is, at the end of the day, that is what today's Democrat Party stands for.

00:20:11.460 It is their core belief.

00:20:13.040 It is their reason for being.

00:20:15.600 And you asked if they think this is a winning message.

00:20:18.300 Well, it depends who you're talking to.

00:20:20.220 If you're talking to your radicals, if you're talking to your zealots, if you're talking to

00:20:24.320 The people that fund this stuff.

00:20:25.320 Yeah.

00:20:25.540 If you're talking to the big, big money donors, yes, that's a winning message.

00:20:29.040 If you're talking to the people who wrote checks on the anti-Israel and anti-America protests

00:20:33.860 on college campuses, it's a great message.

00:20:36.020 If you're actually talking to ordinary Americans, if you're talking to soccer moms, if you're talking

00:20:40.860 to people who would like their kids safe, if you're talking to people who don't

00:20:44.600 really want to see their neighborhoods lit on fire, I question, as Br'er Rabbit said,

00:20:53.240 throw me in that briar patch.

00:20:54.740 Well, you know, I question if they're going to be happy with this decision come next election

00:21:01.320 day.

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00:21:31.660 Which brings me to story number two, and it's one that is just maybe one of, I laughed when

00:21:40.000 I saw the news.

00:21:41.040 I thought this was a brilliant move by the Trump administration.

00:21:44.820 Democrats have been obsessed with the Maryland father, the Maryland man, who just happened

00:21:49.780 to get deported, who was an illegal immigrant, who was caught human smuggling through my home

00:21:54.560 state of Tennessee.

00:21:55.820 And they act like it never happened.

00:21:58.280 And now all of a sudden, we're like, they were demanding you bring him home, bring him

00:22:01.960 back to America. 0.89

00:22:02.620 Well, guess what?

00:22:03.580 The dude's coming home.

00:22:05.040 He is indeed.

00:22:06.620 And he has been brought to be prosecuted.

00:22:11.920 He has been indicted.

00:22:13.300 He has been indicted for human trafficking.

00:22:16.440 Wait, I thought he was just a Maryland dad, not a human trafficker.

00:22:18.940 Well, I will tell you, I'm holding the indictment in my hand, and it is stunning.

00:22:24.200 So how long was he a human trafficker?

00:22:26.480 Well, according to the indictment, from in or around 2016 through in or around 2025, so

00:22:35.620 for nine years.

00:22:36.500 That's a pretty good career.

00:22:38.440 Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia and others known and unknown to the grand jury conspired to bring

00:22:45.520 undocumented aliens to the United States from countries such as Guatemala, El Salvador,

00:22:50.800 Honduras, Ecuador, and elsewhere, ultimately passing through Mexico before crossing into

00:22:55.740 Texas.

00:22:56.260 Very nice.

00:22:56.760 They came into Texas.

00:22:58.340 The co-conspirators knew the undocumented aliens did not possess authorization to enter

00:23:03.720 the United States.

00:23:05.140 They used cell phones.

00:23:06.840 They used social media applications.

00:23:08.560 The indictment also alleges Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia was a citizen of El Salvador, was

00:23:17.320 not a United States citizen, was living in the United States, and was also a member and

00:23:24.520 associate of the transnational criminal organization MS-13.

00:23:30.900 No, he's a dad.

00:23:32.260 Hold on a second.

00:23:33.180 You can't say that.

00:23:34.180 This is just a Maryland dude.

00:23:35.780 Maryland dad.

00:23:36.500 Maryland man.

00:23:37.160 And by the way, they accurately describe MS-13.

00:23:41.160 MS-13 was a criminal enterprise engaged in, among other activities, acts and threats involving

00:23:46.960 murder, extortion, narcotics trafficking, firearms trafficking, alien smuggling, and money

00:23:53.320 laundering.

00:23:54.300 MS-13 operated throughout North and Central America, including in El Salvador, Guatemala,

00:23:58.900 Mexico, the United States, including in Texas, Maryland, New York, Tennessee, and elsewhere.

00:24:03.100 Now, how many illegal aliens do you think he's charged with smuggling?

00:24:09.940 I'm assuming zero because he's just a Maryland man.

00:24:12.120 He's just a Maryland dad.

00:24:13.700 He's a Maryland dad.

00:24:15.020 I want to read this paragraph.

00:24:18.440 Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, as detailed further below, used his status in MS-13 to further

00:24:26.400 his criminal activity.

00:24:26.900 Right, not his status as a father or dad, as a MS-13 gang member.

00:24:32.460 Over the course of the conspiracy, the co-conspirators knowingly and unlawfully transported, wait for

00:24:41.120 it, thousands of undocumented aliens, many of whom were MS-13 members and associates.

00:24:51.640 So you're bringing in people that are now a member of a terrorist organization into the

00:24:57.200 country, so not just random people paying.

00:25:00.100 He was smuggling in members of the terrorist organization in the United States of America

00:25:03.820 for not one year, not two, not three, not four, not five years, but nine years.

00:25:08.500 Yes, and look, the fact that DOJ brought this indictment means, presumably, they have

00:25:14.640 the evidence to prove this indictment.

00:25:16.200 They're going to put on that evidence.

00:25:17.360 They're going to put on that evidence that this guy was a gang member for nine years,

00:25:23.580 that he was part of a conspiracy that smuggled thousands of people illegally, including other

00:25:29.080 gang members.

00:25:31.480 You think the media is going to apologize for any of their stories when they're attacking

00:25:34.720 Trump and saying that he just sent a Maryland dad, a Maryland man?

00:25:37.980 And understand, this is the same illegal immigrant that my colleague, Chris Van Hollen, Democrat

00:25:44.600 from Maryland, flew down and had really what was a very sweet margarita with.

00:25:51.120 I mean, it was a bro man holding.

00:25:52.980 It was a moment.

00:25:53.660 It was a bro moment.

00:25:54.740 It, you know, as I tweeted out at the time, you know, find somebody who looks at you the

00:26:01.040 way Democrats look at illegal alien MS-13 gang members.

00:26:04.460 Like, the sweet nothings in his eyes as he looked on.

00:26:11.440 And by the way, you saw Democrat House members, you know, all on a parade to go down there.

00:26:16.440 They wanted to use your tax dollars to go see the Maryland man.

00:26:19.180 This is the face of the Democrat Party.

00:26:21.640 This is who they stand for.

00:26:23.100 So look, you ought to ask yourself at home, am I an MS-13 gang member who's a human trafficker

00:26:28.920 who smuggles in thousands of illegal aliens, who smuggles in gang members? 0.92

00:26:33.480 If so, the Democrats are the party for me.

00:26:36.680 If you're not, if you kind of think we don't want human traffickers and gang members in America,

00:26:42.160 well, then I don't know what the Democrats have to say.

00:26:43.760 Is this like the ultimate FAFO, like, moment?

00:26:46.380 Because for Democrats, and I want people to understand the funniest part of the story,

00:26:51.460 Democrats demanded we bring him back.

00:26:53.840 He's coming back, going to go to jail for a long time.

00:26:56.920 And then after he serves his time, apparently, we're going to send him right back to the country

00:27:01.140 where he just came from.

00:27:02.240 Like, it didn't just go from bad to worse.

00:27:04.340 Like, he would have been better off just staying where he was.

00:27:07.020 Democrats actually are putting this man in jail.

00:27:09.120 And these facts, the facts that prove he was a human trafficker,

00:27:14.220 the facts and evidence that DOJ is going to put on,

00:27:17.400 I hope and believe the American people need to know those facts because they need to know.

00:27:21.520 Look, we've already in this podcast cover how the guy is allegedly a wife beater,

00:27:25.620 that he has a long history of criminality.

00:27:29.260 We played the audio of him being caught human trafficking.

00:27:33.680 But at the time, we didn't know that there was a decade worth of thousands of people

00:27:39.300 being trafficked, including other gang members.

00:27:43.120 Tell for what you wish for, right?

00:27:44.480 And by the way, to understand, look, I don't know specifically what this gang member did, 0.97

00:27:51.120 but I'll tell you, MS-13, when they are human trafficking, they are raping women. 0.99

00:27:56.000 They are raping children. 1.00

00:27:57.540 They are abusing women and children. 1.00

00:28:00.540 They are abusing little boys, little girls. 1.00

00:28:04.740 They're soulless. 0.98

00:28:05.760 They do not care about human life or using human life. 0.85

00:28:08.720 It is, MS-13 is evil.

00:28:12.640 And in Texas, we see the atrocities they carry out.

00:28:16.740 I fully expect the evidence that comes out in this trial to be nothing short of horrifying.

00:28:21.980 And I got to say, if you're a Democrat and you've decided the entire future of your party

00:28:28.660 is defending this guy.

00:28:30.060 Yeah.

00:28:30.740 You know what's weird, Ben?

00:28:31.600 I'm not sure the Democrats are worried right now.

00:28:33.620 I don't think they are.

00:28:34.500 I mean, that's the strangest thing, is in the face of this...

00:28:39.780 There used to be in politics moments where you knew you screwed up, where even your party...

00:28:43.360 Look, they're all in on California and still on defending this guy.

00:28:46.800 Their position is, is that one Democrat congresswoman said,

00:28:50.780 law enforcement, get the F out. 0.98

00:28:52.840 That's their message.

00:28:54.240 No cops, no ICE, no border patrol.

00:28:56.620 We don't defend.

00:28:57.620 We don't defend California.

00:28:58.840 We don't arrest bad guys. 0.82

00:29:00.400 But gang members and murderers, you're a peeps.

00:29:03.560 Amazing.

00:29:03.960 I want to move to one final issue, and it's one that has gotten a lot of attention in

00:29:08.660 conservative circles.

00:29:10.220 It's certainly one that the media just refuses to talk about.

00:29:13.960 And the president clearly wanted to use the power this week of his microphone to bring

00:29:19.100 up the issue of the auto pin when it comes to Joe Biden investigating.

00:29:24.080 What did he know?

00:29:25.040 When did he know it?

00:29:26.080 Did he have any clue what he was signing with the auto pin?

00:29:28.820 Was he even directing the auto pin to be used?

00:29:31.120 Or were there people that were literally playing president that were saying, I want to hook

00:29:36.380 this political favor up or this pardon up or this piece of legislation or this executive

00:29:40.840 order up?

00:29:41.380 And he had no idea it was even happening.

00:29:43.760 Well, and President Trump did a really good job explaining this in the Oval Office this

00:29:48.680 past week.

00:29:49.680 Give a listen.

00:29:51.000 The predecessor dismissed your auto pin investigation.

00:29:54.280 He said he made all the decisions during his presidency.

00:29:56.180 I'm curious your reaction to his dismissal.

00:29:58.680 Well, the auto pin, I think, is the big scandal outside of the rigged election of 2020.

00:30:03.640 I think the biggest scandal of the last many years is the auto pin and who's using it.

00:30:08.800 I happen to think I know, OK, because I'm here and I'm not a big auto pin person, fortunately.

00:30:14.480 I'm glad.

00:30:15.240 I'm very glad.

00:30:16.000 It's an easy way out.

00:30:17.620 But it's a very bad thing, very dangerous.

00:30:21.080 You know, I sign important documents.

00:30:22.520 Usually when they put documents in front of you, they're important.

00:30:25.020 Even if you're signing ambassadorships or I consider that important.

00:30:30.160 I think it's inappropriate.

00:30:31.180 You have somebody that's devoting four years of their life or more to being an ambassador.

00:30:35.840 I think you really deserve that person deserves to get a real signature, not an auto pin signature.

00:30:41.080 And I can tell auto pin easily.

00:30:42.880 I can look at it like two little pinholes from pulling the paper.

00:30:48.380 Right.

00:30:48.640 You always see the pinholes.

00:30:49.940 Yeah.

00:30:50.260 It's real easy to tell about auto pin.

00:30:52.120 I think it's very disrespectful to people when they get an auto pin signature outside.

00:30:58.600 Auto pin to me are used when thousands of letters come in from young people all over the country and you want to get them back.

00:31:04.260 And, you know, people use auto pins for that to send a little signature at the bottom of a letter.

00:31:10.820 We have thousands of them.

00:31:12.340 We get thousands of letters a week.

00:31:15.680 And it's not possible to do.

00:31:18.060 I'd like to do it myself.

00:31:19.400 You can't do it.

00:31:20.160 To me, that's where auto pins start and stop.

00:31:24.480 But I don't think I don't I'm sure that he didn't know many of the things.

00:31:28.500 Look, he was never for open borders.

00:31:30.500 He was never for transgender for everybody.

00:31:33.200 He was never for men playing in women's sports. 0.70

00:31:36.200 I mean, he changed all of these things that that changed so radically.

00:31:39.960 I don't think he had any idea that what was frankly, I said it during the debate and I say it now.

00:31:46.440 He didn't have much of an idea what was going on.

00:31:49.180 He shouldn't be.

00:31:51.140 I mean, essentially, whoever used the auto pin was the president.

00:31:55.000 And that is wrong.

00:31:57.140 It's illegal.

00:31:57.960 It's so bad.

00:31:58.680 And it's so disrespectful to our I look at what he said there and I go back to something that that is you've seen auto pin.

00:32:06.680 Do you have the auto pin?

00:32:07.480 I've never asked you that.

00:32:08.200 Yeah.

00:32:08.600 OK, so I've I've gone in office before to get a birthday card or something done when I worked in D.C.

00:32:13.320 People would come over and say, hey, can we get this written?

00:32:15.620 It's somebody's 70th anniversary or 70th birthday.

00:32:18.540 And they'll go, yeah, sure.

00:32:20.300 And you'll they'll put it together and they'll get it auto auto pin signed because there's so many requests like this.

00:32:25.580 But he's right.

00:32:26.420 Being the president of the United States of America, there's a lot of if it's being put in front of you, it probably deserves a signature if it's making it to be in front of you.

00:32:36.720 Well, let's draw a distinction.

00:32:38.000 First of all, let me explain what an auto pin is.

00:32:40.160 It's a machine where literally you have a mechanical arm that holds a pen, typically a sharpie.

00:32:45.660 Most most signatures are used with sharpies.

00:32:49.180 And so I've got an auto pin.

00:32:50.320 As far as I know, I think every member of Congress has my birthday card.

00:32:52.980 You're telling me it was not really signing.

00:32:54.780 No, no.

00:32:54.960 When I made fun of you, that that was definitely written by me.

00:32:59.660 And but but you use it for, you know, correspondence.

00:33:04.520 I mean, in my time in the Senate, I've literally gotten millions of letters from constituents.

00:33:08.900 Yeah.

00:33:09.520 And we send out millions of letters in response.

00:33:13.240 And so you could spend literally every waking moment doing nothing but signing that correspondence.

00:33:18.200 And so what you do instead, every congressional office has a correspondence office where for a given topic, if you ask me about illegal immigration, we have a letter in the office where that lays out your plans, my views on illegal immigration.

00:33:32.820 And they're the policy team helps draft those and they get approved.

00:33:36.840 You know, I suspect we'll have a letter shortly on on these these L.A. riots and what's happening there.

00:33:42.360 Whatever the topics are that people are writing in on, a congressional office will prepare a letter that's response responsive to it.

00:33:49.460 And those will get auto pin.

00:33:50.660 That is very different from something that requires a signature to have legal effect.

00:33:56.120 And they're really.

00:33:57.800 That's a great distinction way of describing it.

00:34:00.200 There are three categories that are consequential here.

00:34:04.500 Pardons, executive orders and laws.

00:34:07.260 And let me break all three of these down, because there's real legal significance in the question that President Trump is raising.

00:34:15.520 All right.

00:34:15.780 First of all, pardons.

00:34:16.920 Yeah.

00:34:17.340 There are a whole bunch of folks that Joe Biden pardoned.

00:34:21.680 Controversial pardons, by the way.

00:34:23.620 So including.

00:34:25.100 So on the same day, Joe Biden pardoned Anthony Fauci.

00:34:28.880 He pardoned General Milley, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then he pardoned every member of the January 6th commission.

00:34:38.920 So he pardoned Benny Thompson and Liz Cheney and Zoe Lofgrim and Adam Schiff and Pete Aguilar, Stephanie Murphy and Jamie Raskin and Elaine Loria and Adam Kinzinger.

00:34:48.920 And by the way, they were they were begging for these pardons.

00:34:52.540 All nine of them got pardoned.

00:34:53.880 It's being reported now that that the one pardon that that Biden signed personally was his son, Hunter, Hunter Biden's part, but that all of the rest of these pardons were auto pens.

00:35:08.680 And here's what President Trump tweeted out.

00:35:11.940 He said, quote, the pardons that Sleepy Joe gave to the unselect committee of political thugs and many others.

00:35:18.100 I got to say I love nobody writes like Donald Trump.

00:35:21.300 Yeah.

00:35:21.420 Are hereby declared void, vacant and of no further force or effect because of the fact that they were done by auto pen.

00:35:29.860 In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them.

00:35:32.060 But more importantly, he did not know anything about them.

00:35:35.480 The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or approved by Biden.

00:35:40.780 Now, let's talk about pardons first.

00:35:43.940 So pardons do not have to be in writing.

00:35:46.840 OK.

00:35:47.060 If you look at the language of the Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 says in relevant part,

00:35:56.100 the president shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States.

00:36:03.580 So the Constitution does not specify any particular form of a pardon.

00:36:08.760 It doesn't specify it has to be in writing.

00:36:10.380 It simply says the president shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons.

00:36:16.400 So with respect to pardons, whether it's signed or not, that's not a constitutional requirement.

00:36:22.360 But what is a constitutional requirement is that the president grant it.

00:36:26.860 Interesting.

00:36:26.940 And so what what President Trump alleged is Biden didn't know about this, didn't know what he was doing.

00:36:34.820 It was not his decision.

00:36:36.680 I think it is entirely possible that we will see the Department of Justice prosecute someone who has received one of these auto pen pardons.

00:36:47.120 Really?

00:36:47.400 If they prosecute someone, it's going to be someone for whom there is clear evidence of a federal criminal violation.

00:36:55.760 But also it will be someone who there is evidence that Biden didn't know about it.

00:37:04.220 So they would have to bring to do that.

00:37:06.040 They would have to bring evidence he didn't know about it.

00:37:07.900 And then does that kick off the big grand debate and the investigation because you bring those charges to say, OK, let's see if you can prove that he did know about it.

00:37:17.200 So so look, if if DOJ brought an indictment against someone that Biden had pardoned using an auto pen, the defense lawyer would almost immediately seek to get the indictment dismissed because of the pardon.

00:37:29.460 Sure.

00:37:30.120 And I would expect the court to litigate that DOJ would argue this is not a valid pardon because it was not issued by the president.

00:37:37.900 It was issued by a staffer manning the auto pen.

00:37:40.340 And the question would be, did Joe Biden approve and authorize it personally or was this just the staff?

00:37:48.800 They just said, hey, give my buddy or a friend or a colleague or our ally this.

00:37:53.300 So, for example, they would look to.

00:37:55.460 All right.

00:37:55.680 Did Biden make public statements about it?

00:37:57.500 Was he interviewed?

00:37:58.180 Did he stand at a podium?

00:37:59.620 What did he say?

00:38:01.060 Because that would go to.

00:38:02.740 Was he aware of it?

00:38:04.000 And did he approve it?

00:38:05.480 Now, let's focus on on statutes.

00:38:09.480 Can the president sign a law and have it become a federal law by auto pen and not by signature?

00:38:17.020 And here, actually, the question is actually pretty similar to the pardon question.

00:38:23.120 It comes down to what Biden knew.

00:38:26.840 So, actually, in 2005, the U.S. Department of Justice, the Office of Legal Counsel, they issued a formal opinion whether the president may sign a bill by directing that his signature be affixed to it.

00:38:38.060 And the summary of the conclusion was the president need not personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill he approves and decides to sign in order for the bill to become law.

00:38:51.320 Rather, the president may sign a bill within the meaning of Article 1, Section 7, by directing a subordinate to affix the president's signature to such bill, for example, by auto pen.

00:39:02.720 And here, the statutory language is, or rather the constitutional language is more explicit.

00:39:09.660 So, here's what Article 1, Section 7 says.

00:39:12.200 Quote,

00:39:12.600 Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate shall, before it becomes a law, be presented to the president of the United States.

00:39:26.620 If he approves, he shall sign it.

00:39:30.240 So, sign it is explicitly there.

00:39:32.640 You can't orally sign a law.

00:39:35.900 You have to sign it.

00:39:37.780 That's why bill signings are such a big deal.

00:39:39.480 Now, what the Department of Justice concluded, and this is a lengthy opinion, is the settled understanding of the meaning of sign.

00:39:49.640 An individual can sign a document by directing that his signature be affixed to it by another.

00:39:55.520 And so, they conclude this settled understanding of the meaning of sign leads us to conclude that Article 1, Section 7 permits the president to sign a bill by directing a subordinate to affix the president's signature to it.

00:40:07.700 Now, I've got to say, as a legal matter, I think there's a strong case to be made that that is accurate, that you can authorize someone to sign a binding legal document for you if you're the decision maker.

00:40:21.600 And you say, hey, I'm on a plane is a great example, national emergency, worst case scenario.

00:40:26.120 And you say, sign that right now to do what X, Y, or Z.

00:40:29.140 And let me give you an example I have personal experience with.

00:40:32.720 So, as you know, when I came out of law school, I was a law clerk for Chief Justice William Rehnquist on the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:40:40.280 And every time there is an execution in this country, almost without fail, there are emergency appeals that go to the Supreme Court.

00:40:50.500 And they often will go and be concluded at midnight or 1 or 2 or 3 in the morning because typically the death warrant is carried out right before midnight.

00:41:01.820 And so, the appeals are filed last minute.

00:41:03.900 And so, when that happens, there is a law clerk from every justice that remains at the court until the matter is resolved.

00:41:11.820 And the chief justice had jurisdiction over the D.C. Circuit, but also the Fourth Circuit, which covers a number of states that have capital punishment.

00:41:21.660 And so, when the execution occurs in the circuit that your justice is the lead for, the justices will vote.

00:41:30.260 They do it by phone, so you will read the emergency appeals, you'll summarize the emergency appeals, you'll call your justice, wake him or her up, explain the issues, and then the justices will vote.

00:41:41.180 But at the end of the process, the very last thing that happens in the process is there is a form that is sent to the prison.

00:41:50.840 And there were multiple, essentially, death warrants that I signed, and I would sign them, WHR slash TC.

00:42:01.880 WHR was William Hubbs-Renquist.

00:42:04.160 So, I'm signing for the chief justice slash TC because the chief was home in bed, so he was not physically signing it.

00:42:11.500 But because I had authorization to sign it, you'd literally put it on then a fax machine.

00:42:16.040 And at the prison, they'd pull it off the fax machine, and that signature that I had signed for the chief justice was sufficient to carry out an execution.

00:42:25.360 The TC at the end, is that just to clarify that you did it on behalf?

00:42:29.400 Yes. Okay.

00:42:29.880 And you see that sometimes secretaries, when they sign for someone, will do the same thing and put the slash to say who is signing it.

00:42:37.340 But what I would say, the critical question in terms of a law, look, there will be an argument that the word sign in the Constitution means sign.

00:42:47.860 And so, it's not a frivolous argument that the auto pen can't do it in any circumstance, and I would expect that potentially to be made.

00:42:55.240 Argument to be made.

00:42:55.740 But the more powerful argument is, did the president direct that his signature be affixed to it?

00:43:06.800 Or did a staffer go rogue?

00:43:09.480 Did a staffer just say, yep, this is our policy, so put it in the auto pen, it's signed.

00:43:14.240 And listen, White Houses keep records.

00:43:16.520 You've worked in a White House.

00:43:17.580 They keep meticulous records.

00:43:19.080 Especially on this level.

00:43:20.260 And so, I fully expect there to be litigation questioning, looking for a statute where there is not clear indication that Biden was aware of it, that he made a decision to sign it, but rather that simply you had a White House staffer say, okay, this is our policy, let's sign it.

00:43:42.580 And if that's the case, I think there's, if the president did not direct that his signature be affixed to it, I think there's a real argument that is not a law.

00:43:52.260 That is not validly in the United States Code.

00:43:55.120 That law is null and void.

00:43:57.160 I think that, and by the way, it's not sufficient for the president at the outset to say, hey, I support this law.

00:44:05.360 Okay, that's different from, you can say you support all sorts of law.

00:44:08.600 Sure.

00:44:08.720 That's different from making the decision, I am going to sign this law right now.

00:44:17.100 Look, there are all sorts of laws that you can say you support, but the legislative process is like sausage baking.

00:44:22.860 You don't even know what's in the thing until it passes.

00:44:25.620 And so, finding early statements from Biden that I support such and such policy is not enough.

00:44:31.700 I expect the question to be, and by the way, you don't have to wait for litigation because Donald Trump has access to all of the White House records that will show, did Biden make those decisions?

00:44:47.500 That's why ordering that investigation is so strong, because if they find a law that there is no record of Joe Biden saying, I want to sign this and I am directing you to sign this, then I think there's a real argument that law is not validly enacted.

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