Verdict with Ted Cruz - Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Nov 10 2025

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00:00:04.040 Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

00:00:09.200 Welcome, everybody, to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:15.660 Much to discuss.

00:00:17.160 The government shutdown.

00:00:18.960 Where are we on this one?

00:00:20.240 Inching closer to official reopening here.

00:00:25.680 There is a deal in the Senate.

00:00:27.260 So it looks imminent that the government will be formally opened.

00:00:34.240 But Democrats took this through the election and sure enough turned around and said, you know what?

00:00:41.580 We probably should open this government at some point, considering that people are getting stuck on tarmac.

00:00:46.140 Flights are being delayed.

00:00:47.400 Government employees aren't being paid.

00:00:49.720 Air traffic controllers.

00:00:51.240 All of those things going on here.

00:00:55.640 And it seems, Clay, increasingly clear that the pain and chaos was the point of what the Democrats were doing all along.

00:01:04.620 Their desire was exactly what we saw, which was to frustrate people, to make them anxious, to make them agitated in advance of the elections.

00:01:15.600 And you, sir, yes.

00:01:18.500 Go ahead.

00:01:18.980 You look like, I can't tell if you're swiveling around with energy about this or you're just in your new studio.

00:01:24.080 I'm in my new studio.

00:01:25.900 So, Buck, there's several things that could go awry.

00:01:28.680 First of all, we're going to have to get a picture taken. 0.76

00:01:30.820 I am attempting, and you're going to think this is the most ridiculous of all decisions that I've ever made.

00:01:36.200 I'm attempting now to do the show from a treadmill.

00:01:40.560 Like, I'm trying to walk, like, four miles. 0.81

00:01:44.560 Yeah, you're losing your mind that I'm probably going to step off and this is going to be ridiculous.

00:01:48.880 We have designed, in the new studio, I have a walking desk where I am right now attempting to do, like, four miles.

00:01:58.620 Instead of sitting, this is my attempt to make America healthy again.

00:02:02.960 I'm trying to do the show, like, totally normal, just standing here.

00:02:07.820 Yeah. 0.57

00:02:08.360 So, at some point, if I just take a wrong step, at some point, I may just kill myself.

00:02:14.460 This is going to be an interesting decision.

00:02:16.800 All I saw was you, the shoulders moving side to side, and I thought you were just so excited to talk about the shutdown that you couldn't contain yourself.

00:02:24.980 Like, my baby does this.

00:02:26.380 When I walk in the room, if he hasn't seen me, he shakes side to side.

00:02:30.020 But that is, in fact, not what's going on.

00:02:31.500 You're walking while doing the radio show.

00:02:34.860 I'm going to have to, this is going to take me a beat to get used to this. 0.94

00:02:37.660 Get adjusted to, and also, for people watching on the new cameras, I am told that I look like a penis with two different logos of Clay and Buck on either side of me.

00:02:50.160 So, there's no telling how much will go awry before we get this all fixed.

00:02:54.460 But, even if we are a mess on the show, optically, Buck, we're not as much of a mess as the Democrat Party is right now.

00:03:04.980 They have completely screwed this all up.

00:03:08.520 And this is yet another story that I would say we got completely right. 1.00

00:03:12.960 Because we told you that they wanted to have their stupid no kings protest. 0.98

00:03:18.920 And we told you that they wanted to have the election in Virginia with all of the federal employees who were likely to be showing up. 0.99

00:03:28.400 And that as soon as they did that, which they did, at some point they would buckle.

00:03:33.660 And it's amazing how quickly we pivoted from, boy, Republicans have got a real issue here to try to figure out exactly what's going on, to, boy, Democrats are a mess.

00:03:46.720 Eight Democrat senators have joined in.

00:03:49.860 And now, as a result, I think you're going to see a real civil war breaking out among the Democrat Party over how do they solve that?

00:04:00.220 What is the next step?

00:04:01.920 What should they do going forward?

00:04:04.200 And I don't know that they even have a very good answer.

00:04:06.660 Because right now, Hakeem Jeffries is speaking on CNN Live.

00:04:10.600 And he's screaming at everybody.

00:04:12.720 And these eight senators have come out and they've made the choice that they wanted to make.

00:04:18.340 And so, I just think this is exactly what we told everybody was going to happen.

00:04:23.500 They had no plan.

00:04:25.100 They got nothing.

00:04:26.620 They threw a temper tantrum.

00:04:28.200 You've got a six-month-old.

00:04:29.480 Hopefully, he's not having temper tantrums yet.

00:04:31.980 Oh, speed is way better behaved than Democrat senators.

00:04:35.040 It's not even close.

00:04:35.680 At some point in time, you get the temper tantrum that comes out and there is no result.

00:04:40.840 And they're going to be even more frustrated.

00:04:42.920 The left is going to lose their mind over this.

00:04:45.780 So, Trump put this out.

00:04:47.720 As we've said, there's already been agreement.

00:04:49.620 I don't think Democrats could really walk back from this in the Senate after they've made these concessions.

00:04:55.220 And we'll get into some of the specifics of what the deal looks like to get the government back open.

00:04:59.920 Over the weekend, Trump was saying, and many others were saying, too, nuke the filibuster, time to go all out, time to make the—and there may still be an argument underway about that.

00:05:09.360 But here's what Trump says about air traffic controllers.

00:05:11.660 This is always, Clay, historically, where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, on the shutdown.

00:05:18.200 When people really get angry is when air traffic is a complete mess.

00:05:24.060 And you have people that are not able to go on business trips, on vacations, go see relatives, waiting three hours, waiting 24 hours, you know, cancel flights, all that stuff.

00:05:33.420 So, Trump put this out.

00:05:34.480 All air traffic controllers must get back to work now.

00:05:38.640 Anyone who doesn't will be substantially docked.

00:05:40.960 For those air traffic controllers who were great patriots and didn't take any time off during the Democrat shutdown hoax,

00:05:46.860 I will be recommending a bonus of $10,000 per person for distinguished service to our country.

00:05:53.220 For those that did nothing but complain and took time off, even though everyone knew they would be paid in full, I am not happy with you.

00:06:00.000 Very Trump here.

00:06:01.860 Very Big Daddy Trump letting everybody know where he stands on this.

00:06:05.560 Yeah, and look, I do think if you're a Democrat and you are convinced that Trump is a king,

00:06:11.600 and you are convinced that Trump is Hitler, and you finally had your party say,

00:06:16.940 we're not going to take this anymore, and then they just meekly come back and say,

00:06:22.380 actually, we're just going to open the government back up.

00:06:24.660 And I do think, Buck, this is a function of all of the travel issues,

00:06:29.760 because whether you're a Democrat, Republican, or an Independent,

00:06:33.100 if you have to stand in line for hours to get through TSA, people lose their mind.

00:06:37.740 And if you have to put yourself in a position where you are somehow defending that absurdity,

00:06:44.480 it's not a good spot to be in.

00:06:46.200 And again, I just come back to, we said this exactly was what was going to happen.

00:06:50.480 They would get through the elections on Tuesday.

00:06:53.300 They would look around, and they would say,

00:06:55.720 hey, we don't really have the ability to keep this up forever.

00:06:59.720 Republicans called their bluff, said we're not going to change anything.

00:07:03.540 And as a result, these Democrats, these eight, just came back meekly and said,

00:07:09.320 okay, we're going to do it.

00:07:10.320 Here's what they did, Buck.

00:07:12.060 They gave Chuck Schumer an opportunity to look tough so that he can stand up to AOC, right, 0.99

00:07:18.600 which I think is a huge part of what he's trying to do.

00:07:21.580 And then ultimately, even though he's not involved in reopening the government,

00:07:26.520 he voted against it.

00:07:27.840 His number two, Dick Durbin from Illinois, was in favor of it,

00:07:31.660 which kind of gives you a nod that Chuck Schumer is telling his constituents behind the scenes,

00:07:36.980 hey, let's go ahead and do this.

00:07:39.080 And the whole thing is just, it's a debacle.

00:07:42.680 Let's be honest.

00:07:43.560 There is no actual benefit that the Democrat Party has gained in any way.

00:07:49.980 Well, they threw a tantrum.

00:07:52.420 Yes.

00:07:52.600 I think that they've set the groundwork for the emotional manipulation that is going to be the foundation of their midterm pitch, right?

00:08:02.060 What are they going to say so that they can take control of the House?

00:08:05.480 And then all it's going to be is do everything you can to stop Trump from doing anything for the last two years of his presidency, right?

00:08:10.920 Do everything you can to impeach him.

00:08:14.580 I mean, just be as difficult as possible, grind the gears of government to a halt to the degree they can do that.

00:08:21.400 They're really heavily leaning into the class warfare stuff.

00:08:27.280 It's feeling very 2009 all over again here.

00:08:31.500 Mom, Donnie took the mask off, Buck.

00:08:33.420 In his speech, even the Washington Post editorial board, I was reading it, said,

00:08:38.060 Oh, he's a nice, he's a gentle, you know, socialist.

00:08:42.720 As soon as he won, he was like, we're coming for you.

00:08:45.540 We're going to tax you.

00:08:47.060 There are going to be consequences.

00:08:48.800 We've got a mandate.

00:08:49.680 We've got over 50%.

00:08:50.800 Get ready.

00:08:52.460 Yeah.

00:08:53.200 And that's, people say, well, what happens to the identity politics of the Democrat coalition?

00:08:58.540 Well, they shift focus a little bit now.

00:09:00.420 They go from race communism to old school communism.

00:09:02.920 That's essentially the playbook, I think.

00:09:05.240 And that's why the health care issue plays so heavily into this and why Bernie Sanders, of course, Bernie Sanders is one of the big voices you'll hear out there who's upset, as he always is, about the millionaires and the billionaires and all this stuff.

00:09:22.200 Period.

00:09:22.560 This is a video that he released on social media.

00:09:25.200 This is cut to where he is slamming.

00:09:28.820 What is he slamming?

00:09:29.660 You'll hear it.

00:09:30.080 Play it.

00:09:30.420 Tonight, eight Democrats voted with the Republicans to allow them to go forward on this continuing resolution.

00:09:38.060 And to my mind, this was a very, very bad vote.

00:09:43.580 Just on Tuesday, we had an election all over this country.

00:09:47.160 And what the election showed is that the American people want us to stand up to Trumpism, to his war against working class people, to his authoritarianism.

00:09:57.680 That is what the American people wanted.

00:09:59.860 But tonight, that is not what happened.

00:10:03.680 Clay, what is the war against working class people?

00:10:07.220 What is that?

00:10:08.440 What does that even mean?

00:10:10.100 These are this is what I mean by emotional manipulation.

00:10:12.380 This is buzzwords to get people to play into, oh, my bills are, you know, high.

00:10:18.780 Oh, I have frustration in life.

00:10:20.400 It's someone else's fault.

00:10:22.060 If it is someone else's fault, fine.

00:10:23.700 But let's at least know who and why and then fix that instead of just playing on the rage of the masses, which is what Bernie's trying to do.

00:10:32.160 Buck, think about the arguments that they simultaneously were making.

00:10:35.900 They said, hey, everybody's going to go hungry and too many people are going to starve to death.

00:10:42.260 Basically, that's what they were trying to say with the snap related issues.

00:10:45.920 And as soon as the government opens back up, what are they saying?

00:10:49.460 How dare we not stand up to Trump?

00:10:51.560 Wait a minute.

00:10:52.040 What is the consequence of a government shutdown?

00:10:54.800 Is it that tons of people are not going to have enough food to eat, in which case the government should reopen immediately?

00:11:00.040 Or is it that you're just trying to extract pain against Trump and throw a temper tantrum?

00:11:06.340 Well, as soon as the government gets opened back up, everybody who wants those snap benefits is going to get them.

00:11:12.700 By the way, side note, Buck, have you seen a lot of the people being interviewed talking about their necessity of needing snap?

00:11:20.300 Does it look like most of those people are a meal away from starvation?

00:11:23.960 Because to me, it doesn't.

00:11:25.060 And in fact, I think there's a stat out there that the people that are on snap benefits, as you pointed out, they're not making the most healthy decisions when it comes to the food that they're choosing to buy.

00:11:35.440 And it used to be that we would hear all the time about, oh, you know, there's a food desert or there's an inability for people out there to be able to make healthy decisions.

00:11:44.320 But as you pointed out, they did a study where they gave people subsidized healthy foods and the overall purchases of food did not change at all.

00:11:53.860 In fact, people continue to make unhealthy dietary decisions.

00:11:57.260 But this idea that calorically somehow there's a huge percentage of Americans that are struggling and not getting enough to eat.

00:12:04.980 Most of the people that are on snap benefits that I've seen interviewed talking about how desperately they need snap benefits actually look like they could go a couple of weeks without eating anything and might be in the healthier position.

00:12:17.380 Look, I think, first of all, you know, if you the CDC even estimates that the cost we're talking about health care costs, extreme obesity costs, the American health care system, 200 billion dollars a year.

00:12:31.340 Extreme obesity, 200.

00:12:33.440 I'm not.

00:12:33.720 By the way, don't say, oh, you know, you've been 20 pounds, 40 pounds overweight.

00:12:38.160 No, no.

00:12:38.440 I'm talking about like like somebody who is morbidly obese.

00:12:41.800 That's the term you use for 200 billion dollars a year is what that costs.

00:12:45.700 But the other part of this and, you know, you've been tweeting about it.

00:12:48.680 I've been tweeting about it.

00:12:50.680 We need to actually look at what's going on with health care in this country because Obamacare, they want to move away from this now. 0.85

00:12:57.500 Obamacare is a massive by its own standards.

00:13:00.800 It has increased, quote, coverage at the expense of cost, quality, care.

00:13:12.060 Everything has gotten worse.

00:13:13.440 You have a little thing now that says you have Obamacare or whatever.

00:13:16.920 You have a plan that's on an exchange or you're part of the Medicaid expansion.

00:13:20.340 But you didn't increase doctors.

00:13:23.340 You didn't increase efficiency in the system.

00:13:25.320 You've made costs for those who actually pay for their health care premiums more than double.

00:13:30.340 A lot of cases, triple.

00:13:32.440 And the Democrats answer to this is to shovel tens of billions of subsidies in the city.

00:13:38.920 They're just hiding, Clay.

00:13:40.120 They're just hiding the actual costs.

00:13:43.160 Well, when you subsidize something that is bad, the thing that you subsidize gets worse.

00:13:48.420 And we subsidized health care.

00:13:51.780 All Obamacare really is is a huge giveaway to insurance companies.

00:13:56.320 And do you know who the most hated groups of companies in America are?

00:14:01.120 Health care insurance companies.

00:14:03.040 Because no one has any idea what things cost because you can't figure out why you have to pay X one week and the next week it goes to Y.

00:14:12.760 Because there is no cost analysis associated with this at all.

00:14:17.500 So Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, Buck.

00:14:20.520 It is a failure of epic magnitude.

00:14:22.960 And it failed in exactly the ways that people like me who were opposed to it at the time said it would.

00:14:27.180 I'm not saying I'm the only one.

00:14:28.580 All Republicans who are paying attention knew this, Clay.

00:14:31.520 But it is an absolute mess.

00:14:34.420 It is a disaster.

00:14:35.600 And I think that we all need to start to grapple with the realities of the health care system.

00:14:40.460 Really what it is is they just plan to make the whole thing collapse into a single payer.

00:14:46.640 They're just going to make everything Medicare. 1.00

00:14:48.280 They're going to try to do the Canada model here, which is going to be a nightmare, everybody.

00:14:51.580 It's just going to make it all worse.

00:14:52.840 When we come back, I want to hear what MSNBC viewing was like this morning.

00:14:57.760 Oh, yeah.

00:14:58.180 Because I saw you with the six box.

00:15:00.180 You know, things have gotten serious when you have six people who simultaneously need to be talking about how awful things are.

00:15:05.860 And I've also seen some of the Blue Sky reactions.

00:15:09.220 Blue Sky is the far left-wing version of Twitter.

00:15:12.580 And they're having complete meltdowns there over the Democrats bending the knee to King Trump.

00:15:18.220 We'll talk about that.

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00:15:24.720 But we lost.

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00:15:32.680 We've had four wins, which, to be fair, is more than I thought we would have over the course of the entire season because we're actually playing a try-to-win multiples, right?

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00:17:38.340 So the shutdown is about to end.

00:17:43.520 And I was curious how they were going to spin this.

00:17:47.100 So this morning, it was a lovely morning.

00:17:49.080 I was sitting there.

00:17:49.600 I was drinking some Crockett coffee, which is available for all of you at CrockettCoffee.com.

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00:17:56.780 It's a conversation starter, and it looks cool.

00:17:59.380 Do you know who the Overmountain men were?

00:18:00.860 Now you do.

00:18:01.760 History.

00:18:02.380 America.

00:18:03.000 Celebrate it.

00:18:04.280 It's also that time of year where getting cool new gifts for yourself or for others is a great idea.

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00:18:11.740 Go check it out.

00:18:12.780 But I was sitting there, and I had ginger on one side, speed on the other.

00:18:17.800 And I'm like, all right, I'm prepared.

00:18:20.420 I'm prepared to subject myself to the madness of Morning Joe.

00:18:26.440 This is not subject.

00:18:27.340 You are the number one fan of Morning Joe.

00:18:29.820 Don't downplay it here.

00:18:31.120 You are their base.

00:18:32.600 Clay, just because I am so dedicated for this team that I'm willing to suffer through this.

00:18:37.200 Let's not pretend like I just want to see what kind of zip sweater Joe is wearing so I can mirror image it myself sometime,

00:18:45.660 or I can watch Mika get all hissy up there. 1.00

00:18:50.040 I don't know that the marriage is going that well, Buck.

00:18:52.360 I just do a little bit of viewing.

00:18:54.820 They don't seem very happy.

00:18:55.840 I had a female co-host on TV at one point, and I got to tell you, marriage is tough enough.

00:19:02.520 I can't imagine being married and then showing up and being co-hosts on a TV show together as well.

00:19:07.340 That would be – it's a lot.

00:19:08.940 That's a lot of stuff.

00:19:10.120 That's why I try not to text Clay over the weekend because it's like 15 hours during the week of talking to each other, not enough.

00:19:15.720 I got to be like, hey, buddy, what's going on?

00:19:18.060 What are you up to?

00:19:19.020 We try to give each other a little space on the weekends as Clay is now catching his breath on the treadmill.

00:19:25.300 So we have – no, he's good.

00:19:27.480 He's money.

00:19:28.000 He's so money.

00:19:28.520 I'm going to be in such elite shape.

00:19:30.500 People are not going to recognize me now with this treadmill setup.

00:19:34.780 So Morning Joe, they had to come up with some kind of a position on it,

00:19:39.900 and I just want you to get a sense.

00:19:41.340 You already know where this is going.

00:19:42.600 Somehow the Democrats shut down the government, caused all this pain, didn't get the concession that they were demanding,

00:19:49.940 didn't get the – rather the hostage-taking did not result in what they actually wanted.

00:19:57.380 And the real takeaway here is that the American people, according to Morning Joe, are blaming Republicans.

00:20:04.320 Play four.

00:20:04.680 This is not like a Republican position or a Democratic position when it comes to the voters,

00:20:10.660 and certainly not an independent fight.

00:20:13.140 This is not partisan.

00:20:16.100 There are Americans in red state America who desperately need this help.

00:20:22.040 There are Americans in blue state America that need this help too.

00:20:26.840 But I guarantee you from Dalton, Georgia, to Bucks County, Pennsylvania,

00:20:32.560 to every place in America, rural place in America also,

00:20:37.920 listen, the Republicans are not on their side, and not in this debate.

00:20:45.960 It sounds a little bit like a guy who's practicing his stump speech, part one.

00:20:49.460 Part two, part two, this is Republicans' fault?

00:20:54.240 They're just doing the thing that we said they would do all along,

00:20:57.720 which is they've lit the fire, okay?

00:20:59.880 The house is now burning.

00:21:01.840 The fire department's coming, and they're walking around telling the neighbors,

00:21:04.340 can you believe these guys lit this fire, Clay?

00:21:07.300 It's crazy what's going on here.

00:21:09.000 I also think it's kind of amazing how quickly we went from,

00:21:13.840 boy, Republicans are really going to have to have a civil war now,

00:21:17.540 to Democrats are at each other's throats almost overnight.

00:21:22.160 And I just wonder, in a larger context,

00:21:25.460 you and I asked this question from the get-go.

00:21:27.960 You can't enter into a decision like the Democrats did here with no exit ramp.

00:21:35.000 We talked about this for 40 days.

00:21:37.680 We said there is no exit ramp here.

00:21:40.220 There is no goal that they are somehow in some form or fashion going to get.

00:21:46.540 And so, again, no King's protest on, what was it, October 18th?

00:21:51.420 That Saturday, beautiful day all over the country

00:21:54.160 that Democrats gave up to rally against President Trump.

00:21:58.380 And then you had the election,

00:22:00.260 and I do think it probably juiced turnout in northern Virginia

00:22:04.560 and helped them get a little bit more political power in that state

00:22:09.660 than they otherwise would have.

00:22:11.620 But then everybody who is in any way moderate

00:22:14.480 on the Democrat side of the aisle just says,

00:22:17.800 hey, we've got to sue for peace.

00:22:19.320 And, Buck, I think the ultimate, yes, it was no King's.

00:22:22.300 Yes, it was also the election having taken place.

00:22:25.960 We told you that it would get solved right after that.

00:22:28.760 I think what they didn't calculate was,

00:22:32.060 I guarantee you they're getting blown up

00:22:34.520 about all of the issues at airports.

00:22:37.860 Because it's one thing to hear,

00:22:40.280 hey, the government's shut down and it's having this impact.

00:22:42.960 I'm talking about if you're not air traffic control,

00:22:45.800 if you're not military, if you're not a federal employee.

00:22:48.560 But as soon as I show up at the airport

00:22:51.300 and I have to stand in line for hours to get through TSA,

00:22:55.660 or even worse than that, you get to the airport,

00:22:58.920 you stand in line for hours at TSA,

00:23:01.460 and then your flight gets canceled,

00:23:03.920 Democrat, Republican, or Independent, people are mad.

00:23:08.000 And you don't want to be on the receiving end of people being mad,

00:23:11.980 especially when there isn't really a basis

00:23:15.260 for any kind of tangible result that they're going to get.

00:23:19.580 And that was why I actually thought about you this morning

00:23:22.040 when I woke up.

00:23:22.740 I was like, I don't want to put on MSNBC.

00:23:24.960 I got to get the kids to school.

00:23:26.720 I got to make sure that things are going okay here.

00:23:29.360 But a part of me was a little bit jealous

00:23:30.920 that you got to sit and watch the chaos unspool on MSNBC.

00:23:35.260 Because I did put it on for just a few minutes last night

00:23:37.840 just to see all of the people on the panel saying,

00:23:41.880 wait a minute, they got us all worked up.

00:23:44.760 They told us that they were standing up to Trump.

00:23:47.180 And then the result is after 40 days,

00:23:50.720 they say, well, we made the conversation shift.

00:23:54.000 Oh, we made this.

00:23:55.500 They just failed. 0.95

00:23:56.900 And it just makes them look utterly incompetent.

00:24:00.020 And a part of me wonders if they're going to demand 0.91

00:24:03.500 Chuck Schumer's head on a platter over this, Buck.

00:24:05.900 Oh, guess what?

00:24:08.060 Sonny Hostin, chief bitterness analyst over at The View.

00:24:14.040 She's the queen of bitter. 1.00

00:24:16.460 Just always unhappy about something.

00:24:19.540 Can you imagine being married to Sonny Hostin, Buck? 1.00

00:24:22.900 Can you imagine that poor bastard husband, 1.00

00:24:25.160 like how awful his life must be? 1.00

00:24:27.200 I bet he works 180 hours a week

00:24:30.300 just to avoid having to spend time with her.

00:24:33.520 She just seems like an energy vampire of epic magnitude,

00:24:37.740 even in the context of The View.

00:24:40.280 I don't think I'd be fun to be married to Whoopi or Joy Behar,

00:24:43.360 but they don't seem like they're awful humans. 0.87

00:24:46.720 Sonny Hostin seems to me to be an awful human.

00:24:49.920 She's definitely, really you should call her Sonny Hostel.

00:24:55.320 Oh?

00:24:55.520 Because she's very hostile.

00:24:57.300 Yes, very hostile.

00:24:57.760 You know what I mean?

00:24:58.160 She's very, very unhospitable and hostile.

00:25:01.760 Here she is.

00:25:03.180 She's hostile toward Chuck Schumer, it turns out.

00:25:05.420 Play 20.

00:25:06.080 Now they just caved and surrendered.

00:25:08.020 I think Chuck Schumer, his days are over.

00:25:11.040 If he cannot put that, if he cannot keep his caucus together,

00:25:15.120 if he cannot keep his caucus together, he needs to go.

00:25:17.780 Well, Clay, what this really is, is, you know,

00:25:23.680 remember the two minutes hate with Emanuel Goldstein, 1984,

00:25:29.420 where everyone just shouts,

00:25:30.480 ah, you know, Emanuel Goldstein, ah, he's so bad.

00:25:33.560 And no one even knows who this guy is or what's going on or whatever,

00:25:36.780 but it's just meant to get everybody.

00:25:38.520 This is the left just venting their spleen, their rage, their anger at Trumpism.

00:25:45.640 And this was all in advance of the election, going to election day,

00:25:50.040 to make them think Democrats are fighting.

00:25:53.380 It was all kabuki theater.

00:25:55.700 It's all a pantomime.

00:25:58.440 I also think, Buck, this could be one of the lasting impacts of it.

00:26:04.080 They have created a world, if you go look at issues,

00:26:07.500 where people think, oh, Democrats,

00:26:09.800 they care about health care more than Republicans.

00:26:12.140 Now, I'm not saying that everybody out there listening right now believes this,

00:26:16.140 but they have created the idea,

00:26:17.940 oh, we care way more about health care than the opposing party.

00:26:21.400 I actually think the failure of Obamacare

00:26:25.100 is going to open a larger conversation about health care,

00:26:29.380 where we sit back and we say, wait a minute.

00:26:32.080 Structurally, all we did with Obamacare

00:26:35.160 was give huge subsidies to health insurance companies

00:26:39.240 that huge majorities of Americans don't like.

00:26:43.440 Instead of, I saw Trump put up a truth post about this,

00:26:46.860 instead of putting more money in people's pockets

00:26:49.440 and letting them make rational decisions

00:26:52.500 about what health care they need or want

00:26:55.060 that is the best result for their family,

00:26:57.720 for all of you out there,

00:26:59.640 they said, hey, let's just give way more money 0.57

00:27:02.080 to health insurance companies

00:27:04.040 and let's mandate that everybody has to buy health insurance.

00:27:08.540 It's a really bad idea

00:27:10.460 that I don't think Republicans have really elucidated well.

00:27:15.680 You have the least popular for-profit businesses in America,

00:27:20.700 health care companies,

00:27:22.140 and the Democrats' solution that people feel like cheat them,

00:27:25.740 that people feel like don't give them adequate coverage,

00:27:28.700 that don't give them adequate customer service.

00:27:30.980 Can you even get your health care provider insurance company

00:27:34.920 on the phone?

00:27:36.340 And when you do,

00:27:37.400 how many times do they actually help you

00:27:39.660 or even be able to explain

00:27:41.480 why you're being charged what you are?

00:27:43.280 I mean, I hate health insurance companies.

00:27:45.920 Most of you do too.

00:27:47.280 In fact, you might even argue with your spouse

00:27:50.440 over who has to call the health insurance company

00:27:53.520 when you have a billing dispute

00:27:54.920 because it's such a miserable experience.

00:27:58.500 And so the Democrats' solution to health care

00:28:02.240 was to give the least popular industry in America

00:28:05.940 a handout of hundreds of billions of dollars

00:28:09.860 to make them more money?

00:28:11.460 I'm sorry, that's a really bad position

00:28:13.920 for them to try to defend.

00:28:15.920 Well, you know, this is where you get into

00:28:18.320 the ways that this market is...

00:28:20.940 It's not a market really at all.

00:28:22.500 Correct.

00:28:23.000 It's manipulated so much

00:28:23.960 that it's just central planning

00:28:26.340 held together with some elements of the market

00:28:30.780 in some places.

00:28:32.400 But Clay, this is when people find out

00:28:35.220 that if you have insurance,

00:28:37.900 the price could be, you know, $600

00:28:41.180 for whatever it is that you're doing.

00:28:43.980 If you don't have insurance,

00:28:46.120 the price can be $300.

00:28:49.240 Way cheaper.

00:28:49.680 But if they find out you have insurance,

00:28:53.200 you're not allowed to pay the $300

00:28:55.240 no insurance price.

00:28:56.860 Correct.

00:28:57.220 This is all about taking money from some people

00:29:01.160 to pay for other people

00:29:02.360 who don't want to pay for the stuff

00:29:03.800 that they're getting.

00:29:04.680 That is the whole thing.

00:29:06.340 And by the way, this is all...

00:29:07.680 It's not insurance.

00:29:09.520 It's not even insurance.

00:29:11.480 You should not be paying for...

00:29:14.680 Rather, when you go into the doctor

00:29:16.240 for your checkup and for these things,

00:29:18.500 you shouldn't be filing a claim.

00:29:21.240 You know, this is when people think about

00:29:22.620 with their car.

00:29:23.680 When do you call your car insurer

00:29:25.560 if somebody T-bones you at an intersection

00:29:28.280 and you've got real damage, right?

00:29:30.360 Or, you know, there's something

00:29:31.080 that serious happened to your car.

00:29:32.740 You don't call them if, you know,

00:29:34.700 an acorn scratches the rim.

00:29:36.800 You don't call them for gas.

00:29:38.620 But our whole healthcare system

00:29:39.980 is just that now.

00:29:41.820 You know, everywhere you go,

00:29:43.140 I can't even get Sinclay.

00:29:44.300 I could go in somewhere, you know,

00:29:45.980 oh, I think I have a sinus infection.

00:29:48.000 I have to fill out 15 minutes of paperwork

00:29:49.680 about all my insurance.

00:29:50.480 By the way, even though it's all online now, 1.00

00:29:51.920 you still have to fill out the stupid paperwork 1.00

00:29:53.400 over and over and over again. 1.00

00:29:54.780 What's your insurance?

00:29:55.640 Do you have a secondary insurer?

00:29:56.940 Who's your spouse? 1.00

00:29:58.600 It's all garbage. 1.00

00:29:59.640 It's infuriating. 1.00

00:30:00.900 It's infuriating.

00:30:02.060 And that's why I think Republicans

00:30:03.500 have an opportunity here

00:30:04.900 because all Democrats have done

00:30:07.300 is subsidize the most hated industry in America

00:30:11.720 and give them more money

00:30:13.320 to an already broken system.

00:30:15.480 And I think that conversation

00:30:17.480 is actually going to become more paramount here

00:30:20.160 because this is a major, major issue.

00:30:24.480 And look, Democrats are going to try

00:30:26.440 to make it an issue in 2026.

00:30:29.140 I think trying to defend health insurance companies

00:30:31.760 as doing a good job

00:30:33.260 and deserving more of our money

00:30:34.920 is not something that most Americans

00:30:36.980 are going to nod along with.

00:30:38.440 And I just come back to time after time after time.

00:30:41.640 The reason healthcare is broken in this country

00:30:44.180 is because nobody has any idea

00:30:46.520 that builds on just what you were saying, Buck,

00:30:48.480 what anything is going to cost.

00:30:51.040 Oh, hold on.

00:30:51.700 You're not allowed to know.

00:30:53.300 It's actually worse than that.

00:30:54.620 You're not allowed to know what anything costs.

00:30:56.360 It's not like you're just walking around,

00:30:58.120 you know, like, oh, just, you know,

00:30:59.200 who cares about whatever.

00:31:00.280 I could go into the back office of a hospital

00:31:05.000 and say, hey, guys,

00:31:06.260 what is the actual cost of this?

00:31:08.500 They'll say, we'll get back to you in three months

00:31:10.160 with a big bill, by the way.

00:31:12.080 I talked about this when my wife was having,

00:31:14.900 with our babies, right?

00:31:15.940 It's one of the few healthcare things

00:31:17.500 where you can actually go around

00:31:19.340 and ask what something costs.

00:31:21.560 I said, how much is it going to cost

00:31:23.100 to have a baby here?

00:31:24.640 I'd like to compare that cost with somewhere else.

00:31:27.480 They said, well, we don't know.

00:31:29.000 How can you give me an opportunity

00:31:30.920 to tour maternity wards

00:31:33.080 and the only thing you're not competing on,

00:31:36.220 you're competing on Wi-Fi,

00:31:38.000 bamboo flooring, waiting rooms.

00:31:40.200 You can't tell me what the cost is.

00:31:42.480 It drove me insane.

00:31:45.000 Everybody out here in Miami Beach,

00:31:46.680 in this area at least,

00:31:48.840 it's all turning into concierge medicine.

00:31:51.340 Yeah.

00:31:51.680 People are just,

00:31:52.320 doctors are just opting out of this system

00:31:54.040 and it's not because they're being greedy.

00:31:56.140 They just want to be able to practice medicine

00:31:57.660 without being paperwork,

00:31:59.780 you know, addled bureaucrats all day long.

00:32:02.560 And so people are just paying.

00:32:03.760 This is what's going to increasingly happen.

00:32:05.880 You can have all these Democrats saying,

00:32:07.260 I love Obamacare.

00:32:08.800 They're not on Obamacare plans.

00:32:10.040 Correct.

00:32:10.680 They're on gold-plated amazing plans.

00:32:12.220 They see any doctor they want.

00:32:13.300 They don't pay anything.

00:32:14.120 I mean, friends,

00:32:16.200 if you want to see what their version of health care

00:32:18.360 looks like for all of us,

00:32:19.220 go see how it all is working out in the Soviet Union.

00:32:20.980 Yeah, sure.

00:32:21.360 It was all free, but...

00:32:22.320 Well, you know the government employees

00:32:23.660 who never gave up a paycheck.

00:32:26.680 Yeah.

00:32:27.300 Everybody in Congress.

00:32:28.480 They kept getting paid.

00:32:29.940 We'll take your calls on this,

00:32:31.460 my friends, here in a moment.

00:32:33.000 We're making progress

00:32:34.260 with the Trump administration

00:32:36.180 with some of the spending cutbacks,

00:32:37.420 but the debt is still huge,

00:32:38.560 $37 trillion and counting.

00:32:40.140 Inflation is still a problem.

00:32:42.120 Cost of living is high.

00:32:43.040 I want to help you save some money.

00:32:45.640 Why not?

00:32:46.640 Why throw more of your money away every month?

00:32:48.440 There's no reason.

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00:32:51.020 Pure Talk can cut your wireless bill big time.

00:32:54.500 It can cut it in half, in fact,

00:32:56.420 when you switch to Pure Talk.

00:32:57.840 They don't have bloated programs or incentives.

00:33:00.300 They're very straightforward,

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00:33:03.300 and the best customer service.

00:33:05.220 Switching your Pure Talk

00:33:06.000 is a common sense thing to do.

00:33:07.660 Dial pound 250, say Clay and Buck.

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00:33:13.660 Pure Talk's U.S. customer service team

00:33:15.220 will get you switched.

00:33:16.040 Dial pound 250, say Clay and Buck.

00:33:18.380 Biggest news is that we finally are going to have

00:33:30.820 an end to the incredibly unsuccessful government shutdown

00:33:34.600 that has been going on for 40 days.

00:33:37.160 It appears that it will be over officially on Thursday.

00:33:41.500 The shutdown already underway.

00:33:44.000 As eight different Democrat senators

00:33:46.640 have joined all of the Republican senators,

00:33:49.420 we had to get to 60 in order for that to happen.

00:33:53.840 Now, unfortunately, the air travel disruption situation,

00:33:57.840 I'm looking at it right now on Fox News, Buck,

00:34:00.700 there are 3,000 nearly flights that have been canceled today.

00:34:05.140 Over 11,000 delays.

00:34:10.340 So if you are trying to travel right now,

00:34:13.160 this is, frankly, a complete mess all over the country

00:34:18.240 as I think a big part of why we finally got this resolution

00:34:22.440 was because Democrats have recognized,

00:34:26.020 one, they're not going to get anything accomplished,

00:34:28.320 and two, we are now past the No Kings Day

00:34:31.600 and election in Virginia.

00:34:33.220 But a third part of this is a lot of people were

00:34:38.060 and have become super frustrated overall

00:34:41.700 with everything going on relating to air traffic delays.

00:34:46.900 And so that is where we are, positive news.

00:34:51.420 In fact, I believe we have audio from Senator Angus King

00:34:55.220 who went on MSNBC and said,

00:34:58.520 hey, yeah, by the way, it turns out that the decision

00:35:02.520 to not open the government, to shut down,

00:35:07.000 made everything more, more powerful as it pertains to all things.

00:35:12.840 Trump, can we play that cut from earlier today on MSNBC, please?

00:35:19.280 You have to go back to what the strategy was at the beginning of the shutdown.

00:35:22.520 There were two goals, both of which I support.

00:35:24.700 One was standing up to Donald Trump.

00:35:26.660 The other was getting some resolution on the ACA premium tax credit issue.

00:35:31.960 The problem was the shutdown wasn't accomplishing either goals,

00:35:35.580 and there was practically, well, there was zero likelihood that it was going to.

00:35:39.120 In terms of standing up to Donald Trump,

00:35:41.440 the shutdown actually gave him more power,

00:35:43.340 Exhibit A being what he's done with SNAP and SNAP benefits across the country.

00:35:48.900 Oh, by the way, Joe, you're going to love this.

00:35:50.900 Guess who's getting paid during the shutdown?

00:35:53.580 Not the park rangers or air traffic controllers,

00:35:57.720 the ICE agents.

00:35:59.800 Under special law, under that big, awful bill that they passed last summer,

00:36:04.240 the ICE agents are being paid.

00:36:06.080 Nobody else is.

00:36:07.680 So standing up to Donald Trump didn't work.

00:36:10.640 It actually gave him more power.

00:36:13.340 Yeah, so Angus King going on with MSNBC and saying,

00:36:19.760 hey, we've actually ended up in a situation where President Trump has more power than he would otherwise.

00:36:26.000 Also, by the way, Trump is continuing.

00:36:28.620 He is meeting with the new president of Syria.

00:36:32.080 Underrated aspect of foreign diplomacy that has not gotten a ton of attention

00:36:37.380 was normalizing relations with Syria helped to create more Mideast peace

00:36:43.600 because everybody was lining up against Iran and giving a nod towards the new government in Syria

00:36:50.540 helped with the relationships with other Middle Eastern countries

00:36:55.140 as it pertains to all of that.

00:36:58.060 Stock market, not surprisingly, Buck, up substantially as the government shutdown comes down.

00:37:04.060 And now the big battle has become Democrats, Senators, everybody is pointing the finger at Chuck Schumer.

00:37:10.620 So question for you.

00:37:12.800 Where does Chuck Schumer go from here?

00:37:14.980 And let me give you the scenarios.

00:37:16.240 He's got AOC really after him on the left flank,

00:37:21.500 and that was, I think, a huge part of the motivation for why he decided to allow this shutdown to take place as well.

00:37:29.140 Now eight Senators on the right are coming forward and saying, 0.84

00:37:32.760 this is ridiculous. 0.86

00:37:33.620 We're not getting anything. 0.86

00:37:34.720 We have to go back and open the government back up.

00:37:39.400 We're getting too much blowback.

00:37:40.560 We're not getting anything.

00:37:41.320 I'm saying this is a negative overall for the party.

00:37:43.760 Where does this leave Chuck Schumer?

00:37:45.600 Because we played a lot of the pressure.

00:37:47.880 Is he done?

00:37:48.740 Like, how does his career end at this point?

00:37:52.000 Chuck Schumer's chief comms guy.

00:37:53.840 Okay, here we go.

00:37:55.320 This doesn't look good for Chuck right now.

00:37:57.200 Here's what's going to happen, though.

00:37:58.940 He's going to go into this next year gearing up for the midterms,

00:38:04.680 doing a lot of fundraising, a lot of pressing of the palms.

00:38:07.880 What he's going to say is, guys, I fought, I fought, you got to, you know,

00:38:12.360 you can't have these upstarts like AOC.

00:38:15.340 They don't know the game.

00:38:16.920 So important that we take control of at least the House in this midterm election.

00:38:22.820 And I, you know, and I'm going to fight in the Senate and I'm Chuck Schumer.

00:38:26.440 He's created the narrative to allow him to go to the, you know, $10,000 or plate dinners

00:38:32.240 or whatever it is in order to present himself as the resistance against Trump.

00:38:37.480 People will forget, and this may sound cynical, but I think it's quite obviously true. 0.72

00:38:41.940 People will forget that this was much ado about nothing.

00:38:45.500 And he will turn it into, oh, I stood and fought and we got some concessions out of Trump

00:38:51.300 when we were in the minority.

00:38:52.500 Just wait till we actually have a majority in Congress.

00:38:56.860 Give me money, Chuck Schumer.

00:38:58.980 That's the whole thing.

00:39:00.040 That's going to be the pitch, I think.

00:39:01.420 So he's going to create a narrative out of this that ignores the truth of what really happened here.

00:39:07.480 The best asset that he has.

00:39:09.660 Should he hire me, by the way?

00:39:10.780 I feel like that's pretty good for a Chuck Schumer spokesman.

00:39:13.200 Oh, look at this.

00:39:14.660 Not so much.

00:39:15.340 I don't know.

00:39:16.180 I don't know that.

00:39:17.000 I think the best asset that Schumer has is that AOC doesn't actually want to be a senator.

00:39:22.120 That's my, she wants to be president. 1.00

00:39:24.400 I don't think she sees that much difference in being a House of Representatives member or a senator.

00:39:30.480 There is, but I think her aspirations are higher.

00:39:33.420 The Senate's an excellent stepping stone, especially for Democrats.

00:39:37.180 That's how they always see it.

00:39:38.240 Remember, Democrats like to have senators run. 1.00

00:39:40.260 We like to have governors run.

00:39:41.900 Okay, so question then in that context.

00:39:45.280 And I don't know that anybody's even talked about this.

00:39:49.040 Momdani, we know he could be governor one day.

00:39:51.660 He could be senator one day.

00:39:53.120 That's the apex of his power.

00:39:54.480 Or you can argue New York City mayor is a higher level of office than senator or governor would be.

00:40:00.500 Is there a world where Momdani decides to challenge Chuck Schumer?

00:40:05.360 If AOC is running for president and we know that Momdani can't run for president because he was born in Uganda, 1.00

00:40:11.900 I'm just trying to play it out for Schumer.

00:40:14.300 A lot of these results, Buck, to me, end with Schumer not running for re-election next year.

00:40:20.500 The problem with that is what else does Chuck Schumer have going on such that he would give up power at 75 or 76 years old,

00:40:27.540 which is young compared to Nancy Pelosi who went all the way up to 85. 1.00

00:40:32.740 And again, that's depending on who has control because if you're in the minority,

00:40:37.440 that's not necessarily very enjoyable, I'm told, from people who work day-to-day in the Senate.

00:40:43.080 When is Schumer up?

00:40:47.220 When is his term off?

00:40:48.060 Next year.

00:40:48.800 Right.

00:40:49.280 Next year.

00:40:49.820 So he's up.

00:40:50.660 So, I mean, by January or February of next year, right, meaning like four months from now,

00:40:57.640 we'll start to find out whether anybody is actually going to primary him or not.

00:41:02.100 I'm not sure what the filing deadline is in New York, but he's terrified AOC is going to primary him.

00:41:08.380 My thought is AOC doesn't actually want to be senator,

00:41:11.380 although maybe to your point she thinks, hey, I can be senator.

00:41:14.320 No, Chuck Schumer's not up for re-election next year.

00:41:16.460 I thought he was up in 26.

00:41:18.440 No.

00:41:18.900 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:41:19.720 Oh, okay.

00:41:20.160 He's up in 28.

00:41:21.420 Yeah, he's up in 28.

00:41:24.480 So that's, but this is, all right, now maybe you do want to hire me as Schumer spokesman.

00:41:29.720 Clay, he just goes into the fundraising cycle for next year.

00:41:33.060 No one's even going to, by the time he's up, no one's even going to remember this challenge from his left flank.

00:41:37.760 I always thought that was a little overblown as an explanation for this.

00:41:41.760 I think that they realized the real problem is that with Obama, they got to shore up.

00:41:47.040 The boat is taking on water with Obamacare in a big way,

00:41:50.960 and that causes big problems for them on the health care front in the midterms.

00:41:55.580 Health care was the quiet issue.

00:41:57.780 It wasn't really that quiet, but health care was the issue in 2018 that delivered the Democrats a big win.

00:42:04.660 And overwhelmingly, it was health care that they said was what was, you know, propelling them forward.

00:42:10.780 Well, that's what I said in the last hour.

00:42:14.040 I think the issue they could have going forward is they may well have created real obstacles for themselves

00:42:21.920 on the only issue that really they show up in a positive vein.

00:42:26.820 Now, I know people, the economy is just, it's a negative, frankly, for everybody,

00:42:32.980 because there's just a lot of unhappy people.

00:42:35.520 Border crime, very positive Trump issues.

00:42:38.240 I think the economy by next year is going to be a Trump issue.

00:42:41.160 If Democrats don't have health care, if a lot of people start to have the conversation that we did last hour,

00:42:47.720 where they look around and say, wait a minute,

00:42:49.180 the reason why health care companies have increasingly more and more power is because the Democrats just gave them

00:42:57.400 hundreds of billions of dollars in handouts.

00:43:00.320 I think a lot of people might start to say, wait a minute, Democrats have totally screwed this up,

00:43:04.800 and Obamacare has made everything worse.

00:43:07.820 And I think to your point, the idea with Obamacare, honestly, it feels like it's designed to fail

00:43:14.680 so that they can just, to your point, say, hey, government's got to take over everything,

00:43:19.260 otherwise everybody's going to die, which is basically their pitch.

00:43:22.560 That was always the opposition to Obamacare from the start,

00:43:26.340 was that the way it was constructed was destined to fail,

00:43:28.940 but that failure would lead to a single-payer system, which is Medicare for all,

00:43:34.920 which is what Bernie Sanders is always saying.

00:43:36.800 You want to talk about out-of-control costs and bloat and bureaucracy and weighting.

00:43:40.460 I mean, if the government is writing all the checks for everybody's health care,

00:43:44.680 and you have something like this in the U.K.,

00:43:47.620 where the government also controls the output of health care, right,

00:43:51.560 National Health Service, which means that not only are they paying for it,

00:43:55.800 but they are the deliverers of the product,

00:43:58.560 and the NHS has blown an enormous hole in the U.K. economy for decades.

00:44:02.720 The whole thing's a disaster.

00:44:03.740 I thought this was interesting, though, Clay,

00:44:05.740 that of the eight Senate Democrats who have voted to end the shutdown,

00:44:10.100 none of them are up for re-election next year.

00:44:12.180 So the thing that they all have in common is that they're not facing angry AOC leftists next year

00:44:19.880 because it's a pretty wide—you've got Dick Durbin out of Illinois, super blue.

00:44:24.440 Several of those guys, too, are stepping down, Buck.

00:44:27.060 That's right.

00:44:28.120 They're just waving on their way out.

00:44:30.120 So these are the Democrats that it's safe for them to stop the madness.

00:44:34.060 Cortez Masto, Nevada.

00:44:35.740 Well, you've got a purple state there, but she's not up next year.

00:44:38.440 You know, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Angus King of Maine, Jackie Rosen, Nevada, Gene Shaheen, New Hampshire.

00:44:46.460 None of them are up.

00:44:47.620 I think that's very interesting.

00:44:49.180 The most vulnerable incumbent, in fact, is John Ossoff,

00:44:52.660 who next year Georgians will be deciding, hey, are we going to re-elect this guy?

00:44:56.980 There's a primary battle underway to figure out who the Republican nominee is going to be.

00:45:01.300 He supported this.

00:45:02.220 And Georgia, you talk about a state that is truly up for grabs.

00:45:07.500 All of the elections in Georgia have been very close, notwithstanding the statewide win that Brian Kemp had

00:45:15.420 that was so substantial in 2022.

00:45:18.300 But yeah, in 2026, Ossoff is up next year.

00:45:22.420 He's probably the only sitting incumbent that would be in true peril

00:45:27.620 in terms of potentially getting beaten in a normal election cycle

00:45:32.400 where it doesn't drastically favor one side or the other.

00:45:35.620 And he voted to continue the shutdown.

00:45:38.580 And he's been voting in favor of men and women's sports.

00:45:42.380 And so he's really out of touch with the overall voters of Georgia.

00:45:47.780 Now the question will be, what does the electorate look like in, you know, 11 months there?

00:45:52.600 But it is interesting to me that he bent the knee and stayed committed to the far left wing,

00:45:59.820 even in a very middle-of-the-road state.

00:46:02.740 Clay, you know what they say.

00:46:03.800 There are a lot of quarters of baseball left here.

00:46:06.380 So it's a lot of time, a lot of time between now and that next election.

00:46:11.460 We'll see what ends up happening.

00:46:12.660 See, Clay knows.

00:46:13.280 He didn't even feel the need to correct me there.

00:46:14.660 He knows.

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00:47:57.880 I've got a bunch of things I want to talk to you about.

00:48:01.040 Obviously, the shutdown is coming to an end.

00:48:04.160 Longest shutdown in our history.

00:48:06.460 And the Democrats are trying to say they fought the good fight.

00:48:10.020 Really, they threw a temper tantrum.

00:48:11.660 And they made people anxious, frustrated, and made people suffer just because Democrats like to do those things.

00:48:21.800 They did not actually achieve their main end.

00:48:25.020 But we'll discuss that a bit more coming up.

00:48:27.620 We've also got the very, very important news that Claire reminded me of.

00:48:32.880 That Kim Kardashian, despite trying, did not pass the California bar exam.

00:48:37.720 I believe she's tried a few times at this point, but has not yet passed it.

00:48:42.660 So we're hoping, we're polling for Kim to pass the bar exam. 0.98

00:48:47.160 I think, isn't she worth a billion dollars? 0.96

00:48:48.840 So this really is just like a personal mountain that she is trying to climb.

00:48:54.460 We'll get into this.

00:48:55.560 But yes, she definitely does not need the money that might come from practicing law in any way.

00:49:01.280 So that's not obviously an important story, but it's one of those stories that people are going to be talking about.

00:49:08.660 So I just thought I would let you know.

00:49:09.860 She has failed the bar exam three times already, but she's going to keep going.

00:49:15.680 And you know what, Clay?

00:49:17.280 A wise man once said to me, persistence is the key.

00:49:20.360 Persistence is the key.

00:49:21.180 Very, very important.

00:49:22.260 A lot of people are making fun of her, and I'll just say this.

00:49:24.920 I think we should encourage people to try to do hard things.

00:49:29.560 And it would be very easy, to your point, Buck, when you become a billionaire, to just say,

00:49:35.220 hey, I've got everything I could possibly want.

00:49:37.920 I'm not going to try to push myself any further.

00:49:41.440 And she decided she wanted to try to become a lawyer.

00:49:44.440 And she is attempting to do it.

00:49:46.520 I would point out, who was it that failed the bar a ton of times?

00:49:49.420 JFK Jr., I think, if I remember correctly.

00:49:52.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:53.120 Well, no one thought that JFK Jr. was going to be a rocket scientist,

00:49:56.060 so that's not surprising from what I mean.

00:49:57.800 But, I mean, he went straight to law school.

00:49:59.280 I think they let him into Columbia or Harvard or wherever the heck they did.

00:50:02.180 Completely irrelevant.

00:50:03.080 They let him in because of his last name.

00:50:04.700 Yes.

00:50:04.880 He could be illiterate as a candidate, and they would have let him into Harvard Law School.

00:50:09.220 And he continued to fail.

00:50:10.800 So, anyway, I do think everybody's trying to poke fun at her.

00:50:15.660 But I give her credit for being willing to try to do something super hard

00:50:19.580 when she could just chill and have an easy life.

00:50:21.960 I think it's important to always try to work on yourself

00:50:26.660 and to be willing to embrace the humility that must come with that.

00:50:32.520 So, I'm actually with you.

00:50:34.120 I'm far less – I'm not, you know, oh, my gosh, how could you fill the bar exam?

00:50:40.320 Good for Kim Kardashian for trying, and hopefully at some point she'll pass.

00:50:43.220 On the other side of the gratitude scale –

00:50:47.920 Yes.

00:50:48.060 On the other side of that scale, we have the former First Lady Michelle Obama, 1.00

00:50:53.760 who has a remarkable talent for seeming just perpetually ungrateful and full of grievance,

00:51:05.360 which for somebody who has – who was the First Lady for eight years –

00:51:10.060 I don't even know how many magazine covers –

00:51:13.060 has her pick of which billionaire's $300 million yacht she chooses to vacation with her daughters on. 0.86

00:51:21.600 I don't know if you could find, all in, a more privileged and elitist person on the planet.

00:51:30.280 It would be very hard, right?

00:51:31.620 Because, you know, yeah, there's like – like Elon Musk is worth a ton of money,

00:51:35.420 but Elon Musk is like sleeping on the floor of a Tesla factory, building all this stuff,

00:51:40.120 big cost to his personal life.

00:51:41.720 Some people hate him, obviously, because he allied with Trump.

00:51:44.300 Michelle Obama, everywhere she goes, she is worshipped.

00:51:46.220 Yes.

00:51:46.940 Worshipped by elite society, and yet you – when she talks about things like, for example,

00:51:53.540 how she needed to have a celebrity-style glam team when she was in the White House,

00:52:01.020 this is how she speaks of it.

00:52:02.500 Play eight.

00:52:03.100 I didn't really have that choice as First Lady.

00:52:05.300 Of course.

00:52:05.740 Right?

00:52:06.220 Yeah.

00:52:06.500 Every day, every time I was up, as we called it, you know, I was up for the public.

00:52:12.140 Yes.

00:52:12.640 And the days were long.

00:52:14.420 So, as you mentioned, to save time.

00:52:18.020 Yes.

00:52:18.360 You know, I know having a glam team, a trifecta, it feels like a luxury, but it was a time necessity.

00:52:27.460 There is absolutely no way that I would be able to do my hair and makeup and have clothes

00:52:33.680 ready that fit, you know, because where is the woman that can live off the rack? 1.00

00:52:40.500 I know a lot of women who live off the rack, Clay. 1.00

00:52:44.540 I know a lot, actually.

00:52:48.240 Michelle Obama might be the person who should give the country more gratitude than anyone

00:52:54.300 that has the least gratitude of anyone in public eye that I can see.

00:52:59.100 And every time she speaks, I like her less.

00:53:02.960 And I don't think I'm unique in that.

00:53:05.140 She has been coddled.

00:53:07.040 She's been protected.

00:53:08.660 She has been told that she is incredibly accomplished and a uniquely transcendent figure such that

00:53:16.420 she decided that she needed to start her own podcast.

00:53:19.000 I actually feel sorry for Barack Obama for having to deal with her.

00:53:24.660 And let me explain why that is.

00:53:27.260 I went off.

00:53:28.440 I might have gone off more on this than almost anybody in the country.

00:53:31.760 When she wasn't willing to show up for Jimmy Carter's funeral, to me, it was such a personal

00:53:38.020 slap in the face to every American. 0.60

00:53:40.840 Look, I understand.

00:53:41.860 You don't want to always have to go to public events.

00:53:46.520 But when you run for president of the United States or when you are married to the president

00:53:52.420 of the United States, there are certain moments that demand to me that you show up

00:53:57.560 and show the least semblance of respect for the country that you could.

00:54:01.520 Hillary Clinton was at the funeral for Jimmy Carter.

00:54:06.340 The Bushes were at the funeral for Jimmy Carter.

00:54:10.320 Certainly Trump and Melania were there.

00:54:14.720 It doesn't take a lot to be willing to give a few hours of your time to get on a private

00:54:21.560 jet and fly somewhere, get off, be respectful for a couple of hours.

00:54:27.060 She didn't show up for the inauguration of Trump.

00:54:29.620 Barack Obama did.

00:54:30.660 I give him credit for that.

00:54:32.980 She doesn't seem like a person that would be fun to spend time with, Buck.

00:54:36.280 And I just, I look at this and instead of saying, hey, boy, you know, I'm from, I think,

00:54:44.380 the south side of Chicago, if I'm not mistaken.

00:54:46.800 I grew up and I got to be the first lady of the United States.

00:54:50.980 I married the president.

00:54:52.880 What is an incredible story that is that you can be a kid from the south side of Chicago

00:54:58.660 and you can grow up to do this, right?

00:55:01.940 I mean, you know who's actually leaned into that?

00:55:04.060 Because I think he's also from the south side of Chicago.

00:55:06.700 The Pope.

00:55:08.140 The American Pope, Leo.

00:55:10.560 He's talked, I've seen quite a lot about how amazing it is that a kid who grew up on the

00:55:15.220 south side of Chicago could ascend to become the Pope.

00:55:18.460 I just, every time Michelle Obama speaks, I think to myself, what a, be careful here, 1.00

00:55:26.740 you might need to turn down the radio, what a bitch. 1.00

00:55:29.560 What an ungrateful bitch Michelle Obama is. 1.00

00:55:33.800 Unique among all of the first ladies of different political parties. 1.00

00:55:37.940 All she does is whine and talk like, hey, well, I have to have a glam squad or I'm not even 0.99

00:55:43.700 going to travel with my wardrobe people.

00:55:47.460 Oh, I don't, I don't wear a lot of things off the rack.

00:55:50.800 I wear everything off the rack.

00:55:53.100 I know a lot of women that wear things off the rack. 1.00

00:55:55.640 Now you can come after me because I shouldn't because you should say, oh, you should have

00:55:59.580 that better tailored.

00:56:00.620 Oh, why do your pants drag? 0.88

00:56:02.300 Why are your sleeves too long?

00:56:03.700 Those are criticisms.

00:56:04.760 The answer is because I just buy things off the rack and I'm not a diva.

00:56:09.600 And I just, I don't get it.

00:56:12.580 I don't get it.

00:56:13.600 Every time she speaks, Buck, I just think to myself, boy.

00:56:17.460 She had an opportunity.

00:56:18.800 She reminds me of the U.S. women's soccer team. 1.00

00:56:21.120 I think there's a lot of this.

00:56:22.200 I don't think it's just unique to her for left-wing people.

00:56:25.680 Do you remember when Megan Rapinoe, they were playing in the World Cup and she just chose 0.98

00:56:31.300 that opportunity to take shots at President Trump?

00:56:34.520 Said, I'm not going to go to the White House.

00:56:36.020 I'm not going to visit.

00:56:36.860 And then she insulted him with expletives. 1.00

00:56:40.220 And I'm thinking to myself, you are on the national stage for young women everywhere around

00:56:45.840 the world who aspire to grow up and be great soccer players like you.

00:56:49.600 How about a scintilla of gratitude for the fact that you have this opportunity?

00:56:56.420 And this left-wing, and I think it's primarily women, honestly, which is the foundation of the

00:57:03.240 Democrat Party, this left-wing, hectoring, ungrateful, baseline bitchiness that is the 1.00

00:57:11.740 Democrat Party? 0.96

00:57:12.700 Buck, I think it's why men are done with them. 1.00

00:57:14.500 But every man out there is like, yeah, I've had to deal with that in my life.

00:57:20.120 It's like every single Democrat woman has got her finger out and she's lecturing you all day long.

00:57:27.120 And I think a lot of women out there listening to us right now are nodding along.

00:57:30.720 It's like the whole party is just the most annoying person at your job who's lecturing you

00:57:37.460 about something that she doesn't like, that really isn't anything wrong at all.

00:57:42.200 Nothing has changed, by the way, in the apparent attitude that Michelle Obama, formerly Michelle

00:57:47.920 Robinson, has.

00:57:49.220 You can easily go find her Princeton thesis, which I read back in the early days.

00:57:53.360 You told me it was just atrocious.

00:57:55.060 It is atrocious.

00:57:56.960 It is absolutely brutal reading in terms of, you're like, what is this?

00:58:01.500 But it's Princeton-educated blacks and the black community was her thesis.

00:58:06.820 Does anyone want to guess what it's about, the isolation and the feelings of subtle racism

00:58:12.840 you deal with as a black student at Princeton?

00:58:14.600 She wrote her thesis on this.

00:58:17.880 The peak, the pinnacle of her academic life as an undergraduate was to write a 100-page

00:58:26.600 whine about how hard it was to be black at Princeton, which, by the way, this was in the

00:58:32.900 payday of affirmative action, she probably got about 300 points worth of assistance on,

00:58:38.460 in terms of SAT comparison, at least 200-plus points to get into Princeton.

00:58:42.940 Yeah. 0.96

00:58:43.120 So the only reason she could whine about being black at Princeton is because she was black 1.00

00:58:48.360 at Princeton. 0.97

00:58:49.020 Probably.

00:58:49.240 And being black and applying to Princeton at that time was a particular privilege in the

00:58:54.280 admissions process.

00:58:55.640 So yes, that is the great irony of this.

00:58:57.580 Michelle Obama got into Princeton in large part because she was a black woman, and then

00:59:02.100 she wrote a thesis about how hard it was to be a black woman at Princeton.

00:59:06.060 And that kind of sums up the attitude.

00:59:08.340 I also think it sums up the legacy media in general.

00:59:12.400 The protect, you see the, I don't know that we played this clip, I think it was last week

00:59:15.860 it was going viral.

00:59:16.880 She was saying something like, oh, our family never got the grace that other families got.

00:59:23.120 And I saw that clip, maybe we can grab it before we finish the hour.

00:59:27.960 And I'm sorry, Buck, do you remember, as I do, the Bush daughters getting destroyed by 0.87

00:59:36.380 national media for relatively minor teenager-related infractions as if they were modern-day felons

00:59:45.340 of an enormous magnitude?

00:59:47.180 They got treated basically the same as Hunter.

00:59:50.400 And by the way, how about the Bidens?

00:59:52.120 Now, they did a lot, but Hunter and all the other Biden kids got incredible negative media

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00:59:59.120 And Chelsea, back in the day, I don't remember everybody bending over backwards to treat Chelsea

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01:00:19.920 And we know, we've had all these guys on the program.

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01:00:26.800 Like the kids?

01:00:27.700 I'm not talking about Trump himself.

01:00:29.540 They would put them in prison if they could, for sure.

01:00:32.180 And they haven't done anything wrong.

01:00:34.860 Yes, all true.

01:00:36.880 Well, the Democrats tried, to be clear.

01:00:39.240 It's not just they would desire to put Trump family members in prison.

01:00:42.760 And they made moves to do so.

01:00:44.920 Oh, totally.

01:00:46.600 It's a whole other thing.

01:00:47.280 People are going to say, oh, well, Hunter.

01:00:48.540 Yeah, Hunter committed about 100 felonies on his laptop.

01:00:52.700 If you just click and went and looked through any of Hunter's laptop, he got insanely favorable

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01:01:00.560 I guess maybe it was all just Russian disinformation.

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