Verdict with Ted Cruz - Deep Dive into Hunter Biden & the Weaponization of the Federal Government： Part 2 with Jim Jordan

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00:00:05.420 Welcome to Washington, D.C. Part 2 of our deep dive into the Biden crime family and the investigation.

00:00:12.780 Senator, as always, great to be with you here in D.C. with our special guest, Congressman Jim Jordan.

00:00:18.780 And I want to remind people, we did Part 1.

00:00:22.060 That came out on Wednesday morning with some very big breaking news in that.

00:00:25.820 If you missed it, go back and listen to it.

00:00:28.500 But it's an important show.

00:00:30.600 Well, Wednesday's show and today's show are designed to really be a resource.

00:00:34.620 If you're wondering, all right, what's going on with all of this scandal?

00:00:37.860 And listen, it's hard.

00:00:38.900 You're busy.

00:00:39.600 You're working.

00:00:40.340 You turn on the TV.

00:00:41.700 You hear a sound bite here or there.

00:00:44.140 But you may not understand what all is going on.

00:00:47.240 And the great thing about a podcast, I have to admit, having done this now for several years,

00:00:51.340 what I like about the format is we can have an actual conversation.

00:00:55.340 You're not rushed.

00:00:56.040 And get into real details.

00:00:59.120 And so this is part two.

00:01:01.800 And part two, we're going to start with, look, one of the things you're chairman in the House,

00:01:07.760 of the House Judiciary Committee, but also the subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government.

00:01:12.580 And let's start with, you know, as you know, the last book I wrote was Justice Corrupted,

00:01:18.640 how the left has weaponized our legal system.

00:01:23.040 And you're chairing a subcommittee focused on that.

00:01:28.100 Tell us, what is the focus of the subcommittee and what does it mean weaponizing the federal government?

00:01:34.100 The agencies have been turned on the American people, the people they're supposed to serve.

00:01:38.480 So instead of serving the taxpayer, the people who pay their salaries, who pay for our government,

00:01:42.660 I think it's been turned against Americans for political reasons.

00:01:47.980 And I would actually go back to remember about a year ago,

00:01:50.900 I guess it's a little less than a year ago,

00:01:52.360 when Joe Biden stood in front of Independence Hall and called half the country fascist.

00:01:56.340 Yeah.

00:01:56.480 Remember he was bathed in red light.

00:01:58.200 He looked like Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars.

00:02:00.540 It was kind of crazy, kind of creepy.

00:02:04.100 I agree with everything you said except for the word kind of.

00:02:06.740 Yeah.

00:02:07.440 It was bad.

00:02:09.280 And so now you think about, we feel like some of these agencies are focused just with that mindset.

00:02:15.060 I'll give you a great example.

00:02:16.560 This happened in the field office, the Richmond field office of the FBI.

00:02:21.660 They put together this memorandum.

00:02:23.860 They call it in the FBI, they call it a domain perspective.

00:02:26.880 And we've actually seen it, the one that's, you know, very few redactions.

00:02:31.120 The first one that came out with a lot of redactions, but one with very few redactions.

00:02:35.380 And this was the radical traditional Catholic memorandum.

00:02:40.240 And you read through this.

00:02:41.700 They were talking about developing sources inside the parish, informants inside the church.

00:02:47.240 I mean, the idea, someone, and this was signed off on by five people at the Richmond field office, including the chief division counsel.

00:02:57.360 So some lawyer who went to law school and probably should have had a course on the Constitution if they didn't.

00:03:03.960 Someone taught them about the First Amendment, the Bill of Rights, and yet they signed off on this.

00:03:07.640 And they're talking about sending spies into Catholic churches.

00:03:10.800 And trying to recruit priests to be informants for the FBI.

00:03:16.620 On their flock.

00:03:17.480 Yeah, right, right.

00:03:18.600 Actually, think about, you know, confessional.

00:03:21.620 Like, what's going on?

00:03:22.260 This is crazy.

00:03:23.600 So, now, thank goodness.

00:03:24.960 All right, on this point, and I want to keep on the deep dive, but I do have to tell you one of my favorite stories.

00:03:29.760 Okay.

00:03:29.860 So, Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the greatest justices ever to serve on the court.

00:03:35.660 When Justice Scalia is nominated to the D.C. Circuit, the FBI, anytime you get nominated to be a judge, the FBI does a background check.

00:03:45.380 And Scalia gets a call from his childhood priest.

00:03:49.980 And the priest says, Nino, FBI called, asking questions about you.

00:03:58.440 But don't you worry.

00:03:59.960 I didn't tell him nothing!

00:04:03.300 That's a true story.

00:04:04.620 Really.

00:04:05.160 That's a great priest.

00:04:05.920 That's awesome.

00:04:06.640 That's the answer you want your priest to give.

00:04:09.520 You don't switch after that.

00:04:11.460 You stick with him, ride or die to the very end.

00:04:14.680 But Scalia loved telling that story.

00:04:16.200 Yeah, that's a great story.

00:04:17.080 So, this memorandum, this domain perspective, talks about the sources inside and the parish inside the church.

00:04:25.680 But what troubled me is when you read through it, what they really were defining as a radical traditional Catholic, they had a footnote about the Dobbs decision.

00:04:35.140 They said that the extremists and radical traditional Catholics may find common ground.

00:04:39.940 I forget how the sentence exactly went, but it was something to the effect on abortion, on marriage.

00:04:45.460 Which, it was basically, if you're...

00:04:47.280 And the Latin Mass.

00:04:48.380 Yeah.

00:04:48.780 If you attended the Latin Mass.

00:04:51.020 If you're a pro-life, pro-family Catholic, you're radical.

00:04:54.800 And it was funny because when this sort of came out a couple months ago, I happened to be doing Sean Duffy's show because he's on Fox Business.

00:05:03.020 And Sean was asking me about it.

00:05:04.800 And I said, Sean, when you read through this and kind of read between the lines, it's like, I thought of you and Rachel's family because they got like 30 kids, you know, and they're pro-life, pro-family.

00:05:15.620 They're wonderful.

00:05:16.460 Great people.

00:05:17.060 Sean was a great member.

00:05:18.540 And it's like, they're defining them as radical.

00:05:21.440 That's like, that's how bad it was.

00:05:23.500 Traditional values are now radical values in the eyes of the government.

00:05:25.640 Yeah.

00:05:25.900 And the Catholic Church.

00:05:27.420 And actually, I would say more broadly that they define it as anyone who's serious about their faith.

00:05:32.420 That makes you inherently suspect.

00:05:34.920 And that is so contrary to the First Amendment.

00:05:36.580 Yep.

00:05:36.700 It's like, and, you know, the FBI pulled this back.

00:05:40.960 But would they have pulled it back but for a whistleblower who came and told us?

00:05:44.340 Like, I don't know.

00:05:45.280 I'd like to think they would.

00:05:46.220 Well, it's the same way that going after parents and categorizing parents as your, you are a domestic terrorist if you show up to a school board and you get angry at what they're doing with your kids.

00:05:55.140 Well, and Jim broke the story about how the FBI is currently using a threat tag.

00:06:00.560 So, look, we've discussed at great length how Merrick Garland, one of the first things he did was directed the FBI to go after and target parents who dare speak up at school boards.

00:06:11.880 And to treat them, this was in response to the National Association of School Boards that asked that parents be treated as domestic terrorists under the Patriot Act.

00:06:21.920 And within five or six days, Merrick Garland snaps to attention, issues the memorandum.

00:06:27.500 It becomes public.

00:06:28.460 National Association of School Board apologizes for it.

00:06:32.200 After the hearing.

00:06:33.100 But Merrick Garland doesn't back down at all.

00:06:35.340 Still in.

00:06:35.700 And then what you broke is they're still doing it.

00:06:38.800 That memorandum's still in place.

00:06:40.420 The memorandum from Richmond has been rescinded, thank goodness.

00:06:43.380 Go back to the school board thing.

00:06:44.900 It had been you and the center bringing this up.

00:06:47.180 September 29th, 2021, the School Board Association, the left-wing political group, puts out the memorandum, use the Patriot Act against moms and dads.

00:06:55.340 Five days later, October 4th, the Attorney General of the United States issues a memorandum doing exactly what the School Board Association asks.

00:07:02.320 And then two weeks later, on October 20th, October 20th, 16 days later, on October 20th.

00:07:10.460 Let me ask you something.

00:07:11.540 You're the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

00:07:13.920 Does the Biden DOJ respond to you in five days?

00:07:17.460 That's a great point.

00:07:19.380 No.

00:07:19.480 Because they don't respond to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

00:07:21.300 No, they don't.

00:07:23.040 But think about it.

00:07:23.700 On October 20th is when the threat tag and an email gets sent out to FBI agents all across the country, all the field offices.

00:07:30.260 So I always tell people, so from September 29th to October 20th, 22 days, to your point, when have you ever seen the federal government move that fast?

00:07:39.200 Yeah.

00:07:39.540 Never.

00:07:40.620 But when it came to going after the—

00:07:41.300 Well, they did find the leaker of the Dobbs decision, right?

00:07:43.920 Yes.

00:07:44.580 And record time, right?

00:07:46.240 Record time.

00:07:46.920 Yeah, right.

00:07:47.440 Yeah, right.

00:07:47.880 That's another issue, though.

00:07:49.480 But you talk about weaponization?

00:07:51.340 That is like turning—when you think that the Justice Department didn't prosecute any of these people who were protested at justices' homes, the attack on the court—

00:08:02.260 Yep.

00:08:02.760 —all designed, I think, to intimidate the court on that particular decision and set the stage for what they really want to do, which is pack the court.

00:08:09.920 Well, weaponization is—

00:08:11.300 You've talked about this and wrote about this.

00:08:13.420 Weaponization is twofold.

00:08:14.600 It is both using the machinery of government as a weapon to attack your enemies, but it's also declining to give the protection of law to people you disagree with.

00:08:27.300 Well said.

00:08:27.820 Well said.

00:08:28.920 And look, this is something the George Soros prosecutors understand.

00:08:32.260 We have DAs who come in, and they realize you can abolish the police by shutting the police down, or you can abolish the police by putting a DA in who won't prosecute violent criminals.

00:08:42.340 Either one does the same thing.

00:08:43.500 It won't prosecute the folks that the good police officers go out—all those good cops on the street who go out and arrest, won't prosecute them.

00:08:50.380 No, you're exactly right.

00:08:51.220 And Merrick Garland's doing the same thing.

00:08:52.960 It is a federal crime, unequivocal, on the statute books, that you cannot protest at a justice's home.

00:09:01.040 They've done so night after night after night, and DOJ has not prosecuted a single person.

00:09:05.980 They directed the marshals not to arrest them.

00:09:09.380 Yep.

00:09:10.260 Directly contrary to law.

00:09:12.320 And Merrick Garland, when asked—I've asked him at great length.

00:09:14.840 I saw that.

00:09:15.220 I saw it.

00:09:16.060 He won't—he doesn't like that law.

00:09:18.900 18 U.S.C. Section 1507.

00:09:20.740 And, you know, you can raise concerns about, okay, is that law got some First Amendment problems?

00:09:26.660 It's the law, and it was—and they were doing—

00:09:29.080 And by the way, people firebombing crisis pregnancy centers.

00:09:32.320 They don't prosecute that either.

00:09:33.840 They've got the resources to send people undercover into Catholic churches.

00:09:38.220 Remember that line?

00:09:38.800 Yeah, it's hard to find people at night when they commit crimes.

00:09:41.140 That's why they can't get them.

00:09:42.380 But it was hundreds of churches—

00:09:43.720 It's convenient most criminals commit their crimes during the day,

00:09:46.880 because it really—this DOJ can't be bothered to turn the lights on.

00:09:49.860 Hundreds of churches and crisis pregnancy centers have been attacked in the aftermath of the leak.

00:09:54.580 And as you pointed out earlier, Senator, we still don't know, you know, who the leaker was.

00:09:59.940 But we—I think we can logically figure out what the motive was.

00:10:04.040 Yeah.

00:10:04.160 The motive was to intimidate the court and get them to change that decision.

00:10:06.940 There's a lot of Americans that are going to, I know, think,

00:10:10.700 is there going to be any accountability for abuse of power?

00:10:13.100 And I want to go back to the investigation with Hunter Biden and the Biden family.

00:10:18.860 Let's talk about how many Bidens are involved.

00:10:22.320 And I understand that people say, well, you've got to make a living.

00:10:26.940 I've heard people say that.

00:10:28.040 You've got to make a living.

00:10:29.720 But the reality is, to make as much money they're having coming in—

00:10:33.840 and let's talk about where the money's coming from.

00:10:36.240 You know a lot about that money, and I think we should do a really deep dive into where the cash is coming from.

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00:11:39.920 Let's talk about these suspicious activity reports, because for people that don't know what that is,

00:11:45.780 banks can flag things.

00:11:47.540 They can flag things they think are suspicious.

00:11:49.760 Yep.

00:11:49.960 And there's a hell of a lot of them connected to the last name Biden.

00:11:55.420 Why are there so many first off?

00:11:57.420 And is it because so much of the money is coming in from places that are shady?

00:12:01.920 Or is it because they know who the money is coming from and they've already said this is a bad actor?

00:12:07.280 Well, I think it's probably all of the above.

00:12:08.680 We're trying to put all those pieces together, but it's Ukraine, it's China, it's Russia,

00:12:13.820 not exactly the countries that you jump to the top of the list that are reputable kind of places

00:12:20.640 where you're going to be doing business.

00:12:21.940 So I think, what was it, the mayor of Moscow's wife gave 100, I forget that one,

00:12:26.560 it was a ton of money, it was several million.

00:12:27.840 Yeah, a million plus bucks.

00:12:29.420 You just go on and on.

00:12:30.640 So there's a number of these places where it's coming from.

00:12:33.300 I think complexity, you know, 20-some LLCs that are set up that with the Biden family

00:12:40.600 and their partners, this Robinson Walker guy and these others,

00:12:45.200 when you've got that many LLCs, companies you're setting up,

00:12:48.240 I think complexity was the objective.

00:12:51.260 And it was designed to, it seems to me, to hide the money.

00:12:53.580 Well, let me ask you a law enforcement question.

00:12:56.560 When you have crooks, when you have drug cartels, when you have the mafia,

00:12:59.660 why do they create all sorts of shell corporations to move the money? 0.85

00:13:05.140 Yep.

00:13:05.580 No, I know, because it probably causes money laundering.

00:13:08.800 So we don't know if that's the same thing going on here,

00:13:10.840 but it all starts to look suspicious.

00:13:12.880 Again, I think we talked about this in our last one,

00:13:16.440 but, you know, there aren't just one or two suspicious activity reports.

00:13:20.500 There's 170-some.

00:13:22.360 And it's not just one or two LLCs.

00:13:24.160 It's not like one company, one entity they set up and receives money,

00:13:27.220 and they're doing real work, real business, real value, real service.

00:13:31.640 That's not the case.

00:13:32.480 There's 20-some of these LLCs,

00:13:34.780 and they're getting money from all these countries

00:13:36.660 that have got kind of shady concerns there,

00:13:38.800 and it's literally millions of dollars.

00:13:43.260 And, you know, it's an amazing thing.

00:13:46.740 Look, there are people in politics who have family members who are lobbyists,

00:13:52.000 who say, okay, you know, you've got a Democrat who's got a family member

00:13:56.040 who goes and works with a big labor union,

00:13:57.980 goes and works with a teacher's union.

00:13:59.620 That stuff is shady, but not generally illegal.

00:14:06.740 It really says something when the son of the vice president

00:14:12.340 decides his business model is not just to go get a bunch of Democrat clients

00:14:17.720 to hire him to influence dad,

00:14:20.700 but go to foreign nations,

00:14:22.980 communist China, Russia, and Ukraine.

00:14:27.560 I mean, that's quite the collection.

00:14:29.340 I mean, that's, you know,

00:14:30.840 you kind of wonder where, like, Libya and Iran and North Korea are.

00:14:35.400 Yeah.

00:14:35.420 I mean, it...

00:14:36.940 There's 170.

00:14:38.340 You may be in line.

00:14:39.560 Well, I have no evidence of that,

00:14:41.100 so I'm not suggesting that,

00:14:42.280 but it really is...

00:14:43.960 Well, remember when Ukraine was, 0.86

00:14:46.280 I think, on the list of corrupt countries,

00:14:48.220 was, like, maybe number one.

00:14:49.700 It was, like, right near the top.

00:14:50.920 Yeah.

00:14:51.440 So just that in and of itself,

00:14:52.920 and Russia is certainly a corrupt kind of place for business as well.

00:14:57.580 So, yeah, those are right near the top of the list,

00:15:00.400 and this is where Hunter Biden's getting a lot of money.

00:15:03.220 How much are you concerned about the fact that,

00:15:05.080 apparently, the money that was coming in from the Russians

00:15:06.860 is coming in from individuals that have still not been named

00:15:10.540 as those that are being sanctioned by our government?

00:15:14.160 A new round of sanctions came out a few weeks ago.

00:15:17.140 Not on that list.

00:15:18.940 Are the people that gave Hunter Biden, the Biden family,

00:15:22.720 millions of dollars, literally?

00:15:24.700 Yeah.

00:15:25.420 I mean, we'll have to see,

00:15:27.040 but, you know, I'm at the point now,

00:15:30.300 there's not a whole lot that surprised me.

00:15:31.780 One of the things I've learned over time is

00:15:34.040 you've been involved in a number of these investigations,

00:15:36.160 whether we go back, I think it was 10 years ago this week

00:15:39.060 when we first learned about Lois Lerner and the IRS

00:15:40.800 targeting, you know, conservatives,

00:15:42.520 when you were running for office.

00:15:46.120 So, one thing I always learn is

00:15:48.620 when you get in these investigations,

00:15:50.040 the one thing we always get wrong is

00:15:52.020 it's always worse than we thought.

00:15:54.340 And that may be that the Biden's...

00:15:56.160 Is this worse than you thought?

00:15:57.300 I mean, it may not be with Biden's, I don't know yet,

00:15:59.120 because we haven't completed the investigation,

00:16:00.540 but every other one, that's always been the case.

00:16:02.960 And remember, when Lois Lerner,

00:16:05.000 who was a senior official at the Department of Justice,

00:16:07.700 she was targeting conservatives,

00:16:09.000 she was targeting Tea Party groups,

00:16:11.000 she was targeting pro-Israel groups,

00:16:12.560 she was targeting pro-life groups, 0.86

00:16:14.240 she was targeting groups that included in their title 0.99

00:16:16.600 anything about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

00:16:18.860 That was suspect.

00:16:19.920 Patriot.

00:16:20.320 If you believed in the Bill of Rights...

00:16:23.680 Yeah, scary.

00:16:24.600 That that was...

00:16:25.860 Yeah.

00:16:26.680 And you remember when the news broke?

00:16:29.040 The news broke because the Department of Treasury

00:16:30.780 Inspector General...

00:16:31.940 Yep.

00:16:32.400 ...reported on it.

00:16:33.220 Sure did.

00:16:34.000 And Barack Obama went and did a press conference.

00:16:37.020 And he said, quote,

00:16:38.200 I am angry,

00:16:39.760 and the American people have a right to be angry.

00:16:42.200 Now, that was actually...

00:16:43.780 It's good.

00:16:44.360 The second half of it was right.

00:16:45.820 The first half of it was a lie.

00:16:47.620 And it was a lie because he wasn't angry.

00:16:49.320 He was angry, he got caught.

00:16:51.200 But if he was angry,

00:16:52.260 he wouldn't have done what he did after that,

00:16:53.960 which is stonewall and stonewall and stonewall.

00:16:56.540 And when Lois Lerner pleads the fifth

00:16:59.360 and refuses to testify

00:17:00.480 and is held in contempt of Congress,

00:17:02.960 you know what?

00:17:03.640 His Department of Justice didn't prosecute.

00:17:05.620 Right.

00:17:06.080 And I believe he said later on

00:17:08.580 that he didn't think anyone did anything wrong.

00:17:11.060 And it's like,

00:17:11.740 there's a pending investigation.

00:17:13.020 You can't have the head of the executive branch saying,

00:17:16.300 you know,

00:17:16.560 judging the outcome

00:17:17.500 and that there's nothing wrong here.

00:17:19.140 So, yeah, but he...

00:17:21.960 What she did was

00:17:22.880 just targeting conservative groups

00:17:24.660 applying for tax exempt status

00:17:26.120 and having this be on the lookout list

00:17:29.000 of people applying

00:17:30.620 for the reasons you stated so wrong.

00:17:33.600 Well, and that was the model

00:17:34.420 for what's happened under Biden.

00:17:36.100 And by the way,

00:17:36.940 in between Obama and Biden,

00:17:40.340 you had the Trump administration.

00:17:42.420 And amazingly enough,

00:17:43.680 the federal government was weaponized

00:17:45.180 against him,

00:17:46.400 the sitting president.

00:17:49.240 You know,

00:17:50.020 Ben asked a minute ago

00:17:51.000 about accountability.

00:17:51.960 What accountability

00:17:53.120 has there been

00:17:54.400 for the DOJ

00:17:56.120 and FBI officials

00:17:57.640 involved in Crossfire Hurricane?

00:17:59.220 I know.

00:18:00.080 I know.

00:18:00.520 It's...

00:18:01.120 Other than Klein-Smith

00:18:02.060 who falsified a document

00:18:03.720 in front of the FISA court,

00:18:04.740 no one's had anything.

00:18:05.800 And this is...

00:18:06.200 It's probably the question

00:18:06.960 I get more than any other.

00:18:08.280 I'm sure you get the same way

00:18:09.160 when you're out and about

00:18:09.680 talking with folks

00:18:10.280 around the country.

00:18:10.820 And by the way,

00:18:12.420 let's pause on Klein-Smith

00:18:14.000 because we've lived this

00:18:16.160 for a while,

00:18:16.840 but not everyone listening to this.

00:18:18.380 So Klein-Smith was

00:18:19.400 an assistant general counsel

00:18:21.480 at the FBI

00:18:23.240 who fraudulently created

00:18:26.200 a counterfeit document

00:18:27.400 and submitted it

00:18:28.500 to a federal court.

00:18:31.200 And in particular,

00:18:32.220 what the counterfeit document was

00:18:34.120 is they wanted to get

00:18:35.540 a wiretap on Carter Page.

00:18:37.880 It was one of the foreign policy advisors

00:18:40.880 advising the Trump campaign.

00:18:43.400 This is in 2016.

00:18:45.640 And the basis for this wiretap is

00:18:48.320 Carter Page was talking

00:18:49.820 to some shady Russians. 0.51

00:18:51.840 And so the FBI,

00:18:53.280 doing actually its job,

00:18:55.000 reached out and emailed the CIA

00:18:56.400 and said,

00:18:56.920 hey, is this guy a source?

00:18:59.560 He's an asset for you

00:19:01.180 because if you're talking

00:19:03.100 to shady Russians, 0.77

00:19:03.980 that's pretty suspicious.

00:19:05.640 But if you're doing it

00:19:06.660 on behalf of your country,

00:19:07.600 the United States of America,

00:19:08.980 thank you, it's not suspicious.

00:19:10.220 Yeah, it's not suspicious.

00:19:11.420 Yeah, like it's a good thing.

00:19:12.940 Is he our guy?

00:19:13.920 Is he one of us?

00:19:14.880 Is he a friendly?

00:19:16.020 And so Klein-Smith

00:19:17.000 emails the CIA,

00:19:18.740 says,

00:19:19.120 is he a source for you?

00:19:20.760 CIA emails back,

00:19:21.960 yes, he is.

00:19:23.040 He is a source.

00:19:24.160 And Klein-Smith takes that email.

00:19:25.940 I know.

00:19:26.720 And he fraudulently alters it

00:19:28.420 and he changes

00:19:29.280 is a source

00:19:30.660 to is not a source.

00:19:32.340 180 degrees.

00:19:33.140 So how many days

00:19:33.860 has he been in jail for this?

00:19:35.380 Zero.

00:19:35.600 Not a day.

00:19:36.640 That's not a day.

00:19:39.060 And that's the part where-

00:19:40.420 And that was submitted

00:19:40.620 to a federal court

00:19:41.460 and I guarantee

00:19:42.040 if any of us

00:19:42.920 created a fraudulent document

00:19:44.640 and submitted it

00:19:45.300 to a federal court,

00:19:46.720 you'd do real jail time.

00:19:47.660 And the thing that always

00:19:48.400 sticks out to me

00:19:48.880 is 180 degree change

00:19:51.080 in the meaning

00:19:51.540 is not.

00:19:53.420 It's just like

00:19:53.880 you can't change it more.

00:19:56.740 They did that.

00:19:57.600 I still go back

00:19:58.820 to that campaign.

00:19:59.480 I remember how

00:20:00.360 they said Donald Trump 0.93

00:20:01.740 was insane 0.93

00:20:02.400 because he said

00:20:02.920 they were spying

00:20:03.940 on my campaign.

00:20:05.840 And they said

00:20:06.220 no one was.

00:20:06.860 Obama said

00:20:07.540 no one was spying

00:20:08.340 on his campaign. 0.89

00:20:08.860 It's ludicrous. 0.95

00:20:10.380 They were. 0.88

00:20:10.860 It sounds like something

00:20:11.460 51 intelligence officials

00:20:12.720 would do.

00:20:13.140 Yeah, right?

00:20:13.740 Yeah, just get them

00:20:14.320 to sign a letter

00:20:14.820 and it's all good.

00:20:15.940 Well, you know, look.

00:20:17.500 Crossfire Hurricane,

00:20:18.520 part of the reason

00:20:19.160 it happened

00:20:19.640 is

00:20:21.800 nobody believed

00:20:25.420 Trump would be president

00:20:26.820 so they'd never been caught.

00:20:28.000 If Hillary had won 0.99

00:20:28.940 this would have all

00:20:31.480 faded in the darkness.

00:20:32.360 Remind you of Crossfire Hurricane

00:20:33.220 just so they understand

00:20:34.440 that exactly.

00:20:34.860 So Crossfire Hurricane

00:20:36.040 was the name

00:20:38.040 given to the effort

00:20:39.720 to target

00:20:40.680 the person who was then

00:20:42.740 the Republican nominee

00:20:43.560 to be president.

00:20:44.640 And it was the deep state

00:20:46.140 engaged in war

00:20:49.100 and it was the same

00:20:50.420 weaponization

00:20:51.160 that had begun

00:20:51.860 under Obama

00:20:52.640 and actually

00:20:53.940 Crossfire Hurricane

00:20:54.700 began under Obama

00:20:55.720 and then it

00:20:56.460 waged on

00:20:58.260 under Trump

00:21:00.960 and actually

00:21:01.560 July 5th

00:21:02.880 2017

00:21:05.160 there was a meeting

00:21:06.240 in the Oval Office

00:21:06.920 with Barack Obama

00:21:07.960 with Joe Biden

00:21:09.000 with Jim Comey

00:21:10.700 who was the head

00:21:11.160 of the FBI

00:21:11.780 with James Clapper

00:21:14.480 and they decided

00:21:16.300 we're going to keep

00:21:18.700 this going

00:21:19.240 and

00:21:21.060 we're going to

00:21:23.360 target the president

00:21:24.200 at that point

00:21:24.840 they knew Trump

00:21:25.340 was coming in

00:21:26.020 he was 15 days away

00:21:27.260 from being sworn in

00:21:28.280 and they said

00:21:28.680 keep it going

00:21:29.300 and they made a decision

00:21:30.480 and by the way

00:21:31.120 that's where Joe Biden

00:21:32.380 suggested

00:21:34.620 in that meeting

00:21:35.680 going after Michael Flynn

00:21:37.060 the incoming

00:21:37.540 national security advisor

00:21:38.720 under the Logan Act

00:21:40.960 which

00:21:42.240 the Logan Act

00:21:43.520 three times in history

00:21:45.200 has been enforced

00:21:46.020 so bad

00:21:47.220 it makes it a crime

00:21:49.020 essentially

00:21:50.680 for a private citizen

00:21:51.900 to engage in diplomacy

00:21:53.220 with foreign countries

00:21:55.000 and

00:21:55.840 John Kerry's done that a lot

00:21:58.040 daily

00:21:59.140 yeah

00:21:59.700 but it's also

00:22:01.320 when they decided

00:22:02.400 to go up to Trump Tower

00:22:03.780 it's president-elect Trump

00:22:05.160 January 5th

00:22:06.040 yes

00:22:06.220 of 2017

00:22:07.840 so he's president-elect

00:22:09.060 they go up there

00:22:09.700 and Comey briefs him 1.00

00:22:10.940 on the dossier

00:22:11.700 that they already knew

00:22:12.460 was false

00:22:13.020 and Comey briefs him 1.00

00:22:14.320 on it

00:22:14.540 and I'm convinced

00:22:15.200 the only reason

00:22:15.660 and that it'd been paid for

00:22:16.560 by the Hillary Clinton campaign

00:22:17.480 right

00:22:17.720 and the only reason

00:22:18.460 he briefs him on it

00:22:19.380 is so that they can leak it

00:22:20.860 yep

00:22:21.360 so that they can tell

00:22:22.420 so they can say

00:22:23.180 it was so important

00:22:24.480 Jim Comey went to New York

00:22:26.460 to brief president-elect Trump

00:22:27.880 on the dossier

00:22:28.760 that then leaks

00:22:29.940 they print the dossier

00:22:30.620 that's when it all got rolling

00:22:32.320 that led to

00:22:33.360 ultimately led to

00:22:34.480 the special counsel

00:22:35.320 after Trump fires Comey

00:22:36.980 and you get the special counsel

00:22:38.180 it's also interesting

00:22:38.960 you mentioned

00:22:39.380 Crossfire Hurricane

00:22:40.140 I always think this is funny

00:22:41.320 because remember

00:22:42.840 the Hillary Clinton email

00:22:43.780 that investigation

00:22:45.400 was called

00:22:46.480 the mid-year exam

00:22:47.800 yeah

00:22:48.140 you know very boring

00:22:48.960 and plain

00:22:49.600 but going into

00:22:51.180 President Trump

00:22:51.800 was like

00:22:52.280 crossfire hurting

00:22:53.800 like you can see him

00:22:54.440 pounding their chest

00:22:55.220 like we're gonna get

00:22:56.060 so like

00:22:56.800 even the names

00:22:58.020 they give these things

00:22:58.800 kind of indicate

00:22:59.620 the bias

00:23:00.280 that exists there

00:23:01.460 with folks in the government

00:23:03.320 Canadian women

00:23:05.120 are looking for more

00:23:06.180 more out of themselves

00:23:07.260 their businesses

00:23:08.100 their elected leaders

00:23:09.220 and the world around them

00:23:10.440 and that's why we're thrilled

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00:25:03.740 congressman

00:25:04.640 you've seen a lot

00:25:05.640 what shocked you

00:25:06.860 the most

00:25:07.560 I think one of the

00:25:08.680 things that

00:25:08.980 and I've touched on

00:25:09.800 a little bit before

00:25:10.620 but Elvis Chan

00:25:12.220 has a sworn declaration

00:25:13.640 with when

00:25:14.440 Senator Schmidt

00:25:15.500 then former

00:25:16.640 Attorney General

00:25:17.160 Schmidt in Missouri

00:25:18.220 brought a case

00:25:18.760 against the big tech

00:25:19.880 companies

00:25:20.200 and this collusion

00:25:21.820 and this suppression

00:25:22.460 of information

00:25:23.100 and all

00:25:23.400 Elvis Chan

00:25:24.700 has a declaration

00:25:25.320 there

00:25:25.640 where he says

00:25:26.900 that

00:25:27.720 repeatedly

00:25:30.500 excuse me

00:25:31.580 I said that wrong

00:25:32.200 Elvis Chan

00:25:32.700 is the FBI agent

00:25:33.520 talking to

00:25:34.360 to Yoel Roth

00:25:35.580 at Twitter

00:25:36.200 and

00:25:37.280 Yoel Roth

00:25:38.660 says

00:25:39.060 in his sworn

00:25:39.840 declaration

00:25:40.280 that repeatedly

00:25:41.600 in the month

00:25:42.560 of October 2020

00:25:43.500 we had

00:25:45.060 agencies telling us

00:25:46.500 FBI and other

00:25:47.180 agencies telling us

00:25:48.160 to expect a

00:25:49.400 Hunter Biden

00:25:49.820 laptop

00:25:50.960 hack and leak

00:25:52.300 there's going to be

00:25:52.740 a hack and leak

00:25:54.220 operation

00:25:54.780 that will happen

00:25:55.980 in October of 2020

00:25:57.240 and it will involve

00:25:58.600 Hunter Biden

00:25:59.220 and we were

00:26:00.100 repeatedly told that

00:26:01.380 by various

00:26:02.100 government agencies

00:26:02.820 and the FBI

00:26:03.540 was in possession

00:26:04.540 of Hunter's laptop

00:26:05.320 they already had

00:26:05.760 the laptop

00:26:06.020 so they're being

00:26:06.920 repeatedly told

00:26:07.800 what's going to

00:26:08.960 happen

00:26:09.280 when it's going

00:26:10.260 to happen

00:26:10.660 who it's going

00:26:11.520 to involve

00:26:11.920 what's going

00:26:12.940 to happen

00:26:13.220 hack and leak

00:26:13.840 when it's going

00:26:14.640 to happen

00:26:14.920 October 2020

00:26:15.760 just weeks

00:26:16.440 before the most

00:26:16.960 important election

00:26:17.480 we have

00:26:17.860 and who it's

00:26:18.460 going to involve

00:26:18.900 Hunter Biden

00:26:19.580 and you step

00:26:20.360 back and you say

00:26:20.920 how in the freak

00:26:21.960 did they know

00:26:22.520 and of course

00:26:23.640 they knew

00:26:23.960 because what

00:26:24.560 Senator just said

00:26:25.220 they had the

00:26:25.540 laptop

00:26:25.660 so that's when

00:26:26.280 it's to me

00:26:26.800 like oh my

00:26:27.960 goodness

00:26:28.560 they had the

00:26:30.360 laptop

00:26:30.780 they expected

00:26:32.260 it to get

00:26:32.720 public

00:26:33.180 now we all

00:26:34.000 know there's

00:26:34.360 an October

00:26:34.780 surprise

00:26:35.220 we get one

00:26:35.600 every four

00:26:35.980 years

00:26:36.340 right

00:26:36.680 right

00:26:37.000 so that

00:26:37.580 doesn't

00:26:37.880 surprise us

00:26:38.460 but when

00:26:39.000 you can name

00:26:39.560 exactly what

00:26:40.320 the October

00:26:40.740 surprise is

00:26:41.280 going to be

00:26:42.100 that's like

00:26:43.860 I've said

00:26:44.440 when I first

00:26:45.060 were these guys

00:26:46.020 clairvoyant

00:26:46.720 how did they

00:26:47.500 know

00:26:47.740 how did they

00:26:48.080 they were

00:26:48.520 prophets

00:26:48.940 you know

00:26:49.240 they could

00:26:49.500 figure it

00:26:49.760 out

00:26:49.900 like no

00:26:50.500 they had

00:26:51.540 the laptop

00:26:51.980 they had the

00:26:52.540 laptop

00:26:53.260 so that's

00:26:54.560 when they

00:26:55.020 had no

00:26:55.600 interest

00:26:56.060 no interest

00:26:57.540 in verifying

00:26:58.340 its authenticity

00:26:59.120 at least

00:26:59.840 that we know

00:27:01.020 of they had

00:27:01.460 no interest

00:27:02.180 in investigating

00:27:03.620 the evidence

00:27:04.280 of corruption

00:27:04.820 within the

00:27:05.400 laptop

00:27:05.760 that they were

00:27:06.880 perfectly happy

00:27:07.780 to keep it

00:27:09.000 utterly dormant

00:27:10.060 that was 2019

00:27:10.920 December 2019

00:27:11.860 they got possession

00:27:12.760 of the laptop

00:27:13.400 we're sitting

00:27:14.660 here in 2023

00:27:15.360 and there still

00:27:16.840 hasn't been a

00:27:17.340 prosecution

00:27:17.720 brought

00:27:18.080 and finally

00:27:19.940 hunters admitted

00:27:20.560 it's his laptop

00:27:21.400 in terms of

00:27:22.280 trying to fight

00:27:22.780 against this

00:27:23.340 but not in

00:27:24.480 Arkansas

00:27:24.940 not in

00:27:26.300 Arkansas

00:27:26.820 he backpedaled

00:27:28.820 which is going

00:27:29.740 to I think

00:27:30.160 get him in a lot

00:27:30.840 of trouble

00:27:31.280 if you notice

00:27:32.540 that when he

00:27:32.900 was down there

00:27:33.520 his attorney

00:27:34.180 was like

00:27:34.400 we're not even

00:27:34.980 saying this is

00:27:35.640 real

00:27:35.780 it's like

00:27:36.000 well hold on

00:27:36.560 you said

00:27:36.860 it's somewhere

00:27:37.200 else it was

00:27:37.700 real

00:27:37.960 but no

00:27:39.680 it's not real

00:27:40.460 because I don't

00:27:40.840 want to see

00:27:41.200 where my money

00:27:41.700 is because I

00:27:42.140 don't want to

00:27:42.380 have to pay

00:27:42.600 for this kid

00:27:43.140 so the

00:27:43.960 short answer

00:27:44.580 is we don't

00:27:45.180 know what

00:27:45.620 the FBI

00:27:46.020 did with the

00:27:46.500 laptop

00:27:46.740 we don't

00:27:47.120 know if

00:27:47.380 they validated

00:27:47.900 we don't

00:27:48.240 know if

00:27:48.360 they looked

00:27:48.680 at it

00:27:48.920 we don't

00:27:49.340 know if

00:27:49.520 we did

00:27:49.780 they confirmed

00:27:50.460 it

00:27:50.580 we don't

00:27:51.980 know

00:27:52.180 they haven't

00:27:52.720 prosecuted

00:27:53.180 anyone

00:27:53.480 right

00:27:54.020 but we do

00:27:54.960 know they

00:27:55.620 were telling

00:27:56.480 big tech

00:27:57.860 to be on the

00:27:59.000 lookout for

00:27:59.740 those specific

00:28:00.680 things

00:28:01.200 which suggest

00:28:02.640 they probably

00:28:04.860 did know

00:28:05.420 or they probably

00:28:06.140 did some of

00:28:06.660 us

00:28:06.780 maybe they

00:28:07.380 didn't

00:28:07.740 but they

00:28:08.460 were sure

00:28:08.880 predicting it

00:28:09.480 is there any

00:28:09.840 scenario that you guys

00:28:10.020 either of you

00:28:10.460 and I'm asking

00:28:10.920 this because this

00:28:11.400 is the fun part

00:28:11.940 about doing the

00:28:12.320 podcast

00:28:12.660 is there any

00:28:13.860 scenario in your

00:28:14.520 mind

00:28:14.880 you've been in

00:28:15.960 Washington a long

00:28:16.520 time

00:28:16.780 you worked over

00:28:17.460 at the Supreme

00:28:17.920 Court

00:28:18.240 you've had a

00:28:19.380 career

00:28:19.780 law enforcement

00:28:20.960 you know

00:28:21.200 where they

00:28:21.660 if you get a

00:28:22.320 laptop of the

00:28:22.940 FBI that you

00:28:23.560 think is a

00:28:24.200 former vice

00:28:25.020 president's

00:28:25.860 sons

00:28:26.320 that has damning

00:28:27.760 information on it

00:28:28.420 is there any

00:28:28.900 chance you just

00:28:29.600 shelve it

00:28:30.140 or wouldn't you

00:28:31.100 just out of pure

00:28:31.760 curiosity be like 0.99

00:28:32.800 we need to go

00:28:33.880 through this to

00:28:34.580 know what's out

00:28:35.200 there

00:28:35.520 if you're real

00:28:37.300 law enforcement

00:28:37.900 of course you

00:28:38.380 would

00:28:38.520 yeah but even

00:28:39.660 if you're just

00:28:40.220 a TMZ

00:28:40.860 type person

00:28:41.500 if you're a

00:28:42.160 hardcore

00:28:42.600 partisan

00:28:43.380 who hates

00:28:45.640 Donald Trump

00:28:46.640 this is the

00:28:50.460 same entity

00:28:51.840 that not long

00:28:54.000 after decided

00:28:54.980 to go undercover

00:28:56.040 targeting the

00:28:57.340 Republican nominee

00:28:58.260 for president

00:28:58.940 that's an

00:28:59.880 extraordinary

00:29:00.780 situation

00:29:01.520 look I'm an

00:29:02.320 alumnus of the

00:29:02.860 Department of

00:29:03.300 Justice

00:29:03.560 I was an

00:29:04.040 associate deputy

00:29:04.860 attorney general

00:29:06.060 under George W

00:29:07.180 Bush

00:29:07.540 look you

00:29:08.960 might have a

00:29:09.700 situation where

00:29:10.540 the evidence was

00:29:11.180 so compelling

00:29:11.760 you had to

00:29:12.280 investigate the

00:29:13.020 nominee for the

00:29:13.540 other party

00:29:13.980 but that threshold

00:29:15.220 should be really

00:29:15.980 damn high 0.78

00:29:16.500 now 0.98

00:29:16.840 not so high

00:29:19.760 that you get a

00:29:20.520 laptop full of

00:29:21.260 incriminating

00:29:21.740 information that

00:29:22.580 he is getting

00:29:24.400 the big guy is

00:29:25.280 getting 10% from

00:29:26.380 communist China

00:29:27.120 all right now

00:29:27.660 you're starting to

00:29:28.200 hit a threshold

00:29:28.760 of we got to

00:29:30.100 figure out if

00:29:30.600 this is real

00:29:31.160 but

00:29:33.060 the FBI and

00:29:37.200 DOJ what I

00:29:38.620 think happened

00:29:39.440 is hardcore

00:29:41.820 partisans

00:29:42.880 burrowed into

00:29:44.260 senior career

00:29:46.020 positions

00:29:46.700 and were

00:29:48.200 comfortable

00:29:48.980 treating

00:29:49.820 the machinery

00:29:51.460 of law

00:29:52.060 enforcement

00:29:52.600 as a tool

00:29:53.920 to protect

00:29:55.240 their friends

00:29:55.760 and attack

00:29:56.200 their enemies

00:29:56.660 do you agree

00:29:57.260 with that

00:29:57.640 well I also

00:29:58.360 think it's

00:29:58.860 it's it's

00:29:59.380 one thing

00:29:59.940 if they get

00:30:00.580 that laptop

00:30:02.080 in October

00:30:04.120 2020

00:30:04.620 yeah

00:30:05.180 that'd be a

00:30:05.740 different story

00:30:06.160 because there's

00:30:06.680 a you know

00:30:07.280 you work there

00:30:08.140 so you know

00:30:08.480 there's a window

00:30:09.020 of time where

00:30:09.560 you're sort of

00:30:10.020 like okay

00:30:10.840 we're getting

00:30:11.140 in that that

00:30:11.820 really critical

00:30:12.500 political time

00:30:13.260 when America's

00:30:14.160 deciding who's

00:30:14.680 there do we

00:30:15.620 really want to

00:30:16.120 impact the

00:30:16.540 election with

00:30:17.060 information we

00:30:17.740 bring out

00:30:18.440 so that's one

00:30:19.380 thing but this

00:30:20.120 was 10 months

00:30:20.640 before that

00:30:21.100 and by the

00:30:21.780 way

00:30:21.980 right before

00:30:23.660 the 2020

00:30:24.160 election had

00:30:25.160 or the

00:30:26.760 had information

00:30:28.080 about Joe

00:30:28.660 Biden rather

00:30:29.160 the 2022

00:30:29.560 election had

00:30:30.220 information about

00:30:30.900 Joe Biden's

00:30:31.540 classified documents

00:30:32.800 and they did

00:30:33.360 nothing with

00:30:33.860 it they didn't

00:30:34.280 leak it they

00:30:34.800 kept it secret

00:30:35.640 but 91 days

00:30:36.740 before that

00:30:37.320 election they

00:30:38.320 did raid

00:30:38.840 president Trump's

00:30:39.480 home so outside

00:30:40.640 that 90 day

00:30:41.400 window I guess

00:30:42.400 91 days you

00:30:43.620 bring you're

00:30:43.940 good to go

00:30:44.340 home but you

00:30:45.320 find something

00:30:45.920 within a month

00:30:47.140 or so I guess

00:30:47.700 it was a couple

00:30:48.100 weeks before the

00:30:48.820 election a week

00:30:49.860 week before the

00:30:50.880 election they

00:30:52.400 don't do anything

00:30:53.000 so but but

00:30:54.380 with the with

00:30:54.880 the laptop it's

00:30:56.280 10 months it's

00:30:57.640 10 months before

00:30:58.200 the election I

00:30:59.880 think you probably

00:31:00.320 check it out but

00:31:00.900 who knows what

00:31:01.440 they did

00:31:01.780 so one of

00:31:03.960 the things that

00:31:04.640 that I think is

00:31:05.260 striking and you

00:31:05.860 mentioned it

00:31:06.360 before is the

00:31:07.960 interrelation

00:31:10.160 between the

00:31:12.520 federal government

00:31:13.160 and big tech

00:31:15.160 and the media

00:31:15.680 because they're

00:31:17.280 all intertwined

00:31:18.420 in a way that

00:31:19.140 frankly is is

00:31:20.180 is not natural

00:31:21.140 the media ought

00:31:23.260 to be a

00:31:25.640 watchdog that

00:31:26.440 they ought to

00:31:27.000 be you know

00:31:27.400 the phrase that

00:31:28.220 that back when

00:31:29.500 we had journalists

00:31:30.360 that they used to

00:31:31.080 be proud of is

00:31:32.220 is you know

00:31:34.360 shining a light

00:31:36.040 and and and

00:31:37.540 holding those in

00:31:40.540 power accountable

00:31:41.340 yeah but what is

00:31:44.540 really stunning that

00:31:45.780 we've seen through

00:31:46.600 your investigation

00:31:47.400 that we've seen

00:31:48.180 through the

00:31:48.500 twitter files is

00:31:51.060 how willing big

00:31:52.180 tech was to be

00:31:54.500 the foot soldiers

00:31:55.320 for the government

00:31:56.040 and how willing the

00:31:57.800 media was

00:31:58.580 weekly meetings

00:31:59.520 to to be the

00:32:01.120 foot soldiers for

00:32:01.980 the government

00:32:02.300 you look at the

00:32:02.840 hunter biden not

00:32:03.580 only did big tech

00:32:04.620 suppress the story

00:32:06.420 but they punished

00:32:07.180 the media and

00:32:08.460 de-platformed the

00:32:09.340 new york post so

00:32:10.360 so so it was one

00:32:11.500 after the other

00:32:12.140 after the other

00:32:12.680 the visibility

00:32:14.200 filtered anyone who

00:32:15.360 was trying to to

00:32:16.320 talk about the

00:32:17.420 story share the

00:32:18.020 story link to the

00:32:18.720 story they did

00:32:19.660 the visibility

00:32:20.420 filtering is the

00:32:21.220 fancy word big

00:32:21.860 tech uses

00:32:22.360 now is that a

00:32:24.180 normal thing for

00:32:27.440 big tech to be

00:32:28.900 acting at the

00:32:30.700 behest of the

00:32:31.320 of the federal

00:32:32.000 government silencing

00:32:32.880 people the federal

00:32:33.620 government doesn't

00:32:34.080 like yeah it's

00:32:34.940 censor uh what

00:32:35.780 what jonathan

00:32:36.660 turley uh

00:32:37.820 censorship by

00:32:38.400 surrogate is what

00:32:39.600 um professor turley

00:32:40.760 called it so there's

00:32:42.140 a template now and

00:32:42.920 it's scary because i

00:32:44.380 actually think this is

00:32:44.960 the biggest threat we

00:32:45.600 face we can recover

00:32:46.560 from the crazy border

00:32:47.700 policies the crazy

00:32:48.540 tax policies spending

00:32:49.700 policies crime policies

00:32:50.940 energy policy we can

00:32:52.180 recover from all

00:32:52.680 that but if they

00:32:53.660 if they destroy the

00:32:55.260 first amendment you

00:32:56.260 no longer have this

00:32:57.180 this amazing thing we

00:32:59.000 call america the

00:32:59.560 greatest country ever

00:33:00.380 so that's that's what

00:33:02.160 can and the template

00:33:02.840 is always you will

00:33:04.440 get it the left will

00:33:05.100 tell a lie the big

00:33:07.160 media will report the

00:33:08.200 lie big tech will 0.66

00:33:10.060 amplify the lie and

00:33:12.100 then if you try to

00:33:12.720 tell the truth they

00:33:13.620 call you a racist

00:33:14.280 they call you names

00:33:15.320 they try to cancel

00:33:15.940 you and it's like

00:33:16.900 what what that's

00:33:18.940 that's now what what's

00:33:20.000 happened to our

00:33:21.560 country and to

00:33:22.380 debate and to the

00:33:23.100 first amendment so

00:33:24.400 yeah it's it's it's

00:33:26.000 not supposed to work

00:33:26.600 that way and it's it's

00:33:27.360 why i really think what

00:33:28.640 we're trying to do

00:33:29.720 relative to the first

00:33:30.800 amendment protect it

00:33:31.800 highlight where it's

00:33:32.940 been abused um is so

00:33:35.580 important and and and

00:33:37.500 look at getting the

00:33:38.540 facts out there doing the

00:33:39.440 oversight to get the

00:33:40.020 facts out there then

00:33:41.520 looking at legislative

00:33:42.540 remedies what what's

00:33:43.560 legislation that we

00:33:44.280 could pass that would

00:33:45.040 actually help with the

00:33:45.900 situation and then

00:33:47.580 finally do we have to

00:33:49.220 look at the

00:33:49.520 appropriations process

00:33:50.560 and say some of

00:33:51.320 these agencies shouldn't

00:33:52.060 be getting the money

00:33:52.600 they're getting at least

00:33:53.680 not in the same way

00:33:54.400 they're getting it now

00:33:55.120 so talk to us about

00:33:56.300 fbi whistleblowers and

00:33:57.720 and you've had a lot of

00:33:59.020 fbi whistleblowers come to

00:34:00.720 your your committee and

00:34:02.760 by the way i'll say if

00:34:03.900 we've got fbi agents fbi

00:34:05.900 employees doj employees

00:34:08.220 who want to blow the

00:34:09.660 whistle come to jim come

00:34:11.720 to my office come you

00:34:13.760 will have the protections of

00:34:16.100 law afforded to

00:34:17.160 whistleblowers and it's 0.98

00:34:18.620 an important part of

00:34:19.380 constitutional

00:34:20.040 accountability but but

00:34:21.160 talk to us about what

00:34:22.840 you've seen from

00:34:23.720 whistleblowers and what

00:34:24.900 we can expect in the

00:34:25.940 week weeks and months

00:34:26.800 ahead we plan a hearing

00:34:28.180 next week uh that's

00:34:29.580 that's we haven't got

00:34:30.380 it officially scheduled

00:34:31.040 yet but that's what

00:34:31.500 we're looking to do we

00:34:32.120 think we're going to

00:34:32.440 have four of the

00:34:32.960 whistleblowers come 1.00

00:34:33.640 testify we've had a

00:34:35.180 couple dozen who've

00:34:36.120 talked to us uh we've

00:34:37.820 interviewed half a

00:34:38.720 dozen um and as i

00:34:41.260 mentioned i think in in

00:34:42.200 the last uh last episode

00:34:44.820 was a part one i guess

00:34:46.320 you call um many of

00:34:48.660 them been retaliated

00:34:49.340 against and it's really

00:34:50.440 sad because what does

00:34:51.480 that look like so

00:34:52.500 they take that picture

00:34:53.620 take their security

00:34:54.420 clearance you can you do

00:34:55.440 your job without that

00:34:56.400 you can't and then and

00:34:57.800 then uh without your

00:34:59.100 security clearance you're

00:35:00.080 you're pretty much can't

00:35:01.520 and some of them just

00:35:02.540 been forced to leave we

00:35:04.280 had one who was is

00:35:05.340 trying to trying to get

00:35:06.420 uh to uh to to get his

00:35:09.660 uh firearms training

00:35:10.820 records because he needs

00:35:11.860 that for another job and

00:35:13.380 they slow walked him on

00:35:14.860 that and so it's just

00:35:15.680 like it's just time and

00:35:16.980 issue after issue that

00:35:18.520 that we see with the

00:35:19.460 these these guys um in

00:35:21.920 the fbi you can't do

00:35:23.240 your job without your

00:35:24.280 security clearance you

00:35:25.060 gotta have that a lot of

00:35:25.980 people outside of

00:35:26.640 washington may not

00:35:27.200 realize that that's like

00:35:28.660 taking your driver's

00:35:29.620 license away from you

00:35:30.460 and you're a big rig

00:35:31.200 driver you can't make a

00:35:32.460 living yep yep it's

00:35:33.720 really really tough and

00:35:35.000 so uh and it's vindictive

00:35:37.620 too yeah it's trying to

00:35:39.440 crush you financially and

00:35:40.760 ruin your life it's it's

00:35:42.340 how dare you talk to

00:35:45.140 congress about what

00:35:45.920 we're doing yeah and

00:35:48.460 it's also illegal yeah

00:35:50.000 no it is you can't

00:35:51.320 retaliate against

00:35:52.020 whistleblowers it's 0.96

00:35:52.640 very clear so um and

00:35:54.520 like i said one of one

00:35:55.600 of these whistleblowers

00:35:56.300 is one who talked to

00:35:57.020 us about the the the

00:35:58.460 school board issue and

00:35:59.440 what they're what they

00:36:00.080 were trying to do to

00:36:00.660 parents uh giving us

00:36:02.360 the name of the the uh

00:36:03.960 the the education ed

00:36:06.020 officials the threat tag

00:36:07.080 label that was put on

00:36:07.920 the 20-something parents

00:36:08.860 but we put our report on

00:36:10.200 this none of these

00:36:12.020 parents were charged

00:36:12.580 with anything only one

00:36:13.880 went to a full

00:36:14.420 investigation and no

00:36:15.960 one's been charged with

00:36:16.660 anything many of these

00:36:17.900 places the the the u.s 0.91

00:36:19.540 attorney get this

00:36:20.160 memorandum they they do

00:36:21.220 a little thing and they

00:36:21.780 like this is baloney this 0.98

00:36:23.060 is ridiculous why are we 0.99

00:36:24.160 doing this it was all 0.65

00:36:25.440 done for politics because

00:36:26.740 they thought it was going

00:36:27.600 to help uh terry mccauliffe

00:36:29.240 be the next governor of

00:36:30.080 virginia and it turned

00:36:31.240 out it backfired on them

00:36:32.180 and helped glenn

00:36:32.680 youngkin win yeah because

00:36:34.580 you start telling moms and

00:36:35.660 dads we think remember

00:36:36.740 glenn youngkin or excuse

00:36:37.660 me when terry mccauliffe

00:36:38.360 said we don't think

00:36:39.160 parents should be telling 0.88

00:36:39.780 schools what to teach

00:36:40.560 yeah and a bunch of

00:36:41.420 moms said i don't i think

00:36:43.220 we should yeah by the

00:36:44.260 way i know my kid's name

00:36:45.200 you don't know the kid's

00:36:45.940 name i think i should be

00:36:46.740 involved sure so that

00:36:48.240 issue um so this is when

00:36:50.100 the whistleblowers came

00:36:50.740 to on the catholic memo

00:36:51.900 that's one of them whistleblower

00:36:53.680 came forward um so i'll

00:36:55.740 tell you there was another

00:36:56.480 fbi memo which we've

00:36:57.840 talked about the senate

00:36:58.520 judiciary committee where

00:37:00.180 they identified signs of

00:37:01.720 extremism and they had

00:37:02.980 all sorts of things

00:37:03.740 including the gatson flag

00:37:05.100 oh yeah from the

00:37:05.840 revolutionary wartime

00:37:06.900 that's right but but

00:37:08.040 they also also had the

00:37:10.840 come and take it flag from

00:37:11.940 texas which which uh i

00:37:15.040 well your boots are

00:37:15.800 terrorist boots because

00:37:16.620 they have that flag so i

00:37:18.740 wear those boots just

00:37:20.020 about every day in the

00:37:20.960 senate that that has the

00:37:22.140 come and take it flag on

00:37:23.120 the back and and as you

00:37:24.780 know i pulled the boot

00:37:25.660 off and slammed it on the

00:37:26.780 on the bench and said look

00:37:27.940 let me self-report right

00:37:29.040 now i'm wearing two of

00:37:30.600 these symbols you might want

00:37:32.400 oxes off right now just

00:37:33.920 say you're not touching

00:37:35.480 my boots stay away from 0.99

00:37:36.620 my damn boots i just got 0.99

00:37:39.320 them for charity so i 0.99

00:37:40.360 haven't had them for six

00:37:41.480 months i just had them

00:37:42.160 resold so they're lucasie

00:37:43.680 they're beautiful they're

00:37:44.940 even better now lucasie

00:37:46.300 factory in el paso i had

00:37:48.120 worn holes in them so i

00:37:49.860 had to send them to the

00:37:50.420 factory it takes like five

00:37:51.360 months to resole them they

00:37:52.320 come back as brand new

00:37:53.100 boots that's cool they do

00:37:54.320 a really nice job that's

00:37:55.720 awesome i want to ask you

00:37:56.900 one last question and that

00:37:59.140 deals with the issue i think

00:38:01.200 of there's fatigue with

00:38:03.880 a lot of americans now

00:38:04.920 they hear you're doing

00:38:06.140 investigations they

00:38:07.760 listen to part one and if

00:38:09.240 you missed it go back and

00:38:10.160 listen to it yeah they

00:38:11.480 listen to part two yeah

00:38:13.080 and they go i'm mad as

00:38:14.580 hell i'm frustrated with

00:38:16.440 my government what does

00:38:18.240 success look like and i'm

00:38:19.920 talking about from

00:38:20.340 accountability standpoint

00:38:21.340 from your investigations

00:38:22.900 because they don't feel

00:38:24.600 like there's accountability

00:38:25.540 they feel like the deck is

00:38:27.720 stacked against us now they

00:38:29.240 feel like we're always

00:38:30.360 losing and i say this

00:38:31.700 because i i have

00:38:32.440 listeners i talk to

00:38:33.200 every day they are sick

00:38:34.920 and tired of feeling like

00:38:36.360 there's two systems of

00:38:37.480 justice yeah and that

00:38:38.680 there is two there's a

00:38:39.780 double standard and they

00:38:41.280 feel like we never win and

00:38:43.000 and their definition of

00:38:43.820 winning i want to be clear

00:38:44.680 is it is something they

00:38:46.260 they almost step over

00:38:47.760 themselves over and over

00:38:48.920 again trying to explain

00:38:49.780 this to me they say ben i

00:38:50.960 want you to understand i'm

00:38:52.020 not wanting to put people in

00:38:53.380 jail because they're on the

00:38:54.160 other side of the aisle i

00:38:55.200 just want there to be

00:38:56.220 accountability for people

00:38:57.380 when you do break laws yeah

00:38:58.900 and when they see the

00:38:59.860 biden crime family they

00:39:00.960 see what's going on they

00:39:02.200 see what's happening the

00:39:03.220 fbi and the doj and this

00:39:04.900 letter they just want to

00:39:06.480 know they live in a world

00:39:07.480 where there is laws that

00:39:09.600 matter yeah there is right

00:39:12.060 and wrong and what does

00:39:15.420 success look like for you

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00:40:22.040 it's fatiguing yeah no it

00:40:24.880 is uh step one stopping any

00:40:27.520 bad behaviors getting the

00:40:28.460 facts on the table we're

00:40:29.340 committed to doing that as

00:40:30.220 part of our constitutional

00:40:31.000 duty when we when we do

00:40:32.200 oversight success in the end

00:40:33.940 is if we can if we can do it

00:40:36.500 in a way that protects the

00:40:37.520 first we're going to pass

00:40:38.320 some legislation out of the

00:40:39.260 house be tough to get to

00:40:40.240 the senate uh with the

00:40:41.660 with the democrats in

00:40:42.480 control uh we're going to

00:40:43.940 look in the appropriations

00:40:44.820 process those are all things

00:40:45.900 we got to do but in the end

00:40:47.420 if we can if we can get

00:40:48.560 respect back in this country

00:40:49.820 for the first amendment and

00:40:51.340 stop the censorship that's

00:40:52.720 going on i tell folks i was

00:40:54.440 talking earlier today to a

00:40:55.440 group you think about the

00:40:58.200 last couple years every

00:40:59.300 right we enjoy under the

00:41:00.500 first amendment has been

00:41:01.360 assaulted yep right to

00:41:02.740 practice your faith right to

00:41:03.660 assemble petition to

00:41:04.480 government press speech

00:41:05.420 everyone's been assaulted

00:41:06.420 there's there were places

00:41:07.740 during covid where democrat

00:41:09.400 governors and democrat

00:41:10.560 mayors wouldn't let people

00:41:12.100 americans go to church on 0.64

00:41:13.320 sunday i spoke to now you

00:41:15.080 could go to an antifa riot

00:41:16.140 or black lives matter right 0.99

00:41:17.500 yeah bash windows in every 0.99

00:41:19.400 major urban area around this

00:41:20.360 country um with your right

00:41:22.460 to assemble i spoke to the

00:41:23.800 new mexico i think i've

00:41:25.040 told you this center the

00:41:26.020 new mexico republican party

00:41:27.480 in amarillo texas because

00:41:30.340 they had to go to texas to

00:41:31.800 get the freedom to us so

00:41:32.820 there's two years ago the

00:41:34.100 freedom to assemble because 0.95

00:41:35.080 a crazy democrat governor 0.97

00:41:36.100 wouldn't let them assemble 0.98

00:41:36.840 in their own state and you

00:41:38.140 just go right to but the

00:41:39.060 most important liberty we

00:41:40.200 have they should have

00:41:40.860 named it an antifa route

00:41:42.140 and they could have had it

00:41:43.400 the the most important right

00:41:45.340 we have i've said that

00:41:46.680 every church service should

00:41:47.600 have just called themselves a

00:41:48.840 protest against the devil

00:41:49.800 yeah there we go

00:41:50.920 um but your right to speak

00:41:53.360 is the most important

00:41:54.100 you can't talk you can't

00:41:55.440 practice your faith you can't

00:41:56.320 share your faith you don't

00:41:57.020 have the freedom of press

00:41:57.800 freedom to petition freedom

00:41:58.860 to assemble you just don't

00:41:59.680 have it and that's what

00:42:01.140 they're coming after and

00:42:01.860 that's what we got to

00:42:02.400 defend and if we can

00:42:03.060 protect that that'll be a

00:42:04.540 good well and and tell

00:42:05.620 folks about your

00:42:06.660 investigation into the

00:42:09.080 corrupt prosecution of

00:42:11.200 alvin bragg targeting

00:42:12.520 donald trump because when

00:42:13.540 you talk about weaponization

00:42:15.660 we've talked at length in this

00:42:17.060 podcast yeah how utterly

00:42:18.940 frivolous this case is but

00:42:20.320 you've engaged very closely

00:42:21.820 on it so tell tell us what

00:42:22.940 you're doing on that alvin

00:42:24.100 bragg used federal tax

00:42:26.380 dollars to indict a former

00:42:28.160 president for no crime and

00:42:30.700 then when we wanted to talk

00:42:31.940 to one of the da's who worked

00:42:33.380 for him who had left over a

00:42:35.620 year ago and wrote a book

00:42:37.160 solely on this subject he took

00:42:39.540 us to court and the federal

00:42:41.100 judge just uh the court just

00:42:42.540 gave us a decision a couple

00:42:43.560 weeks ago it says you're wrong

00:42:45.180 mr bragg the judiciary committee

00:42:47.060 gets to have a deposition with

00:42:48.420 mr pomerantz he'll be coming

00:42:50.000 in this friday for and what

00:42:51.820 does he say in his book he

00:42:53.480 says oh he talks about it's

00:42:55.060 really interesting because you

00:42:57.560 talk about the old line uh show

00:42:58.940 me the man i'll find you the

00:42:59.780 crime they have like 20

00:43:02.780 different things they were

00:43:03.580 looking at president trump they

00:43:04.800 looked at the 40 wall street

00:43:06.160 property the seven springs

00:43:07.360 resort the jupiter golf course

00:43:09.440 his tax returns his apartment

00:43:11.520 that he that he is that he lived

00:43:13.420 in on the top of trump tower his

00:43:15.180 his financial statements his his

00:43:17.160 all his uh uh stuff with

00:43:18.560 mazars they looked at his kids

00:43:19.760 i mean you just go down the

00:43:20.720 list and then of course they

00:43:21.980 looked at the the stormy daniels

00:43:24.960 issue like i mean i'm

00:43:26.780 forgetting some it's crazy all

00:43:28.760 the things they looked at to try

00:43:30.440 to try to get this guy but we're

00:43:32.720 going to ask him about um we're

00:43:34.420 going to ask about things he said

00:43:35.180 in the book you know some of the

00:43:36.260 some of the things in in there um

00:43:38.720 you know in a lot of ways it's

00:43:40.260 amazing you do that kind of deep

00:43:42.060 dive almost anyone if you have a

00:43:44.860 team of prosecutors combing

00:43:46.100 through everything you've ever

00:43:46.940 filed with the irs my guess is

00:43:49.040 most people can find something

00:43:50.340 something and especially a

00:43:52.860 billionaire real estate

00:43:54.360 developer if you brought a

00:43:56.220 hundred billionaire real estate

00:43:57.440 developers went through all their

00:43:58.720 taxes i'd be surprised if you

00:44:01.060 could find one you couldn't indict

00:44:03.040 for something they looked at him

00:44:05.300 uh they were looking at when he

00:44:06.720 bought the post office here and

00:44:07.920 turn it into the the hotel here

00:44:10.320 in dc i mean just on it was it

00:44:14.040 was ridiculous so um yeah that

00:44:16.120 that is happening but um again i 0.86

00:44:18.840 think it just shows you know the

00:44:20.180 da in manhattan i think the da in

00:44:21.880 george is gonna have another crazy

00:44:23.560 case and by the way alvin bragg is

00:44:25.220 a soros da george soros spent over a

00:44:27.400 million bucks to get him elected this

00:44:28.940 is this goes back to weaponization

00:44:30.600 you want to talk about the power of

00:44:32.820 putting your guy in control of law

00:44:35.980 enforcement whether they're

00:44:38.120 targeting donald trump or targeting

00:44:40.100 you as a mom or dad it's the same

00:44:42.000 principle which is we will use the

00:44:44.020 government to crush our enemies i

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - May 12, 2023

Deep Dive into Hunter Biden & the Weaponization of the Federal Government： Part 2 with Jim Jordan

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