Verdict with Ted Cruz - Dr. Phil Joins in an Exclusive One-on-One： Parenting, Big Tech, Truth & Meritocracy (Part ONE)

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00:01:54.000 about family, and we have a very special guest.

00:01:57.380 It's Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz.

00:02:00.380 Senator, nice to be with you as always.

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00:02:11.420 And something else that's really fun is our guest that we have with us.

00:02:15.560 Go ahead, and I'll let you do the intro on that one.

00:02:17.460 Well, we are incredibly proud to welcome to Verdict a guest and a friend and someone

00:02:23.000 who's a household name, someone who has been in the living rooms of America for three decades

00:02:30.120 now.

00:02:31.340 We're proud to welcome Dr. Phil McGraw, Dr. Phil.

00:02:35.340 Dr. Phil, as you guys know, has had for 21 years an incredible TV show.

00:02:43.080 For 10 years in a row, he's been the number one rated daytime host in America, and he's

00:02:49.900 speaking every day to people across this country.

00:02:53.660 Before he was on TV, he's a psychologist who had a business helping win lawsuits, and he

00:03:01.640 would conduct mock trials and analyze the arguments that worked and the arguments that

00:03:07.300 didn't work, and he was actually the inspiration for the TV show Bull that was based on him

00:03:13.800 helping figure out how to win big cases.

00:03:16.780 And he ended up, one of his clients was another household name, Oprah Winfrey.

00:03:22.000 Not a bad client.

00:03:23.040 Who hired him because she had a huge case.

00:03:26.160 And she was so impressed by what he did that he began to be a regular on her show.

00:03:31.220 And then he spun off to his own show, and as I said, for a decade, he's been the number

00:03:35.060 one rated host, daytime host in the country.

00:03:37.460 He's been nominated for 31 Emmys.

00:03:40.920 He's got a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

00:03:43.860 He's written nine books, all nine of which have been New York Times number one bestsellers.

00:03:48.140 He is a voice that a lot of people listen to, and I'm incredibly grateful that he's joined

00:03:56.860 us tonight.

00:03:58.040 Phil, welcome.

00:03:59.060 Well, thank you for having me.

00:04:00.780 You know, one of the questions I get asked the most is, what's the secret to being a number

00:04:04.820 one in that kind of genre?

00:04:08.260 And the answer is very simple.

00:04:11.680 Oprah retired.

00:04:14.440 That's what it was.

00:04:15.340 It was number two forever, and then she retired.

00:04:17.480 That's the secret.

00:04:18.860 Nothing to it other than that.

00:04:20.160 Easy.

00:04:20.920 Yeah, get the leader to quit.

00:04:22.540 I just wondered if you got bored being one at everything all the time.

00:04:25.480 Like, what do you do next, right?

00:04:27.200 Well, what I do next is probably the most exciting thing I've ever done, because I'm getting ready

00:04:32.960 to do something now.

00:04:34.820 And I think back to when we launched Dr. Phil, and I was really, really excited to do that.

00:04:44.120 I'm very proud of everything that we've done over these last 21 seasons.

00:04:50.500 And I think back to when I was looking at some clips just the other day of that very

00:04:57.440 first show.

00:04:59.520 And strangely enough, I look pretty much the same.

00:05:04.800 I've been bald since I was 12.

00:05:07.560 So all you got to do is just keep the same tie, put a little color in your hair, and you

00:05:12.880 look the same.

00:05:14.680 But I remember the first interview I had when we were putting together a sales tape for that

00:05:20.200 show, Roger King, who was aptly named, because he was the king of syndication.

00:05:25.200 And the first time I was in front of a camera to talk about that show, he said, what's this

00:05:30.900 going to be about?

00:05:31.720 Tell people what it's going to be about.

00:05:34.000 And I said, we're going to talk about things that matter to people who care.

00:05:40.420 And that's a simple statement, but if you unpack it for a little bit, it says a lot.

00:05:46.920 You're going to talk about things that matter to the people that care about those things.

00:05:52.920 And across 21 years, those things that matter have really changed.

00:05:59.680 Because when I started, Dr. Phil, in the beginning, the first text message had never been sent.

00:06:07.360 There were no smartphones, which meant there was no cyberbullying.

00:06:13.660 There were no predators online, because there was no online.

00:06:17.880 So as the world changed, then I had to change with it, because we let the viewers determine

00:06:26.020 what we do.

00:06:27.340 So what sort of things 20 years ago were people worried and concerned about?

00:06:31.940 What were they afraid of?

00:06:33.220 And what are they worried and concerned about now?

00:06:35.240 Well, there are some commonalities still.

00:06:39.220 Because people were really looking for common sense, really data-based, empirical information

00:06:51.080 they could use every day in their lives to improve their marriage, their family, their

00:06:56.780 parenting, just their quality of life.

00:07:01.440 And I've always said, I know a lot of 75-cent words.

00:07:04.780 I just try not to use them.

00:07:06.140 I try to explain things in common sense, usable terms, and I try to put verbs in my sentences

00:07:13.480 so people say, okay, if I do this, then I'll get that.

00:07:17.360 If I do this, I'll get that.

00:07:19.100 And when you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences.

00:07:21.960 It's just that simple.

00:07:23.640 That's the way it's supposed to be.

00:07:26.340 And those things people are still interested in.

00:07:29.340 But, you know, Senator, I've heard a shift in people's concerns of late that have really

00:07:39.200 impacted me.

00:07:40.220 Because I've started to hear, in addition to those things, other questions.

00:07:45.360 People saying, you know, we have a...

00:07:49.000 You talked about the fact that I worked with juries a lot.

00:07:51.820 And I did.

00:07:53.080 And I always looked at a jury and said, there are at least 13 personalities in that 12-person

00:08:00.820 jury box.

00:08:01.840 You got 12 individuals, and then you've got a collective personality over there as well.

00:08:06.780 And the same thing is true in our communities.

00:08:09.620 We heard our very gracious host to this dinner tonight talk about things in Illinois.

00:08:16.600 There's a collective personality in those communities in Illinois.

00:08:19.880 It's very different than the collective personalities in certain other communities.

00:08:25.240 And people are writing in saying, yeah, I've always been concerned about my kids at school.

00:08:31.840 Are they learning?

00:08:34.120 Are they getting along?

00:08:35.720 Are they being accepted?

00:08:36.800 Are they being bullied?

00:08:37.620 And now they're saying, I'm concerned about what they're being talked to about, what they're

00:08:45.880 being taught.

00:08:48.760 And I look at some of these things that are coming up.

00:08:54.260 I look at what's being taught in the universities right now.

00:08:57.900 And I'll get into more detail about that.

00:09:00.820 But I'm hearing people ask questions about social issues.

00:09:07.040 We've got social media platforms where kids can order drugs, have them delivered to their

00:09:16.340 house like Postmates or something.

00:09:20.580 And 100% of those pills are counterfeit.

00:09:25.460 And 40% of them have lethal, fatal doses of fentanyl laced within them.

00:09:33.240 And it seems like nobody's doing anything to curb that at these media platform companies.

00:09:42.780 And I'm very concerned about those sort of things.

00:09:44.960 When you bring that up, do you get pushback from those companies when you say, hey,

00:09:50.220 what are you guys doing?

00:09:52.000 Do you worry about that they're not either listening or they're complicit in it?

00:09:55.980 I get double talk.

00:09:57.740 I get pushback in the terms of double talk.

00:09:59.800 Well, we have this policy about this.

00:10:01.580 We have this policy about that.

00:10:03.480 And look, there's two sides to every coin.

00:10:06.180 There are challenges to that.

00:10:08.460 There are difficulties because they'll delete an account and it pops back up in another name

00:10:14.760 the next day.

00:10:15.540 And then there are challenges.

00:10:17.240 But more can be done.

00:10:19.600 More needs to be done.

00:10:21.700 And I am concerned.

00:10:23.980 The reason that I am changing what I'm doing.

00:10:28.040 And look, I've had 21 years.

00:10:31.200 I've had the longest running show in the history of the Paramount studios.

00:10:35.880 Wow.

00:10:35.980 And they've been there for over 100 years, had the longest running show in the history

00:10:40.820 of the lot.

00:10:41.820 And I've been in partnership with CBS and they've been wonderful partners.

00:10:45.960 And Paramount has been great.

00:10:47.580 We talk a lot on this podcast about how the corporate media right now is broken, that they're

00:10:52.520 not reporting news, that they are propagandists and they are advocating a point of view.

00:10:58.920 There's a lot you said there that I want us to get into.

00:11:01.520 But one of the things that stood out to me is you're talking about kids and the pressures

00:11:06.620 on our kids.

00:11:07.500 Ben has young children.

00:11:09.460 I've got two teenage daughters.

00:11:11.220 You have young grandchildren.

00:11:12.500 And I've got to say, from the perspective of parents and grandparents, the pressures that

00:11:19.180 are on our kids right now are qualitatively different from what we experience.

00:11:25.420 And 24-7, they can't get away from the bat.

00:11:27.480 I mean, they're just assaulted online with social media.

00:11:31.760 They're confronted with themes and messaging and influence that is deliberately poisoning them.

00:11:40.100 And how do you, what about that worries you and what should parents be doing about that?

00:11:48.740 Well, a lot about it worries me because it's not just that there's competing information

00:11:56.480 out there.

00:11:58.220 Our children today, and if I sound like a conspiracy nut, let me tell you, I'm not a conspiracy

00:12:06.120 nut, and I ask anybody that's listening to my voice right now, you said I've written nine

00:12:13.260 books.

00:12:14.300 That's true.

00:12:15.620 And after I wrote the last one, I told Robin, I'm not writing a tenth one until I write an

00:12:24.080 autobiography.

00:12:25.380 And I'll be so old that I won't know what it says.

00:12:29.180 One of the things I talk about is the fact that our children aren't just being exposed,

00:12:35.000 they're being targeted.

00:12:37.740 And when I say targeted, I wrote a book in, I think, 2004 called Family First.

00:12:46.460 And at that time, I said the family in America is under attack.

00:12:53.500 That families in America are under attack.

00:12:55.440 The family unit, the family values, everything that families stand for in America are under

00:13:01.240 attack.

00:13:01.720 This was 20 years ago.

00:13:04.440 Let me tell you, it is so much worse now than it was then.

00:13:11.400 And when I say they're under attack, one of the ways is what's happening on the internet,

00:13:17.340 what's happening on these social media platforms.

00:13:19.800 People don't understand algorithms, including me.

00:13:22.780 But I got myself in touch with experts that do understand this.

00:13:28.120 And good example of what I'm talking about.

00:13:31.280 Research was done where they put together some accounts, put a girl's name on it, 14 years

00:13:38.820 old, just her name, 14 years old, opened this account.

00:13:43.620 And within a matter of a few hours, she started getting targeted with toxic information.

00:13:50.740 By that, I mean information that led her to eating disorder sites, suicidality sites, different

00:13:59.620 kinds of things that were really unhealthy.

00:14:02.080 They said, whoa, that's really shocking.

00:14:05.380 And so they said, well, let's push this a little further.

00:14:08.740 They opened another account with a name and just added a few words that said weight loss.

00:14:16.320 The amount of toxic feed that went to her, content that went to her, went up multiplicatively

00:14:25.280 within the first few hours.

00:14:27.000 The algorithm picked up those words.

00:14:31.040 And what they do is they feed you what you will click on.

00:14:35.240 So it was like, hey, 10 times more toxic information.

00:14:39.880 They're being targeted with what they will click on, full well knowing that it creates

00:14:47.240 anxiety, depression, loneliness, confusion, self-hatred.

00:14:52.660 And if you want to create chaos in a society, where do you start?

00:14:57.120 You attack the children.

00:14:58.560 If you get them to hate themselves, question who they are, what they are, what's that going

00:15:04.820 to do to the next generation and the next generation?

00:15:07.260 And right now we have the highest levels of anxiety, depression, loneliness among our

00:15:12.920 young people than since we started keeping records.

00:15:17.080 How much is that due to the breakdown of the family?

00:15:20.200 You look at, I was talking to a teacher the other day that said they had their parent-teacher

00:15:24.840 conference.

00:15:26.260 Not a single father for the third year in a row showed up in the public school to meet

00:15:31.820 the teacher night.

00:15:33.100 Not a single dad.

00:15:33.880 And they said, the problem is now you have so many fathers that abandon being a father

00:15:38.980 and the government's become the father.

00:15:41.180 The bills are being paid by the government.

00:15:43.600 The mom is there and saying, I'm doing the best I can.

00:15:46.400 But then the family, as you mentioned, are attacked.

00:15:49.700 But these kids are growing up without two-parent households.

00:15:52.440 How damaging is that to society today?

00:15:54.880 Well, I believe it's very damaging to society.

00:15:56.820 And, you know, call me old-fashioned, but I believe the role of a man in the family is to

00:16:00.000 be a teacher, a leader, a protector, there are these roles that the man in the family

00:16:05.820 is to fulfill.

00:16:07.780 And if that's not being done, that needs to change.

00:16:10.800 And where does it start?

00:16:12.440 You clean your own house first.

00:16:14.780 And, you know, we talked about the fact that there's an absence of role models.

00:16:20.940 And in the absence of those role models, I tell people all the time, you're not, in the

00:16:27.040 best of circumstances, you are not going to be the only voice in your child's ear.

00:16:32.600 You better make damn sure you're the best voice in your child's ear.

00:16:37.520 The best voice.

00:16:38.940 The one that comes from love and care and concern and frequency, repetition.

00:16:45.180 And know who they're talking to, know who they're listening to, know who, people ask

00:16:52.040 me all the time, how much confidentiality do I owe my child on the internet?

00:16:58.660 Zero.

00:17:00.060 It's your job to know who your child is talking to on the internet.

00:17:03.300 It's your job to know who's talking to your child on the internet.

00:17:06.920 That's your job.

00:17:08.420 They're minors.

00:17:10.100 They can't see around corners.

00:17:11.680 Their brains won't be finished growing until they're 25, 26, 30 years old.

00:17:17.140 And the last part that grows is the neocortex.

00:17:19.860 And that's where they get foresight, the ability to predict the consequences of their actions.

00:17:24.380 It's your job to see around the corners.

00:17:26.200 For what it's worth, there are a lot of members of Congress that still haven't grown that.

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00:19:33.740 So what truth can't we talk about right now on the existing avenues of communication?

00:19:40.800 What is the truth that we're not allowed to get into?

00:19:43.460 Well, you pick it.

00:19:47.580 Whether you're talking about science, history, biology, you pick it.

00:19:58.500 What's happening right now, in my opinion, is the narrative in America is being hijacked.

00:20:05.280 And it's being hijacked by the fringe.

00:20:10.460 It's not even, it's not like the left versus the right.

00:20:14.180 It's the fringe.

00:20:15.980 And I call it the tyranny of the fringe.

00:20:19.300 Because what's happening is you have these entities, these factions in the fringe

00:20:25.820 that are using emotional extortion.

00:20:31.980 And if they have a self-referential agenda, whether it's about the meritocracy in America,

00:20:41.680 whether it's about toxic masculinity, whether it's about transgenderism,

00:20:46.580 whether it's about our history in America, with regard to slavery, or whatever you choose,

00:20:55.640 there are these factions that are taking extreme positions.

00:21:01.520 And if you don't fall in line, then that's where cancel culture comes in.

00:21:08.580 And you get attacked, and you get attacked on the internet to the point that they'll contact your job,

00:21:17.800 they'll contact your church, they'll contact your friends.

00:21:21.420 And there's something that I know a lot of people listening read 1984.

00:21:32.100 Yep.

00:21:32.240 Which, by the way, was written in 1948 by Orwell.

00:21:37.100 How prophetic was he in writing this?

00:21:40.600 And he talked about how people would be unpersoned.

00:21:46.040 We call it cancel culture.

00:21:47.800 But they call it in person, where they would just delete that person.

00:21:52.000 They would just take away everything from them.

00:21:54.560 And that's what happens in cancel culture.

00:21:57.360 You take away people's livelihood.

00:21:59.820 You take away their support system.

00:22:01.560 You take away their friends.

00:22:03.060 And I'm not saying there aren't people in this society that have done terrible and egregious things

00:22:11.020 that don't deserve to play in the game.

00:22:14.780 But there are also a lot of people that get swept up into not buying into the rhetoric.

00:22:22.020 And if you don't, then this, what I believe to be a tiny percent of fringe tyrants that attack and single those people out,

00:22:39.320 cut them out of the herd, single them out, and try to unperson them, just eliminate them.

00:22:45.120 We don't need a cancel culture. 0.98

00:22:46.440 We need a cancel culture. 0.99

00:22:48.480 What happened if somebody says something they shouldn't say, use a word they shouldn't say?

00:22:53.880 I did a couple of shows last season called You Can't Say That.

00:22:58.020 I got 57 feet of laser screen, seven and a half feet high, and filled them with words you can't use.

00:23:06.340 That you could have used 20 years ago, probably.

00:23:07.980 Yeah, and that's something referred to as presentism, where you take the mores and folkways of today

00:23:16.260 and apply them to the mores and folkways of 100 years ago and hold them to a standard.

00:23:26.140 And what it's like is, say there's a speed limit in a neighborhood that's 20,

00:23:31.220 and you drive through there at 20 day after day after day.

00:23:35.380 Then they come in and decide, well, we're going to make it 10.

00:23:38.820 And so they come and give you a ticket for 10 over.

00:23:43.420 And you say, well, wait a minute.

00:23:44.380 It was 20 when I did 20.

00:23:45.960 You say, well, yeah, I know, but we changed it to 10.

00:23:47.820 You should have foreseen that it was going to be 10 and driven 10, so we're giving you a ticket.

00:23:54.960 That's what's happening to a lot of people today.

00:23:57.140 That 100 years ago, 200 years ago, they behaved in a way that was acceptable then, but it isn't now.

00:24:04.900 And so they're judged by the standards of today for what was acceptable then.

00:24:08.880 Well, and that leads, of course, to people trying to cancel our founding fathers,

00:24:13.380 trying to pull George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln off of buildings and statues

00:24:20.980 and trying to conclude that everyone who founded America fails by modern sensibilities.

00:24:29.920 And I've got to say one of the things that I really respect is I think you have shown a lot of courage on your show

00:24:36.940 having people who dare challenge some of these shibboleths,

00:24:42.860 who dare challenge the extreme transgender ideology.

00:24:47.800 You've had guests who make radical arguments like women actually exist, 0.68

00:24:53.980 which from the dawn of human time didn't used to be a radical argument until about 12 minutes ago.

00:25:00.900 Yeah, it's interesting that the biggest criticism I've got that I have received

00:25:08.420 is giving multiple sides of an argument an opportunity to have an intelligent conversation.

00:25:15.560 And what I've had from certain sides is they say,

00:25:21.240 listen, thank you for having me on.

00:25:23.600 You really do your homework, and you treated me with dignity and respect,

00:25:28.260 and we had an intelligent conversation.

00:25:30.600 I just don't understand why you let those people come here and talk.

00:25:35.780 And I say, well, I'm sorry, but they're going to have an opportunity to say what they have to say.

00:25:43.840 Well, and you talked before about meritocracy.

00:25:46.480 I know you care a lot about that.

00:25:47.820 What are your thoughts on meritocracy?

00:25:49.920 Well, I believe that this is a great country.

00:25:55.820 Amen.

00:25:56.320 I'm very clear about that.

00:25:58.480 I love this country.

00:26:00.060 I love America.

00:26:00.940 I stand up for the national anthem.

00:26:02.940 I put my hand over my heart for the flag.

00:26:05.540 I really do.

00:26:06.620 I think this is a great country.

00:26:07.760 Is it perfect?

00:26:08.440 Of course it's not perfect.

00:26:11.200 But I love this country enough to be able to acknowledge its flaws and fallacies

00:26:15.820 and not be defensive about it.

00:26:18.920 Is it perfect?

00:26:19.800 No.

00:26:20.200 Does everybody start in the same place in this country?

00:26:23.360 No, they don't.

00:26:25.360 And should we do everything we can to give those that are less advantaged than others

00:26:30.900 a better running start?

00:26:33.380 Absolutely we should.

00:26:34.920 But I have these people talking about they want a quality of outcome.

00:26:41.900 They don't even want a quality of opportunity.

00:26:46.100 They want a quality of outcome.

00:26:49.080 That doesn't work for me.

00:26:51.880 I think this is a country that you work hard and you create your own experience.

00:27:01.340 You create opportunities.

00:27:02.780 And I think right now we're courting a victim mentality in this country.

00:27:10.240 And I see it all the way to the college level.

00:27:13.840 You see professors now that are teaching men, young men that are coming to college,

00:27:22.300 that being ambitious, having entrepreneurial ideas, setting goals, getting out there,

00:27:30.040 and doing the things that give you an opportunity to get ahead and provide for your family,

00:27:38.180 that that's all gauche.

00:27:39.760 That you just, that's not what you should be doing.

00:27:43.000 That you should be trying to bring everybody along.

00:27:45.540 That seems awfully hypocritical to me that you're charging ridiculous fees for these elite universities to get the edge.

00:27:54.660 And then you get in there and they say, oh, no, you don't need an edge because everybody needs to come out the same.

00:27:58.840 Which is it?

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 01, 2023

Dr. Phil Joins in an Exclusive One-on-One： Parenting, Big Tech, Truth & Meritocracy (Part ONE)

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