Dr. Phil One-on-One: Covid Science, Kids & Social Media and What Women Want (Part Two)
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In Part 2 of Dr. Phil's conversation with Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., we discuss how the lack of a work ethic is hurting families and families across the country, and how we can fix it.
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Dr. Phil, part two, nice to have you with us today as well as we're talking about America, American families, and everything that's going on in this country.
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Plus, we're going to get into a very important issue, and that is the issue of COVID and what impact it had on the families in this country.
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Well, and I've got to say, this has been fascinating.
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We've covered a lot of topics that VERDICT typically doesn't get into.
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We've covered the mental health challenges facing our kids.
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And we've talked about the desperate need for truth.
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And I will say, if you didn't listen to part one, go back and listen to part one because you're not going to want to miss the discussion from Dr. Phil unplugged in a way you may not have seen him before, but saying things that need to be said and demonstrating an enormous amount of courage.
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As parents, you want to raise your kids to love the Lord.
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But we're being undermined, parents are being undermined with work ethic.
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We're a double-income society, and you have both parents working so much that they're just really burning the candle at both ends.
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And some of those fundamentals really aren't being focused on.
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The senator and I were talking earlier, you and I are so aligned and focused because I said meritocracy is so important to me.
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If we lose that, and right now, we've got a government that wants to give everything to everybody for free.
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And we're teaching people that you don't have to work hard for what you want.
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If people spend month after month after month not full-time working, they're off work, like during the pandemic, the chance of them coming back.
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Everybody thought when the pandemic was over, it was going to look like that scene in the movie Grease at the end of the school year where those doors flung open.
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And it was a carnival, and everybody comes running out, and it wasn't that way at all.
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Things they used to take for granted were now intimidating.
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And when you don't hold people to a standard, then I've spent a lot of time in rehab, and I'm not talking about drug rehab.
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I'm talking about rehabilitating people with brain injuries and spinal cord injuries.
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And if it takes someone that has had that kind of injury, and they need to turn the light on, and it takes them three minutes to get over there to do it, or you could walk over and do it for them,
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you need to require them to do 100% of what they're able to do, or they'll never get to the next level.
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And so you asked me, how do we get them to do that?
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By requiring them to do everything they can do every chance we get to do it.
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And right now, almost a third of fifth and eighth graders can't read at the most fundamental level.
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And the question is, how did they get in the fifth grade?
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Nineteen percent of high school graduates can't read.
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How do you graduate high school if you can't read?
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In the first, second, and third grade, you learn to read.
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So if you don't learn to read in those first three grades, you don't have that tool to learn the rest of your life.
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And if teachers are going to pass them either way, then you're just setting them up to fail.
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You know, one of the things you mentioned in that answer is you talked about coming out of COVID.
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And I'd be interested in your judgment on what was the damage that was done from a mental health perspective, from the shutdowns we had across the country, and what was the damage in particular to kids from tens of millions of kids across this country had their schools shut down for a year or more?
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And what do you see as the consequences of those policies?
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When they shut down this country in the schools at the beginning of COVID and said this is going to be for a couple of weeks, I said, I get it.
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When it turned into a month or two months, I went public and said, what you're doing is going to create more damage and more loss of life than the virus itself.
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So you saw it before a lot of people didn't?
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Well, I actually said it and got called a complete idiot.
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I got called a complete, I got attacked from every possible way you can.
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And I said it, I think I've got 15 clips of different times that I said, shutting this country down and taking our kids out of school for a prolonged period of time.
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And the epidemiological pediatricians estimate that it will cost somewhere around 15 million years of life lost.
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And they figure that because you got roughly 50 million kids in public school plus the private schools.
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And because of what they lost, they will never close that gap.
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And with lesser educational achievement, they will get lesser jobs.
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Lesser jobs are usually higher risk jobs because they're blue collar and they're working with machinery.
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And construction and construction and things where they get injured.
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They have poor health coverage, which means they get slower diagnosis and lesser care.
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And so it obtains with years of life shaved off the end of their lives.
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And what gets me is they did this, the same agencies that advocated for this are the same agencies that had the records that said,
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we have the highest levels of anxiety, depression and loneliness among our children than we've had since records were being kept.
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So let's shut down the schools, which we know are essential to their development.
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And that doesn't even take into account that mandated reporters are in these schools who report child abuse and molestation and referrals to the Department of Child and Family Services dropped in some areas 50 to 60 percent.
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And trust me, abuse and molestation did not drop 50 to 60 percent.
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We simply rendered those children alone with their abusers for two years without eyes on them to report it to people that could help them.
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And so many of these children relied on those schools for at least one, if not two meals per day.
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We took that away and some say, well, but they delivered those meals.
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We abandoned the abused and molested children to their abusers and molesters, and nobody has done anything to close the gap.
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You know, I'll actually say today is an interesting milestone.
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Today is the 66th anniversary of the day that my father came to the United States of America.
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So 66 years ago, in 1957, my dad landed in America, and he was fleeing Cuba.
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He came here with $100 in his underwear, and he washed dishes.
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And America gave him freedom, gave him security, gave him hope,
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gave him the ability to work and excel and achieve and prosper.
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And there is no nation in the history of the world like America.
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And that is, look, on too many college campuses, the faculties don't believe it.
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You and I were talking earlier today about your conversations with college kids
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who, when it comes to looters in California, say that the looters have a right to take what they want.
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The shoplifters, I've had them sit in my studio and say they're taking what's rightfully theirs
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And, look, I get it, but if you're sitting home in a beanbag eating Cheetos
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while somebody else is working their butt off for 15 years to get consequential knowledge
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that people are willing to pay for, you don't get the same outcome.
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When you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences.
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And do we need to give everybody better chances and better choices?
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But you cannot tell everybody that they're going to get the same outcome.
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And we've got college professors that are in there supposedly teaching art history
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And if I had a child in college right now that were getting taught that,
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Because let me tell you, where are those professors going to be five years later
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when that young man is trying to buy braces for his son or daughter and pay the rent?
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You're not going to be able to find them with both hands and a flashlight
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And then here's this person that got this college education
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and wasn't taught to cope with the real world, which is a shark tank.
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You get out there in the real world where somebody's looking for somebody to produce
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and here was somebody taught, no, it's the employer's job to get along with them
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We did shows of these people that were doing quiet quitting where they just said,
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This is not what we need to be talking about in America right now.
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We change it by people hearing what's going on,
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hearing that these algorithms are programmed to attack our children,
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hearing what's going on on the college campuses,
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hearing that kids are getting their feelings hurt and they're medicalizing it.
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There have been more professors suspended, disciplined, or dismissed
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in the last 20 or 30 years since the McCarthy era
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because now they're saying, no, this injured me.
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And so now they say, well, we have to react to that.
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And so they're complaining about it and professors are getting dismissed
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because they're asking students to take positions that is not comfortable for them.
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You know, in law school, you had to take the defense, the plaintiff, both sides.
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And so they put trigger warnings on everything.
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Trigger warnings create the anxiety they're intended to avoid.
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But yet there are trigger, something like 60, 70% of the universities use trigger warnings.
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Look, and in fact, I'd go even further and say the purpose of education is to trigger you.
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The purpose of education is have you encounter uncomfortable views,
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uncomfortable positions, challenge your assumptions.
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For a number of years, I used to teach at University of Texas Law School.
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And I taught a class as an adjunct professor on Supreme Court litigation.
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And I would have my students, I would pick seven of the biggest cases before the Supreme Court that term.
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And I would have the students brief the cases and argue the cases.
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And the students, every student would get to argue two cases.
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And the remainder of the cases, they would sit as Supreme Court justices.
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And we'd do it exactly like the real argument, same time period.
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The second hour, the nine justices would retire to conference.
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And you were required to discuss the case in the persona of your justice.
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And you were required to discuss the case and decide the case consistent with the jurisprudence
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And then each student was required to write an opinion.
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And I got to tell you, I think some of the best teaching moments is I would assign the cases
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I'd actually just use letters and randomly assign the cases and I'd assign the sides.
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And we had a number of students who ended up being assigned positions they hated.
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I remember one student who did very well in the class, was a West Point graduate, had been
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And he was assigned to represent a terrorist at Gitmo challenging his detention.
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I remember another student, a very liberal woman, was assigned to argue the case of pro-life
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protesters, which was a view she really didn't like.
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And I thought teaching the class, those were more valuable than if I had switched their
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positions and let them argue the position they agreed with, they would have learned less
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And now you have universities that seem to be behaving saying, our job is to prevent you
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from encountering anything you disagree with and surround you only...
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Yeah, well, that's why they're booing and not letting speakers that are invited to universities
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Well, and as you know, the Supreme Court does too.
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And you can't learn if you're just preaching to the choir all the time, which is why I say
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I want both sides to come on and let people hear and make up their own mind.
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We've got to awaken the masses to say, look, you've got to speak up about this.
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You've got to find your voice and talk about this.
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You know, I said earlier, the reason that these small groups of activists, this tyranny
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of the fringe is so efficient is because they identify an enemy and go after that enemy.
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And the silent majority doesn't have an enemy like that.
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They don't have a rally to attend because what they're trying to do is raise their family
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with love and care and concern and nurture them to get to the next level of life.
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That's what we're supposed to do as parents is prepare our children for the next level of
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You've said it twice, maybe three times a night.
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The fear you have of these algorithms, they're targeting kids.
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Parents have so much peer pressure now and kids have gotten really good at saying, well,
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What advice do you have to parents about the appropriate age to give them a tool that can
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also destroy their life, which is a cell phone, and allow them on social media?
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Just wait until all their classmates have them.
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Wait until they get in junior high and high school, and they're the only kid, and they're
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facing complete ostracization because all of the discussion of their classmates is through
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these evil black hole devices we put in our kids' hands.
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It's good for the child to have a device where you can reach them at any time.
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You can put all of these parental controls on there.
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They have workarounds, and if you don't give them the devices, they're going to be on their
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So our daughter got grounded, and we took her phone away.
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A couple of weeks go by, and then Heidi gets an email from the phone company.
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And we discovered that before she handed her phone over, she had gone into the phone and
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And she got a burner phone from a friend and put it in the phone.
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And what was amazing is she said, she said, well, you said you were taking my phone away.
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You didn't say you were taking my SIM card away.
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And it was, you know, she's got a fabulous mind, and it was a great argument.
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Our kids can run circles around us on technology.
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I always tell people that you should talk to your children about things that don't matter.
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And you watch these medical shows on TV, and what's one of the first things they say when
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So when they figure out what they do need, the vein is open, and all they have to do is
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That's why I say talk to kids about things that don't matter.
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Because when it comes time to talk about something that does matter, you got that vein open.
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And if you're talking to them about something that really matters, and it's the first time
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you've ever tried to have a conversation with them, it's going to feel really awkward.
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But if you've been talking to them about their video game, or shooting baskets with them,
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about getting a dog, about who they're dating, about this, about that, just about regular
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things, but there's a dialogue that's going on, and then it comes time where you have
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to talk to them about something that really matters, it's not like you're on your first
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You know, you've got this dialogue going, and when you roll into something that really
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And when you start talking about the internet and the phone, every time I do a show about
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these predators or these algorithms and how a significant percentage of young girls get
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into Instagram or whatever, and so they start getting depressed, I take all of that and send
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it to my granddaughter and say, you know, read this.
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And she becomes aware of it and goes, you know, wow, I don't know.
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And, you know, just before we walked in here, I was on the cameras, and she's over having
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a party, a swim party with all the adults there.
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And that's what's happening right now with young people.
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They're watching people live their lives instead of living their own lives.
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And the lives they're watching being lived are fantasies.
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I've had influencers on the show who say they get all dressed up and say, yeah, they're
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And as soon as they do the shoot, they turn it off, put their sweats on, and go sit down
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And people compare themselves to these fictional lives, and they get depressed because they
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They'll come there with like 10 changes of clothes.
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They're going and sitting in a box in a warehouse.
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They used to do it with a toilet seat that looked like it was a window on a table.
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I mean, you've dared say things you're not supposed to say,
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and yet you work in Hollywood, and you're still standing.
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What has the pushback been to you, and how have you survived?
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I think the truth is I've been really consistent in owning the debate lane.
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I give both sides an opportunity to talk about their position and let people make up their own minds.
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And I've now seen that there's too much traction being gained,
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and somebody needs to stand up and give this a voice.
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And like I said in the beginning, I'll sit around and say, you know,
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the media this, the media that, the media this, the media that.
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And Robin said to me, I guess it was about a year and a half ago,
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Would we ever see, and it seems that you're, and I say this as a sincere compliment,
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and it seems that you're now thinking about where we are as a country, your legacy.
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Is that something that you've ever even thought of?
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I think I can have more of an impact doing what I'm doing the way I'm doing it now
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First off, I don't think I know enough about it.
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And I think you've got to know where your strengths are and your weaknesses are.
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I mean, Senator Cruz here, constitutional law expert, he's immersed himself in this.
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I could spend 20 years and not be where he was on day one.
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I would rather work with him in his lane from my lane than try to get in his lane.
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You may remember the movie Mel Gibson was in, What Women Want.
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A very substantial percentage of your viewers are women across America who tune in to you
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and listen and are very interested in what you have to say.
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So I guess my question would be the title of the movie.
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What resonates, and Heidi's laughing in the audience, I'm seeking counseling.
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Well, Robin and I just celebrated our 47th anniversary last week.
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When she says what, it does not mean she did not hear what I said.
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It means she's given me a chance to change what I said.
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If you're taking notes in the audience or listening to this show, this is when you write that down.
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So what I know about what women want, I haven't a clue.
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And I did a show with women talking about how their role is changing in this day and time.
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I think they want to be treated with dignity and respect.
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I think they want to have an opportunity to be acknowledged for the contributions they make
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This podcast, we talk about politics a lot and policy a lot.
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If you look at politics right now, in elections nationally, Republicans are typically winning
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But right now in elections, Democrats are winning single women by huge margins.
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You know, I think the difference, one of the differences I see between the messaging between Democrats and Republicans
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is I think Democrats do a better job of messaging about the feeling parts of the process than Republicans do.
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I think Republicans do a real good job about messaging objectives and bottom lines
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and quantifying those objectives in setting measurable outcomes.
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And one of the things that's interesting is that getting married is strongly correlated with more conservative voting patterns.
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Now, some of that may just be a factor of age, that young people historically,
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Winston Churchill famously said, if you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart.
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And if you're 40 and not a conservative, you have no brain.
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That's been true for a long time, that young people skew left.
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And as they get older, they tend to get more conservative.
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But do you see something in the divide between single women and married women
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that would produce a really significant delta in their voting patterns?
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Well, I do in that, as I've said, I think family in America is under attack.
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your values shift dramatically because now you're responsible for somebody other than yourself.
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Marriage is down now compared to what it was a generation ago.
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We've seen church membership drop below the 50% level for the first time ever.
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And one reason for that is I think we've seen our birth rate drop now to 1.6.
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And it takes 2.1 to sustain this society right now.
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And most people, when they have a child, they want to go to church
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and have the child christened or baptized or whatever.
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So if you're having fewer marriages and fewer children,
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then you have fewer families that go to church to start with and begin that tradition.
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Now, do you have any theories on why fewer people are getting married?
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Or having fewer children, fewer people are going to church?
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It's part of this whole theory I have about family being under attack.
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It's like in 2008, 2009, it's like I have this image of huge airplanes
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flying over the United States and dropping smartphones on everybody.
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And that's when people started watching people live their lives instead of living their own.
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They started getting their driver's license later.
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They started social development much later and much less efficiently
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because they're living virtual lives instead of real lives.
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So social development was really arrested at that time.
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And if you go back and look at it, you see in 2008, 2009, that began to disrupt the social development in America.
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It's an unintended consequence of carrying a computer with a visual screen in your hand.
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And that's where the social platform started launching and it took the place of having real friends.
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You say, oh, I've got, you know, I've got 300 friends.
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I have these people that come on and say they're engaged.
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You've been messaging back and forth for two years to somebody,
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and it turns out to be somebody in a Nigerian workroom that you've been sending money for two years.
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That's not a relationship, but people are confusing followers and cliques for real relationships.
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And sometimes they fall in love with the fantasy,
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not even really caring whether it's a real person on the other end.
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So I think we've got to really encourage our kids to, you know, get off the screens and get out onto the playground
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You ask these young people today how many friends they have,
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you would be stunned at how few it is compared to what it was a generation ago.
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For everybody that's watching, listening to this, you also have a podcast as well and a book coming out.
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Quickly, as we wrap up this, tell everybody where all they can find all this.
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There are going to be press releases and information coming out on that very soon.
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I'm leaving here now, headed to Texas, and we're designing so many of the things.
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My studio is under construction right now in a huge broadcast center.
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And most of my senior people from Dr. Phil 1.0 are packing up the truck and moving out of Beverly,
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coming to Texas, and buying homes in Fort Worth, Keller, Dallas, Argyle, all around.
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And I told them how great it was and how values were great.
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And like I say, in late January, first week of February, we're going to be launching.
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And I am more excited about this than I was when we launched Dr. Phil to begin with.
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I'm very excited, and I hope people listening are saying, you know...
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One of the questions from the audience, Dr. Phil, was a question of what type of shows,
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what type of hosts, what type of roles is it going to be,
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and how is it going to be different than what you've done before?
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Well, I think that one of the things that I bring to the process that is unique to my particular brand or approach
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is that I'm a journalist and a mental health professional at the same time.
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And what I've always done is talk to real people with real problems and try to come up with real solutions.
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And I intend to stay with that format in the new show.
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And what I mean by that is even though we're going to be talking about different things,
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like social issues, whether it's homelessness or whether it's the problems we're having with the internet
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or it's this issue about the government paying people not to work instead of to work
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I'm going to approach that by telling those stories and dealing with those issues
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through the eyes of the people that are impacted by them.
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I think one of the best examples is, you know, we talked about buying these counterfeit pills on the internet,
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You've got to really stop to wrap your head around that.
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Four out of 10 pills you buy, that you can buy whether you're 12 or 13 or 14,
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They raided a pill factory just south of the border near San Diego
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that was stamping out 70 million pills a month.
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Not all of them are coming here, but a lot of them are coming to America.
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And when I talk about that, I don't want to have a bunch of talking head experts up there.
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I had four sets of parents who had non-drug-addicted children
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that ordered pills during finals of college to stay awake or to do this or to do that,
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And credit card receipts where they ordered one pill,
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one pill from a social media platform and were dead the next morning.
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And I approached that by telling this story through the eyes of the parents
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We did have representatives there that were involved in every aspect of the story.
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But still, I approached it through the angst of these parents
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And that's how I intend to continue to do this,
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to talk about this not with a bunch of talking head experts
00:44:21.960
like you see on the 24-hour cable news networks,
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but instead by dealing with real people that are impacted by these stories.
00:44:34.940
Last year, more than 100,000 Americans died of drug overdoses.
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Roughly 70% of that is Chinese fentanyl coming across our southern border.
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That's the highest in the history of our country.
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is almost double the number of Americans who died in the entire Vietnam War.
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And I've visited with a lot of these parents who've lost their kids.
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It's not a heroin addict on the street who's a junkie.
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And they take it and just one, the wrong one, can kill them.
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You know, I had a DEA agent do an illustration that I think is really powerful.
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He had several of us take a packet of sweet and low.
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He said, OK, now take your pinky and just stick it in the packet and pull it out.
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And when you do that, you have a couple of little tiny grains on your fingertip.
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And he said, that is enough fentanyl to kill you.
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And I'll tell you, I sat down with both our daughters.
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And I gave them packets of sweet and low and had them do that.
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But as a parent, it's terrifying because you hope the message sticks.
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And the problem is teenagers sometimes do dumb things.
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And when the dumb things can kill you, that's really terrifying.
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Yeah, and now there's something called carfentanil, which is even more powerful than fentanyl.
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And people say, well, why would a drug dealer want to kill their client, their customers?
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It's just so addictive that if they'll take it and not die, they just are immediately addicted.
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But they're mixing this stuff up in a bathtub with a Bodor.
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And they don't know how much gets in this one or that one.
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And so, but to answer your question, that's how I'm going to do it.
00:46:55.360
And I'm going to do it because that's how my audience, the people that I've built a relationship with over 21 years,
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that's how they're used to getting the information from people they can relate to.
00:47:09.860
And what they do, every guest I have on is a teaching tool.
00:47:14.980
And, you know, people don't know because I have kind of a, I guess, a shoot from the hip style of delivery.
00:47:23.200
But I get like a 250-page notebook for every single show we do.
00:47:29.580
And we get a cross-sectional history, a medical history, a longitudinal history.
00:47:35.500
And I have a 15-member Blue Ribbon Advisory Board with the top minds in medicine, psychology, psychiatry, nursing, theology,
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every area from the top learning centers in the country, a lot of them peer-reviewed journal editors.
00:47:53.200
And if I have a really complex case, I can send it to them and we talk about it.
00:47:58.700
And we stick with evidence-based therapies and give them cutting-edge information
00:48:04.180
because there's an 18-month lag between submitting findings and it getting out in a peer-reviewed journal.
00:48:14.540
And we really try and deliver the absolute best available information to people about these key issues.
00:48:26.860
And we're going to stay with that format going forward.
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Dr. Phil, thank you so much for being with us, being a part of this.
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The audience, you guys give Dr. Phil a big round of applause as well.
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Hit that follow, subscribe, or auto-download button.
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