Verdict with Ted Cruz - Eric Trump-Exclusive Interview on his new book Under Siege

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00:00:04.300 Welcome.

00:00:04.900 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, and it's Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:08.060 It's so nice to have you with us, and certainly if you're listening on radio right now as

00:00:11.760 well, we love having you with us as well.

00:00:14.300 And this is going to be a really fun show tonight, Senator, because we're going to get

00:00:18.160 to have a good friend of ours on, take a pause sort of from politics for a moment, talk about

00:00:23.320 a cool new book that is out, and what was behind writing this book, and I'll let you

00:00:27.720 take it from there.

00:00:28.360 You know, Ben, I've got to say, we try to count on being honest and candid with our

00:00:34.620 viewers and listeners, and yet you just claim that we're going to take a break from politics,

00:00:39.580 and this is about as far away from taking a break from politics as I can possibly imagine.

00:00:46.020 Today, we are very pleased to welcome our friend Eric Trump, President Donald Trump's son, who

00:00:51.720 has a brand new book.

00:00:52.780 A brand new book came out this week.

00:00:54.300 The book is entitled Under Siege, My Family's Fight to Save Our Nation.

00:00:59.300 He is in the midst of his nationwide book tour right now, and in classic Trump fashion, he's

00:01:05.720 on the list, and there's only one place to be on the list, and that is at number one.

00:01:09.620 It's the number one best-selling book in America right now.

00:01:13.600 And Eric, this is your first book.

00:01:15.240 It ain't bad debuting at number one.

00:01:17.520 Congratulations and welcome.

00:01:19.120 Mr. Senator, now it will probably be my last book as well, because I'm not doing this again.

00:01:23.600 The return on time of books is especially when you put your heart and soul into it.

00:01:27.620 But yeah, we're number one on Amazon.

00:01:28.960 We're number one on all the lists.

00:01:30.340 And it just went viral.

00:01:32.900 I think people in this country are pissed off.

00:01:34.440 And Mr. Senator, you've done a better job fighting against the weaponization of government

00:01:38.560 than I would say just about anybody other than maybe Donald Trump, right, who's had to face

00:01:42.480 all of this.

00:01:43.220 And, you know, I became the pinata in this whole fight because I was the one guy who

00:01:46.540 didn't have constitutional protections.

00:01:47.820 I was a civilian.

00:01:49.380 You know, I was the guy that was running the Trump organization.

00:01:51.320 I was the guy that ran everything that was outside of Washington, D.C. for my father when

00:01:55.400 he went into the White House.

00:01:57.440 And what they tried to do to us, what they tried to do to our family, what they tried to do

00:02:01.620 to this nation, what they tried to do to you and all your viewers on this show is unthinkable.

00:02:06.780 And somebody had to materialize it because it was the greatest governmental corruption

00:02:10.800 this nation has ever seen.

00:02:13.240 Well, you're right.

00:02:14.440 And they launched everything they had at your father, at your family, four separate indictments.

00:02:20.860 On top of that, the asinine case from the New York attorney general trying to argue

00:02:28.340 that somehow global international banks are innocent waifs who are deceived and apparently

00:02:35.440 are unable to value real estate because, you know, giant banks have never had to value

00:02:39.720 real estate in the past. 1.00

00:02:41.760 I will confess, for me, maybe the most absurd moment of all of it was when the idiot judge 0.97

00:02:49.720 in New York valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million, which I'll confess, I saw your dad. 0.99

00:02:55.820 I would have bought it for that.

00:02:57.440 I saw your dad not shortly after that, and I offered it on the spot.

00:03:01.800 I said, Mr. President, I'll give you $20 million right now.

00:03:03.960 Yeah.

00:03:04.400 I'll take two.

00:03:06.660 I mean, as you know, you can't buy a hot dog stand in Palm Beach for $18 million.

00:03:11.920 And that notion, to me, it was the most ludicrous, it was a relatively small detail of what was 1.00

00:03:20.080 a pile of idiocy upon idiocy. 1.00

00:03:23.120 But you guys were the targets of it, and it cannot have been fun. 1.00

00:03:28.840 Mr. Senator, I became the most subpoenaed man in American history for doing absolutely

00:03:32.880 nothing wrong.

00:03:33.600 I'm not Hunter Biden.

00:03:34.720 I never had a speeding ticket in my life.

00:03:36.840 I've lived a very straight, very good life, hardworking guy, no games, never even approached

00:03:41.620 the line, you know, raised right, you know, and they tried to destroy us.

00:03:46.360 I was the one that was getting calls from the FBI.

00:03:48.120 You remember the Russia hoax very well, because you were probably the best person at fighting 1.00

00:03:50.900 against it.

00:03:51.920 Eric, I hear you have secret servers in the basement of Trump Tower communicating directly

00:03:55.860 with the Kremlin.

00:03:56.500 I go, excuse me?

00:03:57.160 I literally started, Mr. Senator, I started laughing.

00:03:59.500 I started laughing.

00:04:00.040 I go, first of all, you don't keep servers in basements because basements flood.

00:04:03.300 Second of all, we're like largely cloud-based.

00:04:05.400 And they did it so a greedy woman could get about three extra votes, right? 1.00

00:04:08.800 And they used that as their explanation as to why she lost.

00:04:12.700 And then it was impeachment number one.

00:04:13.940 And then it was impeachment number two.

00:04:15.260 And then it was them attacking Kavanaugh.

00:04:17.380 And then it was 112 subpoenas that I received for, again, doing nothing wrong.

00:04:20.600 And then it was weaponization of every attorney general and district attorney in this country,

00:04:25.500 whether it be Letitia James or Alvin Bragg or Cy Vance or Fannie Willis and her boyfriend

00:04:30.540 in Fulton, Georgia, you know, or Jack Smith or Comey and everything that they did.

00:04:36.140 And then they spied on our campaign.

00:04:38.300 Then they did the weaponization of FISA.

00:04:40.800 Then they took my father off the ballot in Colorado.

00:04:42.900 And then they took him off the ballot in Maine.

00:04:45.060 And when that didn't work, they tried to silence his voice and get rid of his First Amendment rights.

00:04:48.820 So what did they do?

00:04:49.880 Took him off of YouTube.

00:04:51.200 Took him off of Twitter.

00:04:52.220 Took him off of Facebook.

00:04:53.360 Took him off of Instagram.

00:04:55.180 And when that didn't work, when we popped up Truth Social, what did they do?

00:04:57.940 They had every judge impose gag orders on him.

00:05:01.120 And then they raided Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:02.560 I was the guy that got the call when 30 FBI agents were outside screaming in a phone to me,

00:05:08.180 turn off the security cameras at Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:11.280 They did everything they could.

00:05:13.100 And then they debanked us.

00:05:14.240 And then they deplatformed us.

00:05:16.040 They tried to bankrupt us.

00:05:17.560 They tried to imprison us.

00:05:19.660 And I'll never forget walking out of that jail cell with my father in New York after the 34 felony counts, right,

00:05:24.500 which have all been overturned.

00:05:25.940 And I said, Dad, we either win the White House or you and I are in jail for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

00:05:31.820 That's how diabolical the pendulum was.

00:05:35.440 And they were doing it to the people in this country as well.

00:05:38.180 They were debanking them.

00:05:39.200 They were going after their pastors.

00:05:40.720 They were going after their churches.

00:05:42.320 They were weaponizing the IRS.

00:05:44.480 You know, they were skipping great people who had worked their butts off their entire year

00:05:48.880 because of DEI hires and literally ruining upward mobility of people across the country.

00:05:54.300 They were corrupting their children.

00:05:55.880 They were teaching them revisionist history.

00:05:58.120 This siege wasn't just against the Trump family.

00:06:00.520 It was against all of us.

00:06:01.480 It was against both of you.

00:06:02.660 It was against every person that's watching us right now.

00:06:06.000 And people are pissed off in this country.

00:06:07.900 And that's why this book went to number one.

00:06:09.800 You mentioned Mar-a-Lago a second ago and getting that phone call.

00:06:14.440 Can you just explain how insane that day must have been?

00:06:18.520 Because I know people, we saw it on TV.

00:06:21.360 But you were on the inside.

00:06:22.900 And when you're getting a phone call, they're telling you to turn your cameras off.

00:06:26.880 So, like, what time of day is it?

00:06:28.340 What are you doing?

00:06:29.160 How does the call come in?

00:06:29.820 It was about 7.50, 8 o'clock in the morning when I got a call from my team.

00:06:33.300 They say they're 30 FBI agents and they have a search warrant.

00:06:35.380 I go, what are they searching?

00:06:36.800 I'm not sure if I understand.

00:06:37.580 Like, we have, like, such a great relationship with law enforcement.

00:06:39.780 It was bizarre at the time.

00:06:41.580 I go, how would I not know about this from Secret Service?

00:06:43.660 How would I not know?

00:06:44.300 I mean, they didn't give anybody warning.

00:06:46.380 And I'll never forget, I said, I finally figured out what they were doing.

00:06:49.900 And I said, did anybody let my father know?

00:06:51.300 And it was my team, really.

00:06:52.720 And they said no.

00:06:53.480 And I go, I'll call him right now.

00:06:54.600 And we met in his office.

00:06:55.480 And that's when he wrote up that beautiful tweet, as you remember.

00:06:57.740 And the FBI was so damn pissed that we sent out that tweet.

00:07:01.380 They wanted to have the narrative.

00:07:03.080 They wanted to be able to release a story.

00:07:05.240 And instead, my father writes that beautiful tweet.

00:07:07.140 You know, right now the FBI is raiding the famous Mar-a-Lago, my home.

00:07:11.980 You know, and the world went crazy.

00:07:13.900 The world couldn't stand it.

00:07:15.080 It was the worst decision that they ever made.

00:07:17.720 And remember, Senator, they said it was on behalf of NARA, right, National Archives.

00:07:21.820 I went on Hannity that night.

00:07:23.580 And I go, does anybody actually believe a glorified library sent 30 FBI agents to invade Mar-a-Lago with firearms?

00:07:32.380 Give me a break, right?

00:07:33.440 And then sure enough, it comes out that it was Joe Biden and it was Merrick Garland and it was the whole host of criminals that weaponized the entire system.

00:07:40.000 But I'll never forget that call.

00:07:41.860 30 FBI agents outside of Mar-a-Lago.

00:07:44.420 They searched Melania's room.

00:07:45.840 They searched Barron's room.

00:07:47.140 They took attorney-client privilege documents.

00:07:49.740 They took HIPAA documents.

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00:09:38.040 I know you're going to try to terrorize the New York Times a little bit.

00:09:41.520 That's the hardest thing, is just to screw with them and be at the top of their list.

00:09:45.640 So everyone listening, I hope you'll buy the book just so we can screw with them a little bit.

00:09:49.640 Senator, you've been at the top of that list.

00:09:51.000 It's hard to get there.

00:09:52.440 Well, I will say, Eric, you should brace yourself.

00:09:55.260 It doesn't matter how many copies of the book you sell.

00:09:57.600 The New York Times is going to insist that, like, left-handed transgender witches is the number one book in America. 0.95

00:10:04.520 And to be fair, in the New York Times newsroom, it probably is the number one book in America.

00:10:09.260 But if you get outside the New York Times and to the rest of America, there are a lot of people right now that are going to Amazon.

00:10:15.180 Go to Amazon right now.

00:10:16.440 Buy Eric Trump's book.

00:10:18.200 Keep it at number one.

00:10:19.700 Annoy a liberal.

00:10:20.820 Buy two. 0.99

00:10:21.500 Buy one for yourself and buy one to give a liberal just to drive them crazy.

00:10:25.120 And to say, explain to me again how you think weaponization is a bad thing because your liberal friends, to the extent you have any, that they haven't de-friended you, they're not going to have an answer to that.

00:10:39.200 Eric, tell me, what was your dad's reaction when you went in and told him, OK, the FBI agents are here?

00:10:45.080 I assume he was pissed.

00:10:46.700 But, like, what was his immediate reaction when you tell him that?

00:10:49.840 He was actually remarkably calm.

00:10:50.980 You know, it's, you know, I've seen my father pissed many times, but he doesn't get pissed off in situations of kind of, like, great anguish and stress, right?

00:10:58.780 It's no different than Butler.

00:10:59.640 But, you know, almost foreshadow Butler is the same thing.

00:11:01.880 It's, I probably would have been pissed in Butler, and I think he was actually remarkably calm, especially in the aftermath of what happened.

00:11:08.400 And, you know, he was always his calmest in the worst moments, always.

00:11:12.460 I mean, and, Senator, you saw many of them.

00:11:14.360 I mean, you were there for many of them in so many different ways.

00:11:17.760 You know, he never let emotion fly.

00:11:19.860 It was a very, he goes, you've got to be kidding me.

00:11:22.800 All right, honey, meet me in my office.

00:11:24.180 You know, we're going to write up a statement.

00:11:25.520 And that's when he let that truth fly.

00:11:27.240 And, you know, the rest is history.

00:11:28.720 I mean, for the next month, they had helicopters buzzing over Mar-a-Lago.

00:11:31.560 And, you know, the scenes of that front gate, you remember the cop car in front of the front gate of Mar-a-Lago?

00:11:36.300 I mean, Mar-a-Lago became, not that it wasn't probably already, but it became the most famous property in the world based on that raid and what they did.

00:11:42.900 And in the aftermath of all of it, we find out Jack Smith was bringing classified folders and effectively staging photo shoots on the office floor of my father's office.

00:11:52.740 But, you know, as I said before, guys, I mean, they were going through Melania's closet.

00:11:56.540 They were going through Barron's room.

00:11:57.840 They literally, they took his medical records, right?

00:12:01.940 Like HIPAA-related records.

00:12:03.560 That pissed off the judge. 0.96

00:12:04.780 I can only tell you, they took attorney-client documents, right?

00:12:07.900 That also really pissed off Eileen Cannon, the judge on the case. 1.00

00:12:12.080 Sure.

00:12:12.440 You just, you couldn't believe it.

00:12:13.900 And then, you know, again, all of this was staged.

00:12:15.800 You think Donald Trump just leaves classified folders fanned out perfectly on the floor?

00:12:20.300 I mean, it was all staged.

00:12:21.300 It was all set up.

00:12:22.380 They wanted to imprison him.

00:12:24.260 They wanted to take his voice.

00:12:25.660 They wanted to imprison him.

00:12:26.840 They wanted him behind bars.

00:12:28.400 They didn't want him to be able to campaign.

00:12:30.620 They wanted to weaponize the system in any way, shape, or form.

00:12:34.100 And they weren't able to do it.

00:12:35.600 A lot of people remember the de-platforming, and you mentioned that earlier.

00:12:39.780 And you go back to the end of his first term in office.

00:12:43.280 But one of the things you mentioned earlier on was they tried to ruin your businesses by

00:12:47.440 de-banking you.

00:12:49.520 Can you explain for people that don't understand just how critical that was in a time in the

00:12:54.540 Trump organization?

00:12:55.200 I mean, you've been handed the family business to run it, and now you're finding out you

00:12:59.020 can't even have banking the way that you need to have banking to literally run businesses.

00:13:03.000 Whether you're a big business or a small business, a lot of people listening right now, if you

00:13:06.180 don't have a bank, you don't have a business.

00:13:08.500 Yeah, Ben, it was that times 100.

00:13:10.240 I mean, literally, it was coordinated by the administration.

00:13:13.480 There's no question about it.

00:13:14.940 And they called up, and they said, listen, congratulations, you canceled the account.

00:13:17.680 I was getting these letters.

00:13:18.520 I got one from Capital One.

00:13:19.620 They had 300 bank accounts.

00:13:21.100 And these aren't like baby bank accounts.

00:13:22.260 These are massive commercial buildings that have hundreds of tenants, thousands of people

00:13:28.060 working in these buildings, hundreds if not thousands of vendors, heavy real estate taxes.

00:13:34.140 I mean, people, hundreds and hundreds of people depend, their livelihoods depend on these

00:13:39.100 businesses.

00:13:40.000 They've got complicated lockbox provisions and loan documents, thousands of inputs coming

00:13:45.160 in like this.

00:13:46.280 And they just called up, your accounts are going to get closed.

00:13:49.060 You've got one or two days to move them, and congratulations, you're done, all because

00:13:53.500 we wore a hat that said, make America great again, that was red.

00:13:57.340 These were commercial buildings.

00:13:58.740 These were condominium associations.

00:14:00.480 These were small golf courses.

00:14:02.100 These were, you know, residential shops.

00:14:04.240 These were escrow accounts, things that had nothing to do, nothing to do with politics

00:14:08.780 whatsoever.

00:14:09.460 And they canceled us like we were dogs. 0.57

00:14:11.900 Capital One was the worst. 0.96

00:14:13.280 JP Morgan was horrible. 0.96

00:14:14.760 Bank of America was horrible. 0.96

00:14:16.620 First Republic was terrible.

00:14:17.940 But it wasn't just the banks.

00:14:19.920 It was platforms.

00:14:20.760 Shopify.

00:14:21.760 Shopify literally gave us a notice.

00:14:24.320 They do all the e-com platforms in the middle of the night, turned off our accounts

00:14:27.720 like we were nothing, right?

00:14:28.860 We were selling golf polos that we have from Mar-a-Lago.

00:14:32.640 And they did everything they could to hurt us, to turn off the rails, right?

00:14:36.880 Again, they wanted our voice gone.

00:14:39.420 They wanted us bankrupt.

00:14:40.960 They wanted the name off of every building.

00:14:42.760 They wanted us thrown out of New York.

00:14:44.680 You had Letitia James that was trying to repossess our assets. 1.00

00:14:47.360 I mean, it was almost like forfeiture.

00:14:48.840 It was non-constitutional.

00:14:50.540 Hence the reason the appellate courts threw out the case 5-0 when we got a resounding

00:14:54.780 victory two weeks ago or three weeks ago.

00:14:57.280 Guys, they tried everything they could.

00:14:58.880 And because I was the guy outside of Washington, D.C., because I ran the company, it all fell

00:15:03.380 on me.

00:15:03.840 That's how I became the most subpoenaed person in the history of this country, having never

00:15:07.180 done a damn thing wrong.

00:15:08.280 They wanted to get to my father coming through me. 0.96

00:15:11.900 Now, were these business accounts, personal accounts, both?

00:15:15.120 I mean, how many accounts are we talking about, roughly?

00:15:18.220 Like, what quarterbacks?

00:15:18.960 500.

00:15:20.280 You know, lots of those being business accounts, all of them being us.

00:15:24.420 You know, my wife has, like, athletic clothing line. 1.00

00:15:27.440 You know, JPMorgan Chase wouldn't open up an account.

00:15:29.960 So, you know, for her, she's not Donald Trump.

00:15:32.860 She's not the Trump organization.

00:15:34.080 They did this to everyone in the family.

00:15:36.720 If you even came close, you know, if you even came close, I have a little farm with a couple

00:15:41.720 buddies.

00:15:42.600 They canceled that account.

00:15:44.120 It doesn't wear a Trump name.

00:15:45.560 It can't.

00:15:46.080 They were indiscriminate.

00:15:47.840 If it was six degrees of separation from Trump, they canceled us.

00:15:52.000 And honestly, guys, you know, I'm an outspoken, you know, big fan of, you know, cryptocurrency.

00:15:57.900 That's how I found crypto, because I realized how quickly financial institutions can be weaponized

00:16:03.080 against the American people and realized that there's nothing that can be done on, you know,

00:16:06.840 using traditional financial institutions that can't be done better, faster, cheaper,

00:16:10.960 safer, and more efficiently using cryptocurrency.

00:16:14.400 And I'm the biggest proponent of it.

00:16:16.520 Did they even purport to give you any explanation?

00:16:20.000 Or did they just say, no, it's canceled?

00:16:22.180 Like, they didn't.

00:16:23.700 Was there any details?

00:16:25.540 Or you just get phone calls or get an email and say, okay, this account's done?

00:16:29.800 Yeah, other than a lot of those, you know, a lot of the people that worked in the banks

00:16:33.580 who otherwise said this is the most, I can't believe it.

00:16:36.000 I can't believe what my bank's doing.

00:16:37.300 This is all political.

00:16:38.540 That's what they're saying in the corridors every day.

00:16:40.400 They canceled you for political reasons.

00:16:42.400 There's no other explanation.

00:16:43.660 They're telling us, you know, they're telling us we can't talk to you ever again.

00:16:47.240 It was unbelievable.

00:16:48.440 And I would not wish that on my worst enemy.

00:16:51.220 To take the rails of being able to pay employees.

00:16:54.460 These are housekeepers. 1.00

00:16:55.500 These are janitors.

00:16:56.420 These are engineers.

00:16:57.440 These are security officers.

00:16:58.600 These are drivers, hospitality workers.

00:17:02.080 To not be able to pay them a salary all because somebody wanted to politicize a system against

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00:17:43.360 Senator, this is a story that we're hearing about the weaponization of the private sector.

00:17:52.140 Not the government.

00:17:52.720 The private sector against the Trump organization.

00:17:56.380 The moment that he just said 500 bank counts just shut down.

00:18:01.120 I'm shocked by that.

00:18:02.560 I think you were as well.

00:18:04.200 That number, I'd never heard anything remotely close to that.

00:18:07.080 I mean, that really is stunning.

00:18:09.400 So you're running your family's outside businesses.

00:18:12.800 You get these calls.

00:18:13.880 What do you do when you're given, what, you said 24 hours, 48 hours notice?

00:18:19.000 Like, were there banks that were willing to welcome your business?

00:18:23.420 Or what did you do with 500 accounts being canceled?

00:18:27.240 You had a lot of attorney generals and you had a lot of government institutions that were

00:18:30.240 going to these banks saying, don't even think about it.

00:18:32.100 Don't touch that account.

00:18:33.580 You know, Letitia James was doing that to the bonding companies when we had to, after the 0.98

00:18:37.120 initial ruling, when we had to post a $600 million bond.

00:18:41.200 By the way, that was like five times the size of the Boeing bond.

00:18:45.380 That made them, you know, literally, I mean, it was the biggest bond ever seen in the

00:18:50.520 country, you know, and she was going to the very same institution saying, don't even touch

00:18:55.180 that bond.

00:18:55.640 So we had to post a bond based on the court before we had everything overturned.

00:18:59.380 And she was going to the biggest insurance company saying, you don't touch that bond.

00:19:02.700 You know, you're registered in New York.

00:19:04.540 If you touch that bond, I'm going to think less favorably on you.

00:19:07.520 That's how badly they weaponize the system. 0.58

00:19:10.220 What do you do when you get those letters?

00:19:12.080 You want to crawl under your desk.

00:19:13.960 And honestly, I had probably 100 people in the company that didn't sleep for a six month

00:19:18.640 period of time who were distraught.

00:19:20.940 And thank God we had enough little local banks, you know, that you move all the accounts.

00:19:25.080 I'm thinking, right, to these little local branches who want to take your money.

00:19:28.980 But these weren't the JP Morgan's.

00:19:30.500 These weren't the Bank of America's.

00:19:32.860 They were small little mom and pop regional banks that did the right thing and honestly

00:19:37.600 probably saved us based on the fact that they were willing to do the right thing.

00:19:40.800 This didn't just happen to us.

00:19:42.400 I was on the campaign trail.

00:19:43.660 I'd hear from people every single day, you know, my bank canceled me.

00:19:47.040 Well, my company makes a spring and the spring goes in a fishing reel.

00:19:51.360 And that fishing reel sold at Bass Pro Shops.

00:19:53.460 And Bass Pro Shops sells 12 gauge duck hunting ammo.

00:19:56.940 And they thought the affiliation, I heard this everywhere I went.

00:20:00.400 I heard it from the crypto guys.

00:20:01.760 I believed in Bitcoin.

00:20:02.800 I believed in stable coin.

00:20:04.060 I believe in the future of kind of modern finance.

00:20:07.120 And because I believed in cryptocurrency, my banks canceled me.

00:20:10.640 Wachovia canceled me.

00:20:11.840 Bank of America canceled me.

00:20:13.620 Guys, I heard this all over the place.

00:20:15.220 You know, we need to make this illegal.

00:20:18.200 And it is.

00:20:18.760 It's illegal in a lot of states and under a lot of banking clauses.

00:20:22.340 But the fact that you can literally, I mean, could you imagine if AT&T or Verizon just

00:20:27.380 decided to cancel all conservative cell phones?

00:20:30.500 Yeah.

00:20:31.220 Right?

00:20:31.740 If you can't bank, you can't survive.

00:20:34.220 If you can't bank, you can't eat.

00:20:36.500 If you can't bank, you can't pay employees.

00:20:39.260 And yet they turned us off like we were dogs.

00:20:41.140 How much money do you think that Trump, when you guys were out during the four years and

00:20:45.920 under siege like this, how many business deals got blown up because people were afraid even

00:20:50.120 to just do business with you because they were afraid their business would be affected

00:20:53.600 negatively and they could be targeted?

00:20:55.580 I'm assuming that was a reality for quite some time.

00:20:58.920 Well, I talk a lot about it in the book.

00:21:00.200 I mean, there were reporters that just made their whole livelihoods.

00:21:03.200 David Fahrenthold from The Washington Post and others, you know, made their entire livelihoods

00:21:08.140 calling up, you know, vendors of ours, calling up our employees, calling up brides and grooms

00:21:13.420 that were going to get married at one of the properties, one of the hotels.

00:21:16.240 Hold on.

00:21:16.840 They were harassing people that were getting married at Trump resorts?

00:21:20.280 Oh, I have more emails than you can possibly imagine.

00:21:24.660 You know, I hear you're going to go get married at Mar-a-Lago.

00:21:27.440 Oh, really?

00:21:27.980 You know, this might have to make the front cover of our respective paper.

00:21:32.280 You know, can you please give me a comment?

00:21:33.720 And these brides and grooms are saying, I just want to get married in peace.

00:21:36.200 You know, I just, you know, this is a beautiful property.

00:21:39.000 I'm not a political person.

00:21:40.200 I just, you know, it's a five-star property.

00:21:43.140 I love the place.

00:21:44.280 It's convenient.

00:21:44.960 My family lives nearby.

00:21:46.420 Whatever the hell the reason, they were doing that.

00:21:48.860 They were extorting employees.

00:21:50.260 They were going up to employees.

00:21:51.320 And they frankly tried to do it to me.

00:21:53.140 Hey, you tell us anything about Donald Trump, we'll let you go.

00:21:56.080 You know, all your problems will disappear.

00:21:57.380 Hold on.

00:21:57.700 They tried to turn you against your own father.

00:22:01.000 Alvin Bragg?

00:22:02.320 Are you kidding me?

00:22:04.060 Cyrus Vance?

00:22:04.920 All of them?

00:22:06.200 They weaponized every DA and AG to try and flip every single person to say anything negative,

00:22:12.920 to get any negative testimony against Donald Trump for their own political purposes.

00:22:17.280 Absolutely.

00:22:18.360 That was the whole game they played.

00:22:19.840 And no one in our company broke.

00:22:21.740 Guys, this was the siege that I dealt with every single day, right?

00:22:25.160 I mean, it was all of these factors that came together all at once, all the time, doing

00:22:30.500 anything they could to just chop us off at every single—I mean, when they made up the

00:22:36.620 dirty dossier, when they made up—right?

00:22:38.400 I mean, they have stories about prostitution in there, about golden you-know-whats, right?

00:22:43.580 Yep.

00:22:43.780 What do you think they were trying?

00:22:44.720 They were trying to divorce my father.

00:22:46.140 They were trying to destroy his marriage.

00:22:47.540 They were trying to break up our family.

00:22:49.660 That's what they were trying to do.

00:22:51.200 Also, a greedy woman could get, you know, again, two more votes. 1.00

00:22:54.960 These people are sick. 1.00

00:22:56.280 These people are deranged. 1.00

00:22:57.600 And there's been zero accountability for any of it.

00:23:00.700 And as a son who fought by my father's side every single day during this battle, somebody

00:23:06.300 had to tell this story.

00:23:07.640 Somebody had to tell the inside perspective of the lengths that a corrupt government will

00:23:11.920 go to, besides just spying on campaigns and despite just, you know, raiding homes, you

00:23:17.640 know, all the things that they did to try and destroy us, to try and destroy Make America 0.91

00:23:21.940 Great Again, and try and destroy conservatives all across the country.

00:23:26.200 Look, it was unmitigated evil, and it was driven—part of it was driven by hate.

00:23:30.960 Today, the defining characteristic, I think, of the Democrat Party is they hate your father.

00:23:36.320 Yeah.

00:23:36.720 And they hate your family.

00:23:38.040 I mean, that anything connected to your father, they hate.

00:23:41.980 And I think it also, though, was a deep contempt for democracy.

00:23:45.800 I think every one of these indictments, I think the weaponization that we saw, their

00:23:50.000 underlying terror is that the voters would do what they did in November of 2024 and vote

00:23:56.000 to re-elect your father.

00:23:56.960 And this was all about undermining democracy and preventing the voters from doing that.

00:24:03.020 You know, Eric, you mentioned earlier that you described yourself as the most subpoenaed

00:24:06.660 man in America.

00:24:08.100 How many subpoenas did you get, and did you testify a lot of times?

00:24:12.600 Were they demanding documents?

00:24:13.880 What subpoenas were coming in?

00:24:15.680 112 subpoenas.

00:24:16.860 I sat in more depositions than any human being in the history of depositions.

00:24:21.620 And by the way, these are like big boy subpoenas, right?

00:24:23.260 They're all coming from, you know, your close friend, Elizabeth Warren, as we like to call

00:24:26.660 her, Pocahontas, and many others.

00:24:29.860 We turned over.

00:24:30.900 I mean, they would ask for document discovery.

00:24:32.940 You know, please give us every email in the company, and they would list 1,000 words.

00:24:36.140 But aside from that, they would list national and international.

00:24:38.900 Well, all our hotels are Trump International Hotel, and all our golf courses are Trump National

00:24:43.500 Golf Course.

00:24:43.980 You can probably see where this is going.

00:24:46.040 Every email signature of every person in the company either has the word national or

00:24:50.480 international in it.

00:24:51.660 That's their fishing expedition.

00:24:52.920 I actually brought this to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court specifically told them,

00:24:56.020 you can't fish, right?

00:24:57.460 And they did it anyway.

00:24:59.100 The judges didn't give a damn.

00:25:00.720 They wanted to find any comma that was out of place, and they couldn't.

00:25:03.980 I mean, in the Letitia James trial, literally, Deutsche Bank was on the stand saying that

00:25:09.480 Trump was the best lender that they've ever had, right?

00:25:11.760 We made them hundreds of millions of dollars, paid off every loan, paid it off ahead of time,

00:25:16.080 never missed a payment.

00:25:17.180 Even in the darkest days of COVID, when they made us shut down our properties, we never

00:25:21.740 missed, we never defaulted, we never breached a covenant.

00:25:25.560 And then one day, I wake up to the nightmare of, you're fined $600 million for doing nothing

00:25:29.800 wrong with banks that loved us, that testified that they loved us.

00:25:33.420 I mean, it was, you know, and that's because you had a crooked judge, again, got overturned

00:25:37.880 5-0 at the next court, but they rigged the entire system, and you're seeing them do that

00:25:43.220 right now, right?

00:25:44.000 You're seeing them do that in Washington, D.C., where 94% of the cases that go in front

00:25:48.040 of the lower course are literally, you know, going against the administration, and then

00:25:52.940 they all have to go up on appeal and get overturned.

00:25:55.440 But guys, the beautiful thing about this story is we won, right?

00:25:59.340 I mean, the media lost their credibility.

00:26:02.640 No one likes the mainstream media.

00:26:04.720 I mean, my wife is on Fox News on a Saturday at 9 p.m., and she's getting four extra ratings

00:26:10.660 of CNN on the same time slot on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in prime time slots, right?

00:26:17.100 No one likes the mainstream media.

00:26:19.280 ABC's dead.

00:26:20.160 NBC's dead.

00:26:21.040 CNN's dead.

00:26:22.240 And independent voices like these podcasts are winning the day.

00:26:26.440 And by the way, she is doing an awesome job.

00:26:28.860 I had a chance to be on her show, and she's a great interviewer because she's relaxed.

00:26:32.780 She's having fun.

00:26:34.080 She's asking real questions, and it's night and day.

00:26:38.060 You know, I will occasionally do CNN.

00:26:41.260 Poor Ben was on CNN for six, seven years.

00:26:43.560 I actually think he has a padded room, and he, like, puts on a straitjacket when he remembers

00:26:48.060 those times.

00:26:48.800 Fighting commies for seven years. 0.73

00:26:50.600 Hey, listen.

00:26:51.040 I just came off Caitlyn Collins about 20 minutes ago, all right?

00:26:54.420 Thoughts and prayers.

00:26:55.560 Thoughts and prayers, Eric.

00:26:56.500 Thoughts and prayers.

00:26:57.560 Thoughts and prayers.

00:26:58.720 You know, it's so bad.

00:27:03.240 Let me ask you, when all of this was coming in, and it is not exaggeration to say there

00:27:08.840 has never been a political leader, subject to more weaponization, more assaults, more

00:27:16.320 insanely unfair attacks than your father has been.

00:27:22.200 Was there ever a time that you felt yourself giving in to despair?

00:27:27.860 And do you think your dad ever did?

00:27:29.740 No.

00:27:30.160 Honestly, it's like, we're, like, masochistic.

00:27:32.380 We like pain or something along those lines, right?

00:27:34.680 It's like a weird trait, right?

00:27:36.480 And I think it served us well, but no, I think we were so pissed off.

00:27:39.500 At that point, we wanted to fight, and we wanted to win, and we wanted to save the Constitution.

00:27:43.440 We wanted to save the American flag.

00:27:44.800 We wanted to save religion and society.

00:27:47.120 We wanted to save the, you know, Second Amendment.

00:27:48.840 We wanted to end wokeness. 0.70

00:27:51.380 We wanted to stop the DEI nonsense, you know, men my size swimming in women's sport.

00:27:57.080 We wanted to save the greatest country in the world against absolute lunacy.

00:28:02.060 And so we never gave up.

00:28:03.520 We never stopped fighting.

00:28:04.460 We went out there, and we punched back every single day, and we did that as a family.

00:28:07.800 I never left that stage.

00:28:09.480 And honestly, I've never been more proud of a human being in my life.

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00:30:05.180 So our guest with us is Eric Trump.

00:30:07.320 Senator, you and I were just talking with him about this,

00:30:10.500 really, his family being under siege.

00:30:12.660 You talked about these big boy subpoenas.

00:30:15.440 Part of that is to financially hurt you.

00:30:19.320 Of course.

00:30:19.460 What did you guys spend just doing the fighting of all the lawsuits against you during that four-year period?

00:30:27.360 How much did it cost you?

00:30:29.380 Roughly $400 million.

00:30:31.380 You know, guys, I laugh when people,

00:30:33.280 Trump is profiting off of government.

00:30:35.680 I go, wait, excuse me.

00:30:37.380 If you want to come in, I'll break down the finances.

00:30:39.820 You want to talk?

00:30:40.680 Trump's profit?

00:30:41.560 We spent $400 million to defend ourselves against nonsense.

00:30:46.420 The fact that we did not have secret servers communicating with the Kremlin.

00:30:50.060 The fact that Don wasn't a Russian agent.

00:30:53.560 Remember, you had Adam Schiff out there every single day.

00:30:55.540 Yeah.

00:30:55.760 Donald Trump Jr. is a Russian agent.

00:30:58.920 Guys, if he wasn't protected by the speech and debate clause, 0.66

00:31:03.500 honestly, the guy would have been worth zero.

00:31:05.940 He would have been living in a shoebox based on the fact that you would have sued him for slander

00:31:09.760 and taken everything that he ever had.

00:31:12.560 It was all made-up lies.

00:31:14.800 They did everything they possibly could to take us down.

00:31:17.180 We spent over $400 million.

00:31:19.020 Between that, you know, Letitia, you know, Alvin Bragg, Cy Vance, you know, Fannie.

00:31:24.440 I mean, I could go on and on.

00:31:25.940 The raids, the Mar-a-Lago.

00:31:27.000 Who's the worst to deal with?

00:31:28.280 Between Alvin Bragg, Cy Vance, Letitia James, Jack Smith.

00:31:31.860 Who was the worst?

00:31:33.000 Probably Letitia. 0.98

00:31:34.120 If you want to know the truth?

00:31:34.980 I mean, it was so corrupt.

00:31:38.340 And I don't know, Alvin Bragg, because you had Bershon.

00:31:40.500 I mean, Judge Bershon's daughter is like the head digital fundraiser for the Democratic Party,

00:31:45.520 and the guy wouldn't recuse himself.

00:31:47.580 And literally, you'd be sitting in these courtrooms, guys, and I would not leave my father's side.

00:31:51.140 I sat next to him every single day.

00:31:53.660 If he was there, I was going to be there as a son to support him.

00:31:56.940 You know, and most of the time, some of these cases I wasn't gagged in.

00:32:00.160 So normally I was the guy in the courthouse steps, you know, shouting and yelling at the cameras

00:32:03.500 as to what the hell was actually going on, because that's the only way you could communicate a message.

00:32:07.420 But guys, I mean, you had liberal, and I mean liberal reporters,

00:32:10.560 who were in that courtroom shaking their heads saying, none of this makes any sense.

00:32:14.880 I mean, they shut down all of Manhattan, lower Manhattan, for a $100,000 payment

00:32:20.720 that my father didn't even make, made by a lawyer.

00:32:24.460 They indicted him 34 times.

00:32:26.480 I mean, you know, Al Capone had one felony indictment.

00:32:29.980 They indicted my father 34 times for a $100,000 payment, by the way,

00:32:34.560 by a district attorney who ran on the premise, you know, of reducing what,

00:32:39.900 you know, just decriminalizing just about anything.

00:32:41.800 You know, you could shoot somebody in the face in Times Square, and it was decriminalized,

00:32:45.040 and you're going to let them out, and, you know, you're going to have community policing 0.97

00:32:48.120 and all sorts of nonsense.

00:32:49.200 I mean, he ran on the premise of literally emptying Rikers Island so you had no criminals in there,

00:32:53.740 yet, you know, 34 felonies in a six-month period of time is shutting down New York

00:32:57.940 and the FDR drive every day over $100,000.

00:33:00.080 I mean, it wasn't believable.

00:33:01.920 If only your father were mugging people in Times Square, then Alvin Bragg would never have prosecuted him.

00:33:08.320 But instead, he committed the unspeakable sin of not only being President of the United States,

00:33:13.400 but being an extraordinarily successful and bold President of the United States,

00:33:17.920 which is an unpardonable sin.

00:33:20.540 All right, we don't have much time left, but I want to take it a little bit lighter.

00:33:24.000 And ask, what was it like?

00:33:27.500 Like, your father is unique.

00:33:30.320 I've never in my life have I met anyone remotely like your father.

00:33:34.840 He and I have spent a lot of time together.

00:33:36.840 He has extraordinary courage.

00:33:38.820 But before he was president, what was it like growing up as a kid with Donald Trump as your father?

00:33:45.020 Like, what was he like as a dad when you were 10?

00:33:48.940 Honestly, the greatest dad you could ever imagine.

00:33:51.200 Expected big things from us, right?

00:33:52.800 I mean, every day I'd go give him a kiss before I went to school.

00:33:55.740 Honey, no drinking, no drugs, no smoking.

00:33:57.800 You better get good grades.

00:33:58.720 And by the way, never trust anybody, right?

00:34:00.140 You know, once in a while, I add that.

00:34:01.320 I never trust anyone.

00:34:02.780 Hey, that's probably-

00:34:03.320 You never knew how important that was going to be now.

00:34:04.860 Yeah, as I said, it probably benefited us pretty well.

00:34:06.980 So, amazing guy.

00:34:08.760 You know, listen, we were spoiled as hell in that we lived in, you know, Trump Tower.

00:34:11.660 We had a beautiful roof over our head.

00:34:12.920 We were always well fed.

00:34:13.980 We had the best education.

00:34:15.940 But we were never handed money.

00:34:17.180 We were never handed cash.

00:34:18.580 If we wanted something, if I wanted a fishing rod, congratulations, you're working for it.

00:34:22.240 I got on our construction sites when I was 11 years old, doing demo, doing electrical, HVAC, you know, running backhoes, excavators, you know. 1.00

00:34:30.240 I grew up working with my hands on our construction sites with many of the guys that work for me today.

00:34:35.100 And you know what?

00:34:35.960 He wanted us to learn a trait.

00:34:37.260 He wanted us to learn the value of a dollar.

00:34:39.500 And by the way, he wanted us to be tired as hell at the end of the day.

00:34:42.580 You know, because, listen, don't give type A kids, or any kid, but don't give type A kids money or free time because bad things happen.

00:34:49.540 And he was an amazing father.

00:34:52.080 He is an amazing father.

00:34:53.260 And everything we've ever done, we fought together, whether it's real estate, whether it was The Apprentice.

00:34:56.960 I was on that for seven seasons.

00:34:58.940 And then in politics.

00:34:59.900 I mean, when he decided to run, he said to us, he goes, you know, kids, let's do this.

00:35:04.120 You know, I was on Megyn Kelly. 0.50

00:35:05.140 I didn't know what the hell immigration was.

00:35:06.840 I mean, Senator, this was not my world.

00:35:08.920 I built hotels.

00:35:10.680 And all of a sudden, I'm in a middle of a box.

00:35:12.780 You said build a wall, and now you're on TV.

00:35:15.140 I've got nine illegal immigrants around me, and I'm battling all of them. 1.00

00:35:18.200 And I don't know the first damn thing about illegal immigration, right? 0.67

00:35:20.840 I mean, like, this is not the world that we came from.

00:35:22.960 But my father is a remarkable guy.

00:35:25.160 My mother was an amazing powerhouse and strict, demanded manners, demanded respect, demanded work ethic. 1.00

00:35:32.120 And I have the greatest parents you can ever imagine.

00:35:34.340 I spent a lot of time in Under Siege talking about, you know, being raised by them.

00:35:37.480 And, you know, it was unique in so many ways, but they did everything they could in this strange world that we lived in to ground us and make sure we turned out to be hard workers, normal, you know, and didn't have any of these kind of Hunter Biden-esque problems.

00:35:51.000 I don't have a laptop from hell.

00:35:52.820 You know, I don't do finger painting selling it to, you know, foreign nationals all over the world.

00:35:57.160 I, you know, never married my, you know, my brother's ex-wife, like, never did that kind of stuff.

00:36:02.080 No drugs, no, you know, no perversion.

00:36:04.420 I was always a good kid who believed in God and believed in hard work and, you know, lived an honest life.

00:36:09.760 Eric, I can't tell you how many times, dozens if not hundreds of times, people have commented that one of the things they admire most about your dad is you and your brothers and sisters.

00:36:21.780 And, listen, it is hard for any successful person to raise good kids.

00:36:27.500 It's challenging.

00:36:28.240 There's a lot of pressure.

00:36:29.200 And, you know, I know your entire family, and I will say, literally, people early on throughout the process, they'll comment, well, you know, somehow his kids are, like, not messed up and incredibly successful and put together.

00:36:45.560 And, I mean, it's – all right, let me ask you.

00:36:47.580 Let's say we have some young parents that are listening to this podcast.

00:36:51.740 Are there any lessons – a young parent, by the way, you know, Ben has young kids.

00:36:57.560 I have teenage kids.

00:36:58.640 Are there any lessons from your dad that young parents should know or lessons that you've tried to apply?

00:37:05.420 Yeah.

00:37:05.960 Keep them poor and make them start working early.

00:37:09.660 Honestly, I mean, that's what it is.

00:37:11.020 Keep them poor.

00:37:11.840 Don't give type A kids money. 0.99

00:37:13.840 And don't give them endless time.

00:37:15.540 That's just a bad recipe, right?

00:37:17.560 And, you know, I can't tell you guys how many friends I had, you know, who were peers who went to school with me.

00:37:22.960 And, you know, three-quarters of them ended up in rehab, and a lot of them went down bad roads.

00:37:27.660 And guess what?

00:37:28.000 They were getting Ferraris, you know, when they're, you know, 16 years old.

00:37:31.040 Like, what do you ever want to aspire to get if that's how you're being raised?

00:37:36.560 I mean, does it surprise you that those people don't have work ethic?

00:37:39.280 Does it surprise you that they go down bad roads?

00:37:41.340 And my father would never let that happen to us.

00:37:43.880 And, you know, he made us work our butts off.

00:37:46.160 And believe me, if I wasn't good at what I did, real estate-wise, I would not be in this chair.

00:37:51.060 I mean, forget about nepotism for a second.

00:37:52.980 You know, if we weren't incredibly capable, believe me, I wouldn't be running one of the largest real estate empires anywhere in the world.

00:37:58.600 And he made us work, and he made us prove that we were good at what we do, and we fought every single day.

00:38:03.540 And we're an incredibly tight family, and he's a remarkable person.

00:38:07.040 He's my best friend.

00:38:07.760 I love him to death.

00:38:09.080 And I'm so proud of him, especially in a week where he's accomplished as much as he had.

00:38:13.360 I am so damn proud of what he did and what he's accomplished and the hell of a journey.

00:38:19.000 Guys, it's all worth it.

00:38:20.380 This is all worth it.

00:38:21.460 The siege is all worth it based on, you know, the great things that are happening to our country and our world.

00:38:26.820 Grab the book, Under Siege Amazon, right now.

00:38:30.060 Eric, a pleasure to have you on.

00:38:31.280 Don't forget, grab the podcast, share it wherever you can, and thanks for joining us.

00:38:35.260 It's Verdict with Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - October 17, 2025

Eric Trump-Exclusive Interview on his new book Under Siege

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