Verdict with Ted Cruz - EXTRA： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 3 2025

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00:00:04.900 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:06.080 Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

00:00:10.620 Very pleased to have you with us here.

00:00:13.080 Clay is doing golf today.

00:00:15.960 A couple of golf days this week.

00:00:17.440 He says that when you see some of the videotaped swings that he has put forth on the course,

00:00:24.200 it will make Happy Gilmore look like he didn't know how to swing at all.

00:00:30.060 I don't know.

00:00:30.440 He's talking a big game about it, so we shall see, and we will get into more of that with him tomorrow.

00:00:35.960 He'll be back tomorrow.

00:00:36.680 I'll actually be out in Arizona tomorrow, which I'm looking forward to.

00:00:40.480 Believe it or not, I have two great states that in just recent time here I have never visited before

00:00:50.920 and will have recently been to, one being Colorado, first ever time in Colorado recently, lovely place, and Arizona.

00:00:58.480 I've actually never been to Arizona.

00:01:00.600 Been to Baghdad a few times, as I like to say.

00:01:03.180 Never been to Arizona.

00:01:04.200 So I need to get there.

00:01:05.920 I'll be there tomorrow.

00:01:06.960 Looking forward to it.

00:01:07.840 All right.

00:01:08.140 I know there's a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff to dive into.

00:01:11.300 We have Congressman Jim Jordan with us.

00:01:13.820 Talking to him, second hour.

00:01:15.320 We'll discuss, oh, so many things.

00:01:17.760 The economy, the Trump agenda, America, the restoration, all those good things.

00:01:23.500 And then Senator Marsha Blackburn, third hour, will speak with her about immigration and the deportation flights and also the economy,

00:01:33.260 because I know a lot of people are focused in on that.

00:01:35.500 And remember, it was just yesterday, Trump tweeted out, or I guess it's truthed out, that it is Liberation Day, and that refers to the tariffs.

00:01:48.880 Now, there's a whole bunch of tariffs.

00:01:51.460 The White House has put out a lot of information about this.

00:01:53.880 There's a whole bunch of tariffs that are taking effect.

00:01:58.020 Here's what we know.

00:01:58.880 President Trump, this is from the White House, President Trump invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977

00:02:08.760 to address the emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our trade relationships

00:02:18.480 and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value-added taxes, VAT tax, perpetuated by other countries.

00:02:28.880 Under this IEPA authority, President Trump will impose a 10% tariff on all countries, going into effect April 5th.

00:02:37.380 And then President Trump will impose an additional reciprocal tariff on countries with which the United States has the largest trade deficits.

00:02:44.860 All other countries will continue to be subject to the original 10%.

00:02:47.720 That will take effect April 9th.

00:02:50.860 And now there's more specificity about this, and it goes into the U.S.-Mexico-Canada agreement, how that plays into this.

00:02:58.020 So there are some goods are not part of the reciprocal tariff, steel, aluminum, auto parts.

00:03:04.200 Okay, so there's a lot of stuff going on, and it's big.

00:03:09.600 I'm not going to sit here and act like this is small potatoes.

00:03:12.480 It's a big deal economically.

00:03:14.100 And I think that, first off, the best way to do this is to allow President Trump to make the case to you, based on what he said yesterday, about why this is necessary.

00:03:28.820 I think it's unrealistic that there are people out there, well, first of all, there are people who all they want to do is complain about Trump.

00:03:36.620 Not just Democrats, there's some Republicans, too, who seem like they only want to complain about, find something, even no matter how minute.

00:03:43.700 Remember Signalgate a week ago, oh my gosh, there was a journalist, the strikes all happened, but a journalist found out, but he didn't say anything.

00:03:50.840 You know, come on, here's what's going on right now.

00:03:55.520 Trump is trying to reorient a substantial component of our economy to create long-term benefit for the American people.

00:04:08.120 Now, here is President Trump yesterday.

00:04:14.060 I wanted you to hear this.

00:04:15.200 This clip's a little over a minute long.

00:04:16.940 I wanted you to hear, though, why are we doing this?

00:04:19.540 Let's get into it.

00:04:20.440 Let's hear from the man himself.

00:04:21.880 He is absolutely committed to this.

00:04:24.320 He believes in it to his core.

00:04:26.400 He has believed in it for a very long time.

00:04:29.500 Why are we doing this?

00:04:31.420 Liberation Day remarks yesterday from Trump.

00:04:33.580 Play cut one.

00:04:34.200 In the coming days, there will be complaints from the globalists and the outsourcers and special interests.

00:04:40.280 And the fake news, always, the fake news will always complain.

00:04:43.760 But never forget, every prediction our opponents made about trade for the last 30 years has been proven totally wrong.

00:04:51.620 They were wrong about NAFTA.

00:04:53.480 They were wrong about China.

00:04:55.340 They were wrong about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which would have been a disaster if I didn't terminate it.

00:05:01.200 If I didn't turn that, terminate that, United Auto Workers, you would have had no jobs in this country.

00:05:08.440 You would have had no jobs.

00:05:10.620 It was all going to other countries.

00:05:13.840 In my first term, they said tariffs would crash the economy.

00:05:18.860 Instead, we built the greatest economy in the history of the world.

00:05:21.660 And, again, I have great respect for President Xi of China, great respect for China.

00:05:26.280 But they were taking tremendous advantage of us.

00:05:30.780 And I commend them for that.

00:05:32.480 I say, hey, if you can get away with it, that's okay.

00:05:35.720 But, you know, they understand exactly what's happening.

00:05:39.560 And they probably, most of them are saying it's about time they did something.

00:05:43.580 And they're going to fight.

00:05:44.720 They're going to fight.

00:05:45.440 Everyone's going to fight.

00:05:46.640 You know, it's like I say to the leaders, look, you've got to take care of your country, but we have to start taking care of our country now.

00:05:53.440 We can't do what we've been doing for the last 50 years.

00:05:57.320 Okay.

00:05:58.360 Now let's take this apart a little bit and get into what he's saying.

00:06:02.680 And notice I've been saying it to you for a long time, but just in advance of those remarks, what I had made the same case to you,

00:06:10.740 which is that Trump has been right when it comes to big issues of trade, commerce, big issues of commerce, where the consensus, such as that exists,

00:06:22.980 you know, you can always argue what is the consensus and why do we think there is even such a thing, but such as it exists, was wrong.

00:06:30.120 It was wrong on China. 0.89

00:06:31.080 Here, here's, you know, Trump came into office in 2016 and on China, China, he was taking positions that they said, oh, it's going to lead to a trade war.

00:06:41.560 But we can even take it further back than that.

00:06:44.640 It had been for decades before Trump even thought about or was really considering seriously running for president.

00:06:52.760 I mean, going back, you go back to the 80s, go back to the 90s.

00:06:56.460 It had been the international elite consensus that if we just give China what it wants when it comes to trade,

00:07:05.960 it will liberalize and democratize over time and everybody will win.

00:07:13.300 And they let it in the WTO, World Trade Organization.

00:07:16.440 That was completely wrong, right?

00:07:19.040 There are a lot of different experts and think tanks and everything who for a long time were taking the position that all you have to do is just open up your markets to China.

00:07:34.240 And as China buys our Coca-Cola and as China starts importing all of our cheap stuff made in huge factories here, 0.95

00:07:41.540 they're going to be all about human rights and democracy and freedom.

00:07:45.360 Just give it time.

00:07:46.120 Totally wrong.

00:07:46.820 So there's been no real evidence of that whatsoever.

00:07:49.840 In fact, the opposite, you could argue, has occurred.

00:07:52.420 And China has become more belligerent, more bellicose, more difficult to deal with as it has become wealthier.

00:07:58.180 So we made China rich under the auspices of this is going to help us and it's going to help national security.

00:08:06.100 And, oh, that means that we're aware that trade and national security are things that intersect

00:08:12.540 and that some things that are in your national security interests are not necessarily completely in your immediate trade interests,

00:08:20.800 like being able to make your own antibiotics, being able to produce enough of your own microchips, you know, go down the line, a whole range of things.

00:08:30.260 But we'll get more into that.

00:08:32.580 Trump, though, sees this and he it takes somebody like him who is willing to put this kind of political capital on the line to take this kind of a risk.

00:08:45.320 And I will I'll be clear to you about this.

00:08:47.460 It's a risk.

00:08:48.880 It's a risk.

00:08:51.220 Economically, financially for the country.

00:08:53.940 But I think a couple of things about it.

00:08:56.040 One, it makes sense to me as he explains it.

00:09:00.420 And as we see what's happening, there already have been countries just yesterday.

00:09:03.420 Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu said, look, we're getting rid of all you know what?

00:09:07.820 He's right.

00:09:08.160 Let's get rid of all trade barriers with the United States and let's just continue to build that special relationship.

00:09:15.140 Great.

00:09:16.080 Look at that.

00:09:17.480 There are other countries as well that have backed off a tariff that they have or they're you know, this is all part of a negotiation.

00:09:25.020 So as we go into some of the details here and I'll play more from Trump and more from Stephen Miller.

00:09:30.760 However, yeah, massive change is going to feel unsettling for people for a little bit.

00:09:37.660 It's not going to just happen overnight and be perfect.

00:09:40.660 But if you want to fix things, you have to be willing to take the actions to fix them and be in a position to do so.

00:09:48.660 And like I said, Trump is willing to do this.

00:09:52.020 He could be on the golf course with Clay right now.

00:09:54.860 Hang.

00:09:55.220 I mean, he actually might be, but I don't think he is.

00:09:57.420 I'm like, is he is Clay in his foursome?

00:09:59.400 But I'm but I mean, he could be hanging on the golf course forever.

00:10:02.860 He could just be he's got billions of dollars, got grandkids and family.

00:10:06.840 And, you know, he he could just sail off into the sunset and enjoy himself at Mar-a-Lago.

00:10:13.380 But instead, he has taken it upon himself to try to do something incredibly important for the future of the country because he truly believes in it.

00:10:23.200 And he has I have to look at the record here.

00:10:27.200 He has been right on areas where the economic consensus has been against him.

00:10:33.640 That is a fact.

00:10:34.640 And so on this one, again, there are a lot of people and there are some people that I respect a lot and like a lot on the right who are very concerned about this.

00:10:43.000 And to them, I just say, I think Trump has made a strong enough case and is in a strong enough position politically where let the man cook.

00:10:53.060 Let him do what he does.

00:10:54.800 Let's see how he negotiates.

00:10:55.960 Even Bill Ackman, right, who's a kind of a recent convert to the center, I would say, he used to be a Democrat, Hillary supporter, et cetera.

00:11:05.800 Bill Ackman is a multi-billionaire hedge fund guy, investor guy.

00:11:12.780 And he's along with Elon and some of these other very wealthy, very high IQ individuals have realized Democrat Party is insane. 0.98

00:11:20.080 They're a bunch of lunatic gender identity obsessed communists. 0.87

00:11:22.680 So he says, if you're going to be common sense or he's seen, if you're going to be common sense, you have to be a Republican. 0.94

00:11:28.520 There's no other major political party for you to support right now.

00:11:31.840 Maybe he calls himself an independent.

00:11:33.140 I don't know.

00:11:33.900 But I thought this was very, very astute observation from Bill Ackman.

00:11:39.440 He he put out on X. 0.93

00:11:41.840 Sometimes the best strategy in a negotiation is convincing the other side that you are crazy. 0.88

00:11:48.800 Now, I know some of you might be like, hey, Trump's not crazy.

00:11:52.960 Well, yeah, he's not crazy. 0.99

00:11:55.360 Obviously, he's crazy like a fox in this context, meaning he's a guy who.

00:12:02.020 Needs the other side to believe that he's willing to do things that were impossible for American leadership to consider before that there could be consequences. 0.96

00:12:13.940 And that's that.

00:12:15.680 So that's that's a that's a part of this.

00:12:16.820 I've said to you before, I've explained, you know, we were just talking about who is the actor.

00:12:23.740 I'm blanking on his name.

00:12:24.720 Just just passed away.

00:12:26.320 Who is in heat.

00:12:27.660 Val Kilmer.

00:12:28.380 Thank you.

00:12:29.000 Val Kilmer.

00:12:29.760 Val Kilmer's best role, in my opinion.

00:12:32.540 You can argue.

00:12:33.180 I know some of you're going to say the doors, but I think Val Kilmer's best role for me is Tombstone, where he plays Doc Holliday.

00:12:40.840 And there's a great scene.

00:12:42.920 I've mentioned this to you before in the context of foreign policy with Trump.

00:12:45.500 I think it applies here, too, where Wyatt Earp, very competently, very well played by Kurt Russell.

00:12:51.880 They kind of they throw the the double barrel shotgun when they're about to have the shootout in the OK Corral.

00:12:57.860 They didn't know it was going to be shootout, but they were preparing.

00:13:00.440 He throws the shotgun and he goes, let's put Doc on the street howitzer. 0.87

00:13:05.540 They might have less itchy trigger fingers as a result.

00:13:09.800 Something like that.

00:13:10.640 Right.

00:13:10.840 But let's put Doc Holliday on the street howitzer being you want the crazy guy with the bazooka is basically the idea. 0.98

00:13:17.240 In this analogy, Trump is the crazy guy with the bazooka on trade. 0.79

00:13:21.220 You want you want to play this game with him or you want to be reasonable. 0.98

00:13:24.200 You want to be fair.

00:13:25.060 You want to deal with the reciprocal tariffs.

00:13:26.840 You know, for a guy who has survived two assassination attempts, two impeachments, you know, for baloney criminal trials, beat the Hillary machine, beat the Biden, you know, Kamala machine.

00:13:43.220 I think he's earned the right to try this his way.

00:13:46.820 And at least have those of us who have believed in him all along look at this and say, let's see what he can do.

00:13:52.160 And just remember this catastrophism and and selling panic.

00:13:58.240 Like, it's just such a cheap way of getting attention for so many people.

00:14:02.320 Oh, you know, the sky is falling stuff.

00:14:04.300 Cheap way of getting attention.

00:14:06.100 Cheap way of having people think that you have something worthwhile to say.

00:14:10.620 Stock markets gone down.

00:14:11.660 Look at the stock market.

00:14:12.860 It hasn't gone down in any meaningful way, really, since 2008, other than the pandemic drop.

00:14:18.620 And the pandemic drop was completely a self-inflicted wound.

00:14:21.620 And anybody like me who was paying attention was like, well, this is going to be great because people are going to realize this is like a cold and we should just go back about our lives.

00:14:28.920 And there's no, you know, the economy isn't destroyed by the pandemic. 0.78

00:14:31.880 That was just lunatics who made it anyway.

00:14:33.340 So, yeah, there may be there may be something of a of a drop in in the stock market for a bit.

00:14:40.140 I believe it will be temporary.

00:14:41.280 Look, if it's not temporary, then the American people can go and vote and they can hold Trump and the Republicans accountable for this decision the next time around.

00:14:49.340 I think they're going to say when it comes time for that.

00:14:52.420 Wow.

00:14:53.500 What leadership?

00:14:55.160 Look at how things are going better for us now.

00:14:58.820 And that's what leadership is.

00:15:00.240 When you have what you believe truly, you based on all your wisdom and all of your life experience and all of your expertise, this is the right thing to do.

00:15:08.900 It's in the best interest of the people I lead.

00:15:11.760 And I'm going to do it because of that.

00:15:13.720 I'm not going to sit around and, you know, oh, which way is the wind blowing?

00:15:16.500 So this is what Liberation Day is about.

00:15:19.080 We'll talk more about it.

00:15:20.080 I'll take your calls on it.

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00:17:22.740 My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day.

00:17:28.300 Waiting for a long time.

00:17:32.000 April 2nd, 2025 will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America's destiny was reclaimed,

00:17:42.800 and the day that we began to make America wealthy again.

00:17:48.040 It's going to make it wealthy, good and wealthy.

00:17:51.960 Our country and its taxpayers have been ripped off for more than 50 years, but it is not going to happen anymore.

00:18:00.240 It's not going to happen.

00:18:03.260 President Trump there speaking on Liberation Day, which was yesterday, which who knows, could be a day that we all remember for a long time to come.

00:18:11.620 Probably more so in retrospect, right?

00:18:14.180 Otherwise, yesterday seemed like a pretty normal day.

00:18:16.080 But President Trump is very committed to this idea of rebalancing the unbalanced playing field of global trade.

00:18:27.800 And again, the fundamental questions that I continue to pose, and I never get a good answer for this.

00:18:32.920 If it's so bad to have tariffs, why do other countries have tariffs?

00:18:36.720 Keep in mind, it's not even just tariffs.

00:18:39.360 Look, this is very complicated stuff.

00:18:41.640 You're talking about a global economy of $30 trillion.

00:18:44.100 So there's a lot going on.

00:18:46.880 The numbers are massive, thankfully, right?

00:18:49.400 The world is so much, the world overall is so much wealthier in real terms today than it was 100 years ago or 100 years before that.

00:19:01.120 The system that we have, for all of its imperfections, capitalism and markets, has created incredible human prosperity and flourishing, which is a great thing.

00:19:12.980 And we shouldn't lose sight of that, right?

00:19:16.200 You are.

00:19:17.300 This is what I was saying.

00:19:18.520 A catastrophism is a simpleton's way of getting attention, right?

00:19:22.500 Oh, everything's going to fall apart.

00:19:23.900 I think I've shared with you before this anecdote that one of my favorite authors, Michael Crichton, I know he's like a sci-fi pop writer guy, but I think he's brilliant.

00:19:34.960 He passed away years ago.

00:19:37.000 But he said that he had the experience he had learned over many years of running in circles among the elites.

00:19:43.460 Because remember, the 90s, if you were a best-selling, if you were a Michael Crichton or a Tom Clancy or, you know, I'm trying to, who's the guy who does all the, and Grisham, you know, I mean, Stephen King.

00:19:53.480 I know Stephen King is like a lunatic communist, but he sold a lot of books.

00:19:57.040 If you were one of these guys, you were in elite society and invited to a lot of parties and stuff so people could be like, oh, I saw so-and-so, the famous author.

00:20:04.620 And he said that if you try to tell people that the world is actually good and getting better, they want to fight you because they think that that's a more sophisticated position to take. 0.65

00:20:16.020 It's more sophisticated always in the eyes of people who generally aren't as smart as they think they are to say everything is crap, everything is going to hell, and they know that that gets attention, too. 0.60

00:20:27.960 And it's a very simple position to take. 0.98

00:20:30.320 It's the easy way out.

00:20:31.540 Now, there are problems, right?

00:20:33.500 You don't want to be on the other side, either, where everything is amazing, but he just, he warned against using catastrophism as a fallback and a means of getting attention for yourself.

00:20:43.200 And I think that there's a lot of, and he actually said that people would get mad at him when he would explain to them that scientifically the advances that are going on in the world, and this came up in the context of climate change.

00:20:54.220 He'd tell people, no, no, you don't have to worry.

00:20:57.120 Climate change, is it real?

00:20:59.320 Well, yeah, but not in any significant way.

00:21:02.720 It doesn't matter.

00:21:03.820 So don't worry.

00:21:04.720 And they would get very angry about that, right?

00:21:06.800 You were telling them that their climate change false god was not real.

00:21:10.200 Well, with this, what I see is a lot of people who know that if they tell you that the world is falling apart right now because of Trump, and they tell you that, oh, the markets, look at what the markets are doing and all this stuff.

00:21:23.220 Then even if they're wrong in six months or a year, things will be so much better that nobody will really take the time to go back and say, hey, why were you so wrong about this, but also so negative and really undermining the necessary resetting of some of these global relationships?

00:21:42.700 Because that's really what we're talking about here, you know, international trade relationships.

00:21:47.820 And then there's the Stephen Miller approach, which is Stephen Miller is he takes the intellectual approach, but he also applies a little bit of the Conan, the barbarian ethic to it, where he is just like, I'm going to drive my enemy from their villages and hear the lamentations of their women.

00:22:05.620 And, like, Stephen Miller does not hold back.

00:22:08.580 My man has showed up ready to throw down from day one of the first Trump term, and now, as you know, he's a White House Deputy Chief of Staff.

00:22:18.020 Here he is on Liberation Day.

00:22:20.020 This is cut six.

00:22:21.760 Just laying it out there, and I think he was hitting home runs.

00:22:24.540 Listen to it.

00:22:25.180 The announcement today is the most significant action on global trade policy that has taken place in our lifetimes.

00:22:32.700 It's not even a close call.

00:22:33.940 This is probably the biggest event that's happened on global trade since the very ill-fated decision that we are now reversing of knocking down all of America's trade tariffs and revenue policies that led to the offshoring and outsourcing of all for industry.

00:22:48.820 So this is the great reversal of that great portrayal is how I look at it.

00:22:51.780 So in the 20th century, successive American presidents knocked down all of the policies that we had to protect American industry, and they did insane things like letting China into the World Trade Organization, as an example.

00:23:02.860 And we watched all of our factories go overseas.

00:23:05.760 This is the complete reversal of that.

00:23:08.240 This is the great onshoring, the great reshoring of American jobs and wealth. 0.63

00:23:12.220 So if you look at America today, we're totally dependent on foreign countries for the supplies that make this country run, for all of the essential goods, materials, manufactured products that make it possible for us to live our lives.

00:23:23.840 Our cars, our electronics, all the materials that go into our homes, our buildings, our medical supplies, our entire supply chains are completely embedded in foreign countries.

00:23:34.900 So if there's a national emergency of any kind in a country shuts off an import or a foreign power embargoes a sea lane, we are then left defenseless, helpless because of the decisions that prior leaders made that President Trump is now reversing to let all of these industries leave our country.

00:23:50.960 He's laying it out so well.

00:24:20.960 He's laying it out so well.

00:24:50.960 And all the different things and rules.

00:24:53.140 But it was an infantry, largely infantry operations we're talking about here, right?

00:24:58.560 The war of the future that we're looking at, especially if we avoid getting into these entanglements of nation building and trying to separate warring parties.

00:25:11.260 You know, I'm weaving here, so I'm sorry, I've got to go into this for a second.

00:25:14.780 I watched on Netflix recently, this was worth it, this is actually worth watching, Surviving Black Hawk Down.

00:25:22.860 And Surviving Black Hawk Down is a very good, very well done series.

00:25:26.000 I read the Mark Bowden book when it came out.

00:25:31.300 Actually, initially it was a series of articles and then it came out as a book, but I read it a long time ago and then I saw the movie.

00:25:37.820 I think the movie is one of the best war movies I've ever seen.

00:25:40.600 One of the most realistic modern war movies ever made.

00:25:43.660 And, you know, it's just, it's an incredible story.

00:25:47.060 It's an incredible story and it shows the bravery, the challenges, the risks that our infantry, our soldiers take in these kind of third world hell holes.

00:25:58.500 But also, what the Surviving Black Hawk Down, to me at least, series adds to this, is you get a little more of the context of, what the heck were we doing there?

00:26:12.380 Bill Clinton, of course, running the show.

00:26:16.300 And we're there, there's a civil war going on, you know, all over Somalia, but mostly we're based in Mogadishu.

00:26:23.380 You got warring factions and we're, we're trying to do a humanitarian mission, but then we've got Apaches doing strike missions and then we want to do more human.

00:26:32.460 I mean, it was the, the strategic, the policy level was a disaster.

00:26:38.140 And I'm just going to say that Bill Clinton, the most overrated intellect, maybe in the history of American politics.

00:26:45.060 Okay.

00:26:46.100 I'm so smart.

00:26:47.260 Yeah, please.

00:26:47.840 We know what Bill, we know what Bill was really thinking about.

00:26:49.840 And it wasn't policy in Somalia.

00:26:51.760 That's for sure.

00:26:54.860 And brave soldiers of ours paid, paid for the poor strategy and planning with their lives.

00:27:00.860 And many of them were, were wounded.

00:27:03.980 But I think about this in the context of these, we've learned this lesson many times.

00:27:09.380 Oh, and you also, I would add to this, you see the perspective of Somali militia leaders.

00:27:14.460 They interviewed them, which was really interesting.

00:27:16.440 Who were there that day in the Black Hawk Down incident.

00:27:19.480 You see what they were saying.

00:27:20.500 And anyway, so I would, I would recommend you.

00:27:23.860 I know a lot of you don't like Netflix.

00:27:25.060 You don't want to subscribe to it.

00:27:25.940 But I'm just saying, if you do subscribe to Netflix, this is a worthwhile series.

00:27:28.960 But that was another one of these police actions.

00:27:31.200 What are we doing there?

00:27:32.440 Assuming we don't do that.

00:27:34.920 And that's a lesson that we may have to just keep in mind going forward.

00:27:37.860 Right.

00:27:38.060 That's something that, you know, you look at the Democrats.

00:27:41.280 If Democrats see an opportunity to send other people's sons and daughters to die for a war that they themselves would not fight in, but makes them feel good about themselves at Georgetown cocktail parties.

00:27:50.960 Hey, that's the kind of war they want other people fighting.

00:27:54.480 So we have to remember, that's not what we want.

00:27:57.700 That's not what we want to do.

00:27:59.200 But the war of the future is going to be based on technology, material, machinery, and robotics, and AI, and satellite connectivity, and drones.

00:28:09.640 That's very apparent.

00:28:10.740 And I have friends who work in the aerospace and defense sector, and I know people that are involved in the cutting edge of this.

00:28:17.540 And why does that matter for trade?

00:28:19.920 Because that really turns into a, who can make more of the best stuff the fastest at the highest level wins.

00:28:29.540 So it's not just a, oh, China has cheaper labor costs and less environmental regulation, so we should just let them make all of our stuff.

00:28:39.360 Well, if things continue to heat up, remember, this is not stuff you can switch on overnight.

00:28:43.940 If China has all the factories to give us all the stuff for different sectors that are national security dependent, they can turn that spigot off when they want to.

00:28:54.200 And yeah, maybe in a couple of years we could start to catch up, but if we go into a hot war with China in 20 years, or 10 years, or who knows, we're not going to have a few years to play catch up.

00:29:06.140 And that's what Trump and his team are taking into account now as well.

00:29:12.320 I understand there's also the short-term financial impacts, and we'll talk more about this, but there's a clear national security component to the degree, the amount of offshoring that we have for our industrial base.

00:29:24.560 And that's an additional conversation to what do we do for the American middle class, just working Americans trying to pay their bills.

00:29:35.660 You know, what happens for them?

00:29:37.320 What's best for them?

00:29:38.800 How can you create an economy where there are a lot of job opportunities?

00:29:43.460 Of course, illegal immigration plays into this too.

00:29:46.520 Supply and demand in terms of human material is also a real thing, right?

00:29:56.360 You have to look at personnel.

00:29:57.620 That matters.

00:29:58.660 How many people are available for a job?

00:30:00.540 That matters.

00:30:01.700 So all these different pieces come together.

00:30:04.380 But back on the national security piece here, as I said, Stephen Miller laying it down yesterday on Liberation Day.

00:30:11.300 This is cut seven.

00:30:11.980 And so what he's doing today is, for the first time ever, he's saying that if you have stolen our jobs and therefore threatened our national security, we will apply a reciprocal tariff based on the degree of your misconduct.

00:30:23.440 So for countries like China, for example, they will see a very high tariff rate because they've engaged in the most egregious conduct that threatens our national security.

00:30:31.260 For countries that have severe but not as severe misconduct, they'll see a moderate but not as high tariff rate.

00:30:38.200 The effect, though, of those global tariffs will be that companies will have to move their production back into the United States.

00:30:45.520 So factories will leave, whether it be Mexico or Canada or Vietnam or Cambodia or China or the European Union.

00:30:52.520 They will come back to the United States to produce their products to make their goods.

00:30:56.700 And in so doing, yes, it will create jobs.

00:31:00.000 Yes, it will increase revenues.

00:31:01.100 But most importantly, it will restore our national security so that we will not be dependent on anyone else to survive and thrive as a nation.

00:31:08.840 All of these pieces together, they all tie in together.

00:31:15.620 And there, yes, there are competing interests.

00:31:17.600 And yes, this isn't going to be easy from the get go.

00:31:21.480 There's going to be an adjustment period.

00:31:23.260 I don't know how long it will be.

00:31:25.320 And as I've said, you know, if Trump is wrong on this one and the economy has a look, it's not it's not going to be the Great Depression.

00:31:31.800 It's not going to please.

00:31:32.960 I actually think things are going to it's going to be pretty quick.

00:31:34.780 And you're going to have what I would say is the Trump dividend, the Trump bounce back might take until the fall.

00:31:41.620 Maybe it's this summer.

00:31:42.280 I don't know.

00:31:43.240 But once some of this stuff gets cleared out of the system and once they start bringing rates down and there's all these things that can happen, you are going to see.

00:31:50.900 Remember the first Trump?

00:31:51.960 I keep talking about the record.

00:31:53.320 Remember the first Trump economy before covid and before the Democrats because they're psychos use the whole thing or lock everything down and shut down the economy artificially. 0.73

00:32:00.780 Economy from 2016 to 2017, when Trump took office to 2019, was kicking butt, kicking butt and all all the way through.

00:32:12.200 The guy knows what he's doing. 0.74

00:32:14.140 He knows what he's doing on this stuff.

00:32:16.100 I have faith in him and and I think I think all of you do as well.

00:32:21.360 So we'll continue to follow this.

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00:32:26.640 I posted a weird.

00:32:27.360 We actually went to the gym together yesterday, you know, throwing up.

00:32:30.080 I don't know.

00:32:30.560 I wasn't I'm not counting, you know, where Clay and I throwing up four or five hundred pounds on the bench can neither confirm nor deny.

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00:32:54.160 Not yesterday, the day before.

00:32:55.700 I just made some chicken nuggets as a snack during the break.

00:32:57.980 We're here in my home studio.

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00:34:22.060 Sometimes all you can do is laugh and they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang.

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00:34:36.260 Congressman Jim Jordan joins us to talk about everything going on.

00:34:40.320 Congressman, always appreciate you making the time.

00:34:42.820 You bet, Buck.

00:34:43.360 Good to be with you.

00:34:44.600 Can we start?

00:34:45.340 You know what?

00:34:45.700 I want to have you react to this, okay?

00:34:47.660 Over at CNBC, this is cut eight.

00:34:52.740 They are freaking out right now.

00:34:55.700 And I wanted to let you tell everybody how you're feeling about this.

00:34:59.440 But let's play cut eight.

00:35:00.480 This is the situation of the tariff assessment over there.

00:35:03.680 Play it.

00:35:04.020 The market reaction after hours.

00:35:05.920 I've never seen anything like it.

00:35:07.740 This, I think fair to say, is worse than the worst case scenario of the tariffs that many in the market expected the president to impose.

00:35:17.680 And there's some question of how the administration calculated the percentages that they're responding to in each of these cases.

00:35:26.460 Are they adding in value-added taxes?

00:35:28.280 He talked about non-tariff barriers as well.

00:35:31.960 So I think while many were hoping that this would eliminate uncertainty, there's going to be more uncertainty in the market.

00:35:40.160 I think it's worse than the worst case scenario, Jim.

00:35:43.200 What do you make of it?

00:35:44.900 Everyone needs to relax.

00:35:46.540 And you know the thing I keep coming up with, all these foreign countries saying they're going to do this, and talking about how bad it is that President Trump does this, if tariffs are so bad, why don't they just get rid of the tariffs they have on all our products?

00:35:58.440 I mean, that's pretty basic, and frankly, that's the president's argument.

00:36:02.900 Why don't you show us the respect we've shown you?

00:36:05.900 They won't do that.

00:36:06.860 He's saying, okay, we're tired of taking it on the chin.

00:36:09.340 We're tired of manufacturing and leaving this country.

00:36:11.840 I mean, my dad was a union worker for General Motors in Dayton, Ohio.

00:36:15.200 There used to be several plants, GM plants in Dayton.

00:36:18.220 Now there's not.

00:36:19.740 And the auto worker who stood up yesterday with the president, I thought the president's remarks were great.

00:36:24.460 The auto worker who stood up, I think, spoke for so many middle-class, working-class families.

00:36:29.960 Enough of this.

00:36:30.940 Let's try something different.

00:36:33.080 Let's tell them to quit sticking it to us, and let's look out for the interests of the American family, the American worker, and the American economy.

00:36:39.680 So you have faith that this should play out and that the president – I mean, how much of this, in your mind, do you think is just the ongoing negotiation of it before we can even know what it is that's going to be the final dispensation?

00:36:54.280 Of where these different tariff numbers are.

00:36:57.100 No, I think that's a good point.

00:36:58.600 And we all know that the president is a great negotiator.

00:37:02.740 I think he believes in tariffs.

00:37:04.520 He certainly said that.

00:37:05.460 He used tariffs in the past.

00:37:07.060 He used them in his first term.

00:37:08.500 I know he used it on steel, and it benefited manufacturing in our great state, particularly the Whirlpool facility, one of the many Whirlpool facilities in our state.

00:37:18.300 So this shouldn't be a big surprise.

00:37:20.940 He's never had to this degree.

00:37:23.400 But, like, anything worth accomplishing, anything worth really achieving, there's always some effort and some discipline and some toughness involved with getting there.

00:37:31.600 That's just the way life works.

00:37:33.220 I don't think this is any different.

00:37:34.960 But I think the American people see where the president wants to go.

00:37:37.880 Certainly working-class people see where he wants to go.

00:37:40.320 They know what's happened to manufacturing.

00:37:41.780 And I think there's a trust level there with the president.

00:37:45.100 It'll be maybe some difficult times here for a while, but I think we get through it and we come out better on the other side, and that's the whole point.

00:37:51.640 Something else that caught my attention, Congressman, you are the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and you can speak to this.

00:38:00.660 It's internal FBI chat logs showing that the FBI imposed a gag order about the New York Post story on the Hunter Biden laptop the day it came out.

00:38:13.960 Oh, my.

00:38:14.840 Give us these details.

00:38:16.620 Well, first of all, we knew this from a deposition, but this is the first time we've got the documents.

00:38:21.320 So God bless the FBI.

00:38:22.740 This is the night and day difference between what we had before and what we have under Cash Patel and Pam Bondi at the Justice Department.

00:38:28.220 But we had Mr. Brady Olson, one of the guys mentioned in his chat that you can see it.

00:38:32.280 But he told us, he said, yeah, in a meeting that these regular meetings that took place where the FBI would go talk to big tech in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election,

00:38:40.680 and they were prepping them on all.

00:38:41.980 There might be an information operation.

00:38:43.840 It might come from a foreign country.

00:38:45.040 They were prepping them on what they knew could happen because they had the laptop and they knew it was real.

00:38:50.420 One of these meetings, the day that this comes up, is October 14th.

00:38:54.400 It comes up, and someone says, is the laptop real?

00:38:57.060 And the FBI confirms it.

00:38:59.160 Someone spoke out of turn.

00:39:00.420 They quickly get together, get their story straight, and from that point on they say no comment.

00:39:05.120 And then they even have in the chat, the one that stuck out with me was where they said, Twitter is treating this story as disinformation.

00:39:11.900 They treat it as disinformation because you prepped them for that, and you knew it was real.

00:39:17.520 This just demonstrates what we knew all along, that the FBI wasn't being square with the American people.

00:39:23.420 Now, how confident are you in the ability for that entity to be reformed?

00:39:28.840 I know you have a lot of faith in Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino, but they're taking a – it's an unwieldy and problematic operation they're taking over.

00:39:40.260 What are some of the things that you think need to get done over there, not only to clean house internally, but to help restore faith for the American people in a federal law enforcement institution that we need to function at the highest level and without partisan agenda?

00:39:55.300 Yeah, already two things have happened.

00:39:57.880 One, they're beginning to move people out of – a third of the FBI agents were in the D.C. area.

00:40:01.520 Well, that's not where all the crime takes place.

00:40:03.020 I mean, enough takes place in this area, but – so they're moving them out and focusing more on traditional – going after traditional bad guys versus this surveillance on American citizens.

00:40:11.520 So that's one huge step in the right direction that Director Patel and Dana put into place.

00:40:16.840 Second, I just know what we've gotten in the first few weeks that he's been running the FBI.

00:40:21.840 We sent seven subpoenas over there five weeks ago.

00:40:25.040 The response, the documents we're getting is – like I said, it's night and day compared to what we got under Chris Wray, what we got under Merrick Garland at the Justice Department.

00:40:33.340 So there's just two examples of where they're already changing how that place operates, saying we're going to get the truth and we're going to get the facts of the American people, answer the questions that they have, and we're going to put our agents on actually stopping the crime activity that we traditionally associate with the FBI, mafia, organized crime, money laundering, all those things, versus, again, spying on the American people.

00:40:56.920 We're talking to Congressman Jim Jordan from Ohio, and one thing that I think, Congressman, that is interesting to see how President Trump is staying on this and not moving the agenda very much from what he said it would be, the freeze on funding to Maine.

00:41:15.780 Remember there was that little back and forth with the governor of Maine and the president where she was talking tough about, you know, I'll see you in court, and he was like, let's do it.

00:41:24.400 I love court.

00:41:25.240 Let's go to court.

00:41:25.920 And now the Trump administration has freeze funding to Maine for letting trans athletes compete against girls, you know, men, biological men or teenagers competing against girls.

00:41:38.480 It feels like promise made, promise kept on this one.

00:41:40.820 What do you make of it?

00:41:41.780 Yeah.

00:41:42.620 No, this is why the American people appreciate the president.

00:41:45.480 I say this all the time.

00:41:46.700 We make the job too complicated.

00:41:48.100 What did you tell the voters you were going to do when you ran for it?

00:41:50.380 If they elect you, do what you said.

00:41:52.380 And this is president.

00:41:53.460 He told us.

00:41:53.860 It's not like he told us there wasn't going to be a doge effort.

00:41:55.920 It's not like he told us he wasn't going to run that.

00:41:57.880 It's not like he told us he wasn't for tariffs and he was tired of being taken advantage by other countries.

00:42:02.020 And it's not like he told us that, you know, he thinks like the vast majority of Americans that, you know, guys shouldn't be competing against girls in sports.

00:42:09.560 I mean, so he's doing what he said, and I think so many Americans just appreciate that.

00:42:15.580 And he says this all the time, and we've talked about this, Buck, but we're the party of common sense.

00:42:20.200 It's common sense to have a border. 0.99

00:42:22.740 The left's the party of crazy. 0.58

00:42:24.120 It's crazy not to have a border. 0.87

00:42:25.300 It's crazy to say boys should compete against girls in sports.

00:42:28.160 It's crazy to take a plane and a judge say, turn the plane around, bring the bad guys back here who were illegal, part of an organized terrorist organization, the most dangerous gang on the planet.

00:42:41.940 Turn that plane around and bring it back.

00:42:43.440 That's crazy.

00:42:44.040 So the president is all for doing the common sense things that he campaigned on.

00:42:48.600 And one of them was the issue with the governor made, and he's sticking to it, and God bless him for doing it.

00:42:54.120 Do you see this female fencer who took a knee instead of competing against a male opponent?

00:43:02.600 She was disqualified for this. 0.92

00:43:05.420 And I just think that, one, it's a brave thing to do for this young woman to do it, but also it's the right thing to do.

00:43:11.020 People should not, women should not subject themselves to this anymore. 0.86

00:43:13.840 There should be, I think, a campaign to opt.

00:43:15.860 I mean, you were a college athlete.

00:43:17.220 There should be a campaign to opt out.

00:43:19.680 Yeah, I agree.

00:43:21.100 And God bless Riley Gaines and what she's done, the president's executive order that he signed about five, six weeks ago.

00:43:28.200 But you need people who are courageous like this young lady who stood up, or I guess in this situation, she knelt down and said, no, we're not going there.

00:43:37.180 And Riley Gaines, who started this, and others, everyone instinctively knows this is wrong,

00:43:42.940 particularly parents of young ladies who are competing in sports, who are working hard.

00:43:48.020 We had two daughters.

00:43:49.220 Both were athletes. 0.56

00:43:50.980 I mean, it's just ridiculous, and everyone gets it.

00:43:54.440 But if the left wants to defend it from a political standpoint, I don't think it helps them. 0.83

00:43:59.180 Just one more example of the crazy positions the left now takes.

00:44:02.200 Do you think that, and I'm just asking for your sense of it, right?

00:44:06.800 I know that you can't really know, but I'm curious what your perception is of it.

00:44:11.600 Among Democrat House colleagues, you know, when you see how they have to take, what positions they take on this issue of the transgender sports stuff,

00:44:20.960 is it more that they actually believe this, or more that they're just afraid of the crazies within their party who think that this is the new civil rights crusade?

00:44:31.640 It's the latter.

00:44:32.920 It's, you know, it's the old, some politicians, when they get asked a question, it's, yeah, I'm for that next question, please.

00:44:39.000 They just want to move on.

00:44:40.180 They just want to, like, kind of ignore it.

00:44:42.720 But I think it's more of the latter now.

00:44:44.060 There are some, I mean, the hard, I always say not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls their party is.

00:44:50.160 And that's where the energy is in the party.

00:44:51.980 It's the radical left, and they're driving this stuff.

00:44:55.560 So I think many of them just kind of put their head down and move on, don't want to deal with it, and hope the left leaves them alone.

00:45:01.500 But there are some, there are some who truly believe you should just let it happen, which I'm like, that's crazy.

00:45:08.880 It is, crazy is not an example.

00:45:11.220 That is the only way to describe it.

00:45:12.560 It is a non-sane, insane thing to believe.

00:45:18.160 And the fact that this continues on is just, I think, the Democrat Party has to carry this around, and they're not going to be able to win this issue because they're wrong and because they're lying.

00:45:27.160 Well, you know, usually now we'd get to, like, Clay's out today.

00:45:29.920 He's playing golf, you know, as one does.

00:45:31.600 He's having a good time.

00:45:32.780 So usually we'd ask you a sports question.

00:45:34.260 I actually have a nerd question for you, but you know how the budget process and the money stuff works.

00:45:39.620 You mentioned Doge.

00:45:40.700 So, sorry, usually now we'd have some fun, but instead I'm like, let's take out the calculators.

00:45:45.120 By the way, though, you should go with this next time we go.

00:45:47.380 You should go to the NCAA wrestling with this next.

00:45:49.200 It was, there were some boring matches early, but the heavyweight match was.

00:45:52.780 So you've got to come with this next time.

00:45:54.320 Oh, I would love to.

00:45:56.100 You've got to come with this next time we go to that.

00:45:58.100 Yeah, it's a fun time.

00:45:59.600 You know, my primary school in New York, I actually wrote about this on X, used to require everybody in the winter season for sports to do wrestling.

00:46:07.960 And I thought it was a great, it was great.

00:46:11.040 No, I mean it.

00:46:11.620 It was great.

00:46:12.280 Like, it was, we all learned the basics and we had tournaments.

00:46:15.200 And then, Jim, classic, of course, they got rid of it about 10 years after I graduated because people thought it was too violent.

00:46:22.900 You know, there was this whole, oh, the parents, yeah, wrestling was too violent.

00:46:26.060 You know, anyway, it was kind of crazy.

00:46:28.000 Okay, wait, my nerd question.

00:46:29.740 Yes, I'd love to go to the wrestling.

00:46:30.660 Nerd question, though, important.

00:46:32.580 You mentioned Doge.

00:46:33.700 I see all this stuff about the cuts.

00:46:35.320 How much of this is Trump can cut as executive chief and how much of it is Doge identifying where there should be cuts that you and your colleagues in Congress are going to have to figure out in the budget so the money actually gets taken out?

00:46:51.580 Again, it's more of the latter.

00:46:52.840 We're going to have to do a rescission package.

00:46:54.340 Now, the way the rescission package works is the White House sends it to Capitol Hill.

00:46:57.860 So it's different.

00:46:58.400 Normally, all spending and taxing bills obviously start in the Congress, specifically in the House under the Constitution.

00:47:05.540 Taxing and spending is the House of Representatives, the body close to the people.

00:47:08.480 But this is something where you want to rescind money that's already been appropriated. 0.93

00:47:12.120 The White House sends it to Capitol Hill and says, these things are ridiculous.

00:47:16.180 Can you rescind this?

00:47:17.220 And the beauty of a rescission package is you only need 50 votes in the Senate.

00:47:20.880 You don't need to get to the supermajority of 60.

00:47:22.900 So we're waiting for that package.

00:47:24.540 We've been pushing and urging the White House to get us that package.

00:47:27.220 I would have loved to have done this in steps even.

00:47:29.800 Like last week, it would have been nice to have a bill that simply said, no more money goes to NPR.

00:47:34.880 You may have followed this, the lady, Ms. Maher, who testified the CEO.

00:47:38.260 She was terrible.

00:47:39.380 She said it was 87 to 0, 87 Democrat editors at NPR in the D.C. area, zero Republicans, according to one of their journalists who worked there 25 years, who was an award-winning journalist.

00:47:50.680 She did that research and gave that data.

00:47:52.740 And I asked her a question.

00:47:53.700 I said, are you guys unbiased?

00:47:55.020 She goes, we're unbiased.

00:47:55.800 I said, is it 87 to 0?

00:47:57.680 It's not 44 to 43.

00:47:59.680 It's 87 to 0.

00:48:01.360 But they're still up. 0.73

00:48:02.040 I mean, it was ridiculous.

00:48:03.080 So it would have been nice to have a rescission package on that.

00:48:05.920 Just let's just get rid of NPR.

00:48:07.500 Start there and then just keep building.

00:48:09.140 But I think the White House is going to put it together in a bigger package.

00:48:12.220 They send it to us, and then we have a vote.

00:48:14.440 Any sense on when that might be, just roughly time-wise?

00:48:17.620 I am hoping sooner rather than, I mean, we keep urging the White House to do it.

00:48:22.260 I know some of my colleagues have talked to Russ Vodan, O&B.

00:48:25.860 So we want it as soon as possible.

00:48:27.640 I don't know exactly when that's in, but they keep telling us they're working on it, putting it together.

00:48:32.520 Conks and Jim Jordan.

00:48:33.420 Oh, wait, one, because, you know, Clay would want me to ask you this.

00:48:36.260 Who's going to win the March Madness thing?

00:48:39.320 You know, I followed a little last week when it was, you know, 3-16, lead eight.

00:48:43.700 I kind of like the Florida team, but, I mean, they're all-

00:48:46.180 There we go.

00:48:46.900 Who knows?

00:48:47.340 I kind of like the Florida team.

00:48:47.860 You're joining the Clay and Buck choice.

00:48:49.920 We both picked Florida to win, so there we go.

00:48:51.740 Perfect.

00:48:52.140 I didn't know that.

00:48:53.080 Yeah.

00:48:53.520 I kind of liked them when I watched them play, and, you know, I was kind of hoping for Michigan State,

00:48:58.740 kind of sticking with the Big Ten.

00:48:59.640 My wife is a Gator, and I have a baby coming next week.

00:49:02.420 So, you know, happy wife, especially happy wife with new babies. 0.99

00:49:05.000 So, we go Gators around this house, for sure.

00:49:08.020 Congressman Jim Jordan, always appreciate you, man.

00:49:09.960 Thanks for making the time.

00:49:11.640 You bet, Buck.

00:49:12.220 Take care.

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00:49:24.580 Think about that for a second.

00:49:25.680 I mean, do you have the energy you need, or are you feeling like you have, you're getting everything done,

00:49:30.280 you don't need naps, you're not all that tired?

00:49:32.020 I've gone through it myself, where I need naps, and I feel like my energy is at a low.

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00:49:55.240 I feel better and better.

00:49:56.700 And proper supplements, definitely a part of this package for me.

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00:51:31.020 Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee joins us.

00:51:35.820 Senator, always good to talk to you.

00:51:37.060 Thanks for being here.

00:51:39.000 It is always so good to talk to you.

00:51:41.480 Thanks so much for having me on.

00:51:43.260 A bunch of issues.

00:51:45.000 Wanted to get your latest analysis on.

00:51:48.920 Judiciary hearings, drug seizures at the border.

00:51:52.260 We're going to get into that momentarily.

00:51:53.680 But first, I know that Tennessee, your home state, has been hit with some really scary storms.

00:52:01.060 And there's been some loss of life.

00:52:02.240 What can you tell us about these tornadoes and the efforts to get help to those who need it?

00:52:07.360 Yes.

00:52:07.800 We know that they have touched down in a couple of counties.

00:52:11.520 Hardiman County and McNary County, the town of Selmer, has been the hardest hit.

00:52:18.520 They have lost six lives.

00:52:21.160 And I know our governor and the Tennessee Emergency Management, my team, they've all been out this morning.

00:52:28.680 And they're working hard to help people recover and to do a damage assessment.

00:52:34.980 But McNary County, Tennessee, really caught the brunt of it last night.

00:52:40.680 And we certainly are praying for those individuals.

00:52:43.780 And then we've got a lot of flooding that is taking place in the middle Tennessee area.

00:52:51.140 And continuing to watch that.

00:52:53.380 It should be raining for another eight hours or so.

00:52:56.580 And then we'll be able to do a better damage assessment.

00:53:00.500 Is there a need, Senator, for coordination with the Trump administration, the federal government, on some of the efforts to get help?

00:53:08.420 Or is the state of Tennessee mostly handling?

00:53:10.780 Well, we did the disaster declaration last night during the night.

00:53:15.760 And President Trump went ahead and approved that.

00:53:18.340 So those resources are being surged into the area now.

00:53:22.620 And we're really grateful to the president for taking such swift action on that and coordinating with our state.

00:53:31.860 All right, Senator.

00:53:32.840 Well, thoughts and prayers go to everybody in your state affected by this.

00:53:35.640 And we know that you and President Trump and also Tennessee Emergency Services are on it.

00:53:40.980 I had a friend who just moved to Nashville and was surprised at how these tornadoes rolled in.

00:53:46.860 And it really rattled a lot of people.

00:53:48.720 So, anyway, thoughts and prayers go to them.

00:53:51.080 And we'll be thinking about the folks at Tennessee.

00:53:54.120 Tell us about this judiciary hearing on universal injunctions.

00:53:57.940 This seems to be clearly the universal injunctions, one of the primary obstruction tools that have been used against the Trump agenda so far.

00:54:08.640 What came out of these hearings and what do you think comes next on this issue?

00:54:12.920 One of the things that really was so apparent on this is how the Democrats have not been able to get what they want in the ballot box.

00:54:22.760 They've not been able to get what they want legislatively.

00:54:26.840 And they really were sent a message on November 5th that they did not like.

00:54:32.720 So now they have turned to the judiciary.

00:54:35.220 And time and again, as we heard from the witnesses, there is absolutely no constitutional or statutory authority for a district judge to issue a nationwide injunction.

00:54:52.540 And a district judge is constrained by the case in front of him and the district in which he is seated.

00:54:59.880 And he cannot go outside of that.

00:55:04.860 And so it just showed up, showed how the Democrats are trying to politicize the courts, this time to get their way, which is to stop President Trump's agenda.

00:55:16.960 And in the month of February, these activist judges issued 15 universal injunctions against Trump.

00:55:28.580 And during Biden's entire administration for years, there were only 14 against Biden in total.

00:55:37.140 Now, what do you think should happen or what are you hoping will happen next on this?

00:55:42.940 The Supreme Court, I would assume, has to has to weigh in.

00:55:46.380 So it feels like for a lot of us, are we just in a in a wait and see mode for there to be some sanity restored to this process?

00:55:53.580 What happens next?

00:55:54.540 Well, we do have legislation and having the bill that would clarify that the judge cannot go outside of his district in in making a ruling that helps to elevate this issue, because Justice Roberts, Chief Justice Roberts is going to have to weigh in on this.

00:56:16.380 And the Supreme Court is going to have to weigh in on this issue.

00:56:21.700 But we think it is a valid point and something that is necessary to point out that this authority does not exist with these federal district judges.

00:56:36.820 And again, it points out the importance of having good constitutional jurists on the bench.

00:56:44.120 Also yesterday, Senator, there was a hearing, Senate hearing with the CEO, the current CEO of Boeing.

00:56:53.960 You know, a lot of people are much more attuned to air safety than they have been in a while, given some of the very unfortunate situations, both including some fatal accidents, but also some near misses that have been happening.

00:57:06.880 I know this specifically was focused on the 737 MAX 9 jet incident and some other very high profile aviation aviation issues.

00:57:18.520 But what happened at Boeing?

00:57:20.340 I mean, that's I think a lot of people just curious.

00:57:22.120 This used to be considered a great American company with incredible safety procedures, incredibly innovative.

00:57:27.620 And there's been a loss of confidence in Boeing as a as a corporation.

00:57:32.760 What did the CEO tell you?

00:57:34.380 What do people need to know about how how this company and just airline safety in general is getting the focus that it needs?

00:57:41.180 Well, and on airline safety, we have all been very concerned about that and are pushing the FAA to make certain that they are hiring people that are qualified to be or be air traffic controllers.

00:57:57.380 And last year, because of DEI requirements, they had a thousand people that were qualified, but they did not take them because they didn't meet certain DEI requirements.

00:58:10.820 Now, on Boeing, I think that many of us have just been disappointed with how they've taken their eye off the ball, seemingly, when it comes to safety.

00:58:23.940 And they I talked to with the CEO yesterday in my time of questioning about how their culture at the company just seemed to have eroded.

00:58:36.980 And there was not that trust among the employees and the leadership.

00:58:42.400 And then also the lack of protection that was given to whistleblowers because whistleblowers had been fired.

00:58:51.420 They had been isolated.

00:58:53.480 And what we need if they had been heeding what these whistleblowers were saying, maybe that would have helped with not having this diminished work culture.

00:59:07.660 And maybe they would not have taken their eye off the safety provisions that they should be meeting every single day as a guarantee to the flying public.

00:59:18.640 We're speaking to Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Senator the one of the areas where the Trump administration right out of the gate has shown just incredible results is the reduction in illegal entries in the United States.

00:59:34.540 There's also been a substantial reduction in the illegal importation of drugs like fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, all the rest of it.

00:59:42.540 But you have raised you and along with your colleague, Senator Ted Cruz, have raised that there was an effort that previously existed to add to the current, you know, the current efforts to stop the drugs from flowing into the country that involve interdiction at transit hubs and that Biden, the Biden administration turned this off.

01:00:04.880 Can you tell us about what this program was and and what would it take to get it going again?

01:00:08.940 Yes. And this was a program that was suspended.

01:00:14.800 It was a DEA program and it is called consensual encounters and it allowed DEA agents to inspect and conduct interdiction efforts in transit hubs.

01:00:30.540 And we're trying to restore that. Now, let me just give you the Nashville airport as an example.

01:00:36.720 If you take the period of time from 2022 to 24, then they apprehended 33 kilograms of fentanyl pills, 16 kilograms of fentanyl powder and over 1500 kilograms of marijuana as they were conducting these interdictions.

01:00:58.860 And the DOJ's inspector general had concluded that the Biden administration DEA was not following these policies that are put in place.

01:01:14.740 And we should be using every federal agency and everything that we have in order to conduct these searches and to keep these drugs from coming into the country.

01:01:30.000 Is there anything else that you would like to see on the congressional, specifically Senate side, the congressional side to help with border related efforts?

01:01:39.140 Is there anything else that as a member of Congress, you could help get done?

01:01:43.980 Because it's great what Trump has done so far, but feels like legislation could always help or maybe in this case it could help.

01:01:50.720 Well, we do need legislation because we need to codify the actions of the president and we need to make certain that we go back to building the wall so that we deter that entry on the southern border. 0.50

01:02:05.880 And we have to turn our attention to the northern border with Canada.

01:02:10.380 When you look at the amount of fentanyl that was apprehended, not by Canadian mounted police, but by the U.S. Border Patrol up there on that northern border, it was enough to kill nearly 50 million people.

01:02:27.780 And we know that the drug traffickers are now changing their route and they're going up to the Canadian border and then coming back down into the U.S.

01:02:41.320 So it is imperative that we look at what is going to happen there with securing that border.

01:02:48.580 And I think that you will see us push more for these programs that will help us to secure this country.

01:02:59.760 And bear in mind, when we secure the border and you curb illegal entry, and thank goodness we are now at the lowest levels it's been in two decades,

01:03:10.380 then Border Patrol has the opportunity to do more work at the ports of entry and to stop the transit of some of these drugs that have been making their way into the country.

01:03:25.360 Senator Blackburn, always appreciate you making time for us here on Clay and Buck. Thank you so much.

01:03:30.220 Absolutely. Thank you. Bye now.

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