Verdict with Ted Cruz - Extra： Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 16 2025

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00:00:19.940 Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of the Clay, Travis, and Buck Sexton Show.

00:00:26.120 It is just going to be me today, and I'm sorry to say, you will pick it up in my voice.

00:00:31.480 I have a cold, no surprise.

00:00:33.820 I stayed out until 10 p.m. one night like a crazy man. 0.80

00:00:37.820 10 o'clock Eastern, nuts.

00:00:40.040 How can you do that, Buck?

00:00:41.060 Well, it was my Christmas party, but now I'm paying the price.

00:00:44.060 I have gotten the cold that has been ripping around Florida and I guess probably the whole East Coast.

00:00:50.260 And also, we have Clay out today because his uncle passed away.

00:00:58.240 So he is going to his uncle Kenneth, 84 years old, a Vietnam War vet, Clay's mother's brother, sadly passed away.

00:01:09.300 It was something that they knew was likely imminent, but it's always, always so difficult when you lose a family member.

00:01:18.660 It's Clay's mom's only sibling.

00:01:20.180 So Clay is at the service today, and I am here helming the show solo as a result.

00:01:26.860 We do have a lot of news to get to.

00:01:29.280 I apologize if my voice breaks at some point when I'm talking about it, but I am going to be hydrating with as much Crockett coffee as I possibly can.

00:01:36.420 Maybe I need to start making Crockett tea, but that's something we'll work on.

00:01:40.780 So we have updates on a few things that I wanted to spend time with you on.

00:01:46.780 The big stories, the Brown University shooting, Secretary of War Hegseth responding to another strike.

00:01:55.220 This one of the Eastern Pacific, think off the coast of Mexico, Eastern Pacific blowing up more of those drug boats. 0.89

00:02:03.100 As that continues, the border situation and the realities of national security with an open border, a conversation that I want to have a lot of people going to outrage level 11 on Trump's comments on Rob Reiner.

00:02:18.260 You know, I don't know what they think they're going to accomplish by making this a huge thing, but there's a lot of reaction.

00:02:28.760 This has become now the anti-Trump story of the week, it seems, is the Trump truth about Rob Reiner.

00:02:37.020 And we've got some Trump comments from yesterday in the Oval Office, also on health care, on a whole range of things.

00:02:43.820 So, oh, and I mentioned the Bondi Beach shooting.

00:02:46.560 We have some updates on that for you as well, on the perpetrators of that.

00:02:51.420 So we have a very busy show, something I thought was interesting.

00:02:56.480 Look, there are a lot of people out there right now who, in the commentary sphere, who have a approach where they just say the most outlandish thing, usually the fastest or the first.

00:03:10.000 And then if it turns out to be totally wrong, who cares?

00:03:13.080 People paid attention when they did, and then they just move on.

00:03:17.320 We try to do something different here where we do forward-leaning analysis.

00:03:20.580 We'll say, okay, this is where I think something is likely to go, but here's the evidence, here's the proof, here's my level of certainty or lack thereof.

00:03:30.060 With just essentially total honesty.

00:03:32.180 I mean, I speak, and Clay, when we're here on this show together, I speak to you in the same way.

00:03:38.320 This is actually how I was trained to do radio.

00:03:41.480 Going back to when I worked for Glenn Beck at The Blaze, Glenn told me this.

00:03:45.940 His program director, Don Theodore, told me this.

00:03:48.560 They said, you are talking to a dear and trusted friend.

00:03:52.680 That is radio, and that is what we do every day.

00:03:55.720 I talk to you the same way that I speak to my brothers, who I talk to pretty much every day, my parents, Carrie, about these issues, right?

00:04:05.080 About these issues.

00:04:06.680 And that means that when I think something is, you know, tingling my spidey sense, I'll tell you, and that if it turns out not to be the case, well then, all right, fine.

00:04:17.980 For example, when I was doing the terrorism analysis, and I've done a lot of on-air terrorism analysis in the past, particularly actually at CNN, although Fox News as well, and in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack, sometimes while it's even still unfolding in part, I've had to say, this is what I think is happening.

00:04:37.440 And I've never been really wrong.

00:04:39.840 I haven't been always spot on, but I've never been so off that I felt like, oh my gosh, I missed that.

00:04:45.440 And generally, I nail it, dead center of the bullseye, just saying.

00:04:49.100 More often than not, that has been the case.

00:04:52.280 Something was worth bringing up with you yesterday, and I still can't entirely verify this, but there is more pushing in that direction.

00:05:04.280 Something very weird is going on here where the Brown University shooting, and just in case you aren't aware, Brown University is maybe for a, quote, elite school, and we're going to talk about this whole notion of elite institutions and elite schools later on.

00:05:23.480 But an incredible piece on DEI over the last decade and what it has done to these places was written in a tablet magazine.

00:05:34.140 Incredible piece, which I want to get to.

00:05:36.360 Basically destroyed.

00:05:37.280 The notion of these places are prestigious is a joke now to anybody who's paying attention.

00:05:40.380 But Brown University may be the most left-wing, it's the most left-wing Ivy League school, and I think proudly so, and it's among the most left-wing universities in the country, just as context.

00:05:54.060 So, when you have somebody on that campus, Ella Cook in this case, who was targeted and was killed, you, what is the chance, this is a coincidence, that she is the vice president of the college Republicans, that had nothing to do with that?

00:06:14.640 Maybe.

00:06:15.260 And like I said, if it turns out there's no connection whatsoever, well, then I'll come back and say, hey, guys, we're leaning in this direction.

00:06:23.340 Didn't report it as fact.

00:06:25.200 I'm just saying this is where the analysis is leading me.

00:06:28.700 But Mark Halpern, who is a reliable source in his media reporting, I cannot think of a time, certainly in recent years, when Halpern face-planted on something.

00:06:42.640 I think he usually is, he was very good.

00:06:45.280 He was the only left-of-center guy who, the only Democrat, really, who nailed the Trump election, this last Trump election, and was telling people for months, we were playing him on the show because I was saying, see, he knows Trump's going to absolutely destroy the competition.

00:06:59.320 But here he is saying that he has been told, so again, this is a little bit like a game of telephone, this is a third-hand source now, not even second-hand, but he has been told that the Brown University attack was targeting Ella Cook, a prominent conservative on campus.

00:07:18.180 Play cut two.

00:07:18.700 People are telling me that the family of Ella Cook, the Alabama young woman who was a sophomore, has been told that she was the target of what happened at Brown.

00:07:27.900 I have no idea whether that's true.

00:07:30.120 There's other theories about why the person did what they did.

00:07:32.700 But now that we don't know who the assailant is, it's going to be harder to say.

00:07:37.040 But if it's true that she was targeted, that's a big story because she was one of the most visible conservatives on that campus. 0.94

00:07:43.400 Don't know that it's true, but probably most of you don't even know that that's being alleged because you'd have to follow certain accounts on X or have sources, as I do, who are telling me that.

00:07:54.240 So, like I said, it certainly would be very coincidental that a prominent conservative, a known conservative on a campus that is also among the most radical left-wing campuses in the entire country, doesn't, they don't have grades there.

00:08:11.080 I don't know if you know this.

00:08:12.500 I had an aunt who went to Brown many decades ago.

00:08:15.660 She wouldn't like me saying many decades, but decades ago, I had an aunt who went to Brown.

00:08:19.720 They don't do grades.

00:08:20.800 And so it's a kind of a woo-woo left-wing place.

00:08:28.120 I bring that up only because not a lot of conservatives there, okay, even for a college campus.

00:08:33.580 Very rare.

00:08:34.500 So you're whittling down.

00:08:35.740 You're looking at the percentages.

00:08:36.840 You're whittling down the coincidence factor here piece by piece.

00:08:42.180 Then there's something else that makes me think about this.

00:08:47.100 The gunman said something.

00:08:51.660 The gunman said something.

00:08:53.820 And the Providence police chief, this is cut five, Oscar Perez, will not tell the, they're still looking for the guy.

00:09:01.540 They haven't found him.

00:09:02.440 There's like photo of him out there that they've released.

00:09:05.020 He's stocky build.

00:09:06.080 They won't say what he said.

00:09:11.400 Play five.

00:09:12.100 There's a report the shooter yelled something right before his shot came in.

00:09:17.020 Could you tell us what that was?

00:09:19.280 Yeah, it's part of the investigation, John.

00:09:21.300 And we'll, yeah.

00:09:21.920 The only reason I ask that, though, is, for instance, like with the Unabomber, his brother recognized the writing.

00:09:29.640 So it's possible a friend or family member might recognize if the person said something that was significant.

00:09:39.020 Other than the 9mm, is there anything else inside that auditorium that you could tell us?

00:09:44.900 No, that's correct.

00:09:45.540 And listen, like I said earlier, investigations will bring us to evidence that we need to collect in order to be able to prosecute.

00:09:53.640 But with that being said, with that being said, we're going to continue to collect evidence.

00:09:59.680 And if it leads us to something to that nature that's going to be extremely helpful for us to identify somebody, we'll be the first ones to put it out.

00:10:06.520 Did the suspect yell like has been reported in this, but some erroneous reporting, but did he yell in a human classroom?

00:10:14.380 And how valuable have witness statements been from those who survived?

00:10:19.440 Listen, my heart goes out to the victims.

00:10:21.280 It goes out to the families.

00:10:22.700 And I'll tell you that their cooperation has been extremely helpful.

00:10:29.080 And with that being said, we'll continue.

00:10:30.740 And I'm going to respect the fact that and I hope that they get better.

00:10:33.440 And my heart and soul goes out to them.

00:10:35.100 So that's something that we're investigating.

00:10:38.440 We took statements and we have to confirm that.

00:10:41.540 He knows that they yelled something or that the guy yelled something.

00:10:45.260 He knows.

00:10:46.520 He knows what was yelled to.

00:10:48.080 Oh, what a witness to the shooting who almost died himself or herself is going to make it up.

00:10:54.520 So we know that something was yelled again going into my is this just a totally random act or is this a targeted political killing?

00:11:06.260 Essentially, another assassination on a college campus, because that's what targeting a prominent conservative on a left wing campus would constitute.

00:11:16.560 I don't know if that's what this is, but I do know that there are some things happening here that make me think that is increasingly likely.

00:11:28.440 Why can't he tell us what was shouted?

00:11:31.040 This is a bit like when I went on TV to talk about the national the shooting of those two National Guard soldiers in D.C.

00:11:38.280 I was told it wasn't confirmed.

00:11:42.740 So I didn't want to say it on the air, but I was told by sources in the military that he yelled Allahu Akbar.

00:11:47.860 You pretty much know what you're dealing with when someone's killing someone and they yell Allahu Akbar.

00:11:52.900 Right.

00:11:53.100 So what did this guy yell?

00:11:56.080 By the way, I'm not saying it was a lot of walk bar.

00:11:57.860 I'm just saying sometimes what they yell when they're shooting somebody is a big clue as to what happened here and why they did it.

00:12:05.760 Why isn't law enforcement telling us?

00:12:08.840 I think because.

00:12:11.660 It's very possible, I should say, that it is because.

00:12:15.800 They don't they don't like what the implication is of what was said.

00:12:20.260 Providence, very left wing town, Rhode Island, very left wing state.

00:12:25.660 Democrats run the whole thing top to bottom.

00:12:28.200 Do you think that the system there wants to deal with the fact that there may have been a high profile again, if this was the case, a high profile assassination on a college campus of another conservative mere months after the assassination of Charlie Kirk?

00:12:43.520 No, they recognize the problems that that would constitute.

00:12:47.380 So we'll continue to follow this.

00:12:49.840 We don't have this the shooter in custody yet.

00:12:52.200 They still haven't been able to find him.

00:12:54.500 Seems like some level of real incompetence here at work with the Providence Police Department.

00:13:00.160 But they haven't been able to find this individual, this shooter.

00:13:02.940 And perhaps there's, you know, it could be it could have had a personal grudge.

00:13:09.000 You know, it could have been for all we could be any number of things.

00:13:13.080 And I understand that.

00:13:14.380 But I just as we move along here, the delay from law enforcement in telling us what was said added to the fact that this happened to be a prominent conservative on campus.

00:13:25.640 Because it's certainly worth noting, isn't it?

00:13:28.200 And if we find out that my theory here, based on the facts, that this does come true, as in this is where I'm leaning, I haven't said this is what happened, but where I'm leaning comes to pass.

00:13:41.800 And we'll know that they played political games with this.

00:13:45.440 We'll know.

00:13:46.400 And that's why it's worth saying this now, so that you know and we know that we understand what has gone on here.

00:13:52.740 But we have to see where the facts take us.

00:13:56.280 We have to see what the assailant, the alleged murderer here, well, who was he and what was he all about?

00:14:06.360 But we'll continue to follow this because I'm starting to get that, oh, they don't want people to know what really happened here vibe.

00:14:15.220 I'm starting to get that in a big way.

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00:16:13.060 Welcome into the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

00:16:19.480 So, first hour, we did a deep dive into the Brown University shooting

00:16:22.900 and how indicators are looking like this is a political assassination

00:16:30.420 and there are things pointing in the direction of an Islamist, jihadist ideology behind it.

00:16:40.100 That is not confirmed.

00:16:41.540 That is just where the facts currently are pointing.

00:16:45.280 Could change.

00:16:47.060 Just like how they arrested the wrong suspect and the guy had nothing to do with it, right?

00:16:50.480 Things change, we tell you.

00:16:52.900 But we already know for sure that the Bondi Beach attack, which occurred over the weekend,

00:16:58.220 I believe 15 were killed in that.

00:17:02.800 The Bondi Beach attack was definitely jihadism.

00:17:06.480 Definitely Islamic radicalism. 1.00

00:17:10.240 One thing that's always interesting to note about Islamic radicals, 1.00

00:17:13.060 they don't think that they're radicals.

00:17:15.160 They just think they're the real ones.

00:17:17.060 The real Muslims. 0.99

00:17:17.780 They always say it.

00:17:19.780 In fact, they, and Al-Qaeda did this, has done this a number of times,

00:17:24.960 and this really came to prominence in the earlier phase of the GWAT, the global war on terror,

00:17:31.880 when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and AQI, Al-Qaeda in Iraq,

00:17:36.680 which actually broke away from Al-Qaeda proper,

00:17:39.540 and Al-Qaeda thought that AQI was being too violent, believe it or not, toward Muslims, 0.98

00:17:47.360 because Zarqawi was a psychopath. 0.99

00:17:49.560 I mean, he was a sadist. 0.97

00:17:51.380 And there was a sense that they were killing too many non-believers, 0.99

00:17:58.440 sorry, too many Muslims who were just not good enough Muslims. 0.96

00:18:01.880 This is the Takfiri doctrine, you know? 1.00

00:18:05.000 So you are cast out if you are Takfir. 1.00

00:18:08.280 So we've seen that before as well. 0.97

00:18:13.320 Here in this case, you have these Muslims attacking Jews, 1.00

00:18:21.400 and that is not, unfortunately, a surprise or a rarity in these kinds of attacks, 0.95

00:18:28.260 targeting Jews at a Hanukkah celebration.

00:18:29.980 And it is very obvious these guys had ISIS flags at home.

00:18:36.540 There's a father and son team.

00:18:37.980 The father was killed.

00:18:39.000 The son is in the hospital with wounds.

00:18:42.100 It was a father and son team. 0.95

00:18:43.840 They wanted to kill as many people as possible.

00:18:47.240 I have a few things I want to talk about with this.

00:18:49.740 One is the police response,

00:18:51.140 and then also a little bit about the training and possible support that these guys got.

00:18:57.480 The police response was abysmal.

00:18:59.980 The police station was close.

00:19:02.420 The police station was not far away at all,

00:19:05.980 and police were able to get there very quickly.

00:19:10.880 The problem is the police were useless, at least some of the police who arrived.

00:19:15.160 A number of them on video, unfortunately caught on video for them, 0.99

00:19:18.880 were female officers who were completely useless and did nothing. 1.00

00:19:22.780 You know, this is where there's a whole conversation to be had about the role of women in law enforcement. 1.00

00:19:32.920 Now, there are some great female cops out there. 1.00

00:19:35.000 I get it.

00:19:35.520 I don't want you all calling in right now and yelling at me.

00:19:37.560 But in an era where we are increasingly told that cops are not allowed to use lethal force,

00:19:44.000 except in the most clear-cut circumstances, but have to use force, meaning wrestle,

00:19:51.440 meaning use their arms and maybe their knees to do takedowns and stuff,

00:19:58.100 women are at a disadvantage. 1.00

00:20:00.360 It's just true.

00:20:01.380 It's obvious.

00:20:02.640 Women are at a disadvantage. 1.00

00:20:03.640 And if I'm a bad guy and a guy gets out of the car and then a woman gets out of the car, 1.00

00:20:12.820 I know which one I'm going to try to wrestle and maybe get a gun from first, obviously.

00:20:18.460 Can we just speak about these things as though we all know what's going on?

00:20:21.880 Because that's what's happening.

00:20:23.940 So that is true.

00:20:25.340 It doesn't mean that there's not a role for women in law enforcement. 1.00

00:20:27.200 I'm not saying that.

00:20:27.940 I'm just saying we need to stop living in this fantasy that is pushed on us by the media

00:20:33.860 and by Hollywood where 120-pound women with the right jujitsu lock are going to be able to wrestle. 1.00

00:20:42.980 No, false.

00:20:43.960 Wrong. 0.98

00:20:44.800 They can shoot somebody for sure. 0.98

00:20:46.640 You have a much better chance of telling me, well, look, they can shoot just – 0.99

00:20:50.460 by the way, there are a lot of women who can shoot the flies off a gnat at 100 yards. 1.00

00:20:55.440 Way better shots than me.

00:20:56.620 I'm not a great shot at all.

00:20:57.940 I'm not disparaging women's ability to shoot at all, but I'm just saying if you're telling people in law enforcement

00:21:03.780 don't shoot unless you have absolutely no choice, you've got to try to wrestle the suspect,

00:21:08.460 you've got to try to get the knife out of his hand, you've got – women are at a disadvantage. 1.00

00:21:12.680 Women are at a disadvantage, just the way it is. 1.00

00:21:16.420 And notice how for some of you that's going to – and maybe even some of the female law enforcement listening, 0.82

00:21:20.380 that might trigger people a little bit.

00:21:22.880 That might be a little – it's true.

00:21:25.440 We have to say what's true.

00:21:26.680 This is obvious. 0.91

00:21:29.080 Just like I was saying in the last hour, radical Islam is the biggest problem when it comes to terrorism 1.00

00:21:34.100 and people trying to undermine civilization through violence and a theocratic totalitarianism. 0.90

00:21:41.020 By far the biggest problem in the world of that type.

00:21:44.760 Nothing else even close.

00:21:45.720 So, again, we say the things that we know to be true.

00:21:50.320 So the police response was abysmal.

00:21:53.020 And now they're saying that they're going to get – this is the New South Wales Premier.

00:21:59.140 That's a state and province, I guess, or whatever they call them there in Australia,

00:22:03.900 saying they're going to get the toughest gun laws.

00:22:06.000 Play 29.

00:22:06.480 Please.

00:22:12.160 Do we have cut 29?

00:22:13.360 Our approach to this terrible crime in New South Wales is multifaceted.

00:22:21.240 But I want to make it clear that our efforts to, firstly, work with the New South Wales Police

00:22:26.840 on counterterrorism efforts continue.

00:22:29.420 Secondly, fighting anti-Semitism in our community, which will not be done in a week or a month,

00:22:34.820 but is a long-term important project for the Government of New South Wales,

00:22:38.980 working with civic leaders and the people of this state.

00:22:41.360 Thirdly, gun law reform in New South Wales, with legislation brought into the New South Wales Parliament

00:22:48.720 to make gun laws tougher in this state.

00:22:52.160 I'm determined to bring in the toughest gun laws in Australia,

00:22:56.360 and they'll be significantly tightened in New South Wales.

00:22:59.800 How are you going to tighten?

00:23:01.160 How are you going to make gun laws tougher?

00:23:03.540 Someone explain that to me.

00:23:05.620 And how would that have stopped this?

00:23:07.440 There are millions of guns in circulation currently in Australia.

00:23:11.980 Are you going to do another buyback?

00:23:13.460 A buyback that resulted in even more guns in circulation?

00:23:19.040 This is an absurdity.

00:23:21.640 And if you're wondering how absurd it is, think about this.

00:23:24.700 It's not like these guys couldn't have pulled this off,

00:23:27.200 or even something far worse, without guns at all.

00:23:29.900 The problem is the person, okay?

00:23:32.680 The problem is the terrorist.

00:23:34.160 The Israelis have understood this for a long time with their security practices.

00:23:38.100 It's not about a tool.

00:23:40.080 A gun is a tool.

00:23:43.000 The problem is somebody who thinks to himself,

00:23:46.040 I'm going to find people of a religion that I hate, 1.00

00:23:50.520 because I've largely been trained by my culture and my ideology to hate them, 0.76

00:23:55.580 and I'm going to try to get them when they are absolutely helpless,

00:23:58.440 and when they're supposed to be having joy and be with family, 1.00

00:24:00.460 and I'm going to murder as many of them as possible, 1.00

00:24:02.380 because I have convinced myself in some demonic inversion of morality 1.00

00:24:10.600 that that is a righteous thing to do.

00:24:13.740 The problem is that person.

00:24:16.440 The problem is the jihadist in this instance, 0.97

00:24:19.160 and they could have done this very, very much using vehicles,

00:24:25.220 and that has been done in the past,

00:24:27.380 with far worse casualties than what we saw here, I might add.

00:24:31.540 So what are you going to do?

00:24:33.300 Are you going to have further car restrictions?

00:24:36.600 Are you going to have these gun restrictions?

00:24:37.840 They could build a bomb,

00:24:38.800 or they could do what they've done in the U.K. and so many other places, 0.98

00:24:41.140 run around stabbing people. 0.98

00:24:43.060 You get somebody who is crazy enough and gets a big kitchen knife, 0.99

00:24:46.760 they can kill 10 people before the cops can do anything about it. 0.99

00:24:50.300 And that's with a knife. 1.00

00:24:51.840 In the U.K., they're so silly, so unserious on security matters, 0.99

00:24:56.180 that they're talking about banning knives. 0.99

00:24:57.780 That's great.

00:24:58.620 Everyone's going to be sitting there chopping up their steak with spoons.

00:25:02.380 We can't make these kinds of concessions to the barbarians. 1.00

00:25:06.840 We can't decide that our own society doesn't get,

00:25:10.260 and this brings me right into the Second Amendment in this country,

00:25:14.260 the bad people, the demons,

00:25:16.320 don't get to decide how I live my life or how I defend myself.

00:25:20.860 They don't get that vote.

00:25:23.320 And unfortunately, in Australia, it seems increasingly,

00:25:25.320 they want to give the demons that vote.

00:25:27.860 They want to give the evildoers that capability.

00:25:31.200 Now, these guys, it seems also very likely,

00:25:36.140 were trained up by a jihadist group.

00:25:38.280 Some of you saw, there's video making the rounds.

00:25:41.280 The guy does maneuver his, you know,

00:25:43.300 he maneuvers in the reloading of his rifle with some efficiency.

00:25:47.840 This isn't like ninja stuff.

00:25:49.800 It doesn't take years and years of practice.

00:25:51.500 You know, you get enough time out on a range.

00:25:54.140 Anybody can learn to reload and fire a rifle,

00:25:56.960 especially innocent old ladies and kids walking around. 1.00

00:25:59.880 This isn't something that requires some hard-to-come-by skill set.

00:26:04.620 But you're going to see more about this.

00:26:08.720 It looks like these guys trained in the southern Philippines.

00:26:13.400 And that brings us to yet another realm of jihadism.

00:26:22.320 Separate from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front,

00:26:25.480 people will probably talk about that.

00:26:27.380 Because it's the MILF, yes, the MILF terrorist group.

00:26:33.600 The MILF had essentially a negotiated end with the Philippine government.

00:26:43.940 So it's actually offshoots of the MILF.

00:26:47.660 The MILF is really a separatist group more than anything else.

00:26:52.620 The ones that you have to look for now are the Islamic State affiliate in the area,

00:26:59.640 the Abu Sayyaf group.

00:27:01.120 They've been doing terrible things for a long time.

00:27:02.960 And the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, the B-I-F-F, 0.99

00:27:07.040 they're breakaway from the MILF.

00:27:09.640 So there are these jihadist entities that operate in the southern Philippines.

00:27:15.860 So that is where these guys had traveled recently,

00:27:20.400 according to Australian police.

00:27:23.420 Spent most of November in the Philippines.

00:27:25.880 This has been confirmed, by the way.

00:27:28.380 Quote, it remains unclear what they were doing there.

00:27:30.980 I don't think it's going to be that unclear for long.

00:27:36.720 Their final destination was Davao, a city on the southern island of Mindanao.

00:27:45.200 ISIS troops held a siege in a different city on Mindanao in 2017.

00:27:50.560 This is a hotbed of Islamic radicalism. 1.00

00:27:54.900 I can tell you that when we used to do the counterterrorism work in New York, 0.72

00:28:00.020 a lot of the bad guys who wanted to blow up the subways or blow up a synagogue,

00:28:05.040 and those are usually what the plots are,

00:28:06.420 just kill a lot of people in Central Park or Times Square,

00:28:08.540 where they, interestingly enough, spent some time in either Pakistan's tribal areas 0.98

00:28:15.380 or Yemen, which is basically one giant tribal area,

00:28:18.580 before they engaged in their attack.

00:28:20.800 And then we would find out, oh, they were trained.

00:28:23.580 And they got spiritual sanctioning.

00:28:25.420 They got ideological affirmation, if you will,

00:28:30.800 from the jihadists in there, 0.99

00:28:32.400 and the blessing of that jihadist group to go kill a bunch of innocent people. 0.96

00:28:36.600 So another instance, another instance where we have jihadist terrorism

00:28:48.900 and the left doesn't want to talk about it.

00:28:50.980 The left doesn't want to talk about it.

00:28:52.300 They want to make this, but they want to make it about the guns.

00:28:55.340 It's not about the guns.

00:28:57.120 It's about the guys, the people who did this.

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00:30:14.620 All right.

00:30:14.820 Welcome back in here.

00:30:15.600 A little throwback moment as we're doing a lot of terrorism analysis.

00:30:18.600 And one of the reasons I get so passionate about this is that for years I was, shall we say, swimming upstream because I was sane and because I knew what I was talking about.

00:30:31.060 And I would go on places, including CNN.

00:30:33.260 MSNBC had me on to debate.

00:30:35.460 You can probably find this in the archives, too.

00:30:36.980 It was actually Glenn Greenwald.

00:30:39.100 They had me on one time to debate, and that was it.

00:30:44.000 That was never invited back.

00:30:46.160 We were debating radical Islam.

00:30:47.620 I think Glenn and I actually would see eye to eye on a whole range of free speech issues today.

00:30:53.840 But on this issue, on the issue of radical Islam, Mr. Greenwald and I are in still firm disagreement.

00:31:01.820 But I don't think, I think they thought they looked at me like, this guy, what can he really, you know what I mean?

00:31:06.420 Let's, let's, let's fillet him like a fish on TV.

00:31:09.460 And, oh, this fish had some tricks.

00:31:11.380 He could flop around a little bit in the boat.

00:31:12.880 He knew what he was doing.

00:31:14.280 But to that end, also, over at CNN, over at CNN, this is on the day of the Nice terror attack, which I always, anytime someone says, this is about gun control.

00:31:26.280 The Nice terror attack involved a truck.

00:31:29.060 It killed 86 people, 15 children, injured 450 people.

00:31:39.420 It was a rented truck, okay?

00:31:43.460 This guy rented a truck and killed 86 people and wounded hundreds.

00:31:48.680 Didn't need a gun, didn't need a bomb, and this was an Islamic State attack. 0.66

00:31:55.260 And this was on, you know, Bastide is a big deal in France.

00:31:58.240 It's not their Independence Day, actually.

00:32:00.140 It's different.

00:32:00.640 It's like the storming of the Bastide, the French Revolution, which, you know, didn't go so well.

00:32:05.080 But conversation for another time.

00:32:07.580 But this is from that day.

00:32:09.000 So I was on this panel.

00:32:10.600 And I am not, I am not kidding when I tell you, this is 2016.

00:32:13.960 This is 10 years ago now.

00:32:15.560 I'm on this panel, and they're all blaming the French.

00:32:19.660 There's like four or five other guests.

00:32:22.100 I mean, I'm going on memory now.

00:32:23.020 I haven't seen the video myself.

00:32:24.480 I'm just, I know the team pulled it up.

00:32:26.300 But they have like four other guests, I think.

00:32:28.560 And they're all like, oh, this is what happens when you don't assimilate.

00:32:31.940 I'm like, what we really have to figure out here is why aren't we making the Muslim minority in France more comfortable?

00:32:37.400 I'm like, more comfortable?

00:32:39.040 One of them just killed almost 100 people with a truck on the national holiday. 0.97

00:32:43.440 What the hell is wrong with you people?

00:32:46.880 Anyway, you can get a little flavor of that. 0.85

00:32:48.740 I mean, this was a whole seven or eight middle-long segment, but here's a little bit of the exchange with some third-tier academic who's like, I'm going to explain terrorism to Buck.

00:32:57.880 Play it.

00:32:59.020 The degree of right-wing politics, Islamophobia.

00:33:03.080 And I do disagree with Mr. Sexton because the fact is, and I'll say this to you, Buck, directly, the vast majority of ISIS's victims are Muslim.

00:33:13.460 Not us.

00:33:14.400 Not the West.

00:33:15.340 I'm fully aware of that.

00:33:16.080 Well, and you didn't say they're coming after us.

00:33:19.080 They're not coming after us more than they're coming after each other.

00:33:21.080 No, I was referring to the Islamic State, which very clearly, through its external operations arm, which has been at work, by the way, for a number of years now,

00:33:27.520 along with al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which until recently was considered the most virulent and deadly of the jihadist terrorist organizations for this kind of external plotting.

00:33:36.220 They're continuing to do this. 0.99

00:33:37.600 Of course they're killing Muslims. 1.00

00:33:38.820 They're killing Muslims in Turkey, in Saudi Arabia, in Iraq. 0.97

00:33:41.100 I've actually seen some of the handiwork of what they've done in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. 0.94

00:33:46.180 But the people who are doing it, they can consider themselves Muslim as well, even though the victims are Muslim.

00:33:54.600 I'm not getting into a theological discussion.

00:33:56.960 I'm trying to just focus on the counterterrorism aspect of it.

00:33:59.360 She's saying that the people who are, it's being perpetrated against are Muslim, but that the attackers can be Muslim as well.

00:34:04.720 Right, but I have to say, I don't understand why that's being directed at me.

00:34:07.340 By no means that I say that wasn't the case or it wasn't true, so I don't understand why that's being directed at me.

00:34:11.460 I'm merely saying...

00:34:11.600 But you said they're coming after us.

00:34:14.240 They're not just coming after us.

00:34:15.320 They are, in fact, coming after us.

00:34:16.740 So I need to sit here and talk about all the terrorists.

00:34:17.320 But they're mostly going after each other.

00:34:19.840 They're going after Shia. 0.99

00:34:20.880 I'm referring to America and Europe and the West and all peaceful Muslims and everyone around the world who doesn't believe it's trapping a suicide vest on because you're disaffected,

00:34:29.920 because you have some belief that somehow this will take you to a place of paradise and virgins.

00:34:34.260 Whatever the case may be, everybody who isn't on that team is on my team.

00:34:38.540 This notion you have in your head that when I say us, I'm referring to what?

00:34:42.020 Republican Americans?

00:34:43.520 I was in the counterterrorism center of the CIA.

00:34:45.440 I was working with foreign allies all over the world to try and stop these kinds of attacks.

00:34:51.220 They're making an implication that's preposterous.

00:34:53.320 And I have to be honest with you, after this sort of an attack happens, there is this knee-jerk reaction that we see from people who are center to left of center,

00:35:00.840 constantly trying to sort of wrap all this around the bad rhetoric of people who want to speak openly and honestly about terrorism.

00:35:06.920 We're just trying to empower the moderates from within Muslim societies.

00:35:10.140 We're trying to empower our allies in countries that we do work with in the Muslim world and outside the Muslim world to stop people from getting mowed down at a celebration of a national holiday.

00:35:18.780 That's it.

00:35:19.040 Which include other Muslims.

00:35:20.600 I've said that four or five times already.

00:35:22.400 Okay.

00:35:22.900 We're getting off track here.

00:35:24.000 We are getting off track.

00:35:25.240 Thank you. 1.00

00:35:25.640 Nice try, Lemon, you moron. 1.00

00:35:28.580 Lemon, that guy's honestly a true dumbass. 1.00

00:35:32.020 And I would say it to his face right now, I don't care less, he is a dumbass, really. 1.00

00:35:37.360 The fact that CNN gave him his own show as long as they did is appalling. 1.00

00:35:40.880 And he's a baby, too.

00:35:41.960 He's unprofessional.

00:35:44.380 He's a baby. 1.00

00:35:45.440 He's childish and dumb. 1.00

00:35:48.920 And anyway, there's a little third. 1.00

00:35:50.100 Notice there's a little back and forth.

00:35:51.500 He's trying to get it back to you.

00:35:52.780 We really just want to talk about Islamophobia. 0.90

00:35:54.360 This was within hours of 86 people being mowed down by a truck.

00:35:58.940 And we didn't even play some of the other people, all the throat clearing about, oh, this is really about, you know, we don't want to single out Islam or whatever.

00:36:05.680 It's like, that's your takeaway?

00:36:09.380 The big problem we face is, you know, this is the, I mean, he did some great stuff.

00:36:14.940 Norm MacDonald did some great stuff.

00:36:16.240 I think, though, maybe his all-time great is that the real threat is that they're going to detonate a nuclear bomb in an American city and just think of all the Islamophobia that will happen.

00:36:27.140 Because that really just gets to the core of this insanity.

00:36:31.700 It's like a death wish from within our own society.

00:36:35.020 The problem isn't the terrorists, whether it's in Bondi or it's on Brown University campus or it's, you know, at the Covington School or it's in Iraq.

00:36:44.720 The problem are not the enemies of civilization.

00:36:48.100 The problem is the people who are trying to stop them.

00:36:51.960 And everything we do to stop them somehow either justifies them or makes them worse.

00:36:56.860 This we saw in Gaza, too.

00:36:58.200 Look at Israel with Gaza, October 7th. 1.00

00:37:00.620 Everything Israel does is terrible, it's bad, it's genocide, according to some people, and it's making the problem worse. 0.76

00:37:07.060 You're creating future generations of suicide bombers. 0.88

00:37:09.000 Trust me, they love Gaza suicide bombers plenty before October 7th happened and before the Israeli response. 0.99

00:37:16.240 Gaza, the Palestinians have been celebrating that stuff for as long as I have been alive. 0.94

00:37:21.820 They're not celebrating, you know, their great math scores on the testing there, I got to tell you.

00:37:26.040 They're not celebrating all the achievements they're making in the sciences.

00:37:29.460 But suicide bombers, they got a lot of time to celebrate that.

00:37:32.480 It's just true.

00:37:33.180 And so why do you think now we have all these, do you think it's just the mayor of Providence, I'm sorry, not the mayor, the police chief of Providence,

00:37:41.600 who doesn't want to say what has already been reported by eyewitnesses that this guy was yelling a lie walk bar?

00:37:46.680 No, it's his boss, the mayor, probably got a call from whatever, you know, Democrat third-rate clown is the, who's the governor of Rhode Island right now? 0.91

00:37:55.960 I don't even know.

00:37:56.620 I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, is Rhode Island even really a state, guys?

00:38:00.620 Let's be honest.

00:38:01.280 It's kind of like Massachusetts' little brother.

00:38:04.220 Whoever the guy, who?

00:38:07.580 Daniel McKee.

00:38:08.480 Be honest with you, never heard of this guy.

00:38:10.000 He's a Democrat, right?

00:38:11.160 Obviously, the state's very Democrat.

00:38:12.480 Or is he one of those, like, Mitt Romney Republicans?

00:38:16.720 Democrat?

00:38:18.660 We'll find out.

00:38:19.560 But my point is, the chief of police knows that the whole game here is, we've got to make sure we keep a grip on all the Islamophobia.

00:38:28.840 Got to keep a grip on all the Islamophobia.

00:38:32.320 No, actually, I think we should be honest about things.

00:38:34.480 Because, you see, and this is what's happening more and more, and now that we even have X, at least we have one place where people can share things more honestly,

00:38:41.500 without fear of being shut down or throttled, at least not the same way they were before, we all notice this.

00:38:46.520 And they're never going to really win a war on noticing.

00:38:52.180 Actually, this is a perfect place for me to bring into this conversation something that I think is, we should, can we put this up?

00:38:58.740 Team, I haven't even sent this to you yet, but I wanted to get to it today.

00:39:02.340 I'm not sure Clay will be as fired up about this one tomorrow as I am, so I wanted to get to it.

00:39:06.800 But it's this piece in Compact, I'm sorry, wait, let me make sure I have the, I'm giving this the right, yes, compactmag.com.

00:39:17.140 Compactmag.com, The Lost Generation by Matthew Schmitz.

00:39:22.360 This is, we should put it up at clanbuck.com.

00:39:25.700 This is an amazing takedown, piece by piece, of what has really happened in the DEI apparatus in America in the last 10 years.

00:39:37.060 He even says, he starts us off, beginning, I'm quoting him here, beginning in 2014, prestige industries decided they urgently needed to diversify.

00:39:47.680 They didn't purge established boomers.

00:39:49.740 Instead, they did everything possible to avoid hiring white millennial men.

00:39:54.840 This is the story of a generation derailed by DEI.

00:39:58.240 This is what I have observed.

00:40:00.880 And it really coincided with my time in the private sector, at least in the media, this obsession with, you know, who ran CNN?

00:40:10.640 An old white guy, Jeff Zucker.

00:40:12.060 But who are they trying to hire as many minorities and particularly minority women as possible for all the roles? 1.00

00:40:19.040 The lower, the lower down roles, right?

00:40:20.580 The entry level and, you know, the three to five year kind of positions.

00:40:23.660 This is true across Wall Street, true across law, and they were open about it.

00:40:29.780 This is what the diversity hiring, and one of the reasons why I think there's such a frustration to my fellow millennials out there, we got the worst of this. 1.00

00:40:42.440 It was the generation above. 0.97

00:40:45.680 You know, if you really hit your peak professional years in the 90s, you, yeah, there was some of this, but you escaped it.

00:40:53.100 But if you started to, in the early, mid-2000s, 2010, you know, if you were trying to hit your professional peak, you were completely locked out of, as a white male.

00:41:04.900 So if you were around age 30 at this time, 30 to 45, let's say, as a white male, or even entry levels, let's say, you know, 20 to 45, you were non-hireable, un-hireable in Hollywood as a writer,

00:41:21.720 in academia, all the colleges, all the, this whole piece, this Matthew Schmitz guy, it's a brilliant piece, truly.

00:41:29.940 And you should read it because you'll understand what's really happened to my generation,

00:41:33.700 and I was only able to escape it because of some good luck, some great mentors, you know, Glenn and Rush and people letting me have a chance

00:41:42.400 in a business that has a very high failure rate to begin with, which is, you know, media and commentary.

00:41:47.860 But I saw it all around me, my peers, my colleagues, you know, not in media, but people that I knew in other industries, particularly,

00:41:55.500 people I knew were trying to make it in creative industries, no chance.

00:41:58.560 You weren't going to get that.

00:42:00.180 Writing in Hollywood, you had no shot.

00:42:01.960 He goes through all these different details.

00:42:03.820 But also, you know, you look at a place like Goldman Sachs, and I actually had a friend some years ago who was an NHR at Goldman Sachs,

00:42:11.920 and she talked to me about this extensively.

00:42:14.140 All the guys who were at the very top, once they started doing this stuff 10 years ago,

00:42:18.480 the people who were the fat cats who were making the big bucks, they got to stay.

00:42:24.560 Diversity did not mean we were replacing the CEO.

00:42:28.200 That is not what it meant.

00:42:29.080 Diversity, over the last 10 years, meant, oh, you're 25, you need a job?

00:42:34.160 Sorry, we have to take somebody who is a person of color.

00:42:38.440 Oh, you're 30 years old, and you're looking for your big break to get into, like I said, a university teaching position,

00:42:45.960 news media, television, television writing.

00:42:50.520 No chance.

00:42:51.640 Has to be.

00:42:52.340 And, you know, this is the part of it.

00:42:54.300 These institutions, I mentioned this before, Brown University,

00:42:57.160 they became a lot less impressive.

00:42:59.580 Because they got rid of standards.

00:43:01.800 They started making decisions not based upon excellence at the craft or the ability that one has,

00:43:07.340 but on skin color.

00:43:08.960 Explicitly racist policies.

00:43:10.760 And this was all throughout our society, and it was my age cohort going up 10 years and down 10 years, give or take.

00:43:17.460 So, say, you know, if you're 30 to 50 right now, man, you got screwed over professionally, if you were trying to work in any of these fields.

00:43:25.820 And the other part of it is, you're not allowed to notice.

00:43:31.800 You're not allowed to notice that when they started doing this and they insisted on hiring women and minorities for roles that otherwise white men would have gotten.

00:43:41.260 And, like I said, this piece, compactmag.com, writes it up.

00:43:45.060 We'll put it up at clayandbuck.com so you can find it easily.

00:43:47.180 We'll cross-post it there.

00:43:48.040 All of a sudden, TV got really bad. 0.97

00:43:52.760 Movies started to suck. 0.72

00:43:53.660 What happened? 0.98

00:43:54.880 Well, you weren't hiring the best writers anymore.

00:43:56.760 It's pretty straightforward.

00:43:58.100 Also, the publishing industry.

00:43:59.340 I was telling you about books before, what's happened at conservative books.

00:44:01.380 Publishing industry is in a really rough state.

00:44:03.020 You know why? 0.99

00:44:04.260 They had published too many white male authors, and so there was all this rush to publish books that are garbage. 0.98

00:44:10.240 But the people were the right color or the right gender for the purposes of the publishers. 0.98

00:44:14.760 Remember, the people that are going to get their break.

00:44:18.080 Not the, you know, if you were established, if you were a boomer, and you were at one of these elite institutions, you already had tenure or the equivalent thereof.

00:44:26.880 It was everybody else that you, it was the, it was the millennials who got fed, you know, into the wood chipper of DEI madness professionally. 0.54

00:44:37.880 And this piece goes into details about it.

00:44:40.400 And these places are not elite anymore.

00:44:43.240 And Hollywood TV writing got really crappy.

00:44:46.120 And we all noticed.

00:44:47.600 We have all, in fact, noticed.

00:44:49.660 So they can tell us you're not allowed to notice these things, whether it's radical Islam and terrorism or DEI

00:44:54.960 and the quality of the scripts that you're seeing produced on TV, but we do, in fact, notice.

00:45:02.220 So that is where that stands.

00:45:05.600 And I really, I thought that piece was very powerful.

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00:47:08.520 Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

00:47:11.100 Oh, there's even more coming on this.

00:47:12.820 A lot of terrorism analysis going on in the show today bringing you back to my roots.

00:47:18.140 As you know, I was a CTC analyst, a CIA officer, a CTC analyst, which is the Counterterrorism Center,

00:47:26.480 which was stood up really as the anti-Al Qaeda unit of the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:47:32.340 It had a different name before it was CTC in that it became CTC.

00:47:36.440 And it was really at the center of the action on a lot of what the CIA did and did quite well post-9-11 in the war on terror,

00:47:50.600 tracking down these targets all over all the places that you know about, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria.

00:47:59.140 The Philippines, a place we're going to talk about here shortly, where there's still Islamic terrorism.

00:48:06.620 Isn't it interesting?

00:48:07.260 There are, if I sat here and asked you, excuse me, if I sat here and asked you to name a Christian terrorist group,

00:48:20.220 you could think for a few minutes, I don't know, maybe you'd come up with something.

00:48:26.320 If I, maybe, I don't know, I can't, but if I said come up with a Christian terrorist group all over the world, 0.98

00:48:35.600 in pretty much every country where there's any concentration of Christians,

00:48:39.800 you definitely wouldn't be able to do that, right?

00:48:44.200 Isn't that an interesting exercise?

00:48:46.920 You might say, oh, but Buck, that sounds, oh, Islamophobic. 0.85

00:48:52.440 It sounds so racist.

00:48:54.220 Hold on a second.

00:48:54.940 If I asked you to come up with a Buddhist terrorist group, a lot of Buddhists all over the world.

00:49:03.380 In fact, there are about as many Buddhists in America as there are Muslims.

00:49:09.540 How many Buddhist terrorist attacks can you think about on U.S. soil?

00:49:14.720 How many of those have happened?

00:49:17.120 Can you think of one?

00:49:19.240 I did this for a living, and I can't.

00:49:23.080 Sikhs. 1.00

00:49:23.600 Sikhs are from South Asia. 0.98

00:49:26.460 They are generally brown.

00:49:30.100 They, therefore, are ethnically the same as a lot of, or look very similar to a lot of Muslims from the South Asia,

00:49:39.520 including Pakistanis and Afghanis and people from India.

00:49:44.580 I know there's all kinds of variation and everything else, but I'm just saying, generally speaking,

00:49:48.600 how many Sikh terrorist attacks have occurred in the United States, in your memory, where a Sikh was just, you know, 0.94

00:49:59.560 he took out his working blade, as Sikhs are supposed to carry, and just started running around, stabbing everybody. 1.00

00:50:04.420 Zero. 0.86

00:50:06.140 Zero.

00:50:06.720 Not a single one.

00:50:07.720 99% of Sikhs are non-white. 0.59

00:50:11.580 About a million Sikhs live in America.

00:50:13.780 Not a single Sikh terror attack.

00:50:16.860 Now, why am I going through this exercise?

00:50:20.000 Because the people who tell you that there isn't something that is uniquely problematic to Islam in the 21st century,

00:50:27.060 or the 20th century for that matter, when it comes to terrorism, are delusional.

00:50:31.580 We all know this.

00:50:35.800 We all know this.

00:50:37.040 I told you, when I worked, again, manufacturing delusions, speaking of delusions, my book, please go buy copies.

00:50:42.220 I need all of you to buy copies.

00:50:43.840 The conservative book market has been falling apart.

00:50:46.020 Do you know that?

00:50:47.180 Because people who used to listen to, or rather, who have listened to shows like this one, and listened to Rush and others,

00:50:53.140 there's not as many good books out there.

00:50:55.920 I know this is self-serving.

00:50:57.500 Make no mistake about it.

00:50:58.520 You helped me get to number one of the New York Times bestseller lists by particularly buying advanced copies.

00:51:04.180 Comments out February 17th of Manufacturing Delusion.

00:51:06.680 You helped me.

00:51:07.240 You know what that does?

00:51:08.180 Everybody, all the other conservatives that you like out there right now, especially my contemporaries,

00:51:12.920 you know, yeah, there have been, you know, Mark Levin's been fantastically successful selling books, and Bill O'Reilly.

00:51:17.980 I'm talking about the lower generation, the younger generation.

00:51:21.360 They're not writing books.

00:51:22.480 You know why?

00:51:22.900 Because you can't make any money because people aren't buying books.

00:51:25.960 And then what happens?

00:51:26.880 And then people just start hiring ghostwriters.

00:51:29.120 I poured my blood, sweat, and tears into this book.

00:51:32.660 If you help me make this successful, I am telling you, there will be other people,

00:51:37.840 maybe people that you even like more than me, which would be sad, but possibly,

00:51:42.960 they will be like, oh, okay.

00:51:45.780 The book market is alive and well.

00:51:47.380 The book market is in a rough spot.

00:51:49.740 Part of this also ties into the DEI stuff I want to talk about later.

00:51:53.540 That's on the publisher side, but manufacturing delusion, go get a copy, buy it on Amazon, buy it wherever you can.

00:52:01.280 Buy it now because that is the first printing.

00:52:03.340 Buy it now because that, it's all about the first week.

00:52:05.980 What is that number?

00:52:07.060 That then determines the momentum and everything else.

00:52:09.520 But I talk about these things.

00:52:10.800 I talk about, this is why I'm thinking about this right now.

00:52:13.460 The arguments you'll hear about Islamophobia.

00:52:15.220 I work for the NYPD Intelligence Division, now Intelligence Bureau.

00:52:19.620 Why am I bringing that up?

00:52:20.780 Because just for the sake of making everybody feel like it wasn't the Islamic terrorism unit, which it was, 0.92

00:52:28.500 but we couldn't call it that.

00:52:30.860 What were the real plots against New York City? 0.99

00:52:33.360 It was always some crazy Muslim guy who wanted to shoot up a synagogue or blow up a subway. 1.00

00:52:38.260 Always, always, always. 0.98

00:52:39.840 We had a white supremacist unit, and we had an Antifa unit, and we had a, you know, they were really, really bored.

00:52:51.100 But I give you, I want to arm you with this argument about why Islamophobia is a nonsense term meant to shut down free and fair debate and discussion.

00:53:03.280 It's an ideology.

00:53:04.560 It is not a skin color.

00:53:05.960 It is not an ethnicity. 0.99

00:53:07.220 Anybody who says otherwise is ignorant. 0.99

00:53:09.640 They don't know what they're talking about. 0.99

00:53:13.460 Okay?

00:53:14.000 They have no idea. 0.96

00:53:15.800 Some of the craziest jihadis you will ever see in your life are absolutely as white as I am because they come from the Caucasus Mountain area, like Caucasian. 1.00

00:53:26.000 I mean, this is, you'll see Kurds with blonde hair and blue eyes. 0.94

00:53:29.580 Now, the Kurds tend to be great and wonderful people, but technically, you know, I'm just saying, not a lot of jihadis coming out of Kurdistan.

00:53:38.340 But you get that they're Muslims.

00:53:40.700 They're not ethnically, there's no ethnic similarity.

00:53:43.700 They want to make it about race because they want to make you not think about what's going on here.

00:53:47.200 And so to anybody who says, I've even run through this exercise, because this is going to start to come up more, my friends, Islam, radical Islam. 0.97

00:53:56.200 We killed off a lot of the worst terrorists. 0.92

00:53:58.160 We did, with all the special operators and the drone strikes and everything.

00:54:02.180 We paid a huge price for it.

00:54:03.540 Was it worth it?

00:54:04.260 Was it not?

00:54:04.760 That's a whole other conversation.

00:54:06.820 But we killed off al-Qaeda leadership all over the world, truly.

00:54:11.120 We killed off whole generations of foreign fighters, truly. 1.00

00:54:15.400 They can say we made them. 0.90

00:54:16.960 I don't know.

00:54:17.660 If you grow up in London and you decide you want to go blow yourself up in Iraq, I think you probably had problems before we invaded.

00:54:22.720 But this is what is going on right now.

00:54:26.400 There is a resurgence.

00:54:27.460 You're seeing it, the beginnings of it, a resurgence of radical Islam.

00:54:30.400 The Taliban controls Afghanistan.

00:54:32.300 We have this problem, and the same voice is going to be saying, oh, the real issue here is Islamophobia.

00:54:38.560 No, it's not.

00:54:40.660 It's not.

00:54:41.660 The real issue is people need to see what's going on and speak openly and honestly about it.

00:54:46.440 And this is why I say you'll notice there's no Buddhaphobia in America.

00:54:51.920 They'll only talk about Islamophobia.

00:54:53.320 Why is that?

00:54:54.820 Most Buddhists are non-white. 1.00

00:54:57.200 I mean, there's like some, you know, Malibu moms who become Buddhists.

00:55:00.920 But generally speaking, most Buddhists are non-white.

00:55:04.260 And there's no terrorist attacks here from Buddhists.

00:55:06.340 Or if there is, there's one or something.

00:55:07.780 I'm sure somebody's going to find one on the Internet.

00:55:09.720 But they don't cause this problem.

00:55:12.920 From within the Islamic community, from within the same, roughly the same number, Muslim Americans, Buddhist Americans. 0.92

00:55:18.360 One of them is causing a whole lot of terrorist attacks.

00:55:21.580 The other is not. 0.99

00:55:23.280 And they're both non-white. 0.91

00:55:24.680 So what is going on here?

00:55:25.680 Okay.

00:55:26.380 I just wanted to get that out of the way, or rather arm you with that, because as we talk more about this, now we have, for example, a GOP strategist who went on TV and said straight up that there are students who have gone on the record saying, this is cut 35,

00:55:44.060 that the shooter on Brown University yelled, Allahu Akbar, play 35.

00:55:48.360 The police did a press conference yesterday, and they would not confirm what the shooter yelled out before he started shooting.

00:55:55.280 So you had a room of 60 students, 11 which have been shot, two are now dead.

00:55:59.760 But that means that there are, you know, at least, they said somewhere around 60, 40 students who were in there who could confirm what this man shot.

00:56:07.440 At least five students that I have seen have confirmed on the record of media interviews saying that he yelled, Allahu Akbar.

00:56:14.020 Well, I think that that's pretty relative information.

00:56:16.720 I think that that would matter as there is a massive search for the shooter, did he yell, Allahu Akbar, because then we should be looking for a, you know, free Palestine terrorist. 0.53

00:56:26.100 And Reddit yesterday, by the way, had to shut down the Brown University board because free Palestine students were celebrating Ella Cook's death. 0.77

00:56:34.020 Well, you look at that.

00:56:38.780 Now, you see what they're going to do is, assuming that this all lines up, the libs in charge here, the lib, you know, police chief here, you can tell this guy's a lib.

00:56:52.340 The libs who run Providence, the libs in the media, the people that are always making excuses for radical Islam. 0.87

00:56:59.360 It's our fault.

00:57:00.200 We didn't assimilate them well enough.

00:57:01.580 It's our Islamophobia, whatever.

00:57:02.820 Also, this plays very much into the politics of the moment because this would be, like I said, another high profile political assassination on a college campus within four months of the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:57:19.000 This is a one way street, my friends.

00:57:20.700 It only only one side is doing this stuff and it ain't Trumpers.

00:57:24.620 It ain't security, it ain't people who are security focused on the right.

00:57:33.020 No, that's not that's not who's doing this stuff.

00:57:35.880 You know, national national security hawks, you know, people who college Republicans know we're not the ones that are causing this kind of violence.

00:57:42.040 We're not the ones that are doing this.

00:57:43.080 So that's why they don't want you to know it.

00:57:45.320 And this all lines up as well.

00:57:46.420 I will never forget under the Obama administration, the Pulse nightclub shooting in in Florida. 0.98

00:57:52.580 And some jihadist lunatic goes into a gay nightclub and starts just murdering and slaughtering as many people as possible. 0.96

00:58:00.800 It's just horrific beyond imagination, beyond words. 0.99

00:58:03.440 And the FBI, under Obama, blacks out on the official transcript they release, him saying, Allahu Akbar, him saying, I did this for ISIS, him saying, you know, this is what the true Muslims do or something.

00:58:18.880 All that stuff blacked out.

00:58:20.640 We all knew what was there.

00:58:22.600 Why would they hide that from us?

00:58:23.700 Because they think you can't be trusted with the truth.

00:58:26.980 And I'm getting a lot of that from what happened here at Brown University.

00:58:31.300 And they do this for a reason.

00:58:33.440 They tell themselves or they'll tell you it's because we're waiting for all the facts to come in or, you know, we don't want there to be innocent people targeted because of bigotry or whatever.

00:58:48.160 But really what's going on here is this looks bad for their team, roughly speaking, the left, the Democrats, the other side of our political divide.

00:59:00.340 And you can say, oh, but why? 0.96

00:59:02.380 This guy's a radical Muslim.

00:59:03.540 If you're a radical Muslim in America today, are you going to vote Republican or Democrat?

00:59:09.060 In fact, if you're looking for a radical Islamic elected official in today's America, is it going to be a Democrat or Republican? 0.58

00:59:17.900 We all know what's going on here.

00:59:19.320 So I think we need to speak honestly and truthfully about it, even if they try to say things to you.

00:59:25.580 But like I said, always walk.

00:59:27.280 Anyone who says you're being Islamophobic, you know, and I could do all the throat clearing.

00:59:32.300 You know, it's less than one percent of Muslims in this country have any affiliation with any kind of an extremist group.

00:59:37.560 But we all know that.

00:59:40.280 But unfortunately, even if it's one tenth of one percent, if you're talking about millions and millions of people, that's a big problem.

00:59:46.940 If that includes people who are going to go out and shoot up dozens of people or, you know, blow up subway cars or whatever it is, that's a big problem.

00:59:54.300 And think about how much time they spent on the other side, under the Biden years in particular, telling you that the real threat of extremism was right-wing extremists.

01:00:01.640 Nobody gets on a plane and says, you know, I'm worried that one of the MAGA guys is going to sneak a bomb on this thing.

01:00:09.420 Nobody.

01:00:10.160 Not even the jihadists.

01:00:12.060 Nobody thinks that.

01:00:14.260 But we have to pretend?

01:00:17.500 I've never pretended.

01:00:18.800 So I was going to say I'm done pretending, but I've never pretended.

01:00:20.800 I've always been very honest on this.

01:00:22.380 This is why I started to get in trouble at CNN, because they would try to have their experts come out and talk to me about this. 0.99

01:00:27.040 And I would smoke them like the fools they are, because I know more than them. 0.99

01:00:30.060 And they're on the wrong side. 1.00

01:00:32.800 So I want you to know this stuff.

01:00:34.760 I want you to be equipped with these arguments, because it's going to come up more.

01:00:39.620 Do you think that all these students that have gone on the record misheard what was said?

01:00:43.800 Possible.

01:00:46.200 Likely?

01:00:47.520 No.

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