00:01:10.720It is frightening, and it underscores the risk of terrorism that every day keeps getting higher and higher and higher under Joe Biden and the Democrats' open borders.
00:01:20.100Yeah, it's a shocking story, and there are a lot of people that got in through this ISIS network that we're still searching for right now.
00:01:28.600We're going to break all that down for you.
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00:04:06.560I don't generally have people that are mock acting as whoever else it is I'm debating.
00:04:13.380But rather, I have really smart people, often they're Supreme Court lawyers, who are sitting down thinking through, all right, what are the likely questions?
00:04:30.200You know, in a presidential debate, particularly in the primaries where you're having a bunch of debates, there are different times when you have different strategies.
00:04:37.600There's different times when you want to draw a greater contrast with one candidate versus another.
00:04:41.720And so for debate prep, I'll often start with, all right, what's my objective?
00:04:46.600A question that I will ask my team over and over again is, what's a win?
00:04:50.440What do we want the headline to be at the end of the debate?
00:04:53.140And let's think backwards how we produce that.
00:05:30.800And what's my response to where they're going?
00:05:33.040And so it will be – it's actually been – for me, debate prep is very much the same way I would prepare for Supreme Court arguments.
00:05:41.240I would do moots at times, but particularly as I had done more and more Supreme Court arguments, I ended up arguing nine times in front of the U.S. Supreme Court, particularly for the later ones.
00:05:53.640Rather than actually play-acting out the argument, I would do the same thing.
00:05:59.040I would talk through with smart strategists where we wanted to go and what we wanted to get done.
00:06:07.460I love getting ready for debate prep and have gotten to be a part of it several different times at different levels.
00:06:13.680And I've also seen the candidate that overprepares.
00:06:18.840How do you make sure you don't do that?
00:06:20.720Because when you get too many thoughts and too much information and too many lines that, as you described, can sound pre-rehearsed, that I've seen be a disaster for candidates.
00:06:32.020We've seen this on the national stage in presidential debates before as well.
00:06:41.820You don't want to come off as over-rehearsed.
00:06:44.040I think the most notable example of that was in 2016 in the primaries, the New Hampshire debate where Chris Christie went after Marco Rubio.
00:06:59.000And, I mean, what Chris did to Marco was as brutal as we've ever seen in any debate because he was going after Marco and accusing him of being a robot.
00:07:07.640And Marco kept saying the same thing over and over again.
00:07:17.360And it ended up, I mean, I have to say for the rest of us, we were kind of like, all right, enough, Chris.
00:07:22.780You know, you're like, you're killing the guy.
00:07:25.780But it was Marco ran into trouble because he had a set piece that I guess he'd practiced that he repeated, I think, three separate times in a row.
00:07:35.440And Christie really took advantage of it.
00:07:37.600That's not something you want to have happen.
00:07:40.660Now, the good news is I think the chances of Trump doing that are zero.
00:07:44.380That's not how he prepares for a debate.
00:07:46.520And I don't think there's any risk of him doing that.
00:07:48.220Yeah, there's been a lot of this, and let's move to Trump, about, hey, is he getting ready the way that he should be getting ready?
00:07:57.780He had a weak debate against Joe Biden in the last presidential cycle that some believe may have cost him the White House.
00:08:04.920He also said in an interesting article in the Washington Examiner, quote,
00:08:09.280So I've been in 16, 17 debates, Trump answered it in response to a question.
00:08:14.860He said, quote, I think I've won almost all of them.
00:09:02.340I think a great example of that is the Las Vegas rally he did not too long ago where he rolled out the idea of no taxes on tips.
00:09:11.260And actually, you know, when when I had lunch with Trump week before last, he talked to talk to me and all the other Republican senators about where that came from.
00:09:21.620And he said he was sitting in the hotel room right before the rally.
00:09:26.000And he was having some food and the waitress came up and he said the waitress, he said she was beautiful.
00:09:34.900And he said that she was she was complaining about the burden of of all the record keeping for her tips and that it was really a pain and that she didn't like it.
00:09:45.000And Trump said he just pull out pulled out a pen and and wrote down no taxes on tips.
00:09:49.420And and he he told us, he said, look, this didn't come from a white paper.
00:09:53.620This didn't come from a bunch of tax experts.
00:09:55.740This just came from the conversation I had with the waitress.
00:09:58.360And then he said at the rally, I decided to say it.
00:10:07.000And I got to say, by the way, I think is a policy proposal that that one is is is political genius.
00:10:13.040And in fact, so much so that the week after he did it, I drafted legislation and filed legislation to make tips tax free, because I actually agree with the idea strongly.
00:10:25.160And I think Republicans should be the party of waiters and waitresses and bartenders and barbers and hairstylists and taxi cab drivers and Uber drivers.
00:10:37.640And I think no taxes on tips is right at the heart of it, a tax relief proposal that goes goes exactly to the people we're fighting for.
00:10:45.360But but that's isn't it amazing, by the way, that Trump now two of his biggest things have connected, whether it's 2020 or 2016, we're kind of off the cuff.
00:10:53.320The build the wall part, which became the center point, the cornerstone of his campaign 16 was the same thing.
00:11:39.220He did that with build the wall that he tries different riffs and themes.
00:11:42.620And so I would expect that that same dynamic.
00:11:46.640You know, it's interesting that that interview you were reading with Byron York, with Trump on debates, there was a portion of it that I thought was was very interesting, which is he talked about the rules of this debate.
00:12:00.020And here's what Trump said. He said, quote, what they did, I'm pretty sure, is that they approached me with a debate that I couldn't take.
00:12:07.940Dana Bash, Jake Tapper, whom Trump referred to as fake Tapper in the interview.
00:12:14.440No audience sitting down, originally sitting down a dead debate.
00:12:18.580Turn off the mics when you're not speaking.
00:13:46.540And so they wanted to propose rules that that that were so skewed, Trump would push back and they could say, oh, it was Trump who canceled the debate.
00:14:19.660He enjoyed that aspect of the debates.
00:14:22.540I think at some point when he felt like, OK, I'm the front runner and everybody's coming at me on the left and the right of the stage.
00:14:27.940Then in the last presidential debates that he was involved with, he was on defense because of COVID and the economy and inflation and things that were happening.
00:15:24.700And I think the consequence of it is he bailed Joe Biden out.
00:15:28.960Joe Biden was not doing well, but Trump interrupted so much that that it actually gave Biden an excuse just to shut up and let Trump be super aggressive.
00:15:38.840And particularly when Biden's answers are not very good, you've got to give him a chance to give him and give him the rope to hang himself.
00:15:47.600And it's interesting in this same interview Trump did with Byron York, he addresses this.
00:15:52.700So Byron York asks him, says, quote, a lot of people thought in the first debate with Biden that you were somewhat over amped, that you just went after him too much.
00:16:02.500Trump responds that I interrupted him.
00:16:45.000I also agree with his comment there that Trump was much more effective in the second debate against Biden than in the first.
00:16:51.400And what I hope we see tonight is that Trump very calmly lays out the facts that Biden has screwed everything up, that Biden inherited peace and prosperity.
00:17:05.480And that right now inflation is hammering working people, that right now the economy, people are hurting, that right now crime is rising far too high, that right now the border is in absolute chaos and people are dying and it's the worst in history.
00:17:21.360That on foreign policy, when Biden came into office, Donald Trump had just finished signing the Abraham Accords.
00:17:33.340And what I hope that Trump does is simply lay out the facts that on almost every measure, the American people were better off when Trump was president than when Biden is president.
00:17:47.120And I think those facts are strong enough that he doesn't need to beat Biden over the head with tone or rhetoric.
00:17:55.780I'd let the facts do the work and force Biden to defend himself.
00:18:00.320I would also try very much to surprise Biden, to cause him, to ask him questions, to challenge him, not in a yelling manner.
00:18:12.120And because his microphone will be turned off if he doesn't have the podium, that will be limited.
00:18:16.840But to challenge him very directly, to ask him questions that he can't give a set memorized answer to, because I think Biden's prep team is giving him lots and lots of set memorized answers.
00:18:30.380They're trying to feed him substance that he can just regurgitate.
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00:19:23.220I think there's certain issues that you don't spend a lot of time on.
00:19:26.600For example, I don't think you spend that much time on the Biden crime family because I think you can get into the weeds and waste valuable time talking to the average American that might not care that much about that compared to the economy or an open border or fentanyl coming across the southern border.
00:20:25.920I would have immigration front and center.
00:20:27.580I think it is quite likely that Trump is going to talk about Jocelyn Nungary, the 12-year-old beautiful girl who was assaulted and murdered in Houston just a few days ago by two illegal immigrants Joe Biden released.
00:20:44.740I think he's going to talk about Rachel Morin, the beautiful mother of five who was raped and murdered in suburban Maryland by illegal immigrants that Joe Biden released.
00:20:53.980I think he's going to talk about the 13-year-old girl just a few days ago who was raped in a public park in New York by an illegal immigrant that Joe Biden released.
00:21:02.720And I think he's going to talk or he should talk about the eight suspected terrorists, ISIS-K terrorists from Tajikistan who were just arrested on suspicion of a terrorist attack, a plot, and again, who Joe Biden released.
00:21:18.340And I hope he walks systematically through one after the other after the other.
00:21:24.720You know, you look at how on defense, how unprepared Biden was for Lake and Riley during the State of the Union, where his defense during the State of the Union was, well, an illegal killed her.
00:21:39.500You know, if that's Biden's defense, that's not going to go well.
00:21:42.260You know, and given how horrific the facts are here, I think Trump, you know, there's an old line in a court of law, which is if you have the facts, you bang the facts.
00:21:55.240If you have the law, you bang the law.
00:21:58.260If you have neither, you bang the table.
00:27:11.940And yet, in CNN world, it's Trump that is anti-Semitic.
00:27:18.120And it's just – it is – they're coming in with a clear agenda.
00:27:22.660I don't expect them to ask difficult questions.
00:27:25.320Biden, I expect them to go after relentlessly.
00:27:27.680I think they're obsessed with January 6th.
00:27:30.520I think you're going to get multiple questions about January 6th.
00:27:33.340They're going to try to prosecute them January 6th.
00:27:36.280I also – we've seen CNN is obsessed with the trials.
00:27:39.900I think you're going to get questions about Gene Carroll.
00:27:42.240I think you're going to get questions about Stormy Daniels.
00:27:44.380By the way, none of which matters to an American family who's worried about putting food on the table, who's worried about keeping their kids safe.
00:27:54.160But CNN is not trying to ask questions that are helpful for a voter to decide whom to vote for.
00:28:02.960Instead – and when I said Trump should be overstated, I meant really with respect to Biden.
00:28:08.580If CNN acts like you and I both think they're going to act, which is as wild-eyed partisans, I think Trump should be perfectly fine just calling them out on it.
00:28:25.680You know, it was really striking this week when you had a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign on CNN, and she was laying out both Jake and Dana's long history of antagonism to Trump.
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00:31:49.660Look, this is a shocking story that in some ways is not shocking because we know that this administration, that Joe Biden and the Democrats have effectively rolled out the red carpet and with open borders have given an invitation to terrorists to come into the country.
00:32:06.300But even so, the degree of naivete and reckless disregard for the safety of Americans is remarkable.
00:32:15.200So here's the story according to NBC, and I'm just going to quote NBC, quote, the Department of Homeland Security has identified over 400 immigrants from Central Asia and elsewhere who crossed into the U.S.
00:32:27.400in the past three years as subjects of concern because they were brought by an ISIS-affiliated human smuggling network.
00:32:35.900Three U.S. officials tell NBC News, while over 150 of them have been arrested, the whereabouts of over 50 remain unknown, the officials said.
00:32:44.900And Immigration and Customs Enforcement is looking to arrest them on immigration charges when they are located.
00:32:50.960One of the U.S. officials and people said people affiliated with ISIS are operating as human smugglers in Central Asia and helping people there leave their countries and travel to the West where they are smuggled into the U.S.
00:33:05.160It is not known whether the human smuggling activity directly funds ISIS activities or whether ISIS members are making personal money through human smuggling on the side, the U.S. official said.
00:33:17.180The official added that the U.S. has no indication that the more than 400 migrants brought to the U.S. by the network had plans to carry out terrorism in the U.S., but immigration agents are looking to arrest them out of an abundance of caution.
00:33:33.320And here's a quote from from the Biden administration, quote, in this case, it was the information that suggested a potential tie to ISIS because some of the individuals involved in smuggling migrants to the borders that led us to want to take extra care.
00:33:48.420And out of an abundance of caution, make sure that we exercised our authority in the most expansive and appropriate way to mitigate risk because of this potential connection being made.
00:34:00.520And what utter and complete garbage out of an abundance of caution.
00:34:04.800Yeah, we let 400 people go that ISIS had smuggled into the country because we're so cautious.
00:34:09.500And then we realized, wait a second, there's an election.
00:34:13.080There's an election coming up in five months.
00:34:14.860And all these people that ISIS smuggled in, if they carry out a terrorist attack and people realize we let them go, that's going to be a real problem.
00:34:42.460Tonight, NBC News has learned more than 50 migrants with potential ties to an ISIS-affiliated smuggling network are at large in America.
00:34:51.380Many illegally crossed the border and were released into the U.S. by Border Patrol because there was no information suggesting terror ties at the time.
00:34:59.000Now, their whereabouts are unknown as immigration agents look to arrest them.
00:35:03.500U.S. officials tell us, saying they're among a group of over 400 migrants DHS identified in the U.S. from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia and Russia as subjects of concern because they were brought to the U.S. by an ISIS-affiliated smuggling network, something the FBI director warned about earlier this year.
00:35:24.320Some of the overseas facilitators of the smuggling network have ISIS ties that we're very concerned about.
00:35:31.020ICE has located and arrested over 150 of the 400 migrants so far, with some already deported from the U.S., officials say.
00:35:39.240Adding authorities are not panicking because their ties to ISIS are not certain, but they're prioritizing their arrest out of an abundance of caution.
00:35:47.020The problem is the volume of people coming across the southern border, individuals from ISIS and other affiliated groups, have recognized it as a weak point in our defense, and they're using this opportunity to try to sneak in.
00:36:02.420NBC News was first to report on a similar arrest of a Uzbek man in Baltimore whose country alerted the U.S. he was affiliated with ISIS.
00:36:10.240That man, like the others apprehended so far, was arrested on immigration charges, not terrorism-related charges.
00:36:17.380ISIS-K has claimed responsibility for deadly terror attacks in Russia and Iran in the past year.
00:36:23.140And recently, the DHS inspector general sharply criticizing vetting at the U.S. southern border, saying DHS is at risk of admitting dangerous persons into the country or enabling asylum seekers who may pose significant threats to public safety and national security to continue to reside in the United States.
00:36:41.760Two senior law enforcement officials told NBC News they are not tracking a terror plot from this group of migrants, but their arrest on immigration charges come out of an abundance of caution.
00:37:41.060Day after day, week after week, month after month, for three and a half years, Joe Biden and the Democrats have released illegal immigrants who are murderers, who are rapists, who are child molesters, who are gang members, and who are being smuggled in by ISIS-K.
00:38:02.360A known terrorist organization, and they're letting them go.
00:39:20.400There may be terrorists to get in here.
00:39:22.160Oh, wait, there are terrorists to get in here.
00:39:23.740We know there's people on the terrorist watch list, and we're just going to do it anyway.
00:39:27.000But right before the election, we're going to clean it up a little bit and look like we're being proactive.
00:39:32.340I've said this multiple times, but I very much believe it.
00:39:35.520We are today at a greater risk of a major terrorist attack than we have been any time since September 11th.
00:39:42.500And the director of the FBI has been saying that over and over and over again in congressional testimony.
00:39:50.180What the FBI is looking at, I'm confident, is even worse than what we're talking about.
00:39:55.680And that is the direct consequence of utterly reckless policies of open borders.
00:40:04.060And to tie this to what we started at the beginning, I think this should be front and center what Trump is talking about tonight at the debate.
00:40:12.660I was going to ask you, that was going to be my final question for you, is if CNN doesn't bring it up, do you force the issue?
00:40:19.360Because I have a feeling they're going to be playing defense for Joe Biden.
00:40:23.460So does the president go all in on these type of issues, even if they don't bring them up?
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