Verdict with Ted Cruz - Fishing and Fednapping and Fabrication, Oh My!

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00:02:17.160 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:02:18.940 I'm Michael Knowles.

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00:02:38.960 Senator, last week, we were shooting from the hip.

00:02:43.260 The information was constantly changing about the Mar-a-Lago raid.

00:02:46.860 We were told initially it was over classified documents.

00:02:50.400 Then we were told it might be over nuclear secrets.

00:02:53.460 Then that kind of seemed to fall apart given the timing of the warrants and the raid

00:02:57.720 and the fact that we're already 18, 19 months into the Biden administration.

00:03:01.680 Now we've got the hindsight of one week.

00:03:04.580 Is there any justification for the raid?

00:03:07.580 No good one.

00:03:09.040 What is really distressing, looking now at the warrant and what they were searching for,

00:03:16.000 this was a fishing expedition.

00:03:17.420 It was an old-fashioned fishing expedition.

00:03:19.920 I actually think it had little to nothing to do with classified documents.

00:03:24.520 What this was about was January 6th.

00:03:26.400 What this was about was the FBI and DOJ wanting to send in a team to say,

00:03:31.540 let's grab every piece of paper we can find, and maybe we'll get something incriminating.

00:03:35.560 And look, that's not a new thing for law enforcement to do.

00:03:38.840 Sometimes, you know, if you're going after Al Capone, you try to go after him on income tax evasion.

00:03:43.680 It's not new for law enforcement to try to find a hook.

00:03:48.080 And so the classified documents, the presidential records, they had a hook to say,

00:03:52.880 well, he may have brought a piece of paper or maybe multiple pieces of paper that we've asked for back.

00:03:58.500 And so we've got a claim to send in the troops.

00:04:03.080 I got to say, though, look, we have a long tradition in this country of a peaceful transfer of power.

00:04:12.020 By the way, we said that in the last pod, and it was very funny.

00:04:15.020 Lefties on Twitter lost their mind.

00:04:16.740 No, no, no, you're not allowed to say that.

00:04:18.220 No, no, we say peaceful transfer of power.

00:04:19.960 Don't you say that.

00:04:20.760 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:04:21.780 Let me explain.

00:04:23.340 In banana republics, tinpot dictators send their troops in to the home of the prior guy,

00:04:30.240 or as they like to call Trump, the former guy.

00:04:32.420 When you send your troops in to raid the home of your predecessor, looking for evidence,

00:04:38.600 because your plan is to try to lock him up.

00:04:42.520 What I can tell you is in 200 plus years of our nation's history,

00:04:47.280 no president has ever done that to his predecessor.

00:04:50.140 Not once, none of them.

00:04:52.340 Look, each of our presidents, when the party shifted,

00:04:56.800 they didn't necessarily love their predecessors.

00:04:58.600 Jefferson and Adams despised each other.

00:05:03.420 But it's not like Jefferson said, all right, let's bust down the door of Adams' house and

00:05:08.920 see what we can find.

00:05:10.020 That doesn't happen.

00:05:11.840 Listen, it is certainly true that the laws apply to everyone, including former presidents.

00:05:18.020 And if they violate criminal laws, they should be held accountable.

00:05:24.580 That being said, when there's a specter of using the law enforcement machinery to target your enemies,

00:05:31.020 the threshold should be much, much higher.

00:05:33.280 It shouldn't be a ticky-tack crime.

00:05:35.360 It shouldn't be a little threshold.

00:05:37.260 It should be something that is exercised only when there is no alternative.

00:05:42.260 Crossfire Hurricane, they sent in the wiretaps.

00:05:45.200 They sent in the investigations on the flimsiest predicate.

00:05:49.680 And then they created fraudulent documents to back up that predicate.

00:05:53.540 And all of it, of course, was funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign,

00:05:56.740 which multiple members of DOJ and FBI knew and didn't care about.

00:06:01.480 Fast forward to now.

00:06:03.540 What happened here?

00:06:04.700 I think they're frustrated because their January 6th investigation is not getting anywhere.

00:06:09.780 And so they said, well, look, we got an excuse to go raid Trump.

00:06:13.940 Let's go do it.

00:06:14.900 And maybe we'll find some documents.

00:06:16.700 Maybe we'll go on a fishing exercise.

00:06:18.880 That is an absolute abuse of power.

00:06:22.400 If they're going to say that Trump is Hitler, as they've been saying for years now,

00:06:26.620 then they have to do absolutely anything they can to stop Hitler. 0.84

00:06:30.240 He's Hitler after all. 0.92

00:06:31.120 And if that involves breaking some laws or if that involves abusing government power, well, who cares?

00:06:36.600 That's a small price to pay, I think, as they see it.

00:06:39.820 The FBI does an enormous amount of good work.

00:06:42.720 The FBI catches targets, terrorists, radical Islamic terrorists trying to murder people.

00:06:48.880 It catches bank robbers.

00:06:49.920 It catches people who engage in child kidnapping.

00:06:53.200 It catches mafia bosses.

00:06:55.900 Like the FBI is a hugely important law enforcement agency.

00:07:01.340 And I got to tell you, within the FBI, there are thousands and thousands of good and honorable law enforcement officers,

00:07:09.560 people who signed up to be cops, people who signed up to catch bad guys because they wanted to protect America and keep us safe.

00:07:15.180 And what is so infuriating is those FBI agents, their entire career and life is being cheapened,

00:07:26.740 is being undermined by these political hacks who are leading the Department of Justice and who are at the senior levels of the FBI.

00:07:34.500 I cannot think of anybody in modern times who's done more to damage the credibility of the FBI and the Department of Justice than Merrick Garland

00:07:45.980 because when he turns them into a nakedly political group of stormtroopers, it's not the agent's fault.

00:07:54.640 It's the politicized leadership's fault, and he is hurting the FBI and hurting the Department of Justice.

00:08:03.080 And it ought to scare the hell out of him.

00:08:05.300 Instead of lecturing people, how dare you say abolish the FBI?

00:08:09.200 Look, they're saying it because you're a partisan hack.

00:08:14.180 Why are they saying it, of course, is the question.

00:08:16.680 And as you mentioned, they went in there with the charge to take pretty much everything they could.

00:08:22.120 They're searching Melania Trump's wardrobe.

00:08:24.980 They went in, they took Donald Trump's passports, for goodness sakes, two expired passports and his current diplomatic passport.

00:08:31.940 And then, of course, immediately CBS News denies this, says that Trump is lying about his passports.

00:08:37.400 And then five minutes later, the DOJ was caught with egg on its face.

00:08:40.880 They had to admit they did, in fact, take Trump's passports.

00:08:43.860 And then they returned them to him.

00:08:46.140 So now, of course, the line is the DOJ, the FBI never took Trump's passports, and don't worry, they gave them back.

00:08:52.540 All of this really, really reducing the credibility of the FBI and the DOJ.

00:08:57.960 And as you suggest, this isn't about classified documents.

00:09:01.440 This isn't about the Presidential Records Act.

00:09:03.000 This isn't about the nuclear codes.

00:09:04.460 This is about January 6th and the failure of the January 6th committee.

00:09:10.480 The Republican face, the nominally Republican face of the January 6th committee, Liz Cheney, is almost certainly going to go down in flames tonight. 0.92

00:09:18.580 We're recording this on Tuesday night.

00:09:20.600 All of the polls say she's going to be ousted from office.

00:09:24.120 So that's just not working.

00:09:26.100 There was also, Senator, I don't know if you saw a really interesting article in Revolver News about the pipe bombs on January 6th.

00:09:35.920 We've heard so much about the grannies that went into the Capitol. 0.90

00:09:38.680 We've heard so much about the Horn Hat guy.

00:09:40.500 We've heard so much from the J6 committee.

00:09:42.700 We haven't heard a whole lot about those pipe bombs.

00:09:44.840 And we don't really know who planted the pipe bombs.

00:09:46.960 And it seems like that would be pretty important when we're talking about that day.

00:09:51.080 This would be the nearest that you got to serious political violence on January 6th.

00:09:57.680 And yet we've heard nothing.

00:09:58.780 So there's a Revolver News report out that suggests that there are really more questions than answers when it comes to these pipe bombs.

00:10:05.200 Why they were allegedly planted when they were.

00:10:07.420 Why the FBI isn't releasing footage of the people planting it to try to figure out who actually did it.

00:10:13.260 Just a whole, I'll just leave it at that.

00:10:15.720 A whole lot of really strange aspects to this story.

00:10:19.080 And then the strangest one of all you called out when you were grilling the FBI director, Christopher Wray,

00:10:25.040 which is that the former head of the Detroit office for the FBI, this guy, Stephen Dunn, I've got Dan Tuono is his name.

00:10:34.420 He was in charge of the operation to entrap people into trying to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the Democrat governor of Michigan.

00:10:43.100 And this was a complete cluster, didn't work.

00:10:46.940 The trial's going on right now.

00:10:48.180 It's just a complete mess for the FBI.

00:10:51.280 Shortly after that all fell apart, Stephen D'Antuono got a promotion.

00:10:55.560 He was brought over, this would be in the months before January 6th, to head up the Washington field office for the FBI.

00:11:01.700 This is one of the most prestigious posts you can have in the Bureau.

00:11:05.320 And so therefore, he's the guy that's overseeing the investigation into January 6th.

00:11:10.720 All of this has me scratching my head, Senator.

00:11:12.940 I know it had you scratching ears, which is why you grilled Christopher Wray.

00:11:16.160 Well, Michael, that's exactly right.

00:11:18.620 And you got a lot of a lot of substance in that question.

00:11:20.980 So let me try to take it one piece at a time.

00:11:22.940 And let me say at the outset, it is interesting.

00:11:25.760 Literally every single topic we are discussing in this podcast, every single topic that is leading the news right now is in my new book,

00:11:33.460 Justice Corrupted, which you can pre-order right now on Amazon.

00:11:37.920 It's coming out in just a few weeks.

00:11:39.740 In Justice Corrupted, I go into depth about Crossfire Hurricane and the partisan animus that led to that bogus investigation.

00:11:47.880 I go into depth into January 6th and the pipe bomber and the investigation and the politicization of the investigation.

00:11:53.740 I go into depth on the Gretchen Whitmer absolute debacle and explain how all of this is interconnected.

00:12:00.320 Let's start with a pipe bomb. 0.83

00:12:01.460 Look, the FBI and the Department of Justice should be focused on criminals.

00:12:07.520 It should be focused on people who commit crimes of violence.

00:12:11.100 We saw all during Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots where the federal government essentially turned a blind eye because many of the hyper-partisan senior leaders at the Department of Justice and the FBI,

00:12:25.520 even under Donald Trump, the burrowed-in career leaders who remained hard leftists, agreed with the politics of the rioters and the violent criminals and so gave them slaps on the wrist over and over again as they engaged in violent acts of terror,

00:12:42.880 firebombing police cars, looting stores, murdering officers because of the politics they disregarded violence.

00:12:52.680 On January 6th, Merrick Garland has claimed it is the largest and most significant investigation in the history of the FBI. 0.97

00:13:00.320 Like, holy crap, like, really?

00:13:03.240 Like, in the history of the FBI. 0.98

00:13:05.080 So more than 9-11, like planes flying into the World Trade Center, flying into the Pentagon, 3,000 people murdered.

00:13:12.360 This was more serious.

00:13:13.840 And the reason it's more serious is because for them it's all about politics.

00:13:18.340 Who are they targeting?

00:13:19.180 They're targeting the little old ladies who were on the mall waving American flags, singing God Bless America.

00:13:25.100 They're targeting, ultimately, every American who voted for Donald Trump, who spoke out in favor of Donald Trump.

00:13:32.160 This is a political persecution.

00:13:34.760 The White House sees it that way.

00:13:36.340 Just like the raid, the raid was a political persecution.

00:13:39.600 It's not about violence.

00:13:41.000 Now, you look at January 6th.

00:13:42.740 One action that on the face of it certainly appears to be a crime of violence and was an attempt at a serious terrorist attack are the two pipe bombs.

00:13:53.220 If pipe bombs had detonated on Capitol Hill, potentially killing dozens or more, that would have been a horrific act of violence.

00:14:02.900 Now, thankfully, neither pipe bomb detonated.

00:14:05.760 If you look at everything that transpired that day, you would think a multiple attempted bombing in the nation's capital

00:14:11.700 would be really high on the priority list of let's get someone that's trying to blow people up and murder people. 1.00

00:14:18.020 Like that, you know, between blow people up and murder people and little old lady waving a flag, 0.99

00:14:23.180 maybe blow people up and murder people would be a higher priority in any sane world. 0.81

00:14:27.920 We're now, you know, almost two years after the fact. 0.65

00:14:33.800 And we know nothing about the pipe bomber.

00:14:35.680 Apparently, there's video of it.

00:14:36.880 Apparently, the pipe bomber dropped the bombs off at 8 p.m. the night before.

00:14:40.700 They have video of it.

00:14:41.960 If they've ever caught the guy, they've never told anyone.

00:14:44.360 There's no case.

00:14:45.060 There's no prosecution.

00:14:46.220 Apparently, the guy with the horns is a massive threat to the cosmos.

00:14:53.180 But a ostensibly homicidal bomber, no concern, nothing to see here.

00:14:59.500 It is weird.

00:15:00.660 When the DOJ or the FBI is before the Judiciary Committee, I asked them about it.

00:15:06.500 And they consistently refused to answer.

00:15:08.480 Nothing to see here.

00:15:09.260 Nope.

00:15:09.540 Never mind the bomber.

00:15:10.400 We don't care.

00:15:10.960 Not our focus.

00:15:11.740 Nope.

00:15:12.320 Their attitude is we don't have to answer your questions.

00:15:16.520 And it's not just we don't answer to Congress.

00:15:19.800 It's we don't answer to the American people. 0.81

00:15:21.480 We decide what we want to do, and no one dares question us.

00:15:27.020 And look, this Revolver article, I don't know how accurate or not it is.

00:15:32.460 It raises questions.

00:15:34.220 The implication is that the pipe bombs were not actually planted by real criminals but were part of a fraud.

00:15:44.460 Some court of entrapment or hoax.

00:15:46.540 I don't know.

00:15:47.280 I want to be cautious about suggesting that.

00:15:51.280 But I will say this.

00:15:53.520 When law enforcement, A, doesn't make it a priority to target actual violent criminals and, B, answers no questions, has no transparency, and behaves as if they have no accountability, they shouldn't be surprised when they have no credibility and people don't trust them.

00:16:09.120 Well, and especially on this issue, Senator, of Stephen D'Antuono, I mean, to me, that's the craziest part of all.

00:16:15.280 Forget the fact that the timers on the bombs apparently were not functioning.

00:16:21.040 The timing wouldn't have made a whole lot of sense.

00:16:22.840 Forget any of the questions that were raised by that.

00:16:25.960 The very fact that a guy who we know led an entrapment campaign, a poorly orchestrated entrapment campaign, by the way, in Michigan, then becomes the head of the Washington field office.

00:16:36.120 I think we have the clip of your grilling Ray because initially Ray tries to deny it, and then you've laid out the facts, and he can't help but admit that you're right.

00:16:46.260 There was the case against individuals charged with kidnapping and murdering Governor Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan.

00:16:55.980 Well, the special agent in charge of that case has now been sent to D.C., to the Washington, D.C. office, and now leads the investigation regarding January 6th.

00:17:06.240 Is that correct?

00:17:07.980 That doesn't sound right to me.

00:17:09.540 That does not sound right.

00:17:10.620 The name of the individual is Stephen D'Antonio.

00:17:14.460 He was run out of the FBI Detroit field office.

00:17:17.640 And by the way, I will point out that the lead investigator, Special Agent Track, are you aware that he was apparently fired or allegedly beating his wife after coming home from a swingers party,

00:17:29.100 and he'd made multiple derogatory political posts about President Trump showing political bias?

00:17:34.440 Are you aware of that?

00:17:35.120 I am aware of, I think, the incident you're describing and action that was taken about it.

00:17:40.840 To clarify on the first part of your question, Mr. D'Antonio was the special agent in charge of the office, the Detroit field office,

00:17:49.380 and is now the assistant director in charge of the Washington field office.

00:17:52.640 I thought you were asking about the agent who was responsible for the investigation.

00:17:55.560 So the guy in charge got promoted and is now in charge of the January 6th investigation?

00:17:59.800 The guy in charge of the whole Detroit field office is now in charge of the whole Washington field office.

00:18:04.600 That is astonishing.

00:18:06.660 He tries to get out of it, Senator.

00:18:08.680 He says, I don't know.

00:18:09.460 I'm not really familiar.

00:18:10.380 What are you talking about?

00:18:11.180 I'm talking about this guy.

00:18:12.220 I'm naming this name, this date, this office.

00:18:15.060 Oh, yeah.

00:18:15.800 Yeah, I guess he got the promotion.

00:18:17.760 So, and it's worth unpacking that for a little bit.

00:18:20.540 And let's start out with what happened in Michigan.

00:18:22.720 So if you remember in the fall of 2020, right before a big election, the FBI breathlessly

00:18:30.460 announces that they've uncovered a plot to kidnap and murder the governor of Michigan, Gretchen

00:18:35.720 Whitmer. 0.98

00:18:36.420 Now, that's a big damn deal. 0.99

00:18:37.800 You're like, holy cow. 0.98

00:18:38.720 All right.

00:18:38.860 If you've got a plot to do that, like go prosecute those guys, throw them in jail a long

00:18:42.500 time.

00:18:43.200 Thank you, FBI, for like stopping criminals.

00:18:45.660 That's your job.

00:18:46.320 Now, I'll point out at the same time that that prosecution happened to perfectly align

00:18:54.460 with the political narrative of Joe Biden and the Democrats because these alleged criminals

00:19:00.040 were doing it because they were mad about Gretchen Whitmer's COVID lockdown policies.

00:19:04.980 And because Trump had criticized Whitmer, the whole narrative was, you know what?

00:19:09.360 It's Trump's fault. 0.99

00:19:10.500 See, any Trump supporter is a violent criminal. 0.99

00:19:14.140 Look, those guys are literally trying to kidnap and murder a Democratic governor. 0.97

00:19:18.580 So it fit the political narrative beautifully, which, by the way, the corrupt corporate media 0.96

00:19:22.640 got, ran with, danced, celebrated, said, see, unless you are a violent murderer, too, you 0.61

00:19:29.440 better vote for Joe Biden.

00:19:30.600 That was what it was all about.

00:19:31.640 All right.

00:19:32.540 Fast forward to the actual trial.

00:19:35.200 Four guys go on trial.

00:19:37.120 They're charged with various crimes all related to an alleged plot to kidnap and murder Gretchen

00:19:43.040 Whitmer.

00:19:44.140 At the end of the trial in federal court, the four defendants are convicted of zero counts,

00:19:51.660 nothing.

00:19:52.680 Two of them are acquitted across the board.

00:19:54.440 The jury comes back and says, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.

00:19:58.740 Two of them have hung juries.

00:20:01.240 So the juries can't agree.

00:20:02.940 And so they have mistrials declared.

00:20:04.240 So in the course of the trial, the prosecution gets zero convictions on anything.

00:20:11.560 Now, in any prosecution, that's a big deal.

00:20:16.280 That's a big, serious problem.

00:20:19.080 Prosecution wins almost every case they bring.

00:20:21.780 Typically, the prosecutors don't bring a case unless they can get you and they got the

00:20:25.200 evidence.

00:20:25.600 So it's unusual for the prosecution to lose.

00:20:28.820 But it's even worse than that.

00:20:30.280 Why did they lose?

00:20:31.580 Well, the principal defense.

00:20:34.500 From the defendants was entrapment.

00:20:38.640 It was that the FBI informants, people who are on the payroll of the FBI, who are working 0.99

00:20:43.640 for the federal government, that they were the ones that suggested the damn thing. 0.97

00:20:47.780 They were the ones that kept urging him to do that. 0.92

00:20:49.800 In fact, the defendants pressed back, said, hey, let's not do this.

00:20:53.880 This is a bad idea.

00:20:54.880 Let's let's not kidnap and murder the governor.

00:20:56.960 Gosh, your idea is interesting, but no, thank you.

00:21:00.300 And the FBI agents or the undercover informants kept saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:21:04.960 We got to do this.

00:21:05.980 Really important, really important.

00:21:07.500 We kidnap her really important. 1.00

00:21:08.740 We murder her. 0.97

00:21:09.340 And that was the defendant's defense's arguments. 0.88

00:21:14.100 And apparently the jury agreed.

00:21:15.760 That was the principal defense put forward.

00:21:18.820 Now, for any law enforcement, look, there's a general line.

00:21:23.260 What are the rules governing undercover officers?

00:21:27.020 Law enforcement all the time has undercover officers.

00:21:29.740 You go in, you go into the mob, you go into a drug cartel, you have someone undercover

00:21:33.920 who pretends to be part of it, and you can gather evidence and that can be used in a

00:21:37.680 prosecution.

00:21:38.360 That's legitimate.

00:21:40.100 What is not legitimate, the line is you can't engage in entrapment.

00:21:44.700 You can't be the one who is the source, the genesis of the illegal conduct, that it is

00:21:52.740 an abuse of government power when they send an agent to you and say, hey, Michael, don't

00:21:58.780 you really want to steal that fancy watch from behind?

00:22:03.480 They can't go suggest to citizens they break the law.

00:22:07.820 The guy in charge.

00:22:11.280 So this was all run out of the Detroit field office, the guy in charge of it, Stephen D'Antuano.

00:22:17.520 This is one of the biggest scandals in the history of the FBI to lose a marquee front page, top

00:22:25.500 of the fold banner headline case because of misconduct by your office.

00:22:31.560 In any sane and ordinary and responsible law enforcement office, everyone involved would have been fired.

00:22:39.200 That's just like the level of scandal.

00:22:42.280 You didn't just screw it up.

00:22:43.480 It was your misconduct.

00:22:44.820 Yeah.

00:22:45.300 That messed it all up.

00:22:47.080 The fact that in this FBI, the guy, A, doesn't get fired, B, gets promoted, but C, gets put

00:22:58.640 in charge of the January 6th prosecution. 0.89

00:23:03.640 Are you frigging kidding me? 0.92

00:23:05.800 I mean, that is, as I said at the end of that cross-examination, it is astonishing. 0.98

00:23:11.520 And what it is, Michael, is it's a manifestation of that hubris.

00:23:15.360 He's like, well, it was the line agents that did that.

00:23:19.700 You know, whatever happened to Harry S. Truman, the buck stops here.

00:23:22.420 Apparently, no one has accountability for anything.

00:23:25.800 No one's fired.

00:23:26.720 No one's reprimanded.

00:23:27.760 Nothing happens.

00:23:28.680 Well, I guess the line agents, the guy in charge, who allegedly beat his wife and was

00:23:33.540 running around at Swingers Convention.

00:23:34.980 So, you know, really speaks to the caliber of folks, you know, he lost his job, but his

00:23:42.080 boss got promoted that there is unfortunately a culture and I trace it back to the Obama

00:23:52.180 years where the Obama years, they viewed DOJ and the FBI as their political stormtroopers.

00:23:58.960 And what they did, they promoted from within hard partisans into senior positions and they

00:24:06.880 burrowed in.

00:24:07.800 And unfortunately, there are far too many of them.

00:24:09.440 They're still there.

00:24:10.280 And it raises a whole lot of red flags.

00:24:12.100 I mean, if you get a guy who was in charge of an operation that involved entrapment and

00:24:16.780 hoaxes and misconduct, and then he gets the promotion, he goes to Washington, D.C.

00:24:21.860 Already, there are a lot of questions about that day.

00:24:24.700 One of the chief instigators among the people to say, go in, we have to go into the Capitol.

00:24:30.580 We've got to storm the Capitol.

00:24:31.740 When he did that in the streets of Washington, the people around him said, Fed, Fed, Fed, he's

00:24:35.920 a Fed.

00:24:36.380 All the strange questions about the pipe bombs.

00:24:39.020 It just, it's just not a good look.

00:24:41.080 Okay.

00:24:41.300 And you add on top of that, the fact that there has been such misconduct, such abuse of power,

00:24:45.760 such corruption at the FBI and the DOJ going back to crossfire hurricane and, and the

00:24:50.860 subsequent events.

00:24:51.720 I just, when people don't have faith in federal law enforcement and the political leadership

00:24:57.660 of federal law enforcement, that's not our fault.

00:25:00.180 Okay.

00:25:00.560 That's the fault of the people who squandered that credibility.

00:25:04.460 And, you know, Michael, what's amazing is the Democrats who have majorities in Congress

00:25:08.600 have zero interest in discovering what happened.

00:25:11.720 So it's been a year and a half.

00:25:12.880 We've had no hearings on the Gretchen Whitmer case, on the entrapment, on, on the disastrous

00:25:19.480 debacle of that case, because the Democrats have, are not interested in knowing what happens.

00:25:25.440 They're quite happy.

00:25:26.640 Look, the, the cross-examination I had of, of Chris Ray, no Democrat had any interest in

00:25:33.220 following up on that.

00:25:34.200 They're like, oh, good.

00:25:35.520 The guy involved in entrapment is now in charge of January 6th.

00:25:38.420 Hey, work for us.

00:25:39.380 Awesome.

00:25:40.140 Like, like it, it is amazing.

00:25:43.220 And I will say one of the things that underscores the stakes of this election in November, if

00:25:48.860 Republicans take a majority in both houses, we need to have hearings on these topics.

00:25:52.560 We need to have hearings on every one of these topics.

00:25:55.640 We need to examine.

00:25:56.680 We need to use subpoenas. 0.97

00:25:57.660 We need to drag Merrick Garland and Chris Ray down there and keep them there and make

00:26:03.200 them answer questions, not let them get away with this, Blythe, you know, I am the king.

00:26:10.300 I answer to nobody, which is the attitude they have.

00:26:13.320 And I very much hope, A, that we win in November, but B, that we see that accountability.

00:26:17.920 Of course, it's, it's urgent too, because they're busting into the doors at Mar-a-Lago today,

00:26:22.600 but it really could be anyone who's considered a political enemy of our ruling class.

00:26:27.260 Now, it's not only the Democrats who don't want you talking about this sort of stuff,

00:26:31.140 Senator, it is even the fake Republicans.

00:26:34.260 I saw this headline.

00:26:35.740 I have got to get your reaction to it.

00:26:38.120 This is from Michael Steele.

00:26:40.100 Michael Steele was the head of the Republican National Committee.

00:26:43.680 Now he's a talking head on MSNBC, and he only ever goes on the liberal shows and attacks

00:26:49.040 Republicans.

00:26:49.980 He said, as directed at you, Senator, just sit the hell down, please.

00:26:55.860 Stop it.

00:26:56.600 This, in response to your speech at CPAC, says it is more fascism than farce.

00:27:02.560 It is more concern than conservatism.

00:27:05.980 And it really is about how we as a citizen respond to this, how we push back against it.

00:27:11.900 Blah, blah, blah.

00:27:12.860 Cruz is the worst. 0.98

00:27:13.940 Any response? 0.98

00:27:16.420 I will say that's a badge of honor.

00:27:18.520 I'm glad to hear it.

00:27:19.560 Look, I'd say it's three things simultaneously.

00:27:22.560 One, there's a whole cadre of squishy moderate establishment Republicans who barely believed

00:27:28.940 anything to begin with.

00:27:30.660 And they were a real problem in our party for a long time.

00:27:34.640 They gave rise to my election.

00:27:38.020 They gave rise to the rise of Donald Trump.

00:27:40.060 It was a reaction to these folks who didn't believe anything.

00:27:46.520 Secondly, many of those same folks are now fully consumed by TDS, by Trump derangement

00:27:55.560 syndrome.

00:27:56.220 They just hate Donald Trump so much that they're consumed by it.

00:28:01.400 You mentioned Liz Cheney.

00:28:02.520 Liz Cheney is unrecognizable from who she was, you know, five, six years ago. 0.89

00:28:07.140 Bill Kristol.

00:28:07.900 Bill Kristol used to be Dan Quayle's chief of staff.

00:28:10.620 He ran the Weekly Standard, which was a conservative publication.

00:28:14.820 He now is indistinguishable from a raving left-wing Democrat.

00:28:18.780 It's also worth remembering Bill Kristol discovered Sarah Palin.

00:28:21.920 I know that now Bill and other people on the kind of squishy side or just outright now have

00:28:27.700 switched to the left.

00:28:28.400 They try to say Palin is the problem, Cruz, Trump, all these right-wingers in the conservative

00:28:34.260 movement.

00:28:35.240 Bill Kristol discovered that lady and made her a national thing. 0.92

00:28:38.040 Well, and what's funny, it's not just the folks that are destroyed by TDS.

00:28:42.100 It's not just that they don't like what Trump says or does.

00:28:45.780 It's not just that they say, well, we need to speak with greater decorum.

00:28:48.780 You can make that case.

00:28:50.600 They become left-wingers on everything.

00:28:52.740 They look at Build Back Broke and say, woohoo, raise taxes, spend money, more debt.

00:28:58.400 I mean, their rhetoric is indistinguishable from Chuck Schumer's.

00:29:03.220 I mean, they literally have just flipped over.

00:29:06.440 And then the third dynamic is Steele, who I don't know the guy, but apparently makes a

00:29:12.020 living now going on MSNBC.

00:29:13.980 And there's a whole little cottage industry of, quote, former Republicans who get paid to

00:29:21.060 go on TV.

00:29:21.740 And their job description is simple.

00:29:23.540 You have to do two things.

00:29:24.680 Number one, you have to at some time have called yourself a Republican.

00:29:28.080 And he helps because he was actually head of the RNC.

00:29:31.120 So he's got a good, good sort of fake costume there.

00:29:34.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:29:34.580 But then, too, you have to be willing to piss on Republicans all day long. 0.66

00:29:37.440 They have no interest in reasoned analysis.

00:29:40.440 They have no interest in you're actually considering substance. 1.00

00:29:43.200 Your job is I am former Republican who says Republicans all suck. 0.98

00:29:47.500 That's what I get paid to do on MSNBC. 0.97

00:29:49.520 And it's how I get my measly little paycheck to pay the second mortgage on on my condo in

00:29:56.140 Old Town, Virginia.

00:29:58.620 That is a phenomenon. 0.96

00:30:01.640 And it's an it's an unfortunate silly one.

00:30:04.260 And by the way, what he was reacting to was my speech at CPAC, the central thesis of which

00:30:09.960 is revival is coming, that this administration has gone so extreme, people's eyes are opening

00:30:14.620 up and they want to take the country back in the direction of free enterprise and freedom

00:30:18.720 and defending the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

00:30:20.780 And what is his response to that? 1.00

00:30:22.640 Sit the hell down and shut up. 0.99

00:30:25.960 OK, Boomer, thanks for your input. 1.00

00:30:29.040 You screwed it up.

00:30:30.820 Now's time for actually people who believe something to to lead.

00:30:34.660 Well, that is the key.

00:30:35.340 You'll sometimes hear this.

00:30:37.260 I always hear this with ex-Catholics or I don't even know if you'd say ex-Catholic,

00:30:41.900 but you'll sometimes hear people say whenever pontificating on some matter of the church,

00:30:45.800 they'll say, listen, I went to Catholic school and let me tell you and you can be certain

00:30:50.880 every time someone says that they don't know anything about the Catholic church.

00:30:55.200 And I think it's almost the perfect analogy where they'll say, listen, as a former Republican

00:30:59.540 and then they go on and they misrepresent Republicans views.

00:31:02.500 They frequently can't articulate them at all.

00:31:04.280 Because I think in 99 times out of 100, they never really believed that stuff to begin with.

00:31:10.740 They never really knew what they were supposed to believe to begin with.

00:31:13.820 And so it was a natural evolution for them to move over to the other side.

00:31:18.120 I see that with virtually all of these so-called former Republicans.

00:31:22.580 They're just kind of squishes who opportunistically were in the GOP while it served them.

00:31:27.620 But because they didn't really believe very much on life, on liberty,

00:31:31.200 on the American way of life, that they just switched when the going got tough.

00:31:36.060 And so when they leave the party, I say, good, sayonara, glad.

00:31:39.540 Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

00:31:41.340 By the way, did you see there was a really weird article in the last week from some,

00:31:46.020 I think CBS or I don't know, some media outlet about praying the rosary as a tool of extremist hate?

00:31:53.380 It was like the most, okay, it was, it was so bizarre.

00:32:01.060 I actually assumed it was Babylon Bee.

00:32:03.760 Like it was like, okay, this is actually pretty good satire. 0.82

00:32:07.200 Like I get this is really making fun of crazy lefties, except they write it anyway. 0.96

00:32:11.620 Like, like they're just, it is making comedy harder because they will say any asinine thing. 0.91

00:32:17.580 But what was your reaction to, to, all right, I'm going to play the straight man here.

00:32:21.820 Michael is praying the rosary, a tool of extremist hate.

00:32:26.380 Well, I actually have a high capacity rosary.

00:32:29.220 So my rosary has 50 Hail Marys on it.

00:32:34.380 But not just that, we've got some Our Fathers.

00:32:36.360 We got some Glory Bees. 0.77

00:32:37.960 Now the rosary has been around for what, roughly a thousand years.

00:32:42.260 And really even earlier than that, because the, there were earlier forms of what became the rosary, Christian prayer beads, going back to the very earliest days of the church.

00:32:51.540 And the Atlantic, whoever wrote this column, obviously doesn't know anything about that.

00:32:55.760 In the subheader, they actually referred to the rosary as a sacrament.

00:33:00.080 And again, you don't need to be a doctor of the church to know that the rosary is not a sacrament.

00:33:05.320 Seven sacraments of the church, rosary beads are not one of them.

00:33:07.920 And so they broadcast their ignorance basically from the headline of the piece, but then they spout off on it anyway because the author, just like so many liberals, is frequently wrong but never in doubt.

00:33:20.560 And what is this about?

00:33:21.780 I mean, I think they actually have a really clear political motivation here.

00:33:26.220 They want to cast anything that is Christian as extreme or terrorism.

00:33:32.620 And so when you see, when you see, as frequently occurs, little old nuns praying outside of a planned parenthood, praying their rosaries, why, that's a symbol of terrorism. 0.67

00:33:43.380 That's a great threat to the country.

00:33:45.000 We better call law enforcement out on them. 0.94

00:33:47.680 We've got to suppress these symbols of hate.

00:33:49.980 So I'm holding on to my beads.

00:33:52.120 They are not registered.

00:33:54.060 And moulin la vee, that's what I say about my rosary.

00:33:56.960 Come and take it.

00:33:57.540 Well, and to be fair, though, you know, I guess The Atlantic does have a point.

00:34:01.600 If I remember correctly, one of the Godfather movies, one of the assassins was dressed as a priest and carrying the rosary and committed murder.

00:34:09.100 So there we go.

00:34:10.340 QED, they've proven their case.

00:34:13.320 It's so preposterous.

00:34:16.020 It's the only thing that one can do is sort of laugh at it and pray, I guess, is the other thing that we can do. 0.97

00:34:22.520 But they're revealing such a degree of ignorance and such a degree of hypocrisy frequently.

00:34:28.540 There's one story I have to get to before I let you go, which combines all of these things.

00:34:33.940 In New York, my home state, in Washington, D.C., a place where you spend a lot of time, where I spend a lot of time, too.

00:34:40.320 These are sanctuary cities.

00:34:42.320 These are places that say we are open to immigrants, specifically illegal immigrants.

00:34:47.800 No borders, no people are illegal.

00:34:51.020 Come here.

00:34:52.980 And so then the governor of your state, Senator, decided to take them up on their offer.

00:34:58.400 And he said, OK, we've got historic numbers of illegal aliens pouring across the border, probably going to be more than 2 million this year.

00:35:06.020 And so that's fine.

00:35:07.200 If you want to take them New York, you want to take them D.C., put them on a bus for free.

00:35:11.440 The governor's paying for it and ships them up to New York.

00:35:14.220 The mayors of New York and D.C. are absolutely losing their minds over it.

00:35:18.780 They're saying this is terrible.

00:35:19.880 They're saying this puts a strain on the resources of these cities.

00:35:22.860 It's a horrific thing to do.

00:35:24.560 And I thought, hold on.

00:35:25.320 Wait a minute.

00:35:26.080 I was previously told by these very same mayors and politicians that illegal immigration is a net contributor to our economy.

00:35:33.900 And it's really great and it's really wonderful.

00:35:35.360 And it doesn't put a stress on any of our resources.

00:35:37.060 And it doesn't bring crime or anything else.

00:35:39.280 But now they're saying, not in my backyard, that illegal immigration is really great in the Republican states.

00:35:43.820 It's not good in the blue cities that encourage it. 0.74

00:35:46.720 You know, I got to say this story reveals, as you said, the fear and ignorance and the absolute hypocrisy of the left.

00:35:54.280 So the mayors of both D.C. and New York have been holding press conferences, hysterical press conferences.

00:36:00.780 The mayor of D.C., Muriel Bowser, has said that the 6,000 illegal immigrants that Texas has put on buses and sent up to D.C.

00:36:08.480 has created a crisis and it is unacceptable and it has to stop.

00:36:13.140 Now, that's just 6,000.

00:36:15.840 Since Joe Biden has become president, three and a half million illegal immigrants have crossed the border.

00:36:21.200 We have towns in South Texas that have seen massive hundreds of thousands, millions of people coming through.

00:36:32.960 She says 6,000 is a crisis.

00:36:36.940 I publicly urge the governor, if she thinks 6,000 is a crisis, we ought to send 600,000.

00:36:42.420 600,000 would be roughly one-sixth of the number of illegal immigrants who have come in under Joe Biden.

00:36:49.280 By the way, if she doesn't like it, she is a member of a party, the Democrat Party.

00:36:53.740 The person responsible for these three and a half million dollars lives in her city in Washington, D.C.

00:36:59.000 I can give her his address at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

00:37:03.020 His name is Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

00:37:05.120 He made a political decision to let three and a half million illegal immigrants in.

00:37:09.160 His view was Texas, if it destroys communities in red states, that's great. 1.00

00:37:14.640 Eventually, these folks will vote Democrat, he believes.

00:37:17.340 So let there be lots of suffering and misery and poverty. 0.99

00:37:21.460 Let there be children sexually assaulted. 0.99

00:37:23.880 Let there be women trapped in sex slavery. 1.00

00:37:26.820 Let there be horrific abuse and disease and crime.

00:37:30.040 All of that because politics is worth it.

00:37:32.400 If she wants to fix it, the leader of her party can fix it anytime he damn well wants by simply choosing to follow the law.

00:37:39.700 Now, Eric Adams, the mayor of New York, in some ways is even funnier.

00:37:44.260 He's done these hysterical press conferences, losing his mind, saying, please stop sending illegal immigrants to New York.

00:37:49.480 And he's threatened.

00:37:51.900 He said, I'm going to send busloads of New Yorkers to go to Texas to campaign against Greg Abbott for governor.

00:38:00.540 Now, I have to admit, I did have some great joy responding and said, well, actually, to be fair, there are already thousands of busloads of New Yorkers fleeing New York and coming to Texas.

00:38:11.140 And Eric Adams is driving them away.

00:38:13.200 Now, they're coming to Texas because we're an oasis of freedom and New York is run by left wing numbnuts who are trying to recreate the hellscape of the 70s.

00:38:26.120 Yeah.

00:38:26.220 You know, it's like escape from New York.

00:38:30.140 Snake Plissken is going to have to sneak in and break people out of New York to go to paradises like Texas or Florida. 0.78

00:38:37.000 Yeah. But secondly, you got to say, Eric Adams, I think he might be slightly off in his assessment of the politics of Texas because he thinks a bunch of left wing New York Democrats coming down to Texas saying, hi, we're New Yorkers.

00:38:53.760 Please vote against your Republican governor. 0.96

00:38:56.020 That is somehow going to cause Texans to go, oh, OK, we want our state to suck as much as you've screwed your city up. 0.98

00:39:03.420 So let's do that. 0.99

00:39:05.340 It is absurd.

00:39:06.620 And here's a final point.

00:39:07.960 Yeah.

00:39:08.420 I'm very glad Greg Abbott is doing it.

00:39:10.320 It's the right thing to do.

00:39:11.300 He ought to accelerate it massively.

00:39:12.960 As you know, Abbott and I are good friends.

00:39:14.740 I worked for him five and a half years.

00:39:17.340 I had urged him to do this.

00:39:19.020 And in fact, I filed legislation that said we shouldn't just ship him to New York and D.C.

00:39:25.780 We ought to ship illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. 1.00

00:39:30.140 We ought to ship him to Nantucket.

00:39:32.320 We ought to ship him to South Hampton.

00:39:34.080 We ought to ship him to Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, where Biden vacations.

00:39:38.540 We ought to ship him to Cupertino, California.

00:39:40.720 Every place that rich liberals sit and swirl Chardonnay, they ought to sit there and watch busload after busload after busload of illegal immigrants unloading. 1.00

00:39:53.100 And by the way, the Martha's Vineyard mayor publicly engaged me and said, oh, we would love that.

00:40:00.980 We would welcome it.

00:40:03.100 Really?

00:40:03.820 Calling my vet.

00:40:05.220 Don't play chicken, mayor.

00:40:07.680 Let's just start with the 6,000 that went to Washington, D.C. 0.98

00:40:13.040 It reveals the utter hypocrisy of the left.

00:40:18.180 They're willing to cause human suffering as long as it doesn't impinge on the view from their golf course. 0.76

00:40:24.640 I'm just picturing it when it comes to the busloads of New Yorkers campaigning against the Republicans.

00:40:29.800 And I'm picturing my cousin Vinny, you know, knock, knock on the door.

00:40:33.780 Hey, you hear about all these youths they're shipping up?

00:40:36.480 All these youths, you know, they're shipping them up.

00:40:39.000 It's not going to be very persuasive.

00:40:40.700 And the thing you're bringing up, by the way, Senator, it was just described by Mike Anton over at the Claremont Institute.

00:40:47.400 I thought in a really good way.

00:40:48.860 He describes it as the celebration parallax.

00:40:52.680 A parallax being the position of an object seen from different vantage points.

00:40:57.420 And he says that what the liberals are doing now is they're saying something.

00:41:03.040 And then when the conservatives simply restate what the liberals have said, the liberals deny that.

00:41:10.640 The liberals get to celebrate it.

00:41:12.320 The conservatives, when they say it, are punished for it.

00:41:14.320 And you see it in this case.

00:41:15.400 The liberals are saying illegal immigration is putting a massive strain on the resources of our cities when it shows up here.

00:41:23.320 And so we really just want to limit illegal immigration to the red states.

00:41:27.140 And then and this is a cause for celebration.

00:41:29.060 The conservatives go out and they say, hey, illegal immigration is putting a huge strain on our resources.

00:41:33.560 And you just want to limit it to our states.

00:41:34.680 And they say, how dare you?

00:41:35.620 That's evil.

00:41:36.560 That's a lie.

00:41:37.400 That's fake news.

00:41:38.400 That's inhumane.

00:41:39.140 They're saying exactly the same thing.

00:41:40.900 The question is just who is allowed to say it?

00:41:43.340 It's an awfully good question, but I will say it is a question that is causing people's eyes to open up.

00:41:50.820 It is causing them to see the hypocrisy that is leading to a revival in November.

00:41:56.180 And that is causing folks like our friend Michael Steele to lose their mind.

00:42:00.160 Yeah.

00:42:00.560 Now, one question before I let you go.

00:42:02.780 This is from our mailbag.

00:42:03.680 I don't want to let our wonderful Verdict Plus subscribers down.

00:42:06.860 This question is from Adam Baum, 1750.

00:42:11.020 Love a great pun.

00:42:11.660 And this question, very, very important, especially compared to all the stuff we've been talking about today.

00:42:17.980 What's your favorite band?

00:42:20.820 What's my favorite band?

00:42:22.840 So I'm not terribly musically literate.

00:42:26.380 So it's actually a complicated question.

00:42:28.760 I grew up as a kid listening to classic rock.

00:42:31.460 So I listened to groups like The Who, Genesis, The Kinks.

00:42:38.120 I saw Pink Floyd in concert.

00:42:41.660 And now I listen more to country music.

00:42:44.740 In fact, I was supposed to.

00:42:46.460 All right.

00:42:46.760 I was so bummed.

00:42:47.500 I was supposed to go last weekend to Garth Brooks.

00:42:50.820 And it was awesome.

00:42:52.440 I got invited to go backstage and meet Garth Brooks.

00:42:55.000 I never met Garth Brooks.

00:42:55.880 I'm not someone who generally hangs out with like famous musicians, but it was cool.

00:43:00.980 I got an invitation.

00:43:01.920 Hey, you want to come back and meet Garth Brooks?

00:43:03.540 Because I was like, holy cow, I would love to.

00:43:06.720 The concert was in Houston Saturday night.

00:43:11.160 We were in D.C. all night voting on Votorama Saturday night.

00:43:14.280 So not only did I see the Democrats bankrupt America, jack up taxes, pass a bill that will 0.85

00:43:20.300 increase gas prices, increase inflation, but I missed the frigging Garth Brooks concert. 0.84

00:43:24.620 So it completely bummed me out.

00:43:28.080 And the fellow who had invited me to go, he sent me pictures from the concert, which was

00:43:33.120 a little bit like sort of rubbing salt in the wounds.

00:43:35.840 I'm like, yeah, that concert looks pretty amazing.

00:43:37.760 And I'm, I'm down in the basement of the Capitol right now.

00:43:41.760 And wow, that's, that's not where I am.

00:43:43.940 If it makes you feel any better, Senator, I'm not convinced that you have not met Garth Brooks

00:43:48.680 because I have never seen Garth Brooks and Glenn Beck in the same room at the same time.

00:43:55.000 So I'm not making any accusations here.

00:43:57.280 It's just to me, a little bit suspect.

00:44:00.740 Those two guys, I don't know.

00:44:01.760 It's kind of Clark Kent situation.

00:44:02.860 I have to say, by the way, this, this year, earlier this year, I was supposed to take

00:44:08.440 the family to George Strait in concert at the Houston Rodeo.

00:44:12.380 And, uh, we were coming back from spring break.

00:44:15.780 We had been skiing and we ended up missing our plane.

00:44:19.220 And so this has been a bad year for concerts because I've had two concerts.

00:44:22.560 I was completely psyched to go to George Strait and Garth Brooks.

00:44:25.980 And I missed them both, which, uh, which really sucked.

00:44:29.120 But I did get to see the Eagles in concert, uh, this year, which was an amazing concert.

00:44:33.820 So I enjoyed that.

00:44:34.960 Uh, but I would say, I don't know that I necessarily have one favorite band, but I'd say it used

00:44:40.660 to be classic rock.

00:44:41.780 Now it has shifted more country.

00:44:43.400 And probably Smokey Mike and the God King, I assume is a favorite of yours.

00:44:46.280 I mean, we can get it more into it, you know, at a later date.

00:44:48.680 Uh, we will be getting into a lot more at a later date because we are now accepting applications

00:44:53.740 for the YAF campus tour.

00:44:56.500 If you want to submit your school as a possible venue for the YAF campus tour, you go to

00:45:02.280 yaf.org slash verdict.

00:45:05.300 We had lots of fun last time.

00:45:07.240 We went down to Texas A&M.

00:45:09.540 We went to Yale.

00:45:10.760 We've been all over the place.

00:45:12.460 So go submit your schools.

00:45:14.860 Uh, we're going to be doing three campuses apply today, yaf.org slash verdict.

00:45:19.900 But before we go on the road, there is so much more to discuss.

00:45:24.300 And that will be on the cloakroom with our friend, Liz Wheeler.

00:45:27.760 Liz, what are you gonna be talking about?

00:45:29.220 So what we're going to talk about on cloakroom today is actually a continuation of what you

00:45:32.920 talked about on verdict today.

00:45:34.320 And it's this distrust that the American people feel in our government institutions and what

00:45:39.680 the recourse for this is, because there is this feeling in our country of hopelessness.

00:45:44.080 What do we do to counter, you know, the FBI's abuse of power when they raided Mar-a-Lago?

00:45:48.060 And in the wake, actually, of the Inflation Reduction Act, or so-called Inflation Reduction

00:45:53.800 Act, people are also talking about this as it relates to fiscal responsibility in our

00:45:58.080 country.

00:45:58.800 There's a movement called Convention of States that's proposing an idea, but this isn't

00:46:03.620 widely accepted in the conservative movement or the Republican Party.

00:46:06.980 So we are going to break down what this is, what the pros and the cons of this are, and

00:46:11.860 if it would be workable.

00:46:12.940 And if it's workable, how would we prepare for this?

00:46:15.740 So it's going to be very in-depth, very nitty-gritty, and exactly what conversation our country

00:46:20.640 needs to have on how to solve these issues.

00:46:23.120 You can join us at verdictwithtedcruz.com slash plus.

00:46:26.980 My promo code, as always, is cloakroom.

00:46:29.080 You can watch for free for a month on your annual subscription.

00:46:32.300 Verdictwithtedcruz.com slash plus.

00:46:34.740 And we'll see if we get a new constitution or some changes to our constitution.

00:46:38.500 I look forward to it, but that's all for me.

00:46:40.860 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:46:41.520 This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.

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