Verdict with Ted Cruz - Harvard President Resigns-But Harvard Remains Defiant & Refuses to Confront Antisemitism

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00:00:05.280 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.420 And Senator, let's start with the big breaking news,

00:00:11.900 something you've been calling for for quite some time,

00:00:15.120 and that is for the Harvard president to be ousted from that position.

00:00:20.660 President Gay has resigned after what the media is calling her Rocky testimony 0.99

00:00:26.500 and these new plagiarism allegations.

00:00:30.800 And I think we should be honest with the verdict, listener.

00:00:33.620 Do not be bamboozled by the mainstream media here trying to claim

00:00:37.160 this has anything to do with her anti-Semitic testimony before Congress.

00:00:41.180 They were more than happy to protect her.

00:00:43.380 Harvard was.

00:00:44.600 With everything that she said before Congress,

00:00:46.900 this is separate about the plagiarism allegations that have come out.

00:00:51.600 Well, yesterday's news that Claudia and Gay resigned as president of Harvard

00:00:55.700 is a big, big deal.

00:00:57.060 The president of Harvard is the premier academic position,

00:01:01.280 arguably in the United States, very possibly in the world.

00:01:05.500 And Claudine Gay was the embodiment of the moral rot and corruption 1.00

00:01:12.460 at the heart of our elite academic institutions.

00:01:17.040 Her resigning is a major step forward, and it was not done willingly.

00:01:22.860 It was not done voluntarily.

00:01:24.140 It was not done easily.

00:01:25.820 It was, I believe, inevitable.

00:01:28.200 And this is something you and I have been talking about on this podcast

00:01:30.660 for two months now, that it was clear,

00:01:35.220 especially ever since her testimony before Congress,

00:01:38.680 that she needed to resign and that I believed she would resign.

00:01:42.880 Now, this goes back.

00:01:45.880 She has only been in the position for six months and two days.

00:01:49.140 She has the shortest tenure of any president of Harvard

00:01:51.660 in the history of the institution, centuries long.

00:01:56.100 This goes back to October 7th, to the horrific attacks that occurred in Israel.

00:02:01.460 And you'll recall in the days that follow those attacks,

00:02:04.660 the Harvard administration was silent.

00:02:07.900 It could not bring itself to condemn the atrocities carried out by Hamas. 0.76

00:02:12.620 35 student groups at the Harvard campus put out a statement blaming Israel for all of those atrocities,

00:02:21.620 blaming Israel for every murder, for every woman and girl who was raped,

00:02:25.380 for every infant that was slaughtered, saying all of them are 100% Israel's fault. 0.90

00:02:30.100 And even in the face of that, Claudine Gay could not bring herself to forcibly

00:02:34.200 and unequivocally condemn Hamas and anti-Semitism.

00:02:38.720 But that was the beginning of this scandal that took her down.

00:02:42.760 From there, we saw rising anti-Semitism on every campus,

00:02:47.960 especially the elite campuses across the country.

00:02:50.600 And we saw at Harvard in particular Jewish students being harassed,

00:02:54.620 being actively and aggressively harassed by pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas protesters

00:02:59.700 and the administration unwilling and unable to do anything.

00:03:02.960 That's why Congress had the hearing with the presidents of Harvard, Penn, and MIT,

00:03:08.220 because the incidences of anti-Semitism and extreme pro-Hamas protests on university campuses

00:03:14.180 had skyrocketed.

00:03:15.560 That's what teed up the hearing.

00:03:17.720 But even at that point, Harvard was not willing to terminate her position.

00:03:23.140 Then she gave her testimony, testimony that is universally regarded as disastrous.

00:03:28.760 She and the president of Penn and the president of MIT all gave testimony in which they refused

00:03:36.620 to clearly and unequivocally condemn anti-Semitism.

00:03:39.600 They were unable to answer the question of whether calling for the genocide of the Jewish people

00:03:46.020 violated their university's code of conduct.

00:03:49.720 All three of them said, well, it depends on the context, you know,

00:03:54.160 implying in some instances genocide, actively advocating the murder of your fellow students.

00:04:01.200 In some instances, that might be acceptable when your political ideology presumably encourages

00:04:07.540 if it is a group that is a disfavored group, then calling for their murder may be OK is what they essentially implied.

00:04:13.600 Now, the point you just made a second ago, Ben, is really important.

00:04:17.880 She wasn't fired then.

00:04:19.360 Within days of that testimony, the president of Penn, Liz McGill, she resigned.

00:04:24.440 And she resigned because of enormous pressure from the board, enormous pressure from donors.

00:04:28.620 And she was the first to go.

00:04:30.120 But but and that was to be clear, that was not because they wanted to do the right thing.

00:04:34.380 That was because there was too many dollars that were pledged to the university that were at stake.

00:04:41.980 And you had multi multi-millionaires saying, we will not give you our money.

00:04:47.640 And that it was just it was a simple dollars and cents equation.

00:04:52.160 They couldn't continue to stand by her because of the financial loss that they would have taken.

00:04:58.420 Which, again, I say that because I want to put an asterisk by that.

00:05:01.260 That's not doing the right thing morally.

00:05:03.000 That's not standing up for the people of Israel or any Jewish student on campus.

00:05:07.280 That was simply we don't have enough money to walk away from this money.

00:05:12.400 So we're going to have to make the right financial decision here, not because we believe that the people,

00:05:17.700 the Jewish students or the people of Israel have a right to exist.

00:05:22.040 It is it was just financial.

00:05:24.380 Well, let me modify that a little bit.

00:05:26.780 You also had some leadership at Penn.

00:05:28.540 So, for example, the chairman of the board of trustees of the Wharton schools,

00:05:32.540 a guy named Mark Rowan, great point, who is who is a very successful New York businessman who spoke out unequivocally and demanded that she be fired and demanded that the chair of the board of trustees of Penn be fired as well because of their response to anti-Semitism.

00:05:49.140 And I got to say, because you had his leadership and you had the leadership, as you noted, of numerous donors, people like Ronald Lauder, people like the Huntsman family who said they were going to cut off their contributions to Penn.

00:06:03.140 And that combination, Penn was the most vulnerable to the pressure and Penn did the right thing.

00:06:09.480 But it was a combination.

00:06:10.500 You had some leadership within Penn, at least in a formal position of authority, and you had the threat of donors cutting off cash.

00:06:19.500 Now, at Harvard, it's been widely reported that there was upwards of $1 billion of future commitments that were canceled or threatened to be canceled in light of Harvard's terrible record on anti-Semitism.

00:06:34.960 And yet, even so, Harvard didn't blink.

00:06:39.480 The Harvard Corporation, which is the governing body of Harvard University, put out a statement unanimously standing with Claudine Gay.

00:06:50.340 And by the way, it's also been reported that Barack Obama was personally lobbying.

00:06:55.960 The chairman of that board is Penny Pritzker.

00:06:58.080 She was the Commerce Secretary under Barack Obama.

00:07:00.700 And it's been reported that Barack Obama was personally lobbying the members of the Harvard Corporation.

00:07:07.760 And so their view was a horrible record on anti-Semitism is OK. 0.99

00:07:12.420 Horrible testimony before Congress in which you cannot bring yourself to condemn people calling for the genocide of the Jewish people.

00:07:21.440 That's OK.

00:07:22.800 And and refusing to create an environment on campus where Jewish students are safe, looking the other way at threats against your Jewish students.

00:07:31.900 All of that was OK, not just OK, unanimously OK.

00:07:35.480 There was not a single board member that could find even a single vertebrae in a backbone to stand up and say enough is enough.

00:07:42.880 They all universally circled ranks.

00:07:45.360 And then, as you noted, the plagiarism allegations began coming out.

00:07:49.940 And first it was one and then it was another and then it was another and then it was another.

00:07:54.620 And it became nearly 50 separate allegations of plagiarism.

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00:09:54.200 Let's dive into, by the way, how these claims came out.

00:09:58.060 Because it also, I think this is one of those moments that we should highlight here, the lack of journalistic integrity among the mainstream media that did no research and did not do anything,

00:10:13.940 even after some of the first allegations of plagiarism came out against the Harvard president, Claudine Gay.

00:10:20.740 It was the incredible reporting of those that are conservatives and those that were trying to grab these documents and hard work of the Washington Free Beacon, for example,

00:10:33.240 where they went in and did the hard work to compare the words of the Harvard president against those that she stole from.

00:10:42.740 And yet still the media is not really reporting on this.

00:10:46.320 And they certainly didn't go and actually investigate any of this.

00:10:50.740 Well, look, that's exactly right.

00:10:52.700 And I have to say there was no one who played a bigger role in Claudine Gay's resignation than Christopher Ruffo.

00:10:59.840 Christopher Ruffo, we've had as a guest on Verdict.

00:11:02.560 He has been doing an extraordinary job for years exposing critical race theory.

00:11:08.340 Christopher Ruffo is someone I talk about in considerable length in my new book, Unwoke.

00:11:13.160 But the job that Chris did, exposing this, pushing the plagiarism, giving specific examples, because the New York Times, the Washington Post, they all wanted to whitewash it.

00:11:23.260 And even after she resigned, listen to this.

00:11:26.840 Listen to CNN talking about her resignation and trying to give this this this word salad, convoluted justification for her plagiarism.

00:11:36.440 Give a listen.

00:11:36.860 These plagiarism allegations where Claudine Gay has had to issue corrections, multiple corrections.

00:11:43.920 Now, we should note that Claudine Gay has not been accused of stealing anyone's ideas in any of her writings.

00:11:51.620 She's been accused of sort of more like copying other people's writings without attribution.

00:11:57.460 So it's been more sloppy attribution than stealing anyone's ideas.

00:12:01.040 But nonetheless, you put all of that together.

00:12:04.140 I mean, you hear them.

00:12:05.960 They're saying allegations.

00:12:07.620 It's more than 50.

00:12:09.120 They have the words side by side in this reporting from from her dissertation and other documents, other things that have been published.

00:12:16.300 And let's go back to Harvard and hold them accountable here.

00:12:20.100 The Harvard Corporation, the school's governing body, said earlier this month that it had, quote, initiated an independent review of Gay's work in October and found, quote,

00:12:28.520 quote, no violation of Harvard's standards for research misconduct.

00:12:33.760 That investigation only focused on three papers.

00:12:37.560 And then what we understand is that was pretty much like, yep, we're good.

00:12:41.080 We're going to move on.

00:12:42.580 Harvard's official policy states, by the way, that all allegations of faculty plagiarism must be reviewed by the school's research integrity officer.

00:12:50.420 And that if the allegations are deemed credible, they must be sent to a further probe.

00:12:54.820 So any faculty member found guilty of plagiarism can end up suspended, having their rank reduced or even terminated.

00:13:02.320 Notably, the university said it considers whether the misconduct was, quote, an isolated event or a or part of a pattern while deciding the appropriate level of punishment.

00:13:12.640 So, Senator, they gave her a clean bill of health earlier this month.

00:13:15.700 They didn't want to dig into this.

00:13:17.480 I think they probably knew what they were going to find.

00:13:19.620 That's why they only looked at three papers and said they were going to update some of them.

00:13:24.280 They were covering this up for their president.

00:13:27.380 Well, that's exactly right.

00:13:29.140 And it's worth noting, like what CNN, what we just played there, that's utterly gobbledygook.

00:13:33.480 CNN's attempted justification is, well, she wasn't guilty of stealing other people's ideas.

00:13:38.180 She just took the words they wrote and claimed they were her own.

00:13:41.160 No, that's that's what plagiarism is.

00:13:44.040 And by the way, if as a student at Harvard you do this once, you'll be expelled.

00:13:52.220 That's how seriously the institution takes it for a student.

00:13:55.380 And in her instances, all right, let me give you some examples.

00:13:58.020 And like part of what took her down was the drip, drip, drip every day.

00:14:02.360 It was another allegation.

00:14:03.340 It was another allegation.

00:14:04.240 It was so screamingly obvious that it was a double standard, that Harvard's public reputation began to just be absurd.

00:14:14.200 But look, on January 1st, just a couple of days ago, an article appeared in the Washington Free Beacon entitled,

00:14:22.640 Harvard President Claudine Gay hit with six new charges of plagiarism.

00:14:26.400 That was just a couple of days ago.

00:14:28.220 And to give you a sense of it, all right, here's the first example they use.

00:14:31.480 There's there's a professor named David Cannon who wrote a book in 1999 entitled Race Redistricting and Representation,

00:14:39.940 The Unintended Consequences of Black Majority Districts. 1.00

00:14:43.400 And David Cannon wrote as follows.

00:14:47.720 The VRA, which is the Voting Rights Act, the VRA is often cited as one of the most significant pieces of civil rights legislation passed in our nation's history.

00:14:54.980 Here's what Claudine Gay wrote.

00:14:57.420 The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is often cited as one of the most significant pieces of civil rights legislation passed in our nation's history.

00:15:04.720 That's word for word identical, other than she spelled out Voting Rights Act instead of saying VRA, and she added of 1965.

00:15:12.160 So congratulations, Claudine, you found the year it was passed.

00:15:15.960 Those are the only new words in the quote.

00:15:18.060 All right, here's another section.

00:15:20.880 This is from David Cannon.

00:15:22.140 The central parts of the VRA are Section 2 and Section 5.

00:15:25.700 The form prohibits any state or political subdivision from imposing a voting practice that will deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color.

00:15:34.480 The latter imposed was imposed on only only uncovered jurisdictions with a history of past discrimination,

00:15:39.680 which must submit changes in any electoral process or mechanism to the federal government for approval.

00:15:45.040 Here's what Claudine Gay wrote.

00:15:46.400 The central part of the measures are Section 2 and Section 5.

00:15:49.960 Section 2 reiterates the guarantees of the 15th Amendment prohibiting any state or political subdivision from adopting voting practices that deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color.

00:16:00.240 Section 5, imposed only on covered jurisdictions with a history of past discrimination,

00:16:05.240 requires Justice Department preclearances of changes in any electoral process or mechanism.

00:16:10.440 The vast majority of those words are identical.

00:16:14.380 All right, let me give you another example.

00:16:16.400 And this is an example from her dissertation.

00:16:20.000 And she lifted a sentence from her thesis advisor from Gary King, who's describing a mathematical model.

00:16:28.200 Here's what Gary King wrote.

00:16:29.160 The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters within the bounds indicated by its tomography line is derived by the slice it cuts out of the bivariate distribution of all lines.

00:16:39.860 Here's what Claudine Gay wrote.

00:16:41.660 The posterior distribution of each of the precinct parameters for the precinct is derived by the slice its tomography line cuts out of this bivariate distribution.

00:16:48.800 Now, I got to admit that some of that is is academic gobbledygook.

00:16:56.760 But the fact that she just copied it, and by the way, the way plagiarism works, she could copy that if she put a quote mark in the front, a quote mark in the back, and she cited Gary King, who wrote it.

00:17:08.180 Yeah, you're allowed to quote people.

00:17:09.620 You're allowed to quote people, but the way you do it so you do not steal their words is you put it in quotation marks, and you cite the person who you're quoting.

00:17:19.500 What she did over and over and over again is just typed it in.

00:17:23.340 And by the way, much of this was done before word processors were used.

00:17:29.900 That means it was done on a typewriter.

00:17:31.720 I got to say it is much harder to accidentally plagiarize, particularly in the era of typewriters.

00:17:40.280 You have some instances where, say, a researcher is taking notes, and they cut and paste from a cut and paste from a principal source, and they put it in their notes, and they forget that it was cut and pasted, and they end up cutting and pasting it into their work.

00:17:53.900 That's that's bad.

00:17:56.060 That's plagiarism.

00:17:57.000 And by the way, Harvard will expel you for doing that, but it is more possible for someone to do so inadvertently with word processors and cut and paste.

00:18:07.440 Many of these instances, Claudine Gay, she had to type on a typewriter the words presumably from the original source, and so she knew exactly what she was doing.

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00:18:48.700 When you talk about all that, let's go back to the core point here that we were mentioning earlier, and that is, it is not what happened in front of Congress.

00:19:01.200 And I think it's time that we remind people of how egregious, because there's three points I want to make sure that we're clear here on verdict for everybody listening.

00:19:09.840 No one has lost their job yet due to the testimony.

00:19:13.960 I'm talking about actually being fired, being unemployed, not getting a paycheck.

00:19:18.020 Claudine Gay is still employed.

00:19:19.380 Liz McGill is still employed.

00:19:21.020 They're faculty members.

00:19:22.060 They're continuing to draw their pay.

00:19:23.380 And in fact, the New York Post is reporting Claudine Gay will still receive her roughly $1 million a year salary.

00:19:30.940 She just moves to a different office at Harvard.

00:19:33.160 They keep paying her.

00:19:34.020 And understand, look, I want us to play her testimony again and remember what she said, but understand this point.

00:19:40.760 It's critically important.

00:19:42.940 Claudine Gay has not apologized.

00:19:45.240 Harvard has not apologized.

00:19:47.040 They have not changed their conduct.

00:19:49.680 Her resignation letter is defiant.

00:19:52.140 Her resignation letter doesn't say she did anything wrong.

00:19:54.420 Her resignation letter doesn't express remorse for being an apologist for those calling for the genocide of the Jewish people.

00:20:02.080 It says nothing about creating an atmosphere where Jewish students are afraid for their safety.

00:20:06.540 It says nothing about the repeated instances that have been pointed out of plagiarism.

00:20:12.480 Instead, it blames it all on racism.

00:20:15.420 And it is defiant and unapologetic.

00:20:17.960 And understand, Harvard Corporation, likewise, their statement, again, was not apologetic.

00:20:23.200 Didn't say she'd done anything wrong.

00:20:25.100 Instead, they blame the fact that she's resigning again on racism.

00:20:28.600 This is going to be their talking point, and they're not taking accountability for their actions.

00:20:33.700 And so Harvard is not done.

00:20:36.220 That is a critical point to remember.

00:20:38.620 If they're going to fix this problem, her resignation doesn't solve it.

00:20:43.620 It's a step in the right direction, but it's not a very good step when she's defiantly refusing to acknowledge anything she did wrong.

00:20:51.380 And the university is as well.

00:20:52.620 Before we play her testimony, let's also talk about the racial aspect of this.

00:20:58.980 In Claudine Gay's resignation letter, she actually called out her critics as being racist.

00:21:04.460 And not only that, you then had Al Sharpton saying the Harvard president's resignation, quote, is an attack on every black woman in America.

00:21:16.880 So you can be an anti-Semite.

00:21:19.920 You can testify before Congress that calling for the extermination, genocide of Jews, and not denouncing it, and not saying that that is a violation of the rules at Harvard.

00:21:32.100 That's totally fine. You can be that person.

00:21:35.080 But if you criticize Claudine Gay, you are then a racist. 0.96

00:21:39.000 And she, in her resignation letter, when she's resigning, she made it very clear she believes this is all because she is a black woman.

00:21:49.000 Well, and let me, quoting from a resignation letter, let me tell you the operative language.

00:21:54.520 Quote, and by the way, this is what one does to avoid plagiarism.

00:21:57.920 I'm quoting her, so I'm telling you it's a quotation.

00:21:59.900 These are not my words. These are hers.

00:22:02.100 Quote, it has been distressing to have doubt cast on my commitments to confronting hate and upholding scholarly vigor,

00:22:09.300 two bedrock values that are fundamental to who I am, and frightening to be subjected to personal attacks and threats fueled by racial animus.

00:22:19.400 That's what she's blaming this on, is that the only people who had criticisms about her apparently are racist.

00:22:26.180 Like, if you believe that Harvard's willingness to tolerate the harassment of Jewish students, to tolerate anti-Semitism,

00:22:33.680 and in fact, in many ways, to embrace it, if you believe that's problematic,

00:22:36.860 if you believe actually the president of Harvard should be a scholar who complies with principles of academic integrity,

00:22:43.660 that means, in her worldview, you must be a racist. 0.92

00:22:47.640 And I'll tell you, even worse than that, at the end of her letter,

00:22:52.060 is, there's a sentence that I found really galling.

00:22:57.720 Here's what she writes at the end of her letter.

00:22:59.740 Quote, when my brief presidency is remembered, I hope it will be seen as a moment of reawakening

00:23:07.340 to the importance of striving to find our common humanity

00:23:12.380 and of not allowing rancor and vituperation to undermine the vital process of education.

00:23:19.600 Now, let me ask you something.

00:23:21.200 For the Jewish students at Harvard right now, who are facing harassment, who are fearing for their safety,

00:23:29.020 in what universe can she say that her leadership, her brief presidency,

00:23:34.040 was a moment of reawakening to the importance of striving to find our common humanity?

00:23:41.440 Mind you, she could not bring herself to unequivocally condemn calling for the genocide of the Jewish people,

00:23:47.540 and yet she wants to be reawakening the common humanity.

00:23:51.280 It is utterly defiant and refusing to acknowledge what led to this resignation.

00:23:58.500 Yeah, and Al Sharpton coming out, as you know, Barack Obama, as you mentioned earlier,

00:24:02.060 behind the scenes, was working hard to protect her.

00:24:04.980 Sharpton condemned gay critics as racist for questioning the integrity of a black woman, 0.82

00:24:10.620 a woman that, no pun intended, in black and white.

00:24:13.800 Her words show that she lifted other people's words and used them as her own,

00:24:19.740 saying this, quote,

00:24:21.260 President Gay's resignation is about more than a person or a single incident.

00:24:26.380 And he's right, it wasn't a single incident.

00:24:28.580 Now we've been told more than 50 incidents of plagiarism.

00:24:32.980 He goes on to say,

00:24:33.780 This is an attack on every black woman in this country who puts a crack in the glass ceiling. 1.00

00:24:39.560 Is it really that, Senator, or is it just the fact that she cheated and even they at Harvard couldn't get over that?

00:24:48.100 Well, it was ultimately, this was hurting Harvard.

00:24:51.700 Harvard was becoming a laughingstock.

00:24:53.420 And look, if you look at her academic record,

00:24:58.860 she had published very little for a professor.

00:25:02.000 You expect the president of Harvard to be a serious scholar, to be a world-class scholar.

00:25:07.460 And Claudine Gay's entire career was built pushing the ideology of DEI.

00:25:16.920 She was an African-American studies professor.

00:25:20.600 She had published relatively little.

00:25:22.240 What she did publish, there are now serious questions about the academic integrity of it.

00:25:27.080 And there is no person on planet Earth that believes she would have...

00:25:30.500 And remind people DEI, what it stands for again,

00:25:32.420 just because there's maybe people that are new that don't exactly know what DEI stands for.

00:25:36.600 And this is something that the woke left is obsessed with.

00:25:39.500 Diversity, equity, and inclusion.

00:25:41.460 And it is the premise of their anti-racism.

00:25:45.580 It is the premise of critical race theory.

00:25:48.460 It is the premise of the cultural Marxist on the left

00:25:51.640 who advocate that we should affirmatively discriminate

00:25:56.120 and discriminate against so-called oppressors

00:26:00.300 and in favor of so-called victims.

00:26:02.540 It's why the radical left is just fine with Jewish people being demonized, 0.97

00:26:07.780 being threatened because, to the cultural Marxist, Jewish people are oppressors. 0.95

00:26:12.680 It's why cultural Marxists are okay with whatever Hamas terrorists do 0.98

00:26:18.940 because they are the victims.

00:26:20.280 And that same reasoning...

00:26:22.120 Look, I'll give you an example.

00:26:23.300 Ibram X. Kendi, who's one of the godfathers of critical race theory,

00:26:27.500 who has pushed this so-called anti-racism,

00:26:30.840 which we've talked about at length in this podcast.

00:26:32.940 It has an Orwellian name because what he means by anti-racism

00:26:37.060 is aggressively discriminating against the so-called oppressors

00:26:41.300 on behalf of the so-called victims.

00:26:42.720 Here's what he had to say about Claudine Gay resigning. 0.99

00:26:46.120 Quote, racist mobs won't stop until they topple all black people 0.99

00:26:52.840 from positions of power and influence 0.99

00:26:54.680 who are not reinforcing the structure of racism.

00:26:58.740 What these racist mobs are doing should be obvious to any reporter

00:27:03.240 who cares about truth or justice as opposed to conflicts and cliques.

00:27:09.620 That is going to be their talking point

00:27:12.320 if you dare stand against their radical ideology, 0.72

00:27:16.120 you are by definition a racist,

00:27:19.640 and that they still see nothing that she did or said that was wrong. 0.51

00:27:27.160 I want to play for everybody to remind them

00:27:30.360 of exactly where all this started

00:27:32.600 and to put it back into context

00:27:35.000 of the demise of this Harvard president

00:27:37.560 is not for what she said

00:27:39.380 that was anti-Israel, anti-Semitic.

00:27:42.640 It was the plagiarism.

00:27:44.460 And do not be duped by the mainstream media

00:27:47.340 acting like she's being held accountable for these words.

00:27:50.020 These words that she said before Congress

00:27:51.900 to Representative Stefanik are words

00:27:54.100 that Harvard was willing to stand by her no matter what.

00:27:57.960 Here is that flashback

00:27:59.460 to December the 5th

00:28:02.020 and what was said.

00:28:03.100 Harvard's student calling for the mass murder 0.98

00:28:05.100 of African Americans

00:28:06.020 is not protected free speech at Harvard, correct?

00:28:08.540 Our commitment to free speech...

00:28:11.980 It's a yes or no question.

00:28:13.220 Is that corrected?

00:28:14.100 Is that okay for students to call 0.62

00:28:16.020 for the mass murder of African Americans at Harvard?

00:28:18.400 Is that protected free speech?

00:28:20.820 Our commitment to free speech...

00:28:22.280 It's a yes or no question.

00:28:24.920 Let me ask you this.

00:28:26.060 You are president of Harvard,

00:28:27.360 so I assume you're familiar with the term intifada, correct?

00:28:29.900 I've heard that term, yes.

00:28:33.580 And you understand that the use of the term intifada

00:28:36.320 in the context of the Israeli-Arab conflict

00:28:38.580 is indeed a call for violent armed resistance

00:28:41.320 against the state of Israel,

00:28:43.180 including violence against civilians 0.55

00:28:44.940 and the genocide of Jews.

00:28:46.320 Are you aware of that?

00:28:48.720 That type of hateful speech

00:28:50.440 is personally abhorrent to me.

00:28:52.660 And there have been multiple marches at Harvard

00:28:54.760 with students chanting,

00:28:56.140 quote,

00:28:56.360 there is only one solution,

00:28:58.040 intifada revolution,

00:28:59.660 and, quote,

00:29:00.280 globalize the intifada.

00:29:01.800 Is that correct?

00:29:04.560 I've heard that thoughtless,

00:29:07.080 reckless,

00:29:07.740 and hateful language

00:29:08.860 on our campus, yes.

00:29:10.820 So based upon your testimony,

00:29:13.220 you understand that this call for intifada

00:29:15.300 is to commit genocide

00:29:16.960 against the Jewish people 0.99

00:29:18.220 in Israel and globally, correct?

00:29:21.560 I will say again,

00:29:23.340 that type of hateful speech

00:29:25.680 is personally abhorrent to me.

00:29:28.060 Do you believe that type of hateful speech

00:29:30.700 is contrary to Harvard's code of conduct,

00:29:33.860 or is it allowed at Harvard?

00:29:36.240 It is at odds with the values of Harvard.

00:29:39.360 Can you not say here

00:29:40.520 that it is against the code of conduct at Harvard?

00:29:43.800 We embrace a commitment to free expression,

00:29:46.260 even of views that are objectionable,

00:29:50.020 offensive, hateful.

00:29:52.120 It's when that speech

00:29:53.980 crosses into conduct

00:29:55.540 that violates our policies

00:29:57.680 against bullying,

00:29:59.040 harassing,

00:29:59.300 Does that speech not cross that barrier?

00:30:01.820 Does that speech not call

00:30:03.180 for the genocide of Jews 0.98

00:30:04.400 and the elimination of Israel?

00:30:06.840 You testify that you understand

00:30:08.760 that is the definition of intifada.

00:30:11.820 Is that speech according

00:30:12.940 to the code of conduct or not?

00:30:14.380 We embrace a commitment

00:30:17.080 to free expression

00:30:18.220 and give a wide berth

00:30:19.800 to free expression,

00:30:20.900 even of views

00:30:22.160 that are objectionable,

00:30:24.260 outrageous,

00:30:24.760 You and I both know

00:30:25.400 that's not the case.

00:30:26.200 You are aware

00:30:26.620 that Harvard ranked dead last

00:30:28.440 when it came to free speech.

00:30:30.220 Are you not aware

00:30:31.200 of that report?

00:30:32.860 As I observed earlier,

00:30:35.020 I reject that characterization

00:30:37.120 of our campus.

00:30:37.380 It's the data shows it's true.

00:30:39.300 And isn't it true

00:30:40.080 that Harvard previously rescinded

00:30:41.880 multiple offers of admissions

00:30:43.260 for applicants

00:30:44.480 and accepted freshmen

00:30:45.720 for sharing offensive memes,

00:30:47.920 racist statements,

00:30:49.580 sometimes as young

00:30:50.340 as 16 years old.

00:30:51.280 Did Harvard not rescind

00:30:52.320 those offers of admission?

00:30:54.260 That long predates

00:30:55.700 my time as president.

00:30:56.480 But you understand

00:30:57.240 that Harvard made that decision

00:30:58.560 to rescind those offers

00:30:59.440 of admission.

00:31:01.280 I have no reason

00:31:02.500 to contradict the facts

00:31:03.920 as you present them.

00:31:04.680 Correct, because it's a fact.

00:31:05.980 You're also aware

00:31:07.200 that a Winthrop House

00:31:08.220 faculty dean

00:31:09.240 was let go

00:31:10.420 over who he chose

00:31:12.020 to legally represent, correct?

00:31:14.120 That was while you were dean.

00:31:16.500 That is an incorrect characterization

00:31:18.340 of what transpired.

00:31:18.940 What's the characterization?

00:31:21.060 I'm not going to get into details

00:31:22.640 about a personnel matter.

00:31:24.440 Well, let me ask you this.

00:31:25.780 Will admissions offers

00:31:26.920 be rescinded

00:31:28.020 or any disciplinary action

00:31:29.780 be taken against students

00:31:31.400 or applicants

00:31:32.160 who say,

00:31:33.460 from the river to the sea

00:31:34.480 or intifada, 0.98

00:31:35.500 advocating for the murder of Jews? 0.99

00:31:38.420 As I've said, 0.99

00:31:39.360 that type of hateful,

00:31:41.900 reckless,

00:31:42.640 offensive speech

00:31:43.520 is personally abhorrent

00:31:44.960 to me.

00:31:45.420 Are you saying today

00:31:47.120 that no action will be taken?

00:31:48.500 What action will be taken?

00:31:50.100 When speech crosses

00:31:51.180 into conduct

00:31:52.020 that violates our policies,

00:31:54.020 including policies

00:31:54.780 against bullying,

00:31:56.100 harassment,

00:31:56.780 or intimidation,

00:31:58.120 we take action

00:31:59.000 and we have robust

00:32:00.660 disciplinary processes

00:32:02.200 that allow us

00:32:03.540 to hold individuals accountable.

00:32:05.440 What action has been taken

00:32:06.940 against students

00:32:08.020 who are harassing

00:32:09.440 and calling

00:32:10.140 for the genocide 0.99

00:32:10.960 of Jews

00:32:11.840 on Harvard's campus?

00:32:14.000 I can assure you

00:32:15.380 we have robust

00:32:16.660 disciplinary processes

00:32:18.080 with actions underway.

00:32:20.160 I'm asking

00:32:20.740 what actions have been taken

00:32:22.060 against those students.

00:32:24.220 Given students' rights

00:32:25.340 to privacy

00:32:26.060 and our obligations

00:32:27.880 under FERPA,

00:32:29.360 I will not say more

00:32:30.480 about any specific cases

00:32:32.040 other than

00:32:32.860 to reiterate

00:32:34.060 that processes

00:32:35.280 are ongoing.

00:32:37.160 Do you know

00:32:37.880 what the number one

00:32:38.440 hate crime in America is?

00:32:41.380 I know that

00:32:42.680 over the last

00:32:43.680 couple of months

00:32:44.780 there has been

00:32:45.720 an alarming rise

00:32:46.900 of anti-Semitism,

00:32:48.480 which I understand

00:32:49.500 is the critical topic

00:32:51.880 that we are here

00:32:52.660 to discuss.

00:32:53.320 That's correct.

00:32:54.480 It is anti-Jewish 1.00

00:32:55.920 hate crimes.

00:32:57.340 And Harvard ranks

00:32:58.580 the lowest

00:32:59.720 when it comes to

00:33:00.560 protecting Jewish students.

00:33:02.240 This is why

00:33:02.740 I've called for your resignation

00:33:04.000 and your testimony today

00:33:05.700 not being able to answer

00:33:06.820 with moral clarity

00:33:07.840 speaks volumes.

00:33:09.780 I yield back.

00:33:11.040 Senator,

00:33:11.820 you hear that

00:33:13.000 and the part

00:33:14.660 that I think

00:33:15.320 galls me the most

00:33:16.960 is the fact

00:33:17.620 that she's still employed,

00:33:20.360 she's still going to be paid 1.00

00:33:21.520 about a million dollars

00:33:23.180 a year.

00:33:24.440 She's just had

00:33:25.300 a title change.

00:33:26.980 That's it.

00:33:28.500 Well,

00:33:28.840 and Harvard

00:33:29.760 doesn't intend

00:33:30.600 to change its conduct.

00:33:31.900 They certainly

00:33:32.400 have made no expression

00:33:33.680 that they intend

00:33:34.940 to do differently.

00:33:36.060 They were forced

00:33:37.800 after

00:33:39.300 over a billion dollars

00:33:41.580 in commitments

00:33:42.240 to contributions

00:33:43.100 were called out.

00:33:44.520 After

00:33:45.060 academically

00:33:46.380 their president

00:33:47.200 became a laughing stock.

00:33:48.580 after

00:33:49.920 you began

00:33:50.860 to have

00:33:51.440 students

00:33:52.040 who I would note

00:33:53.180 had to anonymously

00:33:54.380 call for her to resign

00:33:55.620 because they were

00:33:56.220 afraid of retaliation.

00:33:58.000 After

00:33:58.380 you had

00:33:59.280 editorials

00:34:01.440 in the New York Times

00:34:02.520 and the Washington Post

00:34:03.640 bastions of the left

00:34:04.960 both calling

00:34:05.840 not from the papers

00:34:06.720 but from

00:34:07.220 people submitting

00:34:09.500 op-eds

00:34:10.460 calling for

00:34:11.760 her resignation.

00:34:13.420 After

00:34:13.720 all of that

00:34:14.620 it became

00:34:15.500 intolerable

00:34:16.320 and yet

00:34:16.740 they dug in

00:34:17.440 and they dug in

00:34:18.120 and they dug in

00:34:19.000 and it's

00:34:20.880 really quite ironic

00:34:21.880 you look at her testimony

00:34:22.860 and she

00:34:23.980 she is defending

00:34:25.640 free speech

00:34:26.420 and it would be

00:34:27.020 one thing

00:34:27.440 if she was saying

00:34:28.160 you know

00:34:28.400 Harvard's a place

00:34:29.140 where anyone

00:34:29.820 can say anything

00:34:30.560 and we protect

00:34:31.120 free speech

00:34:31.600 for everyone.

00:34:32.980 That's laughably

00:34:34.000 false.

00:34:35.260 They protect

00:34:36.340 free speech

00:34:37.020 for anti-Semites

00:34:38.020 and leftists

00:34:38.680 and at the same time

00:34:39.800 so there's an

00:34:41.120 organization called

00:34:41.960 FIRE

00:34:42.380 and FIRE

00:34:42.960 is actively involved

00:34:45.040 in fighting

00:34:45.480 to defend free speech

00:34:46.520 and examining

00:34:47.220 censorship

00:34:48.300 and suppression

00:34:49.300 of free speech

00:34:49.920 on campus

00:34:50.460 and they do

00:34:51.000 an elaborate

00:34:51.840 survey every year

00:34:54.780 at an analysis

00:34:55.420 of universities

00:34:56.200 across the country.

00:34:57.780 So Harvard

00:34:58.320 is consistently

00:34:59.400 ranked one of the

00:35:00.400 worst in the country

00:35:01.160 in 2020

00:35:01.820 Harvard ranked

00:35:03.920 number 46

00:35:04.800 out of 55 schools

00:35:06.100 in terms of

00:35:07.560 protecting free speech

00:35:08.520 in 2021

00:35:09.200 it ranked 130

00:35:10.580 out of 154 schools

00:35:12.200 in 2022

00:35:13.780 it ranked

00:35:14.500 170

00:35:15.360 out of 203

00:35:16.600 schools

00:35:17.080 and this past

00:35:17.980 year in 2003

00:35:19.460 Harvard was

00:35:21.460 dead last

00:35:23.200 and out of a

00:35:25.000 possible score

00:35:26.100 from 0 to 100

00:35:27.380 Harvard's score

00:35:28.200 was actually

00:35:28.860 a negative

00:35:29.600 10.69

00:35:30.780 so it was

00:35:32.280 dead last

00:35:33.100 it was 6

00:35:33.780 standard deviations

00:35:34.980 below the average

00:35:36.260 and more than 2

00:35:37.560 standard deviations

00:35:38.580 below the 2nd

00:35:39.580 to last school

00:35:40.300 in the rankings

00:35:41.020 and the 2nd to last school

00:35:42.180 was the University

00:35:43.720 of Pennsylvania

00:35:44.320 Penn

00:35:44.760 and so

00:35:46.460 when she is

00:35:48.400 saying well

00:35:49.760 anti-Semites

00:35:51.880 are allowed

00:35:52.520 and

00:35:52.880 apparently encouraged

00:35:55.020 because

00:35:55.500 of free speech

00:35:56.920 that is a policy

00:35:58.600 that is applied

00:35:59.420 very selectively

00:36:00.900 and Harvard's

00:36:01.440 expressed no

00:36:02.360 willingness

00:36:03.700 no desire

00:36:04.780 to correct that

00:36:05.740 and

00:36:06.900 I think

00:36:08.700 it is imperative

00:36:09.500 that this become

00:36:10.880 a moment

00:36:11.640 to try to

00:36:13.100 address

00:36:14.100 and try to

00:36:15.080 fix

00:36:15.660 the profound

00:36:17.540 ideological

00:36:18.440 corruption

00:36:19.240 by the way

00:36:20.180 if you look at

00:36:20.780 the Harvard

00:36:21.100 Corporation board

00:36:22.100 every single

00:36:23.840 one of its board

00:36:24.580 members

00:36:24.980 is a

00:36:25.840 hardcore

00:36:26.420 partisan

00:36:27.240 ideological

00:36:27.920 democrat

00:36:28.480 there is

00:36:30.180 no one

00:36:30.700 right of center

00:36:31.420 allowed anywhere

00:36:32.820 near that board

00:36:33.540 and you see

00:36:35.220 it in the

00:36:35.820 policies

00:36:36.440 why

00:36:37.320 they

00:36:37.620 universally

00:36:38.500 circled the

00:36:39.660 wagons around

00:36:40.400 Claudine Gay

00:36:41.160 and it was

00:36:42.060 only when

00:36:42.780 dragged kicking

00:36:43.580 and screaming 0.96

00:36:44.240 that they allowed

00:36:45.560 her to resign 0.99

00:36:46.160 it is critically

00:36:47.460 important to

00:36:48.400 underscore

00:36:49.860 that the central

00:36:50.840 issue at these

00:36:51.540 schools

00:36:51.960 is not free

00:36:53.460 speech

00:36:53.760 it's not what

00:36:54.360 people are saying

00:36:55.180 it is harassment

00:36:56.260 and abuse 0.98

00:36:57.240 Jewish students 0.80

00:36:58.620 are being subjected

00:36:59.700 to threats of

00:37:00.420 violence

00:37:00.760 to active

00:37:01.360 harassment

00:37:01.900 and no

00:37:02.820 student

00:37:03.220 has a right

00:37:03.820 to harass

00:37:04.440 another student

00:37:05.120 you can't go up

00:37:06.060 to an African

00:37:06.940 American student 0.87

00:37:07.700 and harass 0.99

00:37:08.240 that student 0.52

00:37:08.780 and scream 1.00

00:37:09.480 and holler 1.00

00:37:09.980 and threaten

00:37:10.340 that student

00:37:10.800 because of race

00:37:11.400 you can't go up

00:37:11.940 to a white

00:37:12.260 student

00:37:12.500 you can't go up

00:37:13.000 to a woman

00:37:13.440 you can't

00:37:15.020 and shouldn't

00:37:15.440 be able to

00:37:15.820 go up to a

00:37:16.460 Jewish student

00:37:16.940 or a Muslim 1.00

00:37:17.380 student

00:37:17.660 or any student

00:37:18.320 no student

00:37:19.340 has the right

00:37:20.000 to harass

00:37:20.640 or threaten

00:37:21.340 another student

00:37:22.160 and Harvard

00:37:23.220 and many of

00:37:23.780 these schools

00:37:24.280 are doing a

00:37:24.820 terrible job

00:37:25.700 protecting the

00:37:26.520 safety

00:37:27.140 of their students

00:37:28.420 I have a lot

00:37:29.100 of good friends

00:37:29.840 who have kids

00:37:30.840 in college

00:37:31.340 right now

00:37:31.980 and who are

00:37:32.380 Jewish

00:37:32.660 and almost

00:37:33.760 to a person

00:37:34.580 they're telling me

00:37:35.440 their children

00:37:36.520 are reporting

00:37:37.260 who are college

00:37:37.880 students now

00:37:38.520 that they are

00:37:38.960 afraid for their

00:37:39.640 safety

00:37:39.940 and that's what

00:37:40.780 Harvard and

00:37:41.540 these administrators

00:37:42.180 are refusing

00:37:42.920 to recognize

00:37:44.260 and fix

00:37:44.920 the next step

00:37:46.000 and I want to

00:37:46.500 say something

00:37:47.000 three times

00:37:47.720 MIT

00:37:48.440 MIT

00:37:49.700 MIT

00:37:50.820 there were

00:37:52.140 three presidents

00:37:52.860 who testified

00:37:53.540 Penn

00:37:54.060 Harvard

00:37:54.500 and MIT

00:37:55.060 all three

00:37:56.420 of the testimonies

00:37:57.380 were abysmal

00:37:58.000 the president

00:37:58.500 of MIT

00:37:59.000 as Sally

00:37:59.880 Kornbluth

00:38:00.520 we have talked

00:38:01.640 about on

00:38:02.220 verdict

00:38:02.560 how at MIT

00:38:04.060 Jewish students

00:38:05.700 were actively

00:38:06.660 prevented from

00:38:07.600 going to class

00:38:09.140 because of

00:38:09.960 threats of

00:38:10.980 violence

00:38:11.540 from pro-Hamas

00:38:12.600 protesters

00:38:13.160 who were

00:38:13.460 threatening

00:38:13.780 to physically

00:38:14.380 harm them 0.99

00:38:14.980 and then

00:38:16.040 the MIT

00:38:16.640 administration

00:38:17.420 shamefully

00:38:18.300 said they

00:38:18.760 would not

00:38:19.260 discipline

00:38:19.880 the students

00:38:21.120 who were

00:38:21.460 threatening

00:38:21.800 the Jewish

00:38:22.240 students

00:38:22.660 why

00:38:23.200 because many

00:38:24.480 of them

00:38:24.820 were foreigners

00:38:25.500 they were

00:38:25.920 foreign students

00:38:26.620 from foreign

00:38:27.360 countries

00:38:27.780 and if they

00:38:28.180 were expelled

00:38:28.680 from MIT

00:38:29.240 they'd lose

00:38:29.820 their student

00:38:30.300 visas

00:38:30.660 and so

00:38:31.540 therefore

00:38:32.260 MIT

00:38:33.820 would not

00:38:35.200 respond

00:38:35.740 in many ways

00:38:36.600 MIT's behavior

00:38:37.780 has been the

00:38:38.300 most disgraceful

00:38:39.180 of the three

00:38:39.680 and I do

00:38:41.600 want to give

00:38:42.140 a shout out

00:38:42.880 to Bill Ackman

00:38:43.640 Bill Ackman

00:38:44.360 has been

00:38:46.160 incredibly important

00:38:47.120 Ackman is a 1.00

00:38:47.660 Harvard alum

00:38:48.220 he's a billionaire

00:38:49.320 he's the founder

00:38:50.000 of Pershing Square

00:38:50.800 Capital Management

00:38:51.820 and he has been

00:38:52.740 incredibly vocal

00:38:54.660 calling out these

00:38:55.580 schools putting

00:38:56.200 pressure

00:38:56.660 he put

00:38:57.480 enormous

00:38:57.960 pressure

00:38:58.480 on Penn

00:39:00.060 he put

00:39:00.380 enormous

00:39:00.740 pressure

00:39:01.160 on Harvard

00:39:01.680 and I will

00:39:02.100 say

00:39:02.460 right after

00:39:03.320 Claudine Gay

00:39:04.400 resigned

00:39:05.200 Ackman posted

00:39:06.200 on Twitter

00:39:06.840 to Sally

00:39:08.360 a call out

00:39:09.120 to Sally

00:39:09.520 Kornbluth

00:39:10.100 that MIT

00:39:11.900 should be

00:39:12.720 next

00:39:13.260 I believe

00:39:14.920 she will

00:39:15.560 resign

00:39:16.160 but

00:39:17.500 MIT's view

00:39:19.060 is exactly

00:39:19.620 what Harvard's

00:39:20.280 view was

00:39:20.760 before the

00:39:21.360 plagiarism

00:39:21.960 forced their

00:39:22.560 hand

00:39:22.960 they were

00:39:23.780 willing to

00:39:24.200 just bury 0.98

00:39:24.600 their heads 0.66

00:39:24.980 in their sand

00:39:25.500 and ignore

00:39:26.200 the pattern

00:39:27.420 of anti-semitarism

00:39:28.620 and harassment

00:39:29.240 of Jewish

00:39:29.680 students

00:39:30.060 and so

00:39:30.560 the exposing

00:39:32.300 with sunlight

00:39:33.220 what they're

00:39:33.780 doing is

00:39:34.340 critical

00:39:34.760 and once

00:39:35.560 that happens

00:39:36.580 we need to

00:39:37.040 make sure

00:39:37.400 these institutions

00:39:38.060 change

00:39:38.660 it's not

00:39:39.460 enough

00:39:39.880 for them

00:39:40.460 to put

00:39:40.780 in a

00:39:41.120 new leftist

00:39:41.820 who continues

00:39:42.420 the identical

00:39:43.100 pattern

00:39:43.600 as presidents

00:39:44.920 we need

00:39:45.680 to change

00:39:46.280 the culture

00:39:46.960 and attitude

00:39:47.580 so that

00:39:48.400 all students

00:39:49.280 are protected

00:39:50.060 on campus

00:39:50.800 rather than

00:39:51.780 these positions

00:39:53.440 being abused

00:39:54.240 amen

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - January 03, 2024

Harvard President Resigns-But Harvard Remains Defiant & Refuses to Confront Antisemitism

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