Verdict with Ted Cruz - March 05, 2020


How Nigel Farage Won Brexit


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Ted Cruz joins me in the studio to talk to me about Brexit and what it means to be an independent nation, and why it's so important to have our own country. I think you'll find a lot of similarities between what we're fighting for in the UK and what we are fighting for here in America.

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00:00:04.380 When Nigel Farage told the European Parliament that the UK would leave the European Union,
00:00:09.940 they all laughed at him.
00:00:11.680 Well, look who's laughing now.
00:00:14.060 And look who's in our studio.
00:00:15.340 This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.
00:00:23.680 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.
00:00:25.980 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:00:27.020 We are joined by a now unemployed member of the European Parliament, Nigel Farage.
00:00:32.640 Thank you for being here.
00:00:33.440 And Senator Cruz, I have to thank you for not only being a number one podcaster in America,
00:00:37.980 but also apparently a very good booking producer because you brought your friend Nigel along.
00:00:42.660 Well, and this was pure happenstance.
00:00:45.020 So Nigel came and joined the Republican conference for lunch.
00:00:48.700 And he was talking to us about Brexit.
00:00:50.900 He was talking about his incredible leadership and bringing that about.
00:00:53.920 It was absolutely fascinating.
00:00:55.080 And so I walked up to him afterwards and said, well, look, we're doing this podcast.
00:00:59.160 Can you come join us?
00:01:00.600 And boom, here he is.
00:01:01.960 I am so glad that you were able to come because this is going to sound like a very stupid question.
00:01:06.920 But I thought in 2016, the UK votes for Brexit.
00:01:11.220 They're going to leave the EU.
00:01:12.380 Then for some reason, it doesn't happen.
00:01:14.240 2017, 2018, 2019.
00:01:15.960 Now we're in 2020.
00:01:17.020 It finally happens.
00:01:19.480 What is the Brexit?
00:01:20.960 And even what is the European Union?
00:01:24.320 Well, it's a great question.
00:01:25.380 And thanks, guys.
00:01:26.140 It's great to be here.
00:01:27.200 I, you know, I spent most of my business life before politics working for American companies.
00:01:32.320 So I know a lot of Americans, a lot of smart, well-off Americans.
00:01:35.720 And they've never quite got what the European Union was.
00:01:39.480 They kind of thought it was a bit like NAFTA.
00:01:41.800 But it isn't.
00:01:43.240 The European Union is a political union.
00:01:46.420 And a member state that joins it gives up its sovereignty, gives up the authority of its
00:01:51.520 Supreme Court to another court somewhere else, accepts the fact that most of its laws, rules
00:01:57.700 and regulations are made somewhere else, and that the electors in a general election cannot
00:02:04.180 vote to change any of that legislation.
00:02:06.640 You effectively become, we became a satellite of this new entity called the EU.
00:02:12.760 And of course, they've got their own flag.
00:02:15.020 They've got their own anthem.
00:02:16.720 And guess what?
00:02:17.520 The people who run it, the commissioners, are not voted for by the people and can't
00:02:22.240 be removed by the people.
00:02:23.880 Now, this happened slowly.
00:02:25.580 It evolved over time.
00:02:26.740 It was sold to us as being, this is simple.
00:02:29.900 It's trade.
00:02:30.720 It's good for business.
00:02:31.540 Just an economic union.
00:02:32.220 And don't worry your little heads about it.
00:02:33.820 It'll all be fine.
00:02:35.540 And, you know, 30 years ago, 30 years ago, I looked at this and thought, what the hell?
00:02:39.900 I mean, what did we fight two world wars for if it wasn't for us to be free, independent,
00:02:45.200 sovereign people?
00:02:45.900 And that was where my crusade started.
00:02:47.220 So it was a political union.
00:02:49.520 And Brexit, I'll tell you what Brexit is in one word, independence.
00:02:54.300 Simple as that.
00:02:55.300 Simple as that.
00:02:56.340 There's a kind of parallel over here, I think, because it's not just that there's this fight
00:03:00.580 for sovereignty, this fight for having your own nation that's going on in the UK.
00:03:05.500 It's happening throughout Europe.
00:03:06.580 And it's happening here in the United States.
00:03:08.920 Well, it's the same battle, isn't it?
00:03:10.200 It's actually really interesting because, you know, the other side call us nationalists.
00:03:15.180 It's, you know, we're all very narrow, minded, and we hate everybody around the world.
00:03:19.880 And the truth of it is that actually what's going on here is there is a movement, a movement
00:03:26.040 of those of us who believe that the nation state, run democratically, is the right model
00:03:31.220 by which we should live.
00:03:32.140 And within that framework, we trade with each other, we cooperate with each other, we share
00:03:37.300 defense, intelligence, and do many other things with each other.
00:03:40.880 And I find it fascinating that it's almost like a family of us coming together who are
00:03:46.580 fighting back against, and, you know, it is called globalism.
00:03:50.180 And they want to do away with the nation state.
00:03:53.260 They want us to be ashamed of our countries rather than proud of them.
00:03:56.280 And they want a massive transfer of power from democracy to bureaucracy.
00:04:01.740 And the great thing is, the great thing is, and it started in 2016.
00:04:06.120 And let me just say this.
00:04:07.360 We nearly always copy everything you guys do.
00:04:10.720 Well, thank you.
00:04:11.320 I'm flabbering.
00:04:11.460 Anything America does, we follow.
00:04:13.220 Good things and bad things.
00:04:14.700 But, you know, trends, fashions, whatever it is, we always follow you guys.
00:04:19.120 This time, you followed us.
00:04:20.800 Brexit came first. 0.90
00:04:22.260 The Trump revolution came afterwards.
00:04:24.400 And the reason we're sitting here talking about this, and three and a half years went
00:04:27.940 by, is because the establishment refused to accept the result of the referendum.
00:04:34.320 And we have had the most titanic political battle in our country since the 17th century
00:04:41.220 to make sure the will of the people actually got obeyed.
00:04:45.300 And you know what?
00:04:46.140 On the 31st of January, at 11 p.m., I was there in Parliament Square.
00:04:52.800 There were 100,000 people there.
00:04:55.460 And, you know, you guys think the English are very reserved.
00:04:58.300 They weren't at 11 o'clock on that night.
00:05:00.480 People were cheering and going mad.
00:05:04.020 And we've got our independence.
00:05:04.620 You're saying perhaps a pint or two was flowing.
00:05:06.960 Well, I think I was certainly downwind of a couple.
00:05:09.880 But this is a major historic moment.
00:05:14.580 Yes.
00:05:15.180 I don't think it's just an historic moment for the United Kingdom.
00:05:18.140 Yeah.
00:05:18.240 Listen, this is the beginning of the end of the European Union.
00:05:21.600 Do you think this will lead to other countries leaving?
00:05:23.600 Absolutely.
00:05:24.680 And with the end of the European Union, we get the end of the globalist project.
00:05:28.000 Now, that doesn't mean they won't always keep on fighting.
00:05:31.000 They will, because you will always get, you know, through history, mankind, those that
00:05:35.720 want to dominate everybody else.
00:05:37.460 But this is a big moment in our history.
00:05:39.280 So let's stop for a minute and let's go back to how this came to pass.
00:05:47.600 When did the UK join the EU?
00:05:52.900 And how did Brexit start?
00:05:56.140 When did you arrive in the European Parliament?
00:05:58.420 And take us back to the beginning of the Brexit movement, not today, but where it got started.
00:06:02.860 Okay.
00:06:04.080 In 1870, the Germans. 0.68
00:06:07.360 By the way, I love when I say take us back.
00:06:08.980 We go to 1870.
00:06:10.700 Well, that's almost modern.
00:06:12.040 Yeah.
00:06:14.240 We're talking about a pretty old country over here.
00:06:15.720 We've been around a long time.
00:06:16.600 That's not like America, you know.
00:06:18.960 1870.
00:06:19.320 Look, in the United States, when we say take us back, it's to 7.30 a.m.
00:06:22.660 So that's, you know.
00:06:24.800 1870, the Germans invade across the Rhine.
00:06:28.260 1914, the Germans invade across the Rhine.
00:06:31.200 1940, the Germans invade across the Rhine.
00:06:34.020 Sing a pattern.
00:06:35.020 Hold on.
00:06:35.480 Now, there is a very bad joke, I'm going to tell you.
00:06:37.220 I asked a restaurateur in Strasbourg once, I said, do you get many Germans there?
00:06:40.960 Oh, he said, you know, they pop by once every 25 years or so.
00:06:48.280 But here's the point.
00:06:49.360 It's hard to park the tanks.
00:06:50.320 But here's the point.
00:06:53.800 You know, this endless battle over territory between France and Germany led to two world wars, led to hundreds of millions of deaths.
00:07:02.540 And the thinking post-war was we need to get the French and Germans together around the table to break bread.
00:07:09.960 And the truth of it is, the more business, the more trade we do with each other, the less likely we are to hate each other and fight each other.
00:07:16.100 So the original concept that we have a Europe that comes together was absolutely right. 0.65
00:07:21.420 Unfortunately, those innocent beginnings turned into the attempt to build a new state.
00:07:30.240 And they wanted their own military.
00:07:32.200 And they now want their own army.
00:07:33.940 They want their own air force and all the rest of it.
00:07:35.960 And so what they've done is the ancient nations of Europe are now being consumed, having their identities taken away, their democracies taken away.
00:07:47.800 And Mrs. Thatcher, Mrs. Thatcher, who initially had gone along with the European project, believing that it was about trade. 0.92
00:07:55.120 She was your version of Ronald Reagan. 0.89
00:07:56.960 Same time.
00:07:57.780 Absolutely.
00:07:58.820 And, you know, I mean, listen, when Margaret took over the United Kingdom, we were a socialist country.
00:08:04.360 We had top rate income tax of 83%.
00:08:07.040 It's almost hard to believe the state we got into.
00:08:10.400 Well, and as she explained then, the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.
00:08:16.280 Absolutely.
00:08:17.040 Absolutely.
00:08:17.600 Which is a message, by the way, Bernie Sanders and some American politicians could do to learn.
00:08:22.360 Oh, I love Bernie Sanders.
00:08:23.640 You love him?
00:08:24.540 I love Bernie Sanders.
00:08:24.860 You love him?
00:08:25.280 Why do you love Bernie?
00:08:26.020 I want to give some money to his campaign.
00:08:28.220 No, listen, if Bernie is the nominee, then you guys are just going to walk it in November.
00:08:34.380 57 states.
00:08:35.360 We're going to win.
00:08:35.980 I hope so.
00:08:37.240 Yeah.
00:08:37.380 But I will say, God help us if he wins in November.
00:08:41.880 Yeah, but the truth is, and we're seeing this across the whole of the Western world, that the left parties are going further left.
00:08:49.100 Yeah.
00:08:49.500 Right.
00:08:49.660 They delight their own echo chamber.
00:08:53.160 Right.
00:08:53.380 But actually, the middle of our countries looks at this stuff and says, do you know what?
00:08:57.980 We're not having this.
00:08:58.820 So I think Bernie would be very, very good.
00:09:00.360 Well, you know, I actually, this brings up an interesting point.
00:09:02.440 I want to get to something where I think you agree on most of it, but I think you disagree a little bit on some of the particulars.
00:09:09.140 And that is moving past Brexit to the Huawei controversy.
00:09:13.840 Yeah.
00:09:14.220 Okay.
00:09:14.580 Let me just finish off.
00:09:16.080 Okay.
00:09:16.600 In 1988, Margaret Thatcher sussed what the European project was.
00:09:20.980 She sussed it.
00:09:21.740 Yeah.
00:09:22.020 All right.
00:09:22.260 Because the European community was about to change its name to the European Union.
00:09:27.540 And Margaret sussed it. 0.97
00:09:29.140 She blew the whistle, and they got rid of her because of it. 0.96
00:09:32.280 They got rid of her because of it. 0.90
00:09:33.980 Because all the big business, all the big banks, and all the big money wanted it to go in that direction.
00:09:40.240 And ever since she was gone, the Conservative Party in Britain ceased to be conservative.
00:09:45.440 Ceased to be conservative.
00:09:46.940 And literally gave away your sovereignty.
00:09:49.280 It's a word you used earlier that I think goes really to the heart of what this is about, which is who's in charge.
00:09:57.320 And the most fundamental notion, the American Constitution begins with the words, we the people.
00:10:02.020 Yep.
00:10:02.380 Because sovereignty belongs to the people.
00:10:04.840 And look, as I look at the EU, the sense I make of Brexit is the British people should decide the laws for Britain,
00:10:13.560 and not the damn French, and not the Germans, and not anybody else.
00:10:16.800 What a radical concept.
00:10:17.560 And that's basic sovereignty.
00:10:18.960 That's who's in charge.
00:10:20.120 Not some anonymous bureaucrat.
00:10:21.620 And of course, what we haven't even mentioned is we lost control of our borders as well.
00:10:25.420 So in the early 90s, I joined, I started, I hope to start a rebellion.
00:10:32.260 And the rebellion was against the entire British establishment.
00:10:35.140 It was against the Labour Party.
00:10:36.720 It was against big business.
00:10:38.020 But it was against the Conservative Party as well.
00:10:39.680 And how far out was it at the time?
00:10:41.120 Like, when you started it, how much of a, with all due respect, of a loon did they think you were?
00:10:47.140 Oh, people used to say, I don't know what you're smoking, Nigel, but I'd like some of it.
00:10:51.580 Because it's been a long battle, decades long.
00:10:53.320 I campaigned all through the 1990s.
00:10:57.140 And I think at many times during that period, you know, beginning to look a bit like the patron saint of lost causes.
00:11:02.720 But I first got elected to the EU chamber in 1999.
00:11:07.140 So nearly 21 years, I was there until January the 31st.
00:11:12.260 And we just slowly but surely developed momentum.
00:11:18.060 And in the end, in the end, in 2014, in the European elections, I led UKIP.
00:11:24.380 We won the election.
00:11:25.860 UKIP's the UK independence party.
00:11:26.920 UK independence.
00:11:27.220 It was the first time since 1906 that a party had won a national election that wasn't Labour or Conservative.
00:11:32.280 It was a shockwave.
00:11:34.280 And David Cameron was the Prime Minister.
00:11:35.740 And he could see that I was destroying his Conservative party.
00:11:40.260 I mean, in the country.
00:11:41.480 Because he wasn't that Conservative.
00:11:43.100 On anything.
00:11:44.000 Right.
00:11:44.800 And so in the end, in the end, in an effort to save himself and to save the Conservative party, he said, we'll give you a referendum.
00:11:54.000 That's how it came to be.
00:11:56.280 As I say, we had the referendum.
00:11:57.780 We won the referendum.
00:11:59.200 I thought it was all done and dusted.
00:12:01.000 I thought, great, fabulous.
00:12:02.300 I can get on with the rest of my life.
00:12:04.120 We then got betrayed again.
00:12:06.360 Because they didn't give you the Brexit that the people voted for.
00:12:08.880 They just didn't want to deliver it.
00:12:09.960 They didn't want to deliver it.
00:12:11.760 And so then we had to refight the battle again in 2019, which I did.
00:12:17.800 I set up the Brexit party.
00:12:19.440 And within six weeks of founding it, I won the European elections.
00:12:22.840 And the Conservative party got less than 10% of the vote.
00:12:26.060 Their worst result in 200 years.
00:12:29.760 And the very next morning, before the results were out, Theresa May resigned as Prime Minister.
00:12:34.560 So I can say with some, you know, sort of quite a boast, I suppose, that I have got rid of two British Prime Ministers.
00:12:40.140 And now we've got Boris.
00:12:42.420 And the EU.
00:12:43.200 And now we've got Boris.
00:12:45.040 And, you know, at the moment, he's keeping all his promises.
00:12:49.480 At the moment, the negotiating position is right.
00:12:51.620 So that's good.
00:12:53.000 I couldn't be happier with that.
00:12:54.440 I mean, so, Nigel, help an American understand why Brexit matters to the man in the street.
00:13:02.060 Why Brexit matters to a British shopkeeper.
00:13:04.320 What's different in your life as a result of Brexit?
00:13:07.380 Well, first and foremost, you know, if you believe in your nation and if you believe in your flag and if you believe in your identity and you believe in your history and you believe in what your grandparents' generation did for freedom and liberty, not just in your country, but in the rest of Europe too.
00:13:21.720 If you believe in your country, then the desire to be independent, the desire to be free is something, Ted, you can't put a price on.
00:13:28.300 Sure.
00:13:28.780 You can't put a price on.
00:13:30.140 Now, if I'm running a small business, and don't forget Napoleon called us a nation of shopkeepers once.
00:13:36.880 He thought, funny, isn't it?
00:13:37.960 Which I consider high praise.
00:13:39.280 Well, 200 years ago, the French thought it was an insult to say the British were full of entrepreneurs.
00:13:43.760 But if I'm running that business, all right, every rule and regulation that affects me from employment law to health and safety at work to environmental law, whatever it may be, all of that law has been coming to me from the European Union.
00:14:06.160 And there's no political party I can vote for at elections that will change that.
00:14:10.180 There's no accountability that they could possibly have.
00:14:12.580 Now, with Brexit, we can have proper fights, proper arguments, proper debates about how many people should come into our country, what we should do with environmental law. 0.80
00:14:22.660 So actually, if I'm that shopkeeper-
00:14:23.920 You mean you actually have democracy now.
00:14:25.680 Isn't it amazing?
00:14:26.860 Isn't it remarkable?
00:14:27.980 You know, and to think that, you know, Westminster, that amazing palace of Westminster, that we, and called by so many, the mother of parliaments, had given all that away.
00:14:38.880 Well, and Nigel, look, this is a consistent pattern in Britain, in the US, leftists hate democracy.
00:14:45.580 Because when the people can choose, they don't choose what the leftists want.
00:14:49.760 Ever.
00:14:50.080 So they want an institution they can dominate of faceless, soulless bureaucrats to govern and rule. 0.99
00:14:59.580 This is about power and who has power.
00:15:01.680 But also about their sort of supposed moral authority.
00:15:04.800 Because they think they're better people than us.
00:15:06.480 Yes.
00:15:06.740 They genuinely think they're better people than us.
00:15:09.180 Right.
00:15:09.480 They know better.
00:15:10.680 They know better how to run our lives than we, the peasants. 0.97
00:15:13.460 Well, this is why-
00:15:14.320 That's what it comes down to.
00:15:14.900 When Brexit happened, it was so interesting because Americans loved it.
00:15:18.980 American conservatives were cheering you on.
00:15:21.240 I mean, we were so excited.
00:15:22.720 And I thought, all right, tell us about your farewell speech.
00:15:25.200 Oh, yes.
00:15:25.900 So I've done two farewell speeches because the first was in 2016 after the referendum.
00:15:32.040 And that was when I got up.
00:15:33.740 I thought, well, maybe today they'll treat me with some respect.
00:15:37.300 Oh, no.
00:15:38.120 Oh, no.
00:15:39.000 Oh, no.
00:15:39.860 I got up and 500 people started booing and jeering.
00:15:42.720 And that was when I thought, I'm going to let it.
00:15:44.180 I'm just going to let them have a lot today.
00:15:45.420 And that's when I said, when I came here 18 years ago, I said to you, I would lead a campaign
00:15:51.160 to take Britain out of the European Union.
00:15:53.840 And you all laughed at me.
00:15:55.300 Well, I said, you're not laughing now, are you?
00:15:58.980 But the last, last speech, which we knew was the end, was properly the end.
00:16:05.220 And I thought, look, you know, let's leave, let's go, sort of a little bit cheerfully.
00:16:13.640 So we had our little Union Jacks.
00:16:15.580 I was saying goodbye.
00:16:17.420 And the humorless, faceless, ghastly bureaucratic woman who was in the chair cut my microphone off. 1.00
00:16:26.280 So you're waving the British flag.
00:16:28.240 And it's almost like you're holding a cross up to vampires.
00:16:32.220 Absolutely.
00:16:32.780 I mean, they're recoiling.
00:16:34.400 Yeah, yeah.
00:16:35.180 I want to know.
00:16:35.820 Because they hate the nation state.
00:16:37.100 They want to abolish the nation state.
00:16:38.500 So anyway, she cut the microphone off, which has never happened to me in 21 years there.
00:16:43.200 And we will not cut your microphone off.
00:16:45.000 Not here, not on the show.
00:16:46.220 Well, not yet.
00:16:48.940 And she said, oh, you're leaving anyway.
00:16:51.960 Take your flags and go.
00:16:53.820 And you know something?
00:16:55.140 That's what we did.
00:16:55.800 We did exactly that.
00:16:56.380 We took our flags and we left.
00:16:57.720 Senator, I want to know from your perspective as an American, as an American senator, what Brexit means for us.
00:17:04.500 Because I think we were cheering it on in many ways because so many of the frustrations you're describing we feel here in America.
00:17:11.220 Look, I think it is a powerful statement of sovereignty and of independence.
00:17:16.500 It is shaking off the yokes of a tyrannical government that's not listening to the people.
00:17:22.260 Yeah.
00:17:22.320 And, you know, I think back to when you had the referendum and Barack Obama came over there and lectured the British people.
00:17:32.300 He condescended.
00:17:33.320 And you know what?
00:17:33.820 You talk about thinking you're someone's intellectual better.
00:17:37.060 Barack Obama, just like the Mandarins that run the EU, believed he was the moral and intellectual better. 0.98
00:17:43.240 And I remember thinking, gosh, that can't be good for the forces that want to stay in the EU to have Obama condescending and hectoring the British voters.
00:17:55.060 It was the way it was there was a big BBC interview and it was the way he just looked down his nose at the country that has been your closest friend and ally for a hundred years with whom we've spent much blood and treasure, you know, and been through some tough times and some good times together.
00:18:13.460 It was shocking.
00:18:15.340 It was shocking.
00:18:16.400 We would go to the back of the line if we dared to leave the EU.
00:18:19.740 And see, and see, I'll admit it at the time.
00:18:23.480 So I was rooting for Brexit, but I kept my mouth shut at it because it wasn't my responsibility.
00:18:28.680 What I said at the time is, you know what?
00:18:30.320 This is a determination for the British people.
00:18:32.560 If they choose to leave the EU, that's a decision of national sovereignty.
00:18:36.500 They have the right to make that choice.
00:18:38.920 But who am I to tell them how they should decide this?
00:18:41.520 This is a decision for the British people.
00:18:43.720 And you know what?
00:18:44.200 We wouldn't appreciate Boris Johnson coming over and telling us how to run our country.
00:18:48.340 And so we should show you that same respect.
00:18:52.480 It was a big mistake.
00:18:53.220 It was a huge miscalculation.
00:18:54.800 Cameron thought it was the absolute ace card in the pack.
00:18:58.080 In fact, the British people were revolted by Obama.
00:19:00.660 And I think he sort of added about 1% to our score.
00:19:03.660 So we're quite grateful.
00:19:04.920 I mean, look, going on from here.
00:19:07.360 I mean, look, you know, we're the biggest investor in the USA.
00:19:10.820 We're the biggest overseas investor in your country.
00:19:12.400 You're the biggest overseas investor in our country.
00:19:15.000 We share a language.
00:19:17.800 All right.
00:19:18.340 I know we sound a bit different, but we share a language.
00:19:21.180 Not everyone can have as refined an accent as the Americans have. 0.95
00:19:24.160 And we have quite.
00:19:25.240 And we have an amazing shared history together.
00:19:28.300 Although there is the complaint from my fair lady of why can't the British teach your children
00:19:31.940 how to speak?
00:19:32.660 Yes.
00:19:32.880 We have shared intelligence.
00:19:37.960 We have been.
00:19:38.820 You're the big guys.
00:19:39.800 But without the two of us, NATO wouldn't even exist.
00:19:43.040 Yeah.
00:19:43.500 All right.
00:19:44.060 And going on, there's some real work to do on organizations like NATO.
00:19:48.240 And so there's so many opportunities now between us.
00:19:51.820 You know, we should be buying Levi's jeans and Harley Davidsons without tariffs.
00:19:55.320 And you should be buying Jaguar Mordercars and Scottish whiskey without tariffs.
00:19:58.800 I could cheers to that.
00:20:00.040 It's not difficult.
00:20:00.800 You didn't bring any scotch with you.
00:20:02.040 No, not today.
00:20:03.500 I do.
00:20:04.180 But here's the problem.
00:20:05.460 Here's the problem.
00:20:06.040 And you touched on it earlier.
00:20:08.660 Despite my being joyous at where we are and with Brexit, and I now want to go out around
00:20:16.880 the rest of Europe and spread the rebellion, because I now want Europe to leave the EU.
00:20:22.380 And that's my next.
00:20:23.200 By the way, who's next?
00:20:24.460 Well, that depends.
00:20:25.840 That depends on the economics of it.
00:20:28.440 It could be Italy or Greece the next time we have a serious economic downturn, because
00:20:32.460 they're in the wrong currency.
00:20:33.960 Right.
00:20:34.240 I mean, the euro is great for Germany.
00:20:36.220 Yeah.
00:20:37.060 It's great for Germany.
00:20:38.200 Not so great for Italy.
00:20:39.100 Because they've got a devalued currency, effectively.
00:20:41.580 So it's very good for them selling motorcars into America and everything else.
00:20:44.800 Well, you were also sharing the frustrations of the Eastern European countries.
00:20:48.440 Well, I was.
00:20:49.240 And this is, so this is interesting.
00:20:51.020 The West of Europe, led culturally by the French, has become fanatical about multiculturalism
00:20:57.400 and a whole series of very, very woke type issues.
00:21:00.840 Listen, these Hungarians and these Poles are very traditional countries, very Christian
00:21:05.240 countries, very proud of their identity.
00:21:08.020 I mean, goodness me, these countries have suffered under communism, Nazism. 0.72
00:21:13.020 And millions of their people have been exterminated.
00:21:15.180 Soviet tanks are a real memory for an awful lot of those citizens.
00:21:18.140 Oh, absolutely.
00:21:19.040 And, you know, it's only 30 years ago.
00:21:20.880 Right.
00:21:21.340 That they broke free.
00:21:22.160 Yeah.
00:21:22.440 And suddenly, you've got bureaucrats in Brussels telling them who can sit on their high court
00:21:27.600 about what to do about gay marriage and many other issues.
00:21:30.080 So, you know, you've got the economic north-south split.
00:21:33.380 You've got the cultural east-west split.
00:21:35.200 I don't know who's next.
00:21:36.480 All I do know is that the phenomenal opportunities that we've got to bring back together the English-speaking
00:21:44.480 peoples of the world.
00:21:45.920 I mean, this is what Churchill used to talk about.
00:21:47.580 And you know what?
00:21:48.400 He was absolutely right then, and it's absolutely right now.
00:21:51.840 But I do fear that Boris Johnson's decision to allow Huawei into helping to build our new
00:21:58.980 5G network.
00:21:59.240 Huawei is this Chinese technology company.
00:22:01.180 Yeah, it's a Chinese technology company.
00:22:03.080 But here's the point.
00:22:04.540 There's no such thing in China as a private company.
00:22:06.300 Right.
00:22:07.220 You know, this is a communist state, a communist dictatorship.
00:22:11.860 And so Boris's decision on Huawei at the minute has put things on hold.
00:22:15.960 I mean, for example, there is no date in the diary for Boris Johnson to come and visit Trump
00:22:21.840 at the White House.
00:22:22.640 Now, this should have been happening very, very quickly.
00:22:25.940 I even worry that with Huawei on the scene, whether Congress at the moment would even pass.
00:22:32.460 Because the issue, I mean, it should be separate, but I'll be.
00:22:36.880 Yeah.
00:22:37.120 So let me explain this a little bit.
00:22:38.420 Huawei is this giant telecom company that is owned and controlled by the Chinese government.
00:22:44.220 The Chinese government is investing billions in building a global surveillance network.
00:22:49.800 And they come to countries all over the world, and they offer incredibly cheap telecom equipment.
00:22:55.220 And it's a little bit like the drug dealer that shows up at a junior high and says,
00:22:59.960 psst, just try this.
00:23:01.860 That's what Huawei is doing.
00:23:03.480 Wow.
00:23:03.880 And the reason they're doing it, they're not doing it to make money.
00:23:06.980 They're doing it to install surveillance equipment.
00:23:10.560 Britain, unfortunately, just announced that they're going to install Huawei equipment on some
00:23:14.800 of their telecom infrastructure.
00:23:17.240 One of the big problems with that, so there is this thing called Five Eyes.
00:23:23.040 Now, what does Five Eyes mean?
00:23:24.240 Five Eyes is an alliance of five countries, the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia,
00:23:29.420 New Zealand, and Canada.
00:23:30.760 And we share the most sensitive intelligence and security.
00:23:35.000 So if we intercept communications between the Russians and the Chinese, we share that amongst
00:23:41.980 ourselves.
00:23:42.400 Now, here's the problem from U.S. national security perspective.
00:23:46.900 If Huawei equipment is installed in the U.K., we've got a serious problem sharing our intelligence
00:23:54.360 with the U.K.
00:23:56.920 And listen, we are strong friends of the British.
00:23:59.920 We will remain strong friends of the British.
00:24:02.380 But I hope the British government reverses its decision on Huawei.
00:24:08.080 And if they don't, I think we will have to reevaluate the Five Eyes relationship. 0.99
00:24:13.460 And I'll tell you right now, four eyes are better than six eyes.
00:24:17.500 Right, right.
00:24:18.080 You don't want that sixth eye.
00:24:19.220 That's a great quote.
00:24:20.060 And I'm going to take that home with me.
00:24:21.280 Good.
00:24:21.700 I'm going to make sure through British media and British conservative politicians understand
00:24:25.700 and hear that message loud and clear.
00:24:27.620 This is a mistake.
00:24:28.440 It needs to be reversed.
00:24:29.300 We love and trust the British, but we're not interested in having our most sensitive
00:24:34.820 intelligence intercepted by the Chinese and read by the Chinese communist government.
00:24:39.940 You know, we have just about a minute left.
00:24:41.700 And I'm sorry, we haven't even gotten to the most important issue.
00:24:45.320 I know this is the one we've been on the edge of our seats about.
00:24:48.240 We've talked about Brexit.
00:24:49.280 We have to talk about Mexit.
00:24:51.340 Meghan Markle breaking up your royal family.
00:24:53.680 Oh, look, you know, Harry, he's not had the easiest of lives.
00:24:58.500 You know, the mother dying and some tough things happening.
00:25:01.760 He found his way in the world.
00:25:03.820 He joined the army.
00:25:04.880 He loved the army.
00:25:06.400 He did two tours of Afghanistan.
00:25:08.760 He held some very distinguished positions, captain general of our Royal Marines and many
00:25:14.180 other things.
00:25:15.820 And then he married Meghan.
00:25:18.600 I'm sorry, if you're born into wealth and privilege in the royal family, you're also born
00:25:22.800 into duty.
00:25:24.080 Right.
00:25:24.420 And they told the Queen they wanted to keep the royal titles, go to the West Coast to
00:25:29.480 LA and make money, not do any royal engagements.
00:25:32.540 They wanted to, as we say in England, have their cake and eat it.
00:25:35.560 And the Queen, at nearly 94 years old, has put her foot down and said, God save the Queen.
00:25:44.140 And said, you no longer can call yourselves His and Her Royal Highness.
00:25:48.620 You no longer effectively are members of the royal family.
00:25:52.680 You are private citizens.
00:25:54.180 Now get on an airplane and go off to the West Coast, go off to Vancouver Island, go off to
00:25:59.080 LA because we don't want you here anymore.
00:26:01.200 Isn't the Queen truly wonderful? 0.99
00:26:03.460 She is so wonderful.
00:26:04.540 She's wonderful.
00:26:05.320 Because we couldn't have.
00:26:06.980 We couldn't have our monarchy being devalued like this.
00:26:09.460 And become so crass.
00:26:10.520 Let me ask you, on a personal level, how genuinely pissed do you think they are at each other?
00:26:16.840 Oh, listen, the Queen is old enough to have lived through our disastrous short reign of 1.00
00:26:23.260 Edward VIII, who, of course, as we found out later, was a Nazi sympathizer and many other
00:26:28.000 things.
00:26:28.700 And the royal family got rid of him, banished him.
00:26:31.420 He lived in Paris for the rest of his life.
00:26:33.360 And I think she takes the view that Harry and Meghan, if they stayed in the United Kingdom,
00:26:37.960 would do the royal family immense damage.
00:26:40.540 And for anyone that's watched The Crown in a couple of years' time, this will be the
00:26:44.980 best episode ever.
00:26:46.820 Well, I will say, though, seeing them pal around with Hollywood liberals, I apologize for the
00:26:54.340 impact of our country on corrupting your arms.
00:26:57.520 This is the second American revolution.
00:26:58.720 Well, do you know what?
00:26:59.580 You're welcome to it.
00:27:00.460 All right, well, now that we've at least touched on the most important topic, I think we have
00:27:05.520 got to let you go.
00:27:06.660 Thank you.
00:27:07.060 Nigel Farage, thank you so much for being here.
00:27:09.100 Senator, thank you for having such illustrious friends and giving the vantage of a U.S. senator
00:27:14.920 to the man who just broke the European Union.
00:27:18.080 We'll have to cause a little bit more trouble on future episodes.
00:27:21.180 That is our show.
00:27:21.860 I'm Michael Knowles.
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