Verdict with Ted Cruz - May 10, 2023


Hunter Biden Bombshells plus Rep. Jim Jordan Joins Us for Deep Dive on Biden Crime Family Part 1


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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) sits down with Rep. Jim Jordan (D-Ohio) to discuss the Biden crime family and how the FBI may have colluded with the Joe Biden campaign to get 51 former intelligence officials to sign a secret document that could have been used to influence the 2016 election.

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
00:00:02.700 Guaranteed Human.
00:00:05.820 Welcome to Washington, D.C., Senator.
00:00:08.120 Nice to be here with you.
00:00:09.740 Congressman Jim Jordan, our special guest.
00:00:12.240 And I got to say, I know you and I have talked about this on the plane right up.
00:00:16.420 This is going to be a really important podcast.
00:00:19.300 It's going to be a two-part series that we're going to do.
00:00:22.100 And we're going to take a big, deep breath, start back at the beginning.
00:00:26.120 And so everyone can know where we are in this Biden crime family investigation.
00:00:32.100 But before we even get to that, there is breaking news that we've got to talk about.
00:00:36.160 Well, that's exactly right.
00:00:37.520 And I'm going to let Jim describe it.
00:00:38.980 Listen, everyone knows who Jim Jordan is.
00:00:40.940 If you own a television, you know who Jim is.
00:00:42.980 He represents Ohio's 4th Congressional District.
00:00:46.120 He is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
00:00:49.140 He's also the chairman of the Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government.
00:00:53.180 He is a founder of the House Freedom Caucus.
00:00:57.440 And he's just a badass conservative.
00:00:59.560 And Jim and I have been in many a foxhole together.
00:01:03.660 In fact, I don't know what to do if they're not shooting at it.
00:01:07.820 If the press isn't saying something bad about you, you ain't doing anything any good.
00:01:11.740 You've certainly had the press say bad things about you because you've done a lot of good work.
00:01:14.960 And you know what?
00:01:15.740 I feel safe that the New York Times is not going to do any glowing profiles on either of us anytime soon.
00:01:21.060 They'll do hit pieces on us.
00:01:22.180 But I appreciate your leadership, Senator Cruz, and good to be with you.
00:01:26.320 But you're right.
00:01:27.160 We now know that the famous letter by the 51 former Intel officials, we now know that the CIA reviewed and approved the letter that Mr. Morrell put together and 51 of these folks, 50 other of these folks signed.
00:01:40.740 We also now have evidence that suggests that one of the individuals who signed it got a call from the publication review board.
00:01:49.380 He had something pending in front of this board, a different book that he was writing.
00:01:52.620 And they called to tell him, hey, we've approved your book.
00:01:56.040 You can, because they're looking for any classified concerns and classified issue concerns.
00:02:00.000 They called to say, you can, you can go, you can move forward with, with your book.
00:02:04.620 But while we got you, would you be interested in signing this letter that Mr. Morrell put together talking about how the Biden laptop story was, was Russian, you know, information operation.
00:02:15.720 So you now have what looks like the CIA actively recruiting and shopping this letter to people.
00:02:22.680 This is the CIA that worked for President Trump.
00:02:24.660 President Trump's on the ballot.
00:02:25.660 And we, when we deposed Mike Morrell, of course, he told us that the reason he put the letter together was he wanted Biden to have a talking point in the debate that was coming up a few days later.
00:02:37.000 And he wanted Biden to win the election.
00:02:39.000 And of course, they put that all together.
00:02:41.260 Joe Biden used it.
00:02:42.520 And, um, and so much so that when the debate was over, the campaign called up Mike Morrell, Steve Reschetti, the chair of the Biden campaign, called him up to thank him for, for putting it all together.
00:02:53.700 And so you have this kind of coordination going on.
00:02:56.880 It's, it's wrong.
00:02:58.120 It's scary.
00:02:58.780 And, uh, it's, it's why we have the committees doing the oversight work we're doing.
00:03:02.180 So this is big new breaking news that, that your committee broke late last night.
00:03:07.000 That number one, before this letter with 51 intelligence officials came out, that the CIA signed off on it with their review committee, number one.
00:03:17.860 But number two, that an active employee of the CIA pitched the letter to one of the signers, uninvited, said, hey, have you signed this letter yet?
00:03:28.080 And, and in fact, you sent, you, you reached out to each of the 51 signers and you asked him about, okay, how did this come to pass?
00:03:36.340 And, and actually what, what this individual says is he comes back and says that he was, he had a book.
00:03:45.040 Right.
00:03:45.620 That he board, right.
00:03:46.680 That he was submitting to the board for review.
00:03:49.780 And he, when the person in charge of reviewing the book called to say it was approved with no changes, I was told about the draft letter.
00:03:58.120 Yep.
00:03:58.300 The person asked me if I would be willing to sign.
00:04:01.780 I do not recall the person's name or the exact date of the phone call upon hearing the letters, contents and the qualifiers in it, such as we want to emphasize, we do not know if the emails provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani are genuine or not.
00:04:16.460 And that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement.
00:04:19.660 I agreed to sign a sign.
00:04:21.400 And not only that, he said his wife, who's also former CIA, she agreed to sign as well.
00:04:26.620 So at least two of the 51, the CIA effectively recruited to sign.
00:04:31.840 Right.
00:04:32.120 That's what he, and this is an email he sent to us to, to, to the committee.
00:04:35.180 Now, I think it's also important is they called him.
00:04:38.380 So he didn't call up, say, Hey, have you approved the book I got pending in front of you, the book I want to write.
00:04:42.800 They called him.
00:04:43.800 And when they called him to say, Hey, your book's been approved, by the way, would you be interested in signing this letter that's being put together?
00:04:50.480 And they read the letter to him.
00:04:51.900 And in some ways you could say, I don't know if this is the case, but it's sort of interesting.
00:04:55.560 Is there a quid pro quo going on here?
00:04:57.300 Like we approved your book, no classified concerns there.
00:05:00.220 Would you be willing to sign this letter?
00:05:01.840 And of course he and his wife did sign it.
00:05:03.180 And they were part of the 51 people who, who were on the letter.
00:05:05.680 And the other thing about this letter, I think is so important.
00:05:08.660 It wasn't just Mike Morrell, Leon Panetta, David Kerrins, the guy we're talking about here.
00:05:14.460 It wasn't just their name.
00:05:15.500 It was also their title.
00:05:16.520 And it was presented in that debate.
00:05:18.820 If you remember, Joe Biden presented it as if this was organic.
00:05:23.040 It just sprang out just out of the goodness of their heart.
00:05:25.780 They put this together.
00:05:26.820 That wasn't the case.
00:05:27.660 Now remind our listeners and our viewers, who was Mike Morrell?
00:05:31.360 Mike Morrell was forming active director of the CIA.
00:05:33.740 I think the reason he was so gung ho on putting this together is one, he gets a call from Tony Blinken.
00:05:38.500 So let's do the timeline.
00:05:40.240 October 14th, 2020, the New York Post comes out with a story about the Biden laptop.
00:05:44.200 Three days later on the 17th.
00:05:45.420 And that's a couple of weeks before the election.
00:05:47.120 So it's big news.
00:05:48.560 Big news.
00:05:49.880 They come out with a story.
00:05:51.560 Of course, it's being talked about.
00:05:53.060 President Trump is going to, is going to talk about it.
00:05:55.060 On the 17th, Tony Blinken, then working for the Biden campaign.
00:05:58.880 Now, of course, Secretary of State.
00:06:00.780 Tony Blinken contacts Mike Morrell and says, hey, what do you think about this Biden laptop story?
00:06:05.880 Is it Russian information operations?
00:06:07.860 Is it Russian misinformation, disinformation?
00:06:09.680 He gets him thinking about it.
00:06:11.140 Morrell digs into it.
00:06:12.080 I think largely because Mike Morrell was hoping to be the CIA director in a Biden administration.
00:06:17.160 He digs into it.
00:06:18.940 And Tony Blinken sends him a copy from an article from USA Today later that same day.
00:06:25.460 Next two days, Mike Morrell puts it all together.
00:06:28.480 Gets 50 people, 50 other people to sign it, 51 total.
00:06:31.640 And they do the letter.
00:06:32.560 And then, of course, the letter goes public on the 19th after it's approved by the board early that morning.
00:06:37.520 Goes on the 19th.
00:06:38.720 And Joe Biden, of course, uses it during the campaign.
00:06:40.480 You mentioned quid pro quo, and there's a lot of people that had incentive to make sure that Joe Biden became president.
00:06:50.640 Anthony Blinken obviously got the biggest job of his career.
00:06:53.780 When you look at this letter now, knowing how people are jockeying for position, how much do you think that played into their decision making?
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00:07:57.520 Congressman, I understand people when campaigns happen, everybody's looking and angry.
00:08:02.760 This was on a whole other level.
00:08:04.620 It's like, hey, you helped me get to be president.
00:08:06.560 You get this letter.
00:08:07.780 Hey, you've become Secretary of State.
00:08:09.260 Hey, you signed your name to this letter.
00:08:11.320 You might be at the CIA director because of this.
00:08:13.740 Yeah, we don't know.
00:08:14.320 I mean, we don't know if there's any quid pro quo.
00:08:16.020 We just know that I think Mike Morrell was interested in that.
00:08:18.560 He said as much.
00:08:19.680 Obviously, Tony Blinken was interested in Secretary of State.
00:08:21.840 He's working on the Biden campaign.
00:08:23.040 We know how campaigns work.
00:08:24.440 And everyone has a First Amendment right to weigh in on a campaign and politics and speak your mind and say what you believe.
00:08:31.260 But this was done with the added weight of the title associated with their name.
00:08:37.640 It was presented to the country, to we the people, as if it was an organic thing that just happened when we know it was done at the prompting of Blinken calling Mike Morrell and Mike Morrell ran with it.
00:08:50.780 We even know that the Biden campaign was telling Mike Morrell, here is the journalist.
00:08:56.340 Here's the newspaper.
00:08:57.320 Here's the outlet, the media outlet.
00:08:58.600 We want you to first take this letter, too.
00:09:01.060 So they were getting that kind of coordination with the Biden campaign.
00:09:04.600 So all that factored into this.
00:09:08.020 And then, of course, it's it's part of this this this bigger thing where we see the Biden's involved in so many things that cause concerns.
00:09:15.220 Well, I think that was a big issue.
00:09:16.640 Jim, one of the things I think to emphasize on this, you're right that everyone has a First Amendment right.
00:09:21.280 And if you had 51 former intelligence officials that wanted to say, hey, we really like Joe Biden.
00:09:25.520 We think he'd make a great president.
00:09:27.060 That'd be fine.
00:09:27.660 That's part of politics.
00:09:28.460 That's right.
00:09:29.300 But that wasn't this letter.
00:09:31.060 This letter was a lie.
00:09:32.880 You're right.
00:09:33.080 This letter was a lie. 0.78
00:09:34.600 To cover up smoking gun evidence of corruption because Hunter Biden, who I mean, the poor guy is a screw up, but he leaves his laptop.
00:09:44.720 I actually kind of feel for Joe Biden in a sense. 0.97
00:09:47.260 He's like looking at his son going, are you frigging kidding me? 0.98
00:09:50.300 Like you just abandoned your laptop at a repair shop with all the evidence of the crap we're doing. 0.98
00:09:55.900 And they kept calling you to come get it.
00:09:57.620 And you still didn't answer.
00:09:58.700 I mean, look, this is not the Sopranos.
00:10:00.640 This is like the three stooges engaged in crime.
00:10:04.600 So they're sitting there with a real crisis three weeks out.
00:10:09.000 And so they engage in a lie.
00:10:11.920 And this letter, you know, one of the people who helped edit it was James Clapper, who was the director of national intelligence under Obama, who made an editorial suggestion.
00:10:20.340 Yeah, he sure did.
00:10:20.960 And he said, quote, I have one editorial suggestion for the letter.
00:10:24.060 I think it would strengthen the verbiage.
00:10:26.360 If you say this has all of the classic earmarks of a Soviet Russian information operation rather than the, quote, feel of a Russian observation operation rather.
00:10:38.480 So it's just initially it was just a feel, but the no, no, no, no, earmarks.
00:10:43.920 And here's the amazing thing.
00:10:46.260 The federal government knew this was a lie.
00:10:48.040 And in fact, the Department of Justice had taken physical possession of the laptop almost a year earlier, December 9th, 2019, December 2019.
00:10:59.180 Yeah, they had it.
00:11:00.200 They had it.
00:11:00.700 And in addition to doing this, they were they were what we talked about before, pre-bunking the whole the whole leak that was going to that they assumed was going to happen.
00:11:11.160 So they had been leading up to this this October time frame.
00:11:14.640 They had been telling Elvis Chan with the FBI had been telling the big tech companies, hey, be on the lookout for a hack and leak operation.
00:11:21.900 Like we said, it's going to happen.
00:11:22.960 So they've been this is all part of the all part of this kind of choreographed deal that they put together.
00:11:29.620 And I think, Senator, your point is so big.
00:11:32.940 What they said in the letter wasn't accurate.
00:11:35.560 It wasn't a Russian information operation.
00:11:37.580 We now know that.
00:11:38.440 Yeah.
00:11:38.660 And even all the major presses indicated now that, oh, yeah, you know what?
00:11:42.300 It was actually legit.
00:11:43.480 The emails were legit.
00:11:44.420 What was on the laptop?
00:11:45.740 Visit all legit.
00:11:47.420 So to be fair, some may have known it.
00:11:50.120 Some may not have.
00:11:51.100 Like this guy who the CIA suggested, hey, you want to sign this letter?
00:11:54.680 He's like, yeah, OK, sure.
00:11:55.940 You know, I hate the guy.
00:11:56.860 Great.
00:11:57.800 Like some of them may just have been half assed and willing to be political hacks.
00:12:03.240 Every person who put their name on this should be embarrassed.
00:12:05.800 But others deliberately knew, deliberately lied.
00:12:09.960 And by the way, interestingly enough, Mike Burrell testified.
00:12:14.220 You know, he was asked about, well, what do you think about a CIA official soliciting people to sign this?
00:12:19.380 And he says, it's inappropriate for a currently serving staff officer or contractor to be involved in the political process.
00:12:25.460 Yeah.
00:12:26.000 Well, no kidding.
00:12:26.780 No kidding.
00:12:27.240 I was going to say, what is the rule?
00:12:28.540 I mean, should the American people expect more from a human being working at the CIA than to be working basically on behalf of a political campaign?
00:12:37.720 Of course.
00:12:38.000 And is there any repercussions for this individual now that we know what happened?
00:12:42.100 Well, of course, it's as inappropriate.
00:12:44.360 And as the senator said, when we actually had Mike Burrell in for his interview, he said that this is entirely inappropriate.
00:12:50.680 I think he even said I have to go back and look at the transcript and look at our report.
00:12:53.660 But I think he even said that might have changed my whole decision whether this letter ever happened or not, because it's so wrong for someone to be trying to to shop and recruit people to sign on to something like this.
00:13:05.040 The other fact that that's in our report is we asked this of Mr. Morell, because on the 19th, October 19th, 2020, when the letter comes out in that afternoon, earlier that morning, John Ratcliffe, director of national intelligence in the Trump administration, is doing an interview and he's asked about it.
00:13:23.300 And he says on the interview, he says it wasn't Russian disinformation.
00:13:27.140 He's clear about it.
00:13:27.880 I asked Mr. Morell, I said, you know, the day you put this out earlier that morning, the head of ODNI, Mr. Ratcliffe said, wasn't Russian misinformation operation disinformation at all?
00:13:37.500 And I said, you know, what do you have to say?
00:13:39.740 He basically said, we thought he was wrong, which to me is amazing.
00:13:44.360 Like, so with no evidence.
00:13:45.440 Yeah, we just we thought it had to be because it because we'd seen it before.
00:13:48.820 They don't have had all the, you know, the markings, all the earmarks, classic earmarks.
00:13:54.240 They actually believed it, I think, in many ways.
00:13:56.340 But it's funny that the arrogance that, you know, the guy in the government getting the information in real time, assessing the intelligence that they're gathering, says one thing.
00:14:07.760 But the guys on the outside, so much smarter than, you know, think they're so much better.
00:14:12.020 They reach a completely different conclusion and write the letter.
00:14:14.700 It's like, go figure.
00:14:16.400 But that's that's I think it's kind of kind of shows the the you know, how they view Republicans or the Trump administration.
00:14:23.080 But you know who didn't believe it?
00:14:24.400 Number one, Hunter Biden didn't believe it.
00:14:28.080 He knew damn well it was his laptop.
00:14:30.300 Sure did.
00:14:30.940 But number two, you know who didn't believe it?
00:14:33.700 Joe Biden.
00:14:34.820 And look, they're one of two scenarios.
00:14:37.520 Either Joe Biden knew for a fact this was his son's laptop.
00:14:40.760 Mm hmm.
00:14:41.100 Because, look, in any sane world, this story breaks your son's laptop with all this evidence.
00:14:48.260 The first call you make is to your son going, what the hell's going on? 1.00
00:14:52.480 Tell me you're not so damn stupid as to leave the evidence. 1.00
00:14:57.040 So in a normal world, that would be Joe's first call. 1.00
00:15:01.080 Or alternatively, if he didn't make that call, it means he didn't want to know.
00:15:05.720 Yeah.
00:15:06.440 Then it means, oh, no, no, I don't want it to be true.
00:15:08.900 Don't tell me.
00:15:09.520 Don't tell me.
00:15:10.100 Don't tell me.
00:15:11.320 But look, this letter manifested directly in the debate.
00:15:16.920 And in fact, here.
00:15:18.000 I think it saved his campaign.
00:15:19.500 It did.
00:15:20.440 Watch again.
00:15:21.360 Joe Biden happily repeating the lie to the American people.
00:15:25.840 I remember going over convincing our team or others to convincing us that we should be providing for loan guarantees.
00:15:34.080 And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev.
00:15:38.820 And and I was going supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee.
00:15:43.860 And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor.
00:15:52.940 And they didn't.
00:15:53.960 So they said they had they're walking out to the press conference and I said, no, I said, I'm not going to or we're not going to give you the billion dollars.
00:16:00.760 They said, you have no authority.
00:16:02.240 You're not the president.
00:16:03.060 The president said, I said, call him.
00:16:05.940 I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting a billion dollars.
00:16:08.560 I said, you're not getting a billion.
00:16:10.100 I'm going to be leaving here.
00:16:11.100 I think it was about six hours.
00:16:12.360 As I look, I said, I'm leaving in six hours.
00:16:14.420 If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. 1.00
00:16:17.520 Oh, son of a bitch. 1.00
00:16:19.760 Got fired. 1.00
00:16:20.520 And they put in place someone who was solid.
00:16:24.660 That's a moment that I think everybody's going to remember where the Biden crime family to me basically was created as an American issue in this campaign and his presidency moving forward.
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00:17:06.740 I want to go back in time and ask you, you saw that debate.
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00:18:08.380 Congressman, you watch this.
00:18:10.160 You see it unravel.
00:18:11.500 Yeah.
00:18:11.740 But then it changed from your perspective when it was like there's something really here that needs to be looked at and people are lying.
00:18:19.400 Yeah. And how it fits in with what we've called the weaponization of government and how government has been turned on the American people, particularly this censorship issue.
00:18:30.700 As Mr. Taibbi and Mr. Schellenberger called it, the censorship industrial complex, big government in cahoots with big tech, big media to keep information from we the people and in the context of a presidential election.
00:18:45.380 So if you go back and read, we've kind of touched on it, but you read Schellenberger's Twitter files.
00:18:49.760 I believe it's number seven where he walks us through this whole Hunter Biden laptop and then prepping big tech that, oh, there may be this hack and leak in October.
00:19:00.720 It'll involve Hunter Biden and prepping this, getting him ready for what was coming.
00:19:05.860 And then how I viewed the letter from the 51 Intel officials was that was the last straw.
00:19:10.700 That was what sealed the deal because big tech was already sort of prepped for it.
00:19:14.880 The story breaks on October 14th.
00:19:17.140 They start to suppress it, limit who we can share it with, who we can like it, who we can send it to.
00:19:21.800 That's all happening.
00:19:23.180 And then here comes the letter.
00:19:24.900 51 former Intel officials, former directors of the CIA, acting directors of the CIA, head of ODNI.
00:19:30.100 They're all signing this.
00:19:31.320 Republicans, Democrats are all signing this. 1.00
00:19:33.620 It's all garbage, but they're all signing it. 1.00
00:19:35.440 That was the final straw. 0.99
00:19:36.780 And that's what kept the story suppressed and I think impacted the presidential election.
00:19:41.360 Well, Jim, let me play devil's advocate.
00:19:43.940 Why did it matter that the story was suppressed?
00:19:46.920 What's so damning on the laptop that they had to go to these extraordinary measures to keep it out of the public eye right before the election?
00:19:54.000 Well, remember, we had an eyewitness.
00:19:55.540 We had Mr. Bob Alinsky come forward and say, the emails are legit.
00:20:00.520 The big guy is, in fact, the big guy.
00:20:02.720 I mean, remember, so you had an eyewitness.
00:20:04.640 You had real emails and the press was trying to say, no, no, no, this is a hack and leak.
00:20:09.160 They focused on something that wasn't true to take it off of the actual evidence we had.
00:20:14.780 And the eyewitness was a business partner of these guys.
00:20:17.660 And not just a little business partner.
00:20:20.120 Yeah, he was in part of it.
00:20:21.100 Tell people a little bit about Tony Bob Alinsky, how involved he was with the Biden family.
00:20:24.820 He met with Joe Biden, right?
00:20:26.440 Remember, he testified, or he didn't testify this, but he said this one, I believe it was a Tucker Carlson interview, if I remember correctly.
00:20:32.180 He talked about that.
00:20:33.400 He was a business partner helping to form this fund.
00:20:36.220 And he said, those emails are legit.
00:20:40.260 10% for the big guy was legit.
00:20:42.260 And, of course, everyone was like, no, no, you can't talk about that.
00:20:44.820 The letter from the 51.
00:20:46.360 And Bob Alinsky's signature's on the documents.
00:20:47.560 Yeah, the letter from the 51 was that final straw that they were, the press, big tech, were all muddying this up in the Biden campaign, of course.
00:20:57.220 And then that letter comes in, and it's like, 51.
00:21:00.240 I remember Joe Biden didn't hold it up, but in essence, he was basically holding it up.
00:21:03.800 He was saying, 50, as if they did it on their own, but they were coordinating this whole thing.
00:21:09.720 And, you know, the 10% for the big guy, we've talked a lot on Verdict about how the Biden DOJ desperately wants to hang Hunter out to dry, but make everything personal.
00:21:23.140 Make it about a drug use or make it about tax crimes that are unique to him.
00:21:31.720 What they want to do, I believe, is insulate the big guy.
00:21:35.600 And the laptop is a huge problem for that because it connects Joe Biden, then the sitting vice president, into the sale of influence that Hunter was in the business of selling influence to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:21:51.840 And what's amazing is more and more evidence is coming out that this is not just selling influence.
00:21:56.680 It's actually, I guess in a way, it ought to be encouraging that buying a vice president isn't cheap.
00:22:02.920 It's apparently millions of dollars.
00:22:05.180 And billions of loans.
00:22:07.240 Well, we do know that there are 170 plus suspicious activity reports.
00:22:12.780 And I always tell folks, you know, that the word is suspicious for a reason.
00:22:16.800 Our Treasury Department identifies these transactions, these banking transactions as suspicious.
00:22:22.180 And so there's 170 of them.
00:22:23.840 Mr. Comer and the Oversight Committee in the House has reviewed thousands of pages of bank records.
00:22:29.300 And we now know that there's over 20 LLCs that the Biden family formed, receiving millions of dollars from foreign entities.
00:22:37.520 That money is being paid out to multiple members of the Biden family.
00:22:42.900 Joe, Hunter, not Joe, but Joe's brother, Joe's son, Hunter, sister-in-law, daughter-in-law.
00:22:49.760 I believe all receive money based on what we've seen in the suspicious activity reports.
00:22:53.340 So I think the current account is up to 12 members of the Biden family?
00:22:55.400 Maybe as high as 12.
00:22:56.800 I think nine is what the chairman has said.
00:23:00.560 And, of course, the fundamental question is what did they do to warrant the money?
00:23:05.120 What service did they provide?
00:23:06.480 What expertise did they give?
00:23:07.880 What did they do to get the funds?
00:23:09.940 Well, let's stop how weird this is.
00:23:12.860 So both you and I have been in Congress for a number of years.
00:23:17.460 Do you know anyone else who's making millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist Party?
00:23:20.920 Do you know anyone else whose entire family is on the payroll?
00:23:24.360 I mean, this is weird.
00:23:26.800 It sure seems strange.
00:23:29.620 And then again, were they managing a fund?
00:23:32.200 Were they creating a business?
00:23:34.480 Were they investing a bunch of money?
00:23:35.380 Did they even speak the language of the people they were doing business with?
00:23:37.540 That's what you can't figure out.
00:23:38.660 And you're like, it just seems strange.
00:23:43.740 And then now Senator Grassley, you know, there's a whistleblower that's come to Senator Grassley.
00:23:47.200 We'll see what that brings.
00:23:48.260 But the whistleblower is alleging some pretty serious stuff as well.
00:23:50.880 So tell us about what the whistleblower is alleging.
00:23:52.960 My understanding is the whistleblower went to Senator Grassley.
00:23:55.080 Senator Grassley and Chairman Comer sent a letter to the FBI saying a whistleblower has alleged that there's a document that is from a paid informant.
00:24:03.640 The FBI has had some foreign national paid informant who gave information to someone in the FBI that this whistleblower, different individuals.
00:24:11.600 So you got some levels of hearsay.
00:24:13.000 I get it.
00:24:13.560 But this whistleblower has actually, I guess, believes there is this document conveying that that the Biden family was doing certain policy, pushing certain policies and getting getting paid to do that.
00:24:26.520 So I don't know if it's true, but the whistleblower has come forward and believes it is.
00:24:30.900 And we'll just have to wait and see.
00:24:32.120 They wrote the FBI.
00:24:33.600 The FBI is due to give an answer today.
00:24:35.760 And we'll see what comes back from the FBI.
00:24:37.900 I want to ask you about, you know, we now have real questions about what was going on at the CIA, clearly from this breaking news that you brought to us.
00:24:46.480 But the second part of this is there's a lot of Americans that have zero faith in the FBI now.
00:24:52.320 And the reason why is they had the laptop, we know, for a very long time before this story even broke.
00:24:57.520 Tony Bobulinski, it took him going public to finally get a meeting with them.
00:25:02.080 He gets a meeting with a guy at the FBI, tells him everything.
00:25:04.900 No one ever follows up with him.
00:25:06.840 When you start investigating this, how worried were you that the FBI didn't do their job in investigating this?
00:25:13.780 Instead, actually, we were told, try to label it as disinformation so no one could even see the intel they had at the FBI.
00:25:21.580 Yeah, we're very concerned about a number of federal agencies.
00:25:25.400 But I will tell you, relative to the Justice Department and the FBI, we have had a, well, I think upwards of 22 dozen whistleblowers who've come talk to us.
00:25:35.600 We've interviewed six, and we're going to have some of them testify.
00:25:38.700 And they talk about a number of things, but largely it's the double standard, one set of rules for the politically connected, a different set if you're conservative.
00:25:46.340 They talk about the pressure to categorize cases as domestic violent extremism cases and how they dealt with the January 6th issue.
00:25:54.960 So we, I think it could be as early as next week, but we're looking to have several of those that we've had interviews with, those whistleblowers from the FBI testify and tell their story.
00:26:06.760 And they're going to talk about some of the things you raised, Ben.
00:26:10.120 I think that could be a good hearing.
00:26:11.640 Now that the Democrats are going to go after them, they've tried to leak information.
00:26:14.040 They've had to pull back on some of the information they gave to the press.
00:26:16.780 Some of these presses had to correct their stories because Democrats gave them false.
00:26:21.660 But we think these whistleblowers have been retaliated against because they were willing to come forward.
00:26:26.160 Many of them lost their security clearance, which, as you know, is the first thing they do to you if they retaliate, they take your security clearance.
00:26:33.780 We think, but we think they're going to be good witnesses when we have them come in next week.
00:26:37.300 Well, and let's do a deeper dive on that topic in part two, which will be coming out on Friday.
00:26:43.220 Okay. Explain to me what you're focused on versus what Chairman Comer is focused on and how you two are working together because you're both driving different aspects of this investigation.
00:26:53.680 Yeah, he is focused on the Biden family business operation, the suspicious activity reports.
00:27:02.160 That is totally Chairman Comer and the Oversight Committee.
00:27:04.980 What we're doing in the Judiciary Committee is looking at this attack on the First Amendment, the Twitter files, the censorship industrial complex that Mr. Taibbi, Mr. Schellenberger, and then a host of other agencies that we think have been turned on the American people.
00:27:19.960 You and I are working on the FTC.
00:27:21.440 We know what the FTC did to Twitter.
00:27:22.840 Yep.
00:27:23.660 Thirteen letters, must buys Twitter, thirteen letters harassing them.
00:27:27.880 First letter after the first Twitter file comes out, first question in that letter is, who are the journalists you're talking to?
00:27:35.700 They named four personally.
00:27:37.560 Two of them, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger, just happened to be testifying the day after we learned that that's what was going on at Twitter.
00:27:43.800 And Taibbi gets raided by the IRS the day of his testimony.
00:27:48.080 The day they're testifying in the committee, Democrats are asking them, who are your sources?
00:27:54.580 Someone needs to give the Democrats a lesson on, a lecture on, you know, how the First Amendment works in this great country.
00:28:00.180 While they're asking them those kind of questions, trying to get them to divulge their sources, as you point out, Senator, the IRS was knocking on Matt Taibbi's door in his home in New Jersey.
00:28:10.080 Have you ever seen that before?
00:28:11.200 Have you ever seen the IRS go after a witness simultaneously with their testifying about wrongdoing from the federal government?
00:28:20.900 Never seen it.
00:28:21.740 And everyone, it's funny, I'm sure the same things happen to you.
00:28:24.960 Anyone I tell that story to, no one thinks it's chance.
00:28:28.200 No one thinks it's a coincidence.
00:28:30.280 Everybody says that's intimidation.
00:28:32.180 So that's what they were doing. 1.00
00:28:32.840 Let me ask you, are these guys dumb or are they that arrogant? 1.00
00:28:38.580 Like, it actually would have been easy to wait a week and then rate it. 1.00
00:28:42.100 But like, to do it the day he's testifying, it shows you don't care.
00:28:46.540 You don't care if you're caught.
00:28:47.700 You're not trying to hide it.
00:28:48.660 It's what you were expecting Russia or China. 0.79
00:28:50.360 Yeah, it seems like it's just, we can.
00:28:53.900 We're doing it because we can.
00:28:55.100 That's what it seems like.
00:28:56.000 Now, I guess there's a chance it's chance.
00:28:59.640 It's, you know, it's just coincidence.
00:29:01.720 But it sure doesn't seem that way.
00:29:03.380 And it seems to me like we're doing it because we can, which is particularly frightening.
00:29:08.160 When you think about the power of the federal government, the power of that agency, I mean, everyone fears the IRS.
00:29:13.280 The IRS, you think what they can do?
00:29:15.320 And now they've got 87,000 more agents that we're trying to get rid of.
00:29:18.420 So, yeah, that's a big concern.
00:29:21.040 As we wrap up part one, I do want to ask you one question.
00:29:24.880 And it goes back to the big lie where I think all this started.
00:29:28.320 Joe Biden has said over and over again, and Senator and I have talked about this a lot on Verdict.
00:29:32.380 He says, I never talked to my son about any of his business dealings.
00:29:36.740 And that was kind of the principle of the campaign, into the presidency, into the White House.
00:29:41.500 And it was, I don't have to talk about this because we never talked about it.
00:29:44.820 Have you seen from your investigation anything that you could say, I can tell you that you had to talk to your son about this based on the evidence that we've seen?
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00:30:58.940 Congressman, I go back to him saying that I never talked to my son, never talked about his business dealings.
00:31:05.480 He flew a lot on Air Force Two with him.
00:31:07.760 He did a lot of deals with him.
00:31:09.640 I think there are some concerns there.
00:31:11.180 I think also that the president said that his son had no business dealings with China.
00:31:17.880 I think that's not accurate.
00:31:20.800 I think that's the case.
00:31:21.640 This company, CEFC.
00:31:22.560 So I do think the president said, made that statement.
00:31:27.100 That does not look like it's accurate in my estimation.
00:31:30.360 And I think Chairman Comer would say that as well.
00:31:34.140 And I think Chairman Comer is going to actually talk about that at the press conference later today.
00:31:37.120 So, yeah, they said one thing and it looks to me like it's not exactly accurate.
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