Verdict with Ted Cruz - Into the Lion's Den-Debating School Choice, Abortion, Second Amendment & Border Crisis with Austin Liberals

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

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00:00:05.460 Senator, nice to be with you in person.

00:00:07.240 I love it when we get to do this once a week.

00:00:09.000 You had a very interesting weekend.

00:00:11.440 And I think this conversation, what people are about to see,

00:00:13.880 is very foreshadowing of the presidential election

00:00:16.800 and the conversation that many Americans are going to be having.

00:00:19.600 There's this thing called TripFest down in Austin.

00:00:22.500 It's a bunch of lefties in a room, a bunch of young people.

00:00:25.760 I love when I get to watch you do these things

00:00:28.260 because I know how much you enjoy it.

00:00:30.400 But there was real dialogue and a real conversation

00:00:33.020 that's important for the country.

00:00:34.920 And one of the things about this was you got to talk about issues

00:00:37.880 like school choice, which was incredible.

00:00:40.560 Well, that's right.

00:00:41.260 So on Saturday, I was up in Austin.

00:00:43.100 And the event, TripFest, they do every year.

00:00:45.340 It's hosted by the Texas Tribune,

00:00:47.260 which is a Texas political and news organization.

00:00:50.880 And they have lots of different elected officials.

00:00:53.500 They have predominantly Democrats.

00:00:55.120 They get media.

00:00:56.020 They get reporters from all over the country.

00:00:58.080 National media comes down.

00:01:00.140 They've had Hillary Clinton down there. 1.00

00:01:01.780 They had Joe Manchin this year.

00:01:04.520 They bring in – it's sort of a nickname

00:01:08.120 that the weekend has is LibFest instead of TribFest.

00:01:12.660 Accurate.

00:01:13.140 It skews heavily left.

00:01:16.000 And most of the attendees are either left-wing reporters

00:01:20.720 or they're UT students who lean heavily left.

00:01:24.500 And so this event was an hour long

00:01:27.040 where I'm up on stage being interviewed by a reporter,

00:01:31.480 Patrick Svitek, who's their political reporter.

00:01:34.380 Very smart, capable guy.

00:01:36.520 I know Patrick well.

00:01:37.720 And so he interviewed me for 45 minutes

00:01:40.980 and then the audience had 15 minutes of questions.

00:01:43.200 And as I said, I've done it year after year after year.

00:01:47.060 And the crowd are always these, like, woke lefties from UT.

00:01:53.180 That know everything.

00:01:54.060 Who are frankly horrified to see someone right of center.

00:01:59.500 But it gives you a chance.

00:02:01.840 And actually, while I was there, I took the point of thanking them,

00:02:05.240 the folks who were booing me, to say,

00:02:08.900 hey, listen, thank you for coming.

00:02:10.640 Yeah.

00:02:11.620 You know, I talked about at the outset

00:02:13.320 how we don't talk to each other enough,

00:02:14.900 how we do too much screaming and yelling

00:02:17.420 and the right talks to the right and the left talks to the left.

00:02:20.280 And in fact, I told them, I said, all right,

00:02:21.820 it'll kill you to do this, but subscribe to the podcast.

00:02:24.800 You ought to actually listen to a view

00:02:26.780 that you don't ordinarily hear.

00:02:29.360 But it was a good chance to talk about a lot of issues.

00:02:34.440 And here's the first where I brought up school choice

00:02:38.100 and they all had their minds made up to begin with.

00:02:40.300 But here's the exchange.

00:02:42.060 I think this year is the best opportunity of your and my lifetime

00:02:46.640 for the state legislature to pass a real and serious school choice program

00:02:51.420 to provide every child in Texas with hope and access to an excellent education.

00:03:00.340 Texas, unfortunately, lags behind on school choice.

00:03:04.300 I am a passionate defender of school choice.

00:03:06.940 I've spent 30 years fighting for school choice.

00:03:09.260 I think it is the civil rights issue of the 21st century.

00:03:12.580 And, you know, people who've gotten a good education can laugh at that.

00:03:18.160 But, you know, it's interesting if you go into the inner cities

00:03:20.200 and you ask African-American parents, you ask Hispanic parents,

00:03:23.260 do they support school choice?

00:03:24.760 60, 70, 80 percent of them support it.

00:03:27.220 So I get in Austin, when folks have money and they feel quite comfortable,

00:03:32.040 that they can oppose choice.

00:03:33.520 But my view is don't trap kids.

00:03:36.740 I got to say, I really do believe school choice is an issue that is changing.

00:03:42.840 And I think a lot of it is because of COVID.

00:03:44.600 But especially among African-American, Hispanic-Americans, single mothers,

00:03:49.120 they want their kids out of these failing schools

00:03:51.700 and they see the damage that these teachers are doing to their kids' future.

00:03:54.340 And they saw it at home during the time of COVID.

00:03:57.400 The lid came off.

00:03:58.560 I don't think you can put this genie back in this bottle.

00:04:00.620 Look, I agree.

00:04:01.720 I think the momentum behind choice is massive.

00:04:04.380 You're seeing growing numbers.

00:04:06.200 You're seeing state after state after state across the country passing school choice programs.

00:04:11.340 For me, it's been an issue that it's been a 30-year passion.

00:04:14.480 I think it is the single most important domestic issue in this country.

00:04:18.920 Education is the gateway.

00:04:21.200 It's antecedent to every other social problem.

00:04:23.360 So you think about it.

00:04:24.480 Whether you're dealing with poverty or crime or health care issues or substance abuse,

00:04:30.420 if kids get an education, many of those problems largely take care of themselves.

00:04:37.380 On the other hand, if kids don't get a good education, if they drop out, if they don't learn to read and write,

00:04:43.680 we know that those problems, crime and poverty and health care issues and substance abuse issues,

00:04:49.560 they follow like night follows day.

00:04:52.180 And so allowing kids to be trapped in failing schools is consigning them to be shut out of the American dream.

00:05:01.000 And, you know, there are a lot of issues in public life.

00:05:05.240 You take an issue like affirmative action.

00:05:07.360 You take an issue like abortion.

00:05:08.600 Yeah.

00:05:10.300 Where people of good faith can disagree.

00:05:13.480 You and I have strong views on both of those topics.

00:05:15.980 But I understand the people who disagree with us.

00:05:18.560 I understand how someone can look at that same issue and come to a different conclusion.

00:05:23.320 And there are real arguments on both sides of that issue.

00:05:27.240 School choice is the only issue I know of in public policy on which there is literally not a good argument on the other side.

00:05:34.160 The only argument is one of venal self-interest.

00:05:38.600 The only argument is the teachers' unions.

00:05:40.600 Bingo.

00:05:40.960 Who, for whom Democrat politicians are bought and paid for, and they view it as maintaining power.

00:05:50.040 Because, look, a point I make all the time, the rich and middle class have always had school choice.

00:05:54.760 Yeah.

00:05:55.020 If you're in a wealthy jurisdiction, an example I use, let's say you live in Bethesda, Maryland.

00:06:01.060 All right.

00:06:01.260 So Bethesda, Maryland is a very nice, rich, she-she neighborhood outside of Washington. 1.00

00:06:07.180 If the Bethesda public schools had a 50% dropout rate, if among those kids who remained in school, only 30% graduated reading at grade level.

00:06:21.300 If you had drug dealers roaming the hallways and you had little girls getting sexually assaulted in the bathrooms, the Bethesda public schools would be empty. 0.99

00:06:31.780 Why?

00:06:32.780 Because the parents there have money.

00:06:34.360 Yeah.

00:06:34.560 And so they would do one of two things.

00:06:36.460 They would either move.

00:06:37.680 They'd move to another home in a different district that had a better public school.

00:06:41.780 Or, because they have the resources, they would pay tuition to send their kid to a private school.

00:06:46.520 But they would not send their child to a school that was failing.

00:06:49.840 What happens is low-income parents, often in the inner city, are trapped.

00:06:55.500 They're facing schools exactly what I just described.

00:06:58.340 But if they're not rich, they don't have the option to change it.

00:07:01.340 And you see Democrats who are blocking children, and it is predominantly African American and Hispanic children in inner cities who are trapped in these failing schools.

00:07:12.620 And by the way, the Democrats like to consider themselves the champions for the minority community and on the single most important civil rights issue in the country, which is giving those kids a chance at the American dream.

00:07:26.460 The Democrats are adamantly opposed.

00:07:29.200 And you listen to all of those left-wingers at UT laughing.

00:07:33.520 Oh, how funny, little children that can't get an education.

00:07:36.820 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:07:38.060 And there's an arrogance on the left that I think is really disturbing.

00:07:43.400 What is your advice for those that are running in this presidential election on this issue?

00:07:49.960 Because when I worked in the Bush campaign in 2004, this was a third rail issue. 0.91

00:07:54.460 It was a do-not-touch issue.

00:07:56.080 It was leave it alone.

00:07:58.020 It was don't talk.

00:07:58.800 Okay, that's fascinating.

00:07:59.380 It was a grand debate.

00:08:00.940 It was two debates that we had on that campaign.

00:08:02.780 Social security reform, don't talk about it until after we win.

00:08:05.180 And then the second one was school choice and school vouchers.

00:08:07.920 It was like, we don't go there.

00:08:09.000 That's third rail.

00:08:09.820 And I remember fighting, going, this is something we should take to the people.

00:08:13.180 Because people that are stuck in failing schools, I was from Memphis, had a different perspective.

00:08:18.000 Majority of schools there, public schools, are failing schools year after year.

00:08:21.480 They're failing schools like this.

00:08:23.020 You guys don't understand.

00:08:24.160 If you take this idea to the community that has it and needs it, they will side with you.

00:08:29.440 You just have to explain it.

00:08:31.120 Are we winning now where this is no longer that fear of that third rail?

00:08:34.820 Don't touch it.

00:08:35.580 Don't mention it. 0.75

00:08:36.720 Democrats will beat you over the head with it.

00:08:38.320 So I've got to say, you and I have never talked about this topic before, so I didn't know that story.

00:08:43.720 You were on the 2004 Bush-Cheney reelect.

00:08:47.620 I was on the 2000 campaign, the first Bush-Cheney campaign.

00:08:52.020 And my job was domestic policy advisor.

00:08:54.260 I was 28, 29 years old.

00:08:56.380 I was a young lawyer.

00:08:57.600 And I essentially covered any issue that touched on law.

00:09:01.320 And so education and school choice was not in my portfolio.

00:09:04.660 But I cared about it passionately.

00:09:06.880 And so on the 2000 campaign, I actually wrote a memo.

00:09:10.520 I wrote a memo to Karl Rove and Josh Bolton and all the senior people on the campaign arguing that George W. Bush should have come out and promised scholarships for one million kids across the country to go to any school of their choice.

00:09:24.740 Lean in and own school choice.

00:09:26.840 And I put the polling data.

00:09:28.520 I put the polling data that showed that African Americans and Hispanics, even back then, that was 23 years ago, were consistently 60, 70, 80 percent in support of school choice.

00:09:38.840 They also, at the time, ranked education as their number one issue, as did white parents.

00:09:45.660 But black parents and Hispanic parents, they all put education as their top issue in 99 and 2000.

00:09:51.840 And I said, look, you've got the issue that is the top issue for minority parents.

00:09:56.620 They have an overwhelming view.

00:09:58.120 And the Democrat Party is bought and paid for by the teachers' union.

00:10:00.700 So they are adamantly fighting them.

00:10:02.880 And then I ran a series of electoral hypotheticals.

00:10:07.240 Sadly, I knew I was not going to persuade the campaign on the merits.

00:10:11.320 We should have.

00:10:12.560 But I didn't even bother to make that argument.

00:10:15.020 I just tried to make a simple political argument.

00:10:16.920 I ran the numbers looking at the last three presidential races.

00:10:21.440 And I ran a couple of hypotheticals.

00:10:23.460 I said, what would have happened if the Republican nominee got 5 percent more, 10 percent more, or 15 percent more of the black and Hispanic vote?

00:10:33.760 So I didn't assume suddenly you get 50 percent more.

00:10:37.040 Sure.

00:10:37.460 But what if you moved in a little bit?

00:10:38.720 I ran three reasonable scenarios, 5 percent more, 10 and 15.

00:10:43.200 The one that really stood out to my mind was 1996, Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton.

00:10:49.420 If Bob Dole had gotten 15 percent more of the black and Hispanic vote, he would have won an additional 96 electoral votes.

00:10:59.920 Wow.

00:11:00.380 It was stunning.

00:11:01.760 And I still remember that debate when Bob Dole was asked about education and his answer.

00:11:06.500 He said the word school choice, but they were so painful.

00:11:10.460 I remember screaming at the television.

00:11:13.480 I was so mad at this old man who knew nothing about choice and didn't care about it and was reading a talking point that he didn't give a flip about.

00:11:22.740 And it was horrible.

00:11:25.000 Well, this memo that I submitted, it got filed in the circular file because the education advisers on that campaign very much were sympathetic to the blob, to the teachers unions and the education bureaucracy.

00:11:39.560 And so I was never able to get them to embrace choice.

00:11:43.740 And actually, the memo I wrote was co-signed.

00:11:47.720 I wrote it.

00:11:48.860 But I asked the chief economic advisor who was on the policy staff.

00:11:52.460 He signed it.

00:11:53.500 I asked the chief education advisor who was on the policy staff.

00:11:56.960 She signed it.

00:11:57.840 Wow.

00:11:57.960 I asked the chief advisor on kind of urban and inner city issues.

00:12:02.340 He signed it.

00:12:03.340 And frankly, I could have gotten every single policy staffer, there were about a dozen of us, to sign it if I had asked them, I think.

00:12:10.240 But I didn't want – I thought that was sort of piling on.

00:12:13.380 Yeah.

00:12:14.080 And to get – but the difference was we were all 20-something or 30-something.

00:12:19.160 And for the 20-somethings and 30-somethings, we saw it as massively important.

00:12:23.800 The senior people on the campaign were 40-somethings and 50-somethings, and they were not interested in taking it on.

00:12:30.560 Don't go there.

00:12:31.000 And they didn't.

00:12:31.840 Yeah.

00:12:32.140 Same thing in 2004.

00:12:32.980 It was don't go there.

00:12:34.080 Great idea.

00:12:34.700 Great idea, young guys.

00:12:36.160 And we're not going to do it.

00:12:37.600 We don't touch it.

00:12:38.800 And I think it's interesting now in this cycle how this could change the Republican Party for the better for decades to come.

00:12:46.920 So, Ben, something I told Heidi before I first ran for Senate in 2012, I said if when I am dead and buried, my tombstone says Ted played a meaningful part in bringing about school choice to every child in Texas and every child in America, I said I will die a happy man.

00:13:06.300 I mean, it is difficult to think of a more meaningful and powerful legacy than giving kids hope and opportunity and a real chance to achieve a better life for themselves and their kids and the future.

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00:14:28.360 You also talked about something else that was really important at this event, and that was the Second Amendment.

00:14:38.240 The Second Amendment is an issue that some don't like to touch.

00:14:41.960 I love that you love to talk about it because it's something you care about and you're willing to have a grand debate.

00:14:46.880 And it got a little feisty, especially with the audience.

00:14:49.820 I want people to see what you had to say.

00:14:51.020 This is the basic divide.

00:14:53.180 Every time there's a mass shooting, you see elected Democrats, their approach is they want to take away the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.

00:15:03.600 Now, see, this is what I mean.

00:15:05.200 We just yell at each other.

00:15:06.520 This is not that there is zero evidence that doing so protects any lives.

00:15:17.000 And, in fact, if you look nationally, if you look at the jurisdictions with the strictest gun control laws, almost without exception, they have among the highest murder rates and among the highest crime rates.

00:15:28.960 The city of Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country, and it consistently has horrible murder rates.

00:15:35.440 Because what happens if you pass a law that disarms law-abiding citizens, law-abiding citizens, by definition, they follow the law.

00:15:45.300 The criminals don't.

00:15:47.300 And so what ends up happening is the criminals target the law-abiding citizens.

00:15:52.240 So your question, there are proposals that say, listen, we want to raise the age to buy a firearm to age 21.

00:15:58.720 Well, you know what?

00:15:59.360 I think that a 19- or 20-year-old single mom living in the inner city in Houston or Dallas, going to work in a dangerous neighborhood, has a right to protect herself.

00:16:08.780 Has a right under the Second Amendment to protect herself from someone who would commit violence against her.

00:16:15.820 And I'll give a stat.

00:16:17.020 Again, look, this is an audience who I think has their mind made up and doesn't want to hear actual data.

00:16:22.740 But let me give you data from a source that I suspect you would agree with, the Obama White House.

00:16:29.320 You're going to agree that's not a right-wing source?

00:16:31.060 Here's what the Obama White House put out.

00:16:34.060 They said every year firearms are used defensively to stop a crime, to stop a murder, to stop a rape, between 500,000 and a million times a year, every year in the United States of America.

00:16:47.540 That is a very simple reality.

00:16:50.120 And so when you disarm people, when you take that 19-year-old single mom and you say you can no longer defend yourself, the data show you see crime rates go up, you see murder rates go up, you see sexual assault rates go up. 0.58

00:17:07.420 And if you want to stop those crimes, and listen, I believe the people here want to stop those crimes, but if you want to stop them, you should look to the data of what actually works.

00:17:17.820 And what works is putting the criminals in jail.

00:17:21.080 And I'll point out.

00:17:21.940 Senator, we've got to move on to the next question.

00:17:23.260 But hold on a second.

00:17:23.940 Make it brief.

00:17:24.380 This is deeply connected.

00:17:25.840 Just make it brief, please.

00:17:26.700 This is deeply connected with the policies Democrats have championed defunding the police and also George Soros prosecutors who release violent criminals.

00:17:37.380 Because the same people who are all worked up about gun control are also, by and large, supporting releasing criminals from jail.

00:17:45.500 And we see that pattern over and over and over again.

00:17:48.980 And when it happens, so I've sat down with Texas police chiefs who said to me, we know who the trigger pullers are, we know who the criminals are, we want to arrest them, and we can't because they keep getting let go and they keep committing more murders.

00:18:05.300 If you want to stop crime, go after the criminals, not law-abiding citizens.

00:18:09.900 Let's talk about another big issue.

00:18:14.380 We've got to move on.

00:18:15.960 You're making too much sense over here, Senator.

00:18:17.760 We've got to let's move on.

00:18:18.840 We heard your answer.

00:18:20.140 I can't believe that the audience couldn't even clap at a basic idea that a single mother who's 19 in the inner city should be able to defend herself against someone bringing in her home, trying to kill or rape or whatever it may be.

00:18:30.120 Not a clap in the room.

00:18:32.320 Now, look, rich liberals, like school choice, if you're a rich liberal, you live in a neighborhood where they haven't abolished the police.

00:18:41.760 You've got lots of police officers protecting your home.

00:18:44.180 Yeah.

00:18:44.460 You know, actually, if you're wealthy enough, the Second Amendment is not necessarily life or death because you're able to outsource protection.

00:18:53.960 You're able to live in an environment where you're not living next door to a crack house in all likelihood.

00:18:58.820 If you're low income, if you're in the inner city, if you're a single mom, you're facing the very real prospect of if you're taking the subway at home at night or the bus at home at night at being robbed at gunpoint, at being assaulted.

00:19:15.560 And you often don't have a choice.

00:19:19.920 You don't have another option.

00:19:22.260 You can't move to a safer place where the criminals are not next to you.

00:19:25.560 And liberals talk about compassion enormously.

00:19:30.640 But when you actually point out that the people who are hurt by their policies are the most vulnerable, they get very angry.

00:19:37.280 They do not like you're not allowed to defend an African-American single mom in the inner city because they're in charge of her. 0.98

00:19:44.840 And damn it, if they disarm her and she gets killed, it was good for it. 0.98

00:19:48.420 It made them feel good to disarm her, even though they also championed the policy that released the murderer who killed her. 0.99

00:19:59.980 They take no responsibility.

00:20:01.840 You heard the crowd howling when I brought up George Soros prosecutors.

00:20:06.040 So they all support.

00:20:07.020 They all contribute.

00:20:07.980 They laugh.

00:20:08.420 They act like you're making it up.

00:20:09.840 The data shows that you're not.

00:20:11.720 The numbers are staggering.

00:20:13.460 George Soros has spent literally millions of dollars electing DAs who let violent criminals out of jail over and over and over again.

00:20:21.620 And they commit crimes over and over and over again.

00:20:24.460 But you know what?

00:20:25.360 They generally don't commit crimes against rich people living in rich white liberal neighborhoods where they say, oh, I feel so good emptying the prisons.

00:20:33.580 Isn't that nice?

00:20:34.840 No, it's the inner cities.

00:20:36.260 It's the people and it's predominantly African-Americans and Hispanics whose lives are lost.

00:20:41.100 All the people with the yard signs out front of their house that say Black Lives Matter apparently don't really give a damn about black lives because when you point out that more African-Americans are being murdered because of the left-wing policies they support undermining police officers and letting violent criminals go, they react like that crowd.

00:20:59.820 They boo you. 0.94

00:21:01.000 They don't want to hear it.

00:21:02.500 Just two weeks ago, there was an African-American young woman. 1.00

00:21:04.520 There was a Soros DA elected because Soros backed him and gave him the money and she was shot.

00:21:10.480 It was four or five times by her ex.

00:21:14.600 She was in surgery in critical condition and the man who they caught who shot her had already gotten out of jail because of an activist Soros DA who said bail reform.

00:21:26.420 Oh, I can't keep you here.

00:21:27.500 You don't have a lot of money.

00:21:28.520 He was out free in the city while that woman was still in surgery fighting for her life and that's the Soros DA and they laugh about that.

00:21:36.640 It's amazing.

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00:21:54.020 There's also another issue that it's interesting to see how abortion plays in election cycles.

00:22:14.140 There seems to be a real taste for revenge right now from Democrats because of the overturning of Roe v. Wade and it going back to the states.

00:22:21.520 There seems to be a, this is a presidential election year issue.

00:22:25.700 They want it to be inspiring for women and feminists and angry people on the left to come out and get revenge because they say, how dare Republicans protect the life of the unborn? 0.92

00:22:36.840 You talked about some of the ways they're trying to get back Roe v. Wade and try to put back these laws into place.

00:22:42.580 And that also had a very interesting reaction from the crowd.

00:22:45.100 Take a look.

00:22:45.580 So twice the Democrats have taken up a bill.

00:22:49.620 And it's a bill they said was to recodify Roe.

00:22:53.360 I get it.

00:22:54.060 You're saying it's not plausible politically right now.

00:22:56.120 But let me go a little further.

00:22:58.080 So the Democrats said the bill was to codify Roe.

00:23:01.480 And what's interesting, that actually is poll tested.

00:23:04.360 That polls pretty well.

00:23:05.740 But it is not, in fact, what the bill would do.

00:23:08.920 The bill that was voted on in the Senate is a bill that would effectively strike down every single state restriction on abortion.

00:23:17.260 So it would legalize abortion up until the moment of birth.

00:23:21.940 It would legalize partial birth abortion. 0.66

00:23:24.100 Democrats dispute that, obviously.

00:23:25.580 It would strike down parental notification and parental consent.

00:23:31.200 Point taken, though.

00:23:31.960 You're saying that it would not be politically possible.

00:23:32.500 But I want to say something that's important to understand.

00:23:35.460 If you look at national polling, that view is an extreme and radical view.

00:23:41.760 Nine percent of Americans agree with that view.

00:23:44.480 And every single Senate Democrat voted for that view.

00:23:48.200 And so the position of Washington Democrats is wildly out of step with where the American people are.

00:23:54.960 I mean, Senator, you listen to the stats.

00:23:58.160 You listen to what you said.

00:23:59.160 He doesn't want to hear it.

00:24:00.280 The audience doesn't want to hear it.

00:24:01.820 And they don't want to hear what's actually in the bill that you just described because it doesn't fit their narrative, even though it's not the truth.

00:24:08.440 They just yell, it's not true.

00:24:09.960 No, no, no, it's not true.

00:24:12.060 Yet it is the view over and over again of elected Democrats.

00:24:15.680 And they hate when you point it out.

00:24:17.240 Reporters hate when you point it out.

00:24:18.980 Activists hate when you point it out.

00:24:20.560 Because Republicans are supposed to be on the defensive.

00:24:22.680 They're supposed to run away and not be willing to discuss the issue.

00:24:26.700 And what I said earlier at TripFest, I said, listen, abortion, people disagree.

00:24:32.140 People disagree strongly.

00:24:33.460 And the Supreme Court was right in overturning Rome and leaving the issue to the democratically elected legislature so that we can have the answer to that question about what the rules should be decided by the Democrat process.

00:24:48.560 It's not by nine unelected lawyers in black robes.

00:24:54.520 And, again, left-wing activists don't like to hear it.

00:24:58.500 They want to decree their view and force it on people, whether they like it or not, because they've got a real problem with democracy.

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00:26:46.560 You've spoken at this event several years in a row.

00:26:50.080 I wanted to get your take because I wanted to see what the audience was going to do.

00:26:53.480 I was really intrigued as I was watching this online as you were there.

00:26:55.900 It was the audience going to change on the issue of immigration reform and border security.

00:27:01.300 Because the onslaught of illegal immigrants coming across the border into Texas and what is happening around the country, seeing this debate change very quickly with Democrats like Mayor Adams and the governor of New York and others.

00:27:13.060 Did the audience change in Austin, though?

00:27:15.080 Because it's – go outside.

00:27:17.940 Go anywhere in Texas.

00:27:19.180 You can see the difference in how the state's changing because of so many illegal immigrants coming across the border.

00:27:24.400 Were they willing to have a different dialogue this year?

00:27:26.720 Not remotely.

00:27:27.980 Unfortunately, left-wing college students live in an ivory tower.

00:27:30.780 These are the same college students that think school choice, there's no need for it, that think the Second Amendment is unnecessary and we should disarm people that want to see unlimited abortion on demand because they're being indoctrinated.

00:27:42.000 Look, they're 19, 20-year-olds who are being indoctrinated.

00:27:45.080 So on immigration, their only view as open borders is mandated by justice.

00:27:50.480 And so they don't want to hear the people who are hurt.

00:27:53.600 They don't want to hear the suffering.

00:27:54.800 They don't want to hear the death that comes from open borders because it's inconsistent with their political narrative.

00:27:59.420 Take a look at this video.

00:28:00.800 It's interesting.

00:28:02.040 And it's a problem that is man-made.

00:28:05.040 This is one of the important things to say.

00:28:06.940 So if you look at press talking points, one of the talking points that you see from the White House is, well, the border is just not solvable.

00:28:14.420 The problem with that is that is objectively false.

00:28:17.760 When Joe Biden came into office, he inherited the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years.

00:28:24.700 And this crisis was caused by three specific decisions.

00:28:30.480 Number one, it was caused the first week in office, Biden immediately halted construction of the border wall.

00:28:38.120 Number two, he reinstated the failed policy of catch and release so that when people are apprehended, they're given a court date.

00:28:45.560 Sometime in the future, they're let go.

00:28:47.620 And the vast majority of them are never seen again.

00:28:49.700 And number three, he pulled out of the incredibly successful Remain in Mexico agreement.

00:28:56.320 Now, what was Remain in Mexico?

00:28:57.880 Remain in Mexico was an international agreement the United States negotiated with Mexico that said that when people cross illegally into Mexico, typically from Central or South America, that they would remain in Mexico while their U.S. asylum case was proceeding.

00:29:13.920 And it worked. It worked incredibly well, so much so that we saw the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years.

00:29:23.160 Biden came in his first week in office.

00:29:25.320 He ripped that agreement to shreds.

00:29:27.600 And we right now have the highest rate ever recorded.

00:29:32.220 7.2 million people have crossed illegally since Biden became president.

00:29:37.700 And it is utterly indefensible.

00:29:40.020 I want to move on to one or two topics before we go to audience questions here.

00:29:45.620 Let's just think about how silent he was.

00:29:48.700 It's like, let's move on again, right?

00:29:50.300 Don't want to talk about the facts.

00:29:52.220 And if you look at the numbers, since Joe Biden took office, you have 7.5 million illegal immigrants that have crossed the border, including 1.5 million gotaways who escaped border patrol and vanished into the country.

00:30:04.600 In Friday, there was a dump of new data.

00:30:07.800 The Biden administration announced 232,972 illegal immigrants were encountered at the southern border in August.

00:30:17.100 That's the 30th straight month, Senator, of the worst border crisis in history.

00:30:22.440 And the highest total for that month in Department of Homeland Security history.

00:30:27.400 That is how bad it is.

00:30:28.640 And if you take a look at the graph that was released on Friday by the border patrol, custom border, this is what it looks like.

00:30:34.720 And I want to get your reaction to it.

00:30:36.460 Now, this is just the encounters.

00:30:38.340 And you can explain the difference for people between encounters and gotaways.

00:30:41.780 So encounters are where border patrol agents actually encounter someone.

00:30:45.420 They stop someone.

00:30:46.140 They turn them in.

00:30:47.480 A gotaway is they see someone and they take off.

00:30:49.980 So they don't actually apprehend them.

00:30:52.420 But they know that they are there.

00:30:54.300 They just got away.

00:30:55.540 And let's go back to this chart.

00:30:57.200 Because I want to walk it through.

00:31:00.160 So if you look at the August numbers.

00:31:03.120 All right.

00:31:03.400 August of 2020, there were 40,929 encounters.

00:31:08.020 That's a lot, although it was the lowest in 45 years.

00:31:11.100 One year later, August of 2021, it goes from 40,000 to 213,593.

00:31:17.940 So August of 2020, there were 50,014 encounters.

00:31:23.620 Now, that's a lot.

00:31:24.900 But 2020 was the lowest rate of illegal immigration in 45 years.

00:31:28.280 Who was the president then?

00:31:29.240 That would be Donald Trump.

00:31:30.380 Just making sure everybody knows that.

00:31:31.860 So 50,000 in 2020.

00:31:33.500 One year later, August of 2021, 209,840.

00:31:39.920 So it's increased 400%.

00:31:42.320 First year Biden's in office.

00:31:44.160 August of 2022, 204,087.

00:31:51.320 So it stays up 4x where it was under Trump.

00:31:55.680 And how about August of 2023?

00:31:57.680 They just released the numbers.

00:32:00.840 232,972.

00:32:04.320 It's nearly 500% where it was in August of 2020.

00:32:10.080 And if you look at this chart, that same ratio is there every single month.

00:32:13.980 October, November, December, January, February, all the way through, you see numbers that are about a quarter of what they are now.

00:32:22.140 A 4x increase, and that's what happens when you have open-border Democrats who empower the cartels and, among other things, make billions of dollars for the cartels in human trafficking and drug trafficking, not concerning themselves with the death and suffering and misery that results from it.

00:32:42.680 There's a civil war in the Democratic Party right now over the immigration issue.

00:32:46.160 We're seeing, you know, Mayor Adams come out, the governor of New York come out, and it's hard to just overlook what's happening at the border.

00:32:54.460 There was an interesting Fox report that I think put it in perspective for people, and I wanted to make sure we played it in the video pod.

00:33:00.680 And many people that are listening to this right now, they're listening on audio only.

00:33:03.700 You can go watch the video that we're about to do on YouTube, all right, because we're doing this one with video and audio.

00:33:08.960 Go look at it because this is something that should go viral and people should see.

00:33:12.340 Take a look at this.

00:33:13.300 I can tell you that early this morning in Eagle Pass, we witnessed one of the largest mass illegal crossings we have ever seen in the last two and a half years of covering our southern border.

00:33:23.540 We'll get right to this video.

00:33:24.780 Take a look at this stunning footage.

00:33:27.300 Border Patrol source is telling us just after midnight about 2,500 migrants crossed illegally into Eagle Pass.

00:33:35.560 You can see this lengthy line of them stretching from shore to shore in the river.

00:33:39.820 This video perspective coming from the Mexican side of the river, and Piedras Negros, one of our contacts over there, shooting this video as they essentially bum-rushed Eagle Pass last night.

00:33:50.380 You saw that, and there was another video that also went viral, and that was a train coming towards America filled with people.

00:33:56.340 And it's like the cartels have figured out, hey, they're not going to stop us.

00:34:00.000 In fact, the more that we send, the more likely it is to be successful.

00:34:04.440 We can just bum-rush the border, and this administration will not stop us.

00:34:08.720 Yeah, let's put these numbers in context.

00:34:12.020 So as we've discussed on the pod before, Mayor Adams in New York has said that New York City is in a crisis.

00:34:19.540 They've had 110,000 illegal immigrants.

00:34:21.860 He says that 110,000 illegal immigrants is destroying New York City. 0.91

00:34:27.180 Now, I want to focus on Eagle Pass, where if you watch that video, you just saw the people crossing.

00:34:32.580 Eagle Pass is a small town on the southern border on the Rio Grande River.

00:34:36.160 It has a population of about 28,000 people, so it's a little town.

00:34:43.120 On one single day last week, more than 4,000 illegal immigrants came into Eagle Pass on one day.

00:34:51.460 Now, 4,000 people in a town of 28,000 people is about 14% of the population.

00:34:58.560 About 14% of the population of the city came illegally into Eagle Pass on one day.

00:35:04.840 What would that be in New York City?

00:35:06.780 New York City has a population of about 9 million people.

00:35:09.900 If 14% of New York City came into New York on one day, that would be 1,260,000 people invading New York on a single day.

00:35:23.000 Mayor Adams says 110,000 people over two and a half years is a crisis destroying the city.

00:35:30.000 Well, how would he feel about 1,260,000 people entering the city on a single day?

00:35:35.640 That's what Eagle Pass saw on one day last week, and you know what? 0.88

00:35:39.220 They saw thousands more the next day and the next day and the next day and the next day, and these Democrats do not give a damn.

00:35:47.000 Border Patrol Union put out a very interesting tweet, and this is what they said as they put this out.

00:35:52.540 It said, from September 1st through the 20th, the Biden administration ordered the release of more than 100,000.

00:35:58.640 It ordered the release of 100,000 legal border crashers, enough to double the population of cities like Yuma, Arizona.

00:36:04.340 Think about what Biden is doing to this country with his out-of-control border policies, how many millions more.

00:36:11.500 That's not, like, exaggeration.

00:36:14.740 When they say Border Patrol Union is saying how many millions more, that's a very accurate statement because there are millions.

00:36:22.020 Look, they're at 7.5 million, and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Chuck Schumer and Alejandro Mayorkas and every Senate Democrat,

00:36:30.100 just about every congressional Democrat, they want 7.5 million to go to 10 million, to go to 12 million, to go to 15 million.

00:36:37.240 They want as many as possible.

00:36:40.780 And by the way, if you don't believe me that they want as many as possible, take a look at the governor of New York, Governor Hochul, back in 2021,

00:36:49.400 so just two years ago, where she is explicitly inviting as many as possible to come to New York.

00:36:55.860 Take a look.

00:36:57.020 So our message to the world is send us your people, send us those who need the cloak of comfort that we can demonstrate as New Yorkers with big hearts and open arms,

00:37:08.040 and we'll provide a safe haven, particularly for these Afghan refugees.

00:37:11.540 We're so proud that are here.

00:37:13.660 We have already 7,500 Afghans living here already, and we expect to have another 1,800 more.

00:37:20.380 And we send a message from day one.

00:37:22.680 We'll take as many as you want to have us have come to New York State because it's a huge point of pride for us.

00:37:27.940 And we'll support them to build a whole new life.

00:37:31.140 Open arms and big hearts in 2021.

00:37:33.740 And she also said, we'll take as many as you want to have come to New York.

00:37:38.620 Please come.

00:37:39.480 So that is the approved talking point of left-wingers.

00:37:44.560 Now fast forward to 2023.

00:37:47.080 Same governor.

00:37:48.600 Here's what she says this year.

00:37:50.400 It certainly will because about 41% of the people in our shelters today are from Venezuela.

00:37:57.120 They're literally from around the world, West Africa, South and Central America.

00:38:02.020 They're coming from all over.

00:38:03.700 But we have to let the word out that when you come to New York, we're not going to have more hotel rooms.

00:38:08.920 We don't have capacity.

00:38:10.120 So we have to also message properly that we're at our limit.

00:38:14.620 If you're going to leave your country, go somewhere else. 1.00

00:38:16.680 But the smarter thing is to apply for asylum before you leave your country.

00:38:20.580 And then you'll have a different experience when you arrive.

00:38:23.040 If you're going to leave your country, Senator, go somewhere else.

00:38:26.060 Now, does that mean you're at the state?

00:38:26.720 We're at our limit.

00:38:27.620 We're at our limit.

00:38:28.740 We have no more hotel rooms for you.

00:38:30.500 And by the way, look at the numbers.

00:38:31.980 So in 2021, she was saying we have 7,500 Afghans and we expect another 1,800 more.

00:38:37.700 Okay.

00:38:38.120 So if they're talking 7,800, 9,000, we're good.

00:38:43.140 110,000. 0.99

00:38:44.220 Oh, crap. 0.96

00:38:44.700 We're at our limit. 0.99

00:38:45.480 We said 1,800.

00:38:46.840 We didn't say 110,000.

00:38:48.720 Well, what do you think about 7,500,000? 0.91

00:38:52.900 The utter hypocrisy.

00:38:54.640 And mind you, you know what name she didn't say? 0.97

00:38:58.520 Joe Biden.

00:38:59.440 Yeah.

00:38:59.680 She didn't say Kamala Harris.

00:39:00.900 She didn't say Chuck Schumer.

00:39:02.920 If New York is at its limit, doesn't New York state have two U.S. senators? 0.69

00:39:08.780 Yeah.

00:39:09.400 Isn't one of them the Senate majority leader, Charles Schumer?

00:39:12.720 Who could do something on this.

00:39:13.740 Who could actually do something about it.

00:39:15.240 Pass legislation or introduce legislation.

00:39:16.680 And not only does he not introduce legislation, he votes against anything to secure the border.

00:39:22.620 He demonizes any effort to secure the border.

00:39:25.300 He embraces the open borders that are destroying New York City.

00:39:29.180 And even the Democrats who are calling it out, they don't dare call out their fellow Democrats.

00:39:35.240 Instead, they blame, as I love, you know, Mayor Adams who said some madman in Texas, Greg Abbott.

00:39:41.100 Yeah.

00:39:41.780 I'm still offended that he wasn't talking about me.

00:39:44.900 But the hypocrisy is massive because New York's Democrat governor is not saying stop, secure the border, stop the invasion.

00:39:55.300 She's saying, please don't send them to New York.

00:39:57.100 Send them to red states. 0.97

00:39:58.280 Make other people deal with them so I can continue to virtue signal.

00:40:02.180 By the way, did you notice also in that press interview, it was a little Stepford Wives that both she and the woman interviewing her wearing the exact same white suit?

00:40:11.160 Yeah.

00:40:11.300 It was just kind of a little freaky look, and I'm not sure what was going on there.

00:40:14.160 I love what everybody asks me about.

00:40:15.960 Do you really believe there's bias in the media?

00:40:17.600 And I'm like, yes, I really do.

00:40:18.880 Like, I love when I'm traveling.

00:40:19.940 You get it, too, all the time.

00:40:21.200 People come up and they kind of want to antagonize.

00:40:23.020 Like, there's not bias in the media.

00:40:24.100 If you were a decent person in the media when she said go somewhere else, any journalist, the initial response would have been, well, governor, where else?

00:40:34.120 What is this somewhere else?

00:40:35.800 Is that another state?

00:40:37.420 Are you telling them to go to another country?

00:40:39.060 There was no follow-up there on CNN at all.

00:40:41.340 No, no, no, no, no, because there's no response to that.

00:40:43.440 Go somewhere else.

00:40:44.400 What they mean, and actually the Biden White House said that, go to Texas.

00:40:47.480 Send them all to Texas because they hate Texas, and they figure if they invade Texas with enough people, they'll flip it blue. 0.90

00:40:56.580 And you know what, if the cities are bankrupted and if people die and if children are assaulted and if they're drug overdoses, all of that is an acceptable price for their partisan political objective.

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00:42:20.200 You mentioned Eagle Pass, and you're starting to see some of these smaller mayors in these smaller towns.

00:42:26.420 They're finally getting some airtime on places like CNN, and they're doing an amazing job telling their story now because they've been bombarded with illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:42:35.360 And, again, you compare it to New York City as you did a moment ago, and it should make you angry.

00:42:40.480 But imagine being a mayor.

00:42:42.460 You're being invaded every 24 hours with 30%, 40%, 56% of your entire population with illegal immigrants who come across, and now they're draining on your economy. 1.00

00:42:53.040 They're not helping your economy.

00:42:54.280 They're draining your economy, and they're begging for help.

00:42:57.460 And look at what he had to say on CNN.

00:42:58.920 This is definitely a very serious situation for the city of Eagle Pass.

00:43:03.180 We're a city of about 28,000 to 30,000 people, and the last couple days we've had in excess of 5,000 people cross from Piedras Negras, Mexico, into Eagle Pass, Texas.

00:43:15.440 It's become a big concern for the community.

00:43:18.140 A lot of people are frustrated.

00:43:20.020 A lot of these people are being let loose in the community, walking around, and it's just a big concern for the city of Eagle Pass.

00:43:26.780 Not only safety-wise, but also our local economy is taking a hit because because of this crisis, we've had to shut down bridge number one, our international bridge.

00:43:37.340 With so many millions of dollars flowed through this bridge, we depend on the tolls of the people that pay those bridge tolls, and it's just an emergency situation.

00:43:46.580 That is why, as mayor for the city of Eagle Pass, I decided to declare a state of emergency for our city because we've never seen this before.

00:43:54.700 This is not normal, and we shouldn't have to be going through a situation like this in the United States or here in Eagle Pass, Texas.

00:44:02.220 No, you shouldn't.

00:44:03.360 No, you shouldn't.

00:44:04.460 By the way, that was on CNN.

00:44:05.880 You just heard Aaron Burnett say, no, you shouldn't.

00:44:09.460 So I want to pull that screen up again.

00:44:11.980 Don't play the video, but just pull the screen up again.

00:44:15.740 I want to ask you, what letter is missing from the screen?

00:44:19.500 It's a trick question.

00:44:20.520 I'm ready.

00:44:20.920 Go ahead.

00:44:21.240 So it says at the bottom, Mayor Rolando Salinas.

00:44:25.500 Oh, the D or the R.

00:44:27.380 And what is he?

00:44:28.440 He's a Democrat.

00:44:29.420 And they didn't put the Democrat on the page.

00:44:30.620 And CNN didn't want to tell you this is a Democrat who's calling what's going on.

00:44:34.380 So miraculously, there's not a little D after his name, which they usually do. 0.99

00:44:39.280 CNN knows how to do that.

00:44:40.500 Yeah, it's always up there.

00:44:41.700 It is always up there until they realize this is counter to the narrative. 0.99

00:44:45.740 You've got an Hispanic Democrat, holy crap, in South Texas saying this is an emergency. 0.99

00:44:51.960 This is not normal. 1.00

00:44:53.720 No, no, no, no.

00:44:54.260 We can't have that.

00:44:55.300 Let's have people assume he's a Republican.

00:44:58.180 Yeah.

00:44:58.720 Let's make sure they don't think he's a Democrat.

00:45:00.500 Okay.

00:45:01.520 Look, South Texas, most of the elected officials are Democrats.

00:45:04.340 And I cannot tell you how many of them have said, if my party nationally supports open borders, I can't be a part of that because you cannot see what is happening on the border and defend it.

00:45:16.340 Nobody does.

00:45:17.060 There is nobody who sees it day to day in reality and says, this is a good outcome.

00:45:24.480 This is a humane outcome.

00:45:25.900 It is indefensible.

00:45:27.160 It's an emergency, and it's a man-made emergency that Joe Biden and the Democrats want to have happen, and they want to make it worse tomorrow.

00:45:36.200 And you know they do because the policies they're following are designed to make it worse tomorrow.

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 25, 2023

Into the Lion's Den-Debating School Choice, Abortion, Second Amendment & Border Crisis with Austin Liberals

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