Verdict with Ted Cruz - Ivy League Presidents BOMB before Congress, plus Dems Fight to Cover Up Jeffrey Epstein Flight Logs

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00:00:04.740 Senator, good to be with you as always in person this week.

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00:00:22.340 I want to start with this shocking week coming out of Washington, D.C.

00:00:25.980 You had the presidents of several of these Ivy League schools.

00:00:30.400 They were asked to come and testify before Congress about anti-Semitism on college campuses.

00:00:36.900 Now, you would think they would have been prepped by their staffs, by their PR groups at the university to have them to not screw this up.

00:00:43.680 If they were prepped, everyone that prepped them should be fired because they didn't do anything to make Jewish students feel more comfortable or feel safe on their college campuses. 0.86

00:00:52.660 And it really, I think, shocked the nation that these universities clearly were refusing to condemn anti-Semitism on their campus.

00:01:01.340 Well, that's exactly right.

00:01:02.760 This week was very consequential.

00:01:04.380 You know, since October 7th on this podcast, we have covered in virtually every episode either what is happening on the ground in Israel, what is happening in Gaza, what is happening with Hamas or the corporate media's bias, pro-Hamas bias undermining Israel or the vicious anti-Semitism that we're seeing on the left.

00:01:25.440 Whether it's the squad in the House of Representatives or whether it is on university campuses.

00:01:31.280 I will say the testimony of three university presidents that occurred last week in the House of Representatives was extremely consequential.

00:01:40.880 You had the president of Harvard University, you had the president of Penn, and you had the president of MIT.

00:01:47.020 I cannot think of testimony that has gone worse for the witnesses in my time in the Senate.

00:01:54.660 Wow.

00:01:54.900 It was a train wreck.

00:01:56.200 It is reminiscent of you have to go back more than a decade to when the tobacco CEOs testified before Congress, and it was blood, blood all over the hearing room.

00:02:08.120 I mean, it went badly.

00:02:09.360 These university presidents demonstrated zero understanding of the vicious anti-Semitism that suffuses their institution.

00:02:22.840 Zero understanding, zero empathy, zero understanding, zero empathy, and they thoroughly embrace the rot of cultural Marxism, and it was—and throughout it all, their testimony, they were smug, they were condescending, that they had a know-it-all attitude, that almost every question, it was, how dare you ask me this question?

00:02:46.100 So let's start with just a little exchange of Elise Stefanik, who is a member of Republican leadership in the House.

00:02:55.880 Elise is a Harvard graduate.

00:02:57.380 She and I together led a letter of members of Congress who are Harvard graduates denouncing Harvard's treatment of Jewish students, denouncing their inability to stand up and condemn October 7th, their inability to condemn the Hamas atrocities.

00:03:13.100 And Elise did a terrific job. 1.00

00:03:15.880 Here she's asking what should be a very simple question.

00:03:18.820 How many Jewish students are there on campus at Harvard?

00:03:21.700 Give a listen.

00:03:22.820 Dr. Gay, according to the Hillel College Guide, the Crimson Freshman Survey, and even Harvard's own Education Next Journal,

00:03:29.820 the population of Jewish undergrads at Harvard has plummeted from roughly 25% in the 1980s to between 5% and 10% now.

00:03:39.580 Why is that?

00:03:40.260 That is not data that we collect as part of the admissions process, so I can't speak to those numbers or to the trajectory.

00:03:49.540 So what is the percentage of students who are Jewish at Harvard in undergraduate now?

00:03:55.540 We do not collect religious affiliation as part of the admissions process.

00:04:00.700 Do you not rely on data collected by Harvard Hillel, which you visited for for the first time after October 7th?

00:04:08.440 I'll just be honest with you.

00:04:10.300 When I was a freshman, I enjoyed going to Harvard Hillel and had the opportunity to celebrate Shabbat dinners with my fellow undergrads.

00:04:17.340 The fact that it took you until after October 7th to go to Harvard Hillel is unacceptable.

00:04:24.000 Yield back.

00:04:24.420 I mean, Senator, you listen to that.

00:04:27.540 There's a lot of data, and universities love sharing data about how diverse their student body is.

00:04:33.920 I remember going back on trips when you're trying to figure out where you're going to go to college, and they had every breakdown of everything.

00:04:41.260 I guarantee they probably know how many transgender students are on campus. 0.96

00:04:44.200 Let's cut to the chase. 0.66

00:04:45.540 She's lying.

00:04:46.860 She's flat out lying.

00:04:47.920 I do not believe her.

00:04:49.860 Listen, this is the Harvard admissions process that is the most Bean County admission process ever.

00:04:56.020 They've got a quota for one-legged transgender opera singers. 1.00

00:05:00.800 Like, it is, and by the way, it is Harvard, at Claudine Gay's direction, that was litigating in the Supreme Court to defend their right to discriminate based on race.

00:05:14.760 So, and by the way, you know, she says, we don't keep track of religious affiliation.

00:05:19.520 Well, being Jewish is two things.

00:05:21.680 It is a religion.

00:05:22.700 Judaism is a religion.

00:05:23.740 But it is also an ethnicity.

00:05:25.240 There are people who are ethnically Jewish.

00:05:26.940 There are people who are ethnically Jewish who can religiously be another faith.

00:05:31.220 They can be Christians.

00:05:32.640 There are Messianic Jews who are ethnically Jewish, but yet their religion is Christianity.

00:05:37.280 There are Jews who are atheists, who do not follow Judaism, but are nonetheless Jews.

00:05:42.880 And by the way, there are people who are non-Jews who nonetheless convert to the Jewish faith.

00:05:48.660 So when she says, well, we don't know how many Jews there are, I do not believe her.

00:05:54.440 And in fact, I would be willing to wager a large amount of money.

00:05:58.540 The statement that we don't collect a data on how many Jews there are in the admissions process is a flat-out lie,

00:06:03.760 because they certainly look to race and ethnicity, and being Jewish is an ethnicity.

00:06:10.220 And let me point out also a broader irony.

00:06:13.380 Look, Harvard has a terrible record when it comes to racial discrimination.

00:06:19.560 Harvard is an institution that believes in racial discrimination.

00:06:22.700 In the 1950s, Harvard had what were called Jewish quotas.

00:06:27.760 They capped the number of Jews who were allowed into their classes.

00:06:32.240 And they formally capped them because, and they were starting to move to a more meritocratic admissions process.

00:06:39.220 And Jewish students were doing well.

00:06:41.060 They were getting good test scores, good grades.

00:06:42.800 So they were getting in on merits in a higher percentage.

00:06:46.380 And so Harvard stepped in and said, we don't want too many Jews.

00:06:49.600 And so they put Jewish quotas in place.

00:06:51.560 So for a Harvard professor, the president of Harvard, to say, well, we don't know.

00:06:56.580 Look, Harvard Hillel is a student organization on campus.

00:07:00.000 I have to admit, the stats that Elise Stefanik just said.

00:07:04.600 Yeah, we actually, that was shocking just on its face.

00:07:08.000 I mean, I can tell you, when I was at Harvard for law school, when I was at Princeton for undergrad,

00:07:13.340 the stats she mentioned when she was there, it was about 25 percent Jewish.

00:07:18.800 That feels about right to me of what it was then.

00:07:21.380 I don't know the stats from my time there, but it was a significant percentage of the class.

00:07:26.380 A lot of my friends were Jewish.

00:07:28.060 It was a large percentage of the class.

00:07:31.020 If Harvard is down to 5 to 10 percent, that is a stunning drop.

00:07:36.500 And you would think Harvard Hillel would keep those records.

00:07:40.160 It says a lot that the president of Harvard had never been to Harvard Hillel.

00:07:45.960 So apparently when it comes to student groups, that's not one she cares about at all.

00:07:50.620 But number two, there is a blind spot.

00:07:59.160 University administrators are bathed in cultural Marxism, in the views of the radical left.

00:08:09.760 For people that listen, they may not know the definition of cultural Marxism.

00:08:13.320 We talk about it a lot, especially in this context today.

00:08:15.860 Can you just give that definition again?

00:08:17.380 Because I think it's so important they understand it.

00:08:19.020 Well, Karl Marx, when he wrote the Communist Manifesto, he laid out a view of the world.

00:08:23.860 And it was a view based on economic determinism.

00:08:26.700 And it was a view of inevitable conflict, conflict between oppressors and victims.

00:08:32.820 And for Marx, he used a socioeconomic lens.

00:08:36.260 So the oppressors were the owners of capital.

00:08:39.120 And the victims were the proletariat, the working men and women. 0.99

00:08:42.280 And the solution that he advocated was the violent revolution of the proletariat against the oppressors.

00:08:49.020 Cultural Marxism uses the mechanisms of culture to frame the world through a Marxist lens, but not just socioeconomic.

00:08:58.980 So today, the cultural Marxists, they look at Israel and they have coded, they have defined Jews as oppressors.

00:09:10.300 Once that is the case, ideologically, the cultural Marxists support the violent revolution of the so-called victims against the so-called oppressors.

00:09:30.180 It's why 35 student groups at Harvard cheered on the Hamas atrocities and said every murder, every rape, every child that was slaughtered is 100% the fault of Israel.

00:09:40.220 Because cultural Marxists celebrate when so-called victims are murdering so-called oppressors.

00:09:47.600 It's why Black Lives Matter, the Chicago chapter, sent out a tweet of a paraglider, the same paraglider that Hamas terrorists used to murder hundreds of Israelis at the outdoor music concert, saying, we stand with Palestine.

00:10:00.440 They're celebrating the mass murder of civilians.

00:10:03.040 Why?

00:10:03.580 Because in their worldview, those civilians were the oppressors.

00:10:08.100 And so they root for the violence.

00:10:10.760 These administrators, the reason why you're seeing such vicious anti-Semitism on campus, is they have bought into the view that Jews are colonial settlers, they are oppressive, and so we should all celebrate in their view when the oppressors are slaughtered.

00:10:31.500 It is grotesque, and we're going to play right now a segment of questioning that is enormously consequential.

00:10:41.780 I'll tell you, what you're about to watch, what you're about to listen to, has already resulted in one of these three witnesses being fired.

00:10:48.180 As we stand here today, Liz McGill, the president of Penn, lost her job because of how she answered this question.

00:10:55.020 And by the way, the chairman of the board of trustees of Penn, lost his job because of how Liz McGill answered this question.

00:11:02.500 So that's one, and I think we could easily see all three of these college presidents lose their jobs because of this testimony.

00:11:10.500 So if you're watching on YouTube, watch and see their expressions.

00:11:14.500 If you're listening, give a listen.

00:11:16.200 At MIT, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules regarding bullying and harassment, yes or no?

00:11:26.880 If targeted at individuals, not making public statements.

00:11:31.400 Yes or no?

00:11:32.860 Calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute bullying and harassment?

00:11:36.160 I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews on our campus.

00:11:39.940 But you've heard chants for intifada. 0.94

00:11:41.460 I've heard chants, which can be anti-Semitic depending on the context, when calling for the elimination of the Jewish people.

00:11:50.260 So those would not be according to the MIT's code of conduct or rules?

00:11:55.280 That would be investigated as harassment if pervasive and severe.

00:12:01.280 Ms. McGill, at Penn, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's rules or code of conduct, yes or no?

00:12:11.460 If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment, yes.

00:12:16.760 I am asking, specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?

00:12:25.800 If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.

00:12:29.920 So the answer is yes.

00:12:31.940 It is a context-dependent decision, Congresswoman.

00:12:34.480 It's a context-dependent decision.

00:12:36.420 That's your testimony today, calling for the genocide of Jews is, depending upon the context, that is not bullying or harassment.

00:12:43.960 This is the easiest question to answer, yes, Ms. McGill.

00:12:49.820 So is your testimony that you will not answer yes?

00:12:53.160 If it is-

00:12:55.720 Yes or no.

00:12:56.480 If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment, yes.

00:13:00.520 Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide?

00:13:04.140 The speech is not harassment?

00:13:06.320 This is unacceptable, Ms. McGill.

00:13:07.960 I'm going to give you one more opportunity for the world to see your answer.

00:13:13.000 Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's code of conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment, yes or no?

00:13:21.260 No.

00:13:21.320 It can be harassment.

00:13:26.040 The answer is yes.

00:13:28.200 And Dr. Gay, at Harvard, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, yes or no?

00:13:37.580 It can be, depending on the context. 0.86

00:13:40.440 What's the context?

00:13:42.080 Targeted as an individual.

00:13:43.860 Targeted at an individual.

00:13:45.540 It's targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals.

00:13:48.860 Do you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them?

00:13:52.540 Do you understand that dehumanization is part of anti-Semitism?

00:13:58.300 I will ask you one more time.

00:14:00.800 Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, yes or no?

00:14:09.160 Anti-Semitic rhetoric.

00:14:10.680 And is it anti-Semitic rhetoric?

00:14:12.160 Anti-Semitic rhetoric, when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation, that is actionable conduct, and we do take action.

00:14:24.160 So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard's code of conduct.

00:14:31.020 Correct.

00:14:33.340 Again, it depends on the context.

00:14:35.860 It does not depend on the context.

00:14:38.020 The answer is yes, and this is why you should resign.

00:14:41.240 These are unacceptable answers across the board.

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00:16:19.220 Senator, you look at that testimony.

00:16:23.040 You don't go before Congress without getting ready for it.

00:16:26.680 These presidents were not caught off guard.

00:16:30.920 No.

00:16:31.000 They knew that this was going to be a rigorous back and forth, and they were deliberate in their anti-Semitic stance here.

00:16:40.380 This was not an accident.

00:16:42.720 All three of those presidents side with the protesters.

00:16:47.280 Ideologically, when they see crazed anti-Semitic protesters chanting from the river to the sea.

00:16:54.420 By the way, from the river to the sea means from the Jordan River to the sea. 0.99

00:16:57.080 It is calling for the annihilation of every Jew in Israel. 0.97

00:17:01.820 That's what from the river to the sea means. 0.99

00:17:04.140 When they chant intifada.

00:17:06.080 Intifada was the war that the Palestinians, that Hamas, waged on Israel, murdering Israeli civilians.

00:17:13.480 They are calling for death.

00:17:16.580 Every one of those college professors, they're rooting for the protesters. 0.94

00:17:20.800 They're rooting for Hamas. 0.96

00:17:22.200 As they walk past them, they view the protesters as the good guys, and they view their Jewish students as the bad guys.

00:17:30.160 That's why this question was so difficult for them.

00:17:32.840 Look, it also, it's worth noting when it comes to genocide, this is not an abstract question concerning the Jewish people.

00:17:42.800 The Jewish people were the subject of the most horrific genocide in the history of humanity.

00:17:49.640 Adolf Hitler and the Nazis murdered over 6 million Jews.

00:17:55.500 Systematically murdered them in concentration camps.

00:17:58.740 Anti-Semitism is an evil that has been on the face of this planet for millennia. 0.54

00:18:03.700 It is a unique evil.

00:18:05.040 It is a persistent evil.

00:18:06.380 And we are seeing it.

00:18:08.720 And, you know, Elise Stefanik, at the end, she pointed out that you're dehumanizing the Jewish students.

00:18:16.160 Notice, Claudine Gay, the president of Harvard, she said, well, it depends if it's particularized. 0.98

00:18:22.060 What part of we should kill all the Jews is not particularized? 1.00

00:18:27.660 If you're a Jewish student and someone is screaming at you, kill all the Jews, that's pretty damn particularized. 1.00

00:18:35.500 If someone goes to you and screams, kill everyone named Ben, you'd feel pretty particularized by that. 0.99

00:18:42.860 And this is not speech.

00:18:44.720 This is not arguing about we should have a one-state or two-state solution in the Middle East.

00:18:49.960 This is not a public policy debate about.

00:18:53.480 It's not a great debate.

00:18:54.420 It's genocide. 0.64

00:18:55.560 It is.

00:18:56.780 And it's harassment and threats.

00:18:58.780 Look, the first of those witnesses, Sally Kornbluth, who's the president of MIT.

00:19:04.040 MIT has allowed Jewish students to be kept out of class.

00:19:09.100 So their ideology is directly interfering with carrying out their pedagogical mission, the mission of a university to educate their students.

00:19:18.540 Jewish students have repeatedly reported being afraid to go to class because they're being threatened with violence. 0.53

00:19:25.580 And the MIT president won't do a damn thing about it. 0.52

00:19:28.480 She won't protect her Jewish students. 0.77

00:19:30.560 Each one of those individuals.

00:19:33.380 Look, Liz McGill, I actually know.

00:19:35.280 So Liz clerked with me. 0.98

00:19:36.980 Really?

00:19:37.440 So the year I clerked on the Supreme Court, I clerked for Chief Justice Rehnquist.

00:19:41.020 She clerked for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:19:42.920 So I knew her then.

00:19:44.100 She's a lawyer. 0.86

00:19:44.760 Very smart.

00:19:46.200 You know, she was always kind of lefty.

00:19:48.180 She was fairly benign.

00:19:50.320 She was nice enough.

00:19:51.260 Among the clerks, there were clerks that were really very partisan and very lefty.

00:19:58.040 Liz McGill never seemed excessively so, but she was happily in the left of the clerks. 0.95

00:20:06.280 She's a law professor. 0.95

00:20:07.560 She was the dean at Stanford.

00:20:08.860 She was the provost at Virginia.

00:20:10.900 And now she's the president of Penn.

00:20:12.180 And I'll tell you why she was fired. 1.00

00:20:15.200 She was fired because a number of donors stood up and said, we're cutting off the cash. 0.75

00:20:19.840 One of them was threatening $100 million.

00:20:22.620 Multiple donors.

00:20:23.900 I sat down with Mark Rowan, who's the chair of the board of trustees of Wharton, which is

00:20:30.000 one of the schools, the business school at Penn.

00:20:33.620 He was calling for her to be fired.

00:20:35.620 He was helping lead the fight.

00:20:36.980 Um, we've seen multiple people.

00:20:40.060 We've seen Ronald Lauder threatened to cut off the money he provides to Penn.

00:20:43.740 We saw the Huntsman family that had been big donors threatened to cut off the money to Penn.

00:20:48.060 That's one of the very few ways to get a woke university's attention is go after the money. 0.60

00:20:54.720 And, and listen, I think there's a very good chance that the presidents of Harvard and MIT

00:20:59.520 could be fired as well.

00:21:00.960 But I'll tell you, both those institutions are hoping this just blows over.

00:21:04.680 They're defending them, in essence, by not firing them right away after they witnessed

00:21:08.100 this testimony.

00:21:09.160 This testimony was a train wreck.

00:21:11.320 And look, it's worth noting also, none of the three expressed one iota of empathy.

00:21:20.000 None of them expressed what a Jewish student would feel walking down the sidewalk and having

00:21:29.100 protesters not engaging in speech, but threatening and harassing.

00:21:33.360 Look, I am a free speech absolutist, but free speech does not protect the right to make

00:21:38.700 threats or harassment, threats of violence.

00:21:41.860 Why is it that the MIT students couldn't go to class?

00:21:44.240 Because they were afraid of being injured, physically harmed.

00:21:49.540 Why is it, we talked about this on an earlier verdict, that the USC professor, an economics

00:21:55.700 professor who happens to be Jewish, why did USC ban the Jewish professor from stepping foot

00:22:00.780 on campus because anti-Semitic protesters threatened him with violence?

00:22:05.840 And the administrators at USC side with the protesters and not their own professor.

00:22:11.040 Yeah.

00:22:11.300 None of the three of them have the tiniest bit of empathy.

00:22:15.720 Look, we've seen footage of students at Harvard, Jewish students at Harvard, being harassed.

00:22:20.460 There's a difference between engaging in free speech and engaging in active harassment.

00:22:24.560 And by the way, all three of them hate free speech.

00:22:28.380 Every one of them, if you misgender someone, game on. 1.00

00:22:33.820 If you see Leah Thomas, who's built like Michael Phelps and is anatomically a dude, and if you 0.96

00:22:41.280 make that point, that is, in their view, that's clearly harassment.

00:22:45.780 It's clearly over the line.

00:22:46.980 That's when you can get kicked out of school.

00:22:48.260 But if you call for the genocide of the entire Jewish people, that, as they say, depends on

00:22:55.180 the context.

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00:23:27.920 Two things I want to ask you quickly on this.

00:23:30.120 Number one, even the president that was fired still got to keep a tenured job as a professor

00:23:36.580 at the university.

00:23:38.480 So there's your golden parachute.

00:23:39.780 She's in the law school.

00:23:40.920 She gets paid.

00:23:41.800 She's a tenured professor.

00:23:42.920 Yeah, you got demoted, but you still kept your basic job, your tenured job in the law

00:23:49.460 school, indoctrinated kids, which brings me to my question, too.

00:23:53.780 When you were growing up, and it was the same way for me, you wanted to go to the best school

00:23:59.240 you could get into.

00:24:00.620 Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton.

00:24:04.280 I had friends that went there, for example.

00:24:05.680 That was the holy grail.

00:24:06.880 I look at this now, and I would say to any parent out there, just because your kid can

00:24:12.680 get in now doesn't necessarily mean you want your kid to go there, in my opinion, because

00:24:16.860 the way that they're indoctrinating and not protecting people, for example, that are Jewish. 0.65

00:24:21.500 Do you want to give them your money?

00:24:23.420 And is it time as a country that we step back and go, okay, let's look at what they're teaching

00:24:29.660 your kid now, not the history of these universities, because they're not the same that they were

00:24:34.440 from 10, 15, 20, 30 years ago.

00:24:36.220 So let me say, this is not theoretical or hypothetical.

00:24:41.700 Since October 7th, I've had a lot of conversations with friends of mine who are Jewish.

00:24:46.860 I've probably had between 50 and 100 conversations with friends of mine who are Jewish.

00:24:52.520 It's interesting.

00:24:53.420 I've asked many, most of them, I've asked, hey, did you have family or friends that were

00:25:00.720 in Israel that were impacted on October 7th?

00:25:04.120 I've got to say, it's been stunning to me.

00:25:05.660 It's been about half the people I've asked who are friends of mine answered yes, that

00:25:10.400 they personally were affected, that they personally had a nephew, had a niece, had their son's best

00:25:18.960 friend, had a roommate, that either in some instances they had friends or family who were

00:25:26.640 killed or were kidnapped on October 7th, or in more instances they have friends or family

00:25:32.740 who've been called up in the IDF and who are fighting Hamas right now.

00:25:37.580 In those conversations, I've also had conversations with multiple friends of mine who were about

00:25:45.400 our age, and they have college-age kids, and they have kids that are at these universities,

00:25:51.540 and I've heard, I would say, north of a dozen of my friends have directly related to me that

00:25:58.880 their kids feel unsafe in college right now.

00:26:01.620 Wow.

00:26:02.220 And it's close to 100% of the friends of mine who have Jewish children that are in college

00:26:09.120 right now, pretty much all of them, are saying their kids are reporting.

00:26:15.080 They don't feel safe, they don't feel protected, they're afraid to go out.

00:26:21.920 You know, one friend of mine was discussing how his daughter and another group of Jewish

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00:26:36.360 in Spain, and they decided when we book the train tickets, when we book the hotel tickets,

00:26:43.500 we'll have the friend of ours who has the least Jewish-sounding name, we'll book it under that 0.99

00:26:49.280 name, because they're afraid of violence.

00:26:52.220 Unbelievable.

00:26:54.120 Simply because of being identified as being Jewish.

00:26:56.880 This is real, it is pervasive, and these universities are teaching this, they're indoctrinating

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00:28:41.420 Senator, I want to move on to another issue this week that was kind of shocking.

00:28:45.520 Your colleague, Senator Marsha Blackburn from Tennessee, has asked for a basic request,

00:28:51.300 and that is the Peter the Epstein flight logs.

00:28:54.400 They exist.

00:28:55.600 We should know who was on those planes.

00:28:58.500 And Dick Durbin kind of wanted to have it both ways, claiming, hey, I didn't really know

00:29:02.980 about this, so therefore I don't have to do it, but I'm willing to talk about it.

00:29:06.760 But this should be a simple, like, yes or no question for him.

00:29:11.280 Do you want Epstein's, you know, flight logs to be out there?

00:29:14.340 Yes.

00:29:14.820 Do we want to know who was on those planes?

00:29:16.440 Yes.

00:29:16.780 Do we want to know who was involved in this human and sex trafficking?

00:29:20.080 Yes.

00:29:20.440 So why is he defending it?

00:29:22.320 And you may have been as shocked as I was.

00:29:24.180 This doesn't seem like a smart political move, yet maybe there's so many Democrats that he's

00:29:28.680 trying to protect here, or big donors.

00:29:30.480 I don't understand it.

00:29:31.460 Yeah, look, look, Durbin is doing everything he can to cover this up, to hide the Jeffrey

00:29:36.480 Epstein flight logs.

00:29:38.160 Take a look right here.

00:29:39.620 This is a Fox News reporter questioning Dick Durbin as he walks to a Judiciary Committee

00:29:43.940 hearing.

00:29:44.740 Give a listen.

00:29:46.120 I don't know anything about his flight logs.

00:29:48.480 Why won't you subpoena them?

00:29:49.660 Why don't you want to know?

00:29:51.340 I don't know the issue.

00:29:52.720 I know who Epstein was, but I certainly don't know anything about the issue.

00:29:56.860 Well, he was charged with sex trafficking, so why don't you want to know who was utilizing

00:30:01.780 his private plane?

00:30:02.880 I've never been raised by anyone.

00:30:04.920 Senator Blackburn has wanted to subpoena them, and there hasn't been a vote in your committee.

00:30:09.400 He said a word to me, not a word.

00:30:11.400 But aren't you curious, like, what high-profile or powerful people might be closeted predators

00:30:17.560 and pedophiles?

00:30:18.540 Does that concern you?

00:30:19.760 Of course.

00:30:20.880 So why won't you subpoena them if you can't?

00:30:23.060 It's the first time anyone has raised it.

00:30:24.900 Thank you, Fox.

00:30:26.480 So do you, are you curious about it?

00:30:28.380 Will you do it?

00:30:29.740 All right, so Durbin is lying.

00:30:32.020 Just like when Claudine Gay said, Harvard doesn't know how many Jewish students we have.

00:30:38.100 Baloney.

00:30:38.720 Yes, they do.

00:30:40.160 Durbin is flat out lying.

00:30:41.340 Now, let me give you some backstory.

00:30:42.300 This fight occurred in the context, and we talked about this in a podcast about a week

00:30:48.280 ago, where the Democrats subpoenaed Harlan Crowe and Leonard Leo.

00:30:55.960 Harlan Crowe, very successful real estate developer based here in Texas and Dallas.

00:31:00.860 Leonard Leo has been very active with the Federalist Society for a long time, very active

00:31:05.040 in helping with judicial selection and in fighting for constitutionalist judges.

00:31:12.300 The Democrats hate them.

00:31:14.120 And the subpoenas going after Harlan Crowe and going after Leonard Leo are part of their

00:31:20.260 ongoing effort to harass the Supreme Court, to delegitimize the Supreme Court, and in

00:31:25.540 particular to target Clarence Thomas.

00:31:27.220 They despise Clarence Thomas.

00:31:29.420 So in response to that, a number of Republicans had different amendments that we were pushing

00:31:34.400 that if they were going to force a vote on these subpoenas, we were going to force a

00:31:39.760 vote on our amendments.

00:31:40.580 So when we went into it, I had an amendment that would subpoena the GPS data for Hunter

00:31:48.680 Biden's cell phone and Joe Biden's cell phone at the exact moment that Hunter Biden sent

00:31:53.180 the WhatsApp text to the Chinese communists saying, I'm sitting here next to my father.

00:31:58.260 Because we know from the IRS whistleblowers that when the investigators wanted to find out

00:32:03.560 was he in fact sitting next to Joe Biden when he was extorting the Chinese communists,

00:32:07.560 the Biden DOJ blocked that and said, nope, you can't find that out.

00:32:12.040 So that's what I wanted to tee up.

00:32:14.480 I think that was important.

00:32:15.760 I think we should have voted for it.

00:32:16.860 I'm going to continue to look for an avenue to vote for it.

00:32:20.760 Marsha Blackburn came up with, I think, an even better idea of a subpoena to vote on. 1.00

00:32:25.780 And her idea was that we should subpoena the Epstein estate for the flight logs to his plane. 0.96

00:32:33.260 And in particular, the Lolita Express, the private jet that flew down to Jeffrey Epstein's

00:32:38.820 island with lots and lots of politicians, allegedly, mostly Democrats.

00:32:43.260 We don't know.

00:32:43.800 We don't know who was on it.

00:32:45.340 Yeah, show it.

00:32:45.940 If there's a Republican, fine.

00:32:47.120 Let's find out who they are.

00:32:48.140 Now, we do know that Epstein was an original friend to Bill, that he was very close with Bill Clinton.

00:32:54.740 He was so close with Bill Clinton.

00:32:57.740 Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein had hanging on the wall in his living room?

00:33:00.960 Maybe one of the creepiest, weirdest things ever.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, go ahead and tell everybody because it's truly shocking.

00:33:05.700 A painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue dress.

00:33:11.900 Monica Lewinsky. 1.00

00:33:13.000 And wearing red high-heeled pumps. 0.70

00:33:15.380 Like, it's just weird.

00:33:17.120 Yeah.

00:33:17.320 That's what Epstein had hanging on his wall in his New York house.

00:33:23.860 So, Marsha Blackburn introduced an amendment to subpoena the flight logs. 1.00

00:33:29.680 I thought her idea was fantastic, so I co-sponsored her amendment.

00:33:33.780 So, it was a Blackburn-Cruz amendment to subpoena the flight logs.

00:33:39.440 Now, the first time we were going to vote on the subpoenas on Harlan Crowe and Leonard Leo,

00:33:44.720 we didn't vote on them.

00:33:48.200 And I can tell you, like all the Republicans, we were all ready for combat.

00:33:52.040 Let's go battle the Democrats.

00:33:53.500 This is a partisan witch hunt.

00:33:54.880 And what happened, so back behind the dais, there's a conference room where the Judiciary Committee meets.

00:34:02.280 You have the dais there.

00:34:04.700 And behind it, there's a conference room.

00:34:06.360 And you can go and have meetings there.

00:34:08.200 I can tell you Dick Durbin was sitting in that conference room with John Ossoff,

00:34:13.320 the freshman Democrat senator from Georgia, who serves on Judiciary.

00:34:18.540 And Durbin and Ossoff were having a heated, heated conversation.

00:34:23.440 I don't know for sure what they were discussing.

00:34:26.580 I didn't overhear their conversation.

00:34:29.380 But it was energetic, and it delayed and delayed and delayed.

00:34:33.800 And then Durbin ended up deciding not to vote on the subpoenas.

00:34:38.100 And I'll tell you, all the Republican senators were like, what's going on?

00:34:41.600 Yeah.

00:34:42.460 And a number of us thought it was—a number of Republican senators suggested the problem was

00:34:52.120 Ossoff told Durbin he was not willing to vote on the Epstein subpoena.

00:34:59.060 Now, I don't know if that's because he didn't want it voted on or he didn't want to vote.

00:35:03.040 No, I don't know why.

00:35:04.000 And I don't know if it's true.

00:35:04.940 I mean, we were—Durbin never explained any of it to us.

00:35:07.520 He just canceled it.

00:35:10.500 Fast forward then to when they did vote out the subpoenas.

00:35:16.060 The way he did so, he allowed no amendments.

00:35:17.860 He just rammed it through and blocked all amendments.

00:35:21.720 And so the logical inference is the only way Durbin could get his votes for the Harlan Crow

00:35:28.200 and Leonard Leo subpoenas is to stop a vote on the Jeffrey Epstein subpoena.

00:35:34.000 And somebody, and I think the most likely candidate is John Ossoff, really, really, really doesn't want to vote on that.

00:35:41.260 I think that's all the more reason to vote on it.

00:35:43.740 And by the way, if Ossoff is listening to this and he says, hey, that's not true, I'm happy to vote on it, great.

00:35:49.380 Let's vote on it.

00:35:50.060 Let's vote on it.

00:35:50.860 There's an easy way to resolve it.

00:35:52.980 But it's interesting.

00:35:55.380 So Fox News asked Durbin that question in the hallway.

00:35:58.020 You saw it at the end.

00:35:59.080 He's like, thanks, Fox.

00:36:00.200 Yeah.

00:36:00.360 With this, like, nastiness.

00:36:02.580 Well, what happened next was interesting.

00:36:03.980 So Durbin went into the hearing room and he tried to rehabilitate himself.

00:36:08.300 He tried to say – 1.00

00:36:09.080 Yeah, it's cover your ass, politics. 0.99

00:36:10.280 So watch what he said as soon as he came into the hearing room. 0.99

00:36:13.440 Senator Blackburn, before you leave, I want to make a point for the record since I understand you made some statements about the Jeffrey Epstein flight logs.

00:36:23.320 There's a Fox reporter in the hallway who asked me about this.

00:36:27.260 And I said I had not spoken to you one time about this issue.

00:36:31.320 I think you'll back me up on that.

00:36:33.080 And I'm not mistaken.

00:36:34.660 I didn't know that this was even a subject of your amendments, which, if you'll recall, you were the first on the list until the two-hour rule was invoked.

00:36:43.120 I don't know anything about this request on your part.

00:36:46.360 I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

00:36:48.220 But I haven't done any discussion with you to this point.

00:36:50.840 Mr. Chairman, I know.

00:36:52.460 And I think you're fully aware that I had two amendments, one dealing with Epstein and Sotomayor.

00:36:58.660 I brought it up previously.

00:37:00.960 I have to confess I didn't know that you'd offer that amendment.

00:37:04.320 Happy to discuss it with you.

00:37:05.600 But I want to point on the record.

00:37:07.720 You and I have never personally discussed this, have we?

00:37:11.420 We talked briefly on the floor as a conclusion.

00:37:14.720 I didn't know what the subject matter of your amendment was.

00:37:17.100 You said you wanted to offer your amendment.

00:37:18.160 In committee, I brought up the subject matter of my amendments.

00:37:22.900 Not in my presence.

00:37:24.360 Not in my presence.

00:37:25.500 Do you believe him?

00:37:26.660 Well, the nice thing is, as they say, we can roll the tape.

00:37:32.100 What he said there is a flat-out lie.

00:37:33.900 It is objectively false.

00:37:36.020 And we're going to show that to you in just a moment.

00:37:38.920 It is unequivocally false.

00:37:42.160 It is possible, giving him enormous benefit of the doubt, he forgot.

00:37:48.200 Yeah.

00:37:48.940 It is possible it was not a knowing lie.

00:37:51.440 But it is unequivocally, 100%, demonstrably false that the words he said are wrong.

00:38:00.120 And I'll show you why.

00:38:01.520 We're going to right now play the tape of that first hearing.

00:38:05.040 Now, I was there.

00:38:07.140 Marsha Blackburn was there.

00:38:08.660 And Dick Durbin was there.

00:38:10.020 And you're going to hear Marsha bring up her amendment about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:38:13.740 He just said, you've never mentioned Jeffrey Epstein in my presence.

00:38:17.980 I was not physically present.

00:38:19.460 Well, you're going to see Dick Durbin recognize her and then cut her off while she's bringing 0.99

00:38:24.100 up Jeffrey Epstein.

00:38:25.100 Roll the tape.

00:38:26.140 I seek recognition.

00:38:27.920 Senator Blackburn.

00:38:28.860 Since we're in the business of issuing subpoenas now, here are a few more that I've filed.

00:38:36.760 A subpoena to Jeffrey Epstein's estate to provide the flight logs for his private plane.

00:38:43.680 Thank you, Senator.

00:38:45.020 When I recognized you, I didn't know what subject you wish to speak to.

00:38:48.560 As I announced at the beginning, the first thing we'll consider the two judicial nominations.

00:38:53.080 Then we will move to the subpoena.

00:38:54.980 So she's speaking to the man in the middle of the room.

00:38:58.320 He's right there in the middle.

00:38:59.160 It's direct eye contact.

00:39:00.300 He's looking directly at her.

00:39:01.620 He's at the hearing room.

00:39:02.760 He's in the center center.

00:39:04.200 I'm in between Durbin and Marsha Blackburn.

00:39:07.460 We're all sitting there.

00:39:08.380 She flat out says, I want to subpoena Jeffrey Epstein's flight records.

00:39:13.600 And he hears it.

00:39:15.260 He recognizes her.

00:39:16.340 Then he interrupts and says, no, no, I want to do some other stuff first.

00:39:21.880 This is easy to resolve.

00:39:24.620 We should subpoena Epstein's flight records.

00:39:28.560 If there are politicians, Democrat or Republican, or anybody else who was on that plane, who was going to that island, who was molesting and sexually assaulting children, we should know who they are.

00:39:43.960 We shouldn't have Jeffrey Epstein's client list.

00:39:46.940 And the fact that the Democrats are apparently in a full on panic, I don't know if Durbin knows somebody on that list or multiple people, or I don't know if they're just afraid.

00:40:00.400 I don't know what their fear is, but they're plainly terrified of voting on it.

00:40:07.120 And if I'm wrong, Durbin can solve it very easily by bringing it up for a vote and issuing the subpoena.

00:40:14.040 And to be clear, when we subpoena those flight logs, we should make them public.

00:40:18.720 I will tell you this.

00:40:20.080 One of my favorite moments in all of Senate Judiciary was when John Kennedy leaned forward at a hearing and he said, Christmas tree ornaments and Jeffrey Epstein, two things, you know, didn't hang themselves.

00:40:40.280 And this is why he is a legend of the Senate.

00:40:42.760 I almost laughed down a lung and I'm sitting there.

00:40:46.580 John sits a couple of seats to my right.

00:40:49.400 I almost fell over.

00:40:50.860 I was like, I cannot believe he just said that in a live and open hearing of Senate Judiciary.

00:40:56.260 He did.

00:40:57.700 But it seems to me, I don't know if Jeffrey Epstein had a visit from Hillary Clinton late at night.

00:41:03.000 I don't know what happened.

00:41:03.800 But it seems to me Dick Durbin really, really, really doesn't want you to know what happened.

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00:42:37.320 Senator, last question for you.

00:42:38.740 Bonus question.

00:42:39.600 I'm going to throw this one at you because I just got to know what you think.

00:42:41.840 In theory this week, there's a guy by the name of Hunter Biden that's supposed to show

00:42:46.780 up to testify, be subpoenaed.

00:42:50.200 He's been subpoenaed.

00:42:51.120 He's supposed to be behind closed doors.

00:42:54.200 He's supposed to show up and answer questions.

00:42:56.240 It's something that Donald Trump's kids had to do for hours on end.

00:43:00.440 They didn't make an excuse for not showing up.

00:43:03.360 Will he or will he not show up this week in your opinion?

00:43:07.320 Look, there are a lot of times where I have strong, strong senses of probabilities.

00:43:13.260 I have to say I really don't know.

00:43:14.760 I put it at about 50-50.

00:43:17.900 Wouldn't surprise me at all if he did show up, but it would not surprise me if he didn't.

00:43:22.380 If he doesn't show up, the House will hold him in contempt.

00:43:26.200 But if the House holds him in contempt, the Biden Justice Department is not going to prosecute

00:43:30.680 the contempt finding.

00:43:31.460 And so just like Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress, if the House holds Hunter Biden

00:43:37.480 in contempt and the Biden DOJ refuses to do anything about it, Hunter gets off scot-free.

00:43:43.340 So actually, as I'm talking about it, I'm talking myself into...

00:43:48.160 You're coming to my side on this.

00:43:49.520 No way he shows up.

00:43:50.400 I'm talking myself into 60-40.

00:43:52.920 He doesn't show up.

00:43:53.820 All right.

00:43:54.300 I say 100% he doesn't show up.

00:43:55.940 All right.

00:43:56.300 We're going to cover it this week.

00:43:57.660 That I can promise you.

00:43:58.700 So don't forget, it's going to be a very big week with the Hunter Biden Investigation.

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - December 11, 2023

Ivy League Presidents BOMB before Congress, plus Dems Fight to Cover Up Jeffrey Epstein Flight Logs

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