Verdict with Ted Cruz - Leftists Celebrate an Anti-Capitalist Murderer & Mourn the Acquittal of a Marine Who Saved his Fellow Subway Passengers from a Deranged Violent Criminal

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:00:02.580 Guaranteed human.

00:00:05.240 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.040 And Senator, there are two big stories and they are just on total opposite ends of the spectrum

00:00:14.200 and how the media is covering it.

00:00:16.060 One of them deals with a anti-capitalist climate activist who's become some sort of hero to the left

00:00:22.760 who has now been charged with murdering the health care CEO.

00:00:26.300 And the other story deals with Daniel Penny who was found not guilty in New York City

00:00:34.620 and yet they're still going after him as an innocent man.

00:00:40.140 Well, tragically, these two stories both show just how twisted and messed up the radical left has gotten.

00:00:49.700 With the first story, we saw this CEO murdered in cold blood, shot on the street,

00:00:56.300 in New York.

00:00:58.000 The alleged murderer is a radical leftist, allegedly, an anti-capitalist, a climate activist.

00:01:06.960 And he is being celebrated by the left.

00:01:11.220 He's been celebrated on TikTok, on Twitter. 0.94

00:01:14.940 It is disgusting.

00:01:16.400 It is the reaction of the radical left shows just how they not only normalize but are cheering 0.97

00:01:26.120 the murder of anyone they choose that they dislike.

00:01:30.700 And then on the flip side, Daniel Penny.

00:01:33.700 You look at what Daniel Penny did.

00:01:35.180 This is a Marine who defended his nation. 0.96

00:01:37.300 And you had a mentally ill homeless guy who was threatening to murder people on the subway.

00:01:42.800 And Daniel Penny was a good Samaritan who intervened and may well have saved the lives of his fellow passengers.

00:01:49.840 And what does Alvin Bragg do?

00:01:51.240 He immediately turns around and tries to prosecute him and put him in jail.

00:01:54.780 These two together really illustrate just how messed up today's radical left is.

00:02:05.100 And it's sad and it's frightening and it needs to change.

00:02:08.840 Yeah.

00:02:09.020 And we're going to break down a lot of what they said because I think exposing a lot of it is what's really important

00:02:13.660 so people understand what is happening in this country right now.

00:02:16.720 I also want to tell you about our friends over at Patriot Mobile who are fighting the good fight to protect our conservative values

00:02:22.840 while you use a cell phone.

00:02:25.280 It is incredible and you may not realize that Big Mobile is giving massive donations to democratic causes, candidates, and organizations.

00:02:34.320 Radical organizations that are fighting against our First and our Second Amendment rights. 0.89

00:02:38.640 And also organizations that pay for abortions on demand.

00:02:42.380 Well, if you don't want your money going there, then you need to join other Christians and conservatives just like me

00:02:48.700 and make the switch to Patriot Mobile.

00:02:51.080 Switching in 2024 is easier now than it's ever been.

00:02:54.940 You get the same great coverage you used to because now everyone uses the same networks and the same towers.

00:03:00.520 So it's not a problem when it comes to coverage.

00:03:02.920 In fact, they have a coverage guarantee at Patriot Mobile.

00:03:05.960 But here's the part you're going to love.

00:03:07.560 When you pay your bill every month, about 5% of that bill at no extra cost to you.

00:03:12.380 Goes back to support conservative causes that stand up for our First and Second Amendment rights.

00:03:18.520 Stand up for the rights of unborn children.

00:03:21.260 And they also stand with our medical or wounded warriors.

00:03:25.240 Those that have been hurt serving our country.

00:03:27.800 Those that have served.

00:03:29.420 Whether it's police or firemen, EMTs, or men and women in uniform in our military.

00:03:35.560 That is why I love Patriot Mobile.

00:03:37.240 Now I want to give you a free month of service to make the switch right now.

00:03:40.420 All you have to do is go to PatriotMobile.com slash verdict.

00:03:44.540 That's PatriotMobile.com slash verdict.

00:03:47.320 You can also call them 972-PATRIOT right now.

00:03:51.800 You're going to get a free month of service when you use the offer code VERDICT.

00:03:55.260 And you get to keep your same number you've got now.

00:03:57.000 Keep your same phone you have now.

00:03:58.460 Or upgrade to a new one.

00:04:00.180 Join me and switch to America's only Christian conservative mobile provider. 0.94

00:04:04.240 PatriotMobile.com slash verdict.

00:04:06.480 Or 972-PATRIOT for your free month of service today.

00:04:09.760 So let's start, Senator, with this first just, I think, shocking case of this anti-capitalist climate activist

00:04:19.500 who murdered this healthcare CEO and they're actually praising him on the left as the hot assassin,

00:04:28.520 is what was trending earlier on social media.

00:04:31.200 And people that want to send in money for his defense fund and people attacking whoever the worker was at McDonald's, for example,

00:04:39.720 that called the police about a cold-blooded assassin.

00:04:42.620 Well, you look at what happened and, number one, he just walked up and shot the CEO in cold blood.

00:04:51.840 It was horrific.

00:04:52.760 It was deliberate murder.

00:04:54.960 Here's the opening paragraph of the New York Post story when this suspect was arrested.

00:05:00.980 The suspect nabbed in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson is an anti-capitalist Ivy League grad

00:05:08.440 who liked online quotes from Unabomber Ted Kaczynski and seethed in a three-page manifesto, 0.65

00:05:16.440 these parasites simply had it coming, law enforcement sources have told the Post. 0.89

00:05:22.060 This guy is a hard leftist. 0.95

00:05:28.800 He was apparently unhappy at the health care, health insurance industry.

00:05:33.660 And by the way, look, that's not an unreasonable position to be unhappy at insurance companies.

00:05:38.660 That's something reasonable people can believe.

00:05:41.600 What reasonable people don't do is murder those people they don't like.

00:05:46.680 And to do it, you know, this suspect is from a wealthy family.

00:05:58.140 He was the valedictorian of his prep school in Baltimore.

00:06:02.260 He went to the University of Pennsylvania.

00:06:05.320 And you look at the early reports,

00:06:09.340 and we're going to learn more about what was happening in this person's life,

00:06:12.320 but, you know, what was reported is high school friends, this is again from the Post,

00:06:17.280 said they were shocked to learn that the one-time prep school valedictorian

00:06:20.560 and stellar University of Penn graduate may have been struggling

00:06:23.840 and even more stunned to learn of his bust tied to the case.

00:06:28.140 And one of the classmates said he was always doing the right thing.

00:06:31.240 He always had a smile on his face.

00:06:34.240 And he was described as a normal frat guy.

00:06:39.100 And you have to wonder if this guy was radicalized in college.

00:06:45.120 I mean, we have seen, you know, one of the quotes,

00:06:48.080 he was just a normal frat guy.

00:06:49.540 He played beer pong.

00:06:50.540 Some girls thought he was hot. 0.64

00:06:53.620 That dynamic, look, at some point, you know,

00:06:57.100 there's a video online of him giving his commencement speech in high school,

00:07:01.560 and he comes across as a pretty normal kid in high school.

00:07:04.560 And at some point between then and age 26, he became radicalized. 0.91

00:07:11.760 And we don't know at this point if the guy's just nuts. 0.93

00:07:17.220 I mean, Ted Kaczynski certainly, by all appearances, was nuts, 0.95

00:07:20.280 and maybe that was some of it, or if he's a radical or both.

00:07:26.100 But what we do know is the reaction of people on the left,

00:07:31.920 multiple people on the left, has been just disgusting.

00:07:38.380 And let me give an example.

00:07:40.100 I want you to listen to former Washington Post and New York Times reporter,

00:07:44.360 Taylor Lorenz, describing this murder.

00:07:47.020 And just listen to her.

00:07:49.060 I do believe in the sanctity of life,

00:07:51.120 and I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans,

00:07:55.280 joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like...

00:07:58.940 Joy? Serious?

00:07:59.420 I mean...

00:08:00.400 Joy in a man's execution?

00:08:02.020 Maybe not joy, but certainly not empathy.

00:08:06.240 Because, again...

00:08:06.720 We're watching the footage.

00:08:07.880 How can this make you joyful?

00:08:10.080 This guy's a husband, he's a father,

00:08:12.120 and he's being young down in the middle of Manhattan.

00:08:15.260 Why is that making you joyful?

00:08:16.460 There are tens of Americans that are being murdered.

00:08:18.160 So are the tens of thousands of Americans,

00:08:21.180 innocent Americans,

00:08:22.420 who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one

00:08:27.900 push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people.

00:08:31.580 The many millions of Americans that have watched people that I care about

00:08:34.800 suffer and, in some cases, die because of lack of health care. 0.99

00:08:38.020 So should they all be killed, then? 1.00

00:08:39.460 Should they all be killed, these health care executives? 1.00

00:08:41.640 Would that make you even more joyful? 1.00

00:08:43.760 No, that would not.

00:08:45.100 I don't know how, by the way, in journalism you can keep your job

00:08:49.780 if you go on national TV and you say something like this,

00:08:53.440 but apparently if you're on the left, you can say this.

00:08:56.160 You can say you found joy in watching a man with children and a wife

00:09:01.380 who has a job walking down the street in New York City be executed, 0.77

00:09:05.940 and she's seeing the footage.

00:09:07.060 It's like, well, I mean, you know, it's joy.

00:09:08.600 Okay, maybe it's that total joy.

00:09:09.960 I believe her when she said it was joy.

00:09:11.620 I think that there's many out there, and we're seeing it on social media center,

00:09:15.800 that are cheerful and joyful that this is happening because it's like they've decided

00:09:20.740 that, hey, there can be an enemies list now, and we can murder or advocate for offing

00:09:26.500 any person in any position of power that we don't like,

00:09:30.580 and we're going to normalize it in America, and that is dangerous.

00:09:33.560 Well, let me say, Taylor Lorenz's comments there are sick and twisted, 0.99

00:09:40.000 and she should be treated as a deranged lunatic because she is. 1.00

00:09:46.220 She is openly celebrating. 0.99

00:09:48.060 She feels joy at someone, someone she's never met, being murdered.

00:09:52.840 Why?

00:09:53.240 Because she hates all health insurance companies. 0.78

00:09:57.200 She hates, you know what? 0.94

00:09:59.220 She's another anti-capitalist nutjob, but not just nutjob, who feels joy at the murder 1.00

00:10:07.480 of her political enemies.

00:10:08.840 Listen, Taylor Lorenz, my understanding is she was raised in enormous wealth,

00:10:13.040 an enormous privilege, and there's nothing worse than rich liberals who are eager.

00:10:18.120 We saw the same reaction when Donald Trump was almost assassinated, when he was shot,

00:10:23.500 and people on the left bemoaning that the assassin did not kill Donald Trump.

00:10:32.180 That is, and Taylor Lorenz is not some fringe journalist.

00:10:37.360 She was a reporter both for the Washington Post and the New York Times,

00:10:41.120 and that approach is typical.

00:10:42.880 I want you to listen now to a University of Pennsylvania professor,

00:10:46.460 Julia Alexeyeva, talking about this assassination.

00:10:53.500 That is her playing that famous song, and above her it says,

00:11:10.380 have never been prouder to be a professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

00:11:14.920 Now, referring to the fact that he, the shooter, this man of madness,

00:11:23.020 and the executioner, went to the University of Pennsylvania.

00:11:27.100 So, let me be clear, and I don't know Professor Alexeyeva, but Penn should fire her. 0.99

00:11:33.880 She is playing, that is a song from Les Mis, celebrating the French Revolution. 0.71

00:11:38.140 Apparently, the good professor wants the guillotine in the streets, wants to murder more CEOs. 0.82

00:11:44.720 She's cheering. 0.98

00:11:45.880 She's proud.

00:11:47.240 My university graduated a murderer, and she's celebrating.

00:11:52.120 This person should not be teaching young people.

00:11:54.540 This professor should be fired, because this is the kind of radical view.

00:12:00.400 And look, I also want to play a couple of folks from TikTok,

00:12:04.960 and this is emblematic of how leftists are not only normalizing this,

00:12:13.240 but you know who they're angry at?

00:12:14.760 They're furious that a McDonald's employee saw this murderer and turned him in.

00:12:20.700 And, okay, here is one TikToker, a transgender influencer, apparently, on TikTok,

00:12:28.520 and we'll leave the name off, but play what they said on TikTok.

00:12:32.300 They caught the guy that killed the UHC CEO.

00:12:35.680 For such a professional hit, it's kind of weird that the gunman didn't leave the U.S.

00:12:40.660 The guy that reported it was a McDonald's worker.

00:12:43.860 I would never advocate for violence on my page, 0.98

00:12:46.820 but it would be pretty funny if we beat the s*** out of him, 0.85

00:12:51.260 and then when he went to the hospital that if he was out of network 0.94

00:12:54.780 and had to pay a huge bill, I think that would be funny.

00:12:57.860 I'm not advocating for it, but it would bring a smile to my face.

00:13:04.560 Okay, you are advocating for it.

00:13:07.340 She also rolled her eyes when she said,

00:13:09.000 I would never advocate for violence on my page.

00:13:11.940 She did a sarcastic eye roll for people that can't see what we were watching. 0.90

00:13:17.540 And you know what?

00:13:20.300 That TikTok leftist is feeling the same joy Taylor Lorenz is,

00:13:26.880 and is saying, wouldn't it be wonderful if someone beat up this McDonald's employee?

00:13:32.820 You want to talk about catching a murderer in a normal, sane time?

00:13:38.260 And listen, let's be clear.

00:13:39.680 You and I, we disagree with people on the radical left,

00:13:42.720 but nobody should be subject to political violence,

00:13:46.660 whether I agree with you or don't agree with you.

00:13:49.680 Murder is wrong, period, the end.

00:13:53.020 And all right, play another TikToker to give a sense of just,

00:13:58.520 for the left, listen, this is the cultural rot of being told,

00:14:04.120 if someone is on the other side,

00:14:07.700 they are not human,

00:14:08.540 they do not count,

00:14:10.080 and violence is perfectly acceptable.

00:14:11.920 Play this other TikToker.

00:14:13.620 Okay, so they've arrested our hot CEO assassin.

00:14:17.220 Turns out his name's Luigi.

00:14:19.420 He's 26 years old.

00:14:21.160 He's an Ivy League grad.

00:14:23.540 Did his undergrad and master's at Penn in computer science.

00:14:28.480 That's my type.

00:14:29.380 He's a little young for me,

00:14:30.180 but baby, what is you doing getting caught eating at McDonald's

00:14:37.300 and curse you, McDonald's employee, for turning him in.

00:14:42.160 But I get it.

00:14:43.020 They upped the reward to $60,000.

00:14:45.580 Maybe you needed that money.

00:14:46.900 I never understood those crazy women that wrote inmates in jail, 1.00

00:14:51.540 but I could see myself doing that.

00:14:54.180 I mean, this is an older lady and she refers to him as the hot assassin 0.91

00:15:00.440 and then says, curse you, McDonald's employee, for turning him in,

00:15:04.620 but maybe you need the $60,000 and that's why he did it.

00:15:07.040 No, maybe the McDonald's employees actually just did the right thing

00:15:10.120 because they saw an assassin sitting in the McDonald's

00:15:13.500 and they said, hey, I want to make sure this guy doesn't take out another innocent person.

00:15:17.900 Well, and notice, you know, she says,

00:15:21.080 what is you doing, not committing murder, but getting caught?

00:15:25.660 Like, how dare you get caught?

00:15:27.880 I don't want you to get caught.

00:15:29.400 She's like, I want to write love letters to this murderer.

00:15:32.580 And hot assassin was trending on Twitter today.

00:15:37.600 And the left is glamorizing.

00:15:39.540 And understand, there is a reason for this.

00:15:42.000 And this is something you and I have talked about a lot,

00:15:44.360 which is, this is cultural Marxism.

00:15:47.540 This is the fruits of cultural Marxism.

00:15:49.920 These are the same people that are cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah 0.92

00:15:53.800 and cheering on the murderers and rapists of Hamas 0.63

00:15:58.180 and are cheering on October 7th that are on college campuses 0.81

00:16:01.980 waving signs saying, we love Hamas, we support Hamas. 0.81

00:16:06.080 These are the same radicals who are screaming at Jewish students,

00:16:10.420 as they did at the University of Washington, 0.75

00:16:12.100 go back to the gas chambers and the ovens.

00:16:15.860 This is, and we've talked about it.

00:16:18.520 My most recent book, Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America,

00:16:23.600 it traces the growth of cultural Marxism that started in the universities.

00:16:30.040 And the universities are training young people that the basic Marxist dialectic,

00:16:36.400 dialectic, the dichotomy, is between the oppressors and the victims.

00:16:43.260 And the oppressors and victims, in this case,

00:16:46.760 Karl Marx's original Communist Manifesto,

00:16:49.300 the oppressors were the capitalists.

00:16:51.200 The oppressors were the owners of capital.

00:16:53.480 And the workers were the victims.

00:16:56.280 And what Marxists are taught is that the so-called oppressors are evil and bad

00:17:02.520 and the so-called victims are good and noble.

00:17:05.140 And Marxists advocate the violent revolution of the so-called victims

00:17:10.280 against the so-called oppressors.

00:17:11.740 And that violent revolution almost invariably involves murder.

00:17:17.420 However, there is a reason that the cultural Marxists on campus are celebrating 0.92

00:17:26.600 Hamas, who murdered 1,200 Israelis, who raped women and little girls.

00:17:32.020 And to be clear, like Black Lives Matter, 0.95

00:17:33.920 the Chicago chapter of Black Lives Matter, right after October 7th,

00:17:37.300 tweeted out an image,

00:17:38.700 we support Palestine.

00:17:40.600 And it was an image of a paraglider.

00:17:42.500 And to be clear, this was not,

00:17:44.720 they were not engaging in a debate about a two-state solution in the Middle East.

00:17:50.800 That one can, reasonable people can disagree on that question.

00:17:54.980 They were explicitly, the paragliders are what the Hamas terrorist rode, 0.79

00:17:59.900 flew in on, to murder predominantly young people,

00:18:04.220 young Jewish people at the music festival outside. 0.61

00:18:06.900 They gunned them down. 0.70

00:18:07.920 I have met repeatedly with families of people who were raped,

00:18:11.380 people who were murdered on October 7th.

00:18:13.300 It was grotesque.

00:18:14.420 It was evil.

00:18:15.160 And Black Lives Matter was saying,

00:18:17.400 you're our people.

00:18:18.220 We stand with you.

00:18:19.760 And that is the doctrine of cultural Marxism

00:18:24.240 that has infested our universities for years after years after years.

00:18:29.660 You know, this professor at Penn that is celebrating,

00:18:32.400 she's celebrating because she wants

00:18:34.800 the violent overthrow of the so-called oppressors.

00:18:38.720 And you know what?

00:18:39.980 Taylor Lorenz has been taught the same nonsense.

00:18:42.180 And the problem is cultural Marxism.

00:18:44.160 It has spread from the universities to K-12 education,

00:18:47.700 to journalism,

00:18:48.640 to big business,

00:18:49.720 to big tech,

00:18:50.420 to entertainment.

00:18:51.180 It has spread,

00:18:52.100 it has spread like a cancer.

00:18:55.920 And,

00:18:56.120 and,

00:18:56.700 you know,

00:18:57.940 there was another image that,

00:18:59.760 that went viral online.

00:19:01.560 And why don't you tell people about,

00:19:03.720 about the image that was being sent around today?

00:19:06.340 Canadian women are looking for more, 1.00

00:19:08.440 more out of themselves,

00:19:09.500 their businesses,

00:19:10.440 their elected leaders,

00:19:11.420 and the world around them.

00:19:12.580 And that's why we're thrilled to introduce

00:19:14.240 the Honest Talk podcast.

00:19:16.280 I'm Jennifer Stewart.

00:19:17.480 And I'm Catherine Clark.

00:19:18.480 And in this podcast,

00:19:19.940 we interview Canada's most inspiring women.

00:19:22.520 Entrepreneurs,

00:19:23.200 artists,

00:19:23.880 athletes,

00:19:24.480 politicians,

00:19:25.200 and newsmakers,

00:19:26.080 all at different stages of their journey.

00:19:28.260 So if you're looking to connect,

00:19:30.080 then we hope you'll join us.

00:19:31.500 Listen to the Honest Talk podcast

00:19:32.880 on iHeartRadio

00:19:33.880 or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

00:19:37.300 Yeah,

00:19:37.860 this was another one.

00:19:38.840 And I saw it earlier today.

00:19:40.380 And,

00:19:40.540 and I think it goes to even a broader conversation

00:19:43.560 about where we are in this country

00:19:46.960 when it comes to the left,

00:19:48.260 where it seems that they want to normalize

00:19:51.960 the execution of anyone they disagree with.

00:19:55.200 We've seen that with Donald Trump.

00:19:57.020 Now,

00:19:57.620 there's this picture that was put out,

00:19:59.760 well put together,

00:20:00.480 says health insurance CEO compensation.

00:20:03.120 Has a CEO of Sigma,

00:20:04.340 making 21 million in his name.

00:20:06.460 WellCare,

00:20:07.140 the salary,

00:20:07.980 23.5 million in the name.

00:20:09.860 Humana,

00:20:10.360 16.3 million.

00:20:11.800 The list goes on and on.

00:20:13.120 The total list is eight different CEOs.

00:20:15.520 CBS Health,

00:20:16.700 the CEO is a great example on this list.

00:20:18.680 And all of their pictures are in color.

00:20:22.120 And then the eighth person on the list,

00:20:25.280 at the bottom right is UnitedHealthcare,

00:20:27.440 Brian Thompson,

00:20:28.760 10.2 million.

00:20:30.340 And his picture is in black and white.

00:20:33.020 It is very clear that his picture is in black and white for the,

00:20:37.360 hey,

00:20:37.700 he has been killed.

00:20:38.980 We've taken him out.

00:20:39.960 The rest are still living there in color.

00:20:43.600 And this started to go out on social media left and right.

00:20:47.260 And it's obviously the people that want this out there.

00:20:50.360 It's like,

00:20:50.680 here's our kill list.

00:20:51.800 We started with Brian Thompson.

00:20:54.020 Now,

00:20:54.560 here's all the other ones that are still alive,

00:20:56.500 making even more money than he's making.

00:20:59.040 Look,

00:20:59.540 it is twisted. 0.98

00:21:00.760 It is sick.

00:21:01.600 We're getting reports of certainly healthcare CEOs,

00:21:05.840 but CEOs across the country who are upping their expenditures in,

00:21:09.560 in the personal security,

00:21:10.840 because the left is,

00:21:13.420 is reveling in this sort of murder.

00:21:16.880 And let me be clear.

00:21:17.800 Murder is wrong.

00:21:19.300 Period.

00:21:19.920 The end,

00:21:20.560 regardless of your politics,

00:21:22.020 regardless of whether I agree with you or disagree with you,

00:21:25.980 nobody should be subject to violence.

00:21:29.220 And,

00:21:29.240 and yet let's go to some of our favorite people,

00:21:32.680 the always charming and wonderful and reasonable host to the view.

00:21:37.660 They were,

00:21:38.900 were very unhappy.

00:21:39.860 They were very unhappy today because I called out the extremist left for

00:21:44.920 their violence and,

00:21:46.460 and,

00:21:46.700 and their willingness to,

00:21:48.780 to engage in assassinations and to try to assassinate,

00:21:52.280 to assassinate this CEO, 0.95

00:21:54.140 to try to assassinate Donald Trump and, 0.87

00:21:56.200 and give a listen to Joy Behar,

00:21:57.580 are just,

00:21:58.500 just,

00:21:58.940 just whining about,

00:22:00.620 oh,

00:22:00.980 don't,

00:22:01.340 don't blame us leftists for this,

00:22:03.420 even though we're the ones celebrating.

00:22:05.740 Of course,

00:22:06.620 Ted Cruz has to politicize it and say that it's a left wing thing.

00:22:10.960 I mean,

00:22:11.300 the,

00:22:11.540 the,

00:22:11.940 I think it was the second attempted assassination on Trump was a kid who was a registered Republican who also voted for Biden and had a lot of left wing stuff on his social media.

00:22:23.100 But I don't think that this is,

00:22:24.800 as you say,

00:22:25.540 it's not a political issue.

00:22:27.420 And why does Ted Cruz insist on dividing Americans even further is my question to him.

00:22:35.020 Senator,

00:22:35.660 you listen to the view and,

00:22:37.280 and I mean,

00:22:37.700 you want to talk about stretches.

00:22:39.140 So now you're somehow politicizing people that were trying to assassinate and actually shot Donald Trump and you're calling out the rhetoric.

00:22:50.880 And now they say somehow not only is orange man bad,

00:22:54.180 but Ted Cruz is bad as well.

00:22:56.700 Well,

00:22:57.220 and,

00:22:57.420 and look,

00:22:57.920 the,

00:22:58.080 you know,

00:22:58.620 the,

00:22:58.860 the hosts of the view are just denying reality.

00:23:01.740 Joy,

00:23:01.980 every word that just came out of joy's mouth is complete nonsense is, 1.00

00:23:05.660 is babbling idiocy. 1.00

00:23:07.740 And, 1.00

00:23:07.760 and listen,

00:23:08.420 I got to say,

00:23:08.880 I,

00:23:09.040 I went on,

00:23:09.780 on the view for,

00:23:11.060 for my second book and my third book.

00:23:14.000 And,

00:23:14.560 and,

00:23:15.040 and when I went on for,

00:23:16.460 for,

00:23:16.660 for my third book,

00:23:18.000 uh,

00:23:18.320 justice corrupted how the left has weaponized our legal system.

00:23:21.520 Uh,

00:23:22.420 you know,

00:23:22.700 the view came after me like,

00:23:24.980 like,

00:23:25.320 like,

00:23:25.620 like vultures descending from the sky trying to consume my liver.

00:23:30.460 And they were screaming at me from multiple directions.

00:23:33.100 Uh,

00:23:33.500 we actually had protesters stand up in the middle of the,

00:23:35.800 the,

00:23:36.100 the show and,

00:23:36.920 and disrupt the show,

00:23:38.020 which had apparently never happened before,

00:23:40.020 but,

00:23:40.700 but they're screaming at me.

00:23:41.700 Well,

00:23:41.900 aren't right wingers all violent protesters and you guys,

00:23:46.860 it was all about January 6th and you're violent, 0.72

00:23:48.720 you're violent,

00:23:49.200 you're violent. 0.95

00:23:50.400 Ironically,

00:23:51.000 it,

00:23:51.240 it,

00:23:51.540 it,

00:23:51.980 that's what she was saying.

00:23:53.420 And I,

00:23:53.600 and it wasn't joy.

00:23:54.360 Joy was not on that,

00:23:55.340 on that show,

00:23:56.140 but,

00:23:56.700 but I turned to them and said,

00:23:58.100 look,

00:23:58.540 violence is wrong.

00:23:59.960 It's wrong.

00:24:00.620 Whether I agree with you or disagree with you,

00:24:02.400 anyone who committed an act of violence,

00:24:03.880 anyone who has assaulted a police officer,

00:24:05.620 they should be prosecuted.

00:24:07.680 Speech,

00:24:08.300 peaceful speech is protected by the constitution.

00:24:10.760 But,

00:24:11.320 but I also said,

00:24:12.520 you want to talk about violence?

00:24:13.940 I'm willing to say,

00:24:15.040 put anyone in jail who commits active violence.

00:24:16.800 Are you?

00:24:17.400 And I,

00:24:18.160 and I,

00:24:18.260 I asked on that show,

00:24:19.820 what about the Black Lives Matter and Antifa riots all over the country in 2020 that burned American cities across the country?

00:24:27.200 And Whoopi Goldberg looked at me and said,

00:24:29.460 I don't know what a,

00:24:30.220 what an Antifa riot is.

00:24:31.920 Like,

00:24:32.200 like they're literally living in an alternative reality where they just,

00:24:38.540 they,

00:24:38.960 they,

00:24:39.260 they just erase the embrace of violence on the left.

00:24:43.240 You know,

00:24:44.140 Whoopi,

00:24:44.480 maybe you remember Kamala Harris raising money to bail out of jail,

00:24:49.940 the violent rioters who burned Minneapolis and,

00:24:55.500 and looted stores and,

00:24:57.060 and,

00:24:57.240 and violently assaulted people.

00:24:58.920 This is who the radical left cheers for celebrates,

00:25:04.100 you know,

00:25:04.640 joy ought to ask herself,

00:25:06.220 why does fellow leftist Taylor Lorenz find joy in this cold blooded murder?

00:25:13.420 And,

00:25:14.000 and,

00:25:14.400 you know,

00:25:15.780 she,

00:25:15.980 she's not going to answer that.

00:25:16.980 By the way,

00:25:17.360 I will say the irony,

00:25:18.940 the fourth book I wrote on woke about cultural Marxism.

00:25:23.440 The view refused to have me on.

00:25:25.120 They'd had me on twice.

00:25:26.460 It apparently had not gone well to them because they're used to just

00:25:29.800 screaming one point of view and not,

00:25:31.900 not having to face disagreement.

00:25:34.000 And so they said,

00:25:34.780 Nope,

00:25:35.020 Nope,

00:25:35.220 sorry.

00:25:35.520 You're no longer welcome in the show.

00:25:36.720 We,

00:25:36.920 we don't want anything other than our one-sided view of,

00:25:40.800 of,

00:25:41.060 of,

00:25:41.320 of propaganda that we're,

00:25:43.420 that we're spewing.

00:25:44.180 And that's what they continue to do.

00:25:45.900 No doubt about it.

00:25:46.820 And if you look at this story,

00:25:47.960 we just talked about,

00:25:48.820 and you compare it and contrast it to how the media is handling the Daniel

00:25:52.200 Penny story of him being not found,

00:25:54.760 not guilty in that subway chokehold trial.

00:25:57.820 You can see just how much they push a narrative,

00:26:01.020 depending on who you are,

00:26:02.720 you're a veteran and,

00:26:03.640 and,

00:26:03.900 and helping people from a violent individual.

00:26:05.780 Oh, 0.99

00:26:06.080 you're a bad person. 0.85

00:26:07.080 I want to break that down for you in just a moment as well. 0.53

00:26:09.680 But first,

00:26:10.180 let me tell you about the international fellowship of Christians and Jews.

00:26:13.600 This Christmas and Hanukkah season is a time of hope and peace for many of us.

00:26:18.440 But for those in Israel right now facing the ongoing war,

00:26:23.020 it is a time of fear and uncertainty.

00:26:25.520 The hardships are felt by everyone with many people struggling to afford food and basic necessities.

00:26:32.140 Mike,

00:26:32.860 my good friend,

00:26:33.420 Clay Travis is over there right now,

00:26:35.200 and he is looking at where these atrocities took place and putting videos out on social media.

00:26:40.260 And it's a reminder.

00:26:41.560 If you go look at them of just how awful it has been for the people in Israel.

00:26:47.240 Now,

00:26:48.100 during this holiday season,

00:26:49.540 many living through the war in the Holy land are grieving the loss of loved ones while also ensuring isolation and hunger.

00:26:57.360 We must not let them feel forgotten by the rest of the world.

00:27:01.380 And that's why I'm partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

00:27:05.320 Your special holiday gift to the fellowship helps provide a Hanukkah food box filled with basic necessities and essentials to bring nourishment,

00:27:14.220 warmth,

00:27:14.560 and comfort to someone desperately in need.

00:27:17.240 Give the gift of hope and answered prayers this holiday season by going to supportifcj.org to donate right now.

00:27:26.740 That's supportifcj.org.

00:27:29.840 You can also call to give over the phone at 888-488-IFCJ.

00:27:36.040 That's 888-488-4325.

00:27:40.080 Senator,

00:27:41.520 let's move to this other story.

00:27:43.000 And it involves Daniel Penney.

00:27:44.540 And thank goodness he was found not guilty.

00:27:47.040 Many people,

00:27:47.920 if you don't remember the story,

00:27:49.880 he was an individual that was protecting innocent people from a violent individual on the subway,

00:27:57.640 on the train in New York.

00:27:59.360 And he did it because he feared for not only his life,

00:28:04.220 but for others that he was threatening.

00:28:06.500 And Daniel Penney did what I would hope that many men would do,

00:28:12.540 which is to stand in and to help people that are in need,

00:28:16.280 especially if there's someone that is violent.

00:28:18.100 But the media immediately flipped this into a,

00:28:22.540 oh, 0.95

00:28:22.680 white guy chokehold on an African-American.

00:28:25.960 This was right in the middle of a lot of the police brutality issues that we were dealing with in this country

00:28:30.360 and the stories.

00:28:31.500 And this was a perfect narrative.

00:28:32.800 And they went after this guy.

00:28:34.360 And they also found out,

00:28:35.360 oh,

00:28:35.440 he's a veteran.

00:28:36.600 Well,

00:28:36.960 a lot in the media don't like veterans.

00:28:38.720 And so it was a double whammy.

00:28:40.500 And they wanted to put this guy in jail for a very long time.

00:28:44.620 Now,

00:28:44.840 thank goodness on the,

00:28:46.220 some on the jury said,

00:28:47.620 we're not doing this.

00:28:49.120 This was a victory.

00:28:50.160 And yet they're still attacking him,

00:28:52.300 even though now he's been found innocent.

00:28:55.880 Well,

00:28:56.000 thank God that Daniel Penney was acquitted,

00:28:58.700 found not guilty by a jury of his peers,

00:29:00.920 not guilty of criminally negligent homicide.

00:29:03.460 As you noted,

00:29:04.280 Daniel Penney is a 26 year old Marine veteran.

00:29:08.160 He's an architecture student.

00:29:09.780 And,

00:29:10.380 and he was charged by Alvin Bragg with both manslaughter,

00:29:14.620 and criminally negligent homicide for the death of Jordan Neely.

00:29:22.460 Jordan Neely was a 30 year old homeless man who had schizophrenia,

00:29:26.020 who barged into a train,

00:29:28.540 was shouting death threats.

00:29:29.860 And he was high on,

00:29:31.980 on a synthetic marijuana known as,

00:29:34.360 as K2.

00:29:35.820 Now,

00:29:36.220 now it really is striking.

00:29:37.840 The murderer of the United healthcare CEO was a 26 year old.

00:29:42.620 And the left is celebrating that 26 year old murderer.

00:29:46.620 In this instance,

00:29:48.200 Penney is not a murderer.

00:29:50.420 It is not murder.

00:29:51.660 Self-defense is not murder.

00:29:54.560 Defending yourself.

00:29:55.880 If,

00:29:56.300 if,

00:29:56.540 if you have a reasonable fear for your safety or the safety of others,

00:30:01.540 you have a right to defend yourself.

00:30:03.020 That is not murder.

00:30:04.800 Uh,

00:30:05.040 and,

00:30:05.480 and that's what the jury concluded.

00:30:07.320 And,

00:30:07.840 and this case should never have been brought.

00:30:11.120 Uh,

00:30:11.440 if you look at the facts,

00:30:13.080 uh,

00:30:14.140 the,

00:30:14.320 the,

00:30:14.500 the,

00:30:14.640 the facts of,

00:30:15.680 of,

00:30:15.900 of what happened here,

00:30:17.240 uh,

00:30:18.100 were horrific.

00:30:20.120 And,

00:30:20.760 and so,

00:30:22.080 so the incident happened on May 1st,

00:30:23.940 2023.

00:30:24.560 And,

00:30:25.160 and,

00:30:25.380 and,

00:30:25.520 and Neely,

00:30:26.320 the,

00:30:26.480 the,

00:30:26.680 uh,

00:30:27.440 barged onto an F train in Manhattan,

00:30:30.560 screaming death threats.

00:30:32.440 Um,

00:30:33.060 the,

00:30:33.400 the other passengers on the train afterwards said that they were thankful for Penny's intervention.

00:30:39.380 Neely had a long criminal record.

00:30:42.000 He had an active arrest warrant.

00:30:44.640 He had a history of psychosis and he was high on K2,

00:30:48.260 which is a synthetic form of marijuana.

00:30:50.240 Um,

00:30:51.940 if you look at what has happened in,

00:30:54.900 in New York with the violence and violence on subways,

00:30:57.820 just three days earlier,

00:31:00.720 a passenger standing on a subway had been stabbed with an ice pick on a J train,

00:31:07.260 uh,

00:31:08.480 about a month before a PBS reporter got sucker punched on a number four train.

00:31:15.880 A week before that,

00:31:17.660 an individual was shoved and hit the side of a moving R train.

00:31:24.680 That individual survived.

00:31:26.700 Uh,

00:31:27.260 and,

00:31:27.580 and this pattern,

00:31:28.740 uh,

00:31:29.880 you,

00:31:30.040 you,

00:31:30.280 you know,

00:31:30.740 one of the,

00:31:31.180 one of the witnesses,

00:31:32.560 uh,

00:31:33.840 on the train testified that Neely shouted someone would quote die that day.

00:31:40.340 And she went on to say,

00:31:42.280 quote,

00:31:42.500 I got scared by the tone that he was saying it.

00:31:44.980 I've seen situations,

00:31:46.480 but not like that.

00:31:48.160 And,

00:31:48.640 and,

00:31:48.840 and Penny gave an interview afterwards.

00:31:53.360 And,

00:31:53.880 and,

00:31:54.020 and,

00:31:54.220 and here's what Penny said.

00:31:55.400 He said,

00:31:56.180 said about,

00:31:57.040 uh,

00:31:57.420 about this,

00:31:58.280 this deranged homeless man,

00:32:00.280 quote, 0.75

00:32:00.720 he was talking gibberish,

00:32:02.120 but these guys are pushing people in front of trains and stuff.

00:32:05.320 There were more than 20 subway shoves in the year before Penny's encounter with Neely.

00:32:14.780 This case should never,

00:32:17.220 ever,

00:32:18.120 ever have been brought.

00:32:20.100 But Alvin Bragg is a radical leftist.

00:32:23.800 And so Alvin Bragg is a cultural Marxist.

00:32:27.840 He believes he is in abusing the justice system to target his enemies.

00:32:33.840 And for the cultural Marxists,

00:32:36.660 Penny is the oppressor because of his race,

00:32:40.140 because he's a white man and he's a veteran. 0.99

00:32:42.340 He is the oppressor. 0.99

00:32:44.020 And,

00:32:44.520 and Neely is the victim again,

00:32:47.000 because of his race.

00:32:48.120 Nevermind. 1.00

00:32:48.860 They don't care that he's a mentally ill criminal threatening to murder people. 1.00

00:32:52.960 That, 1.00

00:32:53.240 that,

00:32:53.360 that is his,

00:32:55.880 these are people that,

00:32:57.540 that,

00:32:58.120 you know,

00:32:58.680 presumably would have celebrated if Penny had been murdered,

00:33:01.920 because once they assign you to these two groups,

00:33:05.540 oppressor,

00:33:06.320 always,

00:33:06.900 always wrong.

00:33:07.860 Victim,

00:33:08.360 always,

00:33:08.880 always,

00:33:09.360 always right.

00:33:10.280 That is the radical ideology.

00:33:12.720 And,

00:33:13.140 and again,

00:33:14.420 the,

00:33:14.620 the,

00:33:14.800 the,

00:33:15.060 the reaction,

00:33:16.420 uh,

00:33:17.200 of the left.

00:33:18.240 It is precisely the opposite,

00:33:21.700 uh,

00:33:23.100 of the reaction.

00:33:24.400 And,

00:33:24.680 and by the way,

00:33:25.200 I want to point out,

00:33:26.400 there's a reason I'm using Daniel Penny's name.

00:33:29.020 He was innocent.

00:33:30.060 He was found not guilty by a jury.

00:33:32.840 There's a reason you and I have not used the name of the murderer who murdered the United

00:33:39.260 Healthcare CEO.

00:33:40.540 I try very hard not to repeat the names of murderers.

00:33:43.800 Many times these people want to be famous.

00:33:45.820 They want to be remembered.

00:33:46.940 And so I,

00:33:47.580 I,

00:33:47.800 I think as far as I'm concerned,

00:33:50.140 this,

00:33:50.560 this guy's name should be forgotten for all time,

00:33:53.540 but you know what?

00:33:54.500 The leftists are going to celebrate this,

00:33:56.540 celebrate him because that's their ideology.

00:33:59.520 Yeah,

00:34:00.020 no doubt about it.

00:34:01.100 This is one of those stories where I hope that people will stand up and say,

00:34:05.420 this is a hero and be proud to say he is a hero,

00:34:09.580 uh,

00:34:10.240 because that's exactly what he is.

00:34:12.260 Uh,

00:34:12.740 and we should celebrate heroes and we should not have to worry that when men,

00:34:16.920 men need to stand up and act to protect and defend people,

00:34:19.760 uh,

00:34:20.400 that they're going to do it and not have to worry about thinking twice because of

00:34:24.060 what just happened to this individual.

00:34:25.360 It's also a really sad commentary about New York and New York city and the

00:34:29.500 activist prosecutors there.

00:34:30.840 And I finally,

00:34:31.620 I want to get your thought on that with the prosecutors that went after him.

00:34:34.820 Should there be any scenario where he can in essence say,

00:34:40.280 Hey,

00:34:40.540 you guys didn't treat me the right way.

00:34:42.780 Look,

00:34:43.360 look,

00:34:43.600 I could easily see a lawsuit following from this.

00:34:47.280 I hope Alvin Bragg is thrown out of office.

00:34:49.960 I hope he is removed from office.

00:34:52.540 The governor has the authority to do that.

00:34:54.280 Of course,

00:34:54.700 the governor,

00:34:55.260 Kathy,

00:34:55.620 Kathy Hochul is a,

00:34:56.660 a leftist herself,

00:34:58.260 a cultural Marxist herself.

00:34:59.640 She's someone who,

00:35:00.460 by the way,

00:35:01.240 said,

00:35:01.660 if you're a Republican, 0.98

00:35:02.520 get the hell out of my state, 1.00

00:35:03.700 move to Florida, 1.00

00:35:04.320 you don't belong in New York.

00:35:05.900 That is their ideology.

00:35:07.460 If you are the enemy,

00:35:08.900 they are opposed to you.

00:35:10.320 I got to say,

00:35:10.960 I want you to listen to Daniel Penny and,

00:35:12.520 and him talking about how he was trying to protect other people's lives.

00:35:17.220 He was acting as,

00:35:18.540 as a good Samaritan acting as a hero,

00:35:21.200 intervening,

00:35:21.980 risking his own life.

00:35:23.100 Look, 1.00

00:35:23.320 encountering a mentally ill, 0.98

00:35:25.580 potentially violent person,

00:35:28.400 threatening violence is,

00:35:29.540 is a dangerous thing to do.

00:35:30.740 Here's what Daniel Penny had to say.

00:35:32.380 The guilt I would have felt if someone did get hurt,

00:35:36.000 if,

00:35:36.860 if he did do what he was threatening to do,

00:35:40.720 would never be able to live with myself.

00:35:43.060 And I'll,

00:35:43.800 I'll take a million court appearances and people calling me names and people hating me just to,

00:35:51.280 keep one of those people from getting hurt or killed.

00:35:55.040 Look,

00:35:55.520 that,

00:35:55.620 that,

00:35:56.300 that,

00:35:56.460 that is,

00:35:57.220 yes,

00:35:57.640 look,

00:35:58.240 and,

00:35:58.600 and,

00:35:58.900 of course,

00:36:00.200 how is the left reacting?

00:36:02.040 Well,

00:36:02.100 I want you to listen to MSNBC,

00:36:03.900 just,

00:36:05.080 just,

00:36:05.400 just expressing misery that,

00:36:08.580 that,

00:36:08.740 that,

00:36:09.020 that Daniel Penny was,

00:36:10.640 was acquitted.

00:36:11.420 And,

00:36:11.960 and understand,

00:36:12.780 by the way,

00:36:13.300 initially,

00:36:13.880 so,

00:36:14.260 so there were two charges,

00:36:15.500 uh,

00:36:16.380 that were brought.

00:36:17.080 Uh,

00:36:17.860 so Alvin Bragg brought two charges.

00:36:20.300 One charge,

00:36:21.320 uh,

00:36:22.100 was for manslaughter.

00:36:23.040 And the second charge was for,

00:36:25.240 uh,

00:36:26.640 criminally,

00:36:27.400 uh,

00:36:28.140 criminally,

00:36:28.600 criminally negligent homicide.

00:36:30.540 The jury deadlocked,

00:36:32.660 uh,

00:36:33.520 on,

00:36:33.900 on the,

00:36:34.340 on the second degree manslaughter,

00:36:35.940 uh,

00:36:36.720 claim,

00:36:37.060 which was the more serious charge.

00:36:38.560 So,

00:36:39.160 so that means they had a disagreement.

00:36:40.700 They could not come to,

00:36:41.900 to agreement.

00:36:42.460 And so what,

00:36:43.940 what did Alvin Bragg do?

00:36:45.400 Well,

00:36:45.600 Alvin Bragg moved to dismiss the more serious charge.

00:36:49.160 Um,

00:36:49.800 and,

00:36:50.160 and he was trying to get a conviction on the less serious charge.

00:36:53.420 And,

00:36:53.880 and I gotta say to the jury's credit,

00:36:55.700 they came back very quickly with a not guilty.

00:36:59.140 So the jury has determined he is,

00:37:01.040 he is innocent,

00:37:01.580 but listen to MSNBC and,

00:37:03.740 and just how upset they are,

00:37:05.200 uh,

00:37:05.560 that,

00:37:05.920 that this innocent man was found not guilty.

00:37:08.480 News here,

00:37:09.320 Daniel Penny found not guilty,

00:37:11.120 but Lisa,

00:37:11.520 so we also know that Jordan Neely's family had filed,

00:37:14.560 I believe a civil suit in this case as well.

00:37:17.060 Does the verdict in this case impact that?

00:37:20.000 Not necessarily.

00:37:21.280 I mean,

00:37:21.460 we,

00:37:21.820 the law is rife with examples of people who are acquitted in criminal cases and yet find justice with respect to civil accountability.

00:37:30.740 I think the best example of that is with respect to Fred Goldman's family,

00:37:34.960 Fred Goldman,

00:37:35.600 I'm sorry,

00:37:36.320 Ron Goldman being the man who was murdered alongside Nicole Brown Simpson,

00:37:40.440 even though OJ Simpson was never found criminally guilty for those two murders.

00:37:45.980 Fred Goldman,

00:37:46.480 the father,

00:37:47.480 along with his daughter,

00:37:49.100 then sued OJ Simpson civilly and won a fairly large verdict with respect to civil liability for OJ Simpson.

00:37:56.480 There are many other examples of similar disjuncture between what happens in a criminal court and what happens when respect to a wrongful death action,

00:38:03.720 for example,

00:38:04.360 by a family.

00:38:05.660 It's sad,

00:38:06.460 Senator,

00:38:06.660 but there seems to be another trend.

00:38:08.100 And that is,

00:38:08.700 if you are an innocent person and then you were found innocent of a crime,

00:38:12.980 if the media doesn't like you,

00:38:14.940 they're still going to act like you're a threat to society.

00:38:17.100 Well,

00:38:17.880 you look at,

00:38:18.540 that's a reporter,

00:38:19.260 Lisa Rubin on MSNBC,

00:38:21.040 who,

00:38:21.680 who,

00:38:21.920 who is calling for the mentally ill homeless man who was high on drugs and threatening to murder people on the train,

00:38:30.760 calling for him to find justice against the Marine who intervened to protect people and keep people safe.

00:38:38.960 And,

00:38:39.200 and,

00:38:39.360 and she analogizes it to the OJ Simpson case,

00:38:42.860 which is utterly absurd because look,

00:38:45.720 OJ Simpson was charged with,

00:38:48.760 and the facts were,

00:38:49.600 were pretty powerful,

00:38:50.540 was guilty of murder.

00:38:52.480 Now,

00:38:52.600 to be fair,

00:38:53.100 OJ Simpson was not found guilty of murder,

00:38:55.240 but there was significant evidence that OJ was guilty.

00:38:59.200 There was significant enough evidence that,

00:39:01.660 that he ended up being hit with a,

00:39:04.500 with a large civil judgment.

00:39:06.820 This is not remotely,

00:39:08.680 there's no argument,

00:39:10.400 no rational,

00:39:11.620 reasonable argument under the law that Daniel Penny is guilty of murder.

00:39:16.040 Self-defense is fully protected.

00:39:17.980 And by the way,

00:39:19.140 if perchance you don't believe me,

00:39:22.760 you ought,

00:39:23.420 you should listen to my former criminal law professor,

00:39:26.240 Alan Dershowitz.

00:39:26.960 Now,

00:39:27.140 Alan Dershowitz is a liberal.

00:39:29.600 He's been a liberal his whole life,

00:39:30.900 but he,

00:39:31.180 but he,

00:39:32.320 he has the courage to speak out and speak the truth and listen to what Alan Dershowitz,

00:39:38.660 said about this case and about the absolutely corrupt prosecutor,

00:39:44.460 Alvin Bragg.

00:39:45.260 I'm going to start off with just the immediate reaction to the not guilty verdict in the Daniel

00:39:48.900 Penny case.

00:39:49.880 I have to admit,

00:39:50.780 I was a little surprised having hung on the higher count.

00:39:53.900 I was not expecting that they would so quickly acquit on the lower count.

00:39:58.360 It probably shows that there were only one or two people in the original high count that hung based on their desire to see a conviction.

00:40:08.280 So I think it's a good thing.

00:40:10.600 Now,

00:40:10.720 I think the next step has to be the removal of Alvin Bragg from the role of district attorney. 0.77

00:40:15.760 He is a disgrace to the office.

00:40:18.180 The two cases he brought should never have been brought. 0.95

00:40:21.160 The case against Donald Trump,

00:40:22.560 which was made up out of whole cloth,

00:40:24.500 which to my mind involves unethical,

00:40:26.840 unprofessional conduct by Bragg and also this case,

00:40:30.060 which should never have been brought either.

00:40:32.720 He brought it only because of the racial component of the case and because of pressures from Black Lives Matter and other groups on the outside,

00:40:40.580 both white and black radicals who wanted these cases to be brought,

00:40:44.300 wanted this case to be brought,

00:40:45.740 and who are going to continue to complain,

00:40:47.640 even though there were obviously black members of the jury who voted to acquit as well.

00:40:52.720 Professor,

00:40:53.360 what do you make of how quickly they came back with this verdict?

00:40:56.600 And also,

00:40:57.180 too,

00:40:57.340 there's the civil case that he's also facing,

00:41:00.260 too,

00:41:00.360 Daniel Penny.

00:41:01.380 Does that,

00:41:03.000 given that he's not guilty on the criminal case,

00:41:05.300 what happens to the civil case as well?

00:41:07.740 It'll be thrown out.

00:41:09.300 There's no case there.

00:41:10.620 Civilly,

00:41:11.600 the only thing that will happen is that Penny will get an enormous amount of discovery and will get much more information that we don't now have about, 0.82

00:41:22.100 the alleged victim in the case.

00:41:24.720 So my prediction is it will be withdrawn.

00:41:27.680 I don't think they'll go any further.

00:41:29.760 I don't think they'll get any kind of a verdict.

00:41:31.960 Now,

00:41:32.360 you know,

00:41:32.660 maybe the city will settle if they sue the city as well.

00:41:38.020 If I were the lawyers for the alleged victim,

00:41:44.060 I'd probably think I'd have a better shot of getting some money from the city,

00:41:47.640 which was sympathetic,

00:41:48.940 obviously,

00:41:49.460 to the victim than from a poor former Marine who probably doesn't have a lot of money.

00:41:56.600 So I don't think the civil case is going anywhere.

00:41:59.220 This is not O.J. Simpson,

00:42:00.740 where the civil case won after the criminal case loss.

00:42:03.480 There was no case here to bring it all either civil or criminal.

00:42:07.320 Alan Dershowitz,

00:42:08.180 there seems to be optimistic and I'm glad he's saying,

00:42:11.980 Hey,

00:42:12.180 I don't think he's going to have to deal with what,

00:42:14.160 for example,

00:42:14.580 O.J. Simpson had to deal with.

00:42:16.220 This is very different.

00:42:17.440 I hope he's right.

00:42:19.160 Well,

00:42:19.580 listen,

00:42:20.080 Alan Dershowitz,

00:42:21.260 he's a good friend.

00:42:21.980 As I said,

00:42:22.380 he was my criminal law professor and,

00:42:24.460 and I actually took another class from him in law school as well.

00:42:27.940 He was a fantastic professor.

00:42:29.180 He was the best professor I had in law school.

00:42:30.620 And he's a brilliant lawyer.

00:42:32.120 He's an incredibly talented lawyer.

00:42:34.760 And,

00:42:34.820 and you know,

00:42:36.100 I,

00:42:36.200 I remember my,

00:42:37.500 my first year in law school when,

00:42:39.160 when Dershowitz was stood up and he said,

00:42:42.200 listen,

00:42:42.800 he said,

00:42:43.540 by,

00:42:43.880 by any reasonable measure,

00:42:45.640 I am in the most liberal 1% of Americans across this country.

00:42:50.320 And he said,

00:42:51.380 at Harvard law school,

00:42:52.540 oddly enough,

00:42:53.120 I'm considered something of a conservative.

00:42:54.720 This is not America.

00:42:59.420 I don't remember if he said this is not America,

00:43:01.060 but this is not a typical place.

00:43:02.480 I mean,

00:43:02.600 this was 30 years ago.

00:43:04.120 So I'm,

00:43:04.540 I'm paraphrasing,

00:43:06.040 but,

00:43:06.220 but his point was,

00:43:07.600 so Dershowitz believes in free speech.

00:43:11.100 That is no longer where the left is.

00:43:13.180 The left is eager to censor someone who disagrees.

00:43:16.200 Dershowitz does not celebrate the murder of those he disagrees with.

00:43:20.460 Dershowitz is not a cultural Marxist.

00:43:22.000 He's an old school liberal.

00:43:24.180 He's a civil libertarian.

00:43:25.560 He,

00:43:25.660 he is,

00:43:27.620 you know,

00:43:28.380 has represented criminal defendants successfully.

00:43:30.740 He's gotten a lot of criminal defense off.

00:43:32.300 He believes in a,

00:43:33.040 a vigorous protection of constitutional rights for criminal defendants.

00:43:37.400 And,

00:43:38.040 and I look,

00:43:39.300 I,

00:43:39.580 I respect his courage.

00:43:41.020 He's been demonized.

00:43:43.000 He also supports Israel and speaks out very powerfully and effective for Israel.

00:43:47.040 He's been demonized by the left for doing so because they brook no dissent.

00:43:51.260 Anyone who dares oppose them is the enemy.

00:43:54.440 And so,

00:43:54.820 even though he's been one of the most prominent liberals in the country for decades,

00:44:00.820 uh,

00:44:01.320 he,

00:44:02.260 he is,

00:44:03.220 is rejected by today's left because he actually has the courage to speak out against them.

00:44:11.600 I hope he's right about the civil case.

00:44:13.700 In any sane and ordinary universe,

00:44:16.040 that would be true.

00:44:16.960 I have to say,

00:44:18.220 I have a little bit less confidence about a New York jury and a New York judge.

00:44:22.340 And,

00:44:22.860 and maybe that's because we all saw the,

00:44:25.500 the absolute kangaroo courts that were,

00:44:28.360 that were convened against Donald Trump.

00:44:30.040 And,

00:44:30.360 and,

00:44:30.480 and having seen the civil suits and,

00:44:33.040 and the,

00:44:33.640 the,

00:44:34.220 the,

00:44:34.480 the,

00:44:34.720 the criminal case against Donald Trump in the New York justice system,

00:44:37.840 uh,

00:44:38.940 he is right on what should happen.

00:44:41.240 Uh,

00:44:41.920 look,

00:44:42.260 I am very grateful that,

00:44:44.220 that,

00:44:44.460 that Daniel Penny was acquitted,

00:44:45.960 but it,

00:44:46.360 it says something about how little confidence I have about the justice system in New York,

00:44:51.440 that I was not sure this was happening,

00:44:53.140 would happen.

00:44:53.960 I,

00:44:54.180 I thought there was a chance,

00:44:55.520 uh,

00:44:56.400 they,

00:44:56.740 they would come back and,

00:44:58.120 and follow through on what Alvin Bragg wanted them to do,

00:45:01.080 which is punish him because he was deemed the bad guy.

00:45:05.420 And,

00:45:05.800 and,

00:45:05.980 and thankfully the,

00:45:07.340 the justice system worked in this case.

00:45:09.920 And you ought to ask yourself,

00:45:11.360 have you seen even a single Democrat celebrate the Daniel Penny verdict?

00:45:18.960 Yeah,

00:45:19.260 it's a great question.

00:45:20.800 And if not,

00:45:22.120 why not?

00:45:23.240 Don't forget,

00:45:23.980 we do this show Monday,

00:45:24.880 Wednesday,

00:45:25.240 and Friday.

00:45:25.800 Hit that subscribe or auto download button.

00:45:27.820 Please write us a five star review as well.

00:45:30.740 If you wouldn't mind,

00:45:31.720 it helps us reach new people.

00:45:33.460 Also on those in between days,

00:45:35.100 grab my podcast,

00:45:36.240 the Ben Ferguson podcast.

00:45:38.740 Uh,

00:45:39.020 and I,

00:45:39.560 uh,

00:45:39.760 we'll keep you updated on the latest breaking news on those in between days.

00:45:42.400 And the center and I will see you back here on Friday morning.

00:45:45.860 This is an I heart podcast.

00:45:48.720 Guaranteed human.

Verdict with Ted Cruz - December 11, 2024

Leftists Celebrate an Anti-Capitalist Murderer & Mourn the Acquittal of a Marine Who Saved his Fellow Subway Passengers from a Deranged Violent Criminal

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript