Liberals Still Blind on Illegal Immigration, Gangs ARE Taking Over CO Apartments & Importance of the Debt Ceiling Week In Review
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Ted Cruz explains why the immigration policies that cost the Democrats the election, and why they veered so far to the right, on the issue of illegal immigration. He also explains why he thinks it s a good idea to send illegal immigrants to other parts of the country.
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It is Verdict with Ted Cruz and our Week in Review.
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And these are the major stories that we talked about this week.
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not understanding exactly why the policies they have on illegal immigration
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Because of new polling data that proves they were out of touch with reality
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You may remember the left and the media said that there were not gangs
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from other countries that were taking over apartment complexes in Colorado.
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Well, we now have even more proof of just how extreme those gang members
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And finally, we have a big fight over the debt ceiling
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that is taking place as we speak in Washington.
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We'll break down the logistics of that as well.
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The Democratic Party is trying to figure it out.
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Was it really our policy on migrants and illegal immigrants?
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And there was a very interesting conversation that took place.
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And people, even on the left, were like, is this an aha moment?
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And I laugh because it's something that you actually said on this show a couple years ago.
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Jessica Tarlove and Katie Couric were talking about GOP governors sending illegal immigrants
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And specifically, we're talking about Ron DeSantis in Florida, Greg Abbott in Texas.
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On the immigration front, there was a tendency amongst Democrats,
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and especially Democrats, who are discussing the issue.
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So people who do interviews or are part of the media,
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to minimize it over the first two and a half years,
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when there were a lot of people coming in here.
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And I thought that it was a stunt, you know, when they started busing migrants.
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Well, it's interesting because I have a friend who lives in Florida.
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And I said, what did you think of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott
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taking some of these immigrants and moving them to northern states?
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Because nobody really was paying attention before that.
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And I do think that this untold story was the strain on social services and communities,
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particularly along the border, this influx, huge influx of immigrants was having.
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And I think the mainstream media, however you define that these days,
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I don't want to say that all the media is figuring it out, but it is pretty funny.
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The only problem is they were just a couple of years too late.
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Yeah, look, it's striking to hear Katie Couric admitting that.
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Now, as you know, this was an idea that I suggested three years ago.
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In October of 2021, I introduced a bill called the Surge Act.
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And the Surge Act was designed to create 13 new ports of entry to send illegal immigrants.
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And here's what my press release said at the time.
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If Washington Democrats had to endure even a fraction of the suffering South Texas families,
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farmers, ranchers, and small businesses have had to face,
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our nation's immigration laws would be in force,
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the wall would be built, and Remain in Mexico policy would be implemented.
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And so I introduced legislation to change the points of entry and add 13 new places.
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Block Island, Rhode Island, Greenwich, Connecticut, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts,
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Cambridge, Massachusetts, Governors Island, New York, Rehoboth Beach, Delaware,
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Nantucket, Massachusetts, Newport, Rhode Island, Scarsdale, New York, Palo Alto, California,
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Yuntville, California, St. Helena, California, and North Hero, Vermont.
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And the idea was all the places where rich liberals sit and sip Chardonnay
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and look down on people concerned about the open borders.
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And in fact, the county executive at Martha's Vineyard attacked me, attacked me by name.
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And he said, Cruz doesn't understand immigration.
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And he said, we in Martha's Vineyard would welcome illegal immigrants.
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Well, several months later, Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott took me up on what I had suggested.
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They sent 50 illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard.
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And of course, that same county executive within 24 hours declared an emergency
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and ended up deporting the 50 who had been sent.
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And I'll tell you, we actually covered this on Verdict several years ago.
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So I want you to play an old segment from Verdict.
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This is back when Michael Knowles and I were doing it.
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The voice is about to change a little bit, right?
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But this is us talking about it three years ago.
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They've just sent airplanes full of illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard.
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And then I had to think, you know, there's a certain podcast hosted by a certain senator
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from Texas that has been calling exactly for that for many weeks now.
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And I just can't help but wonder if that may have had some effect on this policy going into effect.
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I was thrilled when the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, took me up on the idea and began
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sending illegal immigrants first to D.C., then to New York, then to Chicago.
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It's had a fantastic event as these these Democratic mayors have lost their minds and
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The mayor of D.C. declared a national emergency or a city emergency because
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six thousand illegal immigrants were sent to D.C., of course.
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We've had since Joe Biden became president, we have had four point two million illegal
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immigrants cross illegally with Biden as president.
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It is larger than many of the states of our union.
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I mean, four point two million since Joe Biden put his hand on the Bible and took the oath
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And what is amazing about when when red state governors, first Texas, now Florida, are shipping
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to blue strongholds is the Democrats who talk a good game immediately flip tail.
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So I want to give you a quote on from Martha's Vineyard.
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When I introduced the legislation, you had Democrats, Democrats in the House of Representatives
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Um, but I want to read from the county commissioner of Martha's Vineyard, Keith Chattanova.
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And here's the quote he said about my legislation.
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I would love to see Martha's Vineyard become a haven for new immigrants in the country.
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But Senator Cruz has no idea what he's talking about regarding a border crisis.
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He went on to say immigrants make our country stronger, as evidenced by immigration from
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And he is trying to whip up racial anxieties for political gain, which is essentially the
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I want to see if after two, three, four, five, six, 10, 100 plane loads or bus loads, if
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And and now we're seeing that Democrats are actually saying, man, this is really effective.
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And by the way, three years ago, notice that number, 4.2 million illegal immigrants were
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You what has happened at our southern border is an experiment in radicalism that has never
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And and and I will say the actual sending of plane loads and bus loads of illegal immigrants
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to blue strongholds, it showed the complete and utter hypocrisy as every Democrat mayor,
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every Democrat governor, every Democrat county executive completely demonstrated everything
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And it broke through the media freeze out in a way nothing else did.
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I think Katie Couric's right that that that single action of demonstrating Democrat hypocrisy
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on this issue could well have decided the presidential election last month.
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Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, you can go back and listen to
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Speaking of conspiracy theories, it's six months ago, they said we're not real or five months
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or four months or three months or even two months ago.
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That brings me to the second big topic that we mentioned earlier.
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Let's go back to what the White House and the media said.
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They said that it was not happening, that there were not gangs that had been taking over
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apartment complexes and running these criminal gangs out of them in Aurora, Colorado.
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Then they said, well, it's only happening in a couple of them, not that many.
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And number two, you have 14 detained in Aurora, Colorado in a horrific home invasion that are
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Police are now saying when individuals were not only taken, but they were tortured.
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Well, Martha Raddatz at ABC dismissed this, said, oh, it's only a handful of apartment
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complexes, which with the classic contempt of the elite left looking down on little people
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that live in apartment buildings who are being terrorized.
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The headline from Fox News, 14 detained in armed Aurora, Colorado home invasion are likely
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Home invasion occurred at the edge at Lowry Apartments, where viral videos showed gang
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So the media told us, don't believe your lying eyes.
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Oddly enough, the same thing they're saying about the drone sightings in the sky.
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Quote, police in Aurora, Colorado, say the overnight armed home invasion at a local apartment
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complex that resulted in 14 suspects being detained was, quote, without question, a gang
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on Tuesday, police were called to the edge at Lowry Apartments for a reported armed home
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invasion in which the victims were kidnapped and assaulted, the Aurora police said.
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Aurora Police Department Chief Todd Chamberlain said during a Tuesday news conference that
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13 to 15 people, mostly males with some females, entered an apartment where two people were
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Police say the suspects took the migrant victims to another apartment at the same location
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One of the victims, a man, sustained a stab wound but is expected to survive, police said.
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Both of the victims are still at the hospital for treatment for their injuries.
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At some point, authorities said, the suspects released the victims who then called 911.
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So does that fall in the category of torture for me?
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That's the chief of police in Aurora, Colorado.
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And he went on to say, quote, this is without question a gang incident.
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I don't know which gang they're affiliated with yet.
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Chamberlain said that, quote, there is a high assumption that they may be affiliated with
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But he stopped short of declaring which gang in particular was involved because he could not
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Well, and let's go back to Martha Raddick, because this was when she was getting into it
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And again, this is it goes back to the lies when people don't trust the media or the government
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The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment complexes, and the mayor said our
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dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns.
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Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs, and Donald
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Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's open border.
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However, Americans are so fed up with what's going on, and they have every right to be.
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By the way, if it's your apartment complex, I think it is a big deal when you have it
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being taken over by a gang, and the government doesn't stop.
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Her home wasn't taken over by Venezuelan gangs.
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And listen, that liberal contempt for ordinary Americans is a big part of the reason we saw
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the overwhelming election results we did in November.
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Finally, Senator, I want to get to this other issue, and that is there's a study that has
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And it is one where, I guess you call it a poll, that young people in this country actually
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are understanding of the assassin in New York City who killed the healthcare CEO, saying
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it's almost justifiable that this is happening to people that work in industries they don't
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So Emerson College put out a poll, and they polled people's attitudes towards the healthcare
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Here's what they concluded, quote, a majority of voters, 68%, think the actions of the killer
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of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, are unacceptable.
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Only 68% of Americans think it is unacceptable to murder someone in cold blood.
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17% find the actions acceptable, murdering someone in cold blood, mind you, while 16% are
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Now, if you break it down a little more, here's what Emerson College continues, quote, while 68%
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of voters overall reject the killer's actions, younger voters and Democrats are more split.
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41% of voters aged 18 to 29 find the killer's actions acceptable, while 40% find them unacceptable.
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So according to Emerson College polls, more young people aged 18 to 29 find the cold-blooded
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murder of this CEO acceptable than find it unacceptable.
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And it's 41% to 40, if you break down that 41%, 24% say it is somewhat acceptable, and 17% say
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Yes, murder of CEO, we've been trained like good little Marxists, shoot them now.
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By the way, if you break it down on party lines, 22% of Democrats find them acceptable, while
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So over a fifth of Democrats think it's perfectly fine to murder a CEO, to murder a man in cold
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And the comparison among Republicans, 12% of Republicans find the actions acceptable, and
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16% of independents find the actions acceptable.
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I got to say, look, of all of those polls, the one that is the most horrifying is 41% of
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young people find the killer's actions acceptable, and only 40% find them unacceptable.
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So a plurality of young people say, hey, no problem, murder someone who's a CEO, that
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is as stunning an indictment of the brainwashing that young people are receiving in school,
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in K-12 education, in colleges and universities, and through the media, as anything I've ever
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It is an indoctrination, and it's also, I think, the radical left taking over education, and
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It's what you and I talked about on this podcast a couple days ago.
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The left has normalized the idea of assassinating people you disagree with who are in positions
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of power, and giving you reason to believe that it is justifiable.
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And remember, Joy Behar on The View said it was terrible that I said it was leftists who
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Well, look, that polling data shows it's Democrats, and it's young.
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It doesn't break it down by liberal or conservative, but I am very confident a significant percentage
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of those young people that think it's acceptable would also identify as leftists, and we know
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Anyway, this is, look, let me repeat what ought to be a simple proposition.
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Murder is always, always, always wrong, whether you like the person or not.
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And by the way, all the people who think the murder of this CEO is so horrible, they don't
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They don't know about any health care claims he denied.
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He was CEO of a major health care insurance company.
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Now, I get a lot of people don't like insurance companies.
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I've got issues with insurance companies, but this guy may be a wonderful human being.
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And yet, according to this poll, 41% of young people think perfectly okay to murder him.
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That is, we need to see people speaking out and saying, this is wrong, period, the end,
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not like, and we covered this in Monday's podcast, not like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders
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That would actually be a good and sensible and moral and reasonable position in what was
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understood throughout American history, at least in modern times.
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But, for the cultural Marxists, murder of the enemy, no problem.
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As before, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation on this topic, you can go
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I want to get back to the big story number three of the week you may have missed.
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There are some people arguing for eliminating the debt ceiling permanently, altogether.
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Just getting rid of the debt ceiling, never again having to worry about it.
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And by the way, one of the plans that's discussed is, well, the Democrats have always wanted to
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eliminate the debt ceiling, so let's just do that.
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Eliminating the debt ceiling would be the single worst step we could possibly take if you care about spending or deficits or debt.
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Historically, the debt ceiling has been the single greatest leverage Republicans have had to force spending restraint.
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Now, this has only happened and it's only worked against the opposing party.
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So, one of the challenges with the debt ceiling is when your own party is in power,
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Trump wants the debt ceiling raised, every president wants the debt ceiling raised.
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Republicans, as a general matter, are not willing to exert massive leverage on their own party's president and force spending restraint.
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So, when Trump was president the first time, the debt ceiling was not leveraged against Trump because Republicans didn't want to do that.
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But when Democrats are in the White House, Republicans, the debt ceiling is the single most effective lever point that has been used against Democrats
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Remains the single most effective spending restraint that has ever been passed into law.
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Phil Graham, former senator from Texas, was the lead author.
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It got passed because Republicans forced it and said,
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we won't raise the debt ceiling unless you pass meaningful structural reform to rein in spending.
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And Graham Hollings was in effect for many years and had a very positive effect reining in the growth of spending.
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And Republicans used the debt ceiling to force Barack Obama to agree to something called the Budget Control Act.
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The Budget Control Act, again, significantly constrained the growth of federal spending.
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It was only through the debt ceiling we got that.
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Now, the argument, and by the way, today, Republican senators, we all had lunch.
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J.D. Vance came to express his views to the lunch.
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There were a number of Republicans saying, well, we should just get rid of the debt ceiling now.
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If we get rid of the debt ceiling, it would be utterly disastrous.
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If you care remotely about government spending, eliminate the debt ceiling would be a massive mistake.
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And I just pointed out, if we get rid of the debt ceiling, there will come another Democrat president.
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I get the urge to live in the moment of we're in charge, woo-ha.
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But unfortunately, there will come another time when the American people elect a Democrat.
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And for anyone who has an attention span beyond 12 seconds, you recognize throughout history that politics has been a pendulum.
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So we will get another Democrat president.
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And I told my colleagues today at lunch, I said, all right, you get rid of the debt ceiling.
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And if you don't like a $36 trillion debt, get ready for a $50 trillion debt.
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Because the Democrats, Elizabeth Warren wants to eliminate the debt ceiling.
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Chuck Schumer wants to eliminate the debt ceiling because they want to spend us into oblivion.
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So I will say one potential way out of this is to cut an absolute deal with the Democrats that gets rid of the debt ceiling forever.
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We will have given away what history has proven.
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But about a decade ago, it was the case that of the previous 51 times Congress had raised the debt ceiling.
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Twenty-eight of those times that it attached meaningful conditions to the debt ceiling.
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Remember my principle number two is use spending for leverage?
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The debt ceiling is about getting leverage for concessions.
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I mentioned to you there are a bunch of Republicans in the House who say they'll never vote for a continuing resolution.
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There are also a bunch of Republicans in the House who say they will never, ever, ever vote to raise the debt ceiling.
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I got to tell you, I don't think that makes any sense.
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And I consider myself very much a fiscal conservative.
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But 40% of every dollar the federal government spends is borrowed unless you're prepared to slash the federal government budget by 40% tomorrow.
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And by the way, there is literally no serious person on planet Earth who is prepared to do that and is able to do that.
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Even if you would with a magic wand do that, there's no way to make that happen.
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And unless you're prepared to do that, the debt ceiling will have to be raised.
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My position has always been I'm willing to vote to raise the debt ceiling if we are getting concessions that are reining in the out of control spending that's bankrupting our country.
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However, in the House, there are a bunch of Republicans who simply say I will never, ever, ever vote to raise the debt ceiling no matter what.
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There are a bunch of voices on TV, a bunch of voices on talk radio, a bunch of voices on Twitter saying get rid of Mike Johnson, throw him overboard.
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I'm going to tell you something that I believe is an absolute fact.
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Mike Johnson is the single most conservative Speaker of the House that will ever be Speaker of the House in our lifetime.
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He is undoubtedly the most conservative Speaker of the House we have ever had in our lifetime.
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And I'm here to tell you, listen, Mike Johnson may lose his job over this.
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You've got a bunch of House members saying I'm going to vote against him.
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If Mike Johnson is toppled as Speaker of the House, and he might be.
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Mike Johnson is orders of magnitude more conservative than Kevin McCarthy.
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If Mike Johnson is toppled as Speaker of the House, we will end up with a Speaker of the House who is much, much more liberal than Mike Johnson.
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And everyone on Twitter is saying, but he gave the Democrats concessions.
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Yes, I want to go back to the first principle I said, count to 218.
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If Mike Johnson could draft a bill that makes it out of the House with 218 Republicans, he would.
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There's certainly nothing to indicate it is possible right now.
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If you cannot get to 218 with Republicans because a bunch of Republicans say, I will not vote for anything you propose no matter what.
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Then, Mike Johnson is forced to get Democrat votes.
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To get Democrat votes, he must give Democrats things they want.
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I think there's a reasonable chance somehow out of this we get some very short-term CR, a week or two or three.
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And then, in mid-January, we're back in the middle of this mess again.
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I'll tell you, in the Senate, we're all sitting there.
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And I would just encourage you to focus on, listen, I think we need people to be serious.
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And to do so, you actually need a strategy that can get the votes to prevail.
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If you can't get the votes, it's easy to tweet about it.
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But the fundamental structural dynamics, and it's one of the things, look, going forward into the next year,
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I'm really optimistic about the Trump presidency.
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I'm really optimistic about a Republican Senate in the House.
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But I'll tell you, the Senate's going to be a lot easier.
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By the way, we still have a Democrat Senate today.
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So, I haven't even, this whole discussion has ignored the fact that you've got to get Chuck Schumer and the Democrats to agree with whatever you do, which is even harder.
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But next year, we'll have 53 Republicans in the Senate.
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53 is a big enough majority that we can lose three votes and still get things done.
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So, I think the Senate will be able to pass pretty good legislation.
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Not fantastic, not fantastic, not wonderful, but surprisingly good.
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The House worries me enormously next year because the majority is so excruciatingly small that if you lose a handful of votes, you cannot get to 218.
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And so, I think Mike Johnson is trying to work miracles right now.
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But the single hardest challenge of the next two years in terms of passing good legislation is going to be getting to 218 in the House.
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As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
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Don't forget to download my podcast and you can listen to my podcast every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each day when you listen to Verdict afterwards.
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I'd love to have you as a listener to, again, the Ben Ferguson podcast.
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And we will see you back here on Monday morning.