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00:00:08.360 We got a bunch of news that came out of President Trump's cabinet meeting.

00:00:13.960 Let's dive in here and actually keep you updated with all of that.

00:00:21.020 So let me go in here and find out and make sure we get it in order.

00:00:25.080 Here is cut 33.

00:00:27.560 33, I do understand why people ask questions that are very specific in terms of military strategy.

00:00:35.820 I also love that Trump every time is like, why in the world would I tell you any of this?

00:00:40.760 Yeah, the reporters are like, sir, are you going to launch a stealth attack on this member of the IRGC tomorrow at his house in the mountains?

00:00:48.320 Like, probably not going to let you know.

00:00:51.820 33, here is that version of that question that was just asked in the cabinet meeting.

00:00:57.560 Mr. President, are you going to go in for the uranium?

00:01:00.920 Like, how do you secure Iran?

00:01:03.440 Let's assume I was or I wasn't.

00:01:06.320 Why would I ever answer a question?

00:01:08.360 Can you accomplish a little without it?

00:01:09.120 What kind of a question am I going to go in for the?

00:01:11.620 Oh, yeah, I'm going in.

00:01:12.680 We're going in tomorrow at 3 o'clock.

00:01:16.500 How could you possibly ask a question like that and expect an answer?

00:01:20.540 I don't know.

00:01:21.560 But I don't know.

00:01:23.020 I think you're a friendly person, too. 0.98

00:01:24.440 It's just such a ridiculous question. 0.96

00:01:27.560 It is very funny. 0.98

00:01:29.000 And again, I was talking about this with Laura yesterday.

00:01:32.100 I think Trump very often is so funny that it sometimes works against him

00:01:39.480 in the context of people take him so literally on the left

00:01:43.020 and they cannot comprehend when he's joking.

00:01:47.200 But yeah, we're going to go in at 3 o'clock.

00:01:48.820 Remember when Reagan got caught off mic saying we're hitting the Russians

00:01:53.980 making a joke and it turned into a huge story?

00:01:57.560 but the specifics of this are every day he gets asked hey what are you trying to do as we talked

00:02:03.760 about yesterday i think the genius of trump in this respect has been he's caught the iranians

00:02:08.260 napping twice he got them in june last year they had no idea the attack was coming he took out the

00:02:13.500 ayatollah on a saturday when they had sent specific indications they weren't going to do anything

00:02:18.160 such that the iranians are super nervous about negotiating with him now because he's caught him

00:02:22.780 napping twice and that's because he's put out uh different perspectives and it's hard to analyze

00:02:28.060 what exactly he's doing uh all right um this is a big story buck that we talked about yesterday

00:02:33.660 and earlier this week things going are going so well in venezuela that no one is even talking

00:02:39.780 about venezuela very much i saw doug bergam a couple weeks ago told him we want to get him on

00:02:44.620 uh because he has been involved very much in the venezuela oil situation and he at the cabinet

00:02:51.140 meeting gave an update cut 35 on just how much venezuela's oil production is growing listen

00:02:59.260 back on venezuela where chris and i both had a chance to be there i literally think they're

00:03:04.300 going to put up a statute of president trump and i'm not being it's not a political statement it's

00:03:09.660 an actual thing that would be great no because it's it's like they view president trump like

00:03:13.760 simon bowler he's the liberator of a country and this is a country where they you know they love

00:03:18.020 american baseball you look on the street they're wearing nba jerseys and uh delcy and her team uh

00:03:24.540 working with us getting back chris and i both experienced it was the first time in venezuelan

00:03:29.300 history that they had the free press allowed to come on to the essentially what's their

00:03:34.380 where the white house the palacio miniflores and it was like it was an emotional thing for people

00:03:38.920 that had been for 20 years had never had a chance to be there so it's forget that when are they

00:03:43.800 going to do the statue um so that is really really funny uh 50 increase in three months

00:03:57.100 they've been there um and uh maybe trump's going to get a statue uh and then um he uh president

00:04:03.860 trump we talked about this and it's a good pivot to allow us to discuss the continued impact of

00:04:09.380 illegal immigrant crime in this country. Trump paused the cabinet meeting to deliver a message

00:04:15.140 about Sheridan Gorman. She is the Chicago area college student who was killed in cold blood by

00:04:21.400 a Venezuelan illegal immigrant in Chicago. And unfortunately, we've got recent stories that

00:04:27.940 continue of totally innocent people being victimized by illegal immigrants. But here is 0.84

00:04:33.120 Trump in the cabinet meeting addressing Sheridan Gorman, 18 year old murdered in cold blood.

00:04:38.520 It would be great if people like the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois would say, please come in and stop the crime.

00:04:47.140 A beautiful young lady was killed the other day, and the father was a very good friend of Dan Scavino, and he took it very hard.

00:04:56.860 Dan took it very hard. He liked the father, friends.

00:04:59.140 they grew up together and it's a young lady who whose life would be saved if we had if we did what

00:05:05.840 we did as an example in washington dc which is now a safe city all the time people come up to

00:05:11.600 me in the building people that work here they say thank you so much i know immediately what

00:05:14.840 they're talking about they're able to walk to work they walk to work you all walk to work some

00:05:18.880 of you were mugged i know you told me sir some of you were mugged one person in particular was

00:05:23.500 viciously mugged in the group right here it's not happening anymore you have a safe city

00:05:28.300 um and so buck i saw this story and i just tweeted it out and a lot of people are discussing it and

00:05:36.400 i think it is uh unfortunate but again this could be happening in any city in america we could point

00:05:42.200 to it and um i want to make sure that i get this right uh because it was from uh bill malugin said

00:05:51.740 a four-time previously deported this is from the new york post story a four-time previously

00:05:57.980 deported Honduran illegal immigrant has been charged with murder after he allegedly shoved

00:06:05.060 an 83-year-old U.S. Air Force veteran onto subway tracks in New York City's Upper East Side.

00:06:12.400 The veteran died from his injuries. The man who pushed him onto the tracks has a lengthy rap sheet.

00:06:20.860 I want to make sure I get this man's name. He's a grandfather. Richard Williams died from his

00:06:26.940 injuries at the Lexington Avenue 63rd station just before noon middle of the day on March 8th

00:06:35.600 his alleged attacker was a Honduran national and that Honduran national had been deported

00:06:42.240 four different times and Buck unfortunately this is there's there's cell phone footage of this it's

00:06:51.460 an awful situation 83 years old you're trying to take the subway at noon in new york city and a

00:06:57.900 man who should have never been in this country takes your life not only should he never have

00:07:03.240 been in this country he came back in after being deported clay four times which which is a felony

00:07:12.060 this is this is again where i get very frustrated people say oh our immigration system's broken

00:07:17.320 That's actually, in many cases, not true.

00:07:20.220 Democrats break it.

00:07:22.800 They refuse what is actual statute.

00:07:26.300 They refuse to enforce laws.

00:07:28.160 And this is a perfect example of it.

00:07:30.360 AI makes this all so easy now.

00:07:32.380 For legal stuff, I've got to tell you, AI, you can pull up statutes in a second. 0.62

00:07:36.480 You can pull up any case law.

00:07:39.000 I mean, the speed of this stuff is incredible.

00:07:42.100 And you can see what I'm saying.

00:07:43.300 it is it is a federal felony to to if you have been deported because you came in illegally to

00:07:49.260 come back and doesn't that make perfect sense by the way it's one thing okay you came we got you

00:07:54.080 you're gone now you're gonna do this again this guy's done this four times and he somehow is

00:07:59.520 still walking around the streets in this country this is where everyone has to understand during

00:08:05.880 the biden years clay it became too obvious for anyone to pretend otherwise really that democrats

00:08:14.760 wanted an open border and you know that we saw 10 million came in they're pretending oh it's about

00:08:21.340 asylum they're not asylum seekers they're scammers we see okay that was one revelation another 1.00

00:08:27.420 revelation people are now having under this trump administration because a lot of it is clay we're

00:08:32.880 talking about it more the media can't squelch these stories the way they used to thanks to

00:08:37.740 things like x i might add formerly twitter and elon this stuff gets out all the media sees it

00:08:44.440 you know it's no longer like georgia man or michigan man pushes oh you mean a guy who came

00:08:50.620 here from ecuador who's been deported five times and is like a uh has a long rap sheet of being

00:08:55.840 like a sex criminal that that's that's you know michigan man or georgia man or in this case

00:09:01.080 new york city man we're all so sick of it but clay what we're seeing now is democrats 0.58

00:09:07.140 are continuing sanctuary policies continuing to thwart immigration enforcement of exactly

00:09:14.540 individuals like the guy who threw this veteran and grandfather on the subway tracks they don't

00:09:22.440 want this to stop just like they didn't want the border to be secure and then trump secured it

00:09:27.120 right away democrats are all in on you have it's a sanctuary for the criminals it's a sanctuary for

00:09:35.220 the predators it is not a sanctuary city it is not a safe place for americans they don't want

00:09:41.360 to change that um 15 prior charges for this illegal immigrant who killed 83 year old richard

00:09:49.780 williams 15 prior charges and again noon noon on the subway tracks buck you can speak to for people

00:09:59.760 out there who don't know manhattan this is in theory i believe a pretty safe area upper east

00:10:06.000 side like this is not an area in new york where i grew up yeah it's probably the safest single

00:10:11.880 jurisdiction in all of the five boroughs or close to it one of the safest so if you think about this

00:10:18.660 noon in one of the safest areas of manhattan 83 year old veteran grandpa gets killed by this

00:10:27.960 illegal uh immigrant that should have never been here um and again it comes on the heels of what's 0.99

00:10:33.560 happened in chicago i mean every day you can wake up and find a story like these and it is a uh

00:10:42.040 you're basically just permitting this to occur but just this clay i just think this is so important

00:10:47.720 a rational response to an incident like this would be for the democrat mayor communist mayor

00:10:57.720 of new york and the uh prosecutor the da district attorney of new york alvin bragg i mean he's

00:11:04.720 maybe the worst in the entire country by the way as a prosecutor but put that aside the the rational

00:11:10.260 human response would be you know what we will work when there's somebody who is a violent offender

00:11:17.500 as this guy was a repeat offender as this guy was of uh previously deported as this guy was

00:11:23.640 we will honor ice detainers we will work with federal law enforcement we want to keep all of

00:11:29.860 our illegals washing dishes and cleaning up and doing all that stuff that's you know that they 1.00

00:11:34.780 want to do that but they'll at least agree with us that we shouldn't have serial predators walking

00:11:40.940 around the streets who are illegals clay they won't do it they won't budge they won't even make 1.00

00:11:45.920 that exception to to the policy so what else do you have to know they this is the cost 80 year old

00:11:53.980 veteran grandpas getting thrown on the subway tracks in broad daylight in the nicest part of

00:11:59.280 new york city and dying and their family getting that phone call and the community having that

00:12:04.560 shock this is a price democrats are willing to have other people pay so that they can have cheap

00:12:11.480 labor and they can feel like they're not racist that's it that's where the country is and it is 0.66

00:12:19.660 fairly explicit at this point democrats see as their base people who are not citizens of this

00:12:26.260 country and you have to ask yourself why do they see these people as their base because they want

00:12:30.980 to give them citizenship and believe they will be their base i mean that's the game plan and so in

00:12:36.800 the meantime a lot of innocent people are being killed by illegal immigrants and for people out 1.00

00:12:43.820 there say well what i wish there was a zero murder rate unfortunately when you're killed by an

00:12:48.980 american citizen it is you can keep them in jail right because most of the times the people who 1.00

00:12:53.160 commit murder have long rap sheets so we're certainly in favor of that but the rate of

00:12:58.060 illegal immigrant murder of citizens of the united states should be zero that should not occur there 0.98

00:13:05.660 should not be a single person and i can't even imagine what it's like to have an eye i mean i've

00:13:11.720 got an 18 year old who's going off to college in august i can't even imagine the torment for those

00:13:17.760 parents who raise their kid send her off to college in chicago she's walking in a park and she just

00:13:24.720 gets murdered by an illegal immigrant but i think this is so obviously i totally agree with you i 1.00

00:13:30.040 would just add to this they won't even agree you're saying that no there should be no illegals here 0.97

00:13:36.480 so there should be no murders of americans by illegals true factual statement lock that in

00:13:41.420 we're talking about illegals who are being arrested for other serious stuff they are in

00:13:48.520 custody there are men and women with guns and badges who have them they have hurt americans

00:13:54.340 already and democrats go oh no we won't help federal law enforcement send you back to your

00:14:01.060 home country rapist we won't help federal law enforcement send you back to where you belong 0.98

00:14:07.060 murderer gang member i mean this is like i say we're not talking about 80 year old welles who 0.98

00:14:13.200 have been here for 30 years who have done nothing illegal in addition like this we're not even we're

00:14:18.180 miles from that conversation i think that's just what's so frustrating is that people aren't everyone

00:14:23.060 needs to catch up with this there oh there's an illegal alien with you know with a history of of

00:14:28.440 of harming children and and breaking laws and violence and doing bad stuff can't turn him over

00:14:35.580 to ice clay that would be a victory for trump can't do it every democrat jurisdiction in the 0.99

00:14:42.120 country with a sanctuary policy that is their answer can't do it keep that child predator on

00:14:47.020 the streets keep that murderer in your community because it makes chuck schumer and his and his

00:14:51.820 constituents feel good about themselves it makes democrats feel like they're better than you

00:14:56.480 and they just hope that they don't actually get you know they don't suffer it's not their daughter

00:15:00.780 who gets murdered while she's at college it's not their grandfather who's throwing the railroad 0.97

00:15:04.340 tracks clay i have absolutely no patience for this crap whatsoever i this is is everyone listens 0.98

00:15:12.460 the show knows i get as fired up about this as anything and every smug democrat out there who's 0.99

00:15:17.040 think but we're a nation of immigrants they are just swallowing propaganda and spewing lies it's 0.98

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00:16:52.420 to your podcasts second hour of clay and buck kicks off now we're joined by our friend alex

00:16:58.300 berenson unreported truths is his very successful sub stack which i would recommend you all go

00:17:04.520 subscribe to where he does independent journalism independent analysis and reporting uh alex great

00:17:11.340 to have you back on the program that the uh the title of your piece that we wanted to have you

00:17:16.120 on to talk about from a couple days ago the most enraging piece you will read this year

00:17:21.480 um i would i would caveat maybe given what we're talking about today some of these stories

00:17:26.340 among the most enraging definitely top of but but but it it definitely emphasizes something

00:17:33.520 that is very real that people are starting to catch on to in larger and larger numbers and that

00:17:38.760 is democrat policies on crime are insane i mean they're they're putting people at risk terrible

00:17:47.320 things keep happening that are preventable tell everybody this story out of seattle what's going

00:17:53.260 on here because it ties right into our conversations about these illegals that have killed people 1.00

00:17:57.440 recently yes so so this this gentleman was not an illegal i think he's actually a washington

00:18:03.240 uh sure sure yeah and um and he uh in 2024 he he um attacked an 80 year old woman he he was 48 at

00:18:15.140 the time he was trying to carjack her he pulled her out of her car actually there were people

00:18:19.280 around who tried to stop him um and one of whom i think actually tried to get a bat and go after him

00:18:25.460 um but the but they weren't able to stop him and he sort of threw the woman against the car 0.90

00:18:32.600 a nearby car and then backed into her and crushed her and killed her um and then drove off in the

00:18:40.440 car and uh uh she was a dog walker even though she was 80 she had a dog walking business it was

00:18:47.100 actually going to the dog park with her own dog and shortly thereafter people at a park in seattle

00:18:54.160 called uh animal control or or i don't know if they called animal control the police but they

00:18:59.240 called someone and said, there's somebody harming a dog. It turned out this gentleman was stabbing

00:19:03.480 this dog that he had taken in this car to death. He threw the dog away. This was, you know, this

00:19:08.940 was not exactly the crime of the century from a, from a, you know, smart criminal point of view.

00:19:13.720 He left his fingerprints. The police found him, you know, less than 24 hours later. He still had

00:19:19.780 the car keys with him. No one is disputing, you know, normally I'm pretty careful when I say

00:19:24.600 alleged, but nobody's really disputing that he did this. So what happened then is, so this guy

00:19:29.580 has a long history of crime. He's an eight-time convicted felon, and in fact was eligible for

00:19:36.540 the three strikes program that Washington had, which would have left him in jail for the rest

00:19:41.520 of his life, but ultimately in a crime about 15 years ago pled to something that did eventually

00:19:49.060 get him out. So what his defense team is claiming is that he's incompetent. And the situation is

00:19:57.860 that you have to be able to participate meaningfully in your own defense, which is

00:20:02.320 reasonable, okay? If you're too insane even to, you know, know what's going on, there can't really

00:20:09.220 be a trial. So the judge restored, you know, ordered that he be given, you know, psychiatric

00:20:15.360 medicine to be restored to competency. And he was restored to competency. So that should pave

00:20:20.760 the way for the trial to begin, except he was then discharged or moved, I shouldn't say discharged,

00:20:26.540 but moved back from the forensic hospital where he was to jail and essentially stopped taking his

00:20:32.100 medicine and so became incompetent again or claimed to be incompetent again, right? There's

00:20:37.280 some question as to whether he's malingering, whether he's actually pretending to be incompetent

00:20:42.400 or not. And, you know, so I wrote about this because there was actually a second case that

00:20:48.440 got a lot of attention in Seattle, a 2023 murder where a man walked up to a woman,

00:20:56.000 a pregnant woman whose car was stopped and just shot her six times, killed her, walked away. 0.95

00:21:02.900 Now, that guy was then just last week allowed to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

00:21:09.120 And it seems pretty clear that in that case, the guy actually is not competent.

00:21:14.940 You know, we can't argue about whether there should be some kind of verdict of guilty but insane where he would go to a forensic hospital and then go to jail for the rest of his life.

00:21:23.320 I think that makes sense. But this case to me is even worse.

00:21:26.720 It's even more upsetting and infuriating because this guy who did this, this 48 year old who killed the dog walker in 2024, has a long criminal record.

00:21:37.640 He actually has another conviction for driving under the influence and killing somebody.

00:21:43.400 So this idea that he's actually too mentally ill to participate in his trial, he knew exactly what he was doing when he carjacked that car.

00:21:51.340 He tried he tried to escape. Right. So. So, you know, you and I have talked in the past about crimes that are committed under the influence of psychosis.

00:22:00.340 It might be drug induced psychosis. Those have a certain look to them.

00:22:03.680 This case looks more just like a carjacking. Can I just jump in, Alex?

00:22:07.640 And now the guy is manipulating his system.

00:22:09.720 This is important.

00:22:11.040 This guy in the Seattle case you mentioned that just shot,

00:22:13.820 murdered this pregnant woman, just shot her six times,

00:22:16.020 killed the unborn baby. 0.84

00:22:17.880 That guy has been sent by a judge in Seattle to a psychiatric facility

00:22:22.980 instead of facing 50-plus years in prison, which is what he was facing.

00:22:26.680 That's correct.

00:22:27.120 He could be released in six months.

00:22:29.800 They could just let him go.

00:22:30.860 He could.

00:22:31.980 It's super unlikely that that would happen.

00:22:34.820 But you're right.

00:22:35.660 He can be because he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Now, again, in that. And that's what I think we should have. We should introduce into our system a guilty but insane verdict where if you are found, you know, essentially not guilty by reason of insanity, but there's no question you committed the crime.

00:22:52.680 If at some point you're restored to competency, you then go to jail and you serve the crime.

00:22:58.320 But that's not the system that we have.

00:23:00.120 We have a system where if you were judged insane at the time of the crime, you don't bear responsibility.

00:23:07.280 And that's where we are.

00:23:08.500 So that's a bad case.

00:23:09.980 Again, to me, this other case is worse because I do think that there's a good chance that this guy's malingering.

00:23:16.600 Okay, so let's dive in here because we've got positive overall crime trend lines.

00:23:23.520 We've got a lot of people being arrested and put in jail.

00:23:27.860 Let's pretend, Alex, that we said, hey, we want to have an actual war on murder, right?

00:23:34.800 And it seems to some extent that that's what's happened in Washington, D.C.

00:23:38.640 It's gotten way safer for everybody else.

00:23:40.420 don't we basically know everybody who's going to commit a murder in the context of uh you know

00:23:47.340 it's it's not very very often that somebody goes from completely law-abiding to murder right that

00:23:54.700 that does occur very very rarely but almost always if you ask cops they would say yeah we know the

00:23:59.840 300 people in our city who are the most likely to commit murders can't we just lock those guys up

00:24:05.320 and actually keep them in prison when they're arrested as they always are for other offenses

00:24:10.100 so so i mean can we log them up for nothing no no i'm saying that these people are all

00:24:16.620 always arrested almost 100 people who commit murder have long rap sheets before they are

00:24:23.240 convicted of a murder so so there i mean there is this is like a really interesting discussion

00:24:28.320 and unfortunately i've got to run to a tsa checkpoint in the near future so i i can't

00:24:33.500 have it with you for a long time but so yes crime certainly murders are going down in the u.s right

00:24:38.820 There's been a long trend on this, yet people's perceptions of public safety and certainly in cities like Seattle and New York are not improving.

00:24:48.100 And why that is, I think, is so a lot of crime, most crime is committed by the people you're talking about.

00:24:54.280 Right. And oftentimes in the 80s in particular, it was drug dealing related crime.

00:24:59.540 Right. So what's happened? Well, actually, there's nobody working the corners anymore.

00:25:04.040 A lot of when drugs are bought, often they're bought off Snapchat, they're bought off, you know, your phone.

00:25:10.480 And so, like, there's not actually territorial wars anymore.

00:25:13.460 So that's really helped the cops. Right. Plus, they have spot shot or they have lots of good investigative techniques that they didn't used to have.

00:25:20.640 So why are people more scared? Because the kind of crime that I just mentioned to you that we've been talking about.

00:25:26.340 Right. Walking up to somebody in the street who's a true innocent, who doesn't have any, you know, isn't out there to buy drugs.

00:25:33.480 Right. Those are the crimes that scare people. And, you know, they scare women, people who, you know, who don't expect to be a victim of violent crime and who, quote unquote, shouldn't be a victim of violent crime.

00:25:47.400 And to me, that's where we've got to focus our energy. And, you know, the number one way to do that is to get sort of drug addicted homeless people who are who are having psychosis off the streets.

00:25:58.460 and i favor you know the trump administration has moved in this direction and i think they

00:26:02.540 should continue to do this civil commitment policies that will get these folks off the 1.00

00:26:06.640 streets alex berenson unreported truths alex good luck at the airport buddy thanks for calling in

00:26:12.380 before you run thanks guys yeah go to it i hope you're i hope you're six hours early uh anyway

00:26:18.660 uh or whatever crazy things are saying for new york city these days clay can we can i just want

00:26:23.500 to address this follow-up on what alex is saying um this is so important when we look at crime

00:26:29.160 people ask me about what crime was like in new york city when i was growing up there because

00:26:32.400 this is the huge turnaround case story that everyone always cites for a city 2200 murders

00:26:37.760 in 1990 1991 okay 2200 murders huge amount of murders now there was a lot of decay and disorder

00:26:43.820 graffiti and bad things going on but a huge majority of those murders were still happening

00:26:50.360 in high crime areas right there more stuff would bleed over the city was less safe no question

00:26:55.680 bad guys shooting each other when you look at chicago why is it that rich democrats who live

00:27:02.780 in what isn't like lincoln park a really nice area i don't know chicago well is that a fancy

00:27:06.580 area i think so the north side of chicago is very nice wherever the wherever the fancy rich people

00:27:11.820 in chicago live why aren't they all voting republican because all the shootings are

00:27:16.620 happening in the south and the west side for the most part but what you see because of democrats

00:27:21.180 refusal to deal with these essentially drug addicted and or severely psychiatric unstable

00:27:27.600 repeat criminals is people being stabbed in broad daylight with their dog in a park

00:27:32.640 in a nice area someone on on 63rd street subway in new york city a man being thrown on the subway

00:27:39.100 tracks by a career criminal a felon in that case an illegal alien too those hit people differently

00:27:45.440 this isn't about drug dealers shooting drug dealers in uh you know inner city that doesn't

00:27:51.540 even that those those murders don't make news right still to this day to your point i think

00:27:56.380 that's important i think what alex is saying too and what would be interesting is while we may be

00:28:01.300 at a low in murders overall are people who are 100 innocent being killed at high rates that that's a

00:28:09.700 really fascinating question to go into right because if you're engaging in criminal behavior

00:28:14.980 I still hope you don't get killed, but if criminals are shooting at each other, to Buck's point, when there are 2,200 murders going on and most of the people getting killed are those individuals, it is different and it does hit people differently than an 83-year-old veteran like what just happened in Manhattan, Richard Williams, or this young 18-year-old college girl who just goes to a park and gets murdered while she's there by an illegal immigrant.

00:28:40.560 Both of these people killed by illegal immigrants. 0.96

00:28:42.540 I also come back to Buck, and this is where I think you really have to push back aggressively

00:28:46.340 because they'll say, well, I don't know why you're focusing on immigrant crime.

00:28:50.700 Again, my answer is because it should be zero.

00:28:53.140 I wish we had a zero crime rate for American citizens.

00:28:56.340 But when you come here illegally, you should have never been allowed in this country. 1.00

00:29:00.840 You should have never been permitted to commit a crime.

00:29:03.920 And we should have Sheridan Gorman.

00:29:06.600 And there are a ton of Sheridan Gorman's, Lake and Riley's everywhere.

00:29:09.540 young innocent college girls should still be alive let's let's let's just kind of take this 1.00

00:29:15.180 to an analogy for a second clay if i was walking through my neighborhood uh you know i walk ginger

00:29:20.940 around all the time she's the sweetest little dog and and but if i saw if somebody's 80 pound pitbull 1.00

00:29:26.680 um was aggressive and attacked let's say attacked someone else's dog and i knew this dog was a

00:29:33.680 danger i knew this dog was dangerous to people no owner no leash no harness nothing okay

00:29:39.700 But I'll let you say, and obviously I know this would be a difficult thing to do,

00:29:42.680 I take this pit bull off of another dog that it's attacking,

00:29:45.420 and I go, you know what?

00:29:46.800 I don't want people to think poorly of pit bulls.

00:29:49.240 So I'm going to take this dog, instead of taking it to animal control,

00:29:52.300 or instead of making sure that it is contained,

00:29:54.900 I'm going to release it in the nearest dog park

00:29:57.140 and just see if it rips apart someone's toy poodle. 0.97

00:30:00.140 Yeah.

00:30:00.680 Everybody would rightly think that I was being a monster.

00:30:03.260 Law enforcement in sanctuary cities

00:30:06.480 Is doing that every day

00:30:08.800 With these criminals

00:30:09.520 Every single day 0.59

00:30:11.480 And they go

00:30:14.420 Oh my gosh, the pit bull just ripped apart

00:30:16.360 A little poodle

00:30:17.040 Yeah, it's ripped apart five other little poodles

00:30:19.600 And you keep letting it loose in the park

00:30:21.500 Because you don't want to be mean to pit bulls

00:30:23.980 Sorry to the pit bull owners, by the way

00:30:25.520 I know you're going to get mad

00:30:26.160 The pit bull owners are going to get ticked off at me 0.87

00:30:31.020 yeah pitbull is the most violent dog but no i mean look if you have a violent but the way that

00:30:36.360 i would put it is if you have a violent predator that you know is a violent predator and we'll

00:30:41.100 make it a presa canario clay we'll get with something that's not going to upset everybody

00:30:44.600 those are huge very strong dogs okay a presa canar but you see the analogy it's the same

00:30:49.680 analogy yeah no it's it's 100 right and again it comes back to the question i was asking alex which

00:30:54.980 is and you know this from your time working with the nypd jointly we know who is going to commit

00:31:01.920 murders at this point it is very very rare that someone has a completely clean criminal background

00:31:08.260 and just kills a completely innocent person does it happen every now and then yes so rarely the

00:31:14.460 murder rate would be basically non-existent if we just kept violent people off the street every

00:31:19.580 and this is where unfortunately libertarians you have been a scourge on this issue i'm just going

00:31:23.720 to say it out loud the libertarian uh industrial complex with their three strikes laws people are

00:31:28.940 going to prison forever for stealing a pair of socks no we actually need three strikes laws we 0.99

00:31:33.800 just need them to be for serious felonies okay no one's saying you go to prison forever for

00:31:38.320 jaywalking but you do three class a or you know class one felonies three every state that thinks

00:31:45.620 that it's serious about some of you by the way are like that's even too but let's start there

00:31:48.940 three three serious felonies you go away for 20 three serious felonies you go you know not a lot

00:31:55.440 of people are worried about what happens to people you know when they come out in their 50s and 60s

00:31:58.680 okay why not have that why not have that law no you know there's really a criminal justice

00:32:06.140 conversation is one democrats have nothing they have nothing to add to this other than just letting

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00:33:30.560 buck sexton show um let's go into the guy that i never would have believed would become the most

00:33:38.080 sane democrat in the country but he is john fetterman and this is pretty awful this was a 0.72

00:33:44.460 uh pro iran and hamas protest that happened in philadelphia and i want you to listen to

00:33:53.500 what was being chanted uh this is cut 32 this happened in philadelphia

00:33:59.280 until we have done everything in our power to bring the united states to its knees let us not

00:34:05.640 lose sight of the enemy. For every U.S. military base that crumbles, and for every U.S. soldier

00:34:11.800 who returns home in the casket, we cheer. Hamas, Hezbollah, also Allah, all of the resistance

00:34:22.680 forces we celebrate. These popular voices on the ground spend every waking moment in direct

00:34:27.860 confrontation with Zionism, and they rely on a strong Iranian state to maintain their fighting

00:34:33.000 capacity okay she said uh i think that's a woman although i've been wrong before uh for every u.s 0.86

00:34:40.800 soldier who comes back in a casket we cheer if you had difficulty uh hearing what was being said

00:34:47.620 again that's in philadelphia uh that was a rally that they were having in support of iran um and

00:34:55.080 john fetterman has been going off on the democrat party um and i wanted to just play a couple of

00:35:00.780 these different cuts uh here he is saying democrat party's being held hostage by the far left flank

00:35:07.020 from putting the country first and reopening the hs which would allow the tsa agents to get paid

00:35:12.920 buck they're about to have their third different missed paycheck so that's six weeks of not being

00:35:18.280 paid for the tsa agents cut 22 here do the right thing put the country ahead of the party now

00:35:26.780 there's a huge rally you know that another no kings kinds of protests so now it's it's also

00:35:33.040 probably motivating some people in my party that now they might be afraid to to reopen now because

00:35:40.520 they are demanding these kinds of extremes you know what they think is a solution that there

00:35:44.960 was ever going to be a solution okay uh and then uh here he is saying shutting down the government

00:35:51.220 always wrong tsa agents are struggling cut 23 it's always wrong regardless whatever the party's

00:35:59.360 doing it shutting down our government and you can see the kinds of chaos that's created across our

00:36:04.880 right now they're selling their blood they have to take you know pay uh loans and just this kinds

00:36:13.580 of chaos um so it's fundamentally wrong and that's why i refuse to be a part of it buck

00:36:20.940 what percentage of this audience and you and I have been in this camp before what percentage of

00:36:26.880 this audience do you think could go a month and a half without being paid at their current job

00:36:32.280 and be perfectly fine with that because I do think it's important to contextualize what's

00:36:37.180 going on here we're talking about now six weeks that's three different pay periods without getting

00:36:42.980 any dollars at all from the job that you've been going and working at uh for for six weeks now I

00:36:49.800 I would bet, what do you think, 65% of people, of those of you that are still working,

00:36:54.020 I know some people are retired, some people don't have full-time jobs,

00:36:57.240 but of those that are working full-time listening to us today,

00:37:00.760 I would bet 65%, 60% of people out there would be in significant financial constraints

00:37:06.340 if they didn't get paid for six weeks.

00:37:09.620 Well, that mirrors what the stats are nationwide.

00:37:14.240 And that's exactly what I would assume is true.

00:37:17.400 because, you know, we have all 50 states represented in listenership.

00:37:22.560 And so, yeah, I would think it's about 30% of those with us right now,

00:37:27.520 of all of you with us, could weather this storm financially pretty okay.

00:37:32.900 But 70% would be running up some credit card debt,

00:37:37.300 asking a landlord maybe for a month of grace or something.

00:37:40.420 I mean, that's where reality is for 70% of Americans, 65% to 70%.

00:37:45.220 and it's just so cruel you'll notice democrats complain so much if trump wants to do any cuts

00:37:52.300 to any federal government jobs or do anything like that at all and yet they'll turn around and

00:37:56.700 throw tsa under the bus if it if it benefits them politically without a second thought they don't

00:38:02.100 care it's not just tsa by the way it's also it's dhs more broadly as we know coast guard and others

00:38:06.380 are also affected by this so i i think it's uh dare i say it is it is disgraceful it is deplorable 0.72

00:38:13.280 yeah and then by the way elon musk offered to pay the tsa agents and there was a decision made that

00:38:22.540 it was probably not legal and rather than getting into a legal battle over whether that was permitted

00:38:29.060 or not the uh trump administration decided they would say thank you but decline his uh his

00:38:35.560 willingness to pay i i just i come back to this should just not be allowed to happen and i'm

00:38:42.380 looking right now the headline is cnn uh the amount of workers that are calling out again it

00:38:48.780 it appears to be constantly new york city houston atlanta new orleans and um and and those cities

00:38:59.640 by atlanta if i didn't say it overwhelmingly dealing with the biggest issues here but i i

00:39:06.180 just think this should be eliminated once and for all i i don't think you should be able to go to

00:39:11.440 work and not be paid and i understand some of you say well they're going to get paid eventually okay

00:39:16.680 but again i come back to how many of you could go six weeks uh at your jobs not being paid at all

00:39:24.200 knowing that it might be months before you got paid for the time that you're working i i just

00:39:29.260 this is not what they signed up for and unfortunately we're losing hundreds of employees

00:39:34.360 and uh and it's a total mess and again i think the important thing to keep in mind here is

00:39:39.400 Democrats have decided this is a price worth paying

00:39:42.440 because they want to keep as many people as they can

00:39:45.960 from getting deported who are in this country illegally. 0.96

00:39:49.580 They're making citizens suffer for their attempt to protect non-citizens.

00:39:56.020 Yes, and they're also going after TSA.

00:39:59.020 When TSA is affected by this, I know it's DHS more broadly,

00:40:02.520 but TSA has nothing to do with what their objections are.

00:40:06.340 so this is democrats pulling the fire alarm so to speak this is lying in the street so the cars

00:40:12.680 can't get by i mean it's it's obstruction what they're doing is just pure obstruction of government

00:40:18.020 administration and they're doing it under cover of caring so much about what happened in minneapolis

00:40:23.200 how many how many democrat members of congress could even name both the people who were killed

00:40:26.740 in their altercations with ice in minneapolis at this point i think they can name one i doubt most

00:40:32.720 of them could even name both of them right now they don't care is the point they don't actually

00:40:36.460 care about any of this they just want power and they're willing to make people miserable and

00:40:40.300 they're willing to make americans suffer and slow down your travel and cause all kinds of

00:40:44.320 disruptions to commerce to businesses because they're not getting their way and because they

00:40:49.220 don't have anything else to go on here with trump they were yeah are they hoping that something

00:40:52.580 terrible happens in the iran war so that they can then use that sure but hasn't happened yet

00:40:57.100 so clay this is the best they've got um this is a uh we mentioned this before we were going to have

00:41:04.180 our guest on i think and i wanted to come back to it this is from cash patel and i we mentioned this

00:41:10.140 this news just came out about about an hour ago now 45 minutes or so an ied was placed at mcdill

00:41:18.060 air force base home to sitcom and u.s special operations command a brother and a sister have

00:41:24.600 now been indicted one is in custody for accessory and evidence tampering and the primary suspect is

00:41:30.780 charged with explosives offensives is currently in china the fbi working with our partners will

00:41:36.980 continue pursuing all these responsible and ensure they're brought to justice um they say this is

00:41:42.720 tied to the iran war the device was planted there so the reason why i bring it up is um again we

00:41:50.780 had the situation buck in uh detroit uh north of detroit we had the situation at old dominion

00:41:56.540 university these are terror attacks by the way by situations austin and the attempted uh terror

00:42:03.840 attack in new york city and now we have this situation uh that is coming out that was attempted

00:42:09.020 in florida and um again i mean fbi tampa uh accused of hiding uh and uh and attempting to set off an

00:42:19.160 ied um and uh we'll see what exactly happens for this but on march 16th fbi tampa announced that

00:42:27.200 a suspicious package had been discovered and they were then able to track down where it was and they

00:42:32.640 believe it was connected to what's going on in iran so yet another would-be attempt to create

00:42:40.840 an element of terror kill people uh and the reason why i bring that up in conjunction with the tsa

00:42:46.340 is you would think of all times that we would want the TSA to be as safe as possible it would

00:42:52.900 be now when we know that there have been even more aggressive attempts to to bring terror attacks to

00:42:59.100 this country than in the past um it just to me is indefensible all right let's uh hop into some

00:43:06.640 of our calls here clikes we got a lot stacked up and also some of our talkbacks we have uh

00:43:12.200 randy in coco florida what's going on randy hi how are you doing we're great great um i and my

00:43:22.700 wife have a huge amount of respect for you too uh we listen to you every day if at all possible

00:43:28.840 and you have no idea how invaluable what you do for the country is thank you so much

00:43:36.140 but um i wanted to talk about uh iran there is an aspect to the conflict there that i can't

00:43:46.160 believe it's been overlooked i spend a lot of time yelling at my radio uh that we need to take a page

00:43:53.380 from world war ii when we dropped hundreds and hundreds of small arms and tons of ammunition

00:44:00.300 explosives first aid communications gear to the resistance fighters of europe and i can't for the

00:44:08.360 life of me understand why we're not doing that for the uh the resistance in iran it would be a

00:44:13.980 military asset that would be cost effective beyond belief we'd be making good on a promise that we

00:44:20.700 made to those people to watch out for them and take care of them any solution to the iran conflict

00:44:28.040 that does not involve the complete and total removal of the theocracy is not a victory.

00:44:34.500 It is an illusion of victory, and we will regret it.

00:44:38.780 We will fight this war all over again within 10 years if we leave those people in power.

00:44:43.700 They have got to go just like the Nazis had to go at the end of World War II. 0.82

00:44:48.280 Thank you for the call and the historic analogy.

00:44:51.060 Buck, I haven't heard anybody make this suggestion.

00:44:53.200 My guess would be that right now the IRGC is still in control of much of Iran and that if we were to drop weapons, we think those weapons would end up in the hands of our adversaries as opposed to the adversaries of the government.

00:45:10.200 Would that be your sign off on what you would expect is the rationale so far for why weapons drops are not occurring?

00:45:17.080 Yeah, we don't have the networks on the ground to get the weapons, too.

00:45:21.240 We don't know who we'd be trying to get the weapons to.

00:45:24.460 We were, the British and the French, for example, the Allies,

00:45:28.600 the Brits knew that there were people in France who did not want the Nazis there and in charge, 0.67

00:45:33.040 and they weren't that hard to find under the occupation, Vichy government and all that.

00:45:39.360 I don't think we know in Iran.

00:45:42.140 I mean, we're the invaders, technically, so it's a little bit more,

00:45:45.420 a little bit of a sketchier situation with regard to that,

00:45:48.260 although I wish we could get some resistance going on the ground.

00:45:51.020 janine in harrisburg pennsylvania wants to chat what's up janine

00:45:53.900 i think this is probably a long shot but i was wondering if we could compile a list of the tsa

00:46:02.600 workers and set up a gofundme and have elon musk or other people help to donate to them

00:46:09.920 even if it's done state by state but i'm sure that there's federal regulations that we have to work

00:46:15.520 around um i think that i think the problem is uh first of all how would we you're saying why can't

00:46:25.320 we all raise money to pay the tsa salaries didn't elon offer to do it himself clay and and that was

00:46:29.720 kind of brushed aside um first of all how much yeah that's what we're talking about well there's

00:46:34.860 50 000 employees six weeks um if the average employee is making 50 000 a year the math on

00:46:42.720 that would be roughly a thousand dollars a week yeah a week per six thousand times fifty thousand

00:46:49.120 who wants to do that math we're looking at three hundred million or three billion or what is that

00:46:54.660 i think it's three hundred million uh there we go three hundred million sounds right

00:46:58.540 i'm doing math on my calculator right now that was pretty good by the way i think mckenzie would 0.96

00:47:03.620 definitely hire you that was impressive yes three hundred million so yeah with three hundred million

00:47:08.400 I don't know what the biggest GoFundMe ever has been, but I would guess that's orders of magnitude larger.

00:47:14.660 And again, the thing I would say is they're eventually going to get the money.

00:47:18.620 So it's not as if they are being it's the fact that they're not being paid currently.

00:47:23.400 And again, all of your bills, as you well know, do not stop.

00:47:28.460 And so the average person out there doesn't have that luxury.

00:47:32.260 And a lot of these people have kids and they're taking time off and all of those things.

00:47:36.040 And so, again, I think this is a significant story that is indefensible regardless of your political posture.

00:47:47.820 And if I were having to stand in line for hours at any of these airports, I would be furious.

00:47:53.880 I would be absolutely furious.

00:47:56.520 We'll come back and close out thoughts with all of you here before.

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00:50:56.640 have a strong take on this i don't want to throw them under the bus but sources tell me that carrie

00:51:03.000 sexton and laura travis both independently have been watching this john f kennedy jr and carolyn

00:51:09.640 beset show every time i walk through my bedroom it has been playing over the past few days it makes

00:51:16.140 me think that women everywhere are watching this show the parts that i have seen are trash why are 1.00

00:51:21.580 they watching am i wrong that's for me i take it yes oh okay well listen i don't know that it's

00:51:31.940 i would love to know the demographics of who is watching the breakdown between men and women

00:51:36.400 the ages it is hitting a 90s nostalgia marrow like nothing else it is by the way it is white

00:51:44.720 women between the ages of 20 and 50 that are 95 i'm convinced of the viewership of this show this

00:51:51.600 is my take on who's watching interesting interesting well listen i'm something of a

00:51:56.900 kennedy historian i wrote uh the book ask not about the the real story of the way that the

00:52:03.140 kennedy men have treated their women um you know it's a it's upsetting to me actually because i

00:52:09.240 was talking to a friend of mine over the weekend very smart very sophisticated lifelong new yorker

00:52:14.360 grew up with jfk jr in our faces said oh you mean it's not true like the way in which their story

00:52:23.140 is being depicted in this ryan murphy fx hulu melodrama isn't true and i'm like none of it's 0.99

00:52:29.540 true they were both pretty awful shallow vain selfish people he was a moron he was a true 0.96

00:52:38.460 idiot and he i believe i theorize it with a lot of legitimacy in the book and i've done so on the 1.00

00:52:44.820 nerve because we're recapping it every week i think that was a murder suicide i really do wow 0.99

00:52:50.820 okay well hold on maureen first of all before we get that's a big thing we can address that in a

00:52:55.900 second i want to hear your details you would love that theory i knew it well you think i love that

00:53:00.720 theory all the stuff you said before that inject it right into my veins maureen every time i walk

00:53:07.040 in and my wife is watching the show by the way my wife who is totally like as right-wing as i am 1.00

00:53:12.980 she knows all this stuff but she's still watching the show so she's very very aware of the truth of 0.93

00:53:17.980 the kennedys but she laughs at me because i can't walk in without going all the kennedys are trash 0.94

00:53:22.420 they're the worst people ever camelot's all a myth a lie it is amazing the brand creation i mean can 0.98

00:53:28.820 you speak to this a little bit this whether it's camelot or it's or it's you know jfk jr all this

00:53:34.840 stuff teddy kennedy these people have a long history the whole dynasty of kennedy's of being 0.91

00:53:41.280 abject trust fund scumbags who do really bad things particularly to women but the media 0.67

00:53:46.960 keeps propping them up keeps pretending that they're the good guys okay i'm gonna to your 0.98

00:53:53.040 point right there buck i'm gonna tell you my favorite scene thus far of the entire series

00:53:57.720 i don't know if you happen to quote unquote walk by while your wife is watching it

00:54:02.760 okay i have this has happened to me seven times i've walked by and my wife has been watching this

00:54:08.340 show it's like a drive-by it's such an accident i know you guys um you know the scene where donald

00:54:14.120 as ted kennedy is ripping jfk jr a new one for fighting with carolyn publicly in the park and

00:54:20.480 they were like physical they were like going at it and ted kennedy flings a new york post on the

00:54:25.700 table across to jfk jr and goes this family means something to people right and and that scene is

00:54:33.040 done straight face and it's like this is a guy who left a campaign i didn't know i didn't know

00:54:38.900 that this scene existed but yes continue it's legit in three feet of water this is a guy

00:54:45.000 who would sexually assault waitresses in dc restaurants as recently as the 90s he did it

00:54:51.160 front of um the late michael kelly who was doing a profile for him in gq magazine and this assault

00:54:58.440 ran in gq magazine and this series is treating this family like it's our version of the crown

00:55:06.920 and you know people there's there are people who want this sort of they want to be narcotized they

00:55:12.680 want to get high on this garbage and then there are the rest of us who are like wait a minute

00:55:18.600 My problem, just as a storyteller, is that the real story is so much darker 1.00

00:55:24.300 and more effed up and compelling, and these people are such messes.

00:55:29.140 Ryan Murphy easily could have gotten three seasons out of this, easily,

00:55:32.840 but they went with the fairytale version, and it's ending this week.

00:55:37.000 Okay, so now we're talking to Maureen Callahan.

00:55:39.900 The Nerve is your podcast, right?

00:55:43.080 So you're doing phenomenal stuff, and I guess my wife is a fan.

00:55:47.340 so i actually come across my wife just walk by when she's listening like you don't listen

00:55:52.400 i just want you to know by the way i'm gonna admit this you've heard me when i walk by do i end up

00:55:57.500 watching the rest of the jfk junior episode yes i do but it's an accident when it starts but okay

00:56:02.220 i'm gonna be honest i have not sat down and watched any of it but she's obsessed with it

00:56:07.040 and i told her this was a trash show but what i was gonna say was that i come across my wife

00:56:12.100 listening to your podcast sometimes and i hear you speaking truth about kennedy's and i'm just 0.89

00:56:17.160 oh my gosh it's like the uh the john ham meme where he's dancing in the club that everyone

00:56:21.540 sees online now i'm just like oh tell more truth about the kennedys they're the worst people ever 0.95

00:56:26.160 i don't even like caroline was like ambassador these people are all just so vain and so worthless 0.78

00:56:31.860 and the democrat media props them up so much your though your statement i have to bring myself back

00:56:37.420 into this you think that the plane crash with jfk jr uh um you know his his girlfriend and her

00:56:45.280 sister just walk us through the evidence on this because you made quite a claim oh yes of course

00:56:50.920 so i studied uh the ntsb report uh the formal investigation and and findings into that crash

00:56:59.060 like a talmudic scholar okay so here's something that the mainstream media has never reported and

00:57:04.520 still will not even though i put it in ask not john f kennedy jr before crashing that night with

00:57:10.380 his wife and sister-in-law on the plane, almost smashed into a packed American Airlines commercial

00:57:15.840 jetliner making its descent to JFK. They won't report that. He didn't turn his comms on.

00:57:24.100 He didn't file a flight plan. He was seen on the tarmac carrying a half-drunk bottle of white wine,

00:57:33.140 was on pain pills for a broken bone. He had just gotten his cast off. Multiple pilots on that

00:57:39.700 Tarmac told him, don't go up. I'm not doing it. And I'm way more experienced than you are.

00:57:44.540 His flight instructor offered to go with him. He said no. And he wasn't instrument rated. It was

00:57:51.340 so hazy that night. Now, why would he do that? Everything in his life was falling apart.

00:57:58.360 His magazine had become a laughingstock in the media. It was failing and nobody wanted to buy

00:58:04.340 His marriage was falling apart. His wife was going to leave him. His cousin and best friend,

00:58:10.160 Anthony, was dying of cancer. His sister, his closest confidant, was no longer speaking to him.

00:58:17.440 His business partner had cut him out of his life. JFK Jr. thought it was a joke at first because

00:58:23.140 nobody ever left John F. Kennedy Jr.'s life. He was John F. Kennedy Jr. This guy had enough after

00:58:29.300 jfk physically assaulted him in that magazine's offices he did not have the internal resources

00:58:35.740 to deal with one of those public humiliations let alone a panoply of them and so that's what i

00:58:41.820 believe wow so that's bleak yeah that is that is very very bleak why do you think and and the

00:58:50.160 answer may well be the crown buck made fun of me initially it's a really well done show uh and i

00:58:56.300 can understand why there is a strong appeal can i just i just as background for you maureen i just

00:59:02.300 think the whole fascination with the british royal family particularly for americans is absurd i think 0.78

00:59:06.340 that they're also nepotistic clowns that don't do anything of any value but but the crown was a

00:59:11.800 really good show that's so so there's that thank you guys yes i agree it's a really good there is 0.86

00:59:18.500 mythologizing in the crown as well you know with diana i think it would have been far more intriguing

00:59:24.380 if they had really leaned into her personality disorder you know she stalked one of her married

00:59:29.760 lovers like she just prank called the house like like the princess of the doctor right the doctor

00:59:36.320 guy or no he was a different dealer oh she did also stalk the the heart doctor yeah um but the

00:59:43.120 art dealer who was married um so i just i i think had they you know in carolyn beset it's the same

00:59:49.260 thing with love story the the um the business partner who eventually walked out of john's life

00:59:54.880 she would prank call him multiple times a day and into the middle of the night and he would pick up

01:00:00.320 the phone and this is what he would hear on the other end you should get the f out of john's life 0.69

01:00:04.600 he hates you everybody hates you everybody hates you at the office you're bringing everybody down 1.00

01:00:09.760 why don't you leave you're a loser i mean this is you know sixth grade girl stuff 1.00

01:00:14.680 Why do you think this show is so popular? 0.99

01:00:17.640 Because it is.

01:00:18.480 Like, I made fun of it.

01:00:19.820 My wife watched it.

01:00:20.820 Carrie watched it.

01:00:22.120 It has really resonated with, I would, my guess is, like I said, I think it's a lot of times it's women 20 to 50.

01:00:29.580 Why is this show so popular?

01:00:31.720 Why do you think it has connected?

01:00:34.300 Yes, and I'm going to also bet that demographic has a lot of disposable income. 1.00

01:00:38.640 I have several theories.

01:00:39.660 Probably true.

01:00:40.600 Yeah.

01:00:40.860 um one it's a cinderella story but it's a real life cinderella story to a point

01:00:47.200 right the heir to camelot quote i put that in quotes and a girl who came out of nowhere he

01:00:53.020 could have had anybody so it's this real sort of wish fulfillment romantic fantasy um there

01:00:59.960 it's mythologizing which has been going on since the dawn of humanity um and it's also that last

01:01:06.580 moment in new york before the internet you know and it was a moment when media mattered you know

01:01:13.240 when these people with the stories that the media chose to tell how they chose to tell them

01:01:17.920 that that was that was what everybody believed we're in a much more complicated time and it's

01:01:23.260 not in it's no mistake that they make sure to highlight the twin towers in multiple skyscrapes

01:01:30.440 and backdrops in that series it is the book is the 90s tell tell the book but i mean i do think

01:01:37.340 there's a huge amount of 90s nostalgia that has captured much of the people who did not live in

01:01:42.780 the 90s if that may i see it on my own kids i was just plugging maureen's book because carrie's

01:01:47.040 read it cover to cover ask not about the kennedys and how they treated women and everybody no this

01:01:52.220 is all true by the way maureen i didn't get a choice in this like clay you know clay and i

01:01:56.280 talked i was like my wife she says you got to have maureen callahan on to talk about this show

01:01:59.540 and the Kennedys and everything else, so she's a fan.

01:02:01.620 Well, thanks a lot.

01:02:03.380 Yeah, when wifey's an actual fan, I'm like, I've got to have the person on the show.

01:02:07.640 So, yeah, no, she loved the book and your analysis on the stuff.

01:02:11.160 And now, by the way, she's shouting from downstairs that we have to have you on

01:02:14.260 the next time you have something really juicy on a celebrity takedown

01:02:17.740 because you see through all the nonsense.

01:02:19.620 So we're going to have you back, okay?

01:02:21.960 Thank you guys so much.

01:02:23.240 It was really fun.

01:02:24.380 What a pleasure.

01:02:25.680 The Nerve is the podcast.

01:02:27.000 Go check it out.

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01:02:28.540 I'll tell you all about, look, this is serious coming out of that,

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