Massive School Choice WIN in Texas & Opportunity for Massive WIN Nationally, plus Stopping a Nuclear Iran
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Ted Cruz and Ben Fergusons celebrate Mother s Day and talk about school choice in Texas, Iran, and the Iran deal. Plus, a new offer from Patriot Mobile that could have a big impact on your cell phone service.
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It's Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
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And Senator, I hope you had a great Mother's Day with your family.
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Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there listening.
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And I know you wanted to say something as well.
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We took her out along with Heidi and both the girls.
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And we had a great dinner together as a family.
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And I'm just grateful for all the moms in our lives because there ain't nothing better.
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We've got a big show today, including a big victory in Texas that could have a big impact
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on the country on the issue of school choice, which is something you've been championing
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We've got three big stories that we're going to break down tonight.
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And school choice, Texas just passed the biggest, the boldest, the most significant
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We're going to tell you all about it and what it means for the school children in Texas.
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We're also going to talk to you about on school choice, we have an historic opportunity right
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now to win the biggest victory in the country ever on school choice as part of budget reconciliation.
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We're going to talk also about Iran and their ongoing negotiations right now with Iran.
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There are those who are advocating for another Obama-Iran nuclear deal, which would be disastrous.
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I agree with President Trump and the red line that he has drawn, that any agreement with
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It is one that media really hasn't been covering.
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I think it's because they're terrified that this is going to give parents freedom to give
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their kids a great education, and there's a bill that passed in Texas.
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It's something that you have been advocating for for such a long time.
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Well, Governor Abbott just signed into law in the state of Texas.
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The biggest, the broadest, the most significant school choice program in the entire country.
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This has been the result of decades of battle and hard work, decades that I've been fighting
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So I'm going to walk you through, number one, the details of the bill.
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It's a billion dollars that the state has allocated to school choice.
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That is going in the form of education savings accounts.
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Education savings accounts that are going to be funded by the state to the tune of just
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under $11,000 for roughly 90,000 school kids statewide.
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In addition, kids with disability are eligible to get education savings accounts that can
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Now these are not accounts that you're saving into.
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This is the state putting funding, making it available to parents so that they can choose
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Many other states have done small little pilot programs.
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And it's worth remembering, Texas comprises 10% of the entire American population.
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Texas comprises roughly 10% of the school kids in America.
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So having robust school choice for 10% of the school kids in America is a massive and game-changing
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And I got to tell you, Ben, it's one that has been hard fought for a long time.
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You know, if you look at school choice and over the past two decades, the states that have
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led on it have been states like Florida, Arizona, Ohio, and Texas had been lagging behind.
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And I got to say, for Texans, it is infuriating not to lead.
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It is infuriating not to be standing up doing the right thing.
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And it wasn't even ideological, conservative versus moderate.
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It was rather geographic in that Texas has a lot of rural areas.
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And the challenge you faced is in the Texas State House, there were a number of rural Republicans
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But the biggest employer in their district is the public school district.
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And the school superintendents in the rural districts vigorously opposed school choice,
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most significantly because the urban superintendents and the teachers unions hated school choice.
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And so what we had in Texas for a long time is a bunch of urban Republicans who would vote
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What changed that was a massive political effort and something I started six years ago.
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Six years ago, I began intervening and making endorsements in primaries all across the state.
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And I got to tell you, Ben, out of 100 U.S. Senators, to the best of my knowledge, 99 of
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And it's where you said, this is how we get it changed.
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It is, frankly, politically stupid for a U.S. Senator to make endorsements in primary
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Because when you make an endorsement, the old rule of thumb is you get half their friends
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And so every time you do it, you're losing votes, you're losing support.
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Well, what I've done for three cycles in a row is I sit down with my team, I have them
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make an Excel spreadsheet, and I say I want to see every vote that they've cast, every
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state rep and every state senator on school choice.
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And my rule is, if you voted in favor of school choice, and you're otherwise relatively
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conservative, you're very likely to get my support.
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If you voted against school choice, the chances of my supporting you are zero.
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And if you have anything resembling a credible primary challenger, I'm going to endorse your
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Are you saying you're not subtle when it comes to you endorsing people?
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Look, I come in, I cut radio, I cut TV, I get kinetic.
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And my view is, all right, if you're not going to support choice, that's fine, but you're
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going to find something else to do, because you're not going to be representing the people
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of Texas, because the people of Texas want and deserve school choice.
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I think school choice is the civil rights issue of the 21st century.
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And so for three cycles, I've done that, and there were a bunch of Republicans who voted
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They came in, and we ran primary challengers against them, and we beat them.
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And so this time, the state senate passed a strong bill.
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I spent an entire day on the floor of the House.
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I spent an entire day on the floor of the House.
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It is weird for a U.S. senator to be on the floor of the statehouse.
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I sat in the speaker's office, and I was there trying to shore up the votes while they're
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And for everyone I'm in, I sat down, and there's some great men and women serving in the state
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And for those that are there, I told every one of them, I said, listen, this is the single
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most important vote you will cast in your time in the legislature.
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I'm here to tell you, the teachers' unions, they're going to spend millions attacking you
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And in fact, when I went and did that, I spent a quarter million dollars in TV ads, support,
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actually not TV ads, digital ads, supporting state reps, and in particular freshman state
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reps who were standing up for school choice, who were demonstrating courage.
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And I did that to say, look, you've got friendly air cover.
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But at the same time, people understood the flip side.
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If you vote on the other side, I'm going to do everything I can to retire you and put
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someone in that position who actually is going to fight to do the right thing for the kids
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So let's talk about the practical aspect of this.
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What does this mean for a parent moving forward when it comes to their kid and practically apply
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Because, look, the Teachers Union Center made this incredibly, I guess the best way to put
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it is they've complicated it with doom and gloom and extremism instead of simplifying it,
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which is part of the reason why we've seen some of you worried about school choice.
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So it was literally 30 years ago that I got involved with the school choice movement.
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I was a young lawyer, and early on in the 1990s, I was the national chairman of the
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School Choice and Education Reform Committee for the Federalist Society.
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And I did that coming off of my clerkship with Chief Justice Rehnquist, where Leonard Leo,
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who was helping run the Federalist Society, asked me, would you lead this because you're
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And I'll tell you what I said, actually, when he did.
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But I said, to be honest, I don't have a record on this.
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And so I said, I'll do it, but I want to have a co-chair with me.
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And I asked for the co-chair to be a woman named Nicole Garnett.
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She was married to Rick Garnett, who was my co-clerk with Chief Justice Rehnquist.
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Both Rick and Nicole are professors at Notre Dame.
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But Nicole, at the time, was a lawyer at the Institute for Justice, and she was litigating
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And so she had been representing, defending these programs and winning victories.
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And I said, look, Nicole's got a record on this.
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I got to tell you, so in the 1990s, when you were debating school choice, like in 1999,
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all right, I had a very odd speaking invitation.
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Where do you think I was invited to speak in 1999?
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I was the keynote speaker, or one of the keynote speakers.
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If you say the Democratic National Convention, I'm going to laugh out loud.
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And the ACLU, they had a one-on-one debate on school choice between me and Juan Williams.
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And you know Juan, and it was moderated by Barry Lynn, who runs Americans United for Separation
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of Church and State, who's a big lefty who hates school choice.
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There were over 500 hardcore left-wing ACLU activists, maybe the most hostile audience
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I will tell you, in the 1990s, when you were arguing about school choice, the teachers'
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unions would say, if kids have a choice, it'll destroy the public schools.
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And I've got to say, that's a serious and powerful argument.
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If that were true, Ben, I would oppose school choice.
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Because the vast majority of kids are educated by the public schools, and for the foreseeable
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future, will continue to be educated by the public schools.
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Back then, school choice was a theoretical idea.
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Milton Friedman, another free market economist, had talked about it.
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But it hadn't been implemented a lot of places.
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What has happened in the last 30 years is we have seen roughly 30 different school choice
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programs implemented all over the country, and we now know the facts.
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Number one, the claim that it destroys the public schools, we know, is objectively false.
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Because everywhere it's been implemented, that has not happened.
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Consistently, when choice is implemented, you see, for the students who exercise a scholarship,
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who take another choice and leave off at a failing school to go somewhere else, the results
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Their reading scores go up, their math scores go up, their high school graduation rates
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It has a profound effect on the students that accept and use the scholarships or use the education
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savings accounts to choose a preferred, something they want more than where they were already.
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But here's the striking thing that is really important.
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We now know that choice is also good for the public schools.
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So for the students that never exercise choice, that stay at the same school that had been struggling
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or failing, when the other students have the ability to exercise choice, we've seen quality go up,
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It turns out when you have to fight for your customers, for your clients, for your students,
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or else they leave, you end up providing a better product.
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We know that consistently across the country, and we're about to see it, I believe, powerfully
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in Texas in numbers that are frankly just bigger than any other state.
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So, Senator, the next question I've got to ask is, how do we get this federally?
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How do we have the ability for so many people to get what we just accomplished in Texas
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It took you a long time to pull this off in Texas, and you got your hands dirty in the process.
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Well, it is an uphill battle, and it's a battle that I've been fighting for the past 13 years.
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Since I've been in the Senate, I've been the leading defender, the leading advocate of school choice.
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The single biggest legislative victory that I've had that I'm most proud of in my entire time in the Senate
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Back in 2017, when we were passing the Trump tax cuts, I introduced an amendment that expanded college 529 savings plans
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So, 529 savings plans let parents and grandparents save in a tax-advantaged way for college expenses,
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and I had an amendment to say this can now apply to K-12, to public schools, private schools, parochial schools, your choice.
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It ended up passing on the floor of the Senate at 1 in the morning.
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It was tied, and so the vice president came down at 1 in the morning and broke the vote.
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It remains, to date, the single most far-reaching federal school choice bill that's ever passed.
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Now, when Trump was president, I then introduced a much broader school choice bill.
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And it was a school choice bill that I introduced along with President Trump's secretary of education at the Department of Education.
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And it would create a federal tax credit for contributions given to scholarship-granting organizations in the states.
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The states would administer them. The states would run them.
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But you would get a dollar-for-dollar contribution.
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So if Ben Ferguson gave money to a scholarship-granting organization in Texas,
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you would get a credit on your federal income tax for the amount of your contribution.
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And it was structured so it was $10 billion a year, so $100 billion over 10 years.
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Now, there are no federal strings on the money, other than the only requirement is that the scholarship-granting organizations cannot discriminate against private or parochial schools.
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They have to let the parents and the kids actually decide.
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And as long as the parents and kids are choosing, it is up to the states to administer and the parents and kids to administer.
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So that bill I rolled out at the Department of Education.
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President Trump, in the State of the Union address, called on Congress to pass it.
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The problem is every Democrat in the Senate opposes school choice because the teachers' unions are the single most important donors and the most important foot soldiers for Democrat candidates.
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And so every one of the Democrats is more afraid of the teachers' union bosses than they are motivated to help the kids who are trapped in failing schools.
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Now, your question, Ben, is how can we get it done at a federal level?
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Budget reconciliation means that we can pass a tax bill with only 50 votes in the Senate, with only Republican votes.
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So I'll tell you, I am making the hard run at my colleagues, that we have the chance right now, as a part of one big, bold, beautiful bill, to pass the biggest federal school choice bill in history.
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The Democrats cannot stop it if Republicans stand together.
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We had this past week, we had a retreat of all the Senate Republicans, and we're talking about all the different priorities for budget reconciliation that we're trying to pass.
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And one of the things I stood up and said to my colleagues is, look, this bill is going to be $4 trillion, $4.5 trillion.
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It's going to be a big bill that impacts a lot of things.
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A lot of what we're working on, individual tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, small business tax cuts, those are all massively, massively important.
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But I said, we ought to focus at least a little bit on legacy.
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We ought to focus on 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now.
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What will make a difference 40 years from now that people will say, this changed the country, this changed my family?
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And the case I made to my colleagues is there's just about nothing we could do that would have a bigger legacy than school choice, $10 billion a year in federal tax credits for contributions to scholarship granting organizations.
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In the states, you would see $10 billion worth of new scholarships in all 50 states.
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We can get that done if we simply stand together right now.
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I want to talk about what we all saw, some big news that deals with the issue of Iran.
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You went on Life, Liberty, and Levin, our good friend Mark Levin's show.
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And we're talking about Iran right now and what they're actively trying to do.
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Well, right now there's ongoing negotiation going on with the nation of Iran.
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And the Ayatollah is a theocratic lunatic.
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He regularly leads mobs chanting, death to America and death to Israel.
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And by the way, if history teaches us anything, it's that if somebody tells you they want to kill you, believe them.
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And when it comes to Iran, I'll tell you, there are some voices in Washington and the administration that are pushing for another Iran deal.
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I got to ask, because there's some of you listening, they're going to say the same thing I'm saying right now is,
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why on earth would you want an Iran deal if you know that they cheated on the last deal?
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So, look, I don't know, I'm not Sigmund Freud, I'm not their psychoanalyst, I just know they're advocating for it.
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If you look at the Obama-Iran nuclear deal, the elements of it, it lifted international sanctions,
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it allowed Iran to sell oil on the global market,
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and it allowed Iran to have its nuclear program continue unmolested.
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There are voices within the administration, and by the way, I led the charge to pull out of that disastrous deal,
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It was the single most important decision, national security decision of his first term,
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to pull out of the disastrous Obama-Iran nuclear deal.
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And right now there's a battle within the administration,
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but I agree with the red line that President Trump has drawn.
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And he has said that any deal must include full dismantlement,
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dismantling the centrifuges, shutting them down, that anything short of that is unacceptable.
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When you look at that deal, and I want to play part of what you said on Mark Levin's show,
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because it is more background just on how crazy the Atilla is in Iran,
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and how big of a threat it is, and why you shouldn't trust them.
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It's my understanding that the vast majority of Republicans in the Senate and the House
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are saying Iran must dismantle its nuclear program.
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We know what it means when people talk about a civil or civilian nuclear program.
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And I got to say, Mark, there's a real contrast between the strength that President Trump has
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shown with respect to Iran and the weakness and appeasement that Joe Biden showed for four years.
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The first term, President Trump took on Iran directly, pulled out of the disastrous Obama-Iran
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And the result, maximum pressure put the Iranian economy into freefall.
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Their oil sales fell from a million barrels a day of oil down all the way down to 300,000
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When Joe Biden came into office, the Iranian economy was in shambles, and the Ayatollah and
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And as a result, the Ayatollah's oil sales skyrocketed from 300,000 barrels a day to 2 million
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That's $100 billion that Joe Biden and the Democrats gave the Ayatollah.
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And the Ayatollah is using it to fund the IRGC to attack and kill Americans.
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The Ayatollah is using that to fund Hamas and Hezbollah.
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In a very real sense, Joe Biden and the money he gave the Ayatollah funded October 7th.
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Now that Donald Trump is back in office, he's drawn a clear red line.
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Iran must dismantle their nuclear capacity.
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It is the only thing that is verifiable, is full dismantlement.
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And I have every confidence the president is going to hold that line.
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I do, but I don't have any confidence in the Iranians who lie and cheat and steal and
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And so the question is, how can we expect a regime that does all those things and is
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not abided by anything it's agreed to, anything it has promised over the course of the last
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Here we are at the 11th hour trying to deal with this.
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How do we make sure that they do what we tell them they must do?
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Well, listen, we can't trust them because we know that they lie and they lie over and
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It's worth noting the Ayatollah right now today is actively trying to murder Donald J.
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Trump, has hired hit men trying to murder the president of the United States.
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The Ayatollah is also actively trying to murder the former secretary of state, Mike Pompeo,
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and the former national security advisor, John Bolton.
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They have hired hit men that are targeting former senior U.S. officials and the sitting
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These are not people who can be trusted, which is why the objective must be full dismantlement,
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must be the centrifuges disassembled, destroyed, taken out.
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And as President Trump said recently, we can do that either nicely or not so nicely.
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Nicely, if they agree and we go in and dismantle them ourselves or not so nicely, is if Iran refuses
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to negotiate, we have the capability to take out these nuclear facilities.
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And I got to say, Mark, you and I have talked about this.
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Listen, there are some voices in the Trump administration that are on the isolationist
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wing of foreign policy that say, let's not worry about Iran.
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And listen, I am someone who is very reluctant to use military force, but Iran is trying to
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build nuclear weapons because Iran wants to be able to threaten to use nuclear weapons,
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And I believe a nuclear Iran is an unacceptable threat of seeing an atomic bomb detonated in
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the skies of New York or the skies of Los Angeles.
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And so our commander in chief, President Trump, I don't think he's going to allow that risk.
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We are going to demand the centrifuges, the nuclear capability be dismantled.
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And they either do so willingly or they'll be dismantled unwillingly.
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From you, Levin there, and the president, it seems to be y'all are all in lockstep on the
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Well, and you asked, why do people oppose this?
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The rhetoric they use is they say, well, if you're standing up to Iran, you're a warmonger.
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And let me be clear, as I mentioned to Mark Levin, I have consistently been very reluctant
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You know, you go back to 2016, the presidential race.
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You had 17 Republicans running for president that year.
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Set Rand Paul aside because Rand's views are unique in the Senate.
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Of the remaining 16, there were only two of us on that stage who believed and said the Iraq
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Donald Trump and me, both of us said the Iraq war was absolutely a mistake.
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I believe it was a mistake because you had a dictator, a cruel dictator, Saddam Hussein,
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And the result was the terrorists took over and they began killing Americans.
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Toppling a dictator and putting the terrorists in charge was a mistake.
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By the way, we made the same mistake in Libya where you had Qaddafi, another very cruel
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We came in and toppled him and the terrorists took over and they began killing Americans.
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So when I say that we need to focus on American national security, it doesn't mean we should
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It means we should look at serious, real threats to our national security.
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And I think the single most acute threat we face, the urgent threat we face right now,
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is a nuclear Iran because you've got a theocratic lunatic who has said he wants to murder us.
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And by the way, we know that he's willing to hire hit men to try to murder the president
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already. And if he had nuclear weapons, I think the odds are unacceptably high he would
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use them. And so in the first term, what I advocated for and what President Trump agreed
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with was maximum pressure using sanctions, cut cutting off their financial system.
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Their economy went into free fall because President Trump stood up against the Ayatollah.
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And it was incredibly effective until Joe Biden undermined it by embracing appeasement.
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That was a massive mistake. And I hope and believe President Trump is turning that around
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Yeah, it is really incredible to see him standing up and saying, hey, there are certain things
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that we're just not going to deal with and certain things that we're not going to negotiate
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on. And that's exactly what you're hearing from the president now.
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