Verdict with Ted Cruz - April 17, 2024


Mayorkas Impeachment Trial TODAY-the Inside Story & Everything You Need to Know


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Today, the Senate will begin hearing the articles of impeachment for Alejandro Mayorkas. Ted Cruz and Ben Fergus take a look at what's in store for today's hearing and give their predictions on how it will play out.

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00:00:05.860 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:09.640 Senator, it was a very, very lively day in the Senate,
00:00:15.180 and it deals with the Mayorkas impeachment.
00:00:18.040 Get everybody up to speed on what we're going to be seeing over the next day.
00:00:21.920 Well, this week is an historic week in the United States Senate.
00:00:25.120 Yesterday, on Tuesday, the House of Representatives delivered articles of impeachment for Alejandro Mayorkas to the Senate.
00:00:33.520 This is only the 22nd time in our nation's history that articles of impeachment have been delivered to the Senate.
00:00:39.580 Today, on Wednesday, the Senate will commence the hearing at 1 p.m. today under the Senate rules.
00:00:45.260 We will convene. We will be sworn in as jurors in the trial.
00:00:49.400 I expect a battle. I expect some fireworks.
00:00:52.540 And sadly, I expect the Democrats to try to utterly dodge the issue and throw it out and refuse to hold a trial.
00:00:59.660 But today is going to be a big battle because this is going to be all about the Democrats being willing to throw the Constitution in the trash
00:01:07.560 in order to avoid any national attention on the disaster that is playing out on our southern border
00:01:13.620 and in order to avoid any accountability for their responsibility for the lives that are being lost
00:01:20.340 because of Joe Biden and the Democrats' open borders.
00:01:23.700 Democratic leadership said they were hoping this would take about a day.
00:01:26.840 I want to get your take on how this is going to play out.
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00:03:13.320 Senator, there was a prediction that came from the Democrats.
00:03:17.300 They made it very clear.
00:03:18.320 Chuck Schumer said,
00:03:19.160 Hey, we think we can get done with this thing in maybe a day.
00:03:23.100 Is that a possibility now, yes or no?
00:03:26.780 Well, sadly, yes.
00:03:28.180 And in fact, I would say it's likely right now.
00:03:30.780 So let me describe what happened yesterday on Tuesday and what's likely to happen today.
00:03:35.380 So yesterday on Tuesday at about 2.30 in the afternoon, the House managers arrived at the Senate.
00:03:42.880 When they did, virtually every senator was sitting at their desks on the Senate floor.
00:03:48.380 The House managers came in under the Senate rules.
00:03:51.700 So the Senate exists in three different states.
00:03:54.220 One is considering the legislative calendar.
00:03:57.540 One is considering the executive calendar, which is nominations.
00:04:00.240 And the third is considering impeachment.
00:04:03.360 Those are the only three states of the Senate.
00:04:06.440 Whenever articles of impeachment arrive, there are special rules that apply to impeachment that automatically kick in.
00:04:12.980 So we knew that the articles of impeachment were being delivered.
00:04:17.360 And so Patty Murray, who is the president pro tem, she is the senior Democrat. 0.89
00:04:21.840 The Democrats are in the majority.
00:04:23.040 So she's the president pro tem. 0.99
00:04:24.300 She was presiding.
00:04:25.000 And what happened was the House clerk came in and said the House managers are here to present articles of impeachment.
00:04:32.740 And the Speaker pro tem, Patty Murray, said they shall be welcomed on the floor.
00:04:38.240 They came onto the floor.
00:04:39.360 And you had about a dozen House managers.
00:04:41.440 They're all House members who were selected to present the case, to try the case.
00:04:47.680 Mark Green is the leader of the House managers.
00:04:50.840 Mark Green is the one who presided over the committee that considered the impeachment.
00:04:56.220 Mark Green is from Tennessee.
00:04:57.520 He's a good friend.
00:04:58.300 He's a West Point graduate.
00:04:59.840 He's an Army veteran.
00:05:01.020 He's a terrific guy.
00:05:03.260 And under the Senate rules, the first step is that he reads the articles of impeachment.
00:05:08.080 The articles of impeachment are – they are printed out.
00:05:11.520 They're a document.
00:05:12.400 That's actually what was voted out of the House.
00:05:15.240 And they are – what are they?
00:05:18.720 19 pages long.
00:05:19.840 So he read those 19 pages on the floor of the Senate.
00:05:24.340 That took probably 35, 40 minutes.
00:05:27.560 Virtually every senator sat there listening.
00:05:30.080 The press sat there listening.
00:05:32.760 It was important to walk through the facts.
00:05:35.200 And one of the things I want to do on this podcast is read through some of the facts that were laid out in the articles of impeachment that Mark Green read.
00:05:42.780 We all sat there and just listened.
00:05:44.940 And the Democrats had to listen to the facts, to the disaster of Biden's open border.
00:05:51.140 They had to listen to that be presented.
00:05:52.840 That was the first step.
00:05:55.840 The next step is that under the Senate rules of impeachment on Wednesday today, the Senate will come in into session at 1 p.m.
00:06:05.460 as a court of impeachment.
00:06:07.880 The very first thing that will happen is we will all be sworn in as jurors.
00:06:13.020 We will sign a book that signs that we are participating as jurors.
00:06:18.680 Now, what would ordinarily happen?
00:06:22.080 So this has happened 22 times in our nation's history.
00:06:25.560 The other 21 times, here's what would happen.
00:06:27.800 The Senate would consider and would adopt a resolution laying out a trial schedule.
00:06:33.620 That's that's ordinarily how this happens.
00:06:35.880 And you lay out a schedule.
00:06:37.460 OK, the House will present their case on X date.
00:06:40.040 They will have Y hours.
00:06:42.220 It will go this way.
00:06:43.380 Then then the defense will present their case.
00:06:46.540 They will have the following hours.
00:06:47.980 Here's here are the motions that will be in order.
00:06:50.540 It's very much like if you're in a trial court, if you're litigating a case,
00:06:55.020 you'll often have a scheduling order at the front end.
00:06:58.020 That's typically the first step.
00:07:00.600 In this instance, we are anticipating that's not going to happen because the Democrats,
00:07:05.100 Chuck Schumer has decided he does not want to have a trial.
00:07:08.720 He desperately wants to avoid a trial, and he doesn't want the House managers to present any evidence.
00:07:15.740 Schumer and the Democrats are terrified of the evidence of the suffering of the people who've died,
00:07:22.320 of the people, of the children who've been sexually assaulted, of the women who've been sexually assaulted,
00:07:27.500 of the fentanyl deaths and the drug overdose deaths.
00:07:30.780 He doesn't want that evidence put before the American people.
00:07:35.000 Understand, the Democrats have no defense on this.
00:07:39.300 They don't have a counterargument.
00:07:40.920 They don't have an alternative narrative on almost every other issue.
00:07:44.180 If I'm in the Senate and I lay out an argument for lower taxes,
00:07:47.980 the Democrats will present their counterargument,
00:07:50.900 no, no, no, we need higher taxes, stick it to the rich, make them pay more. 1.00
00:07:55.320 If we're discussing the issue of abortion, and I talk about the importance of protecting life,
00:08:00.000 they'll step in and say, no, no, no, we must have abortions everywhere, we love them. 1.00
00:08:03.900 On almost every issue, they have a counterargument.
00:08:08.800 What is remarkable, Ben, is they do not have a counterargument on the open borders.
00:08:12.820 They don't dispute any of the facts.
00:08:15.340 Their entire strategy is simple.
00:08:18.340 Hide from the facts because they are indefensible.
00:08:21.860 And so they're counting on the corporate media covering up the facts.
00:08:25.260 They're counting on the fact that CNN ignores the border crisis.
00:08:30.100 ABC ignores the border crisis.
00:08:32.040 CBS, NBC, MSNBC ignore the border crisis.
00:08:35.800 And their entire strategy is don't talk about it, pretend it doesn't exist,
00:08:40.240 and count on the media that are shameless shills for the Democrats to cover it up.
00:08:46.940 As a result, I fully expect tomorrow, Chuck Schumer intends to file either a motion to table
00:08:53.500 or a motion to dismiss.
00:08:55.760 We don't know which one yet.
00:08:57.820 But when he does so, right now the expectation is that every single Democrat will vote with him.
00:09:03.140 I hope they don't.
00:09:04.340 And I have been leading the fight.
00:09:06.300 We had a long press conference on Tuesday with multiple senators, with multiple of the House managers,
00:09:12.940 trying to put heat on the Democrats to press them to fulfill their constitutional obligation to hold a trial.
00:09:18.600 But right now Schumer's intention, he doesn't want a trial.
00:09:21.560 He doesn't want any evidence.
00:09:22.480 He wants to make this go away because he's terrified of the issue.
00:09:25.320 So how do they proceed so quickly to just shut it down?
00:09:29.740 I mean, you mentioned, and I want people to understand what it would normally look like.
00:09:32.800 You were talking about that the House would be presenting their evidence.
00:09:35.760 If this went the traditional way, when you say the House presents their evidence,
00:09:40.280 who actually does that?
00:09:41.960 How would that normally look?
00:09:43.560 And so paint that picture real quick.
00:09:45.440 Yeah, so 21 times the House has delivered articles of impeachment to this country, to the Senate, before Tuesday.
00:09:55.000 In all 21 of those times, in four of them, the Senate lacked jurisdiction.
00:09:59.900 The very first one, William Blount, was a senator.
00:10:02.580 And the Senate concluded, rightly, that under the Constitution,
00:10:06.480 impeachment only lies against either executive branch officials or judicial branch officials.
00:10:11.540 In other words, impeachment, you can remove someone, the president, you can remove a cabinet member,
00:10:17.020 you can remove a judge, but the Senate concluded you cannot remove a member of Congress,
00:10:22.320 that it's only each body.
00:10:24.140 The Senate can throw senators out, the House can throw House members out,
00:10:27.500 but impeachment's not a mechanism that applies to members of the Congress.
00:10:31.880 That was the first impeachment.
00:10:33.900 After that, there were three other instances where the person who was impeached either died
00:10:38.280 or resigned from office, but they weren't in office.
00:10:41.200 And so the Senate concluded, okay, they're out of office, we're done, there's nothing to do here.
00:10:45.340 So those four cases, the Senate lacked jurisdiction.
00:10:49.980 In 100% of the instances where the individual remained in office and the Senate had jurisdiction,
00:10:56.640 what the Senate did is conducted a trial.
00:10:59.880 They heard evidence, and the way it proceeds is the House managers present the evidence.
00:11:03.880 Actually, the senators sit there silently.
00:11:05.980 We're not allowed to engage, unlike a hearing, unlike an argument on the floor.
00:11:09.080 We're not allowed to speak.
00:11:10.560 We sit there and listen, both of the Trump impeachments.
00:11:14.660 You'll recall, verdict got started the first night of the first Trump impeachment.
00:11:19.660 That's why this podcast was born, to explain what was happening.
00:11:25.560 But the way it operates in the Trump impeachments, for example, I couldn't speak.
00:11:30.340 No other senator could speak.
00:11:31.560 We're jurors, although actually we're not just jurors.
00:11:35.480 We're also, we decide the law as well, and we're entitled to take political considerations.
00:11:40.780 We're entitled to take any considerations we want.
00:11:42.720 So it's not a jury in the ordinary sense.
00:11:46.180 And actually, in the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton,
00:11:50.000 Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, actually stood up and raised a point of order
00:11:54.620 and had Chief Justice William Rehnquist clarify that senators are not jurors in the purest sense of the word,
00:12:01.920 but rather they are granted by the Constitution the responsibility and the authority to adjudicate
00:12:07.560 and to consider matters of fact and law and consider every other factor.
00:12:11.340 So, you know, look, senators have connections to the people being impeached in ways that no juror ever would.
00:12:17.760 So, for example, for presidents being impeached, all the senators know the president.
00:12:23.120 Half the senators are of the party of the president, half are not.
00:12:26.240 In a jury, you could never have that.
00:12:29.020 You could never have people who know the criminal defendant and have a relationship with them.
00:12:33.960 But the framers established something different for impeachment.
00:12:38.140 They established that it would be the Senate that adjudicates it.
00:12:42.200 But the way it ordinarily plays out is the House managers,
00:12:46.500 and that's a group of typically about a dozen House members that are selected by the House to present the evidence.
00:12:52.380 They present the evidence, and we listen to it.
00:12:54.960 So, Senator, the next question that some people are going to ask is,
00:12:57.900 how on earth do we feel like we're living in these times where we have an open border,
00:13:05.460 where we're witnessing cities are saying they're going bankrupt,
00:13:09.200 and they're taking away from American citizens or tax dollars, giving them to illegal immigrants?
00:13:14.380 We have the fentanyl crisis coming across the southern border,
00:13:17.600 and we clearly have an administration that is not abiding by the laws that are already on the books,
00:13:22.780 specifically Mayorkas.
00:13:24.200 And it seems, based on what you're saying,
00:13:27.100 Mayorkas is probably sitting around a table laughing right now at this because he knows he's safe.
00:13:33.540 Well, he knows that the Democrats are going to rubber stamp everything he's doing
00:13:37.700 because every Democrat in the Senate supports these open borders.
00:13:40.940 Understand, this is not just Joe Biden.
00:13:43.120 This is not just Kamala Harris.
00:13:44.460 This is Chuck Schumer.
00:13:45.520 This is every single Democrat.
00:13:47.260 This is the entire House.
00:13:49.040 They all, every one of the Democrats supports this invasion.
00:13:53.760 And so Schumer wants to make this go away quickly.
00:13:57.700 He wants no attention.
00:13:58.960 He wants no press.
00:13:59.900 He wants none of the facts.
00:14:00.940 And I will say, watching the House present the articles of impeachment.
00:14:05.020 So I'm going to read some of the articles of impeachment that were read on the Senate floor.
00:14:09.060 And the reason I'm going to is because these facts were laid out,
00:14:13.160 and it was interesting watching the Democrat senators listen to it.
00:14:16.740 So, for example, here's one portion.
00:14:18.440 So the articles of impeachment go through all the different statutes that Mayorkas defied.
00:14:25.160 So, for example, here's a quote.
00:14:27.440 Alejandro Mayorkas willfully refused to comply with the detention mandate set forth in Section 235B1B2 of such act,
00:14:36.180 requiring that an alien who is placed in expedited removal proceedings
00:14:39.040 and determined to have a credible fear of persecution, quote,
00:14:42.180 shall be detained for further consideration of the application for asylum.
00:14:46.700 Shall be detained.
00:14:47.880 It's mandatory terms.
00:14:48.980 Over and over again, they go through all sorts of Section 236C of the act,
00:14:56.660 which requires that a criminal alien who is inadmissible or deportable on certain criminal and terrorism-related grounds,
00:15:02.800 quote,
00:15:03.680 shall be taken into custody when the alien is released from law enforcement.
00:15:08.060 Alejandro Mayorkas issued guidelines for the enforcement of civil immigration laws,
00:15:12.220 which instructs the Department of Homeland Security that the fact that an individual is removable,
00:15:17.700 a removable non-citizen, should not alone be the basis of an enforcement action against them,
00:15:22.080 and that DHS personnel should not rely on the fact of a conviction alone.
00:15:26.320 That's directly violating federal law.
00:15:28.720 It goes through instance after instance after instance of federal law,
00:15:32.700 federal statutes, that Mayorkas has defied.
00:15:38.060 Alejandro Mayorkas, this is quoting more from it,
00:15:40.000 Alejandro Mayorkas willfully exceeded his release authority set force in Section 236A of such act
00:15:45.540 that permits, in certain circumstances, the release of aliens arrested on administrative warrant,
00:15:51.260 in that he released aliens arrested without a warrant,
00:15:54.560 despite being subject to separate, applicable, mandatory detention requirements,
00:15:59.400 over and over and over again.
00:16:01.420 All right, here's some basic stats that it lays out.
00:16:04.560 During fiscal year 2017 through 2020, in other words, the Trump administration,
00:16:08.920 on average about 590,000 aliens each fiscal year were encountered as inadmissible aliens
00:16:15.400 at ports of entry or on the southwest border or apprehended in between ports of entry.
00:16:20.920 During Alejandro Mayorkas' tenure in office, the number skyrocketed, so it was 590,000 a year.
00:16:27.540 The first year, it skyrocketed to 1.4 million in fiscal year 2021,
00:16:32.120 and then to 2.3 million in fiscal year 2022,
00:16:36.180 and then to 2.4 million in fiscal year 2023.
00:16:41.240 Those numbers, it goes on to talk about New York City.
00:16:45.900 And it says, for instance, this is quoting, for instance, since 2022,
00:16:50.220 more than 150,000 migrants have gone through New York City's shelter intake system.
00:16:54.240 Indeed, the mayor of New York City has said that, quote,
00:16:56.700 we are past our breaking point, and that, quote,
00:16:59.420 this issue will destroy New York City.
00:17:02.860 In fiscal year 2023, New York City spent $1,450,000,000 addressing Alejandro Mayorkas' migrant crisis,
00:17:11.840 and city officials fear it will spend another $12 billion over the following three years,
00:17:18.540 causing painful budget cuts to important city services.
00:17:22.860 If you look at it, it goes on to say, for example,
00:17:28.660 during Alejandro Mayorkas' tenure as Secretary of Homeland Security,
00:17:31.960 the U.S. Border Patrol has encountered an increasing number of aliens on the terrorist watch list.
00:17:37.060 In the fiscal years 2017 through 2020, in other words, the Trump administration,
00:17:41.480 combined, 11 non-citizens on the terrorist watch list were caught attempting to cross the southwest border.
00:17:48.680 So, in other words, in four years, a total of 11 people on the terror watch list crossed.
00:17:52.860 That number increased to 15 in the fiscal year 2021,
00:17:59.280 98 in fiscal year 2022,
00:18:04.080 169 in fiscal year 2023,
00:18:08.380 and 49 so far in fiscal year 2024.
00:18:10.660 Those numbers are staggering, and I think it was important to see them read and presented on the Senate floor,
00:18:17.840 and to watch every Senate Democrat have to listen to them.
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00:18:49.880 When you say it was interesting to see their reaction,
00:18:55.660 was it a reaction of, let's hurry up and get through this?
00:19:00.380 Was it a reaction from some that they didn't even know this?
00:19:03.740 Or was it the reaction of, this is not my problem, I don't care?
00:19:08.040 I mean, what did the room look like, and were there different reactions?
00:19:12.080 So, it was the latter.
00:19:13.200 The Democrats were all staring ahead.
00:19:14.980 They didn't care at all.
00:19:15.900 They were enduring it.
00:19:16.880 They were sitting there for appearances.
00:19:18.360 You know what was the most revealing reaction?
00:19:21.040 What was that?
00:19:22.160 John Tester.
00:19:23.620 So, John Tester, everyone recognizes, is almost certainly the most vulnerable Democrat on the ballot in November.
00:19:31.400 John Tester is the senator for Montana.
00:19:33.300 Montana's going to vote for Donald Trump.
00:19:35.320 Montana's going to vote for Donald Trump by double digits.
00:19:38.160 John Tester gets re-elected every six years because he looks like a good old boy Montana farmer.
00:19:44.640 He's a big old guy with a flat-top haircut.
00:19:46.680 And you figure he's got to be reasonable middle of the road.
00:19:50.400 He votes exactly like Chuck Schumer.
00:19:52.060 He's hard left.
00:19:53.540 If Tester had a different haircut, he would never have gotten elected in Montana.
00:19:57.500 But because he's got a flat-top haircut, he gets elected.
00:20:01.080 Tester knows he's got a heck of a fight.
00:20:02.800 What was interesting is Tester was on the Senate floor before the House managers arrived.
00:20:07.000 But as soon as the House managers arrived, Tester disappeared.
00:20:11.560 Almost every single Democrat was sitting in their seats.
00:20:13.840 Tester was gone.
00:20:14.640 I assume he went to the cloakroom.
00:20:16.000 He ran away.
00:20:17.280 He's like, oh my goodness, I cannot be on the floor to hear this.
00:20:21.020 So he was gone.
00:20:21.740 His seat was empty.
00:20:23.580 The House managers read the articles of impeachment.
00:20:26.700 It takes, as I said, 30 or 40 minutes.
00:20:28.440 We all sat there listening.
00:20:30.440 And then as soon as the House managers finished and they left, you know who was back on the Senate floor?
00:20:35.020 Who was that?
00:20:35.780 John Tester.
00:20:36.860 Wow.
00:20:37.460 He, I guess, was sitting back in the cloakroom.
00:20:40.200 I don't know if he was on his phone playing video games.
00:20:42.940 I don't know what he was doing.
00:20:44.020 But he was not willing to sit on the Senate floor and listen to it.
00:20:47.160 And by the way, when he goes back to Montana, he says, I care so much about illegal immigration.
00:20:51.180 We've got to secure the border.
00:20:52.220 It's a problem. 0.98
00:20:52.820 And every word he's saying is not true because today he intends to vote to throw the damn thing out, to say, I don't want to hear a trial. 0.97
00:21:01.980 I don't want to hear any evidence. 0.97
00:21:03.600 I don't want to know what's going on.
00:21:06.100 It's not even like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand at least stays in the room. 0.99
00:21:13.120 He's an ostrich who runs his ass out of there. 0.99
00:21:15.560 And it's emblematic. 0.99
00:21:17.540 Why does Chuck Schumer want to avoid a trial?
00:21:19.980 Well, because he's desperate to protect the Democrat senators on the ballot from the consequences, from the deaths and suffering and people who are suffering misery because of their open border politics and policies, which they intend to continue.
00:21:39.700 And Schumer, this is all about political camouflage.
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00:23:33.820 Senator, let's move forward.
00:23:36.480 If the Democrats get this victory and there's a very good chance it sounds like they're going to get this victory,
00:23:42.520 which is a show trial at best and kind of a mockery of the system.
00:23:46.740 How much of an issue is this going to be for them to come back and bite them?
00:23:50.920 Come election day.
00:23:53.240 And I say that because it just came out that, for example, Colorado and Denver, they defunded the police and they're now giving the money,
00:24:01.680 which they took from police to illegal immigrant services.
00:24:05.940 I can't imagine that's going to sit well with the voters there, for example.
00:24:09.660 I just came back from New York City a couple hours ago.
00:24:13.980 And in New York City, I was there when the protests were happening.
00:24:17.860 They were protesting at City Hall, illegal immigrants demanding better hotels, like four star hotels, 1.00
00:24:26.120 and demanding more money and more food from the New York City government.
00:24:31.280 It's insane.
00:24:32.160 But this is what's happening in liberal cities right now. 0.97
00:24:34.600 Yeah, look, the left, the hypocrisy is enormous.
00:24:38.080 You ask how big an issue this is going to be, I think this is going to be the number one issue in November in every election in the country,
00:24:44.240 that Joe Biden and every Democrat member of Congress has willfully presided over and aided in abetting in the criminal invasion of this country,
00:24:55.740 that what has unfolded has been staggering.
00:24:58.720 And understand, the consequences, this is not some ticky-tack violation of law.
00:25:05.000 Rather, the consequences of this, we are seeing thousands upon thousands of people die.
00:25:11.180 We are seeing migrants die every year, multiple migrants a day dying.
00:25:17.020 We're seeing dead bodies all over Texas farms and ranches occurring over and over again.
00:25:21.020 We're seeing thousands of children brutalized by human traffickers.
00:25:24.880 We are seeing thousands of women sexually assaulted by human traffickers.
00:25:29.400 We are seeing over 100,000 Americans dying of drug overdoses every year.
00:25:34.260 The tragedy is enormous, and I think this is going to be front and center.
00:25:38.060 The Democrats are going to try to avoid accountability.
00:25:40.200 I don't think they're going to succeed.
00:25:42.080 I think this impeachment trial is exceptionally important.
00:25:45.440 And I will say, today it's going to play out one of two ways.
00:25:47.940 What the Democrats have proposed is a scheduling order that will allow votes on several motions
00:25:57.300 so there is an organizing resolution that Mike Lee has presented
00:26:00.720 that is modeled after the Trump impeachment trial
00:26:04.180 that would set it up where the Senate, the entire floor of the Senate, is the trial, 0.99
00:26:09.020 and we conduct the trial on the floor.
00:26:11.040 I'm going to vote for that.
00:26:12.240 I think all the Republicans, or most if not all, the Republicans intend to vote for it,
00:26:16.540 and all the Democrats will vote now.
00:26:18.660 I have a scheduling order that I put in that instead of having the full Senate conduct the trial,
00:26:25.320 that would appoint a trial committee.
00:26:29.280 And the way the Senate is operated, when it is the impeachment of the President of the United States,
00:26:33.640 it occurs on the floor of the Senate, and the Chief Justice of the United States presides.
00:26:39.280 But for lesser impeachment, so for example,
00:26:42.520 Mayorkas is only the second cabinet member in history to be impeached.
00:26:45.380 The last cabinet member was the Secretary of War.
00:26:47.940 In 1876, but this is exceptionally rare.
00:26:51.220 The bulk of the impeachments have been judges,
00:26:54.000 and the way it's typically worked when a judge is impeached is that the Senate has appointed
00:26:58.160 an impeachment committee with an equal number of members of each party,
00:27:02.120 and the committee has conducted the trial.
00:27:04.900 So the committee hears evidence, the House managers present evidence, it's public,
00:27:08.660 the American people can see it, and then the committee makes a recommendation to the full Senate,
00:27:13.000 and the Senate in turn, every senator has to vote guilty or not guilty on each of the articles.
00:27:17.640 That's the way it's historically worked.
00:27:19.200 So I've got an organizing resolution I filed to do that.
00:27:22.420 I would rather it be on the floor of the Senate.
00:27:24.260 I think it's important enough it should be on the floor of the Senate.
00:27:26.660 If Republicans had a majority in the Senate, I'm confident we would hold the trial on the floor of the Senate.
00:27:32.140 But given Democrats have control, I think it is reasonable for them to say,
00:27:36.460 okay, we'll do this the way every other sub-presidential impeachment has been done through an impeachment committee.
00:27:43.140 So that would be the reasonable way to do it.
00:27:47.220 They're going to oppose.
00:27:48.620 And so what Schumer has suggested is a scheduling order that will allow a vote on Mike Lee's resolution,
00:27:54.880 a vote on my resolution, and then a number of points of order,
00:27:58.620 raising problems with what the Democrats are trying to do,
00:28:02.480 of throw out the matter, prevent the House managers from presenting the evidence, and prevent a trial.
00:28:08.680 The Democrats intend to vote against all of those.
00:28:11.860 What the scheduling order that's been proposed by the Democrats would give,
00:28:16.420 some time for debate.
00:28:18.220 Right now it's an hour and a half.
00:28:19.640 An hour and a half is not a ton of time, but it's better than zero.
00:28:23.600 It is not clear if that will be agreed to.
00:28:27.000 Right now there are a couple of Republicans who are objecting.
00:28:29.540 If Republicans object to that scheduling order, then here's what will probably happen.
00:28:34.740 We'll come in at one o'clock today.
00:28:38.120 We will not get a vote on Mike Lee's scheduling order.
00:28:40.860 We will not get a vote on my scheduling order.
00:28:43.440 I and several others will rise on points of order and try to challenge this.
00:28:47.120 And what I expect is fairly quickly Chuck Schumer to file a motion to table and try to put this whole thing away.
00:28:53.820 Now the frustrating thing about doing it that way is under the rules, when we make a point of order,
00:28:58.720 you're not allowed to argue.
00:28:59.780 So we won't have debate.
00:29:00.840 We won't be able to stand up and state the reasons for our point of order.
00:29:04.340 You can get maybe 20, 30 seconds to say, I raise a point of order that X,
00:29:08.740 but you've got a couple of sentences and that's it.
00:29:11.360 So in my view, it's much better to take a scheduling order that gives us a period of time to lay out the argument,
00:29:17.680 because the entire purpose of this is to put the evidence before the American people.
00:29:22.400 But we may see one or more Republicans object, in which case we won't get any debate time at all.
00:29:27.820 And this will just get rammed through very quickly.
00:29:30.360 There's there's also the fact that I think a lot of people believe,
00:29:33.260 and I think you would agree with this, that there has been zero accountability for Secretary Mayorkas just flat out lying to Congress.
00:29:43.120 This is something that he said, and I want to get your take.
00:29:46.540 I've adhered to the oath to which I have sworn, and I have abided by the law each and every step of the way.
00:29:57.520 That's not true, is it? That's a lie.
00:29:59.780 It's an absolute lie.
00:30:01.200 And actually, there's a whole provision of these articles of impeachment that lay out how Mayorkas has repeatedly lied to Congress.
00:30:08.800 Now, it's interesting.
00:30:09.780 One of the things that the articles of impeachment also lay out is that, okay, so the Democrats are going to take the position.
00:30:16.540 This is a policy difference that, okay, the Biden administration just, they won't quite say it, but believes in open borders, so they're going to let people go.
00:30:26.740 But it's not impeachable.
00:30:28.720 It's not an offense.
00:30:30.500 What is interesting is that was not the position of the Biden Justice Department.
00:30:35.940 So you had litigation in front of the court where Texas sued the Biden administration, trying to get the court to say the Biden administration is refusing to follow immigration law.
00:30:50.440 And I'm going to read from the articles of impeachment.
00:30:54.260 The dissenting justice in that case noted, quote,
00:30:56.960 In order to reach that conclusion, the court holds that the only limit on the power of the president to disobey a law like the important provisions at issue is Congress's power to employ the weapons of inter-branch warfare.
00:31:22.760 As the dissenting justice explained, quote, Congress may wield what the solicitor general described as political tools, which presumably mean such things as impeachment and removal.
00:31:37.160 Indeed, during oral arguments, the justice who authored the majority opinion stated this to the solicitor general, quote,
00:31:42.840 I think your position is instead of judicial review, Congress has to resort to shutting down the government or impeachment or dramatic steps.
00:31:53.720 That is what the Biden Justice Department argued is that impeachment is the remedy when a president, a cabinet member refuses to follow the law, defies the law.
00:32:05.440 The Biden Justice Department argued that in front of the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:32:08.360 And yet, you know what?
00:32:10.660 Today, the Democrats are going to say, nope, impeachment's not the remedy.
00:32:14.400 If you have an executive who defies the law, it doesn't matter.
00:32:17.680 We're going to rubber stamp it and we're not even going to hold a trial.
00:32:20.500 And by the way, every Democrat will tell the reporters there was no evidence of a high crime and misdemeanor.
00:32:26.740 Now, of course, they'll say there was no evidence because they're about to vote to block all the evidence.
00:32:31.360 So they don't hear any evidence.
00:32:32.820 So then they can say, we didn't hear any evidence.
00:32:35.500 And the reason they didn't hear any evidence is because they're going to refuse to hear any evidence.
00:32:38.940 And why are they going to refuse to hear any evidence?
00:32:41.260 Because they don't want the American people to hear the evidence.
00:32:44.280 And part of what they don't want them to hear is the reality of what it's like out there on the streets.
00:32:48.300 Bill Malusian did some great reporting yesterday on Fox News Channel about elite ICE unit is tracking down migrant criminals, specifically child rapists.
00:32:58.080 This is while Mayorkas stared at Congress and said the border is secure.
00:33:03.100 The border is secure.
00:33:04.380 He said that to Congress.
00:33:06.140 He was lying.
00:33:06.760 Take a listen to this from Fox.
00:33:08.160 A short time later, ICE took down their final target, a Brazilian gang member also charged with child rape.
00:33:15.680 Just this morning today, four accused child rapists and one MS-13 gang member.
00:33:20.580 Those are the kind of people you're going after.
00:33:22.200 That's every day up here in Boston.
00:33:24.660 Those are the public safety threats that we really want to get off the street.
00:33:26.900 It was a great day for the teams.
00:33:28.100 That's five public safety threats that are not in the community going to go ahead and victimize anyone else.
00:33:35.260 And ICE says all of those arrests you just saw happen because local authorities ignored their detainer request to keep these guys in custody due to sanctuary policies.
00:33:45.140 ICE says all of those suspects will remain in federal custody until their local charges are resolved.
00:33:50.920 Then ICE will seek to deport every single one of them.
00:33:54.020 Four alleged child rapists arrested in the morning, and they said they're doing this every day, and local law enforcement is not working with them because local municipalities have said we're sanctuary cities.
00:34:08.620 So these child rapists that should have been held by local authorities are not, and yet this administration says, no, no, no, we're following the law, everything's fine.
00:34:17.820 Every single week, the Biden administration is releasing thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens. 0.67
00:34:23.940 That includes murderers. 0.99
00:34:25.220 That includes rapists. 1.00
00:34:26.160 That includes child molesters. 0.97
00:34:27.400 Every single week, every single week, we are seeing another horrific crime committed by an illegal alien released by Joe Biden and the Democrats. 0.50
00:34:35.440 Week after week after week, whether it was Lake and Riley in Georgia and the horrific murder that occurred from an illegal alien that Joe Biden and the Democrats released.
00:34:43.860 Whether it was Jeremy Caceres, a beautiful two-year-old boy in Prince George's County, Maryland, just a few miles from where I am right now in D.C., murdered by an illegal alien that Joe Biden released.
00:34:55.540 Or whether it was a 15-year-old girl in Boston, Massachusetts, severely disabled, who was raped by an illegal alien that not only did Biden release, he flew from Haiti to America.
00:35:11.420 So we've covered on this podcast how 320,000 illegal immigrants were flown into America by the Biden administration. 0.88
00:35:19.040 He literally imported in a child rapist who's now been arrested for raping the severely disabled 15-year-old teenager. 0.93
00:35:27.900 This is happening week after week after week. 0.92
00:35:30.740 This is why the Democrats don't argue on the other side.
00:35:33.200 What's the counter-argument of, no, it's good a two-year-old boy is murdered. 0.99
00:35:37.360 No, it's good that we have teenage girls being raped. 1.00
00:35:39.980 That there is no counter-argument. 0.98
00:35:42.840 So their counter-argument is, see no evil.
00:35:47.340 Their counter-argument is John Tester running from the Senate floor and hiding in the cloakroom because he doesn't want to listen to what's happening.
00:35:53.760 Why?
00:35:54.860 Because he intends to vote today to say, no trial, no evidence.
00:35:58.980 I don't want to know.
00:36:00.440 I do not care about the people dying.
00:36:04.160 I'm a Democrat.
00:36:05.000 I want Democrats to be in power.
00:36:07.520 10.4 million illegal immigrants meet more Democrat voters.
00:36:10.860 So if people have to die for me to stay in power, as a Democrat, I'm okay with that.
00:36:16.540 I got to say, look, it is difficult for me not to get really angry about this because as a Texan, I see, I've looked in the eyes.
00:36:24.860 When you go down to the border, as I have over and over again, and you look in the eyes of these little children who have been brutalized, it makes you angry that these people, tomorrow, more children will be brutalized. 0.94
00:36:36.140 Tomorrow, more women will be raped. 1.00
00:36:38.000 And not a one of these Democrats cares. 0.99
00:36:40.540 Not a one of them will do anything to change it.
00:36:42.720 And they'll tell you, oh, I care.
00:36:43.820 But if you cared, you would change it.
00:36:47.020 And not a one of them is willing to do that.
00:36:49.400 Yeah, it's very true.
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00:38:51.460 Senator, I want to play something else.
00:38:53.780 And this, there's two things I actually want to play.
00:38:56.060 I want to go back in time.
00:38:57.740 And this is my orcas in front of the White House.
00:39:00.680 And then I'm going to compare it to what Schumer said last week.
00:39:04.040 Do you believe that right now there's a crisis at the border?
00:39:07.440 I think that the answer is no.
00:39:10.140 I think there is a challenge at the border that we are managing.
00:39:14.260 And we have our resources dedicated to managing it.
00:39:18.520 That was March 1st, 2021.
00:39:20.240 Secretary Mayorkas insisting there's no crisis at the border despite millions of illegal immigrants coming across and literally thousands of illegal crossings per day.
00:39:29.860 Then you go to last week.
00:39:32.060 Chuck Schumer making it clear this is a policy now of the Democratic Party to have an open border.
00:39:39.160 Colleagues say you're going to offer a motion to dismiss the impeachment charges on Thursday.
00:39:43.960 Are you at all concerned that if some Democrats in tough races vote for that, you can come back to hawk them on the campaign trail?
00:39:49.540 Look, we're going to try and resolve this issue as quickly as possible.
00:39:53.800 Impeachment should never be used to settle policy disagreements.
00:39:59.100 Never be used to settle policy disagreements.
00:40:01.860 This is the policy of the Democratic Party.
00:40:04.080 And Mayorkas lied to your face in March of 2021 saying that there's no crisis at the border.
00:40:10.080 And in their mind, from a policy viewpoint, Senator, I think it's abundantly clear now they're on the record saying a wide open southern border and millions of illegals coming across is not a crisis.
00:40:22.420 It's just a policy disagreement.
00:40:23.880 And it's the policy they support.
00:40:26.540 And Schumer repeated those those two lines at the press conference about four more times that said we're going to try to get rid of this as quickly as possible.
00:40:34.020 And impeachment should never be used for policy dispute.
00:40:36.420 What's interesting, he didn't have a third line.
00:40:38.140 He was reading those talking points.
00:40:39.680 He was being very precise.
00:40:41.220 He's not defending.
00:40:42.300 He's not saying, hey, this is a good policy.
00:40:44.080 I agree with the policy of the Biden administration.
00:40:46.040 I think it's great.
00:40:46.740 We have an open border.
00:40:47.800 I think it's terrific that we're releasing murderers.
00:40:49.740 I think it's terrific that we're releasing rapists.
00:40:51.420 I think it's terrific we're releasing child molesters.
00:40:53.520 We're releasing drunk drivers.
00:40:54.980 I think it's terrific that 100,000 people have died of drug overdoses every year and we keep allowing more and more.
00:41:00.180 I think it's terrific that in 2018, the Mexican drug cartels made $500 million from human trafficking.
00:41:07.400 In 2022, they made $13 billion.
00:41:10.480 I think it's fabulous that we, the Democrats, have produced a 2,600 percent increase in the revenue for the Mexican drug cartels.
00:41:18.560 The biggest friends the human traffickers have ever had in the history of humanity have been Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas.
00:41:28.160 That is the simple reality, and none of that does Chuck Schumer say.
00:41:33.720 Instead, he says, hey, this is just a policy dispute.
00:41:36.600 You know, they, the other side believes in securing the border, and we want this country invaded.
00:41:41.140 It is the policy of the Democratic Party, and it's sad, but we're witnessing the demise of this country, our borders, and our laws at the hands of these people, and it is their policy to do this.
00:41:51.320 America will come back, though. 0.97
00:41:52.440 America will come back. 0.84
00:41:54.180 We are not witnessing the demise.
00:41:56.000 We are witnessing the attempted demise, and I believe in this country.
00:41:59.620 I think we will come back. 0.98
00:42:00.720 I think millions of Americans are looking at this and saying, holy crap, this is horrific. 0.99
00:42:06.820 This is inhuman. 0.99
00:42:07.820 This is wrong.
00:42:08.920 That's why this trial is so important.
00:42:11.980 Is there a lot of people that still don't know what's happening?
00:42:15.240 They don't understand.
00:42:16.540 If you watch CNN every day, God help you, but you have no idea because the media are propagandists.
00:42:23.480 That's why this trial is important, but I think people's eyes are opening up.
00:42:28.620 I hope you're right, and it's going to be very important come November.
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