Verdict with Ted Cruz - Mr. Magoo Goes to Poland

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00:00:10.880 You're hearing criticism from the right.

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00:04:31.000 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:04:33.280 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:04:35.120 Senator,

00:04:36.160 there are flubs

00:04:37.660 and there are flubs.

00:04:39.260 There are bad tours around the world

00:04:41.660 and there are really,

00:04:42.760 really bad tours around the world

00:04:43.940 amid a war in Europe.

00:04:45.900 President Biden during this disaster

00:04:50.000 committed America

00:04:51.480 to using chemical weapons,

00:04:53.380 called for regime change in Russia

00:04:55.640 and said that American troops

00:04:57.380 are going to be going to Ukraine.

00:05:00.180 Apparently the White House

00:05:01.500 has walked this back.

00:05:03.100 The White House coming out

00:05:04.260 against the President

00:05:05.220 of the United States

00:05:06.080 is astounding in and of itself.

00:05:09.220 What happened

00:05:10.460 and what does it mean

00:05:11.440 for America's involvement in this war?

00:05:12.920 Well, it's the most spectacularly

00:05:16.520 disastrous foreign trip

00:05:18.160 for a president

00:05:19.720 that I can remember.

00:05:21.060 And it actually beats out

00:05:22.580 George Herbert Walker Bush

00:05:23.920 when he went to Japan

00:05:24.760 and threw up

00:05:25.720 on the Prime Minister of Japan.

00:05:27.280 And that, by the way,

00:05:28.480 is not a great look

00:05:29.520 for a president

00:05:30.140 to be vomiting

00:05:30.800 on a head of state.

00:05:32.320 But in this instance,

00:05:34.420 we would have been better off

00:05:35.560 if Biden had simply thrown up.

00:05:38.960 You know, as I counted, Michael,

00:05:40.660 there were five separate screw-ups

00:05:43.240 on one trip.

00:05:44.780 The first that's gotten

00:05:46.000 the most attention

00:05:46.760 is when he came out

00:05:48.800 in favor of regime change

00:05:50.160 and said, you know,

00:05:52.660 how can this man stay in power?

00:05:54.600 Dear God,

00:05:55.100 how can this man stay in power?

00:05:56.960 And by the way,

00:05:58.220 it is a potentially reasonable position

00:06:02.240 to be in favor of regime change.

00:06:04.780 Except he didn't know

00:06:05.700 he was in favor of regime change.

00:06:07.400 He made the policy.

00:06:08.580 And then the White House

00:06:10.500 immediately walked it back

00:06:11.480 and retracted it

00:06:12.140 and said, oh, no, no, no, no.

00:06:13.060 He didn't mean anything by it.

00:06:16.120 Look, we've talked about

00:06:17.260 in this podcast

00:06:17.920 how I actually think

00:06:20.220 through taking away

00:06:22.240 Russia's oil and gas customers,

00:06:24.020 through taking away

00:06:24.880 the billions they make

00:06:26.100 selling energy,

00:06:27.540 that we could put real pressure

00:06:29.180 on the oligarchs

00:06:30.260 and the KGB holdovers

00:06:32.000 to get rid of Putin.

00:06:33.620 And that would be,

00:06:34.400 the world would be better

00:06:35.360 with Putin out of power.

00:06:36.380 But Biden was not actually

00:06:38.980 making an intelligent position

00:06:40.800 as commander-in-chief

00:06:42.040 calling for pressure

00:06:44.100 to change the corrupt dictator

00:06:47.540 in Russia.

00:06:49.000 He was just sort of musing out loud.

00:06:52.080 Well, and you can tell

00:06:53.340 it wasn't intentional

00:06:54.280 because he reversed his position

00:06:56.120 when the staff members

00:06:57.200 at the White House told him to.

00:06:58.660 So this was a major flub

00:07:00.600 in the middle of a war

00:07:01.840 that's already quite tense.

00:07:03.340 Yeah, and it's a big damn deal.

00:07:05.200 Um, number two,

00:07:08.580 he told the 82nd Airborne

00:07:10.120 they were going to Ukraine.

00:07:11.420 He's talking to the 82nd Airborne

00:07:12.840 and said,

00:07:13.120 when you're in Ukraine,

00:07:13.960 this is what you'll see.

00:07:15.220 You'll see Ukrainian women

00:07:16.280 in front of tanks.

00:07:17.940 And the soldiers there are going,

00:07:20.460 what do you mean

00:07:21.540 when we're in Ukraine?

00:07:22.840 Like, we're not sending

00:07:25.300 our guys to Ukraine.

00:07:27.080 And so that was,

00:07:28.640 that was gaffe number two.

00:07:30.060 They had to walk that back.

00:07:31.020 It said, no, no, no, no,

00:07:31.600 the 82nd Airborne

00:07:32.480 is not going to Ukraine.

00:07:33.340 The, the, when you're in Ukraine,

00:07:35.100 it's just a figure of speech.

00:07:37.460 You know, you know,

00:07:38.320 like, like everyone uses it

00:07:39.760 when you're in Ukraine.

00:07:40.600 It's just, just how you

00:07:41.700 start a conversation.

00:07:42.620 Well, you say when in Rome.

00:07:43.960 And just like you say that,

00:07:45.140 you say when in Ukraine.

00:07:46.080 Yeah.

00:07:46.880 Yeah.

00:07:48.100 Uh, number three

00:07:49.860 was chemical weapons.

00:07:51.380 And you, you referenced it

00:07:53.180 in the opening where he said,

00:07:54.560 look, if Russia uses chemical weapons,

00:07:57.860 we will respond in kind.

00:07:59.360 Like, holy crap.

00:08:01.380 What?

00:08:02.060 Like the president just said,

00:08:03.280 we're going to use

00:08:03.740 chemical weapons on Russia.

00:08:05.000 That, that's kind of bad.

00:08:06.680 Yeah.

00:08:07.200 Um, you know,

00:08:08.940 we do have treaty obligations

00:08:10.400 against using chemical weapons.

00:08:12.920 He, of course, didn't mean it.

00:08:14.060 They immediately walked it back

00:08:15.020 and said, no, no, no, no.

00:08:15.800 We will respond somehow.

00:08:18.020 Yeah.

00:08:18.400 But not actually in kind

00:08:21.020 using chemical weapons.

00:08:22.080 So that's, that's gaffe number three.

00:08:24.200 Uh, gaffe number four

00:08:25.540 is a little technical,

00:08:26.440 but, but is consequential,

00:08:28.420 which is he said,

00:08:30.040 sanctions like sanctions

00:08:31.740 on Nord Stream 2

00:08:32.720 don't deter conduct

00:08:35.300 and they're not meant

00:08:36.060 to deter conduct.

00:08:37.820 Now, mind you,

00:08:39.560 for months,

00:08:40.460 the Biden administration's

00:08:41.660 entire talking points

00:08:42.740 for why they didn't impose

00:08:44.620 sanctions on Nord Stream 2,

00:08:45.900 why they waived the sanctions

00:08:47.040 was that the threat of sanctions

00:08:48.640 was a deterrent

00:08:49.460 that would prevent Putin

00:08:50.400 from invading Ukraine.

00:08:51.700 So it's literally what they said

00:08:53.100 day after day,

00:08:54.420 week after week,

00:08:55.300 month after month.

00:08:55.940 They stood up and said,

00:08:56.560 oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:08:57.820 The sanctions are not

00:08:58.940 about deterring anything.

00:09:00.100 Right.

00:09:00.540 They've walked that back.

00:09:02.160 And then the fifth gaffe,

00:09:04.040 it is one that has been

00:09:06.260 less noticed,

00:09:07.180 but it, but in many ways,

00:09:08.220 it's, it's one of the most shocking.

00:09:10.680 So when he was doing

00:09:11.720 a press conference,

00:09:12.800 explaining away

00:09:13.940 his other four gaffes,

00:09:15.180 um, where he famously

00:09:17.340 had a note card

00:09:18.100 where he was instructed

00:09:18.920 what to read.

00:09:19.640 I didn't mean regime change.

00:09:21.360 I was just expressing

00:09:22.220 moral outrage.

00:09:22.980 Um,

00:09:24.680 his explanation was,

00:09:28.460 I was just talking

00:09:31.300 about the Ukrainian troops

00:09:35.300 that we are training

00:09:37.500 in Poland right now.

00:09:39.020 and everyone said

00:09:42.240 the, the, the, the,

00:09:43.580 the what we're what

00:09:44.540 and where come again.

00:09:45.840 Yeah.

00:09:46.240 And, and if we are doing that,

00:09:49.420 I don't know about it.

00:09:50.900 So I, I'm not in a position

00:09:52.800 to reveal any classified

00:09:53.800 information because I don't

00:09:55.180 have any on this topic,

00:09:56.440 but if what Biden said

00:09:58.960 is right,

00:10:00.340 then he almost surely

00:10:01.860 revealed classified

00:10:03.600 information on national

00:10:05.660 and globally televised,

00:10:07.400 uh, TV.

00:10:10.500 And then the White House

00:10:11.580 immediately walked that back

00:10:12.600 and said, no, no, no, no,

00:10:13.220 we're not saying we're

00:10:13.920 training Ukrainian troops

00:10:14.880 in Poland,

00:10:15.680 which is what the president

00:10:16.900 just said.

00:10:17.980 Now, interestingly enough,

00:10:19.420 and it's kind of like

00:10:20.200 the first point.

00:10:21.100 So one in five

00:10:21.980 have some similarities.

00:10:22.840 Regime change and America

00:10:26.440 trading Ukrainian troops

00:10:27.700 in, in Poland.

00:10:29.320 The president actually

00:10:30.540 has the authority

00:10:31.540 to release classified

00:10:32.640 information.

00:10:33.980 So if the commander

00:10:34.660 in chief makes a

00:10:35.560 determination that it

00:10:37.500 is in the national

00:10:38.240 interest for the public

00:10:39.180 to know this,

00:10:39.880 the president can tell

00:10:42.000 people classified

00:10:42.740 information, but Biden

00:10:45.420 had no clue he was

00:10:46.360 doing that.

00:10:47.180 No one can argue

00:10:48.420 with a straight face

00:10:49.440 that he was exercising

00:10:51.040 his presidential authority

00:10:52.660 to release classified

00:10:53.540 information.

00:10:54.140 He was just presumably

00:10:56.020 repeating whatever

00:10:57.080 some briefer had told

00:10:58.420 him a few minutes

00:10:59.920 earlier.

00:11:01.340 And I got to say,

00:11:02.460 listen, I have been

00:11:03.740 watching foreign policy

00:11:07.080 for 30, 40 years

00:11:09.580 and engaged in foreign

00:11:11.020 policy for a decade.

00:11:13.080 I literally cannot think

00:11:15.060 of another example

00:11:15.960 where a president

00:11:16.780 has screwed this many

00:11:18.760 things up of this

00:11:20.100 great a consequence

00:11:21.040 in less than 48 hours.

00:11:24.460 Well, you compared

00:11:25.340 the president to Mr.

00:11:26.900 Magoo the other day

00:11:27.980 and I laughed and I

00:11:29.460 laughed because it's

00:11:30.180 true.

00:11:30.900 So it raises this

00:11:32.160 question and I'm,

00:11:33.020 I'm hesitant even to

00:11:34.440 bring it up because

00:11:35.420 every time any president

00:11:37.340 is in office, the

00:11:38.500 opposition says he's

00:11:39.640 crazy.

00:11:40.140 He's a madman.

00:11:40.940 We need to invoke the

00:11:41.640 25th amendment.

00:11:42.800 We need to remove him

00:11:43.540 for, he's unfit for

00:11:44.340 office.

00:11:45.120 This, they did it to

00:11:45.820 Trump.

00:11:46.280 They did it to Obama,

00:11:47.920 I suppose, to some

00:11:48.660 degree.

00:11:49.040 They certainly did

00:11:49.660 it to Bush.

00:11:50.540 They always do it

00:11:51.980 and it wasn't true.

00:11:53.000 None of those people

00:11:53.580 were senile.

00:11:54.580 None of them had a

00:11:55.340 mental impairment that

00:11:56.200 stopped them from

00:11:56.740 doing their job.

00:11:57.500 And beyond the

00:11:58.940 ordinary trappings

00:12:00.040 that go with office.

00:12:01.460 In this case, it

00:12:03.080 seems to me it's

00:12:04.460 different, not in

00:12:05.460 degree, but in

00:12:06.200 kind.

00:12:06.740 It seems clear, I

00:12:08.040 think even to honest

00:12:09.000 liberals, that Joe

00:12:10.340 Biden has some age

00:12:13.040 related impairment.

00:12:14.240 He's not, he's not

00:12:15.380 the man he was five

00:12:16.380 or ten years ago and

00:12:17.240 he was never all

00:12:17.880 that sharp to

00:12:18.760 begin with.

00:12:19.280 So it does raise

00:12:20.400 the question, should

00:12:22.500 we be talking about

00:12:24.220 invoking the 25th

00:12:25.340 amendment now that

00:12:26.000 this is a national

00:12:26.900 security risk?

00:12:27.880 You know, there's

00:12:30.120 no doubt he is

00:12:31.420 diminished and

00:12:32.300 diminished significantly

00:12:33.760 due to age.

00:12:36.000 I think the

00:12:37.160 threshold for the

00:12:37.900 25th amendment is

00:12:39.240 really damn high.

00:12:40.600 and it's

00:12:41.860 particularly damn

00:12:42.920 high when the

00:12:44.300 voters were on

00:12:45.220 notice of the

00:12:47.180 impairment and

00:12:48.760 elected him anyway.

00:12:50.420 And I got to say,

00:12:52.300 you know, look, it

00:12:53.020 was not a secret a

00:12:55.680 year and a half ago

00:12:56.520 that Joe Biden had,

00:12:57.980 you know, lost about

00:12:59.760 65 miles on his

00:13:01.400 fastball.

00:13:01.980 Right.

00:13:03.480 You know, his

00:13:04.880 fastball is a

00:13:05.660 wiffle ball.

00:13:06.160 And that was

00:13:08.580 blazingly obvious.

00:13:12.200 So I would be

00:13:13.260 hesitant to go down

00:13:14.140 the road of the

00:13:14.660 25th amendment.

00:13:15.320 I think it's

00:13:15.740 dangerous as hell.

00:13:17.460 I think having a

00:13:18.700 president in

00:13:20.420 office who is

00:13:22.860 less than fully

00:13:24.620 aware of what's

00:13:25.380 going on, who

00:13:27.220 our enemies

00:13:28.200 believe is less

00:13:29.800 than fully aware

00:13:30.520 of what's going

00:13:31.160 on, who our

00:13:32.240 friends believe is

00:13:33.440 less than fully

00:13:34.040 aware of what's

00:13:34.660 going on, who

00:13:35.240 everybody believes

00:13:36.620 is to a

00:13:38.860 significant degree

00:13:39.700 out of it, that

00:13:40.480 that's a real

00:13:41.280 problem.

00:13:44.200 It's one of the

00:13:45.160 reasons I think

00:13:46.500 Putin invaded

00:13:47.180 Ukraine, because

00:13:48.080 Biden is so

00:13:49.840 weak and

00:13:50.360 ineffective that

00:13:51.160 he didn't

00:13:51.680 believe there'd

00:13:52.760 be meaningful

00:13:53.180 pushback.

00:13:54.140 Now, I

00:13:55.180 agree with you,

00:13:56.280 actually.

00:13:56.700 I don't think

00:13:57.700 that it should

00:13:58.720 be a sort of

00:13:59.680 flippant decision

00:14:00.540 to remove a

00:14:01.480 president using

00:14:02.080 the 25th

00:14:02.580 amendment.

00:14:02.880 I think you

00:14:03.160 make a good

00:14:03.520 argument here.

00:14:04.080 The voters knew

00:14:04.600 about it.

00:14:05.240 Biden wasn't

00:14:06.700 exactly hiding

00:14:07.420 it.

00:14:07.860 So we've got

00:14:08.440 a president who

00:14:09.460 is not just

00:14:10.240 making some stupid

00:14:11.500 comments over an

00:14:12.260 ice cream cone, but

00:14:13.180 is actually saying

00:14:14.520 things that could

00:14:15.420 lead the United

00:14:16.060 States into a war.

00:14:17.360 There's nothing

00:14:17.820 we're going to do

00:14:18.460 about that in

00:14:19.020 terms of removing

00:14:19.660 him.

00:14:20.440 You're a United

00:14:21.020 States senator.

00:14:21.860 Can the Senate

00:14:22.900 come in and put

00:14:24.620 some guardrails

00:14:25.360 around what

00:14:26.200 President Biden

00:14:27.060 can do in terms

00:14:27.820 of foreign

00:14:28.140 policy?

00:14:29.260 Well, yes,

00:14:30.160 although we're

00:14:30.560 not going to do

00:14:31.180 so with Chuck

00:14:31.940 Schumer and Nancy

00:14:32.980 Pelosi controlling

00:14:33.920 the Congress.

00:14:34.760 And so I think

00:14:35.480 we need to get

00:14:36.000 to November.

00:14:36.820 I think we're

00:14:37.440 very likely to

00:14:38.180 win the House.

00:14:38.840 I think the odds

00:14:39.360 are quite good

00:14:39.960 we'll win the

00:14:40.440 Senate too.

00:14:41.580 And that will

00:14:42.260 provide some

00:14:43.260 meaningful checks,

00:14:44.380 but particularly

00:14:44.800 on foreign

00:14:45.260 policy.

00:14:45.760 The commander

00:14:46.280 in chief under

00:14:46.860 the Constitution

00:14:47.480 has wide

00:14:49.440 leeway.

00:14:50.540 And so there

00:14:51.540 are real risks

00:14:54.720 to having a

00:14:55.420 commander in chief

00:14:56.280 who's not up to

00:14:57.040 the task.

00:14:57.500 And I got to

00:14:58.180 tell you,

00:14:58.540 look, in 14

00:14:59.700 months, 15

00:15:00.640 months, Biden's

00:15:01.320 been in office.

00:15:02.860 I haven't spoken

00:15:03.900 to him once,

00:15:04.920 which is really

00:15:07.360 weird.

00:15:08.480 Like it is strange.

00:15:09.680 And by the way,

00:15:10.140 you might say,

00:15:10.660 all right, Cruz,

00:15:11.240 he's this right

00:15:11.980 winger.

00:15:12.340 So Biden's not

00:15:12.960 talking to Cruz.

00:15:14.840 That's true of

00:15:15.700 virtually every

00:15:16.320 Republican senator.

00:15:18.740 Lindsey Graham,

00:15:19.720 Lindsey and Joe

00:15:20.740 Biden have traveled

00:15:22.100 all over the world

00:15:23.000 together.

00:15:23.380 They've been buddies

00:15:24.060 for 20 years.

00:15:25.020 Lindsey told me a

00:15:25.660 couple of months

00:15:26.060 ago he hadn't

00:15:26.520 spoken to Biden

00:15:27.200 since Biden

00:15:27.960 became president.

00:15:28.920 Wow, that's

00:15:29.520 very strange.

00:15:30.580 Like, almost

00:15:32.120 without exception,

00:15:33.560 very few, if

00:15:34.500 any, Republican

00:15:35.160 senators are

00:15:35.800 speaking to him.

00:15:36.300 I think the

00:15:36.600 Democrats, he

00:15:37.560 speaks to the

00:15:38.160 Democrats a

00:15:38.820 little more, but

00:15:40.360 presumably they

00:15:41.180 think he's safe

00:15:42.360 speaking to the

00:15:43.100 Democrats, that

00:15:43.800 they're not going

00:15:44.320 to reveal what's

00:15:45.640 going on.

00:15:46.280 I can tell you,

00:15:48.300 one senator

00:15:49.600 described to me

00:15:50.580 how he'd spoken

00:15:51.180 to Biden, one

00:15:51.800 Republican said

00:15:52.400 he'd spoken to

00:15:52.840 Biden once in

00:15:53.640 the past year and

00:15:54.460 a half.

00:15:55.220 And he said he

00:15:55.880 went over to

00:15:56.300 the White

00:15:56.600 House for a

00:15:57.100 bill signing

00:15:57.620 and they

00:16:00.840 were, he

00:16:01.280 said it was

00:16:01.560 fairly, it

00:16:02.160 was not a

00:16:02.600 major bill, but

00:16:03.360 it was, you

00:16:03.780 know, they

00:16:03.920 were trying to

00:16:04.300 do a

00:16:04.520 bipartisan bill

00:16:05.220 signing.

00:16:05.640 He said he

00:16:05.840 struck up a

00:16:06.320 conversation with

00:16:07.000 Joe and Biden

00:16:08.820 said, hey, have

00:16:10.200 you been to the

00:16:10.840 cabinet room?

00:16:11.600 And the

00:16:11.960 senator said,

00:16:12.720 well, I

00:16:13.100 lied and said

00:16:13.660 no.

00:16:14.760 And so Biden

00:16:15.440 took him to the

00:16:15.980 cabinet room.

00:16:17.460 And Biden

00:16:18.880 begins telling

00:16:19.920 war stories from

00:16:21.700 like 30, 40

00:16:22.800 years ago and

00:16:23.560 just reminiscing and

00:16:24.660 telling stories.

00:16:25.900 And apparently the

00:16:26.980 White House staff is

00:16:27.740 freaking out and

00:16:28.920 they're coming in,

00:16:29.440 Mr. President, Mr.

00:16:30.220 President, you need

00:16:30.740 to leave, you need

00:16:31.220 to leave.

00:16:31.640 And Biden yells at

00:16:32.540 him and says, I'm

00:16:32.940 telling stories,

00:16:33.900 damn it.

00:16:35.160 And he spends like

00:16:36.180 45 minutes

00:16:37.460 reminiscing.

00:16:39.080 And it's like, you

00:16:39.660 know, your

00:16:39.940 grandfather's sitting

00:16:40.980 there reliving, you

00:16:42.840 know, the 1950s.

00:16:44.820 He, you know,

00:16:46.840 corn pop, I don't

00:16:47.720 know if corn pop

00:16:48.540 featured in those

00:16:50.120 stories or not.

00:16:50.980 But I got to

00:16:53.480 say, I don't

00:16:54.380 have any

00:16:55.060 firsthand

00:16:55.580 knowledge of

00:16:58.500 just how

00:16:59.320 diminished he

00:17:00.000 is.

00:17:00.460 I will say it's

00:17:01.440 particularly

00:17:02.160 strange that

00:17:03.960 Biden is not

00:17:04.860 talking with

00:17:05.460 Republican

00:17:05.900 senators, given

00:17:07.420 that we all

00:17:07.840 know him.

00:17:08.420 Look, it was

00:17:08.800 Joe Biden that

00:17:09.480 swore me into

00:17:10.320 office 10

00:17:11.220 years ago when

00:17:11.900 I became a

00:17:12.360 senator.

00:17:12.740 All of us, I

00:17:13.280 mean, he is a

00:17:14.420 creature of the

00:17:15.400 United States

00:17:15.980 Senate.

00:17:16.200 Most of us

00:17:18.360 have known him

00:17:18.840 a pretty long

00:17:19.360 time.

00:17:20.560 It is an odd

00:17:22.020 dynamic and it's

00:17:23.360 clear the White

00:17:24.340 House staff is

00:17:26.100 protecting him.

00:17:27.180 They're isolating

00:17:28.000 him.

00:17:29.080 They are afraid of

00:17:30.380 what he will say

00:17:31.420 and that's a

00:17:32.100 dangerous situation.

00:17:33.680 That is.

00:17:34.020 And that inside

00:17:34.880 peak is all the

00:17:36.360 more disturbing

00:17:36.960 because Joe Biden

00:17:38.080 has a reputation

00:17:38.920 as a back

00:17:39.860 slapper, as a

00:17:40.560 glad hander.

00:17:41.300 He's the guy who

00:17:42.280 pals around with

00:17:43.040 everybody.

00:17:44.040 So it does seem

00:17:44.940 to underscore what

00:17:45.960 we're seeing from

00:17:46.460 this trip.

00:17:47.260 Namely, you've

00:17:48.300 got the White

00:17:48.960 House apparatus

00:17:49.960 and then you've

00:17:50.560 got Joe who

00:17:51.260 occasionally will

00:17:52.340 just speak out of

00:17:53.080 turn and it

00:17:53.580 doesn't really seem

00:17:54.260 to matter.

00:17:54.980 So then right

00:17:55.860 now we've got

00:17:56.440 two major issues

00:17:57.480 in the United

00:17:58.600 States, both

00:17:59.300 involving treaties.

00:18:00.660 There's the Iran

00:18:01.480 deal that Obama

00:18:03.260 struck up, Trump

00:18:04.300 shot down, now

00:18:05.020 they're trying to

00:18:05.500 bring back, and

00:18:06.700 you've got NATO,

00:18:07.680 the North Atlantic

00:18:08.560 Treaty Organization.

00:18:10.700 We know that the

00:18:12.460 Senate has an

00:18:13.320 important role in

00:18:14.460 treaties, entering

00:18:15.540 into treaties,

00:18:16.280 potentially withdrawing

00:18:17.220 from treaties.

00:18:18.140 We know that the

00:18:19.560 executive has an

00:18:20.380 important role here

00:18:21.020 and sometimes the

00:18:21.800 executive ignores the

00:18:22.680 Senate.

00:18:23.140 So where does that

00:18:24.040 stand since both of

00:18:25.320 these things are right

00:18:27.140 at the forefront now,

00:18:28.200 especially amid the

00:18:29.220 war in Ukraine?

00:18:30.420 Well, this week we had,

00:18:32.100 I think, a very

00:18:32.980 interesting constitutional

00:18:34.280 debate in the Senate

00:18:35.420 Foreign Relations

00:18:36.100 Committee.

00:18:36.920 And this week the

00:18:38.040 Senate Foreign

00:18:38.540 Relations Committee

00:18:39.360 took up a bill from

00:18:42.320 Senator Tim Kaine,

00:18:43.280 Democrat from

00:18:44.000 Virginia, was

00:18:44.780 Hillary Clinton's

00:18:45.700 running mate.

00:18:47.020 And the bill from

00:18:48.860 Tim Kaine provides

00:18:50.620 that the United

00:18:51.660 States, that the

00:18:52.520 president cannot

00:18:53.620 withdraw from NATO

00:18:55.720 without an

00:18:57.760 affirmative two-thirds

00:18:58.840 vote from the U.S.

00:18:59.880 Senate.

00:19:01.100 And the issue is

00:19:02.700 actually, I think, a

00:19:03.440 very interesting

00:19:04.340 constitutional issue

00:19:05.360 because there is

00:19:07.040 real ambiguity in

00:19:09.160 the Constitution over

00:19:10.840 whether or not

00:19:12.120 withdrawing from a

00:19:13.940 treaty takes Senate

00:19:15.220 approval.

00:19:15.680 To enter into a

00:19:16.440 treaty, the

00:19:18.400 president has to sign

00:19:19.440 it and two-thirds of

00:19:20.240 the Senate has to

00:19:20.920 ratify it.

00:19:21.860 But over the 200-plus

00:19:23.460 years of our country's

00:19:24.480 history, multiple

00:19:25.480 presidents have

00:19:26.820 asserted the authority

00:19:27.840 to withdraw from

00:19:28.720 treaties and have

00:19:30.140 done so.

00:19:31.880 And it's interesting,

00:19:33.000 actually, when Jimmy

00:19:34.740 Carter was president,

00:19:35.880 he withdrew from a

00:19:38.360 treaty concerning

00:19:39.240 Taiwan and committing

00:19:41.860 us to the defense of

00:19:42.860 Taiwan.

00:19:43.420 He withdrew from that

00:19:44.260 treaty.

00:19:45.580 And Barry Goldwater

00:19:47.100 sued him.

00:19:49.000 He was in the Senate

00:19:49.920 from Arizona and he

00:19:51.040 sued him and the case

00:19:51.920 was Goldwater versus

00:19:52.880 Carter.

00:19:54.580 And Goldwater, it

00:19:56.720 went to the D.C.

00:19:57.680 Circuit, then it went

00:19:58.320 to the U.S.

00:19:58.900 Supreme Court.

00:19:59.480 And the U.S.

00:20:00.020 Supreme Court

00:20:00.740 concluded that it was

00:20:02.320 a political question.

00:20:03.380 In other words, the

00:20:03.880 Supreme Court said,

00:20:04.860 we're not going to

00:20:06.460 answer whether

00:20:09.500 pulling out of a

00:20:11.300 treaty takes Senate

00:20:12.340 approval or not.

00:20:13.420 That it is

00:20:14.300 non-justiciable, which

00:20:16.120 is a legal term.

00:20:17.960 Something that is

00:20:18.460 non-justiciable means

00:20:19.740 it's not susceptible

00:20:20.940 to being resolved by

00:20:22.400 the courts.

00:20:23.420 If you have a

00:20:23.900 conflict between two

00:20:25.100 branches of government,

00:20:26.500 particularly if it's the

00:20:27.540 executive and the

00:20:28.280 legislature, who but

00:20:30.000 the judiciary is going

00:20:31.200 to decide that

00:20:33.140 question?

00:20:33.440 Well, what the

00:20:34.320 court said is it's

00:20:35.360 what's called a

00:20:35.900 political question.

00:20:36.900 It's non-justiciable.

00:20:38.080 It's not susceptible

00:20:38.960 to the courts

00:20:40.440 resolving it, but

00:20:42.160 rather it should be

00:20:43.720 resolved by the

00:20:45.760 political back and

00:20:46.700 forth between Congress

00:20:47.760 and the president.

00:20:49.120 What the court said in

00:20:49.900 that decision is,

00:20:50.760 listen, if Congress

00:20:51.400 disagrees with the

00:20:53.180 president's decision,

00:20:54.120 they can pass

00:20:54.880 legislation expressing

00:20:56.020 their disagreement.

00:20:56.860 They can fight back.

00:20:57.820 There's a check and

00:20:58.480 balance.

00:20:59.860 And so in foreign

00:21:00.720 relations, it's

00:21:01.460 interesting.

00:21:02.220 So I, Tim Kaine

00:21:03.220 proposed this a

00:21:05.000 while back.

00:21:06.260 And as I looked

00:21:07.280 at it, I agreed

00:21:08.900 with it.

00:21:09.320 So I co-sponsored

00:21:10.440 Tim Kaine's proposal

00:21:12.680 and I co-sponsored

00:21:14.460 it because I support

00:21:15.480 NATO.

00:21:15.840 I think NATO is

00:21:16.940 the most successful

00:21:18.940 military alliance

00:21:20.080 post-World War II

00:21:21.100 that the world has

00:21:22.260 seen.

00:21:22.660 And I think

00:21:23.160 supporting NATO

00:21:24.700 is important.

00:21:25.420 The debate we had

00:21:28.920 in the Senate Foreign

00:21:29.560 Relations Committee,

00:21:30.620 Rand Paul argued

00:21:32.600 vociferously against

00:21:35.140 Tim Kaine's

00:21:36.300 legislation.

00:21:37.780 So Rand Paul was

00:21:38.740 arguing that the

00:21:40.060 president does have

00:21:41.120 the right unilaterally

00:21:42.460 to withdraw from

00:21:43.120 treaties.

00:21:43.820 Yes.

00:21:44.880 And Rand made

00:21:46.120 constitutional arguments.

00:21:47.340 He said, look,

00:21:48.660 number one, what Tim

00:21:49.920 is proposing is

00:21:50.800 legislation that

00:21:51.700 would be passed by

00:21:52.400 the Senate, passed

00:21:53.160 by the House, signed

00:21:54.000 by the president.

00:21:55.200 How can the House

00:21:56.180 have a role in

00:21:57.040 treaties under the

00:21:57.820 Constitution?

00:21:58.440 It's just the Senate

00:21:59.200 and this is the House

00:22:00.860 inserting itself into

00:22:02.100 the treaty power.

00:22:03.780 That's a real argument.

00:22:05.100 That's a serious and

00:22:06.260 substantive argument.

00:22:08.160 And he laid out

00:22:09.360 also the history

00:22:10.240 that going back to

00:22:11.300 our earliest

00:22:11.780 presidents,

00:22:13.100 including Washington,

00:22:14.340 they've asserted the

00:22:15.260 authority to withdraw

00:22:16.260 from treaties.

00:22:18.200 Trump withdrew from

00:22:19.440 a number of

00:22:19.920 treaties and did

00:22:21.320 so without

00:22:22.220 Senate approval.

00:22:24.000 Rand also argued

00:22:25.720 under the terms

00:22:26.640 of NATO,

00:22:28.220 it provides

00:22:29.180 that America

00:22:29.840 can withdraw,

00:22:30.920 which has largely

00:22:31.480 been understood

00:22:31.980 to be the president

00:22:32.700 can withdraw.

00:22:35.220 I thought it was

00:22:36.280 a good and

00:22:37.000 robust debate

00:22:37.980 and I'll tell you

00:22:38.740 what I said,

00:22:39.420 Michael.

00:22:39.740 I said, listen,

00:22:40.840 I think the

00:22:42.080 Constitution is

00:22:42.840 ambiguous on this

00:22:43.700 question.

00:22:44.660 I think there are

00:22:45.740 decent arguments

00:22:46.900 on both sides

00:22:47.880 and I agree with

00:22:48.600 the Supreme Court

00:22:49.340 that this is

00:22:49.920 naturally resolved

00:22:51.060 in the give and

00:22:52.400 take in the

00:22:52.960 political arm

00:22:53.840 wrestling

00:22:54.260 between Congress

00:22:56.080 and the White

00:22:56.800 House.

00:22:57.180 In this instance,

00:22:58.520 I'm voting for

00:22:59.820 the bill

00:23:00.160 because I

00:23:02.960 agree with

00:23:03.660 this substantive

00:23:04.460 area that we

00:23:05.140 should stay in

00:23:05.840 NATO and I want

00:23:06.460 to put a check

00:23:07.060 and balance

00:23:07.600 against pulling

00:23:08.780 out on NATO

00:23:09.440 and this is

00:23:10.460 Congress

00:23:11.820 pressing back

00:23:13.020 to underscore

00:23:16.020 the importance

00:23:16.800 of this

00:23:17.180 commitment.

00:23:17.680 But what's

00:23:17.980 interesting,

00:23:19.100 there were

00:23:19.920 several Democrats

00:23:20.680 on the committee

00:23:21.360 who suggested

00:23:22.060 why don't we

00:23:22.660 do it more

00:23:23.120 broadly and

00:23:24.720 pass a bill

00:23:25.720 that says a

00:23:26.360 president may

00:23:27.200 not pull out

00:23:27.820 of any treaty

00:23:28.620 without the

00:23:29.960 Senate approving

00:23:30.680 by two-thirds

00:23:31.440 and what I said

00:23:32.560 in committees,

00:23:33.380 I said, look,

00:23:33.800 I would oppose

00:23:34.420 that.

00:23:35.900 I'm not interested

00:23:36.980 in across the

00:23:39.100 board asserting

00:23:40.680 this congressional

00:23:41.540 authority.

00:23:42.340 There may well

00:23:43.180 be treaties

00:23:43.880 that this

00:23:46.700 president or a

00:23:47.560 subsequent president

00:23:48.460 may want to

00:23:49.300 withdraw from

00:23:50.000 and if

00:23:50.320 Congress

00:23:50.680 disagrees,

00:23:51.700 we can pass

00:23:52.500 something then

00:23:53.100 to press back

00:23:53.860 and in this

00:23:54.720 instance, I think

00:23:55.360 NATO is worthy

00:23:56.180 of it and it

00:23:57.480 ended up the

00:23:58.120 vote was

00:23:58.600 overwhelming.

00:23:59.680 It was all

00:24:00.160 the Democrats

00:24:00.860 and every

00:24:01.340 Republican voted

00:24:02.140 yes except for

00:24:03.140 Rand who voted

00:24:03.840 no.

00:24:04.180 So that was the

00:24:04.780 result of the

00:24:05.340 debate.

00:24:06.100 But I remember

00:24:07.360 I turned to

00:24:07.980 Mike Rounds,

00:24:08.760 the Republican

00:24:10.080 who sits next

00:24:10.660 to me.

00:24:10.900 I'm like that

00:24:11.360 was the best

00:24:12.520 constitutional debate

00:24:13.420 I think I've

00:24:13.840 ever heard in

00:24:15.040 the Senate Foreign

00:24:15.580 Relations Committee.

00:24:16.440 Well, this is

00:24:16.900 what I'm actually

00:24:17.780 so surprised

00:24:18.720 at, happily

00:24:19.760 surprised at

00:24:20.500 to hear is

00:24:21.460 the Senate

00:24:22.140 supposed to be

00:24:22.580 the greatest

00:24:22.940 deliberative body

00:24:23.700 in the world.

00:24:24.520 Usually there

00:24:25.340 is no

00:24:25.980 deliberation

00:24:26.640 whatsoever and

00:24:27.400 you see a

00:24:27.760 bunch of

00:24:28.080 party line

00:24:28.760 votes and

00:24:29.240 a lot of

00:24:29.580 talking points

00:24:30.280 and sometimes

00:24:30.880 people don't

00:24:31.400 even show up

00:24:32.020 and what

00:24:32.520 you've described

00:24:33.180 is actual

00:24:34.200 statecraft and

00:24:35.700 actual sort of

00:24:36.640 first principles

00:24:37.660 and constitutional

00:24:38.500 argument that

00:24:39.540 may have

00:24:40.160 persuaded people

00:24:40.940 at least to

00:24:41.380 some degree.

00:24:42.240 And I'll tell

00:24:42.600 you the

00:24:42.820 maddening thing,

00:24:44.540 it's not on

00:24:45.200 C-SPAN for

00:24:45.800 you to watch

00:24:46.360 because the

00:24:48.400 Senate Foreign

00:24:48.960 Relations Committee

00:24:49.860 – so most

00:24:51.140 committees meet

00:24:52.140 in hearing rooms

00:24:53.220 that are in

00:24:53.840 one of the

00:24:54.400 Senate office

00:24:54.920 buildings,

00:24:55.400 either in

00:24:55.840 Russell or

00:24:57.080 Dirksen or

00:24:57.600 Hart.

00:24:59.100 And the

00:24:59.780 Senate Foreign

00:25:00.220 Relations

00:25:00.640 Committee for

00:25:01.140 public hearings,

00:25:01.940 we do that

00:25:02.560 as well.

00:25:02.940 but for

00:25:05.240 business meetings

00:25:06.520 where we are

00:25:07.080 passing legislation

00:25:08.380 or sometimes

00:25:09.820 voting on –

00:25:10.660 when we're

00:25:10.960 voting on

00:25:11.340 nominations,

00:25:12.260 we meet in

00:25:13.500 the United

00:25:13.900 States Capitol

00:25:14.680 in an old

00:25:16.000 historic

00:25:17.480 meeting room

00:25:19.580 with, you

00:25:20.360 know,

00:25:21.000 pictures of,

00:25:21.880 you know,

00:25:23.380 famous secretaries

00:25:24.240 of state and,

00:25:25.200 you know,

00:25:25.980 gold adorning

00:25:26.820 the ceiling and

00:25:27.600 it's on the

00:25:27.940 first floor of

00:25:28.380 the Capitol.

00:25:28.900 It's kind of –

00:25:30.200 it's one floor

00:25:31.520 below the Senate

00:25:32.280 floor and

00:25:33.420 kind of off

00:25:33.900 to the side

00:25:34.580 and there

00:25:35.480 aren't TV

00:25:35.900 cameras in

00:25:36.400 that room.

00:25:37.400 So we conduct

00:25:38.540 business there

00:25:39.360 but unfortunately

00:25:40.180 this entire

00:25:40.880 debate was not

00:25:42.200 captured on TV

00:25:43.120 which I remember

00:25:43.820 thinking at the

00:25:44.380 end was really

00:25:45.020 a shame because

00:25:45.840 it was a

00:25:46.720 substantive

00:25:47.960 and consequential

00:25:49.300 debate.

00:25:49.880 That is a shame

00:25:50.360 though.

00:25:50.900 Perhaps that's

00:25:51.500 why.

00:25:52.000 Perhaps the

00:25:52.560 absence of TV

00:25:53.420 cameras actually

00:25:54.440 may have

00:25:54.820 encouraged more.

00:25:56.740 Well,

00:25:57.360 since we're

00:25:57.980 talking about

00:25:58.700 this sort of

00:25:59.540 minor issue

00:26:00.640 of the nature

00:26:01.540 of the

00:26:01.780 Constitution

00:26:02.360 and the

00:26:02.860 treaty power

00:26:03.400 of the

00:26:03.700 Senate,

00:26:04.160 I want to

00:26:04.680 get to a

00:26:05.240 much more

00:26:05.580 important issue

00:26:06.520 and global

00:26:07.660 conflict.

00:26:08.620 That would be

00:26:09.060 the slap heard

00:26:09.800 around the world

00:26:10.480 between Will

00:26:11.200 Smith and

00:26:12.000 Chris Rock.

00:26:12.720 I think this

00:26:13.100 is what the

00:26:13.480 people are

00:26:13.920 dying to hear

00:26:14.780 your opinion

00:26:15.280 about.

00:26:15.920 The internet

00:26:16.420 is divided.

00:26:17.580 I think

00:26:17.860 generally people

00:26:18.780 are on

00:26:19.120 Chris Rock's

00:26:19.800 side,

00:26:20.160 though there

00:26:20.520 are a handful

00:26:21.020 of people

00:26:21.780 who say

00:26:22.180 chivalry is

00:26:22.800 not dead.

00:26:23.640 Good on

00:26:24.040 Will Smith

00:26:24.520 for defending

00:26:25.160 his wife's

00:26:25.800 honor.

00:26:26.380 Senator,

00:26:27.400 what say

00:26:27.820 you?

00:26:28.520 Well,

00:26:28.700 look,

00:26:28.900 I generally

00:26:30.260 try to stay

00:26:30.960 out of fights

00:26:31.500 between Hollywood

00:26:32.520 celebrities,

00:26:33.600 and I will

00:26:34.220 confess I was

00:26:35.000 not watching

00:26:35.520 the Oscars.

00:26:36.300 I was one

00:26:36.840 of the

00:26:37.440 seven and a

00:26:38.820 half billion

00:26:39.360 people on

00:26:40.020 planet Earth

00:26:40.640 that were

00:26:41.020 not watching

00:26:41.700 the Oscars.

00:26:43.520 So afterwards,

00:26:44.680 when I started

00:26:45.560 seeing the

00:26:46.140 headlines,

00:26:46.700 I'm like,

00:26:47.160 what?

00:26:47.920 Like,

00:26:48.340 what's this

00:26:49.040 Will Smith

00:26:49.600 saying?

00:26:50.020 So I went

00:26:50.480 and did

00:26:50.900 what most

00:26:51.620 other people

00:26:52.080 did,

00:26:52.380 which is I

00:26:52.740 went and

00:26:53.280 Googled it

00:26:53.940 and watched

00:26:54.360 the video,

00:26:54.820 and that

00:26:55.960 damn thing

00:26:56.380 was surreal.

00:26:57.900 It was,

00:26:58.980 it looks

00:27:00.280 faked,

00:27:01.560 and I mean,

00:27:01.820 the way Will

00:27:02.340 Smith walks

00:27:03.020 up,

00:27:03.300 it looks

00:27:03.760 like it's

00:27:04.260 a staged

00:27:04.980 gig.

00:27:06.740 And then

00:27:07.420 apparently it's

00:27:08.060 not.

00:27:08.560 Apparently he

00:27:09.180 was just

00:27:09.660 really,

00:27:10.560 really pissed.

00:27:11.740 And I'm

00:27:12.220 reminded of

00:27:13.080 that there's

00:27:13.900 a guy I

00:27:14.600 know in

00:27:15.320 Washington who

00:27:16.000 was part of

00:27:16.560 Jeb Bush's

00:27:17.140 campaign for

00:27:18.660 president in

00:27:19.180 2016.

00:27:20.440 He was a

00:27:20.840 senior guy on

00:27:21.380 the campaign,

00:27:21.840 and we were

00:27:22.420 at a friend's

00:27:23.100 wedding,

00:27:23.360 and he said,

00:27:23.960 you know,

00:27:24.820 there's a

00:27:25.960 way Jeb

00:27:26.560 Bush could

00:27:27.040 have won.

00:27:28.380 And I

00:27:28.940 said,

00:27:30.140 look,

00:27:30.620 with all

00:27:31.180 respect,

00:27:31.720 I'm not

00:27:32.240 convinced that's

00:27:32.880 right.

00:27:33.240 This was

00:27:33.880 not a cycle

00:27:34.700 in which

00:27:35.500 anyone named

00:27:36.960 Bush was

00:27:37.420 going to

00:27:37.640 win.

00:27:37.860 He said,

00:27:38.140 no,

00:27:38.300 I've got

00:27:38.580 a theory.

00:27:39.020 I said,

00:27:39.220 okay,

00:27:39.400 let me

00:27:39.620 hear it.

00:27:41.020 And he

00:27:41.340 said,

00:27:41.580 my theory

00:27:42.200 was if

00:27:42.960 at the

00:27:43.440 debate

00:27:43.900 where

00:27:44.940 Donald

00:27:45.380 Trump

00:27:45.880 insulted

00:27:46.560 Columba,

00:27:47.280 Jeb's

00:27:47.540 wife,

00:27:48.460 if Jeb

00:27:49.400 had just

00:27:49.860 turned around

00:27:50.740 and punched

00:27:51.600 him in

00:27:52.200 the face

00:27:52.860 and decked

00:27:54.080 him,

00:27:54.240 he might

00:27:55.700 have won.

00:27:56.100 And I

00:27:56.320 was like,

00:27:57.280 holy crap,

00:27:57.960 I don't

00:27:58.420 know.

00:27:58.800 That would

00:27:59.160 have been

00:27:59.620 a unique

00:28:01.760 moment on

00:28:02.340 a presidential

00:28:02.900 debate to

00:28:03.700 see one

00:28:04.620 candidate deck

00:28:05.360 the other.

00:28:06.020 And I don't

00:28:06.500 know what

00:28:06.840 would have

00:28:07.060 happened then.

00:28:08.380 You know,

00:28:08.840 look,

00:28:09.600 everyone can

00:28:10.140 understand Will

00:28:10.880 Smith when

00:28:11.580 someone's

00:28:12.600 making fun of

00:28:13.720 your wife,

00:28:14.720 getting pissed

00:28:15.340 and defending her.

00:28:16.100 That being said,

00:28:17.200 you don't got a

00:28:17.680 right to punch

00:28:18.200 a comedian.

00:28:18.600 like comedians

00:28:19.860 are,

00:28:20.400 you know,

00:28:21.880 paid to be

00:28:22.460 jerks.

00:28:22.760 And if you

00:28:24.200 are showing

00:28:25.160 up where

00:28:25.720 a comedian's

00:28:26.300 performing,

00:28:27.760 you shouldn't

00:28:28.740 be surprised

00:28:29.360 if they tell

00:28:29.860 some jokes

00:28:30.300 at your

00:28:30.560 expense.

00:28:31.460 Well,

00:28:31.600 especially,

00:28:32.140 it's not as

00:28:32.540 though Will

00:28:32.900 Smith's wife

00:28:33.560 is,

00:28:33.900 you know,

00:28:34.380 Donna Reed

00:28:34.940 keeping by

00:28:35.480 the house.

00:28:36.340 She is a

00:28:36.740 public figure

00:28:37.260 herself.

00:28:37.720 She's an

00:28:37.980 actress.

00:28:38.360 She's a

00:28:38.640 performer.

00:28:39.440 But the

00:28:40.280 only reason

00:28:40.980 I really

00:28:42.400 was even

00:28:42.800 thinking about

00:28:43.420 this stupid

00:28:44.140 incident that

00:28:44.660 we're still

00:28:45.060 talking about

00:28:45.600 now,

00:28:46.000 four or

00:28:46.400 five days

00:28:46.840 later,

00:28:47.420 is it does

00:28:48.120 raise some

00:28:48.760 questions about

00:28:50.020 speech.

00:28:50.620 You know,

00:28:50.860 there are

00:28:51.640 certain categories

00:28:52.320 of speech

00:28:52.760 that are not

00:28:53.300 protected.

00:28:53.960 I'm thinking

00:28:54.260 of obscenity.

00:28:55.420 I'm thinking

00:28:55.720 of fraud,

00:28:56.540 direct threats,

00:28:57.660 and fighting

00:28:58.820 words.

00:28:59.600 Fighting words.

00:29:00.240 And so,

00:29:00.940 but then on the

00:29:02.120 other hand,

00:29:02.780 certain lots

00:29:04.220 of speech is

00:29:04.900 very protected

00:29:05.760 in the United

00:29:06.200 States.

00:29:06.640 And it would

00:29:07.080 seem that

00:29:07.460 comedians in

00:29:08.480 particular at

00:29:09.640 public events

00:29:10.480 that have a

00:29:11.020 kind of roast

00:29:12.020 vibe to them,

00:29:13.280 if they're not

00:29:14.060 protected,

00:29:14.880 then no

00:29:15.480 speech is

00:29:15.960 protected in

00:29:16.500 America.

00:29:16.780 So I

00:29:16.960 wondered if

00:29:17.420 there was

00:29:17.620 any kind

00:29:17.860 of legal

00:29:18.360 argument there.

00:29:19.420 Yeah.

00:29:19.840 So,

00:29:20.720 under the

00:29:21.340 law,

00:29:22.580 Will Smith

00:29:25.960 could likely

00:29:27.060 be prosecuted

00:29:28.100 for battery,

00:29:30.040 and Chris

00:29:31.820 Rock would

00:29:32.420 likely have a

00:29:33.220 cause of action

00:29:33.980 against Will

00:29:34.620 Smith for the

00:29:35.220 same.

00:29:36.360 I don't know

00:29:37.060 California law

00:29:37.960 in particular,

00:29:38.720 but generally

00:29:39.280 speaking under

00:29:39.980 tort law and

00:29:40.880 criminal law,

00:29:41.480 that would be

00:29:41.820 the case under

00:29:42.460 typical application.

00:29:44.060 But there

00:29:46.180 is a caveat,

00:29:47.420 which is to

00:29:48.300 convict someone

00:29:49.340 or to win a

00:29:50.740 judgment,

00:29:52.100 you have to

00:29:53.500 convince a jury.

00:29:54.880 And it's not

00:29:55.920 clear to me in

00:29:56.680 this case you

00:29:57.360 could convince a

00:29:58.120 jury that there

00:29:59.620 are some jurors

00:30:00.740 who would be

00:30:01.040 like, you know,

00:30:01.740 damn straight.

00:30:02.640 Go get him.

00:30:03.180 You know, you

00:30:03.580 make fun of his

00:30:04.280 wife, go get

00:30:05.360 him.

00:30:06.080 And look, in a

00:30:07.580 civil case at

00:30:08.440 least, you'd have

00:30:09.140 to demonstrate

00:30:09.680 some damages.

00:30:11.140 I did think it

00:30:11.880 was interesting

00:30:12.380 that Will

00:30:12.800 Smith, I

00:30:13.200 actually like

00:30:13.620 both Will

00:30:14.140 Smith and

00:30:14.480 Chris Rock,

00:30:15.400 but I thought

00:30:15.720 it was

00:30:15.860 interesting Will

00:30:16.460 Smith, who

00:30:17.180 played Muhammad

00:30:17.820 Ali, gets

00:30:19.400 up and slaps

00:30:20.120 him, which

00:30:20.540 is sort of a

00:30:21.200 weird, like,

00:30:22.100 you know, it'd

00:30:22.680 be one thing if

00:30:23.240 he punched him,

00:30:23.860 the slap was

00:30:24.520 weird.

00:30:25.200 It was like,

00:30:26.040 wow, I don't

00:30:26.460 think I've ever

00:30:26.900 seen Muhammad

00:30:27.460 Ali slap

00:30:28.120 someone.

00:30:28.280 No, he

00:30:28.580 floated like a

00:30:29.180 butterfly.

00:30:30.340 In actual

00:30:31.520 litigation, it

00:30:33.060 would be

00:30:33.840 potentially

00:30:34.880 difficult to

00:30:36.500 prove damages.

00:30:38.000 It's not

00:30:38.600 clear to me a

00:30:39.220 jury would

00:30:39.740 convict or

00:30:40.400 a jury

00:30:40.800 would enter

00:30:41.560 a judgment.

00:30:43.040 And it

00:30:43.600 reminds me of

00:30:44.440 the old

00:30:45.180 joke of

00:30:46.280 the Texas

00:30:48.980 gravestone

00:30:50.040 that says

00:30:51.720 he died

00:30:52.840 at age

00:30:53.940 101,

00:30:55.960 shot by

00:30:57.320 a jealous

00:30:57.780 husband.

00:31:01.760 You know,

00:31:02.800 there,

00:31:03.400 my guess is,

00:31:05.100 look, from

00:31:05.400 all the public

00:31:05.920 reporting,

00:31:06.480 Chris Rock is

00:31:07.180 not going to

00:31:07.820 seek to

00:31:08.420 press charges

00:31:09.080 and so

00:31:09.620 nothing's

00:31:09.980 going to

00:31:10.180 happen legally

00:31:10.900 as a

00:31:11.280 consequence

00:31:11.660 of it.

00:31:14.380 You know,

00:31:15.140 I, by

00:31:15.600 the way,

00:31:15.980 I will

00:31:16.280 say, in

00:31:18.120 response to

00:31:18.980 this, every

00:31:20.780 lefty troll on

00:31:22.020 earth has

00:31:22.640 taken great joy

00:31:24.140 in coming after

00:31:25.080 me on this

00:31:25.820 and saying,

00:31:26.300 well, Will

00:31:27.420 Smith did

00:31:28.000 what Cruz

00:31:28.560 never would,

00:31:29.440 which is defend

00:31:30.400 his wife,

00:31:30.960 Heidi.

00:31:31.240 Now, look,

00:31:31.660 to be clear,

00:31:32.240 when Trump

00:31:32.600 insulted Heidi,

00:31:34.700 I went after

00:31:35.660 Trump with

00:31:36.500 both barrels,

00:31:38.640 which the

00:31:39.800 lefties

00:31:40.200 conveniently

00:31:40.740 forget,

00:31:42.120 they just

00:31:43.400 thought that

00:31:43.940 once he was

00:31:44.420 elected president,

00:31:45.240 I should

00:31:46.120 take my

00:31:46.980 marbles and

00:31:47.480 go home and

00:31:47.960 refuse to do

00:31:48.620 the job I

00:31:49.140 was elected

00:31:49.560 to, and

00:31:50.160 at the end

00:31:51.400 of the day,

00:31:52.480 I got a job.

00:31:53.380 I suspect

00:31:53.880 that's what the

00:31:54.980 American left

00:31:55.580 would have

00:31:56.040 liked you to

00:31:56.580 do.

00:31:57.060 Indeed.

00:31:57.640 Okay, good,

00:31:58.260 now, let's

00:31:58.880 get rid of that

00:31:59.720 Cruz character,

00:32:00.680 get him out of

00:32:01.400 here.

00:32:02.120 No, of

00:32:02.780 course, and

00:32:03.420 this is

00:32:04.180 something that

00:32:04.900 you notice

00:32:05.420 in politics

00:32:06.420 that everyone

00:32:06.900 notices is

00:32:07.540 when you're

00:32:08.900 getting a

00:32:09.660 deluge of

00:32:10.300 attacks,

00:32:11.320 usually it

00:32:12.000 means that

00:32:12.360 your opponents

00:32:12.840 are afraid

00:32:14.180 of you,

00:32:14.760 and this

00:32:15.440 actually ties

00:32:15.960 in pretty

00:32:16.320 well, this

00:32:17.020 and the

00:32:17.280 question of

00:32:17.760 free speech

00:32:18.360 ties in

00:32:18.960 pretty well

00:32:19.340 to the

00:32:19.820 craziest,

00:32:22.040 most important

00:32:22.860 non-traversy

00:32:23.940 going on

00:32:24.400 today,

00:32:24.720 namely,

00:32:25.460 that according

00:32:25.980 to the

00:32:26.340 left,

00:32:26.640 you are not

00:32:27.160 allowed to

00:32:27.660 say the

00:32:28.040 word gay

00:32:28.720 in the

00:32:29.480 state of

00:32:30.040 Florida

00:32:30.480 because of

00:32:31.520 a bill

00:32:31.800 called the

00:32:32.140 Parental Rights

00:32:32.800 and Education

00:32:33.320 Bill.

00:32:33.800 There's

00:32:34.020 similar

00:32:34.440 legislation

00:32:35.720 pending in

00:32:36.280 other states,

00:32:36.820 obviously it's

00:32:37.180 a big

00:32:37.420 political

00:32:37.780 winner,

00:32:38.640 but this

00:32:39.140 has been

00:32:39.580 the major

00:32:40.500 news story

00:32:41.360 based,

00:32:42.600 as far as I

00:32:43.000 can tell,

00:32:43.280 on a

00:32:43.460 complete

00:32:43.700 fabrication.

00:32:44.920 Yeah,

00:32:45.520 it really

00:32:46.840 is bizarre,

00:32:48.000 so Florida

00:32:48.720 passed this

00:32:49.420 bill saying

00:32:51.260 you cannot

00:32:52.400 discuss

00:32:53.100 sexuality

00:32:53.880 in schools

00:32:55.760 with children

00:32:57.240 between

00:32:58.540 kindergarten

00:32:59.400 and third

00:33:00.520 grade.

00:33:01.980 And frankly,

00:33:02.960 I would

00:33:03.460 call it the

00:33:04.060 don't say

00:33:04.480 gay law,

00:33:05.400 I'd call it

00:33:05.840 the don't

00:33:06.200 say sex

00:33:06.860 law,

00:33:07.260 and you

00:33:07.500 know what,

00:33:07.840 with five-year-olds,

00:33:09.400 I'm really

00:33:09.980 okay with their

00:33:11.000 teachers not

00:33:11.660 talking about

00:33:12.300 sex.

00:33:12.940 I'd like them

00:33:13.700 not to say

00:33:14.160 gay,

00:33:14.520 I'd like them

00:33:14.900 not to say

00:33:15.380 straight,

00:33:16.080 I'd like them

00:33:16.700 not to say

00:33:17.360 anything involving

00:33:18.500 sex,

00:33:19.000 play with

00:33:19.320 blocks with

00:33:20.240 the damn

00:33:20.600 kids,

00:33:21.200 and teach

00:33:21.940 them arithmetic,

00:33:22.840 like,

00:33:22.980 like,

00:33:23.560 ABCs,

00:33:24.500 right?

00:33:25.080 Like,

00:33:26.240 you know,

00:33:27.900 it is,

00:33:29.060 I actually

00:33:30.480 think it's

00:33:31.000 revealing,

00:33:31.440 and by the

00:33:31.820 way,

00:33:31.980 the Florida

00:33:32.360 law,

00:33:33.320 in fourth

00:33:34.000 grade,

00:33:35.220 apparently it's

00:33:36.120 Katie bar the

00:33:36.820 door,

00:33:37.200 you can whip

00:33:37.760 out,

00:33:38.120 you know,

00:33:38.920 S&M,

00:33:39.920 and like,

00:33:40.460 all sorts of

00:33:41.260 crazy,

00:33:41.900 like,

00:33:42.180 all the kink

00:33:42.920 you want,

00:33:43.300 all the obscenity,

00:33:43.940 fourth grade is

00:33:44.620 fine,

00:33:45.820 but like,

00:33:47.260 and to see

00:33:48.640 the modern

00:33:49.860 left losing

00:33:51.200 their mind on

00:33:51.980 this is

00:33:53.380 bizarre,

00:33:54.420 like,

00:33:54.960 Disney is

00:33:55.640 having paroxysms

00:33:57.100 of fits,

00:33:58.460 because,

00:33:59.120 you know what,

00:33:59.700 I don't really

00:34:00.720 want Snow White,

00:34:03.400 like,

00:34:03.900 like,

00:34:04.860 discussing sex

00:34:06.180 either,

00:34:06.800 like,

00:34:07.060 like,

00:34:07.240 when you take

00:34:07.860 your little

00:34:08.200 kid to a

00:34:09.400 Disney film,

00:34:10.100 and,

00:34:10.340 and what's

00:34:11.200 fascinating,

00:34:12.560 I actually think

00:34:14.300 the self-described

00:34:15.300 leftist intelligentsia

00:34:16.720 may be

00:34:18.540 really out of

00:34:20.220 step with

00:34:21.380 their own base,

00:34:22.360 particularly the

00:34:22.900 African-American

00:34:23.520 community,

00:34:24.100 is not very

00:34:25.900 keen on

00:34:27.240 their kids

00:34:27.800 being taught

00:34:28.440 about sex

00:34:29.040 when they're

00:34:29.360 five,

00:34:30.300 and there's

00:34:30.940 at least

00:34:31.260 one poll

00:34:31.980 that was

00:34:32.340 done in

00:34:32.920 Florida

00:34:33.220 of Democrats

00:34:34.920 that showed

00:34:37.360 a significant

00:34:38.220 majority of

00:34:39.180 Democrats in

00:34:40.120 Florida

00:34:40.440 support the

00:34:41.380 law.

00:34:41.620 The numbers

00:34:42.020 that I saw

00:34:42.680 were 52%

00:34:44.260 to 36%

00:34:45.820 of Florida

00:34:46.900 Democrats

00:34:47.980 support the

00:34:48.940 law,

00:34:49.420 and so all

00:34:50.080 of the

00:34:50.480 Disney woke

00:34:51.640 activists

00:34:52.560 are not

00:34:54.300 just out of

00:34:54.940 step with

00:34:55.540 Republicans

00:34:56.200 and independents,

00:34:57.760 but according

00:34:58.300 to this poll,

00:34:59.080 more than half

00:34:59.660 the Democrats

00:35:00.200 in Florida

00:35:00.820 are like,

00:35:01.800 could you

00:35:02.180 send my

00:35:02.820 little kid

00:35:03.340 to school

00:35:03.940 and just

00:35:04.500 avoid the

00:35:05.060 whole sex

00:35:05.500 topic?

00:35:06.000 Like,

00:35:06.200 just,

00:35:06.820 there are

00:35:07.080 plenty of

00:35:07.460 things in

00:35:07.840 life to

00:35:08.200 talk about.

00:35:09.080 I don't

00:35:09.400 need the

00:35:10.360 kindergarten

00:35:10.760 teacher getting

00:35:11.380 into this

00:35:11.800 stuff.

00:35:12.340 Right,

00:35:12.480 well,

00:35:12.620 I think

00:35:12.880 this is why

00:35:13.620 you're going

00:35:14.220 to see a

00:35:14.620 lot more

00:35:14.880 of these

00:35:15.140 bills around

00:35:15.640 the country.

00:35:16.160 You really

00:35:16.500 saw it

00:35:16.880 beginning

00:35:17.200 with Glenn

00:35:18.120 Youngkin

00:35:18.520 running on

00:35:18.960 this issue

00:35:19.260 of education,

00:35:20.280 keeping radical

00:35:21.000 racial and

00:35:21.600 sexual ideologies

00:35:22.340 out of the

00:35:22.700 classroom.

00:35:23.360 Now you're

00:35:23.660 seeing it

00:35:23.960 in Florida.

00:35:24.940 So it's a

00:35:25.540 total political

00:35:26.220 winner for

00:35:27.140 the people

00:35:27.500 who don't

00:35:27.960 want sex

00:35:28.500 being taught

00:35:29.040 in kindergarten.

00:35:30.020 But then you

00:35:30.520 have the

00:35:31.260 high-minded

00:35:32.220 political

00:35:32.680 philosophy

00:35:33.320 of Hollywood

00:35:34.220 elites.

00:35:34.660 I'm thinking

00:35:35.080 of Ron

00:35:35.960 Perlman,

00:35:37.040 who played

00:35:37.840 Hellboy,

00:35:38.660 among other

00:35:39.160 movies.

00:35:39.780 I seem to

00:35:40.240 recall you

00:35:40.600 got into

00:35:40.920 some interaction

00:35:41.620 with him

00:35:42.160 some years

00:35:43.460 ago.

00:35:44.240 Your old

00:35:44.780 enemy,

00:35:45.160 Hellboy,

00:35:46.060 he said

00:35:47.180 this is a

00:35:47.620 First Amendment

00:35:48.220 issue.

00:35:48.720 In a

00:35:49.340 mostly

00:35:49.740 incoherent

00:35:50.620 Twitter rant,

00:35:51.780 he said

00:35:52.340 that the

00:35:53.240 bill was

00:35:53.680 a violation

00:35:54.360 of the

00:35:54.760 First Amendment

00:35:55.460 because of

00:35:57.500 the words

00:35:57.900 don't say,

00:35:58.660 which are

00:35:58.840 not in the

00:35:59.180 bill,

00:35:59.420 by the way.

00:35:59.960 So do you

00:36:00.560 have any

00:36:00.920 First Amendment

00:36:01.700 take on

00:36:02.860 his argument?

00:36:04.060 Yeah,

00:36:04.240 Hellboy has

00:36:05.940 been particularly

00:36:06.840 active lately.

00:36:07.740 He also,

00:36:08.240 this last week,

00:36:09.020 recorded a

00:36:09.640 different Twitter

00:36:10.800 rant

00:36:11.320 screaming,

00:36:13.020 F you at

00:36:13.600 me.

00:36:13.880 So he was

00:36:14.860 particularly

00:36:15.300 upset that

00:36:15.980 I was

00:36:16.540 questioning

00:36:17.320 Judge

00:36:17.880 Ketanji

00:36:18.340 Brown

00:36:18.620 Jackson,

00:36:19.660 and so he

00:36:20.300 just screamed

00:36:21.040 expletives at

00:36:21.780 me.

00:36:22.060 As one does.

00:36:22.720 Which is sort

00:36:23.320 of an odd

00:36:23.760 thing.

00:36:24.180 I was

00:36:24.720 disappointed

00:36:25.500 that he

00:36:25.820 didn't have

00:36:26.120 the red

00:36:26.400 face paint

00:36:26.960 and the

00:36:27.240 horns

00:36:27.520 because it

00:36:27.880 would have

00:36:28.060 been more

00:36:28.360 fun,

00:36:28.720 like actually

00:36:29.400 having

00:36:29.800 Hellboy

00:36:30.200 curse me

00:36:30.680 out.

00:36:32.820 Look,

00:36:34.440 the people

00:36:35.360 virtue signaling,

00:36:36.660 and I guess,

00:36:37.220 as I said,

00:36:37.940 I didn't watch

00:36:38.380 the Oscars,

00:36:39.020 but as I

00:36:39.440 understand it,

00:36:40.060 there was

00:36:40.320 some point

00:36:40.880 where the

00:36:42.060 hosts or

00:36:42.680 everyone there

00:36:43.280 began chanting

00:36:44.420 gay,

00:36:45.140 gay,

00:36:45.540 gay to

00:36:46.600 show that

00:36:47.120 they were

00:36:47.500 apparently

00:36:47.860 not in

00:36:48.280 kindergarten

00:36:48.700 in Florida,

00:36:49.420 which is

00:36:50.820 a little

00:36:51.740 odd,

00:36:52.300 okay,

00:36:52.800 like it.

00:36:53.300 They could

00:36:53.420 have had

00:36:53.680 me fooled.

00:36:54.300 Yeah.

00:36:57.380 There is

00:36:58.100 no First

00:36:58.660 Amendment

00:36:58.980 right

00:36:59.480 implicated

00:37:02.100 here because

00:37:02.840 if you

00:37:03.400 are a

00:37:03.700 teacher at

00:37:04.180 a school,

00:37:04.880 you are

00:37:05.300 required to

00:37:06.080 teach the

00:37:06.640 curriculum

00:37:07.220 in a public

00:37:08.680 school that

00:37:09.140 the state

00:37:09.540 has decided

00:37:10.140 upon.

00:37:10.740 And if

00:37:11.520 you want to

00:37:12.120 teach something

00:37:12.780 else,

00:37:13.280 you're welcome

00:37:15.000 to go stand

00:37:16.160 at a mall

00:37:16.580 and talk

00:37:17.300 about it.

00:37:17.540 You're welcome

00:37:17.840 to teach

00:37:18.160 your own

00:37:18.460 kids that.

00:37:19.260 You're welcome

00:37:19.760 to go to

00:37:20.120 church and

00:37:20.620 teach people

00:37:21.100 there that.

00:37:21.740 You can go

00:37:22.000 anywhere else

00:37:22.460 you want,

00:37:23.060 but if your

00:37:23.460 job involves

00:37:25.420 teaching a

00:37:26.100 curriculum set

00:37:26.820 by the state,

00:37:27.480 then the state

00:37:27.900 has a right

00:37:28.400 to set a

00:37:28.900 curriculum.

00:37:30.120 And it is

00:37:30.720 the essence

00:37:32.300 of reasonableness,

00:37:33.480 I think,

00:37:33.880 to say that

00:37:35.120 with little,

00:37:36.000 little kids,

00:37:37.140 they shouldn't

00:37:38.260 be getting

00:37:38.640 into questions

00:37:39.340 of sexuality,

00:37:40.140 that five-year-olds

00:37:41.380 don't need

00:37:42.900 their school

00:37:45.220 teachers

00:37:45.940 proselytizing

00:37:48.160 their views

00:37:50.180 on sex.

00:37:51.020 That's not

00:37:51.540 the job

00:37:52.100 of a teacher.

00:37:52.700 I think

00:37:54.940 most Americans

00:37:55.760 find that a

00:37:56.400 very common

00:37:56.960 sense position.

00:37:57.800 As I said,

00:37:58.360 this law

00:37:58.840 says fourth

00:37:59.460 grade is

00:38:00.640 fine.

00:38:01.300 So,

00:38:01.520 I mean,

00:38:01.680 it's not

00:38:02.040 like,

00:38:03.000 you know,

00:38:03.580 I actually

00:38:04.180 would prefer

00:38:04.900 you not

00:38:05.320 teach your

00:38:05.780 fourth graders

00:38:06.320 about it

00:38:06.740 either,

00:38:07.180 but kindergartners,

00:38:09.580 this ought to

00:38:10.140 be a pretty

00:38:10.560 easy proposition.

00:38:12.000 Of course.

00:38:12.560 You see it

00:38:13.480 when we're

00:38:14.060 talking about

00:38:14.360 the First

00:38:14.620 Amendment,

00:38:15.220 and I've

00:38:15.660 even heard

00:38:16.060 some people

00:38:16.480 bring up

00:38:16.840 the question

00:38:17.300 of academic

00:38:18.060 freedom,

00:38:18.520 as though a

00:38:19.420 second-grade

00:38:19.940 classroom

00:38:20.560 were some

00:38:21.580 free marketplace

00:38:22.640 of ideas

00:38:23.440 where new

00:38:24.120 scholarly and

00:38:25.160 scientific discoveries

00:38:26.180 are occurring.

00:38:26.820 No,

00:38:27.040 of course not.

00:38:27.540 As you say,

00:38:28.740 if you are a

00:38:29.720 teacher,

00:38:30.020 you have to

00:38:30.520 follow the

00:38:31.020 curriculum.

00:38:31.480 The curriculum

00:38:31.860 is set by

00:38:32.920 the state.

00:38:33.720 The parents

00:38:34.360 have some

00:38:34.960 rights in

00:38:35.440 their kids'

00:38:35.900 education.

00:38:36.560 They certainly

00:38:36.940 have rights

00:38:37.380 as citizens,

00:38:37.980 and they can

00:38:38.340 vote.

00:38:39.280 And by the

00:38:40.340 way,

00:38:40.660 look,

00:38:41.660 nobody would

00:38:42.680 think it was

00:38:43.280 appropriate to

00:38:44.340 say,

00:38:44.800 for example,

00:38:45.820 in colleges

00:38:46.620 and universities,

00:38:47.740 you may not

00:38:48.260 discuss sex.

00:38:49.780 Like,

00:38:50.060 that would be

00:38:50.840 bizarre.

00:38:53.100 You know,

00:38:53.380 I will tell you

00:38:54.200 when I was at

00:38:54.700 Princeton,

00:38:55.080 there was a

00:38:55.420 popular

00:38:55.780 t-shirt that

00:38:57.780 said,

00:38:58.760 sex kills.

00:39:00.060 And on the

00:39:00.560 back it said,

00:39:01.360 come to

00:39:02.220 Princeton,

00:39:02.680 live forever.

00:39:05.620 Look,

00:39:06.140 that would not

00:39:06.900 be reasonable.

00:39:08.080 Obviously,

00:39:08.680 human sexuality

00:39:09.460 is part of

00:39:10.640 life,

00:39:11.080 it's part of

00:39:11.520 literature,

00:39:12.000 it's part of

00:39:12.380 history.

00:39:14.180 No one would

00:39:15.000 say it's

00:39:15.400 reasonable for

00:39:16.180 colleges to

00:39:17.480 limit the

00:39:18.360 discussions of

00:39:18.960 that because

00:39:19.460 presumably,

00:39:20.840 the students

00:39:21.720 are mature

00:39:22.300 enough to

00:39:22.800 engage in

00:39:23.380 that.

00:39:24.980 This may

00:39:25.700 seem like a

00:39:26.280 radical proposition,

00:39:27.060 but there's a

00:39:27.780 difference between

00:39:28.260 college kids

00:39:29.100 and five-year-olds.

00:39:30.880 There's even a

00:39:31.460 difference between

00:39:31.880 high school kids.

00:39:33.620 I think most

00:39:34.100 people would say

00:39:34.820 even in high

00:39:35.420 school,

00:39:35.960 you wouldn't

00:39:36.660 want to have

00:39:37.180 that kind of

00:39:37.720 restriction,

00:39:38.160 that by high

00:39:38.960 school,

00:39:39.760 you know,

00:39:39.940 anyone who's

00:39:40.320 watched Fast

00:39:40.900 Times at

00:39:41.320 Ridgemont High

00:39:41.940 knows there's

00:39:42.520 very little

00:39:42.900 else that

00:39:43.340 teenage boys

00:39:43.860 are thinking

00:39:44.260 about.

00:39:46.100 Now,

00:39:46.700 I don't know

00:39:47.220 that we need

00:39:47.700 our schools

00:39:48.220 necessarily

00:39:48.860 proselytizing

00:39:49.840 on those

00:39:50.260 topics even

00:39:50.920 at that

00:39:51.260 age,

00:39:51.720 but the

00:39:53.820 judgment of

00:39:54.500 the Florida

00:39:54.820 legislature here

00:39:55.880 that there's

00:39:57.200 some things

00:39:57.760 that are

00:39:58.020 inappropriate for

00:39:58.880 little kids

00:39:59.440 to discuss,

00:40:00.600 I think is a

00:40:01.880 judgment that

00:40:02.620 all of us,

00:40:04.600 look,

00:40:04.920 at home with

00:40:05.720 our girls,

00:40:06.820 I try very,

00:40:08.280 very hard not

00:40:08.900 to curse.

00:40:09.360 when I'm

00:40:12.520 out with

00:40:12.940 adults,

00:40:13.360 when you

00:40:13.780 and I

00:40:14.020 are having

00:40:14.300 a scotch

00:40:14.820 and a

00:40:15.060 cigar,

00:40:15.780 you may

00:40:16.800 have heard

00:40:17.220 me use

00:40:19.120 some ripe

00:40:20.180 language.

00:40:20.920 Three times

00:40:21.480 at once.

00:40:21.780 There is

00:40:22.180 a difference.

00:40:23.380 Right,

00:40:23.600 of course.

00:40:24.000 No,

00:40:24.140 of course

00:40:24.380 that's the

00:40:24.700 case.

00:40:24.920 You don't

00:40:25.120 want to

00:40:25.320 talk like

00:40:25.680 a sailor

00:40:26.180 around

00:40:26.560 kindergartners.

00:40:27.580 The context

00:40:28.640 matters here.

00:40:29.680 And the

00:40:30.120 American left

00:40:30.800 is trying

00:40:31.400 to completely

00:40:32.580 take away

00:40:33.120 the context

00:40:33.800 and make

00:40:34.240 what to

00:40:34.920 me are

00:40:35.200 just outright

00:40:36.360 dishonest

00:40:37.140 arguments,

00:40:37.700 saying that

00:40:38.120 the bill

00:40:38.340 does things

00:40:38.880 that it's

00:40:39.260 not doing.

00:40:40.060 And probably

00:40:40.540 it's because

00:40:40.880 they know

00:40:41.280 that they're

00:40:41.860 losing on

00:40:42.340 this issue.

00:40:42.960 Now,

00:40:43.120 on the

00:40:43.480 question of

00:40:43.940 education,

00:40:44.800 Senator,

00:40:45.140 we do have

00:40:45.740 a pretty

00:40:46.060 big announcement

00:40:47.160 from Verdict

00:40:49.180 for all of

00:40:49.960 our wonderful

00:40:50.340 listeners and

00:40:50.940 for the

00:40:51.240 bright young

00:40:51.840 minds in

00:40:52.240 America.

00:40:52.640 For that,

00:40:53.260 I want to

00:40:53.540 bring on

00:40:53.920 our friend

00:40:54.540 Liz Wheeler

00:40:55.540 because,

00:40:56.500 Liz,

00:40:56.780 this involves

00:40:57.320 you too.

00:40:58.560 We are

00:40:59.100 going to

00:41:00.780 my alma mater

00:41:01.440 of Yale

00:41:01.900 University

00:41:02.420 coming up

00:41:02.900 in what,

00:41:03.160 just two

00:41:03.480 weeks?

00:41:04.500 We certainly

00:41:04.980 are.

00:41:05.440 And this

00:41:05.680 is perhaps,

00:41:06.580 it may be

00:41:07.140 the most

00:41:07.480 exciting episode

00:41:08.540 of Verdict

00:41:08.980 on the road

00:41:09.520 because Yale

00:41:10.920 is not only

00:41:12.220 your alma mater,

00:41:12.880 but they are

00:41:13.200 a very

00:41:13.520 ideologically

00:41:14.220 compromised,

00:41:15.160 elite institution

00:41:16.700 of higher

00:41:17.180 learning.

00:41:18.220 And I mean,

00:41:19.020 I think we're

00:41:19.400 going to have

00:41:19.560 a great time.

00:41:20.320 I expect a

00:41:21.000 big crowd,

00:41:22.100 a crowd that

00:41:22.680 doesn't just

00:41:23.520 agree with what

00:41:24.120 we're talking

00:41:24.460 about,

00:41:24.720 but a crowd

00:41:25.120 who wants to

00:41:25.520 come and

00:41:25.720 respectfully

00:41:26.100 disagree.

00:41:26.660 I think it's

00:41:26.920 going to be

00:41:27.100 great.

00:41:27.340 And Michael,

00:41:28.660 I got to

00:41:29.120 ask you,

00:41:29.540 how excited

00:41:30.080 are you to

00:41:30.580 be headed

00:41:30.900 back to

00:41:31.380 your old

00:41:31.760 stomping grounds?

00:41:32.820 I cannot

00:41:33.260 wait.

00:41:33.780 I'm not

00:41:34.260 sure who

00:41:35.700 is going

00:41:36.080 to get

00:41:36.380 more rotten

00:41:36.900 tomatoes

00:41:37.360 thrown at

00:41:37.960 him.

00:41:38.460 You know,

00:41:38.880 it's not a

00:41:39.320 very conservative

00:41:40.000 campus,

00:41:40.520 so I'm not

00:41:41.220 sure you're

00:41:41.520 the most

00:41:41.780 popular guy

00:41:42.440 there.

00:41:43.020 But for

00:41:43.320 me,

00:41:43.780 a prophet

00:41:44.580 has honor

00:41:45.260 everywhere but

00:41:46.040 in his

00:41:46.380 hometown.

00:41:47.280 Of course,

00:41:47.660 we had to

00:41:48.140 go because

00:41:48.740 one of my

00:41:49.180 favorite cigar

00:41:49.840 bars in

00:41:50.280 America is

00:41:50.940 there.

00:41:51.360 So I am

00:41:51.880 excited.

00:41:52.260 There is a

00:41:53.380 small but

00:41:54.520 mighty

00:41:54.880 conservative

00:41:55.580 underbelly

00:41:56.560 at Yale.

00:41:57.640 A lot of

00:41:58.000 people go

00:41:58.380 there and

00:41:58.680 become more

00:41:59.140 liberal.

00:41:59.580 That's most

00:41:59.900 of the time.

00:42:00.740 Some end

00:42:01.180 up to the

00:42:01.580 right of

00:42:01.960 Genghis Khan.

00:42:02.720 That's what

00:42:03.000 happened to

00:42:03.420 me.

00:42:03.760 So we're

00:42:04.020 very excited.

00:42:04.680 That's going

00:42:05.020 to take

00:42:05.260 place on

00:42:06.140 April 11th.

00:42:07.220 And then

00:42:07.820 we will be

00:42:08.400 going to

00:42:08.940 the University

00:42:09.380 of Alabama

00:42:09.960 on April

00:42:10.880 18th.

00:42:11.540 And we

00:42:11.880 should point

00:42:12.320 out, it's

00:42:12.940 not just

00:42:13.300 going to be

00:42:13.600 you,

00:42:13.900 Senator.

00:42:14.260 It's not

00:42:14.680 just going

00:42:14.980 to be me.

00:42:15.560 It's not

00:42:16.000 just going

00:42:16.300 to be our

00:42:16.660 trusty

00:42:17.060 cactus.

00:42:17.420 But it's

00:42:22.260 I hope

00:42:22.540 you're

00:42:22.740 going to

00:42:22.920 wear a

00:42:23.700 Princeton

00:42:24.020 and Harvard

00:42:24.500 gear on

00:42:25.460 stage at

00:42:26.320 Yale, right?

00:42:27.580 You know,

00:42:28.240 I'm assuming

00:42:28.880 Yale requires

00:42:30.160 that we be

00:42:31.020 in like a

00:42:31.580 smoking jacket

00:42:32.540 with maybe

00:42:33.500 a Sherlock

00:42:34.040 Holmes pipe

00:42:35.220 and some

00:42:36.400 Madeira.

00:42:39.000 Or I don't

00:42:39.720 know, has it

00:42:40.180 gone more

00:42:40.620 hippie than

00:42:41.080 that?

00:42:41.400 Do we have

00:42:41.880 to be like

00:42:42.720 nude and

00:42:44.380 taking peyote

00:42:45.880 or something?

00:42:46.560 I think it's

00:42:47.040 a little bit

00:42:47.400 of both,

00:42:47.960 Senator.

00:42:48.380 It's sort

00:42:48.640 of, Yale

00:42:49.180 has become

00:42:49.660 a bit of

00:42:50.080 a mullet

00:42:50.480 these days.

00:42:51.340 You know,

00:42:51.500 tweed on

00:42:52.420 the front,

00:42:53.300 but that's

00:42:53.740 it.

00:42:54.100 You know,

00:42:54.300 you wear

00:42:54.740 your bow tie

00:42:55.380 and nothing

00:42:56.080 else.

00:42:56.700 So we'll

00:42:56.980 be doing

00:42:57.260 that.

00:42:57.580 One of

00:42:57.840 the more

00:42:58.140 surprising

00:42:58.620 things,

00:42:59.060 though,

00:42:59.280 is that

00:42:59.880 actually,

00:43:00.560 we're very

00:43:01.080 excited to

00:43:01.720 have been

00:43:02.220 invited by

00:43:03.140 Yale,

00:43:03.620 even with

00:43:04.160 its liberal

00:43:04.520 reputation,

00:43:05.340 but it was

00:43:05.680 the University

00:43:06.280 of Alabama,

00:43:07.140 the student

00:43:07.520 paper there,

00:43:08.600 that actually

00:43:09.240 called the

00:43:09.940 Young

00:43:10.280 America's

00:43:10.740 Foundation

00:43:11.240 an institution

00:43:12.900 of bigotry

00:43:14.140 and extremism

00:43:15.540 that is

00:43:16.300 consistently

00:43:16.980 linked to

00:43:17.980 racism,

00:43:18.900 Islamophobia,

00:43:19.760 transphobia,

00:43:20.440 and other

00:43:21.280 harmful ideologies.

00:43:22.560 It is not

00:43:23.040 an organization

00:43:23.680 of freedom

00:43:24.640 or tradition.

00:43:25.940 Even down

00:43:26.480 south,

00:43:27.760 it seems

00:43:28.320 that liberalism

00:43:29.500 and leftism

00:43:30.300 reign.

00:43:31.360 Well,

00:43:31.600 I got to say

00:43:32.500 that particular

00:43:33.360 op-ed you're

00:43:34.120 reading from

00:43:34.720 is from the

00:43:35.520 Alabama College

00:43:36.500 newspaper,

00:43:38.020 and it reads

00:43:39.420 like a parody,

00:43:40.720 like if the

00:43:42.340 Babylon Bee

00:43:43.280 made up an

00:43:45.100 angry leftist

00:43:46.360 newspaper,

00:43:46.900 so they

00:43:47.280 apparently,

00:43:48.560 there's a

00:43:49.060 woman who's

00:43:49.460 running for

00:43:49.820 student body

00:43:50.320 president who

00:43:51.080 they had

00:43:51.760 endorsed,

00:43:53.240 and after

00:43:54.040 the student

00:43:54.580 newspaper

00:43:55.100 endorsed

00:43:55.740 them,

00:43:56.760 someone found

00:43:57.940 a picture

00:43:58.620 of her at

00:44:00.020 a YAF

00:44:00.880 conference in

00:44:01.920 D.C.,

00:44:02.500 and these

00:44:02.880 leftists threw

00:44:03.960 a tizzy fit.

00:44:04.780 They stamped

00:44:05.380 their feet,

00:44:06.280 oh goodness,

00:44:07.020 this person

00:44:07.640 we endorsed

00:44:08.460 has like

00:44:10.160 encountered a

00:44:11.460 conservative

00:44:12.020 idea in her

00:44:13.160 life.

00:44:13.840 What can

00:44:14.460 we do?

00:44:15.680 And so

00:44:16.340 they have

00:44:16.720 all these

00:44:17.380 ad hominem

00:44:18.040 insults at

00:44:19.020 YAF,

00:44:19.860 and you know,

00:44:20.320 they believe

00:44:20.760 in things

00:44:21.380 like free

00:44:22.520 enterprise,

00:44:23.440 the Constitution,

00:44:24.700 free speech,

00:44:25.640 religious liberty,

00:44:26.780 my God,

00:44:27.220 they might even

00:44:27.700 believe in the

00:44:28.240 Second Amendment,

00:44:29.560 but then the

00:44:31.560 editorial ends

00:44:32.560 with the funniest

00:44:33.160 portion of all

00:44:34.080 their says,

00:44:35.060 well, so we

00:44:36.460 don't think this

00:44:37.020 candidate is all

00:44:37.760 that great,

00:44:38.700 but her opponent

00:44:39.220 is worse,

00:44:40.140 so don't vote

00:44:41.320 at all,

00:44:41.880 but if you do

00:44:42.400 vote, vote for

00:44:43.560 her, but

00:44:44.440 God, we

00:44:44.900 can't stand

00:44:45.360 conservatives,

00:44:46.020 and it's like,

00:44:46.920 really?

00:44:47.740 Like, it's

00:44:50.000 truly a sight

00:44:50.680 to behold.

00:44:51.400 Oh, the whole

00:44:51.880 thing absolutely

00:44:52.500 slayed me.

00:44:53.120 I laughed out

00:44:53.660 loud reading

00:44:54.060 this because I

00:44:54.800 thought to

00:44:55.100 myself, listen,

00:44:55.840 according to

00:44:56.920 radical leftist

00:44:57.560 ideology, the

00:44:58.700 governor, or

00:44:59.540 now the former

00:45:00.120 governor of

00:45:00.760 Virginia, can

00:45:01.480 show up in

00:45:02.560 blackface in a

00:45:04.300 photograph, but

00:45:04.940 God forbid that

00:45:05.700 this young woman

00:45:06.240 running for

00:45:06.860 student government

00:45:07.520 show up in a

00:45:08.440 picture from the

00:45:08.980 Young America's

00:45:09.580 Foundation conference.

00:45:11.040 This is the

00:45:11.760 standards that the

00:45:12.480 left has set and

00:45:13.980 how they apply to

00:45:14.620 conservatives.

00:45:15.060 This is going to

00:45:15.420 be a great event.

00:45:16.140 I hope the

00:45:16.660 authors of this

00:45:17.420 editorial come to

00:45:18.260 our event.

00:45:19.120 Absolutely.

00:45:19.800 They are welcome.

00:45:20.740 They will be

00:45:21.160 treated respectfully,

00:45:22.160 and they're welcome

00:45:23.540 to come up with

00:45:24.460 whatever crazy-ass

00:45:26.040 question they want.

00:45:27.060 We will give them

00:45:27.840 a place of honor.

00:45:29.320 And we'll try not to

00:45:30.140 take their picture at a

00:45:31.380 YAF event.

00:45:33.820 For their future

00:45:34.720 candidacy.

00:45:35.960 Yeah, then they'll

00:45:36.480 unendorse themselves.

00:45:37.440 Oh, crap, we were

00:45:38.520 photographed at

00:45:39.220 Verdict.

00:45:39.640 We officially

00:45:41.320 deplatform ourselves.

00:45:43.860 It totally underscores

00:45:45.260 the reason why these

00:45:46.340 events are so

00:45:46.940 important, why we've

00:45:47.900 got to go straight

00:45:48.900 to the college

00:45:49.740 campuses where

00:45:50.520 these battles are

00:45:51.280 being fought.

00:45:51.800 We're so excited to

00:45:52.780 do it with Young

00:45:53.840 America's Foundation.

00:45:54.980 You can find out

00:45:55.960 more about these

00:45:57.020 events.

00:45:57.700 That's April 11th

00:45:58.800 at Yale and

00:45:59.760 April 18th at

00:46:00.860 the University of

00:46:01.420 Alabama.

00:46:01.880 Go to

00:46:02.240 Y-A-F dot

00:46:03.960 org slash

00:46:05.340 Verdict Live.

00:46:06.680 That is

00:46:06.880 Y-A-F dot

00:46:08.220 org slash

00:46:09.040 Verdict Live.

00:46:10.280 If you're around

00:46:11.100 New Haven, if you're

00:46:11.840 around the University

00:46:12.700 of Alabama, we will

00:46:14.200 see you there.

00:46:15.520 Now, Michael, you

00:46:16.220 can sign up to go

00:46:17.260 in person, but you

00:46:18.800 can also go there and

00:46:19.840 sign up to watch it

00:46:21.060 live on YouTube.

00:46:22.840 So if you can't make

00:46:24.020 it to New Haven, if

00:46:25.620 you can't make it to

00:46:26.600 Alabama, you can stay

00:46:28.600 in the comfort of your

00:46:29.880 own home wearing

00:46:30.940 pajamas and bunny

00:46:32.120 slippers and watch

00:46:33.940 actually you would

00:46:34.520 fit in well at Yale

00:46:35.440 in pajamas and

00:46:36.260 bunny slippers and

00:46:37.480 watch it live on

00:46:38.840 YouTube, the same

00:46:39.860 link, right?

00:46:40.660 Absolutely.

00:46:41.240 So make sure you

00:46:42.320 head on over.

00:46:42.940 We're so happy as

00:46:43.760 always to partner

00:46:44.800 with Young

00:46:45.240 America's Foundation.

00:46:46.440 It's going to be a

00:46:47.220 great deal of fun to

00:46:48.760 introduce a whole new

00:46:50.620 generation of young

00:46:51.960 American college

00:46:53.100 conservatives to the

00:46:55.020 right wing, which

00:46:55.740 they probably haven't

00:46:56.620 heard a whole lot

00:46:57.100 about it in their

00:46:57.700 classrooms.

00:46:58.320 We're looking forward

00:46:59.000 to seeing you.

00:46:59.720 And if we can't see

00:47:00.440 you, at least you'll

00:47:01.280 see us.

00:47:01.800 That is yaf.org

00:47:04.200 slash verdict live.

00:47:06.300 Before that, though,

00:47:06.960 Liz, you're going to be

00:47:07.880 speaking with the

00:47:08.560 senator on the cloak

00:47:09.880 room.

00:47:10.080 What are you talking

00:47:10.540 about?

00:47:11.020 Yes, we have a great

00:47:12.340 topic.

00:47:12.600 This is a topic we're

00:47:13.340 asked, senator, to talk

00:47:14.600 about a lot, especially

00:47:15.920 from the verdict plus

00:47:16.800 community.

00:47:17.780 We're going to be

00:47:18.280 talking a little bit

00:47:18.860 about the great reset.

00:47:20.080 We're going to be

00:47:20.400 talking about the world

00:47:21.080 economic forum and

00:47:22.060 Klaus Schwab and this

00:47:23.220 idea of globalism and

00:47:24.900 not not only those

00:47:26.400 topics in and of

00:47:27.040 themselves, but what we

00:47:28.060 can do in our legal

00:47:29.780 system here in the

00:47:30.500 United States to

00:47:31.120 actually prevent

00:47:31.980 globalists from having

00:47:33.080 control over our

00:47:33.780 country.

00:47:34.040 So it's very nerdy,

00:47:35.100 very interesting, a

00:47:35.940 highly requested

00:47:36.560 topic.

00:47:37.640 Anybody who wants to

00:47:38.960 join us on the

00:47:40.220 cloakroom, join us on

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00:47:48.940 That is verdict with

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00:47:51.720 That sounds fabulous.

00:47:53.460 In the meantime, we

00:47:54.240 will be having a

00:47:55.500 reset ourselves.

00:47:56.380 Not a great reset, a

00:47:57.520 minor reset before we

00:47:58.840 head on over to

00:47:59.420 cloakroom.

00:47:59.880 In the meantime, I'm

00:48:00.580 Michael Knowles.

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