Verdict with Ted Cruz - Murder Rate Plummets-Trump Literally Saving Lives plus Disastrous Jack Smith Testimony

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00:00:06.080 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.780 And it's so nice to have you with us, especially if you are listening on the radio around the country.

00:00:13.680 We've got a lot to discuss that happened this last week, including some incredible crime stats

00:00:19.100 that the media is not connecting back to the policies of the Trump administration.

00:00:25.500 Well, we have a big show today.

00:00:27.060 We start with the numbers that were just released that show murder rates in the United States dropped more than 20%.

00:00:34.360 That is on top of data that just came out that show drug overdose deaths dropped more than 20%,

00:00:41.920 both of these this year compared to last year.

00:00:44.380 We're going to break down those numbers.

00:00:45.920 We're going to talk about why that's happening and how literally tens of thousands of Americans are alive today

00:00:52.420 because President Trump was reelected and Republicans have control of both houses of Congress.

00:00:57.880 We're also going to talk about Jack Smith's disastrous testimony before the House of Representatives.

00:01:02.940 He got up and brazenly tried to defend his abuse of power, and it did not go well.

00:01:08.440 We're going to give you all the details.

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00:02:36.540 All right, Senator, so let's just get back to this headline.

00:02:40.580 A lot of people not paying attention to it because why?

00:02:44.120 Well, no one's covering it because it's good news.

00:02:47.600 There are fewer Americans that are becoming victims of crime,

00:02:50.660 fewer people in America that are being murdered.

00:02:53.000 All of this because of Donald Trump's leadership

00:02:56.280 in trying to go into dangerous cities

00:02:58.440 and make them safer for all Americans.

00:03:00.980 That's right.

00:03:02.960 Let's start with crime.

00:03:04.460 And what was released this week is the latest murder rates.

00:03:07.680 And the murder rates across the United States

00:03:09.920 decreased nationwide roughly 20%.

00:03:13.620 And let's put that in specific numbers.

00:03:16.700 If you look at January through October of 2025,

00:03:20.140 and you compare it to the same time period in 2024,

00:03:22.880 in 2025, approximately 5,912 murders were recorded in the U.S.

00:03:31.500 In that same time period in 2024,

00:03:35.200 7,369 murders were recorded.

00:03:38.600 In other words, there are about 1,400 people,

00:03:42.420 1,400 people alive who were not murdered

00:03:45.760 because of common sense, law and order policies,

00:03:50.560 because of not releasing murderers onto the street,

00:03:53.880 because of deporting murderers and violent gang members.

00:03:56.880 And let's break the numbers down.

00:03:59.500 Chicago, the murder rate dropped 30%.

00:04:02.740 New York City, the murder rate dropped 20%.

00:04:06.760 Birmingham, Alabama, it dropped 49%.

00:04:10.320 Albuquerque, New Mexico, it dropped 32%.

00:04:13.120 Baltimore, Maryland, it dropped 31%.

00:04:15.080 Atlanta, Georgia, 26%.

00:04:18.520 Oakland, California, 33%.

00:04:21.680 Washington, D.C., where President Trump deployed the National Guard, 31%.

00:04:26.820 These are historic lows.

00:04:29.620 And if these trends continue,

00:04:32.520 the U.S. may record its lowest murder rate since 1960.

00:04:39.280 That is 66 years ago.

00:04:41.820 That is a stunning result.

00:04:43.820 By the way, border crime, border crime,

00:04:47.200 other violent crimes also decreased in 2025,

00:04:51.700 including a 25% drop in motor vehicle theft,

00:04:55.860 an 18% drop in robberies,

00:04:59.260 and an 8% drop in aggravated assaults.

00:05:02.980 Now, these data are being reported.

00:05:06.420 And what is really quite interesting is the media is doing everything they can to cover it up.

00:05:14.580 So Axios wrote the first story on this.

00:05:17.500 And they talk about the murder rate has fallen,

00:05:18.920 but they say, well, it's unclear that this has anything to do with Donald Trump or DOJ or the FBI

00:05:23.800 or policies that Republicans have put in place deporting violent criminals and murderers and gang members,

00:05:30.820 which is truly, it is a level of dishonesty that is incredible.

00:05:37.920 And I want to give you some of the raw backgrounds that explains why the murder rate has dropped so profoundly.

00:05:48.440 Here are some raw numbers, and this was put out by FBI Director Kash Patel,

00:05:53.060 of what has happened that would explain why is it that we've seen a 20% drop in murder rate.

00:05:57.760 In the last year, we've seen an increase in violent crime arrests.

00:06:03.320 What rate do you think the increase in violent crime arrests has been?

00:06:06.160 What has it been? I have no clue.

00:06:09.440 100%.

00:06:09.920 Wow.

00:06:12.060 All right, how about this?

00:06:13.680 Gangs and criminal enterprises disrupted.

00:06:17.020 What rate do you think that that increase has been?

00:06:20.100 I'm going to guess it's got to be significant.

00:06:24.660 210%.

00:06:25.180 A total of 1,800 gangs and criminal enterprises disrupted.

00:06:30.880 All right, fentanyl.

00:06:32.340 More than 2,000 kilos of fentanyl seized.

00:06:35.480 That's up 31%.

00:06:36.680 That's enough to kill 130 million Americans.

00:06:40.000 There have also been more than 6,000 child victims located.

00:06:45.260 That's an increase of 22%.

00:06:47.160 There have been more than 1,700 child predators arrested.

00:06:52.160 That's an increase of 10%.

00:06:53.620 There have been more than 300 human traffickers arrested.

00:06:57.720 That's up 15%.

00:06:59.020 There's a 35% increase in espionage arrests.

00:07:05.220 And four of the FBI's top 10 most wanted fugitives were captured.

00:07:11.260 And to give you a sense of that, in one year, do you know how many of the FBI's top 10 list were captured in the four years of the Biden presidency?

00:07:20.380 I'm going to guess it's less than five.

00:07:23.220 Four.

00:07:24.240 Wow.

00:07:24.460 So in one year, they captured as many on the top 10 list as Biden did in all four years.

00:07:30.080 And the media want to do everything they can to say, nope, nope, this drop in the murder rate, it just happened magically.

00:07:38.160 It's probably due to global warming or something.

00:07:40.520 It has nothing to do with arresting murderers.

00:07:44.340 It has nothing to do with deporting murderers.

00:07:46.740 It certainly has nothing to do with MS-13 gang members being put in jail and deported, despite the fact that the way you join MS-13 is by murdering someone.

00:07:57.560 And this is real results.

00:08:01.200 And then you put on top of it, you put on top of it, the drop in overdoses.

00:08:08.200 And when we come back, we're going to give you the drop in overdoses, which is even more profound.

00:08:14.400 Even more lives have been saved in the past year.

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00:08:48.140 We also have some incredible data when it comes to overdoses in this country, saving countless lives by securing the border,

00:08:55.720 but also going after the cartels and doing everything we can to stop the flow of drugs in this country.

00:09:01.480 And it's working quickly.

00:09:03.180 Well, you're right.

00:09:03.780 Although the one thing I'll disagree with you on, as you said, countless lives.

00:09:06.900 We actually can count the lives that have been saved.

00:09:10.020 And the lives that have been saved are staggering.

00:09:12.780 We just discussed how the murder rate has dropped 20 percent in the first year of the Trump administration to the lowest rate since 1960.

00:09:22.260 The lowest rate in 66 years.

00:09:26.420 That means roughly 1,400 Americans are alive today who would have been murdered if Joe Biden and the Democrats soft on crime, open border policies were still in effect.

00:09:40.240 Now, that's a lot.

00:09:41.320 1,400 people still alive.

00:09:43.420 Nobody knows who it is.

00:09:44.420 It may be you.

00:09:45.160 It may be me.

00:09:45.860 It may be our family or loved ones.

00:09:47.220 We don't know who it is that would have been murdered, but there would have been more murders.

00:09:50.300 As big as that is, that's not even close to the biggest decrease in deaths because of President Trump and because of common sense policies.

00:10:00.080 The biggest decrease in deaths comes from the drug overdose deaths numbers.

00:10:05.040 And I want to pause for a second and ask everyone listening to this.

00:10:09.520 Have you seen this on the 6 o'clock news?

00:10:12.200 Have you read this in the New York Times?

00:10:14.600 Have you seen the corporate media covering this?

00:10:16.880 They don't want to cover this.

00:10:17.740 Here are the stats.

00:10:18.860 In 2025, drug overdose deaths in America dropped roughly 21%.

00:10:27.360 Now, what does that mean?

00:10:28.940 That means in 2024, there were 91,694 deaths from drug overdoses.

00:10:40.120 91,694.

00:10:42.320 Same time period, and that's actually year-long projected looking at the data.

00:10:47.720 From January to August, and this is from the CDC.

00:10:51.560 91,694 in 2024.

00:10:55.000 What do you think they were in 2025?

00:10:57.380 Well, the answer is 72,836.

00:11:02.380 In other words, the deaths fell from 91,694 to 72,836.

00:11:09.700 That means there are about 19,000 people who did not die because of drug overdoses.

00:11:17.240 And what are the policies that led to it?

00:11:19.580 Well, number one, securing the border.

00:11:21.120 We've seen a 99% decrease in illegal crossings.

00:11:24.320 Number two, targeting the drug traffickers.

00:11:26.780 All of the images you've seen of the administration taking out Venezuelan drug boats filled with drugs.

00:11:34.120 Those drugs are not arriving in the United States at nearly the same rate.

00:11:37.800 And there are 19,000 Americans who are alive today.

00:11:40.900 These are sons and daughters.

00:11:43.240 These are husbands and wives, brothers and sisters that are alive that did not die.

00:11:47.820 You combine the decrease in deaths from drug overdoses with the decrease in deaths from murders, and you're looking at more than 20,000 Americans that are alive today.

00:11:59.260 And so you may not think that government policies necessarily impact your life, but there are 20,000 Americans,

00:12:06.460 and none of us will know for sure who those 20,000 are that are alive today because the administration is rightly focused on public safety,

00:12:16.980 rightly focused on locking up violent criminals, on putting murderers in jail, on putting rapists in jail, on putting child molesters in jail,

00:12:24.160 and on deporting violent criminal illegal immigrants and gang members, and America is much, much safer as a result.

00:12:32.380 You know what's interesting about this, Senator, and I just talk about a compare and contrast.

00:12:37.680 Donald Trump comes in, and we lower crime statistically nationwide, and it's in a level, as you mentioned earlier, that we haven't seen in decades.

00:12:49.360 You compare that to what Democrats were doing to lower crime, they were just lying about the crime stats.

00:12:57.600 Washington, D.C. is a prime example of this.

00:13:00.260 Before the election, they wanted to look like crime had gone down.

00:13:03.280 They straight-up lied about the crime statistics.

00:13:06.300 We've seen this happen in other cities around the country where they got busted lying or recategorizing certain crimes

00:13:13.280 and putting them in different categories so they wouldn't be reported the same way to make it artificially look like crime had gone down.

00:13:20.260 And the difference here is one party really fights crime and goes after the criminals and wins,

00:13:25.420 and the other one says when you do a crime, we'll make it look safer by altering the numbers.

00:13:31.440 That is the difference between the Republican and the Democratic Party on the issue of crime in America today.

00:13:36.120 That's exactly right.

00:13:37.600 And you also have, you have the media deliberately lying.

00:13:42.360 So, for example, this past week, there was a story that was breathlessly reported,

00:13:47.920 which is that the Trump administration has arrested a five-year-old.

00:13:52.940 ICE has targeted a five-year-old, and there's an adorable picture of a little five-year-old.

00:13:57.460 And the left went crazy with that.

00:13:59.680 Twitter went crazy with that.

00:14:01.460 There are multiple reports.

00:14:03.380 It turns out that the five-year-old, what happened is his father was an illegal immigrant.

00:14:09.340 ICE showed up to arrest the illegal immigrant father.

00:14:12.320 And the father abandoned the kid.

00:14:14.640 He ran off.

00:14:16.060 And so the ICE agents, understandably, stayed back with the five-year-old kid

00:14:20.260 because the father had just left him alone.

00:14:24.320 And, you know, I guess the alternative, which the media would want ICE to do,

00:14:29.000 is just to let a five-year-old kid be alone on the streets and freeze to death.

00:14:32.580 Like, it is the level of duplicity, the level of mendacity, the level of just flat-out lying

00:14:40.480 is astonishing.

00:14:42.000 And why is that?

00:14:43.000 It is because the Democrats and the media, although I repeat myself,

00:14:48.500 do not want you to know that the people they're showing up and arresting

00:14:53.220 are overwhelmingly violent criminals.

00:14:56.700 They're not five-year-old kids.

00:14:58.040 In this instance, the five-year-old child was abandoned by his father.

00:15:02.400 And by the way, there are instances all over the country

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00:15:12.860 law enforcement will always take care of the kid.

00:15:14.760 That's what your father's been in law enforcement his whole life.

00:15:17.740 That's what your dad would do.

00:15:18.820 It's what any law enforcement would do if a parent abandons a child.

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00:17:26.860 All right, I want to get to another big story, Senator,

00:17:29.120 and it deals with Jack Smith.

00:17:31.180 He was in front of Congress.

00:17:33.160 I would assume 90% of this audience

00:17:35.820 does not know that he had to testify

00:17:37.580 before Congress this week.

00:17:39.240 Not because they're uninformed,

00:17:41.220 because the media refuses to cover this.

00:17:43.440 They think this is old news

00:17:44.860 and just hashing out something

00:17:47.000 that happened a long time ago

00:17:48.300 so no one should care.

00:17:49.960 I think we should remind people

00:17:52.520 of why accountability is still so vitally important

00:17:55.980 and what Jack Smith was a part of.

00:17:59.900 Can you just give a quick synopsis to people

00:18:02.440 so that people remember who is Jack Smith,

00:18:05.200 what was he doing to abuse power,

00:18:06.940 and just how corrupt was his, quote,

00:18:09.440 investigation to Donald Trump and others?

00:18:11.820 Jack Smith was the point of the spear

00:18:13.520 on the greatest abuse of power

00:18:15.480 we have seen in modern times.

00:18:17.580 And to put it in context,

00:18:18.980 what Jack Smith did was orders of magnitude worse

00:18:22.700 than what the Nixon administration

00:18:24.960 did during Watergate.

00:18:26.440 During Watergate,

00:18:27.260 you had a couple of half-rate burglars

00:18:29.740 break into the headquarters of the DNC,

00:18:33.220 the Democrat National Committee.

00:18:35.500 In this instance, Jack Smith,

00:18:37.580 what he did was orders of magnitude worse.

00:18:40.320 He went directly after President Trump,

00:18:42.840 indicted him multiple times.

00:18:44.900 He did so for a very explicit reason,

00:18:47.000 because he wanted to prevent the American people

00:18:48.920 from re-electing him.

00:18:50.020 It was an effort directly to subvert democracy.

00:18:53.820 It was the first time in the history

00:18:55.020 of the United States

00:18:55.820 that a president or former president

00:18:57.300 has been indicted.

00:18:58.200 Jack Smith did it twice,

00:18:59.360 and then he also teamed up

00:19:00.660 with his rogue Democrat local prosecutors

00:19:03.940 to do it two more times.

00:19:05.380 He also subpoenaed the phone records

00:19:07.780 of roughly 20% of the Republicans

00:19:10.880 in the Senate in a fishing expedition.

00:19:13.400 He targeted over 400 Republicans.

00:19:15.940 It was a political persecution.

00:19:19.000 If you're a fan of Les Mis,

00:19:20.960 Jack Smith would make Javert blush.

00:19:25.040 He was out of control,

00:19:26.740 and he continues to be brazen.

00:19:28.320 And I will tell you,

00:19:28.840 his testimony testified

00:19:29.860 for the House of Representatives.

00:19:31.700 It was a disaster.

00:19:33.060 Jim Jordan, your friend and mine,

00:19:34.780 he's been a guest on the Verdict podcast before.

00:19:37.560 Jim Jordan chaired the hearing.

00:19:39.260 He opened the hearing by pointing out

00:19:41.040 that the FBI,

00:19:41.980 when it raided Mar-a-Lago,

00:19:43.040 that it searched Melania's closet

00:19:46.060 because apparently her clothing 0.51

00:19:49.180 and underwear is a matter

00:19:50.540 of national security,

00:19:51.640 according to Jack Smith

00:19:52.800 and the Biden DOJ.

00:19:54.260 And it searched

00:19:55.360 Barron Trump's bedroom

00:19:57.380 because, you know,

00:19:58.040 going after a teenager

00:19:59.180 is really the best use

00:20:00.680 for the Department of Justice.

00:20:01.780 And I guess it is

00:20:02.840 if you're willing

00:20:04.000 to abuse your power.

00:20:05.100 I want you to listen

00:20:06.020 to Jim Jordan

00:20:08.700 talking about Jack Smith

00:20:10.620 at the hearing.

00:20:11.360 Here, give a listen.

00:20:12.440 Gentleman yields back.

00:20:13.600 Mr. Smith,

00:20:14.260 is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar? 1.00

00:20:16.420 She was their star witness.

00:20:18.700 January 6th committee,

00:20:19.840 their star witness

00:20:20.820 in one of those staged

00:20:22.060 and choreographed hearings

00:20:23.420 they paid the former president

00:20:25.020 of ABC News

00:20:26.680 to put together.

00:20:28.380 She was, in fact,

00:20:28.900 the only witness

00:20:29.660 at this special

00:20:30.620 prime time hearing

00:20:32.260 Tuesday, June 28th, 2022,

00:20:35.520 eight o'clock in the evening.

00:20:36.780 And she told some stories.

00:20:39.380 I mean, these were

00:20:40.140 these were some stories.

00:20:41.900 She talked about

00:20:42.540 the president

00:20:43.600 lunged across the back seat,

00:20:45.960 grabbed the steering wheel,

00:20:47.340 tried to drive the car

00:20:48.680 to the Capitol.

00:20:49.940 And I just want to know,

00:20:51.140 you think she was lying?

00:20:52.760 Chairman Jordan,

00:20:53.560 my assessment

00:20:54.900 of that particular issue

00:20:56.920 is that

00:20:57.900 with respect to

00:20:59.620 the testimony

00:21:00.780 about someone lunging,

00:21:02.060 the president lunging

00:21:03.180 towards the driver,

00:21:05.640 my recollection

00:21:07.080 of her testimony

00:21:07.920 about that

00:21:08.560 is that it was secondhand.

00:21:10.000 She said she'd heard

00:21:10.900 that from somebody.

00:21:11.900 You familiar with the name

00:21:12.760 Tony Ornato?

00:21:13.980 I'm sorry.

00:21:14.560 You familiar with the name

00:21:15.420 Tony Ornato?

00:21:16.700 Yes.

00:21:17.640 White House deputy

00:21:18.340 chief of operations,

00:21:19.500 deputy chief of staff

00:21:20.200 for operations, right?

00:21:22.040 You remember,

00:21:22.340 you know,

00:21:22.580 you remember what he said

00:21:23.900 about it?

00:21:24.700 As I sit here right now,

00:21:25.680 I do not.

00:21:26.220 Yeah, he said it didn't happen.

00:21:27.820 How about Bobby Engle?

00:21:28.700 You familiar with that name?

00:21:30.100 Yes, I am.

00:21:31.080 Secret service agent

00:21:31.940 who was actually in the car?

00:21:33.860 That day?

00:21:34.540 You know what he said?

00:21:35.660 He said it didn't happen.

00:21:37.260 And they both said

00:21:38.340 the first time

00:21:39.080 they ever heard this story

00:21:40.860 was when

00:21:41.960 Ms. Hutchinson

00:21:42.800 testified

00:21:43.560 in the prime time hearing

00:21:45.280 as their star witness

00:21:46.440 of the January 6th committee.

00:21:48.620 By the way,

00:21:49.000 did you ever confirm

00:21:49.800 her testimony

00:21:50.500 about this particular incident?

00:21:53.300 We conducted,

00:21:55.280 as I said before,

00:21:56.300 our own independent investigation

00:21:58.160 of all aspects

00:21:59.700 of the case

00:22:00.200 that we thought

00:22:00.660 was relevant.

00:22:01.820 We,

00:22:01.940 attorneys from my office.

00:22:03.740 Did you ever confirm it?

00:22:04.500 That's a simple question.

00:22:06.360 We interviewed her,

00:22:07.780 I should say,

00:22:08.280 attorneys in my office before.

00:22:09.220 Did you ever confirm

00:22:10.220 the president

00:22:10.760 leaping across the seat,

00:22:13.000 grabbing the steering wheel,

00:22:14.040 this whole concoction

00:22:15.060 she brought up

00:22:15.780 in the January 6th hearing?

00:22:16.880 Did you ever confirm that?

00:22:17.840 Right.

00:22:17.980 We interviewed another

00:22:20.240 first-hand witness

00:22:21.300 who was in the car

00:22:23.100 who did not confirm

00:22:25.380 that that happened,

00:22:27.060 but also stated...

00:22:28.260 In your deposition

00:22:28.700 to the committee

00:22:29.500 last month,

00:22:30.440 Mr. Smith,

00:22:31.420 you said this,

00:22:32.500 my recollection

00:22:33.260 with Ms. Hutchinson

00:22:34.040 was a number of the things

00:22:35.120 that she gave evidence on

00:22:36.260 were second-hand hearsay.

00:22:37.620 You remember making

00:22:38.320 that statement to us

00:22:39.100 last month

00:22:40.060 in the deposition?

00:22:41.140 I did,

00:22:41.700 and I was referring

00:22:42.380 particularly to what

00:22:43.600 we're talking about now.

00:22:44.580 Yeah, and you also said

00:22:45.540 Ms. Hutchinson regarding

00:22:46.380 this particular claim

00:22:47.380 was a second

00:22:48.060 or even third-hand witness.

00:22:49.600 We asked you,

00:22:50.240 if you were a defense attorney,

00:22:51.460 how would you handle

00:22:52.180 cross-examining her

00:22:53.200 if she was on the witness stand?

00:22:54.540 And you said,

00:22:55.040 if I were a defense attorney

00:22:55.880 and Ms. Hutchinson

00:22:56.460 were a witness,

00:22:57.180 the first thing I would do

00:22:58.360 was seek to preclude

00:22:59.200 her testimony

00:22:59.840 because it was hearsay.

00:23:01.300 You remember saying all that?

00:23:02.420 Yes, that's correct, sir.

00:23:03.340 That's correct, right?

00:23:04.360 Were you going to put her

00:23:04.960 on the witness stand

00:23:05.620 if you ever got to trial?

00:23:07.120 We had not made

00:23:08.200 final determinations

00:23:09.260 as to who we were going

00:23:10.380 to call as a witness.

00:23:11.420 We had a large...

00:23:12.200 You were still considering her?

00:23:13.220 We had a large choice

00:23:15.700 of witnesses in this case.

00:23:16.880 Are you familiar

00:23:17.320 what Washington Post reporters

00:23:19.560 Carol Lenning

00:23:20.420 and Aaron Davis

00:23:21.220 said in their book?

00:23:21.980 They did his book,

00:23:22.820 300-some pages book

00:23:24.000 on Chronicle

00:23:24.800 and the whole investigation

00:23:25.640 of the Justice Department.

00:23:26.860 And here's what they said

00:23:27.860 on page 310.

00:23:29.600 They said,

00:23:30.040 Jack Smith had wondered

00:23:31.160 whether some of Hutchinson's claims

00:23:32.580 might be relied upon at trial.

00:23:34.560 Still, at one point,

00:23:35.520 Smith told the elections team

00:23:36.740 he wasn't ready to give up

00:23:37.960 on Hutchinson's account.

00:23:39.560 Ultimately, however,

00:23:40.980 Trump administration officials

00:23:42.260 uniformly, fiercely disputed

00:23:44.520 her accounts under oath.

00:23:45.920 Prosecutors on your team

00:23:46.980 told Smith

00:23:47.520 they wouldn't want

00:23:48.480 to use Hutchinson

00:23:49.220 as a witness in court

00:23:50.300 and Smith agreed.

00:23:52.580 Are Carol Lenning

00:23:53.220 and Aaron Davis

00:23:54.020 who wrote this,

00:23:54.600 are they lying?

00:23:55.680 My recollection

00:23:56.620 is that I certainly

00:23:58.220 had not made

00:23:58.920 any final determinations

00:24:00.160 about who we were

00:24:02.080 going to call as a witness.

00:24:02.460 And that's the point.

00:24:03.760 That is the point.

00:24:04.860 The fact that they used her

00:24:06.300 in a primetime hearing

00:24:07.800 and you won't rule out

00:24:09.380 using her,

00:24:10.020 didn't rule out

00:24:10.660 using her,

00:24:11.140 putting her on the witness stand

00:24:12.020 when everybody knows

00:24:13.340 she wasn't telling the truth,

00:24:14.960 that says it all.

00:24:17.180 That's the degree

00:24:18.260 the left and Democrats

00:24:20.100 were willing to go

00:24:21.000 to get President Trump.

00:24:21.960 Putting on the witness stand

00:24:22.940 someone everybody knows

00:24:24.420 is making it up.

00:24:26.040 Everybody knows that.

00:24:27.800 And you are willing to do it.

00:24:28.500 By the way,

00:24:28.900 you know how many times

00:24:29.600 Cassie Hutchinson

00:24:30.520 was mentioned in their report,

00:24:31.860 the January 6th report?

00:24:33.340 Any idea, Mr. Smith?

00:24:34.860 I do not.

00:24:35.400 A hundred and eighty-five times.

00:24:37.980 Someone that the whole country knows

00:24:39.980 wasn't telling the truth

00:24:41.540 and you were still considering

00:24:43.200 putting her on the witness stand

00:24:44.800 because you had to get

00:24:46.980 President Trump.

00:24:48.320 And everybody can see that.

00:24:50.920 Senator, you listen

00:24:52.120 to that line of questioning

00:24:53.080 and that's just five minutes

00:24:55.020 of pure facts and gold

00:24:57.020 from Jim Jordan

00:24:57.880 reminding people

00:24:59.300 what they were trying to do

00:25:01.320 on the left.

00:25:02.360 Even when they knew

00:25:03.480 that things were being made up,

00:25:04.700 that lies were being told.

00:25:06.420 And this is no different

00:25:07.340 than Russian collusion

00:25:08.380 back in 16

00:25:09.260 when the FBI

00:25:10.680 had already declared

00:25:11.640 that they thought

00:25:12.320 that the Steele dossier

00:25:13.340 was, quote,

00:25:14.260 user-generated

00:25:15.120 and they used it anyway.

00:25:16.880 That's exactly

00:25:17.680 what was happening here

00:25:19.320 with the special counsel.

00:25:21.420 It was weaponize

00:25:22.500 and do whatever you want to do

00:25:23.840 to try to stop Donald Trump

00:25:25.440 from becoming president again.

00:25:27.540 Well, and what Jim Jordan

00:25:29.140 did there

00:25:29.640 was also highlight

00:25:30.600 the willingness

00:25:31.120 to rely on people

00:25:32.380 that were lying

00:25:33.100 that were obviously lying.

00:25:34.920 You know, I will say

00:25:35.600 it's interesting.

00:25:36.120 Cassidy Hutchison,

00:25:37.880 I don't know her personally.

00:25:39.720 Before she worked 0.98

00:25:40.580 in the White House,

00:25:41.360 she was apparently

00:25:42.140 an intern in my office.

00:25:44.080 I have no recollection of her.

00:25:46.360 We have lots of interns 0.87

00:25:47.740 who come in and out

00:25:48.400 of the office.

00:25:49.220 We tend to have interns 0.93

00:25:50.020 in the spring semester

00:25:50.840 and the fall semester

00:25:51.600 and also during the summer.

00:25:53.200 And typically,

00:25:54.320 I will sit down

00:25:55.380 with the group of interns

00:25:56.460 that are with us

00:25:57.240 for like a 20-minute meeting

00:25:58.420 in my office

00:25:58.960 and I'll talk with them

00:25:59.800 a little bit.

00:26:00.200 So I assume I met her

00:26:01.620 when she interned

00:26:02.540 but I don't remember her.

00:26:04.380 She wrote a book

00:26:05.420 right after her star testimony.

00:26:08.540 She wrote a book

00:26:09.300 of all of her stories

00:26:10.520 and in it,

00:26:12.140 she describes

00:26:13.160 this exchange with me,

00:26:15.600 this conversation

00:26:16.640 that she says

00:26:17.440 happened with me

00:26:18.480 that is truly fantastic

00:26:20.100 because it never occurred

00:26:22.100 and it was an exchange

00:26:23.520 that she said occurred

00:26:24.360 after she went

00:26:25.020 to the White House

00:26:25.980 and the dialogue

00:26:27.280 back and forth

00:26:28.200 she makes up

00:26:29.180 has me kind of like

00:26:30.960 tugging on her shirt sleeve

00:26:33.400 and asking for her help

00:26:34.960 and it has her

00:26:36.300 like strongly

00:26:37.480 like sticking it

00:26:39.100 to the senator.

00:26:40.020 I have to admit,

00:26:41.000 so I didn't read her book

00:26:42.860 and I think very few people

00:26:44.300 actually did.

00:26:45.760 I did what's called

00:26:47.000 the Washington read

00:26:47.960 when someone writes

00:26:48.820 something about you

00:26:49.520 that's sort of making

00:26:50.080 a little bit of news

00:26:50.820 which is I went and read

00:26:51.780 the like page

00:26:52.760 where she talks about it

00:26:53.800 and I literally laughed

00:26:55.420 out loud at the exchange

00:26:57.240 because it was truly fiction

00:27:00.760 and the fact that she was

00:27:02.440 willing to fictionalize

00:27:03.520 a conversation with me

00:27:04.900 that did not occur

00:27:07.120 tells me that the other pages

00:27:10.500 of the book

00:27:11.020 are quite likely

00:27:11.700 to be fiction as well

00:27:12.820 and it speaks volumes

00:27:14.920 that both Jack Smith

00:27:16.000 and the Democrats

00:27:18.400 running the January 6th commission

00:27:19.780 were perfectly happy

00:27:21.100 to rely upon a fabulist

00:27:22.700 whom they knew

00:27:23.500 was not telling the truth.

00:27:24.980 Senator, one of our good friends

00:27:26.640 actually did a great

00:27:27.960 back and forth

00:27:28.800 in this hearing.

00:27:30.580 Brandon Gill,

00:27:31.340 a guy who

00:27:32.560 his tone

00:27:33.400 and his demeanor

00:27:34.380 is always really cool

00:27:35.880 and calm

00:27:36.500 and kind of quiet

00:27:37.320 but very direct

00:27:38.860 and it's a personality

00:27:41.320 that I love watching

00:27:42.920 because of the way

00:27:43.860 that he asks questions

00:27:45.000 and gets answers

00:27:45.920 and he did a really fabulous job

00:27:48.020 in this situation as well.

00:27:49.880 Well, as you know,

00:27:51.020 Brandon Gill is a good friend.

00:27:52.240 He's a freshman

00:27:53.020 representative from Texas.

00:27:55.160 He's someone I supported

00:27:56.280 when he ran

00:27:56.900 in a very crowded primary.

00:27:58.500 He had a big win

00:27:59.780 and I told the voters of Texas

00:28:01.200 if they elected him

00:28:02.400 he was going to be

00:28:03.360 a leader in Washington

00:28:04.280 and already

00:28:04.900 just in his first year plus

00:28:08.760 on Capitol Hill

00:28:10.080 he's already proven

00:28:11.040 to be a leader in Washington.

00:28:12.780 Here he's cross-examining

00:28:14.180 Jack Smith

00:28:14.800 about Arctic Frost

00:28:16.080 and in particular

00:28:16.800 his willingness

00:28:17.500 to trample on the Constitution

00:28:18.920 to target

00:28:19.700 both the Speaker

00:28:20.980 of the House

00:28:21.440 Kevin McCarthy

00:28:22.200 and also roughly

00:28:23.620 20% of the Republicans

00:28:24.940 in the United States Senate.

00:28:26.580 Give a listen

00:28:27.280 to this exchange

00:28:28.160 and how ridiculous

00:28:30.240 Jack Smith's responses

00:28:31.640 are

00:28:32.260 to Brandon Gill's questions.

00:28:35.640 The gentleman from Texas

00:28:36.840 Mr. Gill

00:28:37.280 is recognized

00:28:37.720 for five minutes.

00:28:39.700 Mr. Smith

00:28:40.340 in January of 2023

00:28:41.760 did you subpoena

00:28:42.640 then Speaker

00:28:43.420 of the House

00:28:43.840 Kevin McCarthy's

00:28:44.660 toll records?

00:28:45.200 Yes sir we did.

00:28:49.620 Yes you did

00:28:50.060 and the subpoena

00:28:50.580 covered the time period

00:28:51.520 between November 2020

00:28:52.640 and January 2021

00:28:53.740 is that right?

00:28:56.040 I'm sorry sir

00:28:56.940 could you say that again?

00:28:58.200 We're not

00:28:58.680 we're not going to delay

00:28:59.440 like this

00:28:59.900 the subpoena

00:29:00.340 covered the time period

00:29:01.360 between November of 2020

00:29:02.740 and January 2021

00:29:04.080 how many days

00:29:05.300 after Kevin McCarthy

00:29:06.160 was sworn in

00:29:06.940 as Speaker

00:29:07.480 did you subpoena

00:29:08.200 his records?

00:29:11.220 I don't recall

00:29:12.400 but those two things

00:29:13.480 had nothing to do with one.

00:29:14.500 16 days after becoming

00:29:15.880 the highest ranking

00:29:17.060 Republican

00:29:17.680 in the House

00:29:18.780 of Representatives

00:29:19.460 you subpoenaed

00:29:20.360 his toll records

00:29:21.220 do you agree

00:29:22.220 that that might

00:29:22.740 reasonably be considered

00:29:24.160 a violation

00:29:24.740 of the speech

00:29:25.280 or debate clause?

00:29:28.840 I do not

00:29:29.840 and I want to be clear

00:29:30.800 that the toll records

00:29:31.480 You were collecting

00:29:32.100 months worth

00:29:32.880 of phone data

00:29:33.680 on the Republican

00:29:34.980 Speaker of the House

00:29:36.020 the leader

00:29:36.560 of the opposition

00:29:37.400 right after he got

00:29:38.940 sworn in as Speaker

00:29:40.020 all around the time

00:29:41.360 of a major vote

00:29:42.260 that sounds like

00:29:43.140 a flagrant violation

00:29:45.020 of the speech

00:29:45.580 or debate clause

00:29:46.360 to me

00:29:46.640 and I think

00:29:46.920 most people

00:29:47.560 agree with me

00:29:48.660 and Speaker McCarthy

00:29:49.600 had no recourse

00:29:50.540 did he?

00:29:50.960 Because you issued

00:29:51.580 a non-disclosure

00:29:52.960 order ensuring

00:29:53.840 that neither he

00:29:54.900 nor any of the

00:29:56.180 American people

00:29:56.780 knew about

00:29:57.280 these subpoenas

00:29:57.880 is that right?

00:30:00.820 The toll record

00:30:02.080 the non-content

00:30:03.120 toll record subpoenas

00:30:04.160 we did secure

00:30:05.560 non-disclosure orders

00:30:06.860 for those subpoenas

00:30:07.700 You did

00:30:08.260 and let me ask you

00:30:08.820 Mr. Smith

00:30:09.520 at the time

00:30:10.000 you secured

00:30:10.860 those non-disclosure

00:30:11.740 orders

00:30:12.020 was Speaker McCarthy

00:30:13.120 a flight risk?

00:30:16.080 The

00:30:16.560 non-disclosure

00:30:18.620 order

00:30:19.000 was based

00:30:19.800 on concerns

00:30:20.460 about

00:30:20.660 Was Speaker McCarthy

00:30:21.620 a flight risk?

00:30:22.440 He was not

00:30:23.000 He was not

00:30:23.800 Then why did

00:30:24.340 your non-disclosure

00:30:25.200 order refer to him

00:30:26.240 as a flight risk?

00:30:28.300 It says right here

00:30:29.200 the court finds

00:30:29.840 reasonable grounds

00:30:30.840 to believe

00:30:31.300 that such disclosure

00:30:32.340 will result

00:30:33.040 in flight

00:30:33.560 from prosecution

00:30:34.460 Sir

00:30:39.200 when securing

00:30:40.560 a non-disclosure

00:30:41.820 order

00:30:42.200 the risks

00:30:43.860 don't have

00:30:45.140 to be associated

00:30:45.840 You think

00:30:46.100 that the Speaker

00:30:47.260 of the House

00:30:47.760 is a flight risk?

00:30:48.620 Can you finish answering

00:30:48.640 the question?

00:30:49.720 No, this is not

00:30:50.580 your time

00:30:51.120 This is my time

00:30:52.100 You think

00:30:52.960 the Speaker

00:30:53.900 of the House

00:30:54.420 is a flight risk?

00:30:55.260 You think he's

00:30:55.600 going to hop

00:30:55.960 on a plane

00:30:56.420 and leave the country?

00:30:58.800 No

00:30:59.040 What I was trying

00:31:00.360 to explain

00:31:00.980 is with respect

00:31:02.420 to a non-disclosure

00:31:03.360 order

00:31:03.700 The risks

00:31:04.680 aren't necessarily

00:31:05.800 associated

00:31:06.560 with the subscriber

00:31:07.840 to the phone

00:31:08.540 The risks

00:31:10.060 to the investigation

00:31:11.120 I think

00:31:12.120 that you were using

00:31:13.020 This was clearly

00:31:13.840 in reference

00:31:14.500 to Speaker McCarthy

00:31:16.280 and you were using

00:31:17.100 clearly false information

00:31:18.640 to secure

00:31:19.160 a non-disclosure order

00:31:20.380 to hide

00:31:21.280 from Speaker McCarthy

00:31:22.280 and from the

00:31:23.120 American people

00:31:23.880 the fact that you

00:31:24.780 were spying

00:31:25.320 on his toll records

00:31:26.240 But I've got more

00:31:26.940 so let's move on

00:31:28.320 In May of 2023

00:31:29.600 you also issued

00:31:30.720 subpoenas

00:31:31.120 for toll records

00:31:32.000 of nine U.S. senators

00:31:33.420 and an additional

00:31:34.560 representative

00:31:35.200 Is that right?

00:31:38.940 In May of 2023

00:31:40.140 we did issue

00:31:41.780 You did

00:31:42.180 and there were

00:31:42.520 non-disclosure orders

00:31:43.420 in conjunction

00:31:43.960 with those subpoenas

00:31:44.720 as well, right?

00:31:46.240 That's correct

00:31:46.940 consistent with

00:31:47.640 department policy

00:31:48.480 and the law

00:31:48.920 So again

00:31:49.520 nobody would know

00:31:50.220 what you were doing

00:31:50.700 The senators would

00:31:51.580 and the representatives

00:31:52.320 would

00:31:52.720 and the American people

00:31:53.460 wouldn't know

00:31:53.780 what you were doing

00:31:54.320 Is that right?

00:31:54.820 The toll records

00:31:57.900 that we secured

00:31:59.120 and the non-disclosure

00:32:00.600 orders

00:32:01.020 were consistent

00:32:02.100 with policy

00:32:02.840 And you knew

00:32:04.020 whenever you were

00:32:04.560 doing that

00:32:04.980 that there was a risk

00:32:05.760 you were violating

00:32:06.460 the speech or debate

00:32:07.200 clause

00:32:07.540 Is that right?

00:32:10.140 The toll records

00:32:11.200 subpoenas

00:32:11.580 that we secured

00:32:12.440 were with the

00:32:13.080 concurrence

00:32:13.580 of the public

00:32:14.100 integrity

00:32:14.340 Your own analysis

00:32:15.320 says that you knew

00:32:16.400 there was a risk

00:32:17.180 you were violating

00:32:18.200 the speech or debate

00:32:19.060 clause

00:32:19.400 I have it right here

00:32:20.280 This is an email

00:32:21.360 from John Keller

00:32:22.360 at Public Integrity

00:32:23.380 Section to your team

00:32:24.760 As you are aware

00:32:26.140 Quote

00:32:26.500 As you are aware

00:32:27.200 there is some

00:32:27.760 litigation risk

00:32:28.840 regarding whether

00:32:29.520 compelled disclosure

00:32:30.620 of toll records

00:32:31.560 of a member's

00:32:32.660 legislative cause

00:32:33.500 violates the speech

00:32:34.580 or debate clause

00:32:35.320 in the D.C. Circuit

00:32:36.200 That's from your own

00:32:37.000 analysis right there

00:32:38.180 So you did know

00:32:39.440 didn't you?

00:32:40.640 Sir with respect

00:32:41.180 to the item

00:32:41.940 you just put up

00:32:42.620 on the screen

00:32:43.260 the last sentence

00:32:44.440 states

00:32:45.120 Oh we're going to

00:32:46.640 get to the last sentence

00:32:47.640 Okay

00:32:48.880 We're going to get

00:32:49.320 to the last sentence

00:32:50.060 and you cite

00:32:51.460 case law in here

00:32:52.300 Quote

00:32:52.520 The bar on

00:32:53.180 compelled disclosure

00:32:54.240 is absolute

00:32:55.000 Is that right

00:32:56.200 or do you think

00:32:56.680 that you didn't

00:32:57.120 have to abide

00:32:58.140 by that precedent?

00:32:59.980 To be clear

00:33:00.920 this is not

00:33:01.640 this statement

00:33:02.380 is not from my office

00:33:03.700 This is the statement

00:33:04.600 This is your justification

00:33:06.340 for those subpoenas

00:33:08.160 and NDOs

00:33:08.980 that you ordered

00:33:09.520 This was part

00:33:10.180 of your analysis

00:33:10.900 It's a cursory analysis

00:33:12.380 I think it's worth noting

00:33:13.580 Let's get to that

00:33:14.760 last sentence then

00:33:15.720 Quote

00:33:16.220 Given my understanding

00:33:17.300 of the low likelihood

00:33:18.320 that any of the members

00:33:19.440 listed below

00:33:20.160 would be charged

00:33:20.880 The litigation risk

00:33:22.460 should be minimal here

00:33:23.960 In other words

00:33:25.320 you're using

00:33:25.820 a novel legal theory

00:33:26.980 which you knew

00:33:27.560 was novel

00:33:28.100 has never been tested

00:33:29.280 by any court

00:33:30.160 You're not charging

00:33:31.460 any of these members

00:33:32.380 Nobody's going to know

00:33:33.400 about it

00:33:33.800 because you issued

00:33:34.780 NDOs

00:33:35.500 Nobody's going to

00:33:36.600 sue about it

00:33:37.220 so sue this 0.93

00:33:38.200 so who cares

00:33:39.020 we're going to

00:33:39.440 do it anyways

00:33:40.300 I mean you walked

00:33:41.940 all over the constitution

00:33:43.440 throughout this entire process

00:33:45.060 Chairman the Gentleman's Times

00:33:45.880 expiring on members

00:33:46.740 of Congress

00:33:47.280 and you know it

00:33:48.080 it's absolutely disgraceful

00:33:49.960 It's incredible

00:33:51.320 when you hear

00:33:52.580 just how

00:33:53.740 out of control

00:33:54.880 our government

00:33:56.760 was

00:33:57.980 under the direction

00:33:58.940 of the Biden administration

00:34:00.060 and Jack Smith

00:34:01.380 and the unlimited powers

00:34:03.580 that clearly

00:34:04.140 he believed he had

00:34:04.980 to just do

00:34:05.820 and create

00:34:06.380 whatever he wanted

00:34:07.080 to try to bring

00:34:07.860 down Donald Trump

00:34:08.640 and anyone around him

00:34:09.880 Well Jack Smith

00:34:11.520 knew

00:34:11.840 that what he was doing

00:34:13.540 was illegal

00:34:14.040 that it violated

00:34:15.300 the constitution

00:34:16.020 that it violated

00:34:16.760 the speech and debate clause

00:34:17.940 but as that email exchange

00:34:20.260 indicates

00:34:21.000 that Brandon Gill read

00:34:22.660 he was counting

00:34:24.100 on the fact

00:34:24.580 that no one

00:34:24.980 would ever know about it

00:34:25.800 that it would stay secret

00:34:26.680 that it would never

00:34:27.180 be made public

00:34:27.800 so he could violate

00:34:29.160 the law

00:34:29.620 and his objective

00:34:31.360 was to prevent

00:34:33.800 the American people

00:34:35.280 from re-electing

00:34:36.200 President Trump

00:34:36.980 and let's be clear

00:34:37.840 if Kamala Harris

00:34:38.800 is DOJ

00:34:39.700 were in office

00:34:41.980 we wouldn't know

00:34:42.820 about this

00:34:43.320 nobody would know

00:34:44.000 about this

00:34:44.420 he would have succeeded

00:34:45.500 you know

00:34:46.180 he's like

00:34:47.140 the villain

00:34:48.480 in Scooby-Doo

00:34:49.400 you know

00:34:49.720 he would have

00:34:50.060 gotten away with it

00:34:50.940 if it weren't

00:34:51.560 for those meddling kids

00:34:52.740 and by the way

00:34:53.260 by the meddling kids

00:34:54.160 he means the voters

00:34:55.020 of America

00:34:55.660 who decided

00:34:56.920 no

00:34:57.360 we've had enough

00:34:58.540 of this dumpster fire

00:34:59.580 we'd like to get back

00:35:00.480 to common sense

00:35:01.300 and I gotta say

00:35:03.140 Jack Smith

00:35:04.580 is just calmly

00:35:05.420 telling Congress

00:35:06.260 that he went

00:35:07.040 before the judge

00:35:08.140 and he lied

00:35:08.660 he lied over and over

00:35:09.640 again

00:35:09.820 I thought the exchange

00:35:10.680 is Kevin McCarthy

00:35:11.500 a flight risk

00:35:12.240 he says no

00:35:13.260 well then why did you

00:35:14.640 tell the judge

00:35:15.200 he was a flight risk

00:35:16.000 and he has no good answer

00:35:17.640 well

00:35:17.920 you know

00:35:18.920 we're not referring

00:35:19.720 to the actual target

00:35:20.860 of the subpoena

00:35:21.980 it's complete nonsense

00:35:23.120 he also told

00:35:24.160 told the judge

00:35:25.600 that every Republican

00:35:26.740 that he subpoenaed

00:35:27.980 was likely

00:35:28.960 to destroy evidence

00:35:30.120 completely made up

00:35:31.200 false statements

00:35:31.980 and it's an abuse

00:35:33.340 of power

00:35:34.280 and Jack Smith

00:35:36.440 is completely unapologetic

00:35:37.720 incredible

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - January 23, 2026

Murder Rate Plummets-Trump Literally Saving Lives plus Disastrous Jack Smith Testimony

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