Verdict with Ted Cruz - One Vote Away

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00:00:04.860 You've probably heard a lot by now about Amy Coney Barrett,

00:00:08.600 President Trump's Supreme Court nominee.

00:00:10.680 Some of it true, most of it probably false.

00:00:13.600 How do you separate fact from fiction?

00:00:15.560 Well, luckily, we're about to speak with someone

00:00:17.940 who just sat down with Judge Barrett about an hour ago.

00:00:21.400 This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:00:22.760 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:00:31.500 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:00:33.240 Senator, one thing I love so much about this show

00:00:36.600 is that I get the inside scoop from you.

00:00:39.880 I have been absolutely flooded with a ton of information

00:00:43.680 about Amy Coney Barrett by the press.

00:00:45.840 I assume most of it is complete nonsense.

00:00:48.180 You just sat down with the Supreme Court nominee.

00:00:51.300 What can you tell us?

00:00:52.760 Well, she's very impressive.

00:00:55.340 So I had a meeting this afternoon at two o'clock

00:00:58.380 at the Capitol.

00:00:59.940 Normally what happens with Supreme Court nominees

00:01:02.440 is they come around office to office

00:01:05.000 and they come to each senator's office.

00:01:07.720 This time, because of COVID, they did a little bit differently.

00:01:10.460 So they did it in a big room in the Capitol

00:01:13.260 called the Mansfield Room

00:01:14.540 that they set up with the chairs separated

00:01:18.700 so we could socially distance.

00:01:19.920 And so I went by and visited with her,

00:01:23.100 went in initially, said hello,

00:01:24.820 did the elbow bump thing with masks,

00:01:27.160 and then sat down in the chairs,

00:01:29.720 invited the reporters in,

00:01:31.240 and I shared a few thoughts

00:01:32.940 in front of a bunch of reporters

00:01:34.640 who, as is their want, are screaming out questions.

00:01:39.040 And then we threw the reporters out of the room

00:01:43.660 and she and I visited.

00:01:45.460 We talked probably 45 minutes.

00:01:48.280 Wow.

00:01:49.480 And it's an impressive, you know,

00:01:52.220 I mean, most of us by now have heard the facts

00:01:54.960 and she's very impressive in terms of her record.

00:01:57.340 Number one in the class at Notre Dame Law School,

00:02:01.640 law clerk for Larry Silberman on the D.C. Circuit,

00:02:04.960 and then law clerk for Scalia on the Supreme Court,

00:02:08.240 law professor at Notre Dame for 20 years,

00:02:10.860 federal judge.

00:02:13.780 Actually, you know, where I started talking with her,

00:02:15.940 a lot of what I asked about is how her family was doing,

00:02:18.160 that this has been, you know,

00:02:20.160 she's got seven kids,

00:02:21.440 including a number of kids who are young kids.

00:02:23.600 And this process is brutal.

00:02:26.460 And, you know, I shared with her, being a dad,

00:02:30.040 I'd been through some pretty tough battles

00:02:33.280 with little kids.

00:02:34.820 Our girls are nine and 12

00:02:36.600 and they've seen all the nasty things said

00:02:39.760 and it's hard on them.

00:02:40.620 So, I mean, I just tried to visit with her a little bit

00:02:42.380 about the family aspect of it

00:02:44.580 and talk with her.

00:02:48.160 So she clerked at the Supreme Court the year after I did.

00:02:51.060 And she's very good friends

00:02:54.480 with some very close friends of mine

00:02:56.300 who are both professors at Notre Dame Law School.

00:02:59.520 So we visited about some of the challenges

00:03:03.780 of this process

00:03:04.780 and I asked her some questions

00:03:07.340 in terms of her approach,

00:03:10.340 how she approaches cases,

00:03:11.700 how she approaches being a judge.

00:03:14.520 But I also tried to just share with her

00:03:16.900 my thoughts and advice

00:03:18.300 in terms of approaching this hearing.

00:03:20.640 It's a pretty daunting thing

00:03:22.200 to be facing a hearing

00:03:23.380 where, you know,

00:03:25.140 I think Senate Democrats

00:03:26.140 are going to come after her really hard.

00:03:27.880 They've more or less promised it already.

00:03:30.140 I mean, we saw what happened to Brett Kavanaugh.

00:03:31.760 They're basically promising more than that.

00:03:34.060 So I think it's almost a guarantee

00:03:35.920 that it's going to be brutal.

00:03:37.320 What advice did you give Judge Barrett?

00:03:40.240 Well, my advice to her

00:03:41.500 is actually the advice I've given

00:03:42.940 a lot of nominees

00:03:43.860 who are coming before hearings,

00:03:45.300 which is be boring.

00:03:46.600 You don't want to make news.

00:03:49.340 You don't want to,

00:03:50.880 you want to calmly answer

00:03:52.480 the senator's questions.

00:03:54.940 Right now, the Senate Democrats

00:03:56.460 haven't really found any attacks

00:03:58.000 that are sticking.

00:03:59.480 And so part of their strategy

00:04:01.000 is going to be to try to provoke her

00:04:02.500 to say something foolish.

00:04:03.880 I don't think she's going to.

00:04:05.220 This is a very poised,

00:04:07.440 very mature, experienced judge,

00:04:10.840 an experienced professor.

00:04:11.960 One of the things I told her

00:04:14.360 is I said, listen, to be honest,

00:04:15.980 none of the Senate Democrats

00:04:17.240 are nearly as intimidating

00:04:18.860 as Scalia was.

00:04:21.840 She worked for Scalia, knew him well.

00:04:24.540 We talked a bit about Scalia.

00:04:26.560 I asked her her thoughts on Scalia,

00:04:29.080 what he did right,

00:04:29.760 what he did wrong.

00:04:31.800 You know, I talked about

00:04:32.660 her approach to questions.

00:04:35.660 I tried to walk through

00:04:37.280 some of the natural pitfalls.

00:04:39.760 So the reporters are all asking,

00:04:42.700 for example, they asked me,

00:04:44.200 is she going to recuse herself

00:04:46.100 if there are any

00:04:47.060 election-related disputes?

00:04:49.520 Why would she even recuse herself?

00:04:51.240 Because she's a Trump nominee.

00:04:53.020 Shouldn't Kavanaugh recuse himself then?

00:04:54.820 Because it's the Democratic

00:04:56.000 talking point,

00:04:56.800 so all the reporters

00:04:57.520 are repeating it.

00:04:58.460 Right, right.

00:04:59.380 And I said, no,

00:05:00.940 of course she wouldn't.

00:05:01.640 I said, she wouldn't recuse herself

00:05:03.580 any more than Elena Kagan

00:05:05.720 and Sonia Sotomayor would.

00:05:07.560 They were both appointed

00:05:08.540 by during the Obama-Biden administration.

00:05:11.520 Does the fact that Biden

00:05:12.520 was vice president

00:05:13.360 mean they should recuse themselves?

00:05:15.240 Of course not.

00:05:16.160 I actually afterwards

00:05:16.940 explained to reporters,

00:05:18.040 I said, look,

00:05:18.640 all nine justices

00:05:19.720 were appointed by presidents.

00:05:22.500 All or virtually all of them

00:05:23.960 have had to adjudicate cases

00:05:25.380 in which the president

00:05:26.540 of the administration

00:05:27.380 that appointed them

00:05:28.260 was a party before them,

00:05:29.940 may have had one particular side

00:05:32.120 or another,

00:05:32.660 and that's just part

00:05:33.540 of being a judge.

00:05:34.320 I mean, there's a standard,

00:05:35.540 a legal standard for recusal,

00:05:37.300 but the fact that

00:05:39.160 the president or the Senate

00:05:41.280 that appointed or confirmed you

00:05:42.880 is a party

00:05:43.860 is not a recognized standard

00:05:45.680 for recusal.

00:05:46.540 So that question they asked me,

00:05:48.800 I answered it.

00:05:49.660 She'll have to address that

00:05:52.180 at the hearing,

00:05:52.940 and I'm confident

00:05:54.800 she'll be able to.

00:05:57.700 You know,

00:05:58.240 one thing I talked with her about also,

00:06:00.100 there's a question

00:06:00.900 for every judicial nominee

00:06:02.700 about what do you say

00:06:06.320 about precedent.

00:06:07.240 So for example,

00:06:08.040 a question that gets asked

00:06:09.060 of every judicial nominee,

00:06:12.060 was Brown versus Board of Education

00:06:13.720 correctly decided?

00:06:15.400 Brown is the seminal case

00:06:17.400 that overruled Plessy

00:06:19.260 against Ferguson

00:06:20.020 and that ruled

00:06:21.760 that schools

00:06:22.720 had to be desegregated,

00:06:24.180 that we had to have

00:06:24.700 integrated public schools.

00:06:26.040 Plessy had,

00:06:27.220 was an abomination.

00:06:28.380 It had ruled

00:06:29.000 that separate but equal

00:06:30.520 was acceptable

00:06:31.420 under the Equal Protection Clause

00:06:33.040 to the Constitution.

00:06:34.300 Yeah.

00:06:35.460 And it's interesting

00:06:36.780 if you look at

00:06:37.540 particular Trump nominees,

00:06:38.920 that question gets asked

00:06:40.320 if not to every nominee,

00:06:41.440 just about every nominee.

00:06:43.360 And some of them answer it,

00:06:45.040 some of them don't.

00:06:48.100 Those who answer it,

00:06:50.860 so there are downsides to both.

00:06:52.640 If you don't answer it,

00:06:53.840 I've seen some judicial nominees say,

00:06:55.440 well,

00:06:55.820 I'm not going to share my thoughts

00:06:57.760 on any pending case

00:06:59.260 or any case

00:06:59.960 that might come

00:07:00.500 before the court.

00:07:01.800 The problem is,

00:07:02.520 if you don't answer it,

00:07:03.380 it lets the Democrats demagogue you.

00:07:05.240 You don't even believe in Brown.

00:07:06.600 What kind of crazy radical are you?

00:07:09.260 And you can't say

00:07:10.180 that you don't want to comment

00:07:11.340 on an issue

00:07:11.900 that will come before the court

00:07:12.900 because Brown versus

00:07:14.180 Board of Education

00:07:14.820 obviously already came

00:07:16.060 before the court.

00:07:17.600 Well,

00:07:18.400 and the Brown question

00:07:20.200 is really all a setup

00:07:21.800 to get at

00:07:23.000 if you answer it

00:07:25.700 and say you agree

00:07:26.900 with Brown,

00:07:28.320 the next question

00:07:29.500 where this is headed is,

00:07:31.060 all right,

00:07:31.480 what about Roe versus Wade?

00:07:32.760 What about Heller

00:07:33.440 versus District of Columbia?

00:07:34.760 What about Citizens United?

00:07:36.800 And it's the slippery slope

00:07:38.160 that if you're willing

00:07:38.820 to answer a question

00:07:39.800 about one case,

00:07:41.740 as I said,

00:07:43.960 judicial nominees

00:07:44.800 have taken it both ways.

00:07:46.400 They've refused

00:07:46.880 to answer any

00:07:47.640 or some have said,

00:07:49.460 yes,

00:07:49.800 Brown was rightly decided.

00:07:51.040 Personally,

00:07:51.560 my view on it

00:07:52.380 is the right way

00:07:54.040 to answer to say,

00:07:54.980 of course,

00:07:55.320 Brown was rightly decided.

00:07:56.540 Nobody disputes that.

00:07:57.700 There's no likelihood

00:07:59.020 of litigation on it.

00:08:00.280 There is no active side

00:08:01.980 before the court

00:08:02.860 challenging that.

00:08:05.360 And that is quite different

00:08:08.200 from the other examples

00:08:09.320 I gave

00:08:09.840 where there is litigation

00:08:11.640 every term

00:08:12.840 that potentially touches

00:08:14.020 on those issues.

00:08:15.000 And so,

00:08:16.440 you know,

00:08:16.700 the reporters afterwards

00:08:17.760 all rushed up to me

00:08:18.760 and they said,

00:08:19.160 okay,

00:08:19.700 did she make any commitments

00:08:21.200 to you on how

00:08:22.520 she would rule on anything?

00:08:24.520 And I was like,

00:08:25.120 well,

00:08:25.400 no,

00:08:25.780 of course not.

00:08:26.460 That would be inappropriate

00:08:27.600 for me to ask

00:08:28.560 and it would be

00:08:29.880 even more inappropriate

00:08:31.000 for her to answer me.

00:08:32.120 I wouldn't want a judge

00:08:33.380 who'd make a commitment

00:08:34.240 I'm going to rule

00:08:35.300 X way or Y way.

00:08:38.500 Please give me your vote

00:08:39.560 and I promise you

00:08:40.280 I'll rule this way.

00:08:41.340 That's not how

00:08:42.060 this is supposed to go.

00:08:43.440 But you know what?

00:08:43.920 That's how Democrats

00:08:44.600 approach it.

00:08:45.600 I mean,

00:08:46.220 they are,

00:08:47.260 they treat the court

00:08:48.580 as an arm of politics.

00:08:49.720 I'm looking for

00:08:51.700 a justice

00:08:52.420 who will follow

00:08:53.040 the law

00:08:53.500 and the Constitution.

00:08:54.680 And I think

00:08:56.320 what I was most impressed

00:08:57.260 with sitting down

00:08:58.060 with her

00:08:58.520 was her calmness

00:09:00.920 and demeanor.

00:09:02.320 I mean,

00:09:02.540 it's been,

00:09:03.900 you know,

00:09:04.180 she had a pretty quiet life

00:09:06.100 as a law professor

00:09:06.940 and appellate judge

00:09:07.960 and suddenly

00:09:09.220 she's in the middle

00:09:10.040 of this maelstrom

00:09:11.280 where this political

00:09:13.020 attack machine.

00:09:14.600 I actually advised her.

00:09:15.800 I said,

00:09:16.080 look,

00:09:16.300 they're trying to dig

00:09:17.100 everything they can

00:09:18.080 to attack you.

00:09:19.420 They're looking right now

00:09:20.920 for someone

00:09:21.900 who went to third grade

00:09:22.920 with you

00:09:23.260 that doesn't like you.

00:09:24.960 And so just be aware

00:09:26.180 and be ready

00:09:27.080 and just be calm

00:09:28.240 and deal with whatever.

00:09:31.120 Unfortunately,

00:09:33.500 you know,

00:09:33.660 I don't know if you remember

00:09:34.240 there was a guy,

00:09:35.180 Anthony Lake,

00:09:35.840 who was nominated

00:09:37.020 to a position

00:09:38.160 under Bill Clinton,

00:09:39.100 not a judicial position,

00:09:40.360 but a position

00:09:40.860 in the executive.

00:09:42.460 And he went through

00:09:43.120 a really brutal confirmation

00:09:44.820 and he described

00:09:46.280 the confirmation process

00:09:47.640 afterwards.

00:09:48.460 He said,

00:09:49.340 it is nasty

00:09:50.140 and brutish

00:09:50.900 without being short.

00:09:54.580 Which is,

00:09:55.400 of course,

00:09:56.220 you will appreciate

00:09:57.580 it as a classically

00:09:58.620 educated man.

00:09:59.640 That's a reference

00:10:00.240 to Thomas Hobbes'

00:10:01.760 Leviathan

00:10:02.320 who described,

00:10:03.460 Hobbes described

00:10:04.180 the state of nature

00:10:05.020 as nasty,

00:10:05.740 brutish,

00:10:06.000 and short

00:10:06.400 without government

00:10:08.420 stepping in

00:10:09.080 to protect people's rights.

00:10:10.600 And so that was,

00:10:11.460 he was making a pun

00:10:12.200 on that.

00:10:12.700 Well, Senator,

00:10:13.840 I think that's

00:10:15.360 excellent advice

00:10:16.300 for the judge.

00:10:17.220 I'm glad that you got

00:10:18.080 to spend that much

00:10:19.080 time with her.

00:10:20.180 But you mentioned

00:10:21.220 that there's something

00:10:21.680 strange about this

00:10:22.860 particular confirmation

00:10:24.560 process because of COVID.

00:10:26.260 Something else is strange,

00:10:27.460 too,

00:10:27.580 which is that typically

00:10:28.660 the judges meet

00:10:30.060 with a whole lot

00:10:31.140 of senators,

00:10:31.780 ideally all of the senators,

00:10:33.360 before they go

00:10:34.340 and testify.

00:10:35.540 This time,

00:10:36.680 there are a number

00:10:37.640 of Senate Democrats

00:10:38.400 who are refusing

00:10:39.700 to meet with Judge Barrett

00:10:41.020 because they're saying

00:10:41.960 that she's an

00:10:42.560 illegitimate nominee.

00:10:45.000 Well,

00:10:45.460 and it's really bizarre.

00:10:46.780 I don't know of any precedent

00:10:47.840 that that's happened.

00:10:49.300 Quite a few Democrats

00:10:50.260 have said they're not

00:10:50.980 going to talk to her,

00:10:51.640 they're not going to meet her.

00:10:53.260 There have been a handful

00:10:53.980 who are willing

00:10:54.600 to meet with her,

00:10:55.180 so I credit them

00:10:56.260 with not making

00:10:57.380 the entire process

00:10:58.820 a farce.

00:11:00.740 But it shows,

00:11:03.720 look,

00:11:04.460 the Democratic base

00:11:05.980 a week ago,

00:11:06.980 even before this vacancy,

00:11:08.420 that they were enraged.

00:11:10.280 They were furious.

00:11:12.780 They hate Trump.

00:11:13.800 Yeah.

00:11:14.520 When this vacancy happens,

00:11:17.360 you know,

00:11:17.700 it's like,

00:11:18.740 to quote the movie Spinal Tap,

00:11:20.260 suddenly it goes to 11.

00:11:21.460 Yeah.

00:11:21.980 I mean,

00:11:22.640 it's,

00:11:23.600 they're out of their minds.

00:11:24.680 And so I think Democrats

00:11:25.960 are in a hard position

00:11:27.020 because they don't really

00:11:27.920 have any criticisms

00:11:29.100 that are sticking.

00:11:31.180 They tried to paint her

00:11:32.260 as sort of a

00:11:33.380 kooky religious person.

00:11:35.300 I mean,

00:11:35.440 there were these stories

00:11:36.200 saying that like,

00:11:37.660 she's the inspiration

00:11:38.980 for The Handmaid's Tale.

00:11:40.720 I don't know if you saw,

00:11:41.720 Senator,

00:11:42.260 the article that came out

00:11:43.740 that said,

00:11:44.240 the group that Amy Barrett

00:11:46.520 is a member of

00:11:47.320 is the inspiration

00:11:48.080 for The Handmaid's Tale.

00:11:49.100 And then you look

00:11:49.620 at the bottom of the article

00:11:50.380 and there's a correction.

00:11:51.520 And it says,

00:11:51.940 oh, actually,

00:11:52.440 it was a different group.

00:11:53.600 But the rest of the article

00:11:55.040 is true.

00:11:55.380 You say,

00:11:55.580 well,

00:11:55.700 that's the whole article.

00:11:56.420 It's kind of a bizarre,

00:12:00.100 last I checked,

00:12:02.260 having a mom of seven

00:12:04.380 who is a renowned law professor

00:12:07.180 and federal judge

00:12:08.160 and about to be

00:12:08.760 Supreme Court justice

00:12:09.680 is not exactly a model

00:12:11.460 for female subjugation.

00:12:13.600 Like it's a bizarre narrative

00:12:16.260 of,

00:12:17.620 okay,

00:12:18.340 I haven't seen the show,

00:12:20.640 but that sure doesn't seem

00:12:22.000 to be what it's about

00:12:22.800 from what little I've seen.

00:12:24.600 I get,

00:12:25.320 although judges

00:12:26.300 do wear robes.

00:12:27.280 So in that respect,

00:12:28.560 it's entirely accurate.

00:12:29.800 That's what they were

00:12:30.540 talking about.

00:12:31.340 You know,

00:12:31.540 there was another attack

00:12:32.380 lobbed against her

00:12:33.200 by some other prominent leftists

00:12:35.440 on Twitter

00:12:35.940 and in other places

00:12:36.740 saying that there's no way

00:12:38.140 that she could have been

00:12:38.860 an attentive mother

00:12:39.720 because she's had

00:12:40.740 this wonderful career.

00:12:41.720 And you say,

00:12:42.100 gosh,

00:12:42.540 I can't believe feminists

00:12:43.700 are now telling women

00:12:44.700 they can't have it all.

00:12:45.880 You know,

00:12:46.040 they can't work.

00:12:47.460 Those attacks

00:12:48.060 seem to have been

00:12:48.800 really ill-advised,

00:12:50.600 the attacks on her family,

00:12:52.000 the attacks on her religion.

00:12:53.340 I know that Dick Durbin,

00:12:54.880 who is the second

00:12:55.660 most powerful Democrat

00:12:56.840 in the Senate,

00:12:57.720 Senate Minority Whip,

00:12:58.940 he went on

00:12:59.520 George Stephanopoulos' show

00:13:00.820 just a few days ago

00:13:01.780 and he said

00:13:03.060 that the Senate Democrats

00:13:04.380 can slow down the process

00:13:05.860 but they cannot stop

00:13:07.580 the confirmation

00:13:08.560 of Amy Coney Barrett.

00:13:10.580 Why is he coming out now

00:13:11.940 and just more or less

00:13:13.320 admitting defeat?

00:13:14.200 I don't remember

00:13:14.820 the Democrats doing that

00:13:16.000 during the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:13:17.820 Well,

00:13:18.520 I think he sees

00:13:19.360 a mismatch

00:13:20.000 between what their base

00:13:20.960 is demanding

00:13:21.500 and what they can do.

00:13:22.500 I believe

00:13:23.660 we've got the votes

00:13:24.480 barring some

00:13:26.100 shocking revelation

00:13:27.280 that no one's anticipating.

00:13:28.780 I think we will have

00:13:29.500 the votes

00:13:29.960 to confirm Judge Barrett

00:13:31.340 and I think it'll happen

00:13:32.800 by the end of the month.

00:13:33.580 It'll happen

00:13:33.920 before Election Day

00:13:34.840 which I think

00:13:35.540 is really important.

00:13:37.860 Durbin can count

00:13:38.640 count noses.

00:13:39.700 He can see

00:13:40.200 that they don't have

00:13:40.860 the votes.

00:13:41.340 I think he's probably

00:13:42.280 politically worried

00:13:43.500 that if their base

00:13:44.960 gets totally ginned up

00:13:46.200 and demands

00:13:46.760 you must stop this,

00:13:47.940 if we hold

00:13:51.760 on to the votes

00:13:52.660 there's not anything

00:13:54.720 they can do

00:13:55.120 to stop it.

00:13:56.140 And so I think

00:13:57.260 he's trying

00:13:57.880 to calibrate

00:13:59.220 expectations.

00:14:00.660 Now that being said

00:14:01.460 I fully expect

00:14:02.300 them to try

00:14:03.980 and engage

00:14:04.760 in a fishing expedition

00:14:05.660 and I think

00:14:06.280 we'll see some

00:14:07.280 procedural tools

00:14:09.960 to try to delay it

00:14:11.100 to force

00:14:11.660 unnecessary votes

00:14:12.960 but procedurally

00:14:14.860 and I'm spending

00:14:15.460 a lot of time

00:14:16.160 talking with

00:14:17.040 Mitch McConnell

00:14:17.860 the majority leader

00:14:18.680 with the Senate

00:14:19.420 lawyers

00:14:20.400 with my lawyers

00:14:21.220 to think through

00:14:21.960 all the procedural tools

00:14:23.280 they can try to do

00:14:24.820 to delay this

00:14:25.860 but the long

00:14:27.280 and short of it

00:14:28.020 is if the majority

00:14:29.860 stays solid

00:14:31.680 and committed

00:14:32.980 to moving forward

00:14:33.760 on this nomination

00:14:34.640 we'll get it done

00:14:36.500 and I think we will.

00:14:37.520 Well Senator

00:14:37.980 I think one of the reasons

00:14:39.460 that Dick Durbin

00:14:40.160 and the Democrats

00:14:40.760 basically are throwing

00:14:42.400 in the towel here

00:14:43.040 and they want

00:14:43.420 the confirmation process

00:14:44.360 to be shorter

00:14:44.960 is because the longer

00:14:46.060 it drags on

00:14:46.800 the more copies

00:14:47.700 of your new book

00:14:48.420 that you're going

00:14:49.000 to sell

00:14:49.400 one vote away

00:14:50.500 obviously we currently

00:14:51.280 have eight justices

00:14:52.200 on the Supreme Court

00:14:53.200 we have that one vacancy

00:14:54.200 so that one seat

00:14:55.560 that ninth seat

00:14:56.380 could be the swing vote

00:14:57.940 that could determine

00:14:58.700 how cases go

00:14:59.900 and just coincidentally

00:15:01.260 or providentially

00:15:02.100 you've got a book

00:15:03.260 that has just come out

00:15:04.400 on this topic.

00:15:05.780 Well that's right

00:15:06.720 so this is Thursday

00:15:07.660 Tuesday afternoon

00:15:08.620 that we're recording this

00:15:09.680 the debate's going to be tonight

00:15:10.960 so we're not going to talk

00:15:11.740 about the debate

00:15:12.460 on this podcast

00:15:13.260 it'll come out tomorrow

00:15:14.240 but we'll do a pod

00:15:15.540 on the debate

00:15:16.200 so I imagine

00:15:16.960 there'll be some fireworks

00:15:17.860 this evening at the debate

00:15:18.940 but today

00:15:20.180 Tuesday

00:15:21.120 the book came out

00:15:22.880 and here it is right now

00:15:24.980 it's actually

00:15:25.440 we've been talking about it

00:15:26.300 for a while

00:15:26.780 but it's out

00:15:28.040 it's we accelerated

00:15:29.280 it was actually due

00:15:30.000 to come out next week

00:15:30.940 and given the nomination

00:15:32.960 given that this fight

00:15:33.960 is front and center

00:15:34.640 we accelerated it

00:15:36.240 to move it

00:15:37.020 earlier

00:15:38.260 now as you know

00:15:40.020 I wrote this book

00:15:41.020 this spring and summer

00:15:42.680 during the COVID lockdown

00:15:43.820 I was working from home

00:15:46.000 and so I was in my living room

00:15:47.160 and sat down at the

00:15:48.220 the computer

00:15:49.260 and wrote it

00:15:49.900 and it's designed

00:15:51.020 to do really a deep dive

00:15:52.660 into the Supreme Court

00:15:54.480 into what's going on

00:15:55.760 every chapter's

00:15:56.540 on a different

00:15:56.940 constitutional right

00:15:57.860 and to tell the inside story

00:16:00.520 of what's happening

00:16:01.700 at the court

00:16:02.280 and look obviously

00:16:04.780 I didn't know

00:16:05.240 we'd be in the middle

00:16:05.900 of this fight right now

00:16:07.120 I anticipated the book

00:16:08.920 coming out in the fall

00:16:09.980 going into the presidential election

00:16:12.080 because a huge issue

00:16:13.660 in the election

00:16:14.280 is the Supreme Court

00:16:16.280 and what kind of nominees

00:16:17.300 we're going to have

00:16:18.560 well this is actually

00:16:20.180 the point Senator

00:16:20.960 that I want to hit on

00:16:22.420 because it's the thing

00:16:23.560 that was most striking

00:16:24.320 to me about the books release

00:16:25.920 you know publishers

00:16:26.520 always want to release books

00:16:28.000 when they're going to sell

00:16:28.880 the most copies

00:16:29.480 that's obvious

00:16:30.320 and it's so interesting to me

00:16:32.900 that during a presidential election

00:16:34.720 they slated a book

00:16:36.860 about the court

00:16:37.620 and this has been cropping up

00:16:39.480 in every presidential election

00:16:41.080 in my lifetime

00:16:41.680 but it seems increasingly so

00:16:43.060 that the court

00:16:44.140 seems to become

00:16:45.460 the central issue almost

00:16:47.900 and often it is

00:16:49.540 of the campaign

00:16:50.840 obviously that's true

00:16:52.180 this time

00:16:52.520 but it was true

00:16:53.360 in 2016 as well

00:16:54.500 it was

00:16:56.460 so it ended up being

00:16:57.700 the single biggest reason

00:16:58.960 that I voted

00:16:59.880 for Donald Trump

00:17:00.680 and one of the things

00:17:02.960 I talk about

00:17:03.700 in the introductions

00:17:05.160 the first chapter

00:17:05.940 of the book

00:17:06.380 goes back through

00:17:08.480 some of the details

00:17:09.300 of 2016

00:17:10.000 and we had a rollercoaster

00:17:11.820 presidential campaign

00:17:13.020 to put it mildly

00:17:14.060 and you know

00:17:16.740 Trump and I

00:17:17.540 had a good relationship

00:17:19.300 and then we beat

00:17:19.980 the living daylights

00:17:20.680 out of each other

00:17:21.300 and my campaign

00:17:25.120 won a bunch of states

00:17:26.080 but we didn't prevail

00:17:26.940 Trump prevailed

00:17:27.700 and I for the first time

00:17:30.160 really tell the story

00:17:31.400 about the convention

00:17:32.360 in Cleveland

00:17:33.000 which you'll recall

00:17:34.840 the speech I gave there

00:17:36.360 prompted booing

00:17:39.980 and angry reactions

00:17:41.360 because I didn't endorse

00:17:42.780 Trump at the time

00:17:43.660 I actually

00:17:45.800 the language I used

00:17:47.460 in that speech

00:17:48.320 was almost word for word

00:17:50.340 the language

00:17:51.680 Ronald Reagan used

00:17:52.880 about Gerald Ford

00:17:53.880 when Ford had just

00:17:55.360 beaten him in the primary

00:17:56.400 and it was almost

00:17:57.800 word for word

00:17:58.540 the language

00:17:59.080 that Ted Kennedy used

00:18:00.500 about Jimmy Carter

00:18:01.420 when Jimmy Carter

00:18:02.300 had just beaten him

00:18:03.000 in the primary

00:18:03.480 neither one of them

00:18:04.500 endorsed the person

00:18:06.260 who had prevailed

00:18:07.060 rather they laid out

00:18:09.040 a vision

00:18:09.540 they wanted the candidate

00:18:11.560 to follow

00:18:12.020 and I was really trying

00:18:12.980 to lay out a vision

00:18:13.820 for Trump

00:18:15.020 at the time

00:18:16.020 it was not clear to me

00:18:17.860 and clear to many others

00:18:18.900 whether Trump would

00:18:20.800 governors as a conservative

00:18:22.160 whether he would continue

00:18:23.060 to campaign

00:18:23.600 as a conservative

00:18:24.440 and so what I tried

00:18:25.440 to do in the speech

00:18:26.220 was to say

00:18:28.420 we should vote

00:18:29.080 for candidates

00:18:29.700 we can trust

00:18:30.640 to defend freedom

00:18:32.320 and defend the constitution

00:18:33.440 and what I describe

00:18:34.900 in the first chapter

00:18:36.620 of the book

00:18:37.180 is

00:18:37.660 much to my pleasant surprise

00:18:42.380 Trump

00:18:42.800 continued campaigning

00:18:44.080 as a conservative

00:18:44.780 after he won the nomination

00:18:46.080 many Republicans

00:18:47.840 moved to the middle

00:18:48.760 or the left

00:18:49.380 after they win the nomination

00:18:50.520 Trump did not do that

00:18:51.620 and when I decided

00:18:53.780 to endorse him

00:18:54.800 which was in September

00:18:55.600 of 2016

00:18:56.360 the Supreme Court

00:18:58.400 was front and center

00:18:59.200 in terms of why

00:19:01.000 and so

00:19:01.600 I negotiated

00:19:03.200 with the Trump campaign

00:19:04.380 and there was

00:19:05.300 an explicit

00:19:05.860 quid pro quo

00:19:06.480 there was an explicit

00:19:07.280 exchange we had

00:19:08.520 that there were

00:19:09.960 two conditions

00:19:10.640 that I wanted

00:19:11.280 number one

00:19:12.720 you remember

00:19:13.020 Trump had put out

00:19:13.780 a list of 11

00:19:14.560 potential judges

00:19:15.420 in the heat

00:19:18.180 of the campaign

00:19:18.920 but the list

00:19:20.080 was not exclusive

00:19:20.980 so he said

00:19:22.640 at the time

00:19:23.300 these 11

00:19:24.860 are the kinds

00:19:25.740 of judges

00:19:26.220 I will appoint

00:19:27.040 or anybody else

00:19:29.000 on planet Earth

00:19:29.700 right

00:19:30.060 I'll endorse

00:19:30.800 someone like

00:19:31.880 so and so

00:19:32.540 but it could be

00:19:32.980 anybody else

00:19:33.820 and so I was

00:19:35.140 very concerned

00:19:35.780 about that

00:19:36.260 I wanted

00:19:36.820 greater certainty

00:19:37.640 the Scalia vacancy

00:19:39.000 was front and center

00:19:41.100 and so

00:19:41.740 so the conditions

00:19:42.600 that I negotiated

00:19:43.380 with the Trump team

00:19:44.180 are that he put out

00:19:45.440 an explicit list

00:19:46.520 and bind himself

00:19:47.880 to it

00:19:48.340 explicitly commit

00:19:49.480 these names

00:19:50.740 and only these names

00:19:52.300 will be the pool

00:19:53.040 that we will use

00:19:54.580 and also

00:19:55.900 that he add

00:19:56.960 Senator Mike Lee

00:19:57.780 to the list

00:19:58.260 I still think

00:19:59.180 Mike Lee

00:19:59.580 would be the best

00:20:00.160 nominee

00:20:00.560 had I won

00:20:01.500 Mike Lee

00:20:02.020 is who I would

00:20:02.580 have nominated

00:20:03.100 and the Trump

00:20:04.780 campaign agreed

00:20:05.440 to both

00:20:05.840 so they put out

00:20:06.860 a new list

00:20:07.420 it's when it went

00:20:08.000 from 11 to 21

00:20:09.060 they added 10 names

00:20:10.480 Mike Lee

00:20:11.420 was one of them

00:20:12.020 and they put out

00:20:13.240 in writing

00:20:13.720 these 21

00:20:14.600 are the only people

00:20:16.100 from whom

00:20:16.720 Scalia's choice

00:20:17.640 will come

00:20:18.400 they put it out

00:20:20.480 and within minutes

00:20:21.480 I endorsed

00:20:21.980 so we coordinated

00:20:22.860 those two announcements

00:20:23.840 simultaneously

00:20:24.820 I think there was

00:20:25.840 a lot of information

00:20:27.420 and misinformation

00:20:27.900 going around

00:20:28.820 at the time

00:20:29.740 you were criticized

00:20:31.240 because you did not

00:20:33.400 come out

00:20:33.780 and explicitly endorse

00:20:34.740 at the convention

00:20:35.420 and we were told

00:20:36.880 you didn't endorse

00:20:37.420 at the convention

00:20:37.880 like Ronald Reagan

00:20:39.180 endorsed Gerald Ford

00:20:40.880 and I guess

00:20:41.900 in the popular imagination

00:20:42.980 I thought so

00:20:44.060 I thought Reagan

00:20:44.580 had endorsed Ford

00:20:45.220 then you look

00:20:45.860 through the speech

00:20:46.380 and you say

00:20:46.760 he didn't do it

00:20:47.920 and so at that time

00:20:49.440 it was being covered

00:20:51.340 as though

00:20:51.760 this was a huge insult

00:20:52.820 to Trump

00:20:53.220 and it was totally

00:20:53.800 breaking with precedent

00:20:54.680 but then what you're saying

00:20:55.860 is behind the scenes

00:20:57.200 you're talking

00:20:58.540 to the campaign

00:20:59.340 and you're saying

00:21:00.380 look I'm willing

00:21:01.000 to endorse

00:21:01.440 as long as you

00:21:02.720 agree to certain

00:21:04.240 political promises

00:21:05.680 here

00:21:05.980 political meaning

00:21:06.860 you're going to

00:21:07.540 govern as a conservative

00:21:08.460 and all of it

00:21:09.580 I mean this is probably

00:21:10.400 the most interesting

00:21:10.900 thing of all

00:21:11.440 all of it's about

00:21:12.740 the court

00:21:13.160 the book begins

00:21:14.380 the day Scalia died

00:21:16.580 which happened

00:21:17.540 to be the day

00:21:18.740 of the South Carolina

00:21:20.280 presidential debate

00:21:21.200 in 2016

00:21:21.800 so I was actually

00:21:23.220 huddled

00:21:23.760 in a conference room

00:21:25.320 prepping for the debate

00:21:26.320 and

00:21:26.760 and

00:21:27.360 my body guy

00:21:29.840 comes in

00:21:30.580 and interrupts us

00:21:32.260 and says

00:21:32.540 hey hey

00:21:32.920 you heard about the thing

00:21:33.780 and we're like

00:21:35.040 what thing

00:21:35.440 and he goes

00:21:35.720 the Scalia thing

00:21:36.900 what Scalia thing

00:21:38.680 oh no

00:21:39.220 he goes oh

00:21:39.640 he died

00:21:40.640 and we're just like

00:21:42.160 what

00:21:42.720 and what had

00:21:44.320 happened

00:21:44.840 so

00:21:45.480 Scalia was a

00:21:46.940 hunting lodge

00:21:47.580 in West Texas

00:21:48.360 and the sheriff's

00:21:49.660 office found him

00:21:50.540 dead in his bed

00:21:51.360 and so the West Texas

00:21:53.160 sheriff had called me

00:21:54.560 and had called

00:21:55.620 John Cornyn

00:21:56.280 so the two Texas

00:21:57.040 senators

00:21:57.400 we both got calls

00:21:58.420 from the sheriff

00:21:59.380 saying we just

00:22:00.080 found Justice Scalia

00:22:00.940 dead

00:22:01.380 so when I found

00:22:02.760 out about it

00:22:03.400 it was a couple

00:22:03.960 hours before

00:22:04.600 the news broke

00:22:05.320 and so that

00:22:07.240 totally

00:22:08.180 our debate

00:22:08.840 preparation

00:22:09.460 all shifted over

00:22:10.600 to what to do

00:22:11.400 about the Scalia

00:22:12.060 vacancy

00:22:12.600 and I wrote

00:22:14.160 a statement

00:22:14.700 calling on the

00:22:15.900 Senate to keep

00:22:16.780 this seat open

00:22:17.920 not to consider

00:22:20.300 a nominee

00:22:20.800 and let the

00:22:21.460 voters decide

00:22:22.280 and the instant

00:22:23.080 the news broke

00:22:23.780 publicly

00:22:24.160 I didn't want

00:22:24.500 to break the news

00:22:25.180 but once it was

00:22:25.800 public

00:22:26.120 I put the

00:22:27.020 statement out

00:22:27.500 instantaneously

00:22:28.280 and you may

00:22:29.900 remember shortly

00:22:30.620 thereafter

00:22:31.160 a number of

00:22:32.760 other Republicans

00:22:33.420 followed suit

00:22:34.200 Mitch McConnell

00:22:34.900 Chuck Grassley

00:22:35.820 and one of the

00:22:37.320 things I describe

00:22:38.080 in the book

00:22:38.600 is that

00:22:39.440 Mitch McConnell's

00:22:40.580 former chief of

00:22:41.260 staff

00:22:41.740 later told

00:22:43.060 a New York

00:22:43.560 Times reporter

00:22:44.440 that one of

00:22:45.660 the reasons

00:22:46.080 Mitch jumped

00:22:46.700 out early

00:22:47.220 and said

00:22:47.580 we're not

00:22:48.000 going to

00:22:48.200 take up

00:22:48.520 this nominee

00:22:49.040 is he knew

00:22:50.560 at the debate

00:22:51.180 that evening

00:22:51.820 I would call

00:22:52.860 for keeping

00:22:53.340 the seat

00:22:53.820 open

00:22:54.480 and he didn't

00:22:55.820 want to be

00:22:56.260 seen as

00:22:56.740 following my

00:22:57.360 lead

00:22:57.700 so he

00:22:58.240 so my view

00:22:59.240 is look

00:22:59.460 I don't care

00:22:59.960 why you did

00:23:00.480 it if you

00:23:00.780 did the right

00:23:01.260 thing

00:23:01.560 great

00:23:01.880 hallelujah

00:23:02.440 I will cheer

00:23:03.120 you on

00:23:03.640 and sing

00:23:04.260 your praises

00:23:04.880 of course

00:23:05.620 but it's

00:23:06.060 remarkable

00:23:06.640 we held

00:23:07.180 the conference

00:23:07.680 together

00:23:08.040 in 16

00:23:08.640 and filling

00:23:10.360 that Scalia

00:23:10.980 vacancy

00:23:11.580 then became

00:23:12.520 for me

00:23:13.860 the number

00:23:14.260 one reason

00:23:14.800 I voted

00:23:15.180 for Trump

00:23:15.660 over Hillary

00:23:16.500 and I think

00:23:16.900 it's the reason

00:23:17.300 he got elected

00:23:17.820 I think

00:23:18.140 there are

00:23:18.460 many many

00:23:19.040 more Americans

00:23:19.680 like me

00:23:20.120 that that was

00:23:20.660 the biggest

00:23:21.160 single reason

00:23:21.940 to vote for

00:23:22.420 it was an

00:23:23.200 earth shattering

00:23:23.880 moment

00:23:24.340 when Justice

00:23:25.120 Scalia died

00:23:25.820 I remember

00:23:26.300 I think it was

00:23:26.980 on Valentine's

00:23:27.880 Day

00:23:27.980 or it was

00:23:28.280 near Valentine's

00:23:29.240 Day

00:23:29.440 and I was

00:23:30.440 February

00:23:30.960 it was in

00:23:32.000 February

00:23:32.460 so sometime

00:23:33.100 around there

00:23:33.440 I just remember

00:23:33.960 I was going

00:23:34.460 to go out

00:23:35.040 to a romantic

00:23:35.800 dinner

00:23:36.120 with my wife

00:23:37.100 and right

00:23:37.440 before we

00:23:37.840 went out

00:23:38.260 I got

00:23:39.360 the news

00:23:39.800 and it

00:23:40.760 really put

00:23:41.240 the kibosh

00:23:41.820 on the

00:23:42.420 romantic

00:23:42.880 flavor

00:23:43.880 of the

00:23:44.360 evening

00:23:44.660 because it

00:23:46.340 occurred to me

00:23:46.980 this was

00:23:47.400 the most

00:23:48.160 significant

00:23:48.720 thing

00:23:49.240 that could

00:23:50.020 happen

00:23:50.460 in that

00:23:51.240 presidential

00:23:51.760 race

00:23:52.320 and I

00:23:54.320 also had

00:23:54.960 absolutely

00:23:55.580 no faith

00:23:56.120 that the

00:23:56.640 Senate

00:23:56.780 was going

00:23:57.160 to be able

00:23:57.480 to hold

00:23:57.740 that seat

00:23:58.140 open

00:23:58.460 very interesting

00:23:59.480 to hear

00:23:59.800 behind the

00:24:00.220 scenes

00:24:00.380 what was

00:24:00.700 going on

00:24:01.260 and it's

00:24:02.460 almost eerie

00:24:03.760 that a

00:24:04.800 similar

00:24:05.060 situation

00:24:05.660 obviously

00:24:06.100 with a

00:24:06.580 justice

00:24:07.160 from the

00:24:07.780 other side

00:24:08.240 of the

00:24:08.400 political

00:24:08.620 spectrum

00:24:09.000 but that

00:24:09.720 a totally

00:24:10.560 analogous

00:24:11.120 situation

00:24:11.820 is happening

00:24:12.780 again

00:24:13.200 this time

00:24:13.820 around

00:24:14.120 it's

00:24:15.100 really

00:24:15.360 the stakes

00:24:16.420 of the

00:24:16.780 election

00:24:17.200 and I

00:24:18.060 will say

00:24:18.540 on this

00:24:18.960 book

00:24:19.280 I put

00:24:20.500 a lot

00:24:20.740 of time

00:24:21.040 into this

00:24:21.380 book

00:24:21.620 and it

00:24:23.140 really

00:24:23.420 tries to

00:24:23.980 tell

00:24:24.400 what's

00:24:25.540 going

00:24:25.800 on

00:24:26.100 you don't

00:24:26.440 have to

00:24:26.600 be a

00:24:26.820 lawyer

00:24:27.040 to enjoy

00:24:28.080 this

00:24:28.360 book

00:24:28.600 I wrote

00:24:29.560 it

00:24:29.780 actually

00:24:30.520 in the

00:24:30.760 same

00:24:30.940 spirit

00:24:31.340 as we

00:24:31.640 do

00:24:31.780 the

00:24:31.900 verdict

00:24:32.100 podcast

00:24:32.660 trying

00:24:33.100 to

00:24:33.600 assess

00:24:34.460 complicated

00:24:35.700 issues

00:24:36.160 issues

00:24:36.460 that

00:24:36.760 matter

00:24:37.140 but

00:24:37.340 trying

00:24:37.640 to

00:24:37.820 explain

00:24:38.260 them

00:24:38.600 giving

00:24:39.520 the

00:24:39.920 inside

00:24:40.480 insight

00:24:41.060 and

00:24:41.300 so

00:24:42.020 let me

00:24:42.280 just

00:24:42.480 say

00:24:42.680 to

00:24:42.820 everyone

00:24:43.300 who

00:24:43.800 has

00:24:44.680 so

00:24:44.960 regularly

00:24:45.380 listened

00:24:45.780 to this

00:24:46.100 podcast

00:24:46.480 downloaded

00:24:47.080 this

00:24:47.360 podcast

00:24:47.780 I want

00:24:49.340 to ask

00:24:49.660 you to

00:24:49.880 please

00:24:50.240 go

00:24:50.680 go to

00:24:51.100 Amazon

00:24:51.420 go to

00:24:51.860 Barnes

00:24:52.120 and Noble

00:24:52.440 go anywhere

00:24:52.820 you get

00:24:53.140 books

00:24:53.520 but buy

00:24:54.380 a copy

00:24:54.760 of this

00:24:55.000 book

00:24:55.280 it

00:24:56.560 is

00:24:57.480 it's

00:24:58.660 significant

00:24:59.300 the

00:25:00.720 information

00:25:01.380 in this

00:25:01.940 book

00:25:02.220 I think

00:25:03.000 will be

00:25:03.620 really

00:25:03.900 helpful

00:25:04.240 to you

00:25:04.780 as you're

00:25:05.220 talking

00:25:05.560 to your

00:25:05.920 friends

00:25:06.240 right now

00:25:06.860 about

00:25:07.900 this

00:25:09.040 nomination

00:25:09.600 about the

00:25:10.160 fight over

00:25:10.820 Judge Barrett

00:25:11.800 about the

00:25:12.280 fight at the

00:25:12.820 Supreme Court

00:25:13.440 about the

00:25:13.860 election

00:25:14.340 in 2020

00:25:16.880 I think

00:25:18.440 the book

00:25:18.880 will arm

00:25:19.720 you with

00:25:20.700 information

00:25:21.540 that most

00:25:22.160 people don't

00:25:22.680 know

00:25:22.940 most people

00:25:23.720 don't realize

00:25:24.660 just how

00:25:25.420 broad

00:25:26.120 the implications

00:25:27.460 are for the

00:25:28.120 Supreme Court

00:25:28.600 and the

00:25:28.780 presidential election

00:25:29.580 and so

00:25:30.140 I think

00:25:31.520 this book

00:25:32.040 will be

00:25:32.360 a really

00:25:32.880 helpful

00:25:33.220 tool

00:25:33.660 and it'll

00:25:34.160 be really

00:25:34.480 beneficial

00:25:34.960 well

00:25:35.580 Senator

00:25:35.920 I intend

00:25:36.780 no flattery

00:25:37.740 here

00:25:38.000 this is

00:25:38.460 totally

00:25:38.900 unprompted

00:25:39.960 but I am

00:25:40.380 reading the

00:25:40.760 book right

00:25:41.140 now

00:25:41.360 and I'm

00:25:42.020 really enjoying

00:25:42.440 it

00:25:42.560 I recommend

00:25:43.260 people buy

00:25:43.920 it

00:25:44.140 mostly

00:25:45.000 because

00:25:45.760 it's a

00:25:47.060 real book

00:25:47.640 it's an

00:25:48.020 actual book

00:25:48.620 that gives

00:25:48.960 you information

00:25:49.560 and I

00:25:50.280 hate to

00:25:50.940 criticize

00:25:51.320 you know

00:25:52.060 some of

00:25:52.340 your

00:25:52.460 colleagues

00:25:52.780 and other

00:25:53.380 politicians

00:25:53.900 but usually

00:25:54.900 politician

00:25:55.480 books are

00:25:56.040 something to

00:25:56.440 the effect

00:25:56.760 of the

00:25:57.460 courage

00:25:57.960 to be

00:25:58.480 American

00:25:59.140 the dreams

00:26:00.280 and hopes

00:26:00.920 of saluting

00:26:02.180 American

00:26:02.960 and America

00:26:03.620 and it's

00:26:04.020 just like

00:26:04.460 they're not

00:26:04.740 that great

00:26:05.060 and this

00:26:05.740 one is

00:26:06.020 really great

00:26:06.460 because you're

00:26:07.120 focusing on

00:26:08.100 pivotal cases

00:26:09.540 that really

00:26:10.640 changed the

00:26:11.480 course of

00:26:11.820 history

00:26:12.120 and coincidentally

00:26:13.200 they're cases

00:26:13.680 that you have

00:26:14.440 a personal

00:26:14.900 insight into

00:26:15.500 so just

00:26:16.220 totally

00:26:16.740 unsolicited

00:26:17.580 plug

00:26:17.880 I'm really

00:26:18.820 enjoying it

00:26:19.380 and by the

00:26:19.900 way if you

00:26:20.240 get a chance

00:26:20.740 to go on

00:26:21.180 Amazon

00:26:21.460 and put a

00:26:21.960 positive

00:26:22.260 review

00:26:22.720 we've got

00:26:23.200 some lefties

00:26:23.820 going on

00:26:24.360 right now

00:26:24.920 that are

00:26:25.320 that are

00:26:26.120 blasting it

00:26:26.780 which is

00:26:27.260 you know

00:26:27.540 what they do

00:26:28.080 but it would

00:26:28.680 be nice

00:26:29.100 to read

00:26:29.760 the book

00:26:30.020 first

00:26:30.340 and then

00:26:30.640 put a

00:26:30.880 positive

00:26:31.140 review

00:26:31.460 but that

00:26:31.760 would be

00:26:31.980 helpful

00:26:32.480 if you

00:26:33.300 like it

00:26:33.680 that's

00:26:34.100 right

00:26:34.300 I swiped

00:26:34.980 a copy

00:26:35.340 obviously

00:26:35.780 from the

00:26:36.300 verdict

00:26:36.580 studio

00:26:36.960 I swiped

00:26:37.520 the single

00:26:37.940 copy

00:26:38.260 but now

00:26:38.800 that I'm

00:26:39.060 reading it

00:26:39.440 and I know

00:26:39.720 it's a good

00:26:40.080 book

00:26:40.340 I would

00:26:41.340 pay for it

00:26:42.320 you know

00:26:42.500 I'm a fiscal

00:26:42.920 conservative

00:26:43.360 so I'd

00:26:43.720 swipe it

00:26:44.020 but I would

00:26:44.680 I would

00:26:45.220 pay for it

00:26:45.560 and I encourage

00:26:45.920 all the other

00:26:46.400 other people

00:26:47.260 who are listening

00:26:47.860 right now

00:26:48.360 I encourage

00:26:48.960 you to read

00:26:49.260 it as well

00:26:49.620 we've got to

00:26:50.180 get to a

00:26:50.480 little bit

00:26:50.740 of mailbag

00:26:51.260 speaking

00:26:51.720 of those

00:26:52.520 people

00:26:52.760 who are

00:26:52.980 listening

00:26:53.260 right now

00:26:53.680 we have

00:26:54.160 some excellent

00:26:54.660 questions

00:26:55.040 this week

00:26:55.500 first one

00:26:56.400 is from

00:26:57.360 John

00:26:58.340 do you

00:26:59.400 think

00:26:59.720 the Supreme

00:27:00.100 Court

00:27:00.300 hearings

00:27:00.580 will help

00:27:01.220 Trump's

00:27:01.620 electoral

00:27:01.860 chances

00:27:02.260 like the

00:27:02.660 Kavanaugh

00:27:02.940 hearings

00:27:03.240 did

00:27:03.540 or do you

00:27:04.440 think

00:27:04.700 it could

00:27:05.160 backfire

00:27:05.800 and help

00:27:06.680 the Democrats

00:27:07.340 I think

00:27:09.820 it will help

00:27:10.180 Trump

00:27:10.420 significantly

00:27:11.060 I think

00:27:13.100 it will

00:27:13.320 energize

00:27:13.760 both sides

00:27:14.280 bases

00:27:14.680 so the

00:27:15.880 left

00:27:16.240 is even

00:27:16.840 more ticked

00:27:17.440 off

00:27:17.640 than they

00:27:17.900 were before

00:27:18.440 but to be

00:27:18.900 honest

00:27:19.140 they were

00:27:19.460 already

00:27:19.800 so mad

00:27:20.600 that the

00:27:21.360 left

00:27:21.540 is showing

00:27:21.980 up

00:27:22.220 they hate

00:27:22.640 Trump

00:27:23.020 they're going

00:27:23.740 to show

00:27:24.020 up even

00:27:24.420 angrier

00:27:24.900 but I

00:27:25.500 don't think

00:27:25.920 it moves

00:27:26.820 the needle

00:27:27.240 substantially

00:27:27.840 on the

00:27:28.200 left

00:27:28.400 because they

00:27:28.880 were already

00:27:29.340 maxed out

00:27:30.040 on the

00:27:31.140 right

00:27:31.360 I think

00:27:31.720 it energizes

00:27:32.520 just like

00:27:33.000 the Kavanaugh

00:27:33.560 hearings

00:27:34.520 did I

00:27:34.860 think it

00:27:35.160 energizes

00:27:35.780 conservatives

00:27:36.460 it energizes

00:27:37.280 people who

00:27:37.800 care about

00:27:38.100 the Constitution

00:27:38.680 I also

00:27:39.880 think the

00:27:40.220 Democrats

00:27:40.580 are going

00:27:40.820 to overplay

00:27:41.260 their hands

00:27:41.740 I think

00:27:42.300 they're going

00:27:42.580 to be

00:27:42.780 jerks

00:27:43.220 I think

00:27:44.540 they're going

00:27:45.040 to unfortunately

00:27:46.320 mistreat

00:27:47.000 Judge Barrett

00:27:47.640 and I think

00:27:48.300 that has a

00:27:48.800 real risk

00:27:49.380 of backfiring

00:27:50.100 to them

00:27:50.480 I think

00:27:50.780 their base

00:27:51.400 is demanding

00:27:52.140 of the

00:27:53.520 Democrats

00:27:53.980 that they

00:27:54.240 behave in

00:27:54.660 a way

00:27:54.980 that frankly

00:27:55.840 is not

00:27:56.380 a great

00:27:56.680 way to

00:27:56.960 behave

00:27:57.340 just days

00:27:58.960 or weeks

00:27:59.400 before an

00:27:59.860 election

00:28:00.160 I think

00:28:00.880 that's right

00:28:01.320 I think

00:28:01.660 the smarter

00:28:02.860 Democrats

00:28:03.500 the ones

00:28:03.880 with the

00:28:04.160 cooler heads

00:28:04.740 are saying

00:28:05.120 guys

00:28:05.520 cut it

00:28:06.140 out

00:28:06.360 with the

00:28:06.680 attacks

00:28:07.060 on the

00:28:07.360 religion

00:28:07.720 and the

00:28:08.040 family

00:28:08.420 but

00:28:08.960 unfortunately

00:28:09.540 for them

00:28:10.820 I guess

00:28:11.080 fortunately

00:28:11.480 for Republicans

00:28:12.380 they haven't

00:28:13.640 been resisting

00:28:14.120 it very much

00:28:14.640 next question

00:28:15.540 I kid you

00:28:16.060 not

00:28:16.280 this is

00:28:16.880 the Twitter

00:28:17.240 username

00:28:17.800 comes from

00:28:18.740 Verdict

00:28:19.680 Sir Knowles

00:28:20.820 CBE

00:28:21.740 I guess

00:28:22.220 that's

00:28:22.440 commander

00:28:22.740 of the

00:28:23.020 British

00:28:23.240 Empire

00:28:23.620 not

00:28:24.620 not my

00:28:25.260 account

00:28:25.580 that's

00:28:25.880 not my

00:28:26.240 Pierre

00:28:26.440 Delecto

00:28:26.880 account

00:28:27.180 but it

00:28:27.640 is someone

00:28:28.040 who I

00:28:28.320 imagine

00:28:28.580 listens to

00:28:28.960 the show

00:28:29.240 asks

00:28:29.740 hypothetically

00:28:30.900 what

00:28:31.680 what would

00:28:31.860 happen

00:28:32.160 if we

00:28:32.700 inaugurated

00:28:33.540 the winner

00:28:33.920 of the

00:28:34.180 election

00:28:34.540 and then

00:28:35.580 we found

00:28:36.300 mail-in

00:28:36.840 ballots

00:28:37.200 that would

00:28:37.840 have made

00:28:38.140 the other

00:28:38.460 person

00:28:38.840 win

00:28:39.140 instead

00:28:39.620 this person

00:28:40.300 is probably

00:28:40.600 alluding to

00:28:41.200 recently

00:28:41.780 there have

00:28:42.060 been stories

00:28:42.480 of boxes

00:28:43.400 of ballots

00:28:44.220 being found

00:28:45.180 in ditches

00:28:45.900 or mislabeled

00:28:47.300 in other

00:28:47.600 rooms

00:28:47.980 what happens

00:28:48.920 if we

00:28:49.320 a few months

00:28:49.980 after the

00:28:50.320 election

00:28:50.600 find out

00:28:51.080 that the

00:28:51.320 wrong guy

00:28:51.680 won

00:28:52.000 so at

00:28:54.220 some point

00:28:54.760 the election

00:28:55.300 is final

00:28:55.940 and you

00:28:56.360 can't undo

00:28:56.980 it

00:28:57.240 and once

00:28:58.380 the electors

00:28:59.420 have cast

00:28:59.840 their ballots

00:29:00.480 if there's

00:29:01.740 uncertainty

00:29:02.300 under the

00:29:02.820 constitution

00:29:03.360 it goes

00:29:03.900 to the

00:29:04.180 house

00:29:04.380 and senate

00:29:04.780 the house

00:29:05.140 selects

00:29:05.520 the president

00:29:05.960 the senate

00:29:06.380 selects

00:29:06.820 the vice

00:29:07.120 president

00:29:07.560 once you

00:29:08.840 have

00:29:09.020 inauguration

00:29:09.720 once you

00:29:10.200 have the

00:29:10.620 president

00:29:11.120 sworn in

00:29:11.740 and the

00:29:11.980 vice

00:29:12.180 president

00:29:12.540 sworn in

00:29:13.300 if the

00:29:14.900 we've never

00:29:15.600 seen the

00:29:16.240 election

00:29:16.600 challenged

00:29:17.180 after the

00:29:17.740 fact

00:29:18.040 so we

00:29:18.380 would truly

00:29:18.960 be in

00:29:19.680 uncharted

00:29:21.380 territory

00:29:21.980 we've seen

00:29:22.520 disputed

00:29:23.000 elections

00:29:23.420 that

00:29:23.820 have gone

00:29:25.480 up to

00:29:25.760 inauguration

00:29:26.380 day

00:29:26.700 but not

00:29:27.080 afterwards

00:29:27.680 look the

00:29:30.520 remedy

00:29:30.860 at that

00:29:31.400 point

00:29:31.920 could

00:29:32.780 conceivably

00:29:33.440 be

00:29:33.800 impeachment

00:29:34.420 although

00:29:34.720 even

00:29:34.980 impeachment

00:29:35.420 doesn't

00:29:35.880 allow

00:29:36.160 a

00:29:36.340 mechanism

00:29:36.740 for

00:29:37.240 putting

00:29:38.600 the

00:29:38.780 other

00:29:38.940 party

00:29:39.280 in

00:29:39.560 and

00:29:39.880 so

00:29:40.280 at

00:29:40.460 some

00:29:40.760 point

00:29:41.080 there

00:29:41.320 is

00:29:41.540 finality

00:29:42.180 and

00:29:42.400 a

00:29:42.520 decision

00:29:43.060 even

00:29:44.620 if

00:29:45.260 after

00:29:45.740 the

00:29:45.920 fact

00:29:46.200 someone

00:29:46.500 raises

00:29:46.840 another

00:29:47.140 charge

00:29:47.500 that

00:29:48.380 being

00:29:48.620 said

00:29:48.880 we

00:29:49.060 could

00:29:49.220 get

00:29:49.400 into

00:29:49.580 some

00:29:49.780 of

00:29:49.860 this

00:29:49.980 chaos

00:29:50.380 this

00:29:50.640 election

00:29:51.060 I'm

00:29:51.640 really

00:29:52.060 worried

00:29:52.580 we will

00:29:54.840 have an

00:29:55.120 extended

00:29:55.480 period

00:29:55.880 of

00:29:56.060 litigation

00:29:56.360 and

00:29:56.760 uncertainty

00:29:57.320 after

00:29:58.240 election

00:29:58.620 day

00:29:58.900 next

00:30:00.040 question

00:30:00.540 on that

00:30:01.360 on that

00:30:01.800 happy

00:30:02.120 note

00:30:02.420 the

00:30:03.020 constitutional

00:30:03.640 crisis

00:30:04.080 we're

00:30:04.520 moving

00:30:04.760 into

00:30:05.060 this is

00:30:06.060 from

00:30:06.380 SL

00:30:06.860 this is

00:30:07.440 totally

00:30:07.820 off

00:30:08.140 topic

00:30:08.420 from what

00:30:08.740 we've

00:30:08.900 been

00:30:09.000 talking

00:30:09.260 about

00:30:09.440 but I

00:30:09.680 think

00:30:09.840 a lot

00:30:10.100 of

00:30:10.220 people

00:30:10.440 are

00:30:10.860 curious

00:30:11.180 about

00:30:11.440 it

00:30:11.660 can

00:30:12.120 can

00:30:12.140 someone

00:30:12.420 please

00:30:12.760 explain

00:30:13.380 the

00:30:13.780 New

00:30:14.060 York

00:30:14.280 Times

00:30:14.580 Trump

00:30:14.900 tax

00:30:15.260 piece

00:30:15.560 to

00:30:15.760 an

00:30:15.940 elementary

00:30:16.340 school

00:30:16.740 age

00:30:16.980 child

00:30:17.400 because

00:30:18.020 apparently

00:30:18.440 it's

00:30:18.680 too

00:30:18.840 complicated

00:30:19.400 for

00:30:19.920 seemingly

00:30:20.320 educated

00:30:20.960 adults

00:30:21.420 to

00:30:21.600 understand

00:30:22.180 do you

00:30:22.700 have a

00:30:23.040 sort

00:30:23.240 of

00:30:23.360 top

00:30:23.860 level

00:30:24.120 take

00:30:24.420 on

00:30:24.620 this

00:30:24.860 of

00:30:25.020 what

00:30:25.160 it's

00:30:25.500 all

00:30:25.640 supposed

00:30:25.820 to

00:30:25.980 mean

00:30:26.140 or

00:30:26.240 if

00:30:26.360 we're

00:30:26.460 all

00:30:26.560 supposed

00:30:26.740 to

00:30:26.880 care

00:30:27.060 so

00:30:28.360 it's

00:30:28.860 actually

00:30:29.260 hard

00:30:29.920 to

00:30:30.340 know

00:30:30.800 the

00:30:31.080 facts

00:30:31.540 because

00:30:32.040 of what

00:30:32.420 the

00:30:32.560 New

00:30:32.680 York

00:30:32.860 Times

00:30:33.160 has

00:30:33.360 done

00:30:33.640 they

00:30:35.040 allege

00:30:35.480 they

00:30:35.680 have

00:30:35.900 is

00:30:36.020 tax

00:30:36.320 returns

00:30:36.680 but

00:30:36.860 they

00:30:36.980 haven't

00:30:37.180 actually

00:30:37.440 released

00:30:37.840 the

00:30:38.000 underlying

00:30:38.320 documents

00:30:38.840 so

00:30:39.060 we

00:30:39.200 don't

00:30:39.360 know

00:30:39.560 what

00:30:39.700 the

00:30:39.840 tax

00:30:40.080 returns

00:30:40.440 say

00:30:40.740 all

00:30:41.860 we

00:30:42.120 have

00:30:42.580 is

00:30:42.800 what

00:30:43.180 the

00:30:43.360 New

00:30:43.480 York

00:30:43.680 Times

00:30:44.040 characterizes

00:30:44.920 them

00:30:45.180 as

00:30:45.340 saying

00:30:45.560 I

00:30:47.160 don't

00:30:47.340 think

00:30:47.520 it's

00:30:47.720 crazy

00:30:48.100 to

00:30:48.340 say

00:30:48.620 that

00:30:48.800 the

00:30:48.960 Times

00:30:49.440 is

00:30:49.700 not

00:30:50.060 an

00:30:50.340 impartial

00:30:51.040 arbiter

00:30:51.600 diplomatically

00:30:53.240 put

00:30:53.560 they're

00:30:54.340 not

00:30:54.620 neutral

00:30:55.280 on

00:30:55.760 what

00:30:55.940 they

00:30:56.100 think

00:30:56.340 about

00:30:56.600 Trump

00:30:56.960 we

00:30:58.280 do

00:30:58.560 know

00:30:58.880 that

00:30:59.100 whoever

00:30:59.340 gave

00:30:59.780 them

00:30:59.980 to

00:31:00.140 the

00:31:00.300 Times

00:31:00.760 likely

00:31:05.680 without

00:31:05.800 authorization

00:31:06.480 someone

00:31:06.820 else's

00:31:07.160 tax

00:31:07.440 returns

00:31:07.880 but

00:31:10.080 so

00:31:10.900 the

00:31:11.180 sort

00:31:11.540 of

00:31:11.680 headline

00:31:12.340 news

00:31:12.940 of

00:31:13.180 Trump

00:31:13.580 only

00:31:14.240 paid

00:31:14.540 $750

00:31:15.220 taxes

00:31:16.040 in

00:31:16.460 I

00:31:16.660 guess

00:31:16.840 2016

00:31:18.220 or

00:31:18.520 17

00:31:18.920 it's

00:31:20.460 difficult

00:31:20.780 to tell

00:31:21.340 without

00:31:21.640 knowing

00:31:22.000 the rest

00:31:22.360 of the

00:31:22.600 tax

00:31:22.860 returns

00:31:23.320 I

00:31:23.480 mean

00:31:23.600 you

00:31:23.760 often

00:31:24.140 have

00:31:24.700 big

00:31:25.720 sophisticated

00:31:26.260 business

00:31:26.780 people

00:31:27.200 that

00:31:27.520 if

00:31:28.600 you

00:31:28.740 have

00:31:28.880 losses

00:31:29.300 you

00:31:29.480 can

00:31:29.600 carry

00:31:29.800 losses

00:31:30.200 over

00:31:30.460 to

00:31:30.600 another

00:31:30.800 year

00:31:31.160 if

00:31:31.340 you're

00:31:31.420 in

00:31:31.500 the

00:31:31.600 real

00:31:31.760 estate

00:31:32.060 business

00:31:32.400 you're

00:31:32.640 taking

00:31:32.880 depreciation

00:31:33.860 you

00:31:35.120 know

00:31:35.260 Amazon

00:31:35.760 has

00:31:36.240 years

00:31:36.520 when

00:31:36.720 it

00:31:36.820 didn't

00:31:37.020 pay

00:31:37.180 any

00:31:37.360 taxes

00:31:37.720 at

00:31:37.960 all

00:31:38.220 that

00:31:38.380 are

00:31:38.500 you

00:31:38.620 know

00:31:38.700 multi

00:31:39.220 billion

00:31:39.700 dollar

00:31:40.040 corporations

00:31:40.720 you

00:31:41.820 know

00:31:41.900 I

00:31:42.060 actually

00:31:42.340 went

00:31:42.560 yesterday

00:31:42.960 on

00:31:43.180 The

00:31:43.300 View

00:31:43.520 and

00:31:43.760 The

00:31:43.920 View

00:31:44.260 by

00:31:44.880 the

00:31:45.000 way

00:31:45.160 pretty

00:31:45.420 surreal

00:31:45.900 place

00:31:46.340 to

00:31:46.560 find

00:31:47.280 a

00:31:47.540 conservative

00:31:47.900 Republican

00:31:48.440 but

00:31:50.340 they

00:31:50.680 were

00:31:50.940 truly

00:31:51.620 foaming

00:31:52.320 at the

00:31:52.560 mouth

00:31:52.860 over

00:31:53.240 the

00:31:53.560 tax

00:31:54.300 issue

00:31:54.980 and

00:31:56.140 I

00:31:56.280 said

00:31:56.540 listen

00:31:56.840 it's

00:31:57.160 actually

00:31:57.760 unfortunately

00:31:58.660 a feature

00:31:59.380 of our

00:32:00.500 tax

00:32:02.120 code

00:32:02.440 that

00:32:02.640 people

00:32:03.100 who

00:32:03.240 are

00:32:03.340 very

00:32:03.540 very

00:32:03.740 wealthy

00:32:04.140 sometimes

00:32:05.260 pay

00:32:05.480 very

00:32:05.780 little

00:32:06.040 in

00:32:06.240 taxes

00:32:06.580 through

00:32:06.940 using

00:32:07.460 legal

00:32:07.900 mechanisms

00:32:08.440 to

00:32:08.720 reduce

00:32:09.000 their

00:32:09.180 tax

00:32:09.460 exposure

00:32:09.920 and

00:32:10.820 it's

00:32:11.100 why

00:32:11.440 I'm

00:32:11.660 such

00:32:11.900 a

00:32:12.040 big

00:32:12.180 proponent

00:32:12.580 of

00:32:12.700 a

00:32:12.800 flat

00:32:13.040 tax

00:32:13.320 a

00:32:13.460 simple

00:32:13.700 flat

00:32:14.020 tax

00:32:14.360 where

00:32:14.520 everyone

00:32:14.820 pays

00:32:15.160 10%

00:32:15.700 doesn't

00:32:16.080 matter

00:32:16.420 if

00:32:17.040 you're

00:32:17.240 rich

00:32:17.460 or

00:32:17.600 poor

00:32:17.840 who

00:32:18.080 you

00:32:18.280 are

00:32:18.520 it's

00:32:18.760 even

00:32:19.040 and

00:32:19.240 fair

00:32:19.460 and

00:32:19.640 simple

00:32:19.920 and

00:32:20.060 so

00:32:20.140 I

00:32:20.240 sort

00:32:20.460 of

00:32:20.540 laughed

00:32:20.780 and

00:32:20.920 said

00:32:21.020 I

00:32:21.160 guess

00:32:21.420 suddenly

00:32:22.320 the

00:32:22.480 New

00:32:22.580 York

00:32:22.740 Times

00:32:23.040 is

00:32:23.220 in

00:32:23.380 favor

00:32:23.580 of a

00:32:23.780 flat

00:32:24.000 tax

00:32:24.260 so

00:32:24.400 that's

00:32:24.680 great

00:32:25.200 progress

00:32:25.960 because

00:32:27.360 you know

00:32:27.940 there are

00:32:28.580 a whole

00:32:28.860 lot of

00:32:29.200 rich

00:32:29.400 people

00:32:29.780 that

00:32:30.080 pay

00:32:31.020 a

00:32:31.660 much

00:32:31.900 lower

00:32:32.180 percentage

00:32:32.600 taxes

00:32:33.120 than

00:32:33.640 you

00:32:34.080 or

00:32:34.200 I

00:32:34.340 do

00:32:34.520 you

00:32:34.880 know

00:32:35.040 Senator

00:32:35.340 in

00:32:35.520 a

00:32:35.640 year

00:32:35.880 of

00:32:36.040 wonders

00:32:36.520 and

00:32:36.880 all

00:32:37.040 the

00:32:37.180 craziness

00:32:37.740 and

00:32:37.920 the

00:32:38.040 lockdown

00:32:38.420 I

00:32:38.980 think

00:32:39.300 the

00:32:39.440 New

00:32:39.540 York

00:32:39.700 Times

00:32:39.900 endorsing

00:32:40.360 the

00:32:40.480 flat

00:32:40.700 tax

00:32:40.960 I

00:32:41.100 think

00:32:41.220 that's

00:32:41.440 the

00:32:41.620 biggest

00:32:42.200 one

00:32:42.500 final

00:32:42.940 question

00:32:43.340 before

00:32:43.540 I

00:32:43.700 let

00:32:43.860 you

00:32:43.960 go

00:32:44.140 from

00:32:45.060 Sandman

00:32:45.640 why

00:32:46.460 is

00:32:46.700 the

00:32:46.900 Senate

00:32:47.180 waiting

00:32:47.740 until

00:32:48.120 October

00:32:48.480 12th

00:32:49.160 to

00:32:49.600 bring

00:32:50.000 about

00:32:50.240 the

00:32:50.460 ACB

00:32:51.040 hearings

00:32:51.560 why

00:32:52.120 not

00:32:52.360 just

00:32:52.560 do

00:32:52.740 it

00:32:52.840 this

00:32:53.020 week

00:32:53.320 when

00:32:53.740 you

00:32:53.860 know

00:32:54.000 the

00:32:54.140 Democrats

00:32:54.540 will

00:32:54.740 stop

00:32:55.040 at

00:32:55.160 nothing

00:32:55.420 to

00:32:55.700 delay

00:32:56.080 delay

00:32:56.420 delay

00:32:56.720 delay

00:32:56.820 you

00:32:58.140 know

00:32:58.260 that's

00:32:58.580 a

00:32:58.720 fair

00:32:58.880 question

00:32:59.400 and

00:32:59.600 that

00:32:59.740 was

00:32:59.900 ultimately

00:33:00.280 a

00:33:00.520 decision

00:33:00.920 for

00:33:01.180 Lindsey

00:33:01.420 Graham

00:33:01.760 the

00:33:01.960 chairman

00:33:02.220 of

00:33:02.380 the

00:33:02.480 committee

00:33:02.760 and

00:33:03.220 the

00:33:03.780 reasoning

00:33:04.180 that

00:33:04.380 he

00:33:04.460 laid

00:33:04.660 out

00:33:04.900 to

00:33:05.100 us

00:33:05.380 is

00:33:05.600 that

00:33:06.060 historically

00:33:06.920 hearings

00:33:08.200 have

00:33:08.460 commenced

00:33:09.280 typically

00:33:09.780 10 days

00:33:10.500 to 2 weeks

00:33:11.100 after the

00:33:11.560 announcement

00:33:11.920 sometimes

00:33:12.280 later

00:33:12.760 but

00:33:13.020 what

00:33:13.740 he

00:33:14.320 wanted

00:33:14.700 to

00:33:14.940 do

00:33:15.220 is

00:33:15.440 as

00:33:15.640 much

00:33:16.160 as

00:33:16.460 possible

00:33:17.080 follow

00:33:17.560 the

00:33:17.800 precedent

00:33:18.240 so

00:33:19.140 that

00:33:19.360 the

00:33:19.540 Democrats

00:33:19.880 are

00:33:20.040 going

00:33:20.120 to

00:33:20.220 scream

00:33:20.420 everything

00:33:20.720 is

00:33:20.920 unfair

00:33:21.240 anyway

00:33:21.640 but

00:33:22.460 I

00:33:22.720 think

00:33:22.900 what

00:33:23.080 he

00:33:23.160 was

00:33:23.320 trying

00:33:23.700 to

00:33:23.900 do

00:33:24.220 is

00:33:24.520 follow

00:33:24.980 the

00:33:25.240 historical

00:33:25.740 precedent

00:33:26.300 so

00:33:26.620 that

00:33:26.820 it

00:33:27.280 could

00:33:27.460 be

00:33:27.620 rightly

00:33:27.980 said

00:33:28.440 that

00:33:29.240 a

00:33:29.540 full

00:33:29.900 and

00:33:30.080 fair

00:33:30.240 process

00:33:30.720 has

00:33:30.960 been

00:33:31.100 given

00:33:31.380 here

00:33:31.900 a

00:33:32.300 thorough

00:33:32.860 examination

00:33:33.640 is

00:33:34.800 occurring

00:33:35.340 and

00:33:35.940 so

00:33:36.500 and I

00:33:36.860 think

00:33:37.040 that's

00:33:37.360 reasonable

00:33:37.820 what

00:33:38.160 we

00:33:39.200 talked

00:33:39.620 about

00:33:39.860 where

00:33:40.020 the

00:33:40.160 Senate Judiciary

00:33:40.780 Committee

00:33:41.100 members

00:33:41.600 meet

00:33:42.100 privately

00:33:43.220 I guess

00:33:44.220 last week

00:33:44.840 talking about

00:33:45.480 the expected

00:33:46.040 timing

00:33:46.460 and

00:33:47.480 the

00:33:47.840 concern

00:33:48.280 I

00:33:48.500 raised

00:33:48.780 I

00:33:48.920 raised

00:33:49.180 one

00:33:49.400 concern

00:33:49.740 I

00:33:49.920 said

00:33:50.100 listen

00:33:50.420 I'm

00:33:51.520 fine

00:33:51.780 with

00:33:51.980 it

00:33:52.100 if

00:33:52.220 we

00:33:52.540 start

00:33:52.800 on

00:33:52.900 the

00:33:53.020 12th

00:33:53.760 if

00:33:54.100 if

00:33:54.520 if

00:33:55.020 we

00:33:56.080 are

00:33:56.220 absolutely

00:33:56.760 certain

00:33:57.280 we

00:33:57.480 can

00:33:57.640 get

00:33:57.820 the

00:33:57.960 nomination

00:33:58.440 completed

00:33:59.420 before

00:34:00.020 election

00:34:00.420 day

00:34:00.740 because

00:34:01.500 the

00:34:01.740 Democrats

00:34:02.220 whole

00:34:02.780 strategy

00:34:03.260 is

00:34:03.540 delay

00:34:03.860 it

00:34:04.020 after

00:34:04.280 election

00:34:04.700 day

00:34:05.020 and

00:34:05.160 then

00:34:05.400 have

00:34:05.840 the

00:34:06.000 chaos

00:34:06.540 end

00:34:07.120 up

00:34:07.300 killing

00:34:07.560 the

00:34:07.740 nomination

00:34:08.200 and

00:34:08.620 so

00:34:09.160 I

00:34:09.900 press

00:34:10.320 the

00:34:10.540 lawyers

00:34:10.900 pretty

00:34:11.240 hard

00:34:11.760 for

00:34:12.120 example

00:34:12.520 one

00:34:12.760 of

00:34:12.840 the

00:34:12.960 things

00:34:13.260 that

00:34:13.500 Pelosi

00:34:14.220 and

00:34:14.400 the

00:34:14.480 Democrats

00:34:14.820 are

00:34:15.000 talking

00:34:15.260 about

00:34:15.500 doing

00:34:15.820 is

00:34:16.760 impeaching

00:34:17.200 the

00:34:17.400 president

00:34:17.700 again

00:34:18.060 and

00:34:18.960 it

00:34:20.860 would

00:34:21.020 be

00:34:21.140 a

00:34:21.280 total

00:34:21.560 abuse

00:34:21.920 of

00:34:22.080 power

00:34:22.380 as

00:34:22.660 you

00:34:23.060 know

00:34:23.360 as

00:34:23.540 verdict

00:34:23.800 started

00:34:24.200 by

00:34:24.420 discussing

00:34:24.840 at

00:34:25.020 great

00:34:25.240 length

00:34:25.620 the

00:34:26.420 test

00:34:26.920 for

00:34:27.160 impeachment

00:34:27.620 the

00:34:27.840 standard

00:34:28.180 for

00:34:28.400 impeachment

00:34:28.820 is

00:34:29.520 high

00:34:29.980 crimes

00:34:30.340 or

00:34:30.480 misdemeanors

00:34:31.120 well

00:34:32.040 it

00:34:33.120 ain't

00:34:33.280 complicated

00:34:33.920 that

00:34:34.200 nominating

00:34:34.680 a

00:34:34.900 Supreme

00:34:35.140 Court

00:34:35.400 justice

00:34:35.780 is

00:34:36.060 not

00:34:36.420 a

00:34:36.640 high

00:34:36.800 crime

00:34:37.040 or

00:34:37.180 misdemeanor

00:34:37.680 but

00:34:38.760 it's

00:34:39.400 possible

00:34:40.080 that

00:34:41.320 we'll

00:34:41.560 see

00:34:41.980 congressional

00:34:42.600 Democrats

00:34:43.180 try to

00:34:43.560 use

00:34:43.760 impeachment

00:34:44.240 as a

00:34:44.580 tool

00:34:44.760 for

00:34:44.980 delay

00:34:45.420 if

00:34:46.360 they

00:34:46.560 do

00:34:46.880 that

00:34:47.320 the

00:34:47.600 advice

00:34:48.080 we've

00:34:48.420 gotten

00:34:48.740 from

00:34:49.000 the

00:34:49.180 Senate

00:34:49.420 parliamentary

00:34:50.120 experts

00:34:50.640 is

00:34:51.040 that

00:34:51.440 the

00:34:51.600 majority

00:34:52.060 that

00:34:52.400 we

00:34:53.220 can

00:34:53.540 set

00:34:54.620 that

00:34:54.820 aside

00:34:55.180 that

00:34:55.360 it

00:34:55.480 won't

00:34:55.760 delay

00:34:56.160 the

00:34:56.380 confirmation

00:34:56.960 that

00:34:57.220 if

00:34:57.380 they

00:34:57.800 want

00:34:58.200 to

00:34:58.500 they

00:34:59.400 can

00:34:59.600 force

00:34:59.980 us

00:35:00.180 to

00:35:00.340 sit

00:35:00.520 on

00:35:00.640 the

00:35:00.760 floor

00:35:01.020 and

00:35:01.240 cast

00:35:01.520 number

00:35:01.840 of

00:35:02.000 votes

00:35:02.300 so

00:35:02.680 they

00:35:02.840 can

00:35:03.020 waste

00:35:03.300 a

00:35:03.480 little

00:35:03.620 bit

00:35:03.800 of

00:35:03.920 time

00:35:04.280 but

00:35:05.400 they

00:35:06.560 don't

00:35:06.840 have

00:35:07.080 the

00:35:07.220 ability

00:35:07.580 and

00:35:07.820 so

00:35:08.100 given

00:35:08.520 that

00:35:08.840 we

00:35:09.120 can

00:35:09.300 get

00:35:09.520 it

00:35:09.660 done

00:35:10.080 before

00:35:10.960 election

00:35:11.440 day

00:35:11.760 I

00:35:11.940 think

00:35:12.100 it

00:35:12.240 was

00:35:12.380 reasonable

00:35:12.780 to

00:35:13.020 say

00:35:13.260 we'll

00:35:13.960 follow

00:35:14.320 a

00:35:14.520 comparable

00:35:14.860 period

00:35:15.220 of

00:35:15.380 time

00:35:15.580 as

00:35:15.720 has

00:35:16.280 been

00:35:16.400 done

00:35:16.560 before

00:35:16.900 of

00:35:17.780 course

00:35:18.000 it

00:35:18.140 doesn't

00:35:18.420 matter

00:35:18.660 if

00:35:19.020 the

00:35:19.280 confirmation

00:35:19.700 is

00:35:20.340 on

00:35:20.520 November

00:35:20.760 2nd

00:35:21.760 for

00:35:21.940 that

00:35:22.120 matter

00:35:22.320 it

00:35:22.480 could

00:35:22.620 be

00:35:22.900 on

00:35:23.060 the

00:35:23.160 morning

00:35:23.340 of

00:35:23.460 November

00:35:23.740 3rd

00:35:24.060 as

00:35:24.160 long

00:35:24.320 as

00:35:24.440 it

00:35:24.520 just

00:35:24.680 happens

00:35:25.020 before

00:35:25.860 the

00:35:26.500 election

00:35:26.920 that

00:35:27.220 has

00:35:27.900 me

00:35:28.040 feeling

00:35:28.260 pretty

00:35:28.460 good

00:35:28.620 I

00:35:28.720 have

00:35:28.820 to

00:35:28.900 tell

00:35:29.040 you

00:35:29.160 usually

00:35:29.520 we

00:35:29.920 end

00:35:30.040 these

00:35:30.220 shows

00:35:30.440 on

00:35:30.600 kind

00:35:30.740 of

00:35:30.820 a

00:35:30.940 down

00:35:31.300 note

00:35:31.620 things

00:35:31.880 haven't

00:35:32.120 been

00:35:32.240 going

00:35:32.420 that

00:35:32.600 great

00:35:32.980 necessarily

00:35:33.740 in

00:35:33.940 the

00:35:34.040 country

00:35:34.360 but

00:35:35.000 there

00:35:35.320 is

00:35:35.700 a

00:35:35.920 little

00:35:36.060 ray

00:35:36.380 of

00:35:36.640 hope

00:35:36.960 and

00:35:37.340 of

00:35:37.460 course

00:35:37.600 we'll

00:35:37.840 have

00:35:38.060 the

00:35:38.320 debate

00:35:38.760 tonight

00:35:39.160 so

00:35:39.340 we'll

00:35:39.420 have

00:35:39.520 lots

00:35:39.700 more

00:35:39.840 to

00:35:39.960 talk

00:35:40.140 about

00:35:40.340 tomorrow

00:35:41.040 and

00:35:41.260 until

00:35:41.520 then

00:35:41.800 Senator

00:35:42.220 I

00:35:42.560 will

00:35:42.780 be

00:35:43.080 reading

00:35:43.680 more

00:35:44.000 of

00:35:44.140 your

00:35:44.300 book

00:35:44.600 one

00:35:44.880 vote

00:35:45.220 away

00:35:45.540 I'm

00:35:46.220 Michael

00:35:46.440 Knowles

00:35:46.840 this is

00:35:47.420 verdict

00:35:47.660 with

00:35:47.940 Ted

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 30, 2020

One Vote Away

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