Verdict with Ted Cruz - July 05, 2024


PANIC Continues： Democrats are Freaking, Pressuring Biden to Drop Out


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00:00:05.400 Welcome.
00:00:06.140 It is The Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you,
00:00:09.100 and I hope you had a fabulous Fourth of July.
00:00:11.620 And it was an interesting Fourth of July at the White House.
00:00:15.520 Now the White House saying that the president did see a doctor days after the debate,
00:00:21.460 and they're also saying we ain't dropping out, at least as of now.
00:00:25.720 Well, let me first of all say for the Fourth of July, happy birthday, America.
00:00:30.620 What an incredible country we live in.
00:00:33.220 What an extraordinary nation.
00:00:34.700 I think the most consequential nation in the history of the world.
00:00:38.460 I think we were built with God's blessing, with divine providence.
00:00:43.020 I think America has been a force for good, for freedom, for liberation, for peace,
00:00:47.580 the greatest force for liberation, peace, and justice on the face of the earth.
00:00:54.300 And so July 4th is a great time to celebrate our nation, to hug your children,
00:00:58.780 to eat hot dogs and hamburgers and backyard barbecue and play with your kids and love life.
00:01:07.420 So that's number one.
00:01:08.960 I hope your fourth was fantastic.
00:01:10.580 But number two, politics continues to roll on.
00:01:15.200 And in particular, we're in day eight now of Debate-mageddon,
00:01:20.800 the aftermath of the most consequential presidential debate in American history.
00:01:25.140 Eight days ago, the night of the debate, Ben and I did a special podcast that evening.
00:01:32.000 That evening, we discussed how the disastrous performance from Joe Biden demonstrated to the
00:01:38.440 world this man is not fit to be commander-in-chief.
00:01:41.360 For many people, it raised the question whether he was fit to tie his own shoes or to drive an
00:01:46.240 automobile. My prediction then, and that's what I said the night of the debate, I think the odds
00:01:53.520 have risen to 80% that the Democrats will pull Joe Biden off the ticket, they will abandon him as
00:02:02.320 their candidate, and they will replace him with Michelle Obama. This is something that I had
00:02:08.440 predicted nine months ago. Nine months ago, I said it was a possibility. It was a real possibility.
00:02:13.500 I now think the odds are greater than 80%. And I also made another prediction on Thursday night.
00:02:19.400 I said I thought it was likely to happen within the next 21 days. We are on day eight today. That
00:02:26.360 means we have 13 more days within the window of when they are likely to do it. And I think we're
00:02:32.120 seeing every day growing momentum as more and more Democrats are jumping ship and saying we got to
00:02:38.140 do something different. Yeah, and the excuses are getting truly incredible. We're going to play
00:02:42.640 one of them in just a moment that deals with jet lag as the new excuse about why he had a bad debate
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00:04:36.220 I mentioned a moment ago that this White House is floundering on a level I didn't even know was
00:04:42.240 imaginable in their response to this debate. And every time you think they can't get any worse,
00:04:47.660 they then do something that is even more incompetent in the response. I want to play for you,
00:04:52.800 Senator, this. This is the White House press secretary floating the idea that the reason
00:04:57.940 why Joe Biden had a bad night the other night is that he was suffering from jet lag almost two weeks,
00:05:05.420 14 days after traveling. Here is the White House press secretary trying to sell this to the American
00:05:11.460 people. Thank you. There's no question that international travel can be rigorous. I think
00:05:17.360 the confusion is that he's still suffering from the effects of that nearly two weeks later.
00:05:22.960 So can you articulate a little bit about, like, do you guys usually have accommodations for him
00:05:28.600 after he does a trip that he's going to have jet lag for that long a period of time?
00:05:33.960 So can you, when you say two weeks later, what do you mean?
00:05:36.580 Well, the debate, he arrives back in the United States 12 or 13 days before the debate.
00:05:41.220 So his explanation for a poor debate performance is jet lag.
00:05:44.900 So what I want to say is it's the jet lag and also the cold, right? It is the two things
00:05:51.260 that occurred. And you all heard it in his voice when he did the debate, right? And it is not even
00:05:59.360 something that we shared ahead of time. You heard it in his voice and we confirmed it. And I think
00:06:04.520 that's important to note as well. Like, it is the jet lag and the cold. But I want to be really clear.
00:06:10.460 This is not an excuse, right? This is not an excuse. You all asked for an explanation
00:06:14.960 and we're giving it an explanation. It is not an excuse. I don't want that to be the leading
00:06:20.940 piece of this. The only reason we're sharing this, because it was asked of me here and the
00:06:26.340 president certainly wanted to give an explanation himself and that's what he did yesterday.
00:06:31.040 We want to, we understand that it wasn't his best night. It wasn't a great debate. We understand that
00:06:38.020 and we understand what supporters saw, what the American people saw and what you all saw.
00:06:43.020 And so we wanted to give an explanation. So I don't want to get into this. Oh, are you giving
00:06:48.420 this excuse? Not an excuse. We're giving you what our explanation was. We want to continue
00:06:54.240 to make sure that we do everything that we can to deliver for the American people. That's what
00:07:00.340 we're going to continue. I mean, Senator, you hear this. It's not an excuse. We're just,
00:07:05.220 you asked. So we're just telling you 14 days after international travel, the president was
00:07:09.820 suffering from jet lag. So there's the story. You know, I got to say, every time I hear Corrine
00:07:15.600 Jean-Pierre, I think she is the opposite of William Jefferson Clinton. William Jefferson Clinton,
00:07:22.100 you'll recall, was referred to as an unusually good liar. That he could lie and it was believable
00:07:28.980 and he'd bite his lip and he'd, you know, pointed, push his thumb together and you just,
00:07:34.400 you believed he felt your pain. He could lie better than anyone. I think Corrine Jean-Pierre
00:07:40.620 is an unusually bad liar. Like, like when she does it, it's laughably false. One of the things,
00:07:48.660 if you're going to be in a job as a media hack and trying to spin people, typically you learn not
00:07:55.180 to tell just brazen lies that are absurd. When Corrine Jean-Pierre stood in the White House press
00:08:01.120 briefing room and said, you know, people are not just coming across the border. It's not happening.
00:08:05.640 They're not walking across the border. It doesn't happen. That was such a wild lie. Literally every
00:08:10.940 reporter could pull up on their phone videos of it happening while she was talking. That's a bad lie.
00:08:17.040 Here, this jet lag thing is a really bad lie. Like anyone who's actually flown internationally,
00:08:23.820 look, jet lag is a thing. It's a reasonable thing. You feel it a day, maybe two, when you fly from one
00:08:31.840 place to the other. You know, he was in Europe. He was there for Normandy. I was there for Normandy.
00:08:36.520 I got to say the idea that I'd be complaining now, you know, I've still got jet lag because several
00:08:41.280 weeks ago I was in Europe. That's just obviously stupid. And they don't want the explanation to be
00:08:48.740 the explanation that every person with eyeballs and common sense saw, which is this is an old man
00:08:54.120 who's suffering from dementia. That's the answer. And so, well, you know, he was in a plane a few
00:08:59.180 weeks earlier. Let's call it jet lag. Yeah, yeah. Maybe people out there are dumb enough to believe
00:09:03.800 that. Well, and they went on TV like a full court press to try to sell this at the White House. This
00:09:10.400 was another one of their interviews outside of Jean-Pierre where they're like, all right, guys,
00:09:14.020 everybody got on TV and sell that the president is jet lagged. Apparently, the president apologized
00:09:18.940 to everyone in the room saying this is not an excuse, but it is an explanation. And he blamed
00:09:24.560 the extensive foreign travel that he did in the lead up to the CNN debate for his poor performance.
00:09:30.580 Just a reminder for everyone, he did go to France for the D-Day anniversary. And then he turned right
00:09:35.840 back around and went to Italy for the G7 summit. And he told the room, I didn't listen to my staff.
00:09:41.460 So the suggestion there being his staff did not think this was a good idea. And then he apparently
00:09:46.200 said, I almost fell asleep on stage. I just want to unpack this new explanation for a second as the
00:09:53.680 explanation for why his debate performance was so bad. I find it a little bit puzzling. And frankly,
00:09:59.680 I'm not sure that a lot of people are going to find this reassuring. If anything,
00:10:03.680 some folks might hear this and be, you know, even more concerned. Yes, there were two foreign trips
00:10:09.380 in the lead up to the June 27th CNN debate, but he returned from Italy on June 15th. The debate again
00:10:16.300 was on June 27th. So we're talking about roughly 12 days in between when he was back in the States.
00:10:22.160 And remember, a part of those 12 days, about a full week, he actually spent with his advisors at Camp
00:10:28.340 David for the sole purpose of really focusing on debate prep. So why is the president falling asleep
00:10:34.620 on the debate stage at the hours of 9pm to 1030? I can't believe, by the way, that CNN saying that
00:10:42.320 they have all turned on him like they have just completely turned on him with MJ Lee. They're
00:10:46.960 saying, I find it a little bit puzzling that this guy's at Camp David for a whole week. And you've done
00:10:52.440 debate prep. So let's pull back the curtain on that. When you've done your most vigorous debate prep,
00:10:57.120 Senator, and I've been blessed to be in several different debate preps for for different major
00:11:01.440 races, it doesn't last 12 hours in a day. Now, the ones I've done certainly not for seven days
00:11:06.300 straight, it's usually two or three hours of intense debate prep, and then you take a legit break.
00:11:11.080 Yeah, look, and I've never done a week of debate prep. Typically, when I do debate prep,
00:11:15.000 it is one to two days is what's involved. You know, the irony of the of their jet lag explanation is
00:11:20.840 the fact that we know he spent a week at Camp David, where the only thing on the plate was getting
00:11:26.580 ready for debate prep. And and I am certain he slept a lot of hours that week. And and listen,
00:11:33.100 he should. One of the things I do for debate prep, you know, you know, there are studies that have been
00:11:37.680 done. This is something when I was arguing cases at the Supreme Court, I looked at there were medical
00:11:42.680 studies that are done that that that show the more sleep you get, the faster your your brain thinks,
00:11:49.560 the faster your neurons fire. Before a Supreme Court argument, I used to the night before try to
00:11:57.140 get nine to 10 hours sleep, which is a lot more sleep. I typically get six to seven hours sleep a
00:12:02.620 night. Before a Supreme Court argument, I would try to get nine to 10 hours sleep a night. And I do that
00:12:08.980 both the night before the argument. And I do that two nights before the argument. The reason two nights
00:12:14.240 before the argument years ago in college, I used to teach at Princeton Review, the the test prep class
00:12:21.880 that that helps students, I taught the SAT and I taught the LSAT. And and when I was teaching at
00:12:27.980 Princeton Review, we would teach teach students to do the same thing, get a ton of sleep the night
00:12:32.820 before your exam, and get a ton of sleep two nights before your exam, because there's scientific
00:12:38.380 studies that show the sleep you get two nights before an event affects your brain speed. And what
00:12:44.700 I found in Supreme Court arguments is that if I had two nights of supercharging sleep, nine to 10 hours
00:12:51.060 of sleep, two nights in a row, that when I'd stand up there for the argument at the podium, my brain was
00:12:57.720 a half second faster, a half second quicker to respond to a question, to think about a line of
00:13:02.740 argument, to anticipate where the other side was going, to anticipate where a justice was going.
00:13:08.380 When I prepare for political debates, I do the same thing. I try to have two nights of nine to 10
00:13:13.580 hours sleep the two nights before, and it makes a real difference. Your brain is fast and quick.
00:13:19.860 Biden had an entire week where he could sleep. He could have slept 12 hours a day, every day for a
00:13:25.740 week. And so the idea that they're saying, well, yeah, but two weeks earlier, he was on a plane. So
00:13:30.120 it's jet lag. Nobody who's ever flown an airplane believes that. There's also this big interview
00:13:37.140 that's about to take place, and it's become actually even bigger since when you and I mentioned it.
00:13:43.360 There is George Stepanopoulos, and I think we should remind people who he is. He is a hardcore lefty
00:13:48.860 that acts like he's now some sort of journalist, even though he was best known for defending Bill
00:13:53.680 Clinton and giving Bill Clinton some of the best spin lines in history. It's the friendliest person.
00:13:58.060 Look, he was basically Corrine Jean-Pierre for Bill Clinton. He was a press staffer. He was a comm
00:14:04.540 staffer. He was in the White House. He was on the Clinton White House staff. I think his title is
00:14:08.720 communications director, so he wasn't actually the press secretary. But he was the press flack. He was
00:14:13.420 the person. He was the Jen Psaki. He was the one who was in charge of communications for Bill Clinton
00:14:19.420 for years. He was very close to Bill Clinton. And then he jumped over, as many Dem communication
00:14:25.120 hacks do. They leave that role, and they jump over, and they become like Jen Psaki. They get their own
00:14:30.580 show. Well, George Stepanopoulos went from being the official spokesperson for the Democratic president
00:14:36.920 to being at ABC acting as effectively the official spokesperson for the Democrat president.
00:14:43.800 And he's the guy that's going to get this interview. We now have word that they've decided
00:14:50.780 to change this interview to a, quote, prime time special on Friday night to save, in essence,
00:14:58.840 I think, his presidency. And Democrats aren't even buying that. MSNBC and one of the hardcore
00:15:05.920 lefties out there, Debbie Dingell, she said this on MSNBC on July 4th.
00:15:12.020 They've been after Joe Biden all week. So he's got one thing to do, which is to get up and go out
00:15:18.380 to prove to people that he can do the job, will do the job, and has the stamina. Took too long to
00:15:23.500 make some of the phone calls he showed up. I think he's in a bubble wrap by many of his
00:15:27.220 senior staff. And I think he's starting to do what he has to do. One interview tomorrow,
00:15:32.820 he's not going to fix this.
00:15:35.120 One interview tomorrow is, quote, not going to fix this. This is one of the most extreme lefties
00:15:41.040 on MSNBC saying that.
00:15:43.800 Well, and listen, one of the most revealing things, that ABC interview is taped. It's not live.
00:15:49.980 If they were real journalists, you know what ABC should do? You know what George Stephanopoulos
00:15:54.180 should insist on doing? The debate was live. Let's have this interview be live. The American
00:15:59.140 people need to see how you answer real time, which means we, ABC, we're not going to edit out when you
00:16:05.340 stare blankly out at the wall and don't know what I say. We're not going to edit out when you stumble.
00:16:09.580 The fact that it is taped means that George Stephanopoulos can go in and say, okay, oh,
00:16:15.360 this exchange looked really bad for Joe Biden. Let's cut that out. Okay, he's staring off at the
00:16:20.920 ceiling and doesn't know what's going on. Let's definitely not air that. And let's find snippets
00:16:25.760 where he seems cogent and let's piece them together. Now, if George Stephanopoulos was wearing
00:16:32.200 his hat as Democrat operative, putting together a TV campaign for Biden, that would be a reasonable
00:16:39.120 thing to do. But he's at least pretending to be a journalist. And ABC is pretending to be an actual
00:16:45.620 news organization. And so anyone who actually cares about journalism or news should insist the
00:16:52.300 thing be live. Let the American people see how he acts in real time.
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00:17:27.980 Let's take a step back from this. And I want to ask you another question. You and I actually
00:17:32.040 haven't even talked about this yet. So I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think. And that is,
00:17:38.240 are we going to look back weeks, months, years from now? And are we going to look at this moment
00:17:45.600 in history and say, was this the biggest political cover-up in history that we had an incapacitated
00:17:53.320 president that the American people were sheltered from, that the White House was covering for and
00:18:00.740 lying for, that the media was covering for and lying for? I go back to November, okay? Not that long
00:18:07.420 ago. White House Press Secretary Jean-Pierre said this to the American people.
00:18:11.240 I would put the president's stamina, president's wisdom, ability to get this done on behalf of
00:18:18.120 the American people against anyone, anyone on any day of the week.
00:18:23.420 I mean, that was, that was November, Senator. And I think this is one of the biggest
00:18:28.120 political cover-ups we've ever witnessed. Yeah, she is a really bad liar. But I mean,
00:18:32.740 this is, this is one of the biggest political cover-ups I've ever witnessed.
00:18:36.120 You know, yes and no. Of course, it's a cover-up. Of course, everyone is complicit in it. Of course,
00:18:43.020 the Democrats all know and they're lying. Of course, the media all know and they're lying.
00:18:47.420 But at the same time, it's not a cover-up. Anyone whose head is not plunged into the sand,
00:18:54.020 you knew before the debate last week that Joe Biden was mentally incapacitated.
00:18:57.920 You knew that. It was obvious. Anyone who's ever had an elderly relative, a loved one dealing with
00:19:05.920 dementia, dealing with Alzheimer's, you've seen that distant look, that shuffle, that look of
00:19:10.880 confusion. We see that every week. It's obvious. Look, we've never seen a president do what Joe Biden
00:19:16.680 does, which is not talked to anyone in the Senate. In three and a half years, I've had no conversations
00:19:22.860 with Joe Biden. He has had no conversations with virtually any Republican senator. We sit around
00:19:28.240 at lunch and talk about how weird that is because a major part of the job being in the Senate is
00:19:34.900 dealing with the president, working with the president. You know, just over a month ago,
00:19:41.480 I passed the FAA reauthorization bill. That is a huge bill. $110 billion investment in infrastructure
00:19:50.280 and safety for aviation, enhancing safety for the flying public, hiring new air traffic controllers
00:19:57.040 to keep people safe when they fly, investing billions in airports, putting collision detection
00:20:03.220 technology on runways to keep people safe, also expanding competition. Just Texas alone,
00:20:09.720 hundreds of thousands of jobs depend upon aviation. We have major airlines based in Texas.
00:20:17.560 Millions of jobs depend indirectly on aviation. It was a huge bipartisan victory. I was the lead
00:20:23.800 author, along with Maria Cantwell. We passed it. We passed it on the floor of the Senate. 88 to Ford
00:20:29.980 includes within it, finally, finally, finally, a direct flight from San Antonio to Reagan, Washington
00:20:36.760 National Airport, something San Antonio. That entire community has been fighting for for 20 years.
00:20:42.640 That was a victory. I wrote into law and we won it. Now, you know what would normally happen when you
00:20:48.240 pass major bipartisan legislation? I'm assuming you'd say the president might get in contact with you?
00:20:54.800 You'd have a signing ceremony. In a typical, normal, functioning administration,
00:21:00.200 when there's big bipartisan legislation, the next step is the White House contacts you and says,
00:21:06.860 we're going to have a signing ceremony. In the signing ceremony, you go, both the Democrats and
00:21:11.480 Republicans who are the authors of the bill go, and the president signs the bill into law in the Oval
00:21:16.680 Office and there are people there'd be. In this instance, you would have people from the airlines
00:21:21.020 there. You'd have people from airports there. You'd have the pilots unions there. You'd have the flight
00:21:25.860 attendance unions there. You'd have everyone impacted by the bill there in the Oval Office.
00:21:30.780 I've been to a lot of signing ceremonies. It's pretty typical. You know what the Biden White House
00:21:35.220 said? I wouldn't even be surprised. They didn't even know you guys were doing it. Oh, no, no. They
00:21:40.200 knew. They knew. And Biden signed the bill when it came over. He signed it into law, but there was no
00:21:46.180 ceremony. And the reason there's no ceremony, they cannot have him interact with other people because it
00:21:53.020 is blazingly obvious this man is incapacitated. That has been the way the administration has
00:21:59.380 operated from day one. They don't do signing ceremonies like other administrations. They
00:22:04.560 hide him. And so, yes, it's a cover-up, but at another level, no, it's not really a cover-up because
00:22:11.420 everybody knows. The thing that is stunning, Ben, on the Democrat side of the aisle, nobody cares.
00:22:18.380 I have yet to speak to a single Democrat senator or a single Democrat House member who's expressed
00:22:25.760 genuine concern that the commander-in-chief does not know what time of day it is, that the commander-in-chief
00:22:32.480 can't find his way out of a locked box. I haven't heard any concern from a single Democrat that America
00:22:41.860 is much less safe because our commander-in-chief is Mr. Magoo. He is a confused
00:22:49.320 individual with serious disabilities who is not able to handle a difficult situation. Look, when you see
00:22:58.980 the G8 leaders gather together and Joe Biden starts wandering off and the Italian prime minister has to go
00:23:06.540 and grab his hand and lead him back, that's not good. It's not good for the American president
00:23:13.040 to be treated as the elderly uncle everyone needs to take care of and cut his food for and make sure
00:23:19.840 there are no big pieces so that he can, you know, we can steer the airplane into the mouth. That
00:23:25.340 is horrible for America and frustratingly, Ben, no Democrat cares. The only reason anyone's discussing
00:23:31.980 this now is suddenly on the debate, the American people saw it and the Democrats are afraid they
00:23:37.840 might lose. If they didn't think they were going to lose, every Democrat would say stick with him
00:23:42.340 forever, we're great, doesn't matter if the president is competent or not. Yeah, and there seems to be a
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00:26:04.700 slash verdict, or 972 Patriot. One Democrat that went on TV, I guess he's like the sacrificial lamb,
00:26:12.340 is Democratic Representative Dan Goldman. He said this about the president trying to reassure
00:26:19.940 Americans he's really fine. There's no cognitive decline. And the people who are with him every day
00:26:24.540 have indicated as well that it was an aberration, and it is an anomaly. And if that is the case,
00:26:31.120 then we will see that. And we will see that over the next week. And he will restore our faith and
00:26:37.460 confidence in his fitness. And then everything else between the two of them cuts in favor of Joe
00:26:43.660 Biden. So people are right to have some concerns after that performance. And I don't think there's
00:26:49.120 any excuse that Joe Biden offered. I think he was trying to explain how he had such a poor performance.
00:26:57.900 But he's accepted it. He's owned it. He's acknowledged it, as we all have. And what we need to
00:27:03.920 see from him is that vibrant and whip-smart president that we have had for the last three
00:27:10.260 and a half years. I mean, you listen to him, and then you go to the facts. Biden's post-debate
00:27:16.720 checkup actually contradicts what the White House said. They've now confirmed that, and President
00:27:24.640 Biden confirmed, and again, I'm quoting reports coming out of the White House, to the Democratic
00:27:29.420 governors. Remember, they had this 9-1-1, you know, all-hands-on-deck meeting with Democratic
00:27:33.580 governors to try to reassure them that he had a medical checkup following the presidential debate,
00:27:38.420 despite earlier statements from the White House press secretary on multiple occasions,
00:27:41.900 that he had not received any medical exam since February. We played some of that in the last show.
00:27:47.760 The White House later clarified that Biden was seen by a doctor for a brief, quote, brief checkup
00:27:53.380 due to the lingering symptoms from a cold, which did not include any major tests. So even when they
00:28:00.340 lie to you, they're now lying to either the governors or the American people, or they're just lying about
00:28:06.080 all of it. Your thoughts? Yeah, look, the cold is nonsense. The jet lag is nonsense. Everyone knows
00:28:12.280 that. The issue is that he's too old, and he's suffering from dementia. That is blazingly true.
00:28:19.380 They're trying to distract from this. Look, I'll give you a sense of how bad it is. Even the
00:28:24.800 Praetorian Guard, even the most zealous defenders of Joe Biden and the Democrats, and by that I mean
00:28:31.480 the New York Times, even they're turning on her. On Wednesday of this week, the New York Times wrote
00:28:38.080 a story, the headline of which is, Biden tells allies he knows he has only days to salvage candidacy.
00:28:45.840 Here's what the New York Times wrote. By the way, this is not an editorial. This is a news story.
00:28:50.240 President Joe Biden has told key allies that he knows the coming days are crucial and understands
00:28:54.720 that he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince voters that he is up to the job
00:28:59.640 after a disastrous debate performance last week. According to two allies who have spoken with him,
00:29:05.820 Biden has emphasized that he is still deeply committed to fight for his re-election,
00:29:09.340 but understands that his viability as a candidate is on the line. The president sought to project
00:29:16.540 confidence Wednesday in a call with campaign staff, even as White House officials were trying
00:29:21.640 to calm nerves inside the ranks of the Biden administration. Quote, no one's pushing me out,
00:29:28.160 Biden said in the call. I'm not leaving. Vice President Kamala Harris was also on the line. Quote,
00:29:33.640 we will not back down. We will follow our president's lead, she said. We will fight and we will win.
00:29:39.560 Rah, rah, rah. Still, Biden allies said the president had privately acknowledged
00:29:44.500 that his next few appearances heading into the July 4th holiday weekend must go well,
00:29:50.840 particularly in an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News
00:29:55.120 and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Quote, he knows that if he has two more events like that,
00:30:01.560 we're in a different place by the end of the weekend, said one of the allies,
00:30:05.620 referring to Biden's halting and unfocused performance on the debate.
00:30:09.100 That person who talked to the president the past 24 hours spoke on the condition of anonymity
00:30:14.280 to discuss a sensitive situation. The accounts of his conversations with allies
00:30:19.540 are the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can
00:30:26.380 recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta last Thursday.
00:30:32.440 A new poll from the New York Times and Siena College showed the former president Donald Trump
00:30:37.000 now leads Biden 49 to 43 percent among likely voters nationally.
00:30:42.600 A three-point swing towards the Republican from just a week earlier before the debate.
00:30:48.200 This is, they're terrified, and note, they're terrified about one thing.
00:30:54.780 They think Biden's going to lose. If they thought a mentally incompetent person was going to win,
00:31:01.740 they'd be fine. But they're terrified that there are at least some people who say,
00:31:06.440 gosh, maybe the commander-in-chief should be aware of what's going on around it.
00:31:12.440 So let me ask you this, and the poll numbers that you just mentioned also connect to some other polls
00:31:20.540 that have come out, and that is they're polling every name against Donald Trump.
00:31:25.560 There is only one name right now that in the polling shows that they could, quote,
00:31:32.500 beat Donald Trump. That is the name that you gave nine months ago that we've been talking about
00:31:39.200 ever since, and Michelle Obama. There have been pretty clear messages coming from her camp.
00:31:45.320 She's not interested. And then the next person that everyone now seems to be thinking is probably
00:31:51.080 the one that would replace them is Kamala Harris. And that's just from the money aspect of things.
00:31:57.340 She's the one that can use the money they've raised. She's the one that's already set up to just keep
00:32:01.960 walking forward. The same team would be there. The same campaign manager. All the staff is around
00:32:07.800 there, so she would be the, quote, easiest choice. You look at this. It doesn't say she could win,
00:32:14.980 but is she the frontrunner, or is it Michelle Obama, or who is it in your opinion?
00:32:20.280 Look, I still think it's Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama is the only candidate the Democrats could
00:32:26.580 push Kamala aside for. They know Kamala is a terrible candidate. They're really scared they don't
00:32:32.540 want her at the top of the ticket. But their bean counters, the way their party is, whatever your
00:32:38.580 race, whatever your gender, whoever you are, that is the dominant feature about you. It matters more
00:32:43.060 than anything else. The people who talk about putting Gavin Newsom in and pushing Kamala aside,
00:32:50.320 the Democrat Party would spontaneously explode if they pushed a black woman aside for a rich white man.
00:32:59.200 They're not going to do that. There is the number of people who can push Kamala aside in the Democrat
00:33:06.220 Party. It is a set of one, and the only one is Michelle Obama. She, too, is an African-American
00:33:11.760 woman. She could push Kamala aside. Look, the polling we've seen, where there was a poll that came out
00:33:18.060 this week that showed Michelle Obama with a double-digit lead over Donald Trump. She would be a very,
00:33:25.020 very dangerous candidate. If it's not Michelle Obama, if Michelle says no, she might. I hope she
00:33:32.580 says no. You know, I want to speak directly to Michelle. Hey, you're really rich. You're enjoying
00:33:36.820 the life of a movie star. Private jets are fun. The Hamptons are fun. You're palling around with people
00:33:42.500 who are famous with rock stars. You don't need to go to work. You don't need to bother yourself with
00:33:47.540 pushing a Marxist agenda to destroy America. Leave it to others to destroy America. You and your
00:33:53.400 family have done enough to damage the world. Enjoy the life of a gazillionaire. I don't know
00:33:59.340 that my pitch is persuasive, but I hope it is because it would be very good if she decides not
00:34:04.200 to run. If she does decide not to run, then I think the person that replaces Biden probably is Kamala
00:34:11.340 because I don't think anyone else can. I think Kamala is a really weak candidate. She is a very
00:34:18.680 unpopular vice president. There's a reason when she ran for president in 2020. She got zero delegates.
00:34:26.420 She couldn't even make it to Iowa and get any support. But if she becomes the nominee,
00:34:34.180 they probably plug someone in there as a VP to try to balance it. It wouldn't surprise me to see. I
00:34:40.640 could see Gavin Newsom as a VP to either Kamala Harris or to Michelle Obama. I think Gavin Newsom is
00:34:47.520 very much on the VP train. I could see a Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, as a VP to
00:34:55.180 either one of them as well. Both of those, I think, are real possibilities. But at the end of the day,
00:35:01.240 I think the only two nominees who have a credible chance of replacing Biden are Michelle Obama and
00:35:09.160 Kamala Harris. And if I were a Democrat, I'd be all in on Michelle because the polling shows she wins
00:35:14.760 and Kamala loses. Final two questions for you. One, when do you think the media has to stop this
00:35:22.320 onslaught of attacks on the president because they're going full court press? Is it another
00:35:26.300 week? And then they got to dial it back in case he does continue to be the nominee. They can't push
00:35:31.840 him out. And number two, how important is this primetime taped interview Friday night for Joe Biden's
00:35:40.420 future? Well, I mean, let me start with number two. The interview on Friday is very important.
00:35:48.780 If he goes and just craps the bed, that could be fatal. I think ABC and Stephanopoulos are going to do
00:35:58.280 everything they can to prevent that from happening. I think they're going to edit the heck out of the
00:36:03.420 interview. They should run it live. And anyone who cares, like ABC should be embarrassed about itself
00:36:09.640 that it's not running it live because their editing will be designed to create a false impression
00:36:16.000 to protect Joe Biden, to turn it into a campaign video. If they're a real journalistic outlet,
00:36:22.260 you know, when I do interviews, I do them live. And if I say something dumb, you know what? The camera
00:36:27.280 catches it and all the world can hear. And it's not ABC's job to be doing the PR and damage control
00:36:35.300 for the Democrats. But that's what they're doing. I think the interview matters a lot.
00:36:40.860 I also think it's interesting you're seeing Democrats publicly breaking ship. So Lloyd Doggett,
00:36:46.760 very liberal Democrat from Austin, Texas, became the first Democrat member of Congress to say the
00:36:52.780 president should step aside. Two others, Jared Golden of Maine and Marie Glusenkamp-Perez of Washington,
00:37:02.020 both Democrats, both said they believe Biden will lose in November. That's significant that you're
00:37:09.120 seeing elected Democrats coming out saying that. Another one, Seth Moulton, another Democrat from
00:37:17.320 Massachusetts, raised real questions about whether Biden can win. He said, quote,
00:37:22.540 I deeply respect President Biden and all the great things he's done for America, but I have grave
00:37:27.380 concerns about his ability to defeat Donald Trump. Winning will require prosecuting the case in the
00:37:33.080 media, in town halls, and at campaign stops all over the country. President Biden needs to demonstrate
00:37:38.520 that he can do that. The unfortunate reality is that the status quo will likely deliver us President
00:37:45.440 Trump. We're seeing that happening more and more and more. Now, your first question was,
00:37:50.900 how long will the media continue to attack? Listen, on the debate night, I predicted if this is going
00:37:57.400 to happen, it's going to shake out in 21 days. So we're a week into it. I think we have two more
00:38:03.140 weeks ahead of us. We will go into the Republican convention in two weeks. I think we'll know what
00:38:08.800 happens by then. A final point, and one that has not been discussed a great deal, I think all of this
00:38:15.260 drama impacts President Trump very significantly, and in particular, it impacts his vice presidential
00:38:21.880 choice. Trump is in the middle of presumably picking who he wants to be VP. Lots of names have
00:38:29.360 been floated. There are lots of short lists, lots of things discussing. Well, normally when you're
00:38:34.320 picking a VP candidate, you know who your opponent is. You know what you're fighting against.
00:38:39.120 In this instance, it's a very difficult situation for Trump because the kind of VP he might pick if
00:38:48.520 he's running against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris could be a very different VP than if he's running
00:38:55.500 against Michelle Obama. I think right now the Trump team is feeling incredibly confident. I think they
00:39:01.660 think they're going to win. They're going to beat Joe Biden. I think they're feeling on top of the
00:39:05.080 world. I can tell you if the news broke tomorrow that Biden was not the nominee anymore and it was
00:39:11.820 going to be Michelle Obama. The Trump team, if it were not at a major emergency mode level of this is
00:39:21.660 serious, then they'd be misreading the situation because Michelle Obama's the Democrat nominee is
00:39:26.700 incredibly dangerous and that could easily impact the vice presidential nominee. So for example, if it's
00:39:33.540 Michelle Obama, maybe Trump picks Tim Scott deciding that he wants to go fight and fight more
00:39:39.560 aggressively for African-American votes, that's one possible consideration that maybe that's a little
00:39:45.160 bit less of a consideration if Joe Biden is at the top of the ticket. So there are complicated
00:39:50.840 chess moves that are playing out right now because of the uncertainty of who's going to be the nominee.
00:40:00.160 We're going to keep covering it all. Don't forget we do this show Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays. We have
00:40:05.660 our weekend review on Saturday for what you may have missed during the week. We're going to be covering
00:40:09.800 this. We'll have a lot to say, I'm sure, after this interview on Friday night with the president and
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