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00:03:22.240 Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:03:24.520 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:03:25.820 Senator, nothing's ever perfect in politics.

00:03:29.640 There are some losses.

00:03:30.840 There are some dangers.

00:03:31.840 There are some threats.

00:03:33.500 This has been a good week. 0.95

00:03:34.800 It has been a damn good week. 0.62

00:03:37.140 The biggest win, 0.97

00:03:38.420 before we get into the case

00:03:39.760 that you are actually bringing

00:03:41.120 to the Supreme Court,

00:03:42.680 before we get into that,

00:03:43.800 before we get into the filibuster,

00:03:45.320 which lives, lives to see another day,

00:03:48.020 the OSHA mandate.

00:03:48.960 Yeah.

00:03:49.560 The Occupational Safety and Health Administration

00:03:51.660 was demanding that 84 million Americans

00:03:53.760 take the Fauci-ouchie,

00:03:55.400 as some of us call it,

00:03:56.220 the COVID vaccine.

00:03:58.620 Employers were enforcing it.

00:04:00.620 Some people brought a lawsuit.

00:04:02.620 One of the groups was the Daily Wire.

00:04:04.200 We bring a lawsuit,

00:04:05.560 and the Supreme Court strikes,

00:04:07.560 effectively strikes down the mandate.

00:04:10.460 Yeah.

00:04:10.660 No, it was a huge victory for the rule of law.

00:04:12.920 It was a very important case.

00:04:14.600 When the OSHA mandate came out,

00:04:16.400 we talked about it a lot on this podcast.

00:04:18.800 Your employer, the Daily Wire,

00:04:20.280 filed a lawsuit.

00:04:21.040 It was a party in the suit.

00:04:22.340 So we're actually sitting here,

00:04:23.640 both of us,

00:04:24.840 are parties in Supreme Court cases

00:04:27.220 this past week.

00:04:29.320 The OSHA case was huge.

00:04:31.140 And when it came out,

00:04:32.480 we had a podcast at the time

00:04:33.800 where we walked through the legal standards

00:04:35.620 for OSHA promulgating a rule like that.

00:04:38.720 And you'll recall,

00:04:39.860 we said on the pod,

00:04:41.000 we said,

00:04:42.260 number one,

00:04:43.000 we said the Supreme Court's going to strike it down.

00:04:44.880 And in fact,

00:04:45.460 when you and I talked about it,

00:04:46.620 when the case was being argued,

00:04:49.200 I said,

00:04:49.580 I think the decision will be 6-3.

00:04:51.260 I think there will be six votes

00:04:52.420 to strike it down

00:04:53.400 as beyond OSHA's statutory authority,

00:04:56.280 beyond the authority of the federal government.

00:04:59.460 And we also talked about Ron Klain,

00:05:02.040 who was the White House,

00:05:03.200 is the White House chief of staff, 1.00

00:05:04.900 who stupidly sent a tweet 0.99

00:05:07.500 right when the OSHA mandate issued, 0.99

00:05:10.680 where he retweeted

00:05:11.740 that this was a workaround

00:05:13.120 to get around the law.

00:05:15.700 And you'll recall,

00:05:16.620 I talked about,

00:05:17.300 I tweeted at the time

00:05:18.320 and said, 0.98

00:05:18.660 this was really dumb. 0.99

00:05:20.200 And I promise you, 0.99

00:05:21.620 number one,

00:05:23.320 this edict is going to be challenged.

00:05:25.700 Number two,

00:05:26.240 I believe it's going to be struck down in court.

00:05:28.260 And number three, 1.00

00:05:29.460 this idiotic tweet from Ron Klain 1.00

00:05:31.660 is going to be exhibit A in the lawsuit. 1.00

00:05:34.960 And the Supreme Court's decision,

00:05:36.600 6-3 striking it down,

00:05:37.900 what did they cite among other things?

00:05:39.540 Ron Klain's tweet.

00:05:40.400 This seems to be a workaround

00:05:42.240 and that's not legit.

00:05:43.660 So I read the opinion of the court.

00:05:46.360 I read the concurring opinion

00:05:48.400 of the court's conservatives,

00:05:50.320 the three,

00:05:51.040 Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch.

00:05:52.860 And I read the liberal dissent.

00:05:57.640 This is obviously all great news,

00:05:59.340 but it was a little confusing.

00:06:00.580 I'm not a lawyer.

00:06:01.560 I have no,

00:06:02.040 so they were,

00:06:02.880 they stayed the mandate

00:06:05.400 and then they sent the mandate

00:06:06.760 back to the lower court.

00:06:07.980 But okay,

00:06:08.360 so what does that mean?

00:06:08.920 So what they did

00:06:09.680 is they upheld the injunction.

00:06:11.160 So the mandate is enjoined.

00:06:12.520 An injunction is an order from a court

00:06:14.340 either to do something

00:06:15.740 or not to do something.

00:06:16.900 So the injunction

00:06:17.800 means the mandate

00:06:18.960 has no legal force.

00:06:20.440 Okay.

00:06:20.580 But they remanded it

00:06:22.240 to the lower court

00:06:23.560 to have a trial,

00:06:24.760 to consider the claims

00:06:26.140 challenging the mandate.

00:06:28.000 But the reason why

00:06:29.440 this is really good,

00:06:32.380 one of the grounds

00:06:33.540 for upholding the injunction

00:06:34.800 is likelihood of success

00:06:36.760 on the merits.

00:06:37.540 So six justices have said

00:06:39.320 the plaintiffs

00:06:40.360 are likely to succeed.

00:06:41.840 They haven't conclusively said

00:06:44.160 their claims are valid,

00:06:45.080 but they've said

00:06:45.800 they're likely to succeed

00:06:47.020 on the merits.

00:06:47.660 that the OSHA mandate

00:06:51.000 for all intents and purposes

00:06:52.500 is dead.

00:06:55.480 Unfortunately,

00:06:56.040 there was a second decision

00:06:57.220 that came out the same day.

00:06:59.020 And that second decision

00:07:00.840 was 5-4

00:07:03.080 upholding a different vaccine mandate,

00:07:05.600 the vaccine mandate

00:07:06.580 that the Biden administration

00:07:08.440 put on healthcare workers.

00:07:09.860 And it put on healthcare workers

00:07:11.700 in facilities

00:07:12.500 that are receiving federal funds

00:07:14.160 either through Medicare

00:07:15.540 or Medicaid.

00:07:16.080 and that was 5-4.

00:07:19.260 It consisted of

00:07:20.860 the three liberals

00:07:21.700 plus Chief Justice Roberts

00:07:23.500 plus Brett Kavanaugh

00:07:25.520 were the five.

00:07:27.660 And, you know,

00:07:28.440 we talked about before

00:07:29.720 the Supreme Court's decision

00:07:31.100 coming out of New York

00:07:32.000 with healthcare workers

00:07:33.060 where they had refused

00:07:34.600 to stay the decision

00:07:36.100 out of New York.

00:07:37.220 I think that was a mistake.

00:07:38.680 I think this was a mistake.

00:07:40.600 But, look,

00:07:42.100 the three libs,

00:07:43.200 they like all these mandates.

00:07:44.180 It's apparently that Biden

00:07:45.700 can mandate us

00:07:46.600 to do whatever we want

00:07:47.820 to dance on one leg

00:07:49.300 in a pink tutu

00:07:50.280 while singing Yankee Doodle Dandy.

00:07:52.740 The libs more or less

00:07:53.900 say that in the dissent.

00:07:55.360 They say there's basically

00:07:56.380 no limit to what the government

00:07:57.880 can do in this regard.

00:07:59.980 Roberts and Kavanaugh

00:08:01.440 on healthcare workers,

00:08:03.800 they're pretty comfortable

00:08:04.600 with the federal government

00:08:05.760 or the state government.

00:08:06.740 The New York case

00:08:07.380 was a state government issue.

00:08:08.620 Here it's the federal government.

00:08:09.640 But they're pretty comfortable

00:08:10.600 with the federal government

00:08:11.600 forcing state workers,

00:08:13.860 state healthcare workers

00:08:14.800 or just healthcare workers

00:08:15.940 generally,

00:08:16.640 who are receiving

00:08:17.820 government money

00:08:18.640 to have to

00:08:19.600 have to get vaccinated.

00:08:23.000 I think that was

00:08:23.580 a serious mistake.

00:08:24.820 I think they're undervaluing

00:08:26.380 the liberty interest

00:08:27.920 of these

00:08:29.020 these healthcare workers.

00:08:30.580 Because I had this question

00:08:31.560 when I saw Kavanaugh

00:08:32.720 squish

00:08:33.560 and flip to the other side.

00:08:34.920 I thought, well,

00:08:36.040 do do healthcare workers

00:08:37.360 not have the same rights

00:08:38.360 as every other employee?

00:08:39.720 So you remember,

00:08:40.220 we talked about

00:08:40.920 that there are four

00:08:41.660 different mandates

00:08:42.340 that came out.

00:08:43.040 There's a mandate

00:08:43.600 for military servicemen

00:08:46.440 and women. 0.98

00:08:46.980 There's a mandate

00:08:47.440 for civilian employees.

00:08:48.660 There's a mandate

00:08:49.060 for federal contractors.

00:08:50.140 There's a mandate

00:08:50.700 for private employers

00:08:52.040 with 100 or more employees

00:08:53.160 under OSHA.

00:08:53.880 Yeah.

00:08:54.520 And I said,

00:08:55.280 they're all in

00:08:56.580 descending likelihood

00:08:59.140 of surviving.

00:09:00.920 Yeah.

00:09:01.400 So the OSHA order

00:09:03.160 was always the most

00:09:04.440 vulnerable legally

00:09:05.240 because the OSHA statute

00:09:06.780 doesn't allow this.

00:09:08.200 This is really

00:09:09.680 a far stretch

00:09:12.300 from what Congress

00:09:13.060 intended on in OSHA,

00:09:14.360 which is why Ron Klain

00:09:15.300 called it a workaround.

00:09:16.360 Right.

00:09:17.680 To be fair,

00:09:18.780 the healthcare workers,

00:09:19.960 there's a stronger

00:09:20.740 statutory argument there.

00:09:22.100 The statutory language

00:09:22.980 is different

00:09:23.500 and so there is

00:09:24.320 a stronger argument.

00:09:25.460 I still think

00:09:26.140 that mandate

00:09:26.980 should have been

00:09:27.440 struck down as well.

00:09:29.260 But there is

00:09:30.900 a meaningful difference

00:09:32.360 in terms of

00:09:33.440 with OSHA,

00:09:36.220 they had zero legs

00:09:37.100 to stand on

00:09:38.000 with the healthcare workers.

00:09:39.320 They didn't even have

00:09:39.860 a leg,

00:09:40.440 but maybe they had a toe. 0.92

00:09:42.760 Fair enough.

00:09:43.540 Fair enough.

00:09:43.960 And still,

00:09:44.400 still basically a win.

00:09:46.280 Even if it was unfortunate

00:09:48.460 that the court

00:09:49.300 wouldn't go all the way

00:09:50.560 on this second case,

00:09:52.160 still a major win.

00:09:53.320 84 million Americans

00:09:54.280 don't need to be vaccinated

00:09:55.540 against their will.

00:09:56.260 Well,

00:09:56.540 and I got to say,

00:09:57.260 I take particular pride

00:09:58.720 because not only

00:09:59.340 did we predict

00:10:00.820 at every stage

00:10:01.920 what would happen

00:10:02.720 in this case

00:10:03.380 on the podcast,

00:10:04.980 but the lawyer

00:10:05.840 who argued the case

00:10:06.860 was my former chief counsel.

00:10:09.220 So it's a fellow

00:10:09.800 named Scott Keller.

00:10:10.740 He's a great guy.

00:10:12.900 Scott was actually

00:10:14.500 a student of mine.

00:10:15.420 So I met Scott

00:10:16.340 when I was teaching

00:10:17.240 at University of Texas

00:10:18.000 Law School

00:10:18.480 and he was a law student there.

00:10:21.000 I taught a seminar

00:10:21.800 on U.S. Supreme Court litigation

00:10:23.560 and he took the class.

00:10:27.200 He was excellent in the class,

00:10:28.640 did extraordinary.

00:10:29.360 I gave him an A plus

00:10:30.200 and then I didn't give

00:10:31.340 very many A pluses.

00:10:33.180 He graduated number one

00:10:34.960 in his class

00:10:35.580 at University of Texas Law School.

00:10:37.120 He went and clerked

00:10:37.980 on the Court of Appeals.

00:10:39.060 He clerked for Justice Kennedy

00:10:41.160 on the Supreme Court

00:10:42.160 and I recommended him for that.

00:10:45.880 And then when I,

00:10:46.520 several years later,

00:10:47.480 when I was elected

00:10:48.360 to the Senate,

00:10:49.560 I hired Scott

00:10:50.460 as my first chief counsel.

00:10:51.780 So when I showed up

00:10:52.940 a decade ago

00:10:53.880 in the Senate,

00:10:55.480 Scott,

00:10:55.820 we were down in the basement.

00:10:57.000 I'd just gotten here.

00:10:57.740 When you first get here,

00:10:58.580 you don't even have

00:10:58.960 a real office.

00:10:59.700 You're sort of

00:11:00.060 in temporary space

00:11:01.040 and you're just

00:11:01.560 trying to figure out everything.

00:11:03.420 So Scott spent

00:11:04.300 a couple of years with me

00:11:05.880 as my chief counsel

00:11:07.760 and then actually

00:11:08.560 came and quit.

00:11:10.220 And here's why I quit.

00:11:12.140 Because he'd been appointed

00:11:13.440 to be the Solicitor General

00:11:15.500 of Texas.

00:11:16.360 Not a bad gig.

00:11:17.400 And it's my old job.

00:11:18.400 It's a job I loved.

00:11:19.840 I did five and a half years.

00:11:21.240 And when Scott

00:11:22.500 gave his notice,

00:11:23.160 I was really sad.

00:11:24.560 Like I didn't want

00:11:25.140 to lose him

00:11:25.600 because he's

00:11:25.880 a really talented lawyer.

00:11:27.480 But I couldn't complain

00:11:28.880 because SG of Texas

00:11:30.800 is an amazing job.

00:11:34.000 And you get to argue cases.

00:11:35.380 You get to argue cases.

00:11:36.780 So Scott has now

00:11:37.520 argued more cases

00:11:38.320 than I did.

00:11:38.800 I argued nine cases.

00:11:40.640 He,

00:11:41.100 when he argued

00:11:42.180 his 10th case,

00:11:43.040 I called him that morning

00:11:44.140 and said,

00:11:44.480 all right, 1.00

00:11:44.720 screw you. 1.00

00:11:45.740 I just had to say 1.00

00:11:46.780 that as a former boss,

00:11:47.700 I had to like

00:11:48.220 throw that marker down.

00:11:49.160 So now I have to ask you,

00:11:50.200 obviously you're not

00:11:50.760 going to be arguing a case

00:11:52.220 before the Supreme Court

00:11:53.180 right now,

00:11:53.760 but are you bringing

00:11:55.560 this case before

00:11:56.480 the Supreme Court

00:11:57.100 just to beat

00:11:58.300 your old general counsel?

00:12:00.000 Well, no,

00:12:00.860 but there was a separate case.

00:12:02.580 So we're sitting here,

00:12:03.500 we're recording this

00:12:04.180 on Wednesday.

00:12:05.100 This morning,

00:12:06.660 the Supreme Court

00:12:07.720 heard an oral argument.

00:12:08.800 The very first case

00:12:09.940 was Federal Election

00:12:11.180 Commission

00:12:11.700 versus Ted Cruz.

00:12:12.740 and I am the plaintiff.

00:12:15.460 I have sued

00:12:16.100 the Federal Election Commission

00:12:17.280 seeking to strike down

00:12:19.940 a provision

00:12:20.700 of McCain-Feingold,

00:12:21.800 the big campaign

00:12:22.460 finance legislation.

00:12:23.840 It's a terrible piece

00:12:24.580 of legislation.

00:12:26.360 It has all sorts

00:12:27.440 of problems,

00:12:28.300 but at the heart of it,

00:12:30.320 McCain-Feingold

00:12:31.140 was all about

00:12:32.040 incumbent politicians

00:12:33.180 wanting to make it harder

00:12:34.900 for anyone to run

00:12:35.780 against them

00:12:36.320 and challenge them.

00:12:37.140 It was about

00:12:37.640 the one thing

00:12:38.480 Republicans and Democrats

00:12:39.560 could agree on

00:12:40.280 is nobody should beat us

00:12:42.060 in an election.

00:12:42.740 So McCain-Feingold

00:12:43.640 is throwing barriers

00:12:45.020 in the way of challenge.

00:12:45.880 This doesn't make sense,

00:12:46.780 though,

00:12:46.860 because I was reading

00:12:47.700 a lot of left-wing

00:12:48.520 news sources today

00:12:49.420 that were all telling me

00:12:50.880 about the case,

00:12:51.660 and they say that Ted Cruz

00:12:52.940 is bringing a lawsuit

00:12:54.680 before the Supreme Court

00:12:55.660 to make it easier

00:12:57.160 to bribe and corrupt politicians

00:12:59.860 and to make this swamp land

00:13:02.360 even swampier.

00:13:03.900 Are you telling me

00:13:04.580 that the left-wing media

00:13:05.320 got it wrong?

00:13:05.840 You're right.

00:13:06.260 That's every headline

00:13:07.320 is Cruz wants more bribery.

00:13:09.960 And even for the media,

00:13:11.400 that's a little dishonest.

00:13:12.680 So there were two provisions

00:13:14.620 of McCain-Feingold

00:13:16.280 that were called

00:13:16.800 the Millionaire's Amendment.

00:13:18.480 So incumbent politicians

00:13:20.600 hate anyone

00:13:21.720 that can challenge them.

00:13:23.480 They particularly hate

00:13:24.620 people who have money.

00:13:25.600 So if you get

00:13:26.200 a really rich person

00:13:27.020 that runs against you,

00:13:28.000 that's really problematic

00:13:29.140 because then they can run ads

00:13:30.360 and communicate

00:13:30.840 and you've got a problem.

00:13:32.120 So the Millionaire's Amendment,

00:13:33.360 half of it said

00:13:34.360 that if someone self-finances

00:13:36.600 and puts a whole bunch

00:13:37.360 of money into his own campaign,

00:13:38.880 that the federal limits

00:13:41.440 for the other guy

00:13:42.360 are tripled.

00:13:43.720 So instead of $2,900 a person,

00:13:45.720 it's nearly $9,000 a person.

00:13:48.660 And that's entirely designed

00:13:50.720 to benefit incumbents

00:13:52.740 and to discourage rich people

00:13:54.500 from running against them.

00:13:55.860 Well, the Supreme Court

00:13:56.700 a few years ago

00:13:57.460 struck that half

00:13:58.420 of the Millionaire's Amendment down

00:13:59.500 and said,

00:13:59.840 look, if someone decides

00:14:00.800 to run for office,

00:14:01.560 if they want to invest

00:14:02.400 their own resources

00:14:03.200 and speak,

00:14:04.380 you have a right to speech

00:14:05.420 and that means

00:14:06.280 spending your own money

00:14:07.520 to speak,

00:14:08.140 if you want to put

00:14:09.340 a billboard on the freeway,

00:14:10.560 if you want to run

00:14:11.040 a radio ad or a TV ad,

00:14:12.400 all of that is political speech.

00:14:14.280 So that was half

00:14:15.120 of the Millionaire's Amendment

00:14:15.940 that was struck down

00:14:16.620 several years ago.

00:14:18.100 The other half

00:14:19.080 of the Millionaire's Amendment

00:14:19.880 is what this case

00:14:20.640 is all about.

00:14:21.900 And it's a provision

00:14:23.100 that limits the ability

00:14:24.580 of a candidate

00:14:25.240 who's running for office

00:14:26.380 to loan money

00:14:27.720 to his own campaign.

00:14:28.860 So the way it works,

00:14:29.680 let's say Michael Knowles

00:14:31.220 wakes up and says,

00:14:32.080 I'm going to run for Congress.

00:14:33.520 And you'd say,

00:14:34.420 get this man to a psychiatrist

00:14:35.800 who's lost his mind. 0.99

00:14:37.540 But you're incurable.

00:14:38.920 And you say,

00:14:39.640 I'm going to run,

00:14:40.560 I'm taking on AOC,

00:14:42.140 I'm moving to New York.

00:14:43.220 My old district.

00:14:44.160 We're going

00:14:44.800 and I'm going to win.

00:14:45.780 Now, if you're starting,

00:14:48.000 you know,

00:14:48.240 you may not have

00:14:49.620 a lot of supporters.

00:14:50.520 You're not an incumbent politician.

00:14:51.940 You don't have lobbyists

00:14:52.780 probably supporting you.

00:14:53.700 You don't have the infrastructure

00:14:54.940 that an incumbent has.

00:14:56.400 So what a lot of people do

00:14:58.180 if they launch a campaign

00:14:59.400 is they loan themselves

00:15:01.080 some money.

00:15:01.940 So they have some money,

00:15:03.020 some savings,

00:15:03.680 and they put some money

00:15:04.460 in to start the campaign.

00:15:06.400 What McCain-Feingold said

00:15:08.020 is if you loan your,

00:15:09.380 if you loan your own money

00:15:10.700 to your campaign,

00:15:11.980 after the election,

00:15:14.680 you can only pay yourself back

00:15:17.020 up to $250,000 of it.

00:15:19.400 Okay.

00:15:20.460 Anything above $250,000

00:15:22.540 with money that is raised

00:15:24.000 after the campaign,

00:15:25.140 you can't pay back

00:15:26.140 and you're just stuck.

00:15:28.340 And by the way,

00:15:29.220 when you talk,

00:15:30.160 especially about

00:15:30.680 competitive districts,

00:15:32.060 these campaigns

00:15:33.380 can cost millions

00:15:34.380 and millions of dollars.

00:15:35.700 So $250,000

00:15:37.100 is not as much

00:15:38.220 as it sounds like.

00:15:39.160 So, and what this

00:15:40.000 is designed to do

00:15:41.120 is it's designed

00:15:42.700 to disincentive

00:15:43.780 challengers.

00:15:44.820 So, look,

00:15:45.620 if you're a gazillionaire,

00:15:46.580 and by the way,

00:15:46.980 we're seeing more and more

00:15:47.760 billionaires running for office.

00:15:49.220 If you're a billionaire,

00:15:50.500 you don't care.

00:15:51.320 You can put $5, $10,

00:15:52.500 $20 million

00:15:53.000 into your campaign.

00:15:54.040 You don't matter.

00:15:54.440 You're so rich,

00:15:55.000 it doesn't make a difference.

00:15:55.660 You never need it back.

00:15:56.440 So, this is not

00:15:57.440 a disincentive

00:15:58.760 to the super rich.

00:15:59.860 Yeah.

00:16:00.660 And we're actually seeing

00:16:02.300 more and more billionaires

00:16:03.560 who are running for office

00:16:04.580 because they have

00:16:05.340 the massive money.

00:16:06.780 What this is an incentive to

00:16:08.340 is the small business owner.

00:16:09.980 What this is an incentive to

00:16:11.080 is the doctor.

00:16:11.960 This is the somewhat rich.

00:16:13.520 It's not the super rich,

00:16:14.380 it's the somewhat.

00:16:14.940 Who has enough money

00:16:16.080 that you could invest

00:16:17.100 a substantial amount of money.

00:16:18.560 You could invest

00:16:19.380 $500,000.

00:16:20.900 You can invest a million dollars.

00:16:22.120 You've saved.

00:16:22.920 You put your money

00:16:23.780 in the bank.

00:16:24.280 You've saved.

00:16:25.160 And you can invest the money

00:16:26.200 in a congressional race

00:16:27.180 if you could put

00:16:27.760 $500,000 or a million.

00:16:29.300 That gives you a real shot

00:16:30.780 at communicating.

00:16:32.320 This is designed

00:16:33.300 to punish that guy

00:16:34.280 and say,

00:16:34.680 well, you know what?

00:16:35.420 Let's say you worked hard.

00:16:37.640 You're a physician.

00:16:38.780 You've got a million dollars

00:16:39.620 in the bank.

00:16:40.280 You loan it to the campaign.

00:16:41.920 You spent every penny

00:16:43.240 of it on the campaign.

00:16:44.980 You can pay back $250,000

00:16:46.960 and $750,000 of it.

00:16:48.940 Tough luck, Michael.

00:16:49.860 You have given it

00:16:50.800 to the United States of America.

00:16:52.740 You don't get it back.

00:16:53.660 And so that's what

00:16:55.780 the existing law is.

00:16:57.140 And so what I did in 2018

00:16:58.480 is I loaned my campaign

00:17:01.660 $260,000.

00:17:03.740 Now, that's a very specific number,

00:17:05.640 Senator.

00:17:06.100 It is.

00:17:07.000 It's $10,000 more

00:17:08.300 than the limit.

00:17:09.640 So I loaned my campaign

00:17:11.020 $260,000 right before the election

00:17:13.160 and then 20 days after the election.

00:17:15.380 A little bit later than that,

00:17:16.720 I repaid myself $250,000,

00:17:19.060 which is what you're allowed to do.

00:17:20.080 So there's $10,000

00:17:21.180 that under the law,

00:17:23.160 it's illegal for me

00:17:23.940 to pay myself back.

00:17:25.580 And I did that

00:17:26.940 in order to file this lawsuit.

00:17:28.740 Now, as I was just reading it,

00:17:30.580 obviously you can tell it better

00:17:31.960 because you were there.

00:17:33.160 The lawyer for the government

00:17:35.200 is saying that

00:17:36.240 this case should be dismissed.

00:17:37.680 It should be thrown out

00:17:38.360 because you obviously

00:17:39.780 were doing something

00:17:41.100 that you knew was against the law.

00:17:42.280 You were just trying

00:17:42.720 to trigger this court case.

00:17:44.340 Yeah, that was an argument

00:17:45.360 that the Biden Justice Department made.

00:17:47.420 That's a really weak argument.

00:17:49.000 So if you look at,

00:17:50.160 there are lots of cases

00:17:51.280 that are test cases,

00:17:52.700 that if there's an illegal

00:17:53.800 or unconstitutional law,

00:17:55.380 you're allowed to challenge it

00:17:57.580 and you're allowed to violate that law

00:18:01.960 to challenge it.

00:18:02.940 You're allowed to create the facts.

00:18:05.320 And there are literally

00:18:06.820 hundreds of test cases

00:18:08.540 where people,

00:18:10.260 you know,

00:18:11.980 if the government makes it illegal

00:18:15.260 for Michael Knowles

00:18:17.680 to defend the right to life.

00:18:20.340 Yeah.

00:18:20.980 You know, the government said,

00:18:22.240 well, you chose to say it.

00:18:23.540 You chose to violate it.

00:18:24.900 You could have just obeyed.

00:18:26.260 Why didn't you?

00:18:26.880 Yeah.

00:18:27.160 So dismiss the case.

00:18:28.380 Right.

00:18:28.580 Or it's out of here.

00:18:29.160 And so that argument

00:18:30.080 is not going to go anywhere.

00:18:32.120 I'll say the argument,

00:18:33.180 I think, went well.

00:18:33.960 I hope so.

00:18:35.480 The lawyer who argued it

00:18:37.020 is a guy named Chuck Cooper,

00:18:38.360 who is a very close friend of mine.

00:18:40.720 He was my first boss

00:18:41.760 when I came out of my clerkship.

00:18:43.500 And so I clerked

00:18:46.020 for Chief Justice William Rehnquist

00:18:47.320 on the Supreme Court.

00:18:49.180 I came out of the clerkship in 1997

00:18:51.220 and I joined Chuck

00:18:52.620 at what was then

00:18:53.420 a tiny little law firm

00:18:54.740 that was called Cooper and Carvin.

00:18:56.780 And it was Chuck Coopers,

00:18:57.920 Mike Carvin.

00:18:59.140 Law firm had six lawyers in it.

00:19:00.920 It was all of nine months old.

00:19:02.800 And Chuck had been also a clerk for Rehnquist.

00:19:05.660 So he was a former Rehnquist clerk.

00:19:07.540 He's one of the top

00:19:08.540 Supreme Court litigators in the country.

00:19:09.940 And he was my first boss.

00:19:11.120 And so I went to work for him

00:19:13.160 to learn how to be a lawyer.

00:19:14.960 He really taught me

00:19:16.540 how to be a lawyer.

00:19:18.980 And so he's representing me

00:19:20.500 in this case.

00:19:21.000 And he's a dear, dear friend.

00:19:23.560 He did a terrific job.

00:19:25.440 And I will say, look,

00:19:26.700 it's never absolutely clear

00:19:30.980 how a case is going to come out.

00:19:32.220 I think on the merits,

00:19:33.960 there are clearly

00:19:34.760 a majority of justices

00:19:36.140 who agree that this provision

00:19:38.060 is unconstitutional.

00:19:39.600 Okay.

00:19:40.880 The Department of Justice

00:19:42.120 is trying to raise

00:19:43.080 lots of procedural issues

00:19:44.740 that basically are saying,

00:19:46.320 don't get to the merits.

00:19:47.560 Don't address

00:19:48.200 whether the law is constitutional.

00:19:50.420 And so they're throwing

00:19:51.540 a lot of muck in the air

00:19:52.680 trying to say,

00:19:53.460 avoid the actual question

00:19:54.820 of the lawsuit.

00:19:55.440 I hope the court doesn't do that.

00:19:56.660 I hope they actually

00:19:57.480 answer the question.

00:19:59.480 Because this provision

00:20:00.940 really is designed,

00:20:03.720 and by the way,

00:20:04.340 if you look at the proponents of it,

00:20:05.900 if you look at Harry Reid,

00:20:06.880 you look actually

00:20:07.360 Kay Bailey Hutchison,

00:20:08.380 my predecessor in the Senate,

00:20:09.760 they got up and said,

00:20:11.300 this is to make it harder

00:20:12.560 for people to challenge us.

00:20:13.960 This is all about

00:20:15.160 protecting incumbents

00:20:16.860 and protecting the super wealthy,

00:20:19.520 the billionaires,

00:20:20.460 and it's about hurting

00:20:22.220 the small business owner,

00:20:24.740 the doctor,

00:20:25.540 the entrepreneur,

00:20:26.400 the person who wants

00:20:27.240 to run for Congress

00:20:28.100 because they want to be

00:20:28.800 Mr. Smith going to Washington.

00:20:30.580 They want to challenge the swamp.

00:20:32.300 So what's the swamp want to do?

00:20:33.820 Make it a lot harder

00:20:34.720 to challenge the swamp.

00:20:35.580 Now, speaking of incumbent senators

00:20:37.380 who are desperately

00:20:38.320 trying to hold on to power,

00:20:40.240 there has been a major push

00:20:42.280 from the Biden administration

00:20:44.280 and the Democrat senators

00:20:45.520 and Chuck Schumer

00:20:46.180 to get rid of the filibuster.

00:20:49.280 Before they lose their elections,

00:20:50.820 which increasingly,

00:20:51.640 it looks like,

00:20:52.100 is going to happen in November,

00:20:54.080 they are trying to

00:20:55.360 get through any legislation,

00:20:57.140 and they can't do that right now

00:20:58.060 because they don't have enough votes

00:21:01.040 to get through the 60-vote threshold.

00:21:03.540 And I think,

00:21:04.740 you know it more closely than I do,

00:21:07.420 I think that the attempt

00:21:08.820 to kill the filibuster

00:21:09.760 is just as dead as the OSHA mandate.

00:21:12.280 Am I right?

00:21:14.020 Hopefully, yes,

00:21:14.840 and I think you are.

00:21:15.900 Okay.

00:21:16.180 So you and I were recording this

00:21:18.140 Wednesday late afternoon.

00:21:20.280 As soon as we finish recording this,

00:21:22.360 I'm going to get up,

00:21:23.180 literally in a half hour,

00:21:24.320 I'm going to be on the Senate floor,

00:21:25.760 and we're having

00:21:26.420 the filibuster fight tonight.

00:21:28.180 So I have not yet had that battle,

00:21:29.840 but in about half hour, we will.

00:21:32.360 What is going to happen

00:21:33.780 is that Chuck Schumer

00:21:35.960 is going to file cloture

00:21:37.860 on their federal election

00:21:40.200 takeover legislation.

00:21:42.300 Cloture takes 60 votes.

00:21:44.700 It's going to fail.

00:21:46.480 He will probably get all the Democrats.

00:21:48.200 It'll probably be 50-50,

00:21:49.580 but it will fail

00:21:51.140 because 50 is not 60.

00:21:54.120 They then, I think,

00:21:55.380 will yabber a while

00:21:56.340 because they want to make us

00:21:57.440 listen to them yabber.

00:21:58.380 And then what he's going to do

00:22:01.400 likely is file a motion

00:22:03.340 to reconsider,

00:22:05.760 and he will challenge,

00:22:08.080 he will inquire of the chair

00:22:09.780 whether it takes 50 or 60 votes

00:22:13.020 to proceed to cloture.

00:22:15.600 The chair will reject his claim.

00:22:17.820 We'll say it takes 60,

00:22:19.620 assuming the chair follows the law.

00:22:21.220 Right.

00:22:21.480 In which case,

00:22:24.860 Schumer will move to appeal.

00:22:27.440 He will appeal the ruling of the chair.

00:22:29.740 That's what's called the nuclear option.

00:22:31.480 So the rules of the Senate,

00:22:33.480 they're written down.

00:22:34.540 They're in a book.

00:22:34.980 We all have that book in our desks.

00:22:36.500 You have the rules of the Senate.

00:22:37.640 The rules of the Senate say

00:22:38.560 cloture takes 60 votes.

00:22:39.860 That's literally black and white

00:22:41.240 typed in the type of the rules.

00:22:42.860 Now, you can change the rules of the Senate.

00:22:44.760 Right.

00:22:44.980 To change the rules of the Senate

00:22:46.640 takes 67 senators.

00:22:48.340 So it's a higher threshold.

00:22:49.560 67 senators can agree

00:22:50.880 to change the rules of the Senate.

00:22:52.840 They don't have 67 senators.

00:22:55.220 There is one other way to do it,

00:22:56.780 and it's what's called the nuclear option.

00:22:58.980 So Schumer will appeal

00:23:00.440 the ruling of the chair.

00:23:02.760 Any ruling of the chair can be appealed.

00:23:05.780 To overturn the ruling of the chair

00:23:07.920 just takes 50 votes.

00:23:10.120 Takes a majority.

00:23:11.080 Doesn't take 60.

00:23:12.000 And then the Senate is weird.

00:23:13.180 If the ruling of the chair is overturned,

00:23:16.660 that becomes a precedent.

00:23:19.300 And they actually keep a book

00:23:20.200 of all the precedents of the Senate.

00:23:22.320 And that precedent has the same force

00:23:24.920 as the rules written on paper.

00:23:27.060 So in other words,

00:23:28.280 if Schumer succeeds,

00:23:31.240 he will break the rules of the Senate

00:23:33.000 in order to change the rules of the Senate.

00:23:35.780 So now you'll have these two rules

00:23:37.600 written down on the paper,

00:23:38.640 and the new one beats the old one.

00:23:40.280 Right.

00:23:40.580 And the new one is just a precedent.

00:23:41.880 It's just a majority of the Senate

00:23:44.080 voted that this is now the rules,

00:23:45.640 so the old ones written on the paper

00:23:47.060 don't matter anymore.

00:23:47.960 Right.

00:23:48.720 Now, the good news is,

00:23:50.120 I think the odds are extremely likely,

00:23:53.220 hopefully certain,

00:23:55.040 that Schumer's going to fail.

00:23:56.700 And the reason for that

00:24:00.000 is that there are two senators,

00:24:02.380 two Democrats,

00:24:02.920 who have been explicit saying

00:24:04.300 they're not going to participate

00:24:05.300 in nuking the filibuster.

00:24:07.820 Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema.

00:24:09.720 Kyrsten Sinema last week

00:24:10.780 gave a speech on the Senate floor.

00:24:12.180 I was sitting on the floor.

00:24:13.040 I heard her speech

00:24:13.740 where she drew a line and said,

00:24:16.320 I will not do this.

00:24:17.680 This will destroy the Senate.

00:24:18.960 It will destroy bipartisanship.

00:24:20.520 Mind you,

00:24:21.780 one of the illustrations

00:24:22.700 of just how nasty and partisan

00:24:26.140 ending the filibuster

00:24:27.180 would make the Senate,

00:24:28.620 that same week,

00:24:30.560 Joe Biden was down in Georgia

00:24:32.260 giving this racist, 0.97

00:24:36.760 nasty, divisive speech, 0.99

00:24:39.320 partisan speech. 0.92

00:24:40.300 He called half the country

00:24:41.840 Bull Connor racists.

00:24:44.000 He called every Republican in America 0.84

00:24:45.720 a Bull Connor racist.

00:24:47.140 He called Joe Manchin.

00:24:48.220 Literally, by the way.

00:24:48.760 He literally said,

00:24:49.480 you are like Bull Connor.

00:24:50.760 You are like George Wallace.

00:24:52.400 It was hateful.

00:24:53.960 Now, set aside the irony

00:24:55.100 that Bull Connor

00:24:55.800 and George Wallace

00:24:56.780 were Democrats.

00:24:58.280 Set aside the irony

00:24:59.300 that Joe Biden

00:25:00.180 literally gave a eulogy

00:25:01.840 at Robert Byrd's funeral

00:25:03.720 and an exalted Cyclops,

00:25:06.360 the Ku Klux Klan.

00:25:08.260 So if anyone has no standing

00:25:10.820 to be on his high horse

00:25:12.020 on racial grounds,

00:25:13.400 it's Joseph Biden.

00:25:16.340 What?

00:25:17.140 That kind of speech

00:25:18.620 is just,

00:25:21.700 not only do they not want

00:25:23.360 any Republicans,

00:25:24.640 Susan Collins is too conservative

00:25:26.120 for them,

00:25:26.520 Mitt Romney is too conservative

00:25:27.780 for them.

00:25:28.860 Now they don't even want Democrats.

00:25:30.880 Manchin and Sinema,

00:25:32.420 today you've got Bernie Sanders

00:25:34.240 talking about he's going to support

00:25:35.740 primary challengers

00:25:37.000 to Manchin and Sinema.

00:25:39.060 And Chuck Schumer said

00:25:39.960 he didn't know if he would support

00:25:41.200 his own caucus.

00:25:42.900 It is ugly.

00:25:47.080 Assuming Sinema and Manchin

00:25:48.640 don't blink,

00:25:49.340 and I don't think they will

00:25:50.500 at this point.

00:25:51.040 If it was just one of them,

00:25:52.240 the rest,

00:25:52.640 I would be more nervous.

00:25:53.780 Right.

00:25:54.260 With the two of them,

00:25:55.260 I'm hoping each bucks

00:25:56.540 the other up.

00:25:57.300 And just as a matter

00:25:58.180 of practical politics,

00:26:00.460 person-to-person politics,

00:26:01.500 the Democrats seem to be doing

00:26:03.020 everything they can

00:26:04.240 to irritate Manchin and Sinema,

00:26:07.420 chasing them into bathrooms

00:26:09.620 and filming them.

00:26:10.840 Well, I've got to say

00:26:11.460 with Manchin,

00:26:12.280 you know,

00:26:12.480 come on in,

00:26:12.940 the water's warm.

00:26:14.000 As I told Joe

00:26:15.140 several weeks ago,

00:26:16.440 you know,

00:26:16.680 one of the two parties

00:26:17.460 actually likes you.

00:26:18.580 Right, right.

00:26:20.640 Now you want to,

00:26:21.380 so, but,

00:26:23.180 the odds are very,

00:26:24.760 very high

00:26:25.280 that tonight

00:26:26.080 Schumer will fail.

00:26:28.380 To be honest,

00:26:28.960 this is performance theater

00:26:30.180 for Schumer's primary

00:26:31.700 in New York

00:26:32.360 that he doesn't want

00:26:33.240 AOC to primary him.

00:26:34.200 So he's trying to appease

00:26:35.760 the radical left

00:26:36.720 by failing tonight.

00:26:38.220 So he's setting it up

00:26:39.040 to fail tonight.

00:26:39.660 It'll be interesting

00:26:40.260 to see if Kamala Harris

00:26:41.420 is in the seat

00:26:42.120 as a presiding officer.

00:26:43.320 My bet is she will be

00:26:44.440 because, you know,

00:26:45.620 if you're going to have

00:26:46.100 a big failure,

00:26:46.680 you do need Kamala

00:26:47.540 to preside over it.

00:26:48.560 And that's literally-

00:26:49.680 It's just fitting.

00:26:51.420 It's the way they think.

00:26:53.000 Yeah.

00:26:53.140 It is all about 0.96

00:26:54.500 appease the crazy left. 0.76

00:26:57.540 This is going to fail tonight, 0.64

00:26:58.940 but you want to hear

00:26:59.640 something really ironic?

00:27:02.480 Okay,

00:27:02.880 so we were supposed

00:27:03.540 to be on recess this week. 0.97

00:27:05.980 Schumer is a terrible

00:27:06.940 majority leader.

00:27:07.640 He doesn't actually know

00:27:08.220 how to run the Senate,

00:27:09.020 and so he had to, like,

00:27:10.160 cancel the recess

00:27:10.760 and come back

00:27:11.420 to do this performance theater

00:27:13.060 and failed night.

00:27:14.780 I actually,

00:27:15.560 on my flight out here today,

00:27:17.180 Rand Paul was on the flight

00:27:18.780 because he was called back

00:27:19.760 and had to vote on this.

00:27:20.540 And we're all here.

00:27:21.360 Every Republican

00:27:21.920 has to be here.

00:27:24.400 You know,

00:27:24.960 if they could knock

00:27:25.940 one of us off,

00:27:26.600 they could win

00:27:27.020 this filibuster fight.

00:27:27.920 So we're like,

00:27:29.100 you know,

00:27:29.900 you know,

00:27:30.180 we've got tasters right now.

00:27:31.200 Put it over your shoulder.

00:27:32.220 Right.

00:27:34.980 It's,

00:27:35.540 for two weeks,

00:27:38.520 they've given speeches

00:27:40.460 about how the filibuster

00:27:43.120 is a Jim Crow relic 0.95

00:27:46.740 from racist times.

00:27:48.860 The filibuster is evil.

00:27:50.600 Do you know what

00:27:53.100 the very last thing

00:27:55.240 the Democrats did was

00:27:56.940 for today?

00:27:58.380 No,

00:28:00.320 no,

00:28:00.660 I have no idea,

00:28:02.260 Senator.

00:28:02.560 Let me,

00:28:03.060 the last thing

00:28:03.880 the Democrats did

00:28:04.840 last week

00:28:06.820 was filibuster

00:28:09.340 my bill

00:28:11.360 sanctioning Russia,

00:28:14.000 sanctioning Nord Stream 2.

00:28:15.380 Now,

00:28:15.480 we've talked a lot

00:28:16.100 about Nord Stream 2.

00:28:17.000 You know,

00:28:17.340 if they didn't have

00:28:18.480 double standards,

00:28:19.540 they would have

00:28:20.460 no standards at all.

00:28:23.300 Literally,

00:28:24.140 as they're giving speeches,

00:28:25.620 the filibuster is racist.

00:28:26.940 Let's filibuster this.

00:28:27.780 Like,

00:28:28.220 simultaneously.

00:28:30.840 And I gotta say,

00:28:31.920 it was amazing.

00:28:32.560 So this vote,

00:28:33.640 the vote we had last week

00:28:34.780 was a big,

00:28:35.600 big deal on Nord Stream 2.

00:28:36.900 So this is

00:28:37.520 about this pipeline,

00:28:39.500 and it's really about

00:28:40.220 the future of Ukraine

00:28:41.400 vis-a-vis Russia

00:28:42.480 and vis-a-vis the West.

00:28:43.480 Yeah,

00:28:43.680 so the history of it,

00:28:45.340 we've talked a lot

00:28:46.220 about Ukraine

00:28:46.960 on this show.

00:28:48.940 We started off

00:28:49.780 two years ago

00:28:50.780 with impeachment

00:28:52.460 and Ukraine

00:28:53.180 and Burisma,

00:28:53.920 and we talked about

00:28:54.460 how Ukraine

00:28:55.040 used to be part

00:28:55.680 of the Soviet Union.

00:28:56.460 And when the Soviet Union

00:28:58.200 collapsed,

00:28:58.740 Ukraine became

00:28:59.380 an independent nation.

00:29:01.120 Ukrainians don't like 1.00

00:29:02.020 the Russians. 0.94

00:29:02.600 The Russians want 1.00

00:29:03.300 to control and dominate

00:29:04.420 Ukraine

00:29:05.020 and many of their neighbors,

00:29:06.460 most of their neighbors.

00:29:07.980 And Putin,

00:29:09.240 look, 0.99

00:29:09.480 Putin is a KGB thug. 0.96

00:29:11.520 He has said 0.96

00:29:12.540 one of the most candid

00:29:13.500 things he's ever said

00:29:14.560 is he's said

00:29:16.000 that he thinks

00:29:16.480 the greatest

00:29:17.020 geopolitical disaster

00:29:18.360 of the 20th century

00:29:19.500 was the dissolution

00:29:21.000 of the Soviet Union.

00:29:21.840 And so Putin

00:29:23.600 longs

00:29:25.120 to reassemble

00:29:26.340 the Soviet Union

00:29:27.180 and have Russia.

00:29:28.400 He wants Soviet 1.00

00:29:29.440 greatness again.

00:29:30.820 And if you're

00:29:31.780 reassembling

00:29:32.320 the Soviet Union,

00:29:33.160 there's nothing

00:29:33.600 you want more

00:29:34.220 than Ukraine.

00:29:34.940 Ukraine is

00:29:35.520 the breadbasket.

00:29:37.940 Now,

00:29:39.140 Putin has invaded

00:29:40.180 Ukraine before.

00:29:41.200 He did it in 2014.

00:29:42.540 Remember Crimea?

00:29:43.400 That's part of Ukraine.

00:29:45.260 Putin marched in

00:29:46.120 and invaded it

00:29:46.760 and took it over.

00:29:47.620 And kept it.

00:29:48.360 And kept it.

00:29:48.940 But he stopped.

00:29:51.580 He didn't continue

00:29:52.820 invading Ukraine.

00:29:53.740 He stopped short.

00:29:55.140 Why did he stop short?

00:29:56.940 Well,

00:29:57.240 the reason is

00:29:58.240 that right now

00:30:00.440 Russia's major export 1.00

00:30:02.020 is natural gas and oil.

00:30:03.520 That's,

00:30:03.640 that's,

00:30:04.500 Putin is basically 0.98

00:30:05.360 a petro tyrant. 0.97

00:30:07.700 And to get

00:30:08.740 his natural gas

00:30:09.760 to Europe,

00:30:10.500 who's the major

00:30:11.120 consumer of it,

00:30:12.520 it goes through

00:30:13.220 pipelines that go

00:30:14.140 right through Ukraine.

00:30:15.380 So Putin's sitting there

00:30:16.680 going,

00:30:16.960 well,

00:30:17.020 if I march into Ukraine,

00:30:18.300 they could damage

00:30:20.700 or destroy those pipelines.

00:30:22.060 And if they damage

00:30:22.760 or destroy those pipelines,

00:30:24.440 suddenly Russia 0.86

00:30:25.500 can't get the gas

00:30:26.560 to Europe 0.88

00:30:27.080 and we're screwed. 0.99

00:30:28.760 So Putin was mad 0.99

00:30:29.880 because he's like,

00:30:30.600 I want to invade them,

00:30:32.040 but they've got

00:30:32.480 a stranglehold

00:30:33.300 on our ability

00:30:33.840 to get gas to Europe.

00:30:35.120 So suddenly,

00:30:36.440 I can't invade them.

00:30:38.500 So what did he do?

00:30:39.480 The next year,

00:30:41.240 Putin launched

00:30:41.940 a project

00:30:42.440 called Nord Stream 2.

00:30:43.720 And it was,

00:30:44.360 let's build

00:30:44.660 an undersea pipeline

00:30:45.760 that skips Ukraine 0.99

00:30:47.580 all together

00:30:48.140 goes under the ocean

00:30:49.120 and goes straight

00:30:49.760 from Russia to Germany.

00:30:51.340 And that pipeline,

00:30:52.600 once it's complete,

00:30:53.420 we don't have to worry

00:30:54.000 about Ukraine

00:30:54.580 and the energy infrastructure.

00:30:55.580 We can march in

00:30:56.220 and take it over

00:30:56.880 because we can get

00:30:57.720 our gas to Europe.

00:30:59.240 Well,

00:30:59.620 two years ago,

00:31:00.340 I introduced bipartisan

00:31:01.260 legislation to stop it.

00:31:04.040 Passed it through Congress,

00:31:05.320 Trump signed it into law,

00:31:06.300 and we stopped the pipeline.

00:31:07.220 We won.

00:31:08.220 The pipeline was dead,

00:31:09.840 buried,

00:31:10.400 stopped,

00:31:10.980 kaput 0.81

00:31:11.360 for over a year.

00:31:12.960 Then Joe Biden

00:31:14.600 came into office

00:31:15.380 and Biden surrendered.

00:31:18.760 He capitulated

00:31:19.580 to Putin.

00:31:21.080 Putin began

00:31:22.080 rebuilding the pipeline

00:31:23.280 literally on January 24th,

00:31:26.500 2021.

00:31:27.220 I'm glad he took

00:31:27.760 a nice long weekend,

00:31:28.920 you know,

00:31:29.120 a few days

00:31:29.820 and then starts up again.

00:31:30.940 Four days after

00:31:31.540 Biden's sworn in.

00:31:33.080 So the pipeline

00:31:34.280 right now

00:31:35.020 is completed,

00:31:37.300 so Putin has finished it

00:31:38.360 because Biden

00:31:39.000 formally waived

00:31:39.900 the sanctions.

00:31:40.400 But it's still awaiting

00:31:43.220 certification in Europe,

00:31:44.400 so they can't turn it on

00:31:45.460 until the regulatory agents

00:31:46.540 have certified it yet.

00:31:49.680 And so I introduced

00:31:51.040 legislation

00:31:51.620 to reimpose

00:31:52.480 the sanctions,

00:31:53.120 to overturn

00:31:53.860 Biden's surrender

00:31:55.420 to Putin.

00:31:57.420 Now,

00:31:58.360 twice I've introduced

00:31:59.300 legislation like this before,

00:32:01.280 and twice it's passed

00:32:02.800 essentially unanimously.

00:32:04.440 Every Democrat

00:32:05.520 has supported it twice.

00:32:08.120 We had a big battle

00:32:09.200 in December.

00:32:09.740 I was holding

00:32:10.900 dozens of State Department

00:32:12.880 nominees.

00:32:13.840 We're there till

00:32:14.640 one in the morning.

00:32:15.440 I'm negotiating

00:32:16.000 with Chuck Schumer.

00:32:16.760 I said,

00:32:17.060 all right,

00:32:17.220 I'm going to lift

00:32:17.820 32 holes,

00:32:19.760 let these nominees

00:32:20.460 go through

00:32:21.040 in exchange

00:32:22.640 for scheduling

00:32:23.320 the vote on Nord Stream 2

00:32:24.340 that we had

00:32:24.680 just last week.

00:32:26.120 Schumer gave in,

00:32:26.880 scheduled the vote.

00:32:27.440 They did not want that vote.

00:32:28.760 The Biden White House

00:32:29.780 was lobbying against it

00:32:30.920 like crazy.

00:32:31.740 Because even if

00:32:32.980 the Democrats

00:32:33.580 win the vote,

00:32:34.740 then they're all

00:32:35.460 on the record

00:32:36.000 of saying,

00:32:36.500 Ukraine,

00:32:37.140 see you later.

00:32:37.780 That's exactly right.

00:32:38.900 And they,

00:32:40.000 for two years,

00:32:41.860 had been squarely

00:32:44.620 against Nord Stream 2.

00:32:46.720 This is a vote

00:32:47.540 when Trump was president,

00:32:50.580 every Democrat

00:32:51.100 was for these sanctions.

00:32:52.460 The only thing,

00:32:53.020 there's two things

00:32:53.600 that are different.

00:32:54.640 Number one,

00:32:55.660 instead of a Republican

00:32:56.700 with an R behind his name,

00:32:58.100 a president

00:32:58.780 with an R behind his name,

00:33:00.100 there's a president

00:33:00.880 with a D behind his name.

00:33:01.940 Now that it's a Democrat,

00:33:03.840 suddenly the Democrats

00:33:04.660 support Russia.

00:33:05.460 And number two,

00:33:07.200 there are over

00:33:07.640 100,000 troops

00:33:08.660 on the border of Ukraine.

00:33:10.780 Any day now,

00:33:12.080 we could see

00:33:12.700 the Ukrainian invasion

00:33:13.920 by Russia.

00:33:16.140 And they have to do it

00:33:17.640 in about the next month

00:33:18.660 or so,

00:33:19.240 because as we get

00:33:20.600 into the spring,

00:33:21.520 the land starts to thaw

00:33:22.980 and the Russian tanks

00:33:24.260 get stuck in the mud.

00:33:25.380 So their window

00:33:26.400 to invade

00:33:27.220 is narrow.

00:33:28.480 But we voted on it.

00:33:31.960 It was amazing.

00:33:32.800 We ended up,

00:33:34.060 so I won the vote,

00:33:36.260 won a substantial

00:33:37.800 bipartisan majority

00:33:39.180 of the Senate.

00:33:39.920 The vote was 55

00:33:41.180 to 44.

00:33:43.520 So every Republican

00:33:45.320 voted yes

00:33:46.040 except Rand Paul,

00:33:46.940 and Rand Paul

00:33:47.380 pretty much opposes

00:33:48.180 all sanctions.

00:33:49.020 So I got all Republicans

00:33:50.260 but Rand.

00:33:51.720 And on the Democratic side,

00:33:54.260 six Democrats voted with me.

00:33:55.960 So it was 55 to 44.

00:33:59.600 It was a big

00:34:00.180 bipartisan majority.

00:34:01.180 We're not living

00:34:01.700 in a particularly

00:34:02.320 bipartisan era,

00:34:03.760 so that's impressive.

00:34:05.340 Now,

00:34:06.320 55

00:34:06.820 is not 60.

00:34:09.200 And so the Democrats

00:34:10.540 filibustered and said,

00:34:11.440 you don't have 60,

00:34:12.100 you don't get to pass it.

00:34:13.680 Now,

00:34:14.540 here's another

00:34:15.340 interesting thing.

00:34:17.460 There are a number

00:34:18.280 of Democrats

00:34:18.820 who are in vulnerable elections

00:34:20.280 who are on the ballot

00:34:21.800 in November.

00:34:23.420 Every single Democrat

00:34:25.000 in a vulnerable election

00:34:26.980 in November

00:34:27.560 voted with me.

00:34:30.200 So,

00:34:31.160 Mark Kelly in Arizona

00:34:32.340 voted for my sanctions

00:34:34.000 on Russia.

00:34:35.300 Catherine Cortez Masto

00:34:36.420 in Nevada

00:34:36.900 voted for my sanctions

00:34:38.240 in Nevada,

00:34:39.060 on Russia.

00:34:40.700 Maggie Hassan

00:34:41.700 in New Hampshire

00:34:42.780 voted for my sanctions

00:34:43.960 against Russia.

00:34:45.440 Even Raphael Warnock,

00:34:46.760 one of the most liberal

00:34:47.580 senators in the Senate,

00:34:49.780 voted for my sanctions

00:34:50.760 against Russia

00:34:51.800 because he didn't want

00:34:53.760 to tell the voters

00:34:54.540 of Georgia in November,

00:34:56.200 yeah,

00:34:56.400 I voted to support Putin

00:34:57.680 because I'm a Democrat.

00:34:58.920 Right.

00:35:01.380 We got six Democrats.

00:35:02.800 You know who we didn't get?

00:35:04.780 Manchin or Sinema.

00:35:06.040 Huh.

00:35:07.640 They're doing enough.

00:35:08.560 So,

00:35:09.300 what was amazing,

00:35:11.800 the day of the vote,

00:35:14.000 Biden came to the Capitol.

00:35:16.320 He had lunch

00:35:17.260 with all the Democratic senators

00:35:19.460 the day of the vote

00:35:20.480 and Joe Biden

00:35:22.100 was personally

00:35:23.280 lobbying

00:35:23.980 the Democratic senators

00:35:25.180 to vote against

00:35:26.320 Cruz's sanctions

00:35:27.200 on Russia.

00:35:27.760 Wow.

00:35:28.580 And so,

00:35:29.300 it's actually,

00:35:29.960 I mean,

00:35:30.120 you said it tongue-in-cheek,

00:35:31.180 but it's actually true.

00:35:31.940 I just think Manchin

00:35:32.700 and Sinema felt

00:35:33.320 they couldn't

00:35:34.480 stand up to the White House

00:35:36.060 and anything else.

00:35:36.640 They were getting so pounded

00:35:37.920 on everything else. 1.00

00:35:38.660 We've killed your

00:35:39.280 legislative agenda,

00:35:40.520 so we'll let you

00:35:41.780 And look,

00:35:42.480 I didn't like that

00:35:43.260 they voted no,

00:35:44.040 but I'll give them

00:35:45.280 a mulligan

00:35:45.800 because they are

00:35:47.200 saving the republic

00:35:48.060 on other sides.

00:35:49.040 Yeah.

00:35:49.660 But the Democrats

00:35:50.700 are literally,

00:35:52.340 literally,

00:35:53.180 this is not hyperbole,

00:35:54.420 they are literally

00:35:55.280 acquiescing

00:35:56.260 in Russia

00:35:58.060 wiping Ukraine 0.74

00:35:59.280 off the map.

00:35:59.800 So they're,

00:36:00.400 you might say

00:36:01.100 they are thumbing

00:36:02.020 their nose

00:36:02.580 at Ukraine,

00:36:04.620 which raises one,

00:36:05.720 I know we have

00:36:06.420 to let you get

00:36:06.980 to the Senate

00:36:07.460 to go vote,

00:36:08.360 but it does raise

00:36:09.140 one very important story

00:36:10.400 that involves

00:36:11.740 a victory and a loss.

00:36:13.800 You won a basketball game,

00:36:15.920 you lost the use

00:36:17.640 of your thumb.

00:36:19.920 True enough,

00:36:20.880 and by the way,

00:36:21.560 that's quite the segue.

00:36:23.700 Let me just say,

00:36:26.080 if the president of Yale

00:36:28.140 ever sees that segue,

00:36:30.240 they will revoke your degree.

00:36:31.500 They've been trying for years.

00:36:32.660 Well, that's true.

00:36:35.280 They would revoke your degree

00:36:36.440 for many other reasons

00:36:37.400 before then,

00:36:38.080 so that's probably

00:36:38.900 the least of your sins

00:36:40.500 on that front.

00:36:41.520 So yeah,

00:36:41.860 so I broke my thumb.

00:36:43.580 You don't have a cast on.

00:36:44.760 So I don't,

00:36:45.360 I've got a splint,

00:36:46.060 but you can take it off.

00:36:46.960 Okay.

00:36:47.320 So I was playing Friday,

00:36:50.300 I play basketball

00:36:51.240 about twice a week,

00:36:52.060 and so Friday,

00:36:54.140 because Schumer

00:36:54.980 doesn't know how

00:36:55.840 to run the Senate,

00:36:56.600 we were still around,

00:36:57.620 and so I was playing

00:36:58.220 Friday morning,

00:36:59.220 and I play,

00:37:01.180 a lot of times

00:37:01.740 other senators play,

00:37:02.960 but I play every week

00:37:04.620 with my staff.

00:37:05.360 We've got some good,

00:37:05.880 good ball players.

00:37:06.640 We've got a couple of guys

00:37:08.120 who played college basketball,

00:37:09.420 a couple of guys

00:37:09.860 who played college football,

00:37:11.140 so we're playing.

00:37:12.040 You actually have invited me

00:37:13.860 to this game.

00:37:14.740 I did make sure

00:37:15.800 I was busy that day

00:37:16.840 so that I did not

00:37:17.720 humiliate myself on the court.

00:37:19.180 So I have joked

00:37:20.500 that our game

00:37:21.620 is more violent

00:37:22.740 than skillful,

00:37:24.060 and it is.

00:37:24.940 I mean,

00:37:25.100 we play no blood,

00:37:25.980 no foul,

00:37:26.820 and there are regularly fouls,

00:37:28.280 so there is regularly blood,

00:37:29.900 and so in this instance,

00:37:32.100 I was going up

00:37:33.200 for a rebound,

00:37:34.260 and the culprit

00:37:35.360 is a guy

00:37:36.940 who was a law clerk

00:37:37.520 in our office.

00:37:38.520 You'll appreciate this

00:37:39.740 as a New Yorker.

00:37:40.460 His name is Tony.

00:37:41.820 He's from New York.

00:37:43.060 I imagine.

00:37:44.380 He is a great guy,

00:37:46.660 hardworking,

00:37:48.560 conservative law student,

00:37:50.440 but he's from Brooklyn,

00:37:52.680 and he played

00:37:54.180 street ball in Brooklyn,

00:37:55.980 and he,

00:37:56.320 Tony from Brooklyn,

00:37:57.260 in every respect,

00:37:59.380 so I went up

00:38:00.100 for a rebound,

00:38:00.960 and he came down

00:38:02.240 like a ton of bricks

00:38:04.060 on my thumb

00:38:05.560 and broke it

00:38:06.560 right across there,

00:38:07.600 so I had an x-ray today,

00:38:09.660 and they're like,

00:38:10.060 actually,

00:38:10.380 yesterday I had an x-ray,

00:38:11.280 they're like,

00:38:11.600 yep,

00:38:11.940 that's a fracture.

00:38:13.560 So you lost

00:38:15.460 a little bit

00:38:15.920 of the use of your thumb,

00:38:16.820 but you did win the game.

00:38:19.240 I did,

00:38:20.040 and we actually

00:38:20.820 finished the game,

00:38:22.560 terrifyingly enough,

00:38:25.040 with the broken thumb.

00:38:26.380 I tried to shoot,

00:38:27.820 and I couldn't,

00:38:28.280 I mean,

00:38:28.600 it really hurt to shoot.

00:38:30.100 This is not quite

00:38:31.000 at the level

00:38:31.480 of Teddy Roosevelt

00:38:32.340 getting shot

00:38:33.100 and finishing his speech,

00:38:34.440 but same principle.

00:38:35.560 But I will say this,

00:38:36.680 I did score a layup

00:38:37.700 with a broken thumb

00:38:38.400 because I could use

00:38:39.020 my four fingers,

00:38:39.780 I just stuck my thumb

00:38:40.580 off to the side

00:38:41.320 and did a little scoop layup,

00:38:42.840 so I even scored

00:38:44.760 a bucket

00:38:45.680 with a broken thumb.

00:38:46.360 It's a physical lesson,

00:38:47.420 it's a political lesson,

00:38:48.320 no pain,

00:38:49.280 no gain,

00:38:50.020 sometimes you have to make

00:38:50.720 some sacrifices

00:38:51.580 for the wins.

00:38:52.580 I hope you get a win

00:38:53.320 tonight.

00:38:54.760 Before we go,

00:38:56.220 you might remember

00:38:57.020 on the 100th episode

00:38:58.660 of Verdict

00:38:59.240 that we announced

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00:39:02.520 actually a series

00:39:03.420 of contests,

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00:39:05.640 for people

00:39:06.300 who commented,

00:39:07.220 an opportunity maybe

00:39:08.220 to come out

00:39:08.860 and see some other

00:39:10.360 wonderful prizes as well.

00:39:12.120 Well, now,

00:39:12.500 because this is the

00:39:13.140 two-year anniversary

00:39:14.360 of Verdict with Ted Cruz,

00:39:16.180 we have the winners

00:39:17.880 because we all want

00:39:18.800 to celebrate.

00:39:19.240 Here to introduce

00:39:20.720 those winners,

00:39:22.120 our very own Liz Wheeler.

00:39:23.400 Thank you for having me.

00:39:24.320 I don't like to think

00:39:24.940 of this as giving away

00:39:25.700 free stuff, though.

00:39:26.320 This is earned merchandise.

00:39:28.060 Yes.

00:39:29.360 Our community here

00:39:30.480 earned this

00:39:31.720 by being part of what we do.

00:39:32.900 No handouts.

00:39:33.920 Oh, yeah,

00:39:34.280 we hit these benchmarks,

00:39:35.260 by the way,

00:39:36.000 most of them,

00:39:36.900 and we're going to do

00:39:37.400 the fun stuff anyway.

00:39:38.120 We hit these benchmarks,

00:39:38.940 which is awesome.

00:39:39.860 On YouTube,

00:39:40.560 we said 10 people

00:39:42.180 commenting on episode 100

00:39:43.300 would get a free box

00:39:44.220 of merch,

00:39:44.660 you know,

00:39:44.820 the sweet cactus hat,

00:39:46.240 the laptop stickers,

00:39:47.560 the t-shirts.

00:39:48.040 1,500 people commented.

00:39:49.760 Wow.

00:39:50.480 That's pretty good.

00:39:50.760 That's pretty good, right?

00:39:51.460 Yeah.

00:39:51.980 I think that's incredible.

00:39:52.880 So here are the winners.

00:39:53.940 Ken Melber Jr.,

00:39:55.020 you won.

00:39:56.180 Metaveria,

00:39:56.780 you won.

00:39:57.340 Stefan Diaz,

00:39:58.080 you won.

00:39:58.580 Shelley Carter,

00:39:59.260 you won.

00:39:59.660 Philip Paxton,

00:40:00.760 Driving Fritz,

00:40:01.860 I assume that's

00:40:02.320 a username, right?

00:40:03.480 Thomas Lusty,

00:40:04.480 Dr. Rigg,

00:40:05.280 Mark Erdman,

00:40:06.360 Safe Spot,

00:40:07.220 Andrew Clark,

00:40:08.360 Megadeth Till Death,

00:40:09.940 another username.

00:40:11.100 Still counts.

00:40:11.840 Todd Cole,

00:40:12.740 Mary Fleshman,

00:40:13.520 and Cosmic Carosella.

00:40:15.620 These are the winners.

00:40:16.160 By the way,

00:40:17.020 some parents actually

00:40:18.100 named their child

00:40:19.000 Little Megadeth.

00:40:20.220 Yeah.

00:40:20.800 He or she may be

00:40:21.540 very upset right now.

00:40:22.440 I think that's Slavic.

00:40:23.900 I don't know.

00:40:24.140 Thank you.

00:40:24.900 So we will reach out

00:40:25.920 to each and every one of you

00:40:27.000 to give you your merch here.

00:40:29.580 And I want to see pictures.

00:40:30.740 I want to see pictures

00:40:31.320 of everybody wearing this merch.

00:40:32.840 So that's on YouTube.

00:40:33.940 Then on Verdict Plus,

00:40:36.200 this is maybe

00:40:36.920 the most fun one.

00:40:37.760 We said that

00:40:38.700 a member of Verdict Plus,

00:40:40.140 the Verdict Plus community,

00:40:41.160 will win an all-access trip

00:40:43.040 to come and see us

00:40:43.860 on the road

00:40:44.420 on college campuses.

00:40:45.540 Well, we have a winner here.

00:40:46.600 This is an Italian name.

00:40:47.720 Michael, you can tell me

00:40:48.220 if I'm butchering this.

00:40:49.460 Puzoli.

00:40:50.460 Let me see.

00:40:53.060 I would say,

00:40:54.540 your pronunciation was beautiful.

00:40:56.220 He's going to tell me

00:40:56.700 I'm wrong.

00:40:56.960 I would say

00:40:57.680 you need a little more,

00:40:59.000 you know,

00:40:59.280 you get the face down.

00:41:01.320 Puzoli.

00:41:02.040 Puzoli?

00:41:02.620 Puzoli.

00:41:03.040 Signor Puzoli.

00:41:04.680 Well, Mr. Puzoli,

00:41:06.320 you have won a trip

00:41:07.340 to see Verdict live.

00:41:08.720 That's pretty awesome.

00:41:09.320 We will reach out to you.

00:41:10.060 And then,

00:41:10.800 this is my favorite one,

00:41:11.900 and I am going to bias this poll.

00:41:13.540 We are going to post this

00:41:15.100 on the Verdict Plus community.

00:41:17.000 That's verdictwithtedcruz.com

00:41:18.560 slash plus

00:41:19.320 because everyone needs

00:41:20.420 to vote in this.

00:41:21.620 For this upcoming year,

00:41:23.720 there's going to be

00:41:24.500 a community-based competition

00:41:27.680 or shenanigans,

00:41:28.960 if you will.

00:41:29.480 And this is what

00:41:29.900 you're going to vote on.

00:41:30.660 I'm not taking part in this.

00:41:31.620 I'm just going to enjoy it.

00:41:32.540 You guys will have to do this.

00:41:33.960 Should, for an episode of Verdict,

00:41:35.320 the senator wear a Braves jersey?

00:41:37.440 It's option number one.

00:41:38.320 Option number two,

00:41:38.860 should there be

00:41:39.180 an arm wrestling match

00:41:40.180 between Michael and the senator?

00:41:42.760 I think we all know

00:41:43.240 how that would end.

00:41:45.160 Should the real truth cactus

00:41:46.800 be a special guest on the show?

00:41:48.640 I think that's a good option.

00:41:49.860 Or should there be

00:41:50.440 a throwdown episode

00:41:51.440 trash-talking

00:41:52.300 Yale versus Princeton? 0.98

00:41:54.240 That could go on for hours.

00:41:55.880 That could go on for hours.

00:41:57.040 So this poll will be posted

00:41:58.100 on, again,

00:41:58.820 verdictwithtedcruz.com

00:41:59.900 slash plus.

00:42:01.200 Can I tell you

00:42:01.820 which one I want to see?

00:42:02.920 Which one?

00:42:03.320 Well, I'm going to vote

00:42:03.960 for the arm wrestling.

00:42:04.680 You're going to vote

00:42:05.160 for the arm wrestling.

00:42:05.580 And who do you think

00:42:06.200 is going to win?

00:42:06.580 Michael, don't ask questions

00:42:08.660 you don't want to know

00:42:09.180 the answer to.

00:42:09.680 I'm really polite.

00:42:10.540 Thank you.

00:42:10.820 You can vote in it.

00:42:11.960 Now look,

00:42:12.580 Michael may now be engaged

00:42:13.640 now that I have a broken thumb.

00:42:15.100 He may suddenly feel

00:42:17.220 he's seized an advantage.

00:42:19.680 Providence has smiled upon me.

00:42:21.920 Thank you very much.

00:42:22.920 Well, congratulations

00:42:23.440 to all of the winners.

00:42:24.800 Thank you to everyone

00:42:25.540 who has tuned in

00:42:26.220 for two years.

00:42:27.900 Two years of verdict.

00:42:30.100 It's wonderful.

00:42:30.660 We look forward

00:42:31.180 to a whole lot more episodes

00:42:32.600 with you.

00:42:33.600 And we look forward

00:42:34.340 to arm wrestling.

00:42:35.880 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:42:37.160 This is Verdict

00:42:37.740 with Ted Cruz.

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