Verdict with Ted Cruz - September 08, 2025


Proof that Biden Admin Targeted Christians plus Tucker Spirals Out of Control


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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is joined by Ben Ferguson (D-VA) to discuss a new report from a task force tasked with eradicating anti-Christian bias within the Department of Justice. They discuss how the government targeted Christians under the Joe Biden administration, and how to protect yourself and your loved ones when riding in ridesharing services.

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
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00:00:05.580 Welcome.
00:00:06.160 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:08.940 It is very nice to have you with us.
00:00:10.280 By the way, this episode is also going to be up on YouTube as well.
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00:00:19.760 We've got a lot, Senator, to talk about, including this headline.
00:00:22.760 The Department of Justice Task Force finds, quote, numerous instances of anti-Christian
00:00:30.120 government bias under the Biden administration.
00:00:33.720 This is a massive story, basically, about the government going after Christians.
00:00:39.680 Well, the facts are deeply disturbing.
00:00:42.960 During the Biden administration, we saw the federal government target people of faith,
00:00:46.820 but in particular, believing Christians.
00:00:48.620 Believing Christians were persona non grata under the Biden administration.
00:00:52.760 And when President Trump came in, he created a task force chaired by Attorney General Pam
00:00:58.020 Bondi, looking at instances of religious discrimination within our government.
00:01:02.900 This was the preliminary report from that task force detailing how multiple government
00:01:08.220 agencies under the Biden administration targeted Christians for persecution.
00:01:13.700 We're going to break all that down.
00:01:15.380 We're also going to talk about a very sad development, which is the spiral down of Tucker
00:01:19.940 Carlson.
00:01:20.460 Tucker Carlson continues to get more and more extreme.
00:01:24.820 And this week, he decided to say that he wanted to apologize to Osama bin Laden's family.
00:01:31.720 And he also said, astonishingly enough, that he didn't know if Hamas was a terrorist organization.
00:01:36.760 He's just asking questions.
00:01:38.340 Gosh, what has Hamas ever done to us?
00:01:41.020 It really is sad to see what has happened to someone who used to be a conservative stalwart.
00:01:46.060 He used to be not nuts.
00:01:47.400 All that on today's pod.
00:01:49.760 If you've ever listened to the show before, you know I'm a big advocate for the Second
00:01:53.740 Amendment.
00:01:54.220 And I've shared on numerous occasions how carrying a firearm literally saved my life from a gang
00:01:59.020 related attack.
00:02:00.100 But many of you out there may not feel comfortable carrying a firearm.
00:02:03.200 Maybe you have a loved one that's just not comfortable.
00:02:05.880 They need a way to protect themselves.
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00:02:21.260 And I'm here with Josh Sherrard from Burna to tell us how carrying a Burna when taking
00:02:26.060 a rideshare could be a really good idea.
00:02:29.040 Josh, what has your team learned about safety and ridesharing?
00:02:33.340 So recently a story has broke about rideshare, including Burna and Lyft, about the fact that
00:02:38.440 they haven't been reporting nearly as many attacks between drivers and riders as previously
00:02:43.140 believed.
00:02:44.100 And unfortunately, some of these are as serious as sexual assaults, major assaults that are
00:02:49.400 putting people in the hospital.
00:02:51.300 So what we know is that there has to be something done in order to improve the safety from drivers
00:02:57.060 and riders on both ends.
00:02:59.200 And unfortunately, Uber doesn't allow guns to be carried by riders in their cars.
00:03:03.580 So we're looking at trying to find better ways to improve that safety so that when you're
00:03:08.420 riding in a rideshare, you understand that you're going to get from point A to point B
00:03:11.820 and be able to do it safely.
00:03:13.640 And unfortunately, a lot of the rideshare policies out there are not allowing riders
00:03:18.580 to carry weapons inside the vehicle.
00:03:21.020 But a Burna is something you can use.
00:03:23.380 Absolutely.
00:03:23.940 There's explicitly stated in their policy that they do not allow riders to carry firearms
00:03:28.560 in their cars.
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00:03:38.300 stay safe in these rideshares.
00:03:39.520 Look, I got one.
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00:03:58.800 Senator, let's get started with this story.
00:04:01.280 And this task force that was put together to eradicate anti-Christian bias in our government
00:04:07.280 is actually chaired by the Attorney General Pam Bondi.
00:04:11.160 And what they have found is under the Biden administration, they weaponized the, quote,
00:04:15.760 full wave of the federal government against Christians.
00:04:17.640 That, according to Trump's leadership, they laid out a new report where there are numerous
00:04:22.960 instances of past anti-Christian bias and recommendations to protect faith in America,
00:04:29.440 especially when it comes to our federal government going after people of faith.
00:04:33.840 Well, as you noted, Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, chairs this task force.
00:04:37.740 We've had Pam Bondi as a guest on this podcast right at the beginning of her tenure.
00:04:42.460 And let's break down what the task force found.
00:04:46.800 Here's what Fox News reports.
00:04:48.680 Quote, the Biden administration weaponized the full weight of the federal government against
00:04:53.500 Christians, according to Trump leadership, laying out in a new report the numerous instances
00:04:58.980 of anti-Christian bias and recommendations to protect faith in America.
00:05:05.140 This report, the task force had a clear mandate to ensure that, quote, any unlawful and improper
00:05:13.120 conduct, policies, or practices that target Christians are identified, terminated, and rectified.
00:05:20.920 And here's what the task force says in the overview.
00:05:23.900 The damage that can be done when religious liberty is not protected and preserved for
00:05:29.640 all Americans, the task force makes this commitment.
00:05:34.420 The federal government will never again be permitted to turn its power against people of faith.
00:05:41.900 Under President Trump and Attorney General Bondi's leadership, in partnership with all members
00:05:46.600 of this task force, the rule of law will be enforced with vigor, and every religion will
00:05:52.960 be treated with equality in both policy and action.
00:05:57.820 And the report adds, the days of anti-Christian bias in the federal government are over.
00:06:04.900 Faith is not a liability in America.
00:06:07.440 It is a liberty.
00:06:09.800 And I want to go through, there are numerous instances of anti-Christian bias that the report
00:06:13.900 lays out.
00:06:15.280 The report concludes, Joe Biden weaponized the full weight of the federal government against
00:06:19.420 Christians and trampled on their fundamental First Amendment rights. 1.00
00:06:24.320 The task force founded the Department of Defense, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,
00:06:31.180 and the Department of Labor all, quote, deprioritized, mishandled, or denied requests for religious
00:06:39.060 exemptions to the Biden administration's COVID-19 mandate.
00:06:42.560 So that's one aspect, where you had believing Christians that wanted an exception to the 0.55
00:06:46.560 COVID mandate, and the Biden administration, if you're a Christian, you need not apply.
00:06:52.120 The task force also found that the Department of Education under the Biden administration,
00:06:58.220 quote, attempted to impose record-breaking fines on some of the nation's largest Christian
00:07:06.400 universities, including Liberty University, $14 million, and Grand Canyon University, $37.7
00:07:15.360 million.
00:07:15.960 Well, by the way, let's just stop there and talk about Liberty University so people understand
00:07:19.700 the history of Liberty.
00:07:21.420 Liberty University has been a front and center university that is of Christian faith, Christian
00:07:27.500 values, Christian students.
00:07:29.300 They have had many, by the way, political people come there to speak, conservatives, obviously,
00:07:35.000 among those.
00:07:35.940 That is a clear attack on that university, trying to hurt that university, in my opinion.
00:07:40.400 Your thoughts?
00:07:41.540 Look, as you know, in 2016, when I ran for president, I launched my presidential campaign
00:07:47.580 at Liberty University, speaking at that convocation in March of 2015.
00:07:53.020 It was incredible.
00:07:53.980 We had about 10,000 students there.
00:07:56.320 Liberty is a tremendous institution, but it is a Bible-believing, evangelical Christian 0.97
00:08:02.100 university.
00:08:03.420 And to the Biden administration, that meant it was an enemy.
00:08:06.260 That meant it was someone to be persecuted, to be targeted.
00:08:09.940 And this pattern of animus, it really combines two things.
00:08:14.280 One, the deep distrust and hatred of evangelical Christians, with two, the weaponization of government,
00:08:22.620 the willingness of the Biden administration to say, we've got the Department of Justice,
00:08:27.320 we've got the FBI, we've got the Department of Labor, we've got the Department of Education,
00:08:31.300 we've got the IRS, we are going to use government to go after our enemies.
00:08:35.980 That is a pattern we saw for four years.
00:08:38.740 I'm really glad this task force is laying out the results, because the results, but by the
00:08:43.940 way, the Department of Homeland Security, here's what the task force found, that Customs and
00:08:48.720 Border Protection, omitted Christian perspectives from a directive for detainees, but deliberately
00:08:56.320 noted accommodations for Islam, sects of Judaism, and Rastafarianism.
00:09:02.640 In other words, under the Biden administration, if you're a Rastafarian, yeah, man, that was
00:09:07.740 fully protected.
00:09:08.960 Yeah.
00:09:09.540 But God forbid you're a Bible-believing Christian. 1.00
00:09:13.060 They never heard of you.
00:09:14.100 Sorry, no one here, no one, new number, who this?
00:09:18.320 Yeah, well, and you look at this, and it goes back to, there were a lot of, I think, suspicions,
00:09:22.740 right?
00:09:23.460 And the suspicions were that the administration was anti-Christian.
00:09:26.960 If you brought it up, of course, everybody in the media was like, that's absurd, that's
00:09:29.840 absurd.
00:09:30.480 We're now getting the documentation to show that, yes, these groups and organizations,
00:09:34.840 universities that actually felt like they were clearly being targeted were right and now
00:09:40.600 vindicated.
00:09:41.160 The question is, how do we make sure this doesn't happen again?
00:09:44.060 That's part of what Pam Bondi and the Trump administration are trying to accomplish here.
00:09:48.380 One of the most powerful tools is sunlight.
00:09:51.360 And one of the things that I've urged Pam Bondi, I've urged just about every Department
00:09:55.280 of Justice official who's been confirmed, I've urged Kash Patel, the head of the FBI,
00:10:00.940 is engage in radical transparency.
00:10:03.220 I've urged Bobby Kennedy at HHS, engage in radical transparency.
00:10:06.980 Shine a light on what the Biden administration did, make it public. 0.95
00:10:11.620 Look, much of this abuse of power, it's like cockroaches. 0.92
00:10:15.800 It thrives in the darkness. 0.60
00:10:17.380 It thrives when it is hidden.
00:10:19.160 There is power to just shining a light on it.
00:10:21.620 And by the way, if anyone violated the law, if anyone committed a criminal act, they ought
00:10:26.120 to be prosecuted.
00:10:26.960 That's the next step of this inquiry.
00:10:29.520 But the very first thing is just exposing it.
00:10:31.720 So, for example, let's take a law, the FACE Act, the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances
00:10:37.420 Act.
00:10:38.620 The task force found that the Department of Justice under the Biden administration arrested
00:10:43.920 and convicted approximately two dozen individuals under the FACE Act for praying and for demonstrating
00:10:51.240 outside abortion facilities.
00:10:52.620 And let me stop and repeat that.
00:10:54.400 They arrested approximately two dozen individuals for praying.
00:10:58.420 That was deemed a criminal offense, praying and demonstrating.
00:11:04.400 Well, there is that whole thing called the First Amendment of the United States Constitution,
00:11:09.320 the First Amendment that protects the right to free speech, but not under Joe Biden.
00:11:13.340 If your speech was in defense of the right to life, if your prayer was in defense of the
00:11:19.840 right to life, they viewed you as a criminal defendant.
00:11:22.480 And yet the way the FACE Act is written, it is written to protect the right of access to
00:11:30.460 an abortion clinic, but it is also designed to protect the right of access to places of
00:11:35.940 worship and crisis pregnancy centers.
00:11:39.480 Here's what the report founded.
00:11:41.120 They would not enforce it for churches or crisis pregnancy centers.
00:11:45.100 It was a pure double standards.
00:11:47.460 If their politics agreed with you, then bring out the jackboots. 0.95
00:11:51.940 If you're a little old lady praying, get ready to be in handcuffs. 1.00
00:11:55.920 But if it's a church, if it's a pregnancy access center, by the way, we saw radical pro-abortion
00:12:02.120 forces firebombing pregnancy access centers.
00:12:05.660 And yet the Department of Justice did no arrests.
00:12:09.020 It was simply not a priority.
00:12:11.820 At the same time, the task force lays out that at the FBI, the FBI specifically targeted
00:12:21.240 quote, radical traditionalist Catholics as domestic terrorism threats.
00:12:28.940 As Treasury, the task force points out that many quote, pro-Christian groups have been debanked.
00:12:38.280 This was a pattern across the board.
00:12:41.140 The State Department, quote, limited humanitarian relief to Christians relative to other populations
00:12:48.860 and offered muted response to attacks on Christians compared to other groups.
00:12:53.680 And at the State Department, the task force said it discovered evidence that, quote, preferential
00:12:58.820 employment practices were afforded for those of non-Christian religions while Christian
00:13:05.400 employees, quote, were disfavored.
00:13:08.580 And it continues to say it was particularly concerning that employees were less likely
00:13:12.740 to be permitted leave for observation of certain Christian holidays as opposed to non-Christian
00:13:19.020 holidays.
00:13:20.700 All right.
00:13:21.340 So you hear that, Senator.
00:13:22.720 And then here comes the million dollar question.
00:13:24.760 We've exposed it, right?
00:13:26.000 That's great news.
00:13:26.860 We found it.
00:13:27.560 Is there going to be any accountability?
00:13:28.780 Now, I asked that question also asking this.
00:13:32.860 The task force says they had a clear mandate, again, Pambani in charge, to ensure, quote, that
00:13:38.040 any unlawful and improper conduct, policies or practices that, number one, target Christians,
00:13:45.640 they're identified, then terminated.
00:13:48.680 And then they say it will be, quote, rectified.
00:13:51.140 So I hear that.
00:13:52.760 I'm actually a little bit hopeful.
00:13:54.380 Does that mean, and I want you to put your lawyer hat on here, does that mean that there
00:13:59.360 is a real chance people could actually not only lose their job, but actually be charged
00:14:03.160 with crimes?
00:14:05.360 Well, I very much hope so.
00:14:06.800 The first step is just transparency, making it public, cataloging it, giving specific instances,
00:14:13.180 which this report, this report's a preliminary report.
00:14:15.680 They're planning to put out a more fulsome report with extensive details, and as much
00:14:22.080 as they can catalog it and build a public record, that is valuable.
00:14:25.880 It is important not just to have it abstract, but to identify who the decision makers were.
00:14:32.280 Some of those decision makers are going to be political appointees from the Biden administration
00:14:36.600 who are gone, who are out of office.
00:14:39.140 Other decision makers are going to be career government employees who eagerly participate
00:14:45.660 in the persecution of Christians.
00:14:48.480 At a very minimum, any career federal government employee who persecuted Christians should be
00:14:54.420 terminated.
00:14:55.140 They should lose their job.
00:14:57.100 It is important for that to be a firing offense, because unfortunately, at some point in the
00:15:02.420 future, we're going to have another Democrat administration. 0.76
00:15:04.660 And the pattern we've seen from Bill Clinton to Barack Obama to Joe Biden is we've seen each Democrat administration get worse and worse and worse.
00:15:19.120 And so whenever we have the next Democrat administration, if we don't do something significant, we can anticipate it will be even worse.
00:15:27.040 One of the significant things is if people lose their jobs.
00:15:30.860 If it becomes clear, if you target Christians, if you violate the law, you will be terminated.
00:15:36.980 That is important as a deterrent.
00:15:39.120 It's also important for accountability.
00:15:41.060 And then if anyone violated the law, if anyone committed criminal conduct, they should be prosecuted.
00:15:49.280 And the most likely instance of criminal conduct is if they lied under oath.
00:15:54.920 And you frequently have individuals who testify before Congress or otherwise are lying under oath.
00:16:00.680 That's the most direct way of criminal liability.
00:16:03.160 You know, we remember back to Lois Lerner, who during the Obama administration targeted Christians at the IRS.
00:16:12.000 And Lois Lerner ended up pleading the fifth in front of Congress. 0.99
00:16:15.920 She ended up refusing to testify.
00:16:18.740 She ended up being held in contempt of Congress.
00:16:21.480 And then the Obama administration refused to do anything about it.
00:16:24.500 The Obama Department of Justice refused to prosecute the contempt finding.
00:16:29.540 That's a pattern that should not be replicated.
00:16:33.580 And so everyone who violated the law needs to be accountable.
00:16:36.960 That's important both for holding people accountable for past conduct, but also for deterrence going forward.
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00:17:16.500 All right, Senator, I want to move to another issue.
00:17:19.420 And this one deals with Tucker Carlson.
00:17:21.780 I was actually genuinely shocked by the audio when this broke.
00:17:26.600 I really couldn't believe what I was witnessing when this audio broke.
00:17:31.480 Tucker Carlson is now coming out and he's like saying he wants to give condolences to Osama bin Laden's family.
00:17:38.880 And he says he's not even sure that Hamas is actually a radical jihadist organization.
00:17:43.820 Those are his words. 0.63
00:17:45.500 What in the hell is going on here?
00:17:46.960 Yeah, Ben, you and I both know Tucker Carlson well.
00:17:51.760 And something is wrong with Tucker Carlson.
00:17:54.800 I don't know what the hell is wrong with him.
00:17:56.780 But look, Tucker is someone, he's very smart.
00:17:59.240 He's very talented.
00:18:01.220 During the COVID lockdowns, Tucker's monologue every night was destination TV. 1.00
00:18:07.340 He was unloading on idiotic practices that were shutting our country down. 1.00
00:18:11.820 I called him in the midst of COVID. 1.00
00:18:14.060 I said, Tucker, you're the single best thing on television every single night.
00:18:17.280 Thank you for doing what you're doing.
00:18:19.340 I look at the Tucker today.
00:18:21.100 He is unrecognizable.
00:18:22.680 As listeners of this podcast know, I went on Tucker's show.
00:18:26.540 I knew Tucker was going to come after me.
00:18:28.120 I knew he was going to come after me.
00:18:29.780 And sadly, do so dishonestly.
00:18:33.160 In the course of that two-hour back and forth, it was a lot of firefight.
00:18:36.900 It was a bloodbath, I think, on both sides.
00:18:41.200 You saw Tucker engage in bizarre counterfactual assertions.
00:18:46.360 He said, for example, Iran's not trying to kill the president.
00:18:49.880 What do you mean?
00:18:50.560 No, no, no, no, no.
00:18:51.160 Iran, there's no evidence Iran's trying to kill the president.
00:18:53.600 That is, of course, absurd.
00:18:55.540 Multiple people have been indicted for being Iranian agents trying to kill the president,
00:19:00.800 trying to kill former U.S. senior officials.
00:19:03.880 And Tucker bizarrely said, you know, if Iran was trying to kill the president, 0.95
00:19:08.240 well, then we should nuke them, which was a really bizarre proposition.
00:19:12.340 No, we should not be nuking Iran or anyone else.
00:19:16.200 But I got to say, the week that I did the Tucker interview was the week right before the president
00:19:23.260 launched the bombing attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.
00:19:27.160 And Tucker was spiraling at the time because he was attacking Donald Trump and saying,
00:19:33.520 if the United States bombs Iran, he said it will be World War III, number one.
00:19:40.080 Yeah.
00:19:40.700 He said thousands of Americans will die, number two.
00:19:44.760 And he said America will lose, number three, that Iran will beat us in World War III.
00:19:51.340 Yeah.
00:19:51.820 Every one of those predictions.
00:19:52.400 That's what he actually said at the time.
00:19:53.820 It was shocking when he said it.
00:19:55.080 Everybody was like, what are you talking about?
00:19:56.480 America is going to lose to Iran? 0.98
00:19:57.780 Are you kidding me?
00:19:58.980 Every one of those predictions, we now know the truth.
00:20:01.360 They were laughingly, entirely, totally false.
00:20:05.260 And I got to say, for some reason, when Tucker tried desperately to convince President Trump
00:20:11.680 not to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, and Donald Trump disagreed with Tucker Carlson,
00:20:17.460 and Tucker put out his newsletter and said, well, you're not America first if you bomb Iran.
00:20:21.940 And Trump responded, no, I'm the one that decides what America first is.
00:20:26.840 And I'm telling you right now, defending America is America first.
00:20:31.880 I got to say, it just started Tucker on this downward spiral.
00:20:36.400 So, in the weeks and months since then, he had some loon professor on, talking about Hitler
00:20:43.880 and saying, you know, there's a very good argument the United States should have intervened in World War II
00:20:48.960 on the side of Hitler and the Nazis.
00:20:51.780 And Tucker kind of nods, mmm, mmm.
00:20:55.660 No, there is not a good argument America should have supported the Nazis.
00:20:59.560 The Nazis were evil, period, the end. 0.80
00:21:02.360 I got to say, any commentator, if you're sitting around thinking, you know what I need to do?
00:21:07.580 I need to go out and embrace Adolf Hitler, defend Hitler. 0.99
00:21:11.280 Just pause right there.
00:21:13.180 Think about what you're doing, right?
00:21:15.280 There are very few ironclad rules in politics or history or life, but I'll give you one.
00:21:21.800 Adolf Hitler, always, always, always bad. 0.77
00:21:25.100 Just trust me, this is a safe ground to be on. 0.54
00:21:29.080 Hitler bad. 0.98
00:21:29.980 And can we add number two to the list real quick?
00:21:32.800 Because if you go Hitler first, let's throw in there next, especially for people that are, I don't know, 45 and under, 0.99
00:21:39.520 the most evil guy that we probably saw in our lifetime, in real life, and that was a guy by the name of Osama bin Laden, right?
00:21:46.740 Yes.
00:21:47.200 Throw him out there.
00:21:48.680 9-11, if you were alive, if you remember it, Osama bin Laden's another one. 0.98
00:21:52.680 Don't side with Adolf Hitler. 0.58
00:21:54.540 And if you were my age, I'm 44 now, don't, whatever you do, don't side with Osama bin Laden, which brings us to this unhinged Tucker point number two.
00:22:03.200 Yeah.
00:22:04.360 Okay.
00:22:04.780 I just want you to listen to what Tucker had to say about Osama bin Laden.
00:22:08.720 Give a listen.
00:22:10.360 Let me just say, I would be totally comfortable sharing condolences with Osama bin Laden's family. 0.65
00:22:15.960 I hate Osama bin Laden.
00:22:17.080 On the other hand, if somebody dies, it's okay to say, I'm sorry to his family that you're, that's what I'm saying.
00:22:25.620 Yeah.
00:22:25.920 That's immaterial.
00:22:27.360 I would say that to the family of an executed murderer in a prison.
00:22:32.040 It doesn't mean I support the murderer or the murderer, but this is family.
00:22:35.400 Like, that's okay.
00:22:36.380 That's called, like, human decency.
00:22:38.520 And anyone who's against that.
00:22:40.580 Yeah.
00:22:41.180 And it seems that we're setting up this.
00:22:44.480 Let me just be clear.
00:22:45.700 If I meet any of the Osama bin Laden family members sooner, I'm not going to walk up back. 0.99
00:22:50.120 Let me give you an American hug real quick.
00:22:52.160 Thoughts and prayers.
00:22:53.280 Like, no, that's not going to happen.
00:22:55.660 Look, this is a bizarre position that Tucker says he's okay with giving condolences to Osama bin Laden's family.
00:23:04.060 By the way, on his same reasoning, he'd be just fine giving condolences to Adolf Hitler's family. 0.79
00:23:08.380 Let me tell you right now, I am not remotely sorry that Osama bin Laden is dead.
00:23:12.700 I am not remotely sorry that Adolf Hitler is dead.
00:23:14.880 By the way, I'm not remotely sorry that Jeffrey Dahmer is dead.
00:23:18.000 I'm not remotely sorry that Ted Bundy is dead.
00:23:20.740 I'm not remotely sorry that Charles Manson is dead.
00:23:23.500 Yeah.
00:23:23.680 If people are evil, psychotic, mass murderers, then society celebrates that they are no longer with us.
00:23:31.680 There is justice.
00:23:32.700 I believe in the principle of justice.
00:23:35.320 And understand, Osama bin Laden led al-Qaeda.
00:23:38.460 He planned 9-11.
00:23:39.840 He executed 9-11, in which case nearly 3,000 people, most of whom were Americans, were murdered on September 11th.
00:23:48.340 You and I were both alive.
00:23:49.520 I was in Washington, D.C.
00:23:51.080 Heidi was in the White House at the U.S. Trade Representative's office on 9-11.
00:23:56.580 She evacuated the White House because those terrorists were murdering people. 0.97
00:24:01.220 I lost a friend of mine, Barbara Olson, in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon when the two towers collapsed in New York City.
00:24:09.880 That was a grotesque act of war.
00:24:12.540 By the way, I'm also not sorry that the kamikaze pilots in Pearl Harbor who murdered American sailors, I'm not sorry that they're dead. 1.00
00:24:22.900 There is something bizarre.
00:24:25.260 There is a moral relativism to saying, well, we should, number one, carry out an incredible military act that takes out Osama bin Laden.
00:24:33.500 But then, number two, express condolences to the family, to the toddlers.
00:24:36.760 We're so sorry we took out your psychotic daddy who murdered nearly 3,000 Americans.
00:24:44.440 No, we're not sorry. 0.57
00:24:46.280 And this moral relativism, I've got to say, it is a weird thing.
00:24:53.660 Yeah.
00:24:54.220 When someone who considers himself, calls himself a conservative, sounds exactly like Ilhan Omar.
00:25:01.020 It is a weird thing when a supposed conservative sounds like Rashida Tlaib, sounds like the AOC, and says, gosh, we ought to be saying I'm sorry to Osama bin Laden's family.
00:25:11.900 No, we should not.
00:25:14.620 By the way, it's also weird that he goes in this way, like attacking America and our foreign policy, in essence, and anybody that doesn't feel sorry for terrorists,
00:25:23.980 while also giving propaganda out there on behalf of Vladimir Putin in Russia with the interview that he did with him,
00:25:29.660 and then going shopping at the grocery store saying how great life is in Russia,
00:25:33.060 which if you go 20 miles outside of Russia in any direction of Moscow, it's very different than what it looks like for the elite that are in Moscow.
00:25:40.640 And everything in his trip was, by the way, also controlled.
00:25:44.000 They only let you see what they want you to see.
00:25:45.920 It's not like he can roam freely and decide, hey, I don't want to go to the grocery store you sent me to.
00:25:49.340 I want to go to another one.
00:25:50.500 That ain't going to happen.
00:25:51.480 And then you go from this to what he had to say about a terrorist organization that has killed countless Jews 0.99
00:25:59.900 and has said from the river to the sea they want to take out and annihilate all Jews in Israel. 0.98
00:26:06.100 They want Israel to cease to exist. 0.99
00:26:08.240 And he's like, well, hold on a second.
00:26:09.780 Maybe they're not a terrorist organization.
00:26:12.200 Maybe they're just a political organization.
00:26:14.440 We should think about that.
00:26:15.720 It's like, what the hell is going on?
00:26:17.420 Yeah.
00:26:17.900 Now, give a listen to what he said about Hamas, because this is utterly bizarre.
00:26:22.520 This is where Tucker has gone full on woke leftist.
00:26:28.300 And don't take my word for it.
00:26:29.780 Listen to Tucker.
00:26:30.320 No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family are in Hamas.
00:26:35.540 OK, so like what?
00:26:36.800 Tell me.
00:26:37.940 You can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a group of jihadis.
00:26:45.200 They're Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly, which I don't know if that's true, by the way.
00:26:50.480 It seems more like a political organization.
00:26:51.780 But whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al-Qaeda.
00:26:55.000 So it can't also be true that Christians are a member of al-Qaeda.
00:26:58.260 Sorry.
00:26:58.780 Yeah.
00:26:59.260 Yeah.
00:26:59.600 So then we know they're not in Hamas.
00:27:01.280 So why did they get killed?
00:27:02.880 Why was their church blown?
00:27:04.500 I go back to this.
00:27:05.900 And again, it's like he's become an apologist for a terrorist organization.
00:27:08.840 And he's saying, well, they're not really a terrorist organization. 0.98
00:27:12.160 And then the Christian aspect of this, intertwining that, they're going, well, then why do we kill them? 1.00
00:27:17.120 We kill people that are terrorists, Senator. 1.00
00:27:18.680 That's what we do. 0.99
00:27:20.080 Well, what he's saying there is bizarre.
00:27:22.240 I don't know that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
00:27:25.000 Let me be very clear.
00:27:26.220 Hamas is a terrorist organization. 0.99
00:27:28.200 Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. 1.00
00:27:28.440 They'll tell you that, by the way. 0.77
00:27:29.380 Am I wrong?
00:27:30.060 Like, they'll actually tell you they're a terrorist organization.
00:27:32.240 They're happy to tell you this and show you how good they are at it. 0.67
00:27:35.360 Al-Qaeda is a terrorist organization. 0.99
00:27:37.420 ISIS is a terrorist organization. 0.91
00:27:39.780 This is not just a question of opinion.
00:27:42.100 This is a question of facts.
00:27:43.520 So let's give some fact.
00:27:45.100 Article 8 of the 1988 Hamas Covenant states, quote,
00:27:49.120 Jihad is its path, and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of his wishes. 0.99
00:27:57.600 This is who Tucker Carlson is defending.
00:28:00.340 Globally, Hamas is designated a terrorist organization by the United States of America.
00:28:04.880 That's as a matter of federal law.
00:28:07.000 By Australia, by Canada, by Paraguay, by Israel, by Japan, by New Zealand, by the United Kingdom and the European Union.
00:28:13.300 Now, Hamas is not formally designated by Arab countries, but Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:28:21.020 By the way, I have legislation in the Senate right now to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization because they unquestionably are. 1.00
00:28:28.260 Article 2 of Hamas's charter describes them as, quote,
00:28:32.760 one of the wings of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine.
00:28:35.440 The Muslim Brotherhood, the umbrella organization, is designated as a terrorist organization in Bahrain, in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia, and in the UAE.
00:28:46.180 They have always been a terrorist organization.
00:28:50.240 If you just look at Wikipedia, no friend of Israel, no enemy of Hamas, here's what Wikipedia says.
00:28:56.180 Quote, from 2000 to 2004, Hamas was responsible for killing nearly 400 Israelis and wounding more than 2,000 in 425 attacks,
00:29:07.640 according to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
00:29:10.280 From 2001 through May of 2008, Hamas launched more than 3,000 Qassam rockets and 2,500 mortar attacks into Israel.
00:29:22.400 And, of course, Hamas is who carried out the October 7th attacks, who sent death squads into Israel,
00:29:31.200 where they systematically went house to house, murdering every person in the house, 0.93
00:29:35.920 targeting them because they are Jews. 0.99
00:29:38.780 They murdered elderly people. 1.00
00:29:40.240 They murdered women. 0.98
00:29:41.180 They murdered children.
00:29:42.420 They murdered infants.
00:29:43.380 They murdered toddlers. 1.00
00:29:44.720 They raped women and little girls. 0.99
00:29:47.420 And they murdered over 1,200 Israelis, many of whom were Americans. 0.98
00:29:53.520 It's one of the worst terror attacks in history against American citizens.
00:29:59.440 And Tucker says, well, I think they're a political organization.
00:30:03.020 He bases this on the weird fact.
00:30:05.060 Yes, it is true that in the Gaza Strip, when they had elections, Hamas won.
00:30:09.880 The fact that the voters elected a terrorist organization does not make them a political organization.
00:30:16.360 They were in elected office when they carried out the October 7th terror attacks.
00:30:23.120 And so I got to say, look, this bizarre statement was in the course of an episode
00:30:28.820 where Tucker was interviewing this disgruntled State Department employee who was fired,
00:30:35.140 fired by the Trump administration.
00:30:37.400 And he was giving him an opportunity.
00:30:40.040 And by the way, he was also slandering a young man who works for the State Department,
00:30:46.580 works for Mike Huckabee, President Trump's ambassador to Israel,
00:30:50.740 works for Marco Rubio.
00:30:52.720 And Tucker did an entire segment attacking this young man.
00:30:58.300 Why?
00:30:59.860 Because he's Mark Levin's stepson.
00:31:02.820 I got to say, it is grotesque for Tucker to go after.
00:31:06.420 I get he hates Mark Levin.
00:31:08.560 He does.
00:31:09.080 And let's explain why real quick, because, look, Mark's a dear friend of mine and yours as well.
00:31:13.500 This is a relative to Mark Levin.
00:31:15.160 Mark Levin is clearly an advocate for Israel.
00:31:18.740 He has stood by Israel. 0.51
00:31:19.580 And for America.
00:31:20.200 Let's be clear.
00:31:20.960 And for America.
00:31:22.180 America.
00:31:23.200 And so now, since Tucker Carlson, I guess, is like, all right, well, anybody that I don't like,
00:31:29.740 right, Mark Levin, a family member, let's just hammer that person to somehow make it hurt.
00:31:34.860 I wish he had this much animosity towards Vladimir Putin when he was interviewing him.
00:31:39.040 No.
00:31:39.200 And by the way, not just Vladimir Putin, he had the president of Iran.
00:31:42.040 And I mean, it was a love fest.
00:31:45.260 I mean, he practically spooned with the president of Iran.
00:31:48.840 I don't know if he was big spoon or little spoon, but but but there was no skepticism.
00:31:53.080 And by the way, he's literally interviewing someone who is actively trying to murder Donald Trump.
00:31:58.980 And this is a weird game.
00:32:01.340 So listen, Tucker recognizes that that the folks that listen to him will get very mad at him if he explicitly criticizes Donald Trump.
00:32:10.940 Yeah.
00:32:11.040 So what does he do instead?
00:32:12.160 He just criticizes everything Trump does.
00:32:14.660 He blasts.
00:32:15.520 He has a whole segment on how Mike Huckabee is terrible.
00:32:18.280 Well, who is it that appointed Mike Huckabee the ambassador to Israel?
00:32:21.200 That would be Donald J. Trump.
00:32:22.620 And everything he attacks about Ambassador Huckabee, he is doing on behalf of Trump.
00:32:27.480 But Tucker is unwilling.
00:32:29.760 He doesn't have the courage.
00:32:30.740 He doesn't have the backbone to actually attack Trump.
00:32:33.320 So he just attacks everything Trump does.
00:32:35.940 He attacks bombing Iran. 0.73
00:32:38.200 Well, who was the commander in chief who made the order?
00:32:40.680 And by the way, that was an incredibly successful military operation that made America safer.
00:32:45.940 However, I got to say, listen, if you say something publicly and the words you said are indistinguishable from something said by Ilhan Omar or Rashida Tlaib, that ought to be a sign you've got a problem.
00:33:03.920 And I don't know what's going on with Tucker.
00:33:06.200 I don't know what is driving.
00:33:07.860 It's one thing to feel kind of isolationist and to say, gosh, you know, I don't like wars.
00:33:13.620 OK, fine.
00:33:14.200 That is a view.
00:33:15.960 And to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't like wars either.
00:33:18.820 Joe Biden and the Democrats get us in war.
00:33:21.060 President Trump has gotten us out of war.
00:33:22.780 But getting us out of war, you do it through strength.
00:33:25.640 And getting us out of war does not mean that you refuse to defend America.
00:33:29.760 Fine.
00:33:30.380 If Tucker wants to be isolationist, knock yourself out.
00:33:33.140 But this bizarre apology and defense of Osama bin Laden and defense of Hamas and defense of the president of Iran, that is there is something unhinged.
00:33:47.680 And I hope people around Tucker go in and say, come on, man.
00:33:51.580 Yeah, come on. 0.77
00:33:53.820 Let's all say we love America and we're not going to lie to the American people.
00:33:58.600 Yeah, great point.
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