Verdict with Ted Cruz - Rats Fleeing the Ship： Debate Aftermath & Democrat PANIC

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00:00:05.180 Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you as well.

00:00:10.080 Senator, the debate fallout is continuing.

00:00:14.020 You thought it was a bad night on debate night.

00:00:16.340 It's gotten a lot worse for the president.

00:00:19.600 It's gotten much, much worse.

00:00:21.720 The debate heard around the world.

00:00:23.940 We recorded a special podcast the night of the debate.

00:00:27.020 Tonight, within an hour of it concluding, we put it out.

00:00:30.220 By the way, if you didn't hear our analysis that occurred Thursday night, you should go back and listen.

00:00:35.240 It was Friday's podcast.

00:00:36.940 It was one of the most downloaded pods we've ever done because it was immediate analysis of what's happened.

00:00:42.440 We're now sitting there a few days later, and a few days later, the fallout continues to be massive.

00:00:48.180 I said the night of the debate, this is the most consequential presidential debate in United States history.

00:00:55.940 I still believe that.

00:00:58.060 This weekend, I talked to President Trump.

00:01:00.500 I gave him a call.

00:01:01.280 I told him he did a phenomenal job on the debate.

00:01:04.040 I told him I thought it was his best debate performance he's ever done.

00:01:07.340 He and I have stood on many of those debate stages together, and so I'm intimately familiar with how President Trump debates.

00:01:14.340 And I think he was, as I told him this weekend, he was calm.

00:01:17.980 He was measured.

00:01:18.740 He was under control.

00:01:19.760 And most importantly, he let Joe Biden talk and hang himself because the greatest damage that was done was when Biden was talking and his brain was short-circuiting, and the entire world saw that on Thursday night.

00:01:34.560 We're going to break down the fallout and what's coming next.

00:01:37.280 We're also going to talk about the landmark Supreme Court decision that came down last week overruling what's called the Chevron Doctrine.

00:01:45.440 This is a big victory for the Constitution.

00:01:47.780 This is a big victory for democracy.

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00:01:56.700 We're going to explain it all.

00:01:59.220 I got a lot of questions on the Trump call, so we're going to do that in a second.

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00:03:35.660 All right, so there's a million people that have asked me this question when I've had conversations on the phone with Donald Trump.

00:03:42.140 So I'm going to ask you the same question that everyone asks me.

00:03:44.960 How do you get in touch with Donald Trump when you're the one calling him?

00:03:49.100 How does that work?

00:03:50.420 And then do you get him right away?

00:03:53.100 So I call his phone, and it varies.

00:03:55.620 Sometimes he answers.

00:03:57.220 Other times he doesn't, and he usually calls me back.

00:03:59.360 In this instance, he didn't answer, and he called me back about 20 minutes later.

00:04:04.100 And so when he calls you back, like, how does it work?

00:04:07.120 Is it talking, like, to a friend, or is it more formal?

00:04:09.820 What's that like?

00:04:10.320 Oh, yeah.

00:04:10.580 Oh, yeah.

00:04:10.940 Look, I mean, President Trump and I have been through a lot of battles together, initially on opposite sides, and then for a lot of years side by side.

00:04:20.240 When he was president, I was by far his strongest ally in the U.S. Senate all four years of his presidency.

00:04:26.640 And so he and I talk regularly.

00:04:28.240 But just after this debate, I wanted to call and tell him.

00:04:30.680 I thought he did really a terrific job.

00:04:33.660 And as I said, it's the best I've seen him because he was measured and in control.

00:04:39.780 He didn't let Biden bait him excessively.

00:04:44.180 Biden was trying to bait him, and he didn't take the bait.

00:04:47.380 And in particular, he gave Biden airtime.

00:04:51.440 That's not a natural instinct for President Trump.

00:04:53.920 He likes to fill up the oxygen.

00:04:58.040 But what needed to happen is for people to see just how diminished Joe Biden was.

00:05:03.460 And the only way to do that is to keep your mouth shut and force Biden to talk.

00:05:07.680 Ironically, the thing that really hammered Biden was the thing he and his team insisted upon, which is the microphones being shut off when the other person was talking.

00:05:18.460 That meant that neither candidate had an incentive or temptation to interrupt because their mic was off.

00:05:27.060 And so it wouldn't be heard if they did try to interrupt.

00:05:29.120 That ended up leaving Joe Biden alone on a sinking ship because the only thing that could rescue him was his own words.

00:05:38.460 And we saw multiple times where he just got completely confused and lost and didn't know what he was saying.

00:05:44.780 And you could see it on the expression of the moderators of Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.

00:05:50.360 They both looked with complete horror at just how much Joe Biden was crashing and burning.

00:05:56.900 What was President Trump's disreaction to Biden?

00:06:01.880 Did he even think it would go this well for him or really this bad for Joe Biden?

00:06:06.220 Was he as much shock as I think everyone else that was watching?

00:06:09.160 Well, look, I don't want to share what he said just because conversations I have with President Trump.

00:06:14.100 I'm going to respect what he said.

00:06:15.820 I'll share what I said, though, which is that I'm concerned that the debate went so well that they're going to yank Biden from the ballot.

00:06:24.460 And I repeated to him what I said on the podcast, which is that this will be the most consequential debate in American history if it ends up changing the names on the ballot.

00:06:39.600 If it ends up forcing the Democrat Party to pull the plug on Biden and replace him.

00:06:44.880 And as I've said multiple times, going back to nine months ago, I predicted they would pull pull Biden out and replace him with Michelle Obama.

00:06:52.260 I think that will happen in the next three weeks.

00:06:54.300 I think we have a short fuse on that happening.

00:06:57.580 All right.

00:06:58.200 So I've got a million questions on that, and I've been getting them on social.

00:07:02.200 You may have been seeing some of the same questions.

00:07:04.860 Democrats say that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, that the Republican Party is a threat to democracy, that they're the people that care about democracy.

00:07:12.280 How would they justify pulling Biden, replacing him with a candidate that no one voted for in an election cycle and then said, here it is.

00:07:26.100 How is that democracy?

00:07:28.240 And it's a fair question.

00:07:29.620 I think a lot of Americans are asking right now.

00:07:31.700 Well, listen, at the end of the day, under their rules, each party selects their nominee and they have provisions if a nominee is incapacitated.

00:07:43.120 Look, if if either Donald Trump or Joe Biden fell over dead tomorrow, it's not like the Republican or Democrat Party would say, OK, well, I guess we don't have a presidential nominee.

00:07:53.880 Never mind you replace someone.

00:07:55.900 And that happens.

00:07:56.780 It is not happened with presidential candidates, but it happens sometimes with congressional candidates, sometimes with Senate candidates or House candidates where people have either they they die or they have health issues that prevent them from running.

00:08:12.240 And so the natural way for the Democrats to do this would be with Joe Biden's cooperation, that he comes forward and says, you know, my my health is deteriorated such that I'm no longer able to be a candidate.

00:08:26.120 I thought I would.

00:08:27.280 I thought I could when when we launched the campaign.

00:08:30.680 But but but I'm no longer physically able to be a candidate for four more years.

00:08:35.660 And in that instance, I think we would see the Democrats replacing him.

00:08:42.680 The exact procedure is complicated and it's much more complicated if Biden is not willing.

00:08:49.120 If he's not willing, it becomes practically impossible.

00:08:52.700 And so a critical, critical piece of this is can the gray beards of the Democrat Party collectively pressure him to say enough is enough?

00:09:03.080 Yeah, they certainly don't seem to be leaning towards him dropping out.

00:09:06.560 They've been doubling down.

00:09:07.760 They had their event after that night of the debate.

00:09:10.840 And the next day they had another event and they're trying to get him out there looking like everything's fine.

00:09:15.900 And, quote, he just had a cold.

00:09:17.380 That was one of the parts that made me laugh was how they're like, we had a cold.

00:09:21.240 He had a cold. Well, this is just because he had a cold.

00:09:23.580 I don't think that helps him.

00:09:25.340 I don't think people will believe that it was a cold that caused him to have a terrible night.

00:09:30.640 It's insulting, I think, to many voters.

00:09:32.640 I actually think that can make it even worse.

00:09:34.980 Well, and the White House spin was, well, he's usually lucid between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

00:09:42.340 And so we've just learned to do any White House meetings during those hours because that's when his brain operates.

00:09:49.380 And you think about that as their explanation and you're going, oh, OK, that's good.

00:09:56.600 Maybe Putin and Xi, but before launching a military attack, maybe a terrorist before murdering Americans will be sure to do it between 10 a.m.

00:10:06.760 and 4 p.m. because, you know, if you do it after after Luby's is closed, after after the jello at the cafeteria,

00:10:13.720 I'm afraid the commander in chief is just not there and not able to handle it like like that is a terrifying statement.

00:10:21.260 And that is from the White House.

00:10:23.920 So the only way that this goes smoothly, I guess, and this is a great point of clarification,

00:10:28.900 is if Joe Biden willingly said, in essence, hey, I'm I'm going to step aside.

00:10:36.660 There's no indication he's going to do that so far based on what the White House and what Joe Biden and the first lady are doing.

00:10:41.600 They're they're they're wanting to squash this instantly.

00:10:44.000 We also got a tweet, and I think we mentioned this in the last pod, but Barack Obama finally came out and said, hey, he's our guy.

00:10:52.280 Here's his Web site.

00:10:53.760 Basically, almost 24 hours after the disaster, the debate, you can read into that what you want.

00:10:59.940 But if Joe Biden and Joe Biden say we ain't going anywhere, then the Democratic Party, in essence, is has their hands tied pretty much.

00:11:10.780 Right.

00:11:11.060 Well, maybe, maybe not.

00:11:14.180 So look at the debate that is playing out real time.

00:11:16.920 So Barack Obama jumped out pretty quickly in his tweet.

00:11:19.560 Let me read it all because it's relevant what he said.

00:11:21.660 Obama says, quote, circle the wagons.

00:11:24.360 Bad debate nights happen.

00:11:25.680 Trust me, I know.

00:11:26.960 But this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself.

00:11:33.180 Between someone who tells the truth, who knows right and wrong and will give it to the American people straight and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit.

00:11:41.780 Last night didn't change that.

00:11:43.360 And that's why so much is at stake in November.

00:11:45.580 So that's Obama trying to tell Democrats circle the wagons.

00:11:49.020 Now, David Axelrod, Obama's political guru, here's what he put out.

00:11:54.020 He said, quote, reality check.

00:11:56.920 Joe Biden is the nominee of the Democratic Party nominated by voters in primaries across the country.

00:12:02.920 Unless the POTUS himself decides to quit, which he won't, that issue is settled.

00:12:12.220 The discussion that is going on now was timely a year ago when few wanted to have it.

00:12:18.180 It's largely irrelevant today.

00:12:20.420 Now, I'll point out, a year ago, Axelrod was saying this.

00:12:23.020 He was saying Biden's too old.

00:12:25.240 But what is striking, so you've got a couple of folks there saying stick with Biden, but you've also got the New York Times.

00:12:36.140 And the New York Times put out a blistering editorial, a blistering editorial calling on Biden to drop out, saying his candidacy is a reckless gamble.

00:12:47.640 And it's not just the New York Times.

00:12:49.960 The Chicago Tribune also called on Biden to drop out.

00:12:54.040 The Washington Post editorial board strongly suggested that Biden quit the race.

00:12:59.740 And so if you look at the powers that be in the Democrat Party, the corporate media is intertwined and is, in fact, the left wing of the Democrat Party.

00:13:12.700 And seeing the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Post all coming out against Biden, we've never seen anything like that in his entire presidency.

00:13:22.680 Well, we also have this new report.

00:13:24.620 I want to get your reaction from NBC News.

00:13:26.760 It said that President Joe Biden is having a family kumbaya meeting Sunday to talk about his reelection campaign with family following a nationally televised debate that left many fellow Democrats worried about his ability to beat former President Donald Trump.

00:13:42.540 So they're not really worried about his cognitive decline.

00:13:44.200 They're just worried about the fact that he may lose.

00:13:45.880 And in that article, it said, quote, Biden was described by one person familiar with his mood as humiliated, devoid of confidence and painfully aware that the physical images of him at the debate, eyes staring into the distance, mouth agape, will live beyond his presidency.

00:14:04.920 Now, that's what NBC News reported about his general, I guess, mood.

00:14:13.620 And then there was other things that were said in there, basically, that, look, this is a guy who is smashing the glass in the glass in case of emergency phase of his presidency is how they described it.

00:14:26.500 That's coming from NBC.

00:14:27.960 That's shocking.

00:14:29.240 Yeah.

00:14:29.380 And let me say the point you made just there is really important.

00:14:32.100 The Democrats who are panicking, who are freaking out, the editorial boards who are panicking and freaking out, they don't care that the president of the United States is not mentally competent.

00:14:43.560 They don't care that the president of the United States is, in the words of the Biden Department of Justice, not mentally fit to stand trial, not competent to stand trial.

00:14:54.900 They don't care about that.

00:14:55.920 They don't care that the commander in chief can't string two sentences together.

00:14:58.980 Look, the man I saw in that debate stage, I'm not sure I'd let him drive a car, much less have his finger on the button.

00:15:06.340 Yeah.

00:15:06.560 No Democrat cares about that at all.

00:15:08.620 They don't care that the White House is saying he can't handle any crisis that happens if it happens before 10 a.m. or after 4 p.m.

00:15:15.560 And even then, it's touch and go.

00:15:18.640 None of that matters.

00:15:19.640 The reason they're panicking is one thing.

00:15:21.440 They're like, uh-oh, he's going to lose.

00:15:23.960 He's going to lose to Trump.

00:15:25.040 And then suddenly, like, okay, now it's a problem.

00:15:27.560 Now we need someone else.

00:15:28.960 It really is sad that there is no one stepping forward and saying this is dangerous for America.

00:15:37.940 Look, if you haven't seen it, one thing I retweeted, and it's visual, so it's going to be very hard to describe on an audio pod.

00:15:44.860 But Jon Stewart, right after the debate, put together a montage of images of Biden when he wasn't speaking.

00:15:55.380 And it is damning.

00:15:58.180 It's hysterical.

00:15:59.400 But it is damning.

00:16:00.480 You just read that quote from NBC News.

00:16:02.200 The look of just complete confusion, didn't know where he was, just looking around like someone clearly not in control of his faculties.

00:16:15.160 And here's how Jon Stewart, the comedian, referred to it.

00:16:18.060 He said, it's not often you see someone with resting 25th Amendment face.

00:16:24.580 That was Jon Stewart's phrase.

00:16:26.060 And by the way, the 25th Amendment is the amendment to the Constitution that provides for removing a president from office, a sitting president, when he is no longer competent to do the job.

00:16:38.400 And that, look, that's the punchline of a joke, but it's not much of a joke.

00:16:43.840 Yeah, it's a great point.

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00:18:34.640 Senator, you mentioned the 25th, and it's a complicated issue.

00:18:38.960 Can you break it down?

00:18:40.680 Let's say that he has a meeting with a family.

00:18:43.440 It comes out this week that he's not going anywhere after this family meeting, this kumbaya.

00:18:48.580 And Democrats then just say, we've got to turn on this guy.

00:18:53.220 How does it work?

00:18:54.440 How does the 25th work, and would Republicans have to go with it?

00:18:58.440 No, no.

00:18:59.260 It can be done by the vice president and a majority of the cabinet.

00:19:03.620 And the provision that is relevant in the 25th Amendment is Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.

00:19:09.120 Here's what Section 4 says.

00:19:11.020 Quote,

00:19:11.300 Whenever the vice president and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments, that means the cabinet members, or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,

00:19:33.980 the vice president shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as acting president.

00:19:39.880 And thereafter, when the president transmits to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists,

00:19:51.620 he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the vice president and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or as such other body as Congress may by law provide,

00:20:03.100 transmit, transmit within four days to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.

00:20:14.440 Thereupon, Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within 48 hours for that purpose, if not in session.

00:20:22.640 If the Congress, within 21 days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or if Congress is not in session within 21 days after Congress is required to assemble,

00:20:36.440 determines by two-thirds vote of both houses that the president is unable to discharge the power and duties of his office,

00:20:44.040 the vice president shall continue to discharge the same as acting president.

00:20:47.940 Otherwise, the president shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

00:20:53.460 So this could happen in theory if they decided to do it, but it would take Kamala Harris and the cabinet going against the president very quickly.

00:21:03.280 It could happen today.

00:21:05.560 If you had a written declaration signed by Kamala Harris and a majority of the cabinet,

00:21:11.360 they would submit that written declaration to the president pro tem of the Senate and the Speaker of the House.

00:21:18.960 And as soon as they do so, Kamala Harris is the acting president.

00:21:23.180 Joe Biden is no longer the president.

00:21:24.880 Now, the next step would be, does Joe Biden fight him?

00:21:29.460 Joe Biden could then submit a written statement saying, 0.99

00:21:32.500 I'm just fine, damn it. 0.97

00:21:34.080 And if that happens, then it gets kicked to Congress and Congress has to decide. 0.98

00:21:41.160 And it takes two-thirds of both houses to conclude that the president is unable to perform his duties.

00:21:48.660 And so that, listen, that is by design a high threshold.

00:21:53.400 Removing a president is not a big deal.

00:21:55.800 Look, if it's triggered by the vice president and majority of the cabinet coming to that conclusion,

00:22:02.200 that is a massive shift.

00:22:06.720 Obviously, you're like me.

00:22:08.740 We're flying blind because we don't have a bunch of insiders at this Biden's White House

00:22:13.640 and not many friends in the cabinet.

00:22:17.900 What are the chances, just your gut, on that even happening?

00:22:22.120 Well, I'll give you a little bit of the legal background.

00:22:27.100 So the principal draftsman of the amendment was a man named John Feerick.

00:22:31.720 And here's what he wrote.

00:22:32.720 He said that Congress deliberately left the terms unable and inability undefined,

00:22:38.620 quote, since cases of inability could take various forms, not neatly fitting into a rigid definition.

00:22:45.760 The debates surrounding the 25th Amendment indicate that those terms are intended to cover

00:22:50.140 all cases in which some condition or circumstance prevents the president from discharging his powers and duties.

00:22:59.700 So this is, again, all up to the Democrats to, in essence, decide the fate of Joe Biden,

00:23:05.220 whether they stick with him, if they can't push him out, or if they say,

00:23:09.240 you know what, we're going to do it anyway because you're not listening to us.

00:23:12.100 It's one way or the other.

00:23:13.040 That's right.

00:23:14.140 And by the way, there are 15 members of the cabinet.

00:23:17.920 Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury, Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General,

00:23:22.560 the Secretary of the Interior, the Secretary of Agriculture, the Secretary of Commerce,

00:23:26.500 the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services,

00:23:29.560 the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, the Secretary of Transportation,

00:23:33.080 the Secretary of Energy, the Secretary of Education,

00:23:36.080 the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and the Secretary of Homeland Security.

00:23:39.380 And so it is those 15, eight of them plus Kamala Harris, could remove Joe Biden as president today. 0.86

00:23:49.100 Let me ask you another question, and that is Joe Biden moving forward.

00:23:53.060 If he stays, there's another debate on the schedule.

00:23:57.240 There was an interesting commentary on Fox about this, and I want you to listen and get your reaction.

00:24:02.960 In the offering.

00:24:03.960 Well, before that, we get to that, I want to elaborate on that a little bit.

00:24:07.700 But I want to ask you, you've worked in White Houses. 0.56

00:24:11.720 How could the advisors who've been working closely with him, I mean, they prepped him for a week in detail.

00:24:20.520 I mean, they clearly knew his capacities, okay?

00:24:23.540 They know that enough because they always lay him out with a teleprompter.

00:24:26.840 They don't give him a lot of impromptu possibilities.

00:24:29.420 They write scripts for him.

00:24:31.400 How could they let this happen?

00:24:33.660 Paul, I don't know, and that is the great unanswered question.

00:24:39.520 Look, the people in the White House not only know his capabilities, they deal with him day in and day out.

00:24:46.560 They never should have agreed to this debate.

00:24:48.940 It was completely unnecessary, and they had to know about his limitations.

00:24:54.360 And bluntly, a week out, 10 days out, if they sensed this, there was ample opportunity for an international crisis or crises to lead to a cancellation.

00:25:05.080 Every decision the White House staff made, including the briefing for Thursday night, failed.

00:25:11.420 But the fundamental judgment on this debate and participation was the wrong one.

00:25:17.140 That's a former advisor to the Clinton White House who's saying that.

00:25:22.460 How on earth would you even move forward if he stays?

00:25:26.060 Is he stuck now?

00:25:27.160 He's got to do the second debate?

00:25:28.480 Or would you cancel and use whatever BS?

00:25:30.700 Hey, I've got a cold, so I can't show up tonight.

00:25:33.200 Look, who knows?

00:25:34.160 I mean, let me point out that once again shows the cynicism of today's Democrats.

00:25:39.060 You know, what he's saying there is they should never agree to the debate.

00:25:42.300 Why?

00:25:42.620 Because he's not mentally competent at all.

00:25:44.340 And if he does a debate, the American people will realize that their commander-in-chief, like, can't tie his own shoes.

00:25:50.060 They're not worried about having a president who can't tie his own shoes.

00:25:55.100 They're not worried about having a president whom our enemies think is a joke.

00:25:58.960 They're not worried about having a president who the people who wish harm in America look to.

00:26:03.240 I mean, every enemy of America watched that debate Thursday night.

00:26:06.540 And listen, if you want to do something bad, talk about a screaming invitation.

00:26:14.420 There is nobody in this White House who is scaring, intimidating anyone.

00:26:23.060 And that's really bad.

00:26:24.600 Look, it was painful to watch the debate.

00:26:28.060 It was brutal.

00:26:31.320 Yes, yes.

00:26:32.760 Someone described it to me afterwards, and the analogy was spot on.

00:26:36.060 It was like watching a funeral of a person that was still alive.

00:26:39.600 And by the way, has a single Democrat, has a single media outlet apologized to the American people for lying for the past three years?

00:26:48.000 Yeah.

00:26:48.300 Because they've said over and over again, oh, he's fit.

00:26:50.680 He's so able.

00:26:51.620 He's like the smartest, most brilliant person you've ever seen.

00:26:55.360 I mean, they knew that was a lie.

00:26:57.620 They knew that was a lie before the debate, and they kept on telling that lie.

00:27:01.360 They kept on telling that lie over and over and over again.

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00:27:36.900 By the way, it's interesting that a lot of the people in the Democratic Party are saying he's got to go.

00:27:41.520 All these editorials are saying he's got to go that you mentioned.

00:27:43.940 But there's two old people in Washington, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:50.120 They're acting like the debate the other night didn't even happen.

00:27:53.460 Here is Nancy Pelosi when she was asked a question about it.

00:27:56.660 What do you make of Democrats calling for?

00:27:59.320 I don't know who's doing that.

00:28:01.900 I don't know who's doing that.

00:28:02.800 I don't know who's doing that.

00:28:05.200 I don't know who's doing that.

00:28:06.360 I don't know.

00:28:07.620 I'm not doing it.

00:28:08.960 Quote, unquote.

00:28:09.800 That's Nancy Pelosi.

00:28:11.240 Like, give me a break.

00:28:12.720 They're trying desperately to be in denial.

00:28:15.580 Here, I want you to listen to this montage of Democrats talking about how sharp and fit Biden is and how on his game he is.

00:28:23.120 Just listen to this montage.

00:28:24.600 He is sharp, intensely probing and detail-oriented and focused.

00:28:30.020 This is a man who is sharp, who is on top of his game, who knows what's going on.

00:28:33.960 This guy's tough.

00:28:35.060 He's smart.

00:28:36.020 He's on his game.

00:28:36.860 His mental acuity is great.

00:28:38.500 This is a very sharp president.

00:28:41.060 This is a man that's on his game.

00:28:43.020 President Biden is absolutely fit.

00:28:46.760 There's not a problem.

00:28:47.960 He's sharp.

00:28:48.580 He's fit.

00:28:49.340 He's always answering questions.

00:28:50.780 He is on the ball.

00:28:52.240 He was sharper than anyone I've spoken to.

00:28:55.180 He is sharp.

00:28:56.240 He is on top of things.

00:28:57.620 There's no doubt in my mind that the president is mentally fit for office.

00:29:00.560 Biden has proven himself to have a strong memory.

00:29:03.440 He's completely mentally sharp.

00:29:05.180 He's at the top of his game.

00:29:06.900 He's at the top of his game.

00:29:10.120 I mean, these are all the people around him.

00:29:11.820 By the way, many of those would have to be would be the same people that would have to decide to move forward with the 25th.

00:29:16.840 They were telling you he's at the top of his game.

00:29:18.500 Well, but but remember, they care about power over everything else.

00:29:25.600 And so if if they become convinced that that Biden loses, rats fleeing from a sinking ship would not move as fast as they will move.

00:29:36.460 Yeah, that's a great way to discuss it in this part of the discussions.

00:29:43.020 That's for sure.

00:29:44.480 All right.

00:29:44.800 And actually, hold on a second.

00:29:47.140 I want to play something else.

00:29:49.020 Sure.

00:29:49.660 Which is I want to play a contrast of two different moments in the in debates.

00:29:55.540 Number one, I want to play a segment from a debate back in 2012.

00:29:59.680 2012, Joe Biden was vice president and he was debating Paul Ryan, who was the Republican nominee to be vice president.

00:30:06.380 He was running with Mitt Romney.

00:30:07.980 I want us to play that.

00:30:09.460 And then I want us to play just a clip from Thursday's debate.

00:30:12.820 So in 12 years, we'll hear how much it's it's changed.

00:30:16.160 Let's start with this is Joe Biden debating Paul Ryan 12 years ago in 2012.

00:30:21.280 Give a listen.

00:30:22.080 You can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers.

00:30:27.540 Not mathematically possible.

00:30:29.140 It is mathematically possible.

00:30:30.940 It's been done before.

00:30:32.240 It's just like we're proposing.

00:30:33.640 It has never been done before.

00:30:35.180 It's been done a couple of times.

00:30:36.400 It has never.

00:30:37.460 Jack Kennedy, lower tax rates, increased growth.

00:30:39.420 Ronald Reagan.

00:30:39.960 Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy.

00:30:40.900 Ronald Reagan.

00:30:44.200 Republicans and Democrats.

00:30:45.400 Republicans and Democrats have worked together on this.

00:30:48.280 You know, I understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals.

00:30:50.660 But we told each other what we're going to do when we did it with Reagan.

00:30:52.820 We said, here are the things we're going to cut.

00:30:54.660 We said, here's the framework.

00:30:55.140 Let's work together to fill in the details.

00:30:56.720 That's exactly.

00:30:57.620 That's how you get things done.

00:30:59.260 You work with Congress.

00:31:00.160 Look, let me say it this way.

00:31:02.000 That's coming from the Republican Congress working bipartisanly.

00:31:05.840 Mitt Romney.

00:31:06.260 Seven percent rating.

00:31:07.700 Mitt Romney.

00:31:08.940 You listen to that in 2012.

00:31:11.740 That's a guy that was, I would argue, sharp.

00:31:14.380 I may not agree with anything he's saying.

00:31:16.240 But he was a very good debater that night.

00:31:19.280 Yeah.

00:31:19.460 Yeah.

00:31:19.600 Look, he was coming on hard.

00:31:21.660 By the way, 2012 is what I was elected.

00:31:23.620 That was the vice president who swore me in.

00:31:26.080 That's the Joe Biden who I knew who swore me in.

00:31:28.660 And you look at his line to Paul Ryan.

00:31:31.660 Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy.

00:31:32.900 I mean, and he's if you watch the video, he's grinning ear to ear.

00:31:36.380 It was very effective.

00:31:38.380 He was sharp.

00:31:39.160 He was engaged.

00:31:40.220 He was back and forth.

00:31:41.960 Now listen to just a snippet from Thursday night, 12 years later.

00:31:47.140 You can see he is six foot five and only 223 pounds or 235 pounds.

00:31:54.540 Well, you said six foot four, 200.

00:31:57.580 Well, anyway, that's what you're.

00:31:58.820 Anyway, just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is.

00:32:03.100 Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him.

00:32:05.860 The reason I got my handicap, which when I was vice president, down to a six.

00:32:10.500 And by the way, I told you before, I'm happy to play golf.

00:32:15.500 If you carry your own bag, think you can do it.

00:32:19.220 That's the biggest lie.

00:32:20.440 He's a six handicap of all. 0.98

00:32:22.500 I was an eight handicap.

00:32:23.960 Yeah.

00:32:24.580 Eight.

00:32:25.660 But I have, you know, I mean, I've seen you swing.

00:32:28.620 I know you swing.

00:32:29.660 Let's not act like President Trump.

00:32:31.900 We're going to.

00:32:32.720 I mean, you hear that.

00:32:34.100 And the funny part was he's the one that like was like, hey, I'll play golf with you

00:32:38.860 and I'll show you they're they're not even the same human being.

00:32:41.560 No, no, it is dramatically different.

00:32:45.760 And listen, all of us are aging.

00:32:48.740 All of us will shuffle off this mortal coil.

00:32:51.940 We are headed that direction eventually.

00:32:54.300 But different people age at different speeds.

00:32:57.300 And Joe Biden is a very, very old 81.

00:33:02.380 And the diminishment is indisputable.

00:33:06.740 And that's why the Democrat Party and that's why the corporate media are panicking.

00:33:11.800 And let's be clear, the cover of Time magazine, the title is panic with Joe Biden walking off the stage

00:33:20.480 because it is indisputable now.

00:33:25.320 And none of the Democrats care that it's a problem, that the president isn't fit.

00:33:30.200 They care that politically the voters might be concerned that the president is not fit.

00:33:35.600 Yeah, great point there.

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00:35:43.580 Senator, there's another important issue I know you wanted to bring up.

00:35:47.140 It is one that has not been on the front pages of newspapers, and that doesn't mean it's not important.

00:35:52.740 In fact, it's very important.

00:35:54.980 Explain to us about this significant ruling that came down.

00:35:58.580 So last week, the U.S. Supreme Court decided a decision called Loper Bright Enterprises versus Raimondo.

00:36:04.980 And what the court did is it overruled a 1984 decision of the Supreme Court, the Chevron decision.

00:36:13.720 And that was a decision Chevron versus Natural Resources Defense Council.

00:36:17.500 The Chevron decision created something that is called Chevron deference.

00:36:22.580 Now, what is Chevron deference?

00:36:23.760 It was a doctrine that said the courts will defer to federal agencies on rules and regulations so long as that rule and regulation is, quote, reasonable.

00:36:38.480 What it did is it gave enormous powers to unelected bureaucrats. 0.67

00:36:44.900 And Chevron, you can trace in a very direct line the rise of the administrative state, the rise of unelected bureaucrats issuing rules that are incredibly costly to the American people, incredibly harmful to the American people.

00:36:59.800 You can trace that rise to the Chevron doctrine because when an agency of unelected bureaucrats issued a brand new rule, the courts would enforce that rule and say, well, it's the expert agency.

00:37:12.280 And so we're going to give force to what they say, even if Congress never passed this into law.

00:37:19.160 And so the court last week overruled Chevron.

00:37:23.400 What that means now is that it is Congress.

00:37:26.700 It's the elected members of Congress that have to make policy decisions that impact the American people, not the armies of bureaucrats who have no democratic accountability.

00:37:37.960 What type of precedent that will this have moving forward and what does this say to corporations as well?

00:37:45.040 Well, what it will do is weaken federal regulators.

00:37:48.140 And let's take, for example, the facts here.

00:37:49.860 So the facts here concerned a family fishing company and and the federal government issued a regulation that required the family fishing company, number one, to allow a fishing monitor, a person on board their ship.

00:38:07.780 But but also forced the family fishing company to pay the salary of the federal fishing monitor, even though the law passed by Congress had no such requirement.

00:38:18.960 So, in other words, this regulator said, OK, you, the fisherman, you got to allow a federal bureaucrat on your ship and you got to pay a salary.

00:38:28.540 Why? Because we said so, because we want you to pay a salary.

00:38:31.660 And the court said, well, wait a second.

00:38:34.120 When Congress passed the law, it didn't say that.

00:38:36.500 Where did you this come up with?

00:38:38.100 Where did you come up with this?

00:38:39.080 You just made this up.

00:38:40.080 And so in this case, I I led an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief in the Supreme Court.

00:38:47.120 It was joined by 17 other senators.

00:38:50.180 Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, led an amicus brief in the House of Representatives.

00:38:55.320 Let me read you the first couple of paragraphs of the brief that I filed in the Supreme Court.

00:39:01.760 Here's the summary of the argument.

00:39:04.000 Quote, the court should unequivocally abandon the contemporary Chevron deference doctrine because it contradicts articles one, two and three of the Constitution.

00:39:15.740 Decades of application of Chevron deference have facilitated the exercise of functions by the executive branch

00:39:22.400 that more properly belong to the legislative and judicial branches.

00:39:28.040 Agencies exploit general or broad terms and statutes to engage in policymaking functions of questionable legality

00:39:37.720 with the assumption that the courts will grant deference and not independently evaluate the lawfulness of those agency interpretations.

00:39:47.360 And then I quote from from a dissent of Justice Thomas's, quote,

00:39:53.880 The founders expected that the federal government's powers would remain separated and the people's liberty secure only if the branches could check each other.

00:40:06.920 Therefore, the Constitution imposes structural constraints on all three branches

00:40:13.400 and the exercise of power free of those accompanying restraints subverts the design of the Constitution's ratifiers.

00:40:22.400 The court agreed with the amicus brief that I filed for 17 senators.

00:40:27.820 It agreed with the amicus brief Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, filed for a number of House members.

00:40:33.560 And the result today is there is more power in the elected members of Congress.

00:40:40.480 And the reason that matters is you where power resides, you want it to reside where there's accountability. 0.97

00:40:47.940 If Congress votes for an idiotic law that hurts the American people, you know what the voters can do? 1.00

00:40:55.000 They can throw the bums out. 1.00

00:40:56.540 If an unelected bureaucrat issues a rule that says, I don't know, fisherman, you got to let a bureaucrat on your boat and you got to pay a salary.

00:41:05.300 Well, you know what? You can't fire that bureaucrat. 0.95

00:41:07.580 That bureaucrat doesn't run for office. 1.00

00:41:09.140 That bureaucrat doesn't do town halls. 1.00

00:41:11.060 That bureaucrat never sees the people he's hurting.

00:41:14.880 And so this was a victory for democracy and a victory for the Constitution,

00:41:20.320 which, of course, means Democrats and the media are horrified.

00:41:24.480 You know, this reminds me so much of the parallels and what you're describing with what we saw with Dr. Fauci,

00:41:31.600 a guy elected by no one, making more money than anybody else in the United States government.

00:41:36.460 Literally, that's not a joke, making more than the president makes and being able to basically make up and put laws on all of us

00:41:44.280 and certain lockdowns, et cetera, on all of us and change the entire way we did our life.

00:41:50.160 And there was, in essence, no check or balance for him.

00:41:52.820 This seems like where the country is moving now, paying attention more to these type of situations.

00:41:58.880 Well, and look, we see a whole series of decisions from the Supreme Court

00:42:03.040 that are all about enforcing the Constitution and enhancing democracy.

00:42:08.980 You take the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe versus Wade.

00:42:12.520 What did it do?

00:42:13.240 It moved questions of abortion that are hotly contested, that people passionately disagree on.

00:42:19.800 It moved them to the elected branches of government.

00:42:22.980 It moved them to the 50 states where the citizens of each state could decide what should the rules be in your state.

00:42:29.720 And nobody would expect that Texas would have the same rules that California has because the citizens have different values.

00:42:36.640 And where there are contested policy issues, it ought to be the voters deciding.

00:42:41.440 Now, interestingly enough, even though Democrats in the corporate media love talking about how much they want to defend democracy,

00:42:49.200 they are horrified whenever the voters actually get to decide.

00:42:54.600 They want unelected judges deciding so long as they agree with what the judges are deciding,

00:43:01.360 and they want unelected bureaucrats deciding, and they know they're going to agree with that

00:43:05.440 because the bureaucrats are overwhelmingly left-wing and disconnected from the harms that their rules and regulations are causing. 0.98

00:43:13.980 Yeah, great point.

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00:43:22.320 There's going to be a lot to talk about coming up in the next several weeks, obviously, with Joe Biden.

00:43:26.900 Does he stay or does he go?

00:43:28.180 What will Democrats do next?

00:43:29.420 We'll cover all of that for you.

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Rats Fleeing the Ship： Debate Aftermath & Democrat PANIC

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