00:00:38.720I have often been called boring but radical.
00:00:42.640And, Senator, I guess you've been getting a lot of that these days.
00:00:45.740You had the finest moment of the night.
00:00:49.060I'm sort of damning with faint praise because that State of the Union address was unbearable to watch.
00:00:54.440And I really empathized with you in the room because the TV cameras caught you front and center, dozing off during the speech.
00:01:03.100Well, look, the whole thing was 63 minutes.
00:01:06.040I'm amazed that I didn't sleep more during the speech.
00:01:09.160I mean, it was – so, it was actually on this podcast, what, a month, two months ago, that we actually coined the three-word summary for the Biden administration, a boring but radical.
00:01:26.940And, in fact, going into the State of the Union, I did a bunch of preview interviews where reporters say, okay, well, what's tonight going to be?
00:01:34.100And I said it's going to be boring but radical.
00:01:35.840So, I didn't realize just how true that was.
00:01:40.220In both directions, in both the boring side and the radical side.
00:01:46.000It was – I was trying to stay awake.
00:01:49.760And it – you know, actually one of the reasons why it was so boring – so, there's a weird aspect of State of the Unions.
00:01:57.320And actually, you and I talked about this last State of the Union, which is there's kind of a game Republicans, Democrats play.
00:02:05.980If it's your party, you're popping up like pop goes the weasel on every sentence, like yay, yay, yay.
00:02:12.760And what's interesting is if you're in the out-of-power party, so if you're a Democrat when Trump's president, if you're a Republican when Obama or Biden's president,
00:02:22.260a State of the Union is often kind of a complicated thing because you're listening to each sentence and try to evaluate, do I clap?
00:02:34.120And, you know, look, the Supreme Court justices, the generals, they kind of clap and stand for nothing other than the beginning of the speech and occasionally America is good.
00:02:43.740And then there's sort of statements in between.
00:03:00.160There were whole swaths of, I don't know, seemed like 10, 15 minutes where we're just sitting there and every word out of Biden's mouth is directed only to Democrats.
00:03:13.280And he wasn't even throwing like a tiny fig leaf trying to bring anyone together, trying.
00:03:19.140And that's part of why I nodded off and, you know, helped the Internet go crazy last night.
00:03:25.340So in terms of the big takeaways for people who, like you, were nodding off, not in the Capitol but in their own homes, what are we supposed to make of this?
00:03:38.360Because I almost wish that Biden were more overtly radical, that he were more exciting because he would be calling more people's attention to what he's trying to do.
00:03:50.000So what is he trying to do, what is going to get done, and do Republicans have any hope?
00:03:55.220Well, Michael, your point is really important, that the boring is by design.
00:13:14.740Like, and the elevator closed and I remember thinking like, OK, if you're choosing not to get a vaccine, you can do that.
00:13:24.280But what right do you have to insist that the rest of us must wear masks because you've chosen not to get a vaccine?
00:13:30.640You don't have a right like it is available to you.
00:13:34.940And and so I have not been wearing it for two, three weeks.
00:13:39.200I did wear my mask last night and I sort of struggled with the question.
00:13:43.840But Pelosi is running this, you know, military installation.
00:13:50.860Do you know that she is fining House members, fining them if they don't wear a mask on the floor?
00:13:58.140And she is insisting that House members go through metal detectors as and as idiotic as it is, because she's afraid some Republican is going to be packing heat.
00:14:08.280It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
00:14:10.220And thankfully, the Senate is not that idiotic.
00:14:13.240And they actually they took down the detectors or whatever, because like when I walked in, we didn't go through metal detectors.
00:14:17.960But I went ahead and wore the mask on the House floor because that's sort of what they're doing there.
00:14:23.340But but but I felt pretty sheepish for doing so because it was all theatrics.
00:14:29.500There is something deferential and conservative about saying, well, I'm in this chamber now.
00:16:02.280I'd like to see as many people as possible get it.
00:16:04.820But I also believe in individual liberty.
00:16:06.720And if you don't want to get it, that's your choice.
00:16:09.540And there are some people who've got health issues for whom it may not make sense to get it.
00:16:14.500And so I think each person should evaluate whether it makes sense in your circumstances.
00:16:19.020But, you know, I think the CDC is actually doing real damage with the arbitrariness of of their their rules.
00:16:29.540So, for example, even after people get vaccinated, they're still idiotically saying, oh, well, we're wear masks here and there and everywhere.
00:16:46.700Yeah, I think CDC is dragging their feet on that.
00:16:51.480Is very possibly disincentivizing millions of people from getting vaccines.
00:16:57.160And, you know, this week they put out the guidance of, OK, now you don't need to wear a mask when you're outside if you've been vaccinated.
00:17:03.760It's like, well, OK, only morons were doing that.
00:17:08.840And like, do I need a mask when I'm taking a shower?
00:17:11.300Like, like you haven't clarified that point.
00:17:13.020Oh, although did you see, Michael, a track coach in Massachusetts was fired because he wouldn't make his kids wear masks while running cross-country track outside.
00:17:29.240He didn't want his students to collapse in the woods and fall, fall down on a rock.
00:17:34.200It you know, there's so much of this mask stuff that is just petty totalitarianism.
00:17:39.760It is we can control you and we want to control you.
00:17:44.700Well, the rules keep changing, but it's not really about the rules themselves, I find.
00:17:48.320It's about, as you say here, the imposition of the rule.
00:17:51.960Who gets to to impose their will on others?
00:17:54.840I want to go back to something you said, though, that I think is extraordinarily important.
00:17:59.420On the question of the vaccine passport, a number of governors have been divided on this because a lot of it's taking place at the state level.
00:18:07.000Some are saying we will not have any mandates from the government on the vaccine passport.
00:18:12.880Others are saying we will not permit private businesses to force you to show your medical history when you come into the bar or when you try to go on an airline or something to that effect.
00:18:24.520Well, and you're seeing employers that are that are firing employees for not getting the vaccines, which I think is terrible.
00:18:30.840I think that that is deeply, deeply troubling and shouldn't be allowed.
00:18:37.040This ties in with something that you published yesterday in the Wall Street Journal.
00:18:40.520And you did not tell me that this was coming out.
00:18:46.860And I basically stood up and cheered when I saw this op-ed because it's something that conservatives just don't get except for very few who are pretty rock ribbed.
00:18:56.720You said that the era of conservative shilling for private companies, corporations that hate our values and are opposing our country and are opposing even voter integrity measures.
00:19:09.340That time is over, and you said that you will not accept corporate PAC money in your campaigns.
00:19:17.600I mean, look, we've all been watching the rise of the woke corporations and these big businesses, these Fortune 500 companies, where the CEOs have essentially decided they're going to be the political enforcers for the radical left.
00:19:34.000They're going to be the muscle for the Democratic Party.
00:19:37.220And we've seen, whether it's Coca-Cola or Delta Airlines, demagoguing on the Georgia voter integrity law or companies demagoguing on the Texas voter integrity law.
00:19:48.500And obviously Major League Baseball yanking the All-Star game out of Atlanta and moving to lily-white Denver instead, which just totally beclowns it.
00:20:04.420So they are so racially woke that they're going to take $100 million out of the pockets of a bunch of African-American small business owners and move it to a bunch of wealthy white people in Denver.
00:21:34.520If you guys are going to be actively fighting the American people, tearing down America, tearing down freedom, I don't want your stinking money.
00:21:45.880And I've called on other Republicans to do the same.
00:21:52.300And listen, you and I have talked about before, corporate welfare has always been garbage.
00:21:57.360And Republicans have been too willing to engage in that, where big companies come and say, give us a subsidy, give us corporate welfare, give us a Band-Aid.
00:22:06.720And I've been fighting against that from day one.
00:22:09.920A lot of other Republicans get sucked in.
00:22:12.700So the Export-Import Bank, which serves as essentially a giant subsidy for Boeing, a massive corporate welfare scam.
00:22:21.860I've fought against the XM Bank for the entire time I've been in the Senate, but a whole lot of Republicans are eager to carry Boeing's water on that.
00:23:24.600I think it is such a great move, it said, and such a strong message.
00:23:28.760And it shows what we all know to be true, that there is nothing conservative about letting these giant woke corporations totally undermine the American way of life.
00:23:38.260And that you're not going to accept their money to do it.
00:23:41.560Well, big business gets in bed with big government.
00:24:10.860So I put this op-ed out Thursday morning.
00:24:15.560And within a few hours, one of my colleagues, Josh Hawley, had already put out on Twitter that he was going to follow my lead and likewise turn down corporate PACs.
00:24:26.080I think that's going to increase the pressure on a lot of other Republicans to go down the same road.
00:24:31.540And if that happens, that's a good thing.
00:24:34.980You know, there was a line in Joe Biden's speech, which was, it was totally regurgitated left-wing talking points.
00:24:43.140Where he said, you know, the 99% and the 1% and we've got to make the rich pay their fair share, even though they already pay virtually all of the taxes.
00:24:51.240And it was this classic class warfare sort of stuff.
00:24:54.040But then I remembered the rich and especially corporations voted for Biden, donated to Biden.
00:25:03.020That is this idea that the Democrats are the party of the working man and the Republicans are these plutocrats with their fancy cigars.
00:25:10.940I mean, I might have the fancy cigars, but the idea that we're all rich Uncle Pennybags, it's just not what's going on in the parties.
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