Verdict with Ted Cruz - Tariffs!-Mexico, Canada & China-What's It Mean for You？ plus Kash Patel Shines at Hearing

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00:00:05.100 Well, good Monday morning.

00:00:06.560 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.720 And Senator, we've got a lot of breaking news,

00:00:11.700 including tariffs and retaliatory tariffs on top of that.

00:00:15.900 Well, this is a very big week.

00:00:17.720 On Tuesday of this week,

00:00:19.380 President Trump is going to impose 25% tariffs

00:00:22.780 on all imports from Mexico,

00:00:24.900 25% tariffs on all imports from Canada,

00:00:28.420 except for energy,

00:00:30.760 10% tariffs on all energy imports from Canada.

00:00:35.240 And in addition to that,

00:00:36.840 an additional 10% tariffs on all imports from Canada.

00:00:41.840 These are a big deal.

00:00:43.140 They have already started retaliatory tariffs

00:00:46.420 from Canada and Mexico.

00:00:48.240 We're going to talk about what that means.

00:00:49.700 We're going to talk about how that's going to impact

00:00:51.860 American farmers, American ranchers,

00:00:53.640 American manufacturers, American consumers.

00:00:55.700 We're going to talk about what's likely to play out

00:00:58.360 in the days and weeks and months ahead.

00:01:00.520 We're also going to talk about the big hearing

00:01:03.040 we had last week in the Senate Judiciary Committee

00:01:05.640 for Kash Patel.

00:01:06.640 Kash Patel is nominated to be the director of the FBI.

00:01:10.740 He is one of the very top targets

00:01:12.500 the Democrats are going after.

00:01:13.780 They're trying to take Kash Patel down.

00:01:15.860 I don't think they're going to succeed.

00:01:17.140 I think Kash did a very good job,

00:01:18.860 but we're going to break that down for you as well.

00:01:21.040 And finally, we're going to talk about the status

00:01:23.400 of U.S. airlines flying directly to Israel.

00:01:27.020 They have halted all flights ever since October 7th.

00:01:29.800 We're going to talk about my predictions

00:01:31.280 for what's going to happen there as well.

00:01:33.200 Yeah, that's going to be very big news

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00:03:02.180 So Senator, let's talk about how we even got to the prospect

00:03:07.040 and the premise for tariffs.

00:03:11.240 Let's start so people understand that first

00:03:13.420 because I think there's a lot of people

00:03:14.420 that don't understand that basic aspect

00:03:16.560 because it is complicated.

00:03:18.340 Well, listen, I think these tariffs are very different.

00:03:20.800 I think the Mexico and Canada tariffs

00:03:22.800 stand on a very different footing

00:03:24.180 from the China tariff.

00:03:25.980 And President Trump uses tariffs

00:03:28.520 for several different purposes.

00:03:30.600 One, President Trump is quite fond

00:03:33.080 of using tariffs as leverage

00:03:35.460 to force other countries to do things

00:03:38.240 that he wants to do,

00:03:39.300 unrelated to economics and trade.

00:03:41.500 For example, and we talked about this

00:03:43.600 on last week's podcast,

00:03:45.380 when the nation of Colombia refused to allow

00:03:48.120 U.S. planes to drop off illegal immigrants

00:03:52.000 who had come from Colombia,

00:03:53.620 President Trump responded immediately

00:03:55.280 by threatening 25% tariffs

00:03:57.160 and then threatening to ratchet them up

00:03:58.720 in a week to 50%.

00:04:00.180 That caused Colombia to cave immediately

00:04:03.320 within about eight hours.

00:04:04.380 That's an example of that.

00:04:05.860 I think the Mexico and Canada tariffs

00:04:07.980 fall into that category.

00:04:09.560 The president has explicitly tied those tariffs

00:04:13.560 to border security,

00:04:15.300 to stopping the flow of illegal immigration

00:04:17.380 coming into this country

00:04:18.780 and also to stopping the flow of fentanyl

00:04:20.540 coming into this country.

00:04:22.740 We're going to talk about that a little bit more,

00:04:24.720 but I want to draw a distinction between that

00:04:27.180 and the tariffs against China,

00:04:29.840 separate and apart from using tariffs

00:04:31.980 as leverage on other countries.

00:04:34.240 President Trump just likes tariffs.

00:04:36.500 When he sat down with all the Senate Republicans

00:04:39.040 a couple of weeks ago,

00:04:40.480 he went on for probably 20 minutes about it.

00:04:42.700 He said,

00:04:42.980 tariff is the most beautiful word 1.00

00:04:44.820 in the English language.

00:04:45.980 And he loves tariffs.

00:04:48.140 And by the way,

00:04:49.040 that has been the single most consistent policy view

00:04:53.040 of Donald Trump.

00:04:54.180 Going back to the 1980s,

00:04:55.540 going back to when Ronald Reagan was president,

00:04:58.280 Donald Trump was advocating for tariffs back then.

00:05:01.780 You'll recall in his inaugural address,

00:05:04.140 he said,

00:05:04.560 we're going to replace

00:05:05.380 the Department of Internal Revenue

00:05:07.700 with we're going to create

00:05:08.600 the Department of External Revenue.

00:05:11.080 And so in my view,

00:05:13.420 the China tariffs of 10%,

00:05:15.460 he is viewing as a long-term revenue stream.

00:05:19.140 He doesn't intend to lift those tariffs.

00:05:20.720 He intends for those to be in place.

00:05:22.760 He intends for those to decrease

00:05:25.200 the production of what's being made in China.

00:05:28.380 He wants that to move more production

00:05:30.760 to the United States,

00:05:32.460 but understand that tariffs predictably,

00:05:35.700 that they are a tax that consumers pay.

00:05:38.580 They will drive up the prices of imports

00:05:41.640 coming from China.

00:05:43.240 Now they're designed to drive up the prices

00:05:44.900 of imports coming from China

00:05:46.280 because they are designed to make

00:05:49.300 products produced in America more competitive.

00:05:52.560 So the China tariff,

00:05:54.120 I don't expect the president to lift it

00:05:56.600 in four years.

00:05:58.020 I expect that to be.

00:05:59.220 And in fact,

00:05:59.960 he may well impose more tariffs on China.

00:06:03.100 Look,

00:06:03.960 I actually think that makes sense

00:06:05.720 in a broader sense.

00:06:06.640 And I can tell you

00:06:07.380 the advice that I've given President Trump,

00:06:09.960 the advice that I've given

00:06:10.920 his incoming cabinet

00:06:12.060 when it comes to tariffs

00:06:13.340 is focus in the long term

00:06:15.720 on two things.

00:06:16.660 Number one,

00:06:17.300 China and China has seized 0.93

00:06:19.760 far too much of our critical infrastructure.

00:06:22.320 We are too dependent on China 0.98

00:06:23.780 and I want to link our economy from China.

00:06:26.240 And so these tariffs will accelerate that process.

00:06:29.880 But number two,

00:06:31.680 what I have urged the president

00:06:33.060 is reciprocity.

00:06:34.500 There are countries we trade with

00:06:37.420 who have high tariffs on our goods

00:06:39.620 and we have lower non-existent tariffs

00:06:42.120 on their goods.

00:06:43.080 And I think that

00:06:44.160 that is us being taken advantage of.

00:06:46.940 And so my hope is

00:06:48.300 that he will use targeted tariffs

00:06:51.620 to press reciprocity.

00:06:53.700 Now,

00:06:54.840 I'm going to make a prediction, Ben.

00:06:56.440 My prediction is

00:06:57.520 that the Trump administration

00:06:58.620 will lift the tariffs,

00:07:00.360 will end the 25% tariffs

00:07:02.900 on Mexico and Canada.

00:07:05.120 I'm going to throw out a date

00:07:06.360 36 days from now.

00:07:09.020 I don't know.

00:07:09.340 This is clearly short term

00:07:10.920 in comparison to China,

00:07:12.620 is your point?

00:07:13.340 I do not think

00:07:14.600 we will see these tariffs

00:07:15.720 in place for four years.

00:07:17.540 I don't even think

00:07:18.140 we'll see them in place

00:07:19.060 for one year.

00:07:19.820 And we can talk about

00:07:20.840 the magnitude of them

00:07:21.960 and why.

00:07:23.560 I can tell you,

00:07:24.080 I met a couple of weeks ago.

00:07:25.820 The Canadian energy minister

00:07:27.220 came to meet with me

00:07:28.160 and understand,

00:07:29.720 we import a ton of oil

00:07:32.140 from Canada.

00:07:32.920 You remember the first Trump term?

00:07:34.700 Yeah.

00:07:35.040 Remember the big fight

00:07:36.080 over the Keystone Pipeline?

00:07:37.580 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:38.740 And we were all in favor of it.

00:07:40.040 Republicans were in favor of it.

00:07:41.340 Drill, baby, drill. 1.00

00:07:42.240 Keystone Pipeline?

00:07:43.480 Yeah.

00:07:44.200 That pipeline was to import oil

00:07:46.140 from Canada.

00:07:46.740 The Keystone Pipeline

00:07:48.360 flowed from

00:07:49.980 or was going to flow

00:07:50.920 from Canada

00:07:51.580 down to the United States.

00:07:53.060 They have massive oil reserves

00:07:55.140 in Alberta.

00:07:55.960 The tar sands there.

00:07:57.500 And the Keystone Pipeline

00:07:58.580 was to carry that oil

00:07:59.520 down to the United States.

00:08:00.740 Now,

00:08:01.080 when the Canadian energy minister

00:08:03.320 came to my office

00:08:04.200 two weeks ago,

00:08:05.020 he was pressing

00:08:05.880 their internal studies

00:08:07.860 that showed

00:08:09.540 that a 25% 0.76

00:08:10.760 on Canadian oil and gas

00:08:12.420 would drive up

00:08:13.980 the cost of gasoline

00:08:15.220 in the United States

00:08:16.300 in the Midwest

00:08:16.920 by 80 to 85 cents a gallon.

00:08:19.200 Now,

00:08:19.580 that's a pretty

00:08:20.140 significant consequence,

00:08:21.680 which is why

00:08:22.880 the Trump White House

00:08:24.040 did not impose

00:08:25.300 a 25% tax

00:08:26.800 on Canadian oil and gas,

00:08:28.780 but only 10%.

00:08:29.720 And I know

00:08:31.420 the Trump White House.

00:08:32.480 Canada shared with them

00:08:33.740 the very same studies

00:08:35.360 they had.

00:08:35.860 I don't know how true

00:08:36.560 or accurate they were,

00:08:37.600 but they claimed

00:08:39.720 that was what

00:08:40.300 their empirical economists

00:08:41.360 were predicting.

00:08:42.340 And listen,

00:08:42.920 it's not crazy

00:08:43.920 because there are a number

00:08:45.420 of refineries,

00:08:46.320 particularly serving

00:08:46.980 the Midwest,

00:08:48.220 that are dependent

00:08:49.200 upon Canadian oil

00:08:50.880 in particular.

00:08:51.480 And one of the things

00:08:52.420 that you know,

00:08:53.300 but our listeners may not,

00:08:55.240 is different refineries

00:08:56.640 are built and designed

00:08:58.140 to refine different oil

00:09:00.260 that comes from

00:09:01.400 different parts of the world,

00:09:03.020 whether Canada

00:09:03.620 or the Permian Basin

00:09:04.660 or the Middle East.

00:09:05.740 And it is very costly

00:09:07.220 and very expensive

00:09:08.180 for a refinery

00:09:09.000 to shift

00:09:09.600 from one type of oil

00:09:11.200 to another.

00:09:11.700 So the refineries

00:09:12.880 that are right now

00:09:14.480 refining Canadian oil,

00:09:16.580 they don't have

00:09:17.060 a whole lot of options

00:09:17.920 to shift,

00:09:18.500 which is one of the reasons

00:09:19.600 why driving up the cost

00:09:21.760 of the Canadian oil

00:09:22.520 significantly,

00:09:24.040 I think,

00:09:25.140 predictably would have

00:09:26.320 real effects

00:09:27.020 in the gasoline market.

00:09:28.300 You'll see some effects

00:09:29.380 on gasoline,

00:09:30.820 but at 10% instead of 25%,

00:09:32.700 I think the effects

00:09:34.240 will not be as marked.

00:09:35.560 So you look at that

00:09:36.680 and you say,

00:09:37.220 okay,

00:09:37.480 if they know

00:09:38.380 this is going to be

00:09:39.200 a short-term thing,

00:09:40.800 can't they just wait it out?

00:09:42.440 And this goes back

00:09:43.580 to the game

00:09:44.100 because they're also

00:09:44.920 retaliating

00:09:45.780 with their own tariffs.

00:09:47.560 Well,

00:09:48.100 they are,

00:09:49.020 but listen,

00:09:49.940 this is a game

00:09:50.880 of inflicting pain.

00:09:52.900 And these tariffs,

00:09:54.120 I believe,

00:09:54.720 will inflict some pain

00:09:57.020 on the United States.

00:09:58.080 They will drive up

00:09:58.780 costs for consumers.

00:10:00.380 But you can predict

00:10:01.680 they will inflict

00:10:02.560 more pain 0.63

00:10:03.800 on Mexico

00:10:05.200 and more pain

00:10:06.560 on Canada

00:10:07.340 because their economies

00:10:08.960 are much more dependent

00:10:10.600 on exporting

00:10:11.740 to the United States

00:10:12.740 than our economies

00:10:13.620 are dependent

00:10:15.060 on importing from them.

00:10:16.700 And so the levels

00:10:18.640 of pain

00:10:19.380 are disproportionate.

00:10:21.240 Now,

00:10:21.560 I'm going to share

00:10:22.460 with you some analysis

00:10:23.440 from an economist

00:10:24.320 who I know and respect.

00:10:26.040 It's one of the best economists

00:10:27.340 who's analyzing

00:10:28.820 what's going on.

00:10:29.620 And here was his analysis.

00:10:31.480 His analysis was

00:10:32.760 that the effective

00:10:33.600 tariff rate,

00:10:36.020 if Mexico and Canada

00:10:37.920 and these tariffs

00:10:38.540 remain in effect

00:10:39.460 for a year,

00:10:40.860 that it would raise

00:10:42.700 approximately

00:10:43.520 $150 billion

00:10:45.500 of new tariff revenue

00:10:48.280 on an annual basis

00:10:50.040 and is the fiscal equivalent

00:10:52.260 of a 10 to 11 percent

00:10:54.100 increase

00:10:54.640 in the corporate tax rate.

00:10:56.260 So that's not small.

00:10:58.600 And the scale

00:11:00.200 of these tariffs,

00:11:01.140 this economist

00:11:01.620 is continuing,

00:11:02.660 is significantly larger

00:11:04.440 than Trump's tariff increase

00:11:05.920 on China in 2018

00:11:07.080 and 2019.

00:11:08.620 Those tariffs

00:11:09.460 in 2018 and 2019

00:11:10.940 were about $30 billion

00:11:12.560 a year in revenue.

00:11:14.500 These tariffs,

00:11:15.520 if they stay in effect

00:11:16.360 for the entire year,

00:11:17.460 are projected to be

00:11:18.480 four to five times larger

00:11:20.980 than the 2018 to 2019 tariffs

00:11:24.060 when fully implemented.

00:11:25.580 Now,

00:11:26.340 here's another aspect of this,

00:11:27.760 and this is the same economist

00:11:28.900 who's very good,

00:11:30.300 which is

00:11:30.980 expectations

00:11:32.540 for tariff increases

00:11:34.400 happening in the Trump

00:11:35.400 administrations

00:11:36.320 were relatively low.

00:11:38.520 Betting markets

00:11:39.140 had the odds

00:11:39.920 of 35 percent

00:11:41.600 for an early tariff increase.

00:11:43.720 And Mexico

00:11:44.520 was mostly priced in,

00:11:46.340 but Canada was not.

00:11:47.740 So the financial markets

00:11:48.720 were pricing in

00:11:49.560 some tariff increases.

00:11:52.460 Treasury Secretary

00:11:53.780 Scott Bessent

00:11:54.620 observed recently

00:11:56.780 that for every 10 percent

00:11:57.960 increase in tariffs,

00:11:59.560 a 4 percent

00:12:00.860 currency depreciation.

00:12:02.540 So the Mexican peso

00:12:04.480 right now

00:12:05.160 has a 9.4 percent

00:12:06.660 depreciation

00:12:07.500 relative to the dollar

00:12:08.600 since August 1st,

00:12:10.100 which suggests

00:12:10.860 that a lot of the tariffs

00:12:13.660 were already priced in.

00:12:15.700 Canada's is about 0.96

00:12:16.460 half of that.

00:12:17.400 So Canada,

00:12:18.880 you could expect

00:12:19.700 to see more depreciation

00:12:21.060 of the Canadian dollar.

00:12:23.240 And, you know,

00:12:25.200 the point of that,

00:12:26.960 that's one of the reasons

00:12:28.020 I don't think

00:12:29.280 these will remain

00:12:30.940 in effect for long.

00:12:31.880 As I said,

00:12:32.340 my prediction is 36 days.

00:12:33.680 And here's what I'm predicting

00:12:34.500 will happen in 36 days.

00:12:36.160 In 36 days or so,

00:12:38.700 that's a number

00:12:39.480 picked out of the hat,

00:12:40.320 but that gives you

00:12:40.920 a sense of how long

00:12:41.880 I think it will be.

00:12:43.180 The president will announce,

00:12:44.940 with a lot of fanfare,

00:12:47.060 major concessions

00:12:48.620 from Mexico and Canada,

00:12:49.800 that they are going

00:12:50.620 to invest in a massive way

00:12:52.580 in securing the border.

00:12:54.320 They're going to put,

00:12:54.920 Mexico's going to put 0.99

00:12:55.860 soldiers on their

00:12:57.340 southern border.

00:12:58.040 They're going to

00:12:58.380 reinvigorate

00:12:59.500 the Remain in Mexico policy.

00:13:01.560 They are going to lean in

00:13:02.640 and Canada's going to as well.

00:13:04.240 I can tell you,

00:13:04.980 when I met with

00:13:05.620 the Canadian energy minister,

00:13:07.460 my advice to him,

00:13:09.140 I said,

00:13:09.580 listen,

00:13:10.680 Trump is not bluffing.

00:13:12.380 You are making a mistake

00:13:13.800 if you think

00:13:14.520 Trump is bluffing.

00:13:15.420 And he said,

00:13:15.740 well, look,

00:13:16.160 we're already promising

00:13:17.200 all sorts of steps

00:13:18.180 to help secure the border.

00:13:19.920 I said, great,

00:13:20.560 whatever you're doing,

00:13:21.680 make it bigger,

00:13:22.600 make it bolder,

00:13:23.880 do as much as you can,

00:13:25.740 because this is not a bluff.

00:13:27.760 And I think the end

00:13:29.100 of these tariffs,

00:13:30.020 I think these tariffs

00:13:30.700 will be lifted,

00:13:31.760 but they will be lifted

00:13:32.800 only after Mexico 0.67

00:13:35.300 and Canada make

00:13:36.500 massive commitments

00:13:38.220 to help secure the border.

00:13:39.460 And I got to admit,

00:13:40.280 if that's the case,

00:13:42.020 listen,

00:13:42.780 Texas will feel

00:13:43.820 some real pain,

00:13:44.720 in particular from

00:13:45.820 the tariffs on Mexico.

00:13:48.240 Understand that Texas

00:13:49.320 and Mexico

00:13:50.120 engage in hundreds

00:13:52.120 of billions of dollars

00:13:53.220 of trade back and forth.

00:13:55.040 Cars,

00:13:56.180 many, many cars

00:13:57.160 and trucks

00:13:57.600 sold in the United States,

00:13:59.160 the cars on the supply chain

00:14:00.860 go back and forth

00:14:01.860 from Texas to Mexico

00:14:02.840 to Texas to Mexico,

00:14:04.280 sometimes four or five times

00:14:05.780 in the construction of a car.

00:14:07.620 If these tariffs

00:14:08.640 remain in place

00:14:09.380 for a long time,

00:14:10.460 you can expect

00:14:11.420 significant upward pressure

00:14:12.920 on the price of a car.

00:14:14.440 That's not good,

00:14:15.420 and it's not good

00:14:16.040 for Texas farmers

00:14:16.900 and ranchers

00:14:17.500 in the long term.

00:14:18.720 If this ends up

00:14:20.280 being a relatively

00:14:21.540 short-term tariff,

00:14:22.940 and the effect

00:14:24.680 is to produce

00:14:26.120 a massive change

00:14:27.520 of behavior

00:14:28.080 from Mexico especially,

00:14:30.040 but also Canada

00:14:30.840 to help secure

00:14:31.880 the borders

00:14:32.340 and to help stop

00:14:33.240 the fentanyl flow,

00:14:34.900 it will be a huge victory.

00:14:36.840 But that is dependent

00:14:38.040 upon Mexico and Canada

00:14:39.760 now stepping up

00:14:40.640 and acting,

00:14:41.140 and I think

00:14:41.520 the pain inflicted

00:14:43.080 will accelerate

00:14:43.880 that process.

00:14:44.760 Well, and then

00:14:45.260 this goes back

00:14:46.140 to the practicality

00:14:47.260 aspect of this,

00:14:48.160 and for people

00:14:48.780 that are listening,

00:14:49.760 what Donald Trump

00:14:51.140 is saying is

00:14:52.100 it is worth

00:14:53.660 this short-term

00:14:55.540 rise in some things

00:14:58.220 for us to get

00:15:00.120 a secure border

00:15:01.180 where we're not

00:15:01.800 letting in

00:15:02.520 millions of people

00:15:04.180 and rapists 0.74

00:15:05.940 and sex trafficking

00:15:07.240 and fentanyl

00:15:08.200 and everything else

00:15:09.420 that's been flooding

00:15:10.080 our border

00:15:10.540 because there's

00:15:11.060 a clear mandate there,

00:15:11.980 and this is the way

00:15:12.860 to use leverage

00:15:13.880 to get that done.

00:15:15.080 So that's true,

00:15:17.100 but let me give

00:15:17.660 another benefit of this,

00:15:19.020 and there was actually

00:15:19.860 a quote of a national

00:15:21.080 security analyst

00:15:22.200 in the New York Times

00:15:23.620 who says Trump,

00:15:28.000 quote, 1.00

00:15:29.080 will need to kill 0.99

00:15:30.000 a chicken 0.92

00:15:30.460 to scare the monkeys.

00:15:33.440 Now, what that quote

00:15:34.840 means is showing

00:15:36.260 the world

00:15:37.000 that he's serious

00:15:38.700 about tariffs

00:15:39.760 and his threats

00:15:40.360 are credible.

00:15:41.520 And listen,

00:15:42.220 I think it says a lot

00:15:44.800 that these tariffs

00:15:46.080 were announced

00:15:46.880 right at the same time

00:15:48.020 that Trump sent

00:15:48.640 his Secretary of State,

00:15:49.700 Marco Rubio,

00:15:50.640 down to Panama.

00:15:51.920 I think these tariffs

00:15:52.960 are speaking very clearly

00:15:54.800 to Panama.

00:15:55.340 I think these tariffs

00:15:56.160 are speaking very clearly

00:15:57.660 to Greenland

00:15:58.960 and to Denmark.

00:16:00.340 And these tariffs

00:16:01.080 are speaking to people

00:16:02.040 around the globe

00:16:03.100 that Trump is perfectly willing,

00:16:06.400 when he says

00:16:06.960 he'll impose tariffs,

00:16:08.380 he'll do that.

00:16:09.420 And that deterrent effect

00:16:12.020 I think is enormously valuable.

00:16:14.780 So it's not just

00:16:15.960 the change of behavior

00:16:17.500 from Mexico and Canada,

00:16:18.840 but it's the rest

00:16:20.260 of the world saying,

00:16:21.460 holy cow, 0.51

00:16:22.180 this guy will really do this.

00:16:24.280 And so we need

00:16:25.740 to act accordingly.

00:16:27.420 That's a big deal.

00:16:29.060 You mentioned Panama

00:16:30.140 and this broke

00:16:30.980 on Sunday afternoon.

00:16:32.860 And is this one

00:16:34.180 of those victories

00:16:35.440 that comes out

00:16:36.240 of these tariffs?

00:16:36.960 And that is the fact

00:16:38.040 that we heard

00:16:38.700 from the president of Panama

00:16:39.860 that they could have decided

00:16:41.360 not to renew

00:16:41.920 the 2017 Memorandum

00:16:43.640 of Understanding with China

00:16:44.900 regarding the Belt

00:16:46.180 and Road Initiative,

00:16:48.020 like immediately following

00:16:49.780 that meeting

00:16:50.380 with Marco Rubio.

00:16:52.240 Absolutely.

00:16:53.160 That is a significant victory.

00:16:56.260 And look,

00:16:57.740 we predicted,

00:16:58.960 we did a podcast

00:16:59.720 immediately right at the beginning

00:17:01.240 of the Trump administration

00:17:02.100 talking about Panama,

00:17:04.080 Greenland,

00:17:04.580 and Canada.

00:17:05.140 And at the time I said,

00:17:07.660 listen,

00:17:08.100 Canada is not going

00:17:09.660 to become the 51st state.

00:17:11.720 That,

00:17:12.080 what Trump's talking

00:17:13.060 about Canada

00:17:13.720 becoming a state,

00:17:14.780 I believe,

00:17:15.640 was just trolling

00:17:16.560 Justin Trudeau.

00:17:18.080 And it remains 0.73

00:17:19.400 the most epic troll

00:17:20.840 in history.

00:17:21.480 It literally caused Trudeau

00:17:23.240 to announce his resignation

00:17:24.280 within days.

00:17:25.420 And I think he was just

00:17:26.500 yanking his chain.

00:17:29.160 Greenland,

00:17:29.780 we've talked about before.

00:17:31.100 I think there are

00:17:31.880 very strong

00:17:33.040 national security

00:17:34.260 and economic reasons

00:17:35.280 why acquiring Greenland

00:17:36.860 makes sense.

00:17:37.980 I don't think

00:17:38.580 it should be done

00:17:39.220 through force.

00:17:39.940 I think it should be done

00:17:41.000 through negotiations.

00:17:42.160 I think we should offer

00:17:43.440 to purchase Greenland

00:17:44.540 from Denmark.

00:17:45.780 I think it's in Denmark's 0.86

00:17:46.760 interest to do so.

00:17:47.760 I had a long conversation

00:17:48.740 with the Danish ambassador

00:17:50.340 about exactly this.

00:17:51.500 And I said,

00:17:51.940 listen,

00:17:52.260 Denmark is a friend,

00:17:53.760 you're an ally,

00:17:54.860 but friends and allies

00:17:55.760 can talk honestly

00:17:56.560 with each other.

00:17:57.200 And I think it's

00:17:57.720 in your interest

00:17:58.360 and our interest

00:17:59.020 for America

00:17:59.820 to acquire Greenland.

00:18:00.740 I think it would also

00:18:02.000 take a referendum

00:18:03.160 of the Greenlanders.

00:18:04.660 But there are only

00:18:05.780 about 50,000 Greenlanders,

00:18:07.600 number one,

00:18:08.880 if Greenland became

00:18:09.920 an American territory.

00:18:11.820 U.S. citizenship

00:18:12.920 is an incredibly

00:18:14.360 valuable inducement

00:18:15.840 we have.

00:18:16.400 And for the Greenlanders,

00:18:17.340 the opportunity

00:18:17.940 to become American citizens

00:18:19.680 is a big deal.

00:18:21.680 Not only that,

00:18:22.520 look,

00:18:22.720 I could imagine

00:18:23.460 a scenario

00:18:24.040 where the Greenlanders 0.63

00:18:26.120 get a direct payment.

00:18:27.380 If you can imagine

00:18:28.120 Greenlanders getting 1.00

00:18:29.120 50 grand each

00:18:30.580 for 50,000 of them,

00:18:32.520 that'd be pretty

00:18:33.280 darn compelling

00:18:33.900 if you had a referendum

00:18:34.940 and the upside

00:18:35.680 of being acquired

00:18:36.600 is that you get

00:18:37.540 some direct form

00:18:39.320 of compensation.

00:18:41.060 And beyond that,

00:18:42.800 if Greenland

00:18:43.420 was an American territory,

00:18:45.460 I think the American

00:18:46.960 investment that would

00:18:47.980 flow into Greenland,

00:18:49.080 both for its

00:18:49.700 geopolitical location

00:18:51.100 on the Arctic

00:18:51.920 for national security

00:18:53.740 and defense,

00:18:54.400 but also because

00:18:55.120 of the vast

00:18:55.880 critical minerals

00:18:56.960 and resources,

00:18:58.140 I think that

00:18:58.720 investment would be

00:18:59.720 in the billions

00:19:00.640 of dollars.

00:19:01.540 And that,

00:19:02.260 if you're a Greenlander,

00:19:03.360 I could think of

00:19:03.860 an awful lot of reasons

00:19:04.780 why you say,

00:19:05.940 hey,

00:19:06.180 we're not getting much

00:19:07.220 from being part of Denmark,

00:19:08.280 but if we could be

00:19:09.860 part of America,

00:19:10.560 that's a big step forward.

00:19:13.560 So you look at that

00:19:15.300 and then you go back

00:19:16.400 to this broader question

00:19:18.060 and you see what

00:19:19.980 President Trump's

00:19:20.920 strategy is.

00:19:22.100 He's taking on

00:19:22.980 a lot of these issues.

00:19:24.040 I've heard people say,

00:19:24.840 well,

00:19:24.940 he's just going to be

00:19:25.660 stretches too thin

00:19:27.380 too quickly.

00:19:28.500 It doesn't seem

00:19:29.820 to be the case

00:19:30.680 at all in reality.

00:19:31.640 It seems that

00:19:32.380 a lot of this

00:19:32.900 was planned out

00:19:34.360 and the people

00:19:35.360 are in place

00:19:36.080 and the people

00:19:36.600 around to see

00:19:37.220 these things through.

00:19:38.680 Look,

00:19:39.620 border security

00:19:40.660 is the clearest

00:19:41.540 and most direct

00:19:42.360 mandate from this election.

00:19:44.220 And I think

00:19:44.660 almost any step

00:19:45.520 he takes to secure

00:19:46.400 the border

00:19:46.900 is good and beneficial.

00:19:48.920 It's why Columbia

00:19:49.780 made a lot of sense.

00:19:50.920 They're leaning

00:19:51.380 in hard on that

00:19:52.280 and that is very positive.

00:19:54.160 We need to keep

00:19:54.700 doing that.

00:19:55.200 Final question

00:19:56.400 on this one.

00:19:57.540 For people

00:19:58.080 that are saying,

00:19:58.880 well,

00:19:59.180 the prices

00:19:59.920 is something

00:20:00.520 that I care about

00:20:01.240 more than

00:20:01.860 the border security

00:20:03.160 and I don't want

00:20:04.640 to pay 10 cents

00:20:05.460 more a gallon

00:20:06.000 or whatever the number

00:20:06.860 is.

00:20:07.980 Is that something

00:20:09.220 you say

00:20:09.800 this is where

00:20:10.500 you have to decide

00:20:11.060 what's more important

00:20:11.780 in general?

00:20:12.880 Well,

00:20:13.440 look,

00:20:13.660 it also comes down

00:20:14.500 to whether this

00:20:15.040 is short term

00:20:15.620 or long term.

00:20:16.580 If this is,

00:20:18.080 if the Canada

00:20:18.620 and Mexico tariffs

00:20:19.680 are a matter

00:20:21.000 of weeks

00:20:21.600 or a month

00:20:22.120 or so

00:20:22.680 and it induces

00:20:24.540 a significant

00:20:25.180 change in behavior

00:20:26.160 that secures

00:20:26.760 the border

00:20:27.200 and results

00:20:27.840 in a lot

00:20:28.760 less murderers

00:20:29.420 and gangbangers 0.99

00:20:30.060 and rapists 0.99

00:20:30.560 coming into this 0.94

00:20:31.160 country

00:20:31.480 and a lot

00:20:31.800 less fentanyl

00:20:32.320 coming into

00:20:32.760 this country,

00:20:33.640 that's an

00:20:34.080 unambiguous win.

00:20:35.780 If the result

00:20:36.680 of this tariffs

00:20:37.380 is just ongoing

00:20:38.220 tariffs driving

00:20:38.980 up prices

00:20:39.440 for a long,

00:20:40.140 long time,

00:20:41.020 then that is

00:20:41.660 not nearly

00:20:42.240 as beneficial

00:20:42.920 and so the

00:20:43.480 outcome is

00:20:44.180 significant

00:20:44.720 and as I said

00:20:46.220 before,

00:20:46.700 I think the

00:20:47.460 Mexico and Canada

00:20:48.280 tariffs are very,

00:20:49.800 very different

00:20:50.440 from the China

00:20:51.360 tariffs.

00:20:51.720 I expect the

00:20:52.300 China tariffs

00:20:52.860 to stay in place

00:20:53.740 all four years

00:20:55.040 of the Trump

00:20:55.440 administration

00:20:56.100 and I think

00:20:57.400 they're serving

00:20:57.880 a very different

00:20:58.420 function.

00:20:59.440 Canadian women

00:21:00.280 are looking

00:21:00.740 for more,

00:21:01.620 more out of

00:21:01.980 themselves,

00:21:02.680 their businesses,

00:21:03.620 their elected

00:21:04.040 leaders,

00:21:04.580 and the world

00:21:05.140 around them.

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00:21:30.400 I want to move

00:21:31.400 on to another

00:21:32.220 big issue and

00:21:33.120 that is

00:21:33.620 confirmation

00:21:34.040 hearings.

00:21:35.080 Cash Patel's

00:21:36.100 was at the end

00:21:37.620 of last week

00:21:38.260 as well and

00:21:39.260 we are now

00:21:39.980 seeing a lot

00:21:41.180 of people that

00:21:41.860 are getting

00:21:42.340 their audios.

00:21:44.080 See you later.

00:21:45.200 Thanks for

00:21:45.620 serving.

00:21:46.260 You're out of a

00:21:46.960 job in the

00:21:48.180 deep state.

00:21:48.800 This is

00:21:49.300 another reason

00:21:49.980 why we need

00:21:50.440 to get

00:21:50.700 Cash Patel

00:21:51.580 in there

00:21:52.060 quickly.

00:21:52.900 Let's talk

00:21:53.520 about where

00:21:54.020 that is and

00:21:54.500 also you had

00:21:55.300 a very

00:21:55.720 interesting

00:21:56.260 back and

00:21:56.840 forth with

00:21:57.260 him over 0.71

00:21:58.000 some of

00:21:58.340 the things

00:21:59.200 that the

00:21:59.680 left is

00:22:00.100 trying to

00:22:00.520 attack him

00:22:01.240 on.

00:22:01.940 Well the

00:22:02.700 hearing the

00:22:04.100 Democrats went

00:22:05.340 after Cash

00:22:06.080 Patel

00:22:06.720 furiously as

00:22:08.160 I said on

00:22:09.340 Hannity last

00:22:10.240 week.

00:22:11.480 The hearing

00:22:12.880 reminded me of

00:22:14.080 Shakespeare's

00:22:15.280 Macbeth.

00:22:15.800 It was a

00:22:16.620 tale told

00:22:17.200 by an 1.00

00:22:17.520 idiot full 1.00

00:22:18.020 of sound 1.00

00:22:18.420 and fury

00:22:18.860 and signifying

00:22:19.560 nothing.

00:22:20.600 The Democrats

00:22:21.540 did not get

00:22:22.100 any traction.

00:22:22.900 They were

00:22:23.340 foaming at

00:22:23.940 the mouth.

00:22:24.420 They were

00:22:24.580 coming after

00:22:25.280 him ferociously

00:22:27.180 and yet I

00:22:28.720 don't think

00:22:29.040 they moved

00:22:29.440 a single

00:22:29.820 vote.

00:22:30.180 I think

00:22:30.600 Cash Patel

00:22:31.300 will get

00:22:31.840 confirmed.

00:22:33.060 Now every

00:22:34.380 Democrat on

00:22:34.940 the committee

00:22:35.240 is going

00:22:35.500 to vote

00:22:35.780 no and

00:22:36.240 my guess

00:22:36.740 is every

00:22:37.160 Democrat

00:22:37.540 in the

00:22:37.840 Senate

00:22:38.040 is going

00:22:38.400 to vote

00:22:38.700 no on

00:22:39.100 him.

00:22:39.760 But I

00:22:40.340 think we

00:22:40.800 will get

00:22:41.360 we might

00:22:42.320 get to

00:22:42.680 53 but

00:22:43.700 we will at

00:22:44.160 a minimum

00:22:44.520 get to

00:22:45.000 50 with

00:22:45.580 J.D.

00:22:45.940 Vance

00:22:46.180 breaking

00:22:46.500 the tie

00:22:47.060 and I

00:22:47.840 don't think

00:22:48.180 the hearing

00:22:48.660 moved a

00:22:49.300 single vote.

00:22:50.680 When my

00:22:51.300 questioning

00:22:51.800 occurred

00:22:52.360 the week

00:22:53.660 before I

00:22:54.320 had spent

00:22:54.860 a couple

00:22:55.660 of hours

00:22:56.240 helping

00:22:56.880 moot

00:22:57.460 Cash Patel

00:22:58.080 helping get

00:22:58.780 him ready

00:22:59.100 I actually

00:22:59.540 got to

00:22:59.940 play

00:23:00.280 Sheldon

00:23:01.380 Whitehouse

00:23:01.900 who's a

00:23:02.260 very liberal

00:23:02.740 senator

00:23:03.100 in the

00:23:03.900 moot

00:23:04.180 and I

00:23:04.740 gotta say

00:23:05.160 it was

00:23:05.460 fun

00:23:05.760 just raving 0.90

00:23:06.500 at him

00:23:06.860 screaming 0.51

00:23:07.300 at him

00:23:07.760 I tried

00:23:08.400 to insult

00:23:08.980 him

00:23:09.200 I was a 1.00

00:23:09.960 total jerk 1.00

00:23:10.540 in the 1.00

00:23:11.000 moot

00:23:11.220 which if

00:23:11.720 you're

00:23:11.880 doing

00:23:12.020 a moot

00:23:12.300 well

00:23:12.660 explain

00:23:13.680 for people

00:23:14.020 that don't

00:23:14.340 know how

00:23:14.620 this works

00:23:15.180 you get

00:23:16.040 people

00:23:16.520 and I've

00:23:16.920 gotten to

00:23:17.220 do this

00:23:17.620 a couple

00:23:17.980 of times

00:23:18.300 it's really

00:23:18.760 fun

00:23:19.160 you get

00:23:19.960 somebody

00:23:20.320 ready for

00:23:20.760 a confirmation

00:23:21.260 hearing

00:23:21.940 and many

00:23:23.760 people like

00:23:24.320 you just

00:23:24.700 described

00:23:25.120 you play

00:23:26.020 the other

00:23:26.480 side

00:23:26.860 you try

00:23:27.360 to get

00:23:27.780 them ready

00:23:28.220 for what

00:23:28.740 they're

00:23:28.960 going to

00:23:29.220 face

00:23:29.520 and the

00:23:30.460 setting

00:23:30.860 that you

00:23:31.180 do it

00:23:31.560 in

00:23:31.800 was this

00:23:32.260 more relaxed

00:23:32.920 or was it

00:23:33.280 more formal

00:23:33.840 I don't know

00:23:34.400 it was done

00:23:34.940 exactly like

00:23:35.660 a hearing

00:23:36.020 he was

00:23:36.360 sitting at

00:23:36.720 a table

00:23:37.100 we were

00:23:37.580 around him

00:23:38.420 like firing

00:23:39.320 questions

00:23:39.900 at him

00:23:40.360 and

00:23:40.680 sometimes

00:23:41.920 you do

00:23:42.360 it this

00:23:42.620 way

00:23:42.800 sometimes

00:23:43.100 you don't

00:23:43.640 but in

00:23:43.920 this instance

00:23:44.500 they gave

00:23:45.040 me the

00:23:45.880 role of

00:23:46.320 Sheldon

00:23:46.640 Whitehouse

00:23:47.120 who's one

00:23:47.540 of the

00:23:47.720 most partisan

00:23:48.260 democrats

00:23:48.820 on the

00:23:49.100 committee

00:23:49.360 I've

00:23:49.680 served

00:23:49.860 with

00:23:50.040 Sheldon

00:23:50.400 13

00:23:51.140 years

00:23:51.600 I know

00:23:52.040 him

00:23:52.180 well

00:23:52.580 and so

00:23:53.640 you know

00:23:53.960 I mean

00:23:54.160 I was

00:23:54.560 screaming 0.51

00:23:55.180 at him

00:23:55.800 and my

00:23:56.360 questions

00:23:57.680 were wildly

00:23:58.520 unfair

00:23:58.960 but you

00:24:01.240 got to get

00:24:01.560 ready for

00:24:01.980 wildly unfair

00:24:02.680 questions

00:24:03.140 I was not

00:24:03.840 trying to be

00:24:04.320 nice to him

00:24:04.820 in the mood

00:24:05.140 because that

00:24:05.760 if you're

00:24:06.560 doing that

00:24:07.040 you're not

00:24:07.380 doing your

00:24:07.740 job in a

00:24:08.240 mood

00:24:09.320 I gotta

00:24:09.780 say

00:24:10.240 he did

00:24:11.500 so it was

00:24:12.020 interesting

00:24:12.340 in the mood

00:24:12.740 a couple

00:24:13.120 of times

00:24:13.760 like Cash

00:24:15.040 would try

00:24:15.380 to pop

00:24:15.780 back

00:24:16.100 and we

00:24:16.380 would stop

00:24:16.840 and say

00:24:17.140 look

00:24:17.440 it's not

00:24:18.140 your job

00:24:18.780 to punch 0.99

00:24:20.940 the democrats 1.00

00:24:21.460 in the face

00:24:22.100 in this

00:24:22.540 hearing

00:24:22.820 my advice

00:24:24.580 by the way

00:24:25.120 to every

00:24:25.640 hearing

00:24:26.000 nominee

00:24:26.360 is be

00:24:28.160 boring

00:24:28.700 right now

00:24:30.640 today

00:24:30.940 you've got

00:24:31.420 the votes

00:24:31.780 to be

00:24:32.100 confirmed

00:24:32.540 from the

00:24:33.680 democrats

00:24:34.100 perspective

00:24:34.680 the only

00:24:35.060 way they

00:24:35.360 can change

00:24:36.040 that

00:24:36.380 is get

00:24:37.760 you to

00:24:38.100 say

00:24:38.340 something

00:24:38.740 in the

00:24:39.100 hearing

00:24:39.560 where you

00:24:40.720 step on

00:24:42.000 a landmine

00:24:42.600 and blow 1.00

00:24:43.000 yourself up 0.86

00:24:43.720 if you

00:24:44.820 don't do

00:24:45.400 that

00:24:45.680 you will

00:24:46.040 be confirmed

00:24:46.660 and you

00:24:47.040 will go

00:24:47.280 do the

00:24:47.640 job the

00:24:48.120 president

00:24:48.440 has asked

00:24:48.880 you to

00:24:49.100 do

00:24:49.320 and so

00:24:51.100 a good

00:24:53.080 role of a

00:24:53.680 hearing

00:24:54.000 someone you

00:24:54.780 know very

00:24:55.240 well is

00:24:55.780 John Ashcroft

00:24:56.980 so when I

00:24:59.100 was a young

00:24:59.740 baby lawyer

00:25:00.560 I was part

00:25:02.280 of the team

00:25:02.840 that helped

00:25:03.720 prepare John

00:25:04.560 Ashcroft

00:25:05.200 for his

00:25:06.280 confirmation

00:25:06.780 hearing to

00:25:07.680 be attorney

00:25:08.060 general

00:25:08.420 and I

00:25:09.560 was you

00:25:10.120 know 30

00:25:10.480 years old

00:25:11.040 a baby

00:25:11.360 lawyer but

00:25:11.840 I'd been

00:25:12.240 on the

00:25:12.500 Bush campaign

00:25:13.220 and Ashcroft

00:25:13.820 gets nominated

00:25:14.400 to be AG

00:25:14.840 so I remember

00:25:15.780 we're prepping

00:25:16.620 him and

00:25:17.640 and just like

00:25:18.440 with Cash

00:25:18.960 Patel we

00:25:19.580 were asking

00:25:20.220 horrible

00:25:20.900 questions we

00:25:21.540 were asking

00:25:22.060 I mean we

00:25:23.460 were just

00:25:23.960 just and

00:25:25.240 in the prep

00:25:26.120 session Ashcroft

00:25:27.060 would get pissed

00:25:27.800 and he'd yell

00:25:28.560 at us

00:25:29.080 and we'd

00:25:31.320 say we'd

00:25:31.800 say senator

00:25:32.220 you're exactly

00:25:32.820 right that

00:25:33.340 that question

00:25:34.120 was terrible

00:25:34.880 it was it

00:25:35.560 was unfair

00:25:36.400 it was

00:25:36.800 dishonest

00:25:37.600 it was 0.88

00:25:37.920 abusive

00:25:38.500 senator can

00:25:40.640 we remind

00:25:41.140 you you

00:25:41.420 have the

00:25:41.700 votes right

00:25:42.160 now like

00:25:43.080 they want

00:25:43.900 you to

00:25:44.320 get pissed

00:25:45.080 and so I

00:25:46.160 was glad he

00:25:46.640 yelled at me

00:25:47.100 and he yelled

00:25:47.460 at the other

00:25:47.780 people in the

00:25:48.240 mood because

00:25:48.680 that it

00:25:49.240 got it off

00:25:49.860 his chest

00:25:50.440 and I

00:25:51.520 still remember

00:25:52.160 you go back

00:25:52.660 and watch

00:25:53.020 Ashcroft's

00:25:54.220 confirmation

00:25:54.980 hearing and

00:25:56.500 there was one

00:25:57.040 exchange and

00:25:57.640 I'm paraphrasing

00:25:58.340 it was

00:25:58.600 24 years

00:25:59.540 ago but

00:26:00.060 but he

00:26:01.240 had given

00:26:01.700 a speech

00:26:02.280 about the

00:26:02.800 second amendment

00:26:03.420 and he had

00:26:04.680 talked about

00:26:05.240 the second

00:26:05.800 amendment

00:26:06.200 that the

00:26:06.580 framers had

00:26:07.120 intended as

00:26:07.800 a second

00:26:08.280 amendment

00:26:08.700 as a check

00:26:10.080 on tyranny

00:26:11.060 from from

00:26:11.660 the government

00:26:12.180 and Ted Kennedy

00:26:13.960 who was

00:26:14.280 questioning him

00:26:14.940 goes tyranny

00:26:16.100 from our

00:26:17.560 government

00:26:18.100 the American

00:26:19.140 government

00:26:19.720 you know

00:26:20.260 what that

00:26:20.640 is

00:26:20.860 treason

00:26:21.640 man I

00:26:22.160 say you're 1.00

00:26:22.660 a traitor 0.99

00:26:23.200 and he 0.99

00:26:24.100 like screams

00:26:24.960 at the top

00:26:25.500 of his lungs

00:26:26.080 calling Ashcroft

00:26:27.800 a traitor

00:26:28.200 and at the

00:26:28.700 actual hearing

00:26:29.400 Ashcroft

00:26:30.040 I don't think

00:26:30.900 his heartbeat

00:26:31.380 exceeded 65

00:26:32.700 beats a minute

00:26:33.400 and he very

00:26:33.860 calmly said

00:26:34.500 senator if I'm

00:26:35.180 confirmed as

00:26:35.720 attorney general

00:26:36.400 I will follow

00:26:37.580 the law

00:26:38.080 and I will

00:26:38.660 enforce the

00:26:39.180 law

00:26:39.420 and it got

00:26:40.380 confirmed

00:26:40.740 so cash

00:26:42.620 Patel

00:26:43.000 likewise

00:26:43.540 he got

00:26:44.700 some of his

00:26:45.160 yelling out

00:26:45.740 at the

00:26:45.980 mooters

00:26:46.340 actually

00:26:46.660 not much

00:26:47.460 he did a

00:26:47.780 good job

00:26:48.200 of not

00:26:48.480 losing his

00:26:48.920 cool

00:26:49.260 in the

00:26:50.100 moot

00:26:50.400 and then

00:26:50.980 in the

00:26:51.220 hearing

00:26:51.520 I think

00:26:51.880 he did

00:26:52.120 an excellent

00:26:52.520 job

00:26:52.980 when it

00:26:53.860 came to

00:26:54.340 my turn

00:26:55.000 they had

00:26:56.440 been beating

00:26:56.900 him up

00:26:57.220 a lot

00:26:57.580 on January

00:26:58.400 6th

00:26:59.100 and so

00:26:59.360 I wanted

00:26:59.720 to give

00:27:00.000 him a

00:27:00.240 chance

00:27:00.620 to get

00:27:01.440 out some

00:27:01.800 basic facts

00:27:02.580 so give

00:27:03.400 a listen

00:27:03.860 to my

00:27:04.360 cross

00:27:04.740 examination

00:27:05.220 of

00:27:06.260 Kash

00:27:06.600 Patel

00:27:07.120 this past

00:27:07.700 week

00:27:08.020 on his

00:27:09.280 confirmation

00:27:09.740 hearing

00:27:10.300 for director

00:27:11.160 of the

00:27:11.380 FBI

00:27:11.680 you will

00:27:13.540 be and

00:27:13.940 have been

00:27:14.320 accused

00:27:14.760 of just

00:27:15.200 about

00:27:15.400 everything

00:27:15.720 they can

00:27:16.240 but I

00:27:16.500 want to

00:27:16.840 focus on

00:27:17.360 what several

00:27:17.860 democrats

00:27:18.440 have done

00:27:19.000 recently

00:27:19.480 which is

00:27:21.400 trying to

00:27:22.000 blame you

00:27:22.580 for the

00:27:22.940 violence

00:27:23.360 that occurred

00:27:24.000 on January

00:27:25.240 6th

00:27:26.380 which even

00:27:27.120 in the

00:27:27.740 annals

00:27:28.340 of 0.99

00:27:28.920 ridiculous 0.98

00:27:30.000 attacks 1.00

00:27:30.740 this one

00:27:32.960 really takes

00:27:33.540 the cake

00:27:34.020 so let's

00:27:34.540 just focus

00:27:35.500 on some

00:27:36.100 facts

00:27:36.500 let me

00:27:37.760 ask you

00:27:37.960 a question

00:27:38.340 what role

00:27:40.140 did you

00:27:40.560 occupy

00:27:41.180 in the

00:27:42.600 days

00:27:43.200 immediately

00:27:44.160 before

00:27:44.560 January

00:27:44.960 6th

00:27:45.480 chief

00:27:45.740 of

00:27:45.880 staff

00:27:46.120 at the

00:27:46.360 department

00:27:46.620 of

00:27:46.780 defense

00:27:47.140 you

00:27:47.940 were

00:27:48.060 the

00:27:48.180 chief

00:27:48.420 of

00:27:48.600 staff

00:27:49.060 at the

00:27:49.660 department

00:27:50.000 of

00:27:50.180 defense

00:27:50.620 yes sir

00:27:51.340 so to

00:27:52.300 be clear

00:27:52.700 you were

00:27:53.020 not

00:27:53.260 rioting

00:27:53.960 at the

00:27:54.860 capitol

00:27:55.200 no sir

00:27:55.720 where were

00:27:57.460 you

00:27:57.680 physically

00:27:58.260 on

00:27:59.300 January

00:27:59.620 6th

00:28:00.300 in the

00:28:00.600 office

00:28:00.840 of the

00:28:01.100 secretary

00:28:01.420 of

00:28:01.580 defense

00:28:01.880 in the

00:28:02.100 pentagon

00:28:02.460 and

00:28:04.020 what

00:28:04.460 were

00:28:04.660 you

00:28:04.840 doing

00:28:05.420 on

00:28:06.180 that

00:28:06.340 day

00:28:06.600 on

00:28:07.480 that

00:28:07.680 day

00:28:07.900 specifically

00:28:08.500 responding

00:28:09.340 to

00:28:09.720 preparing

00:28:10.240 to

00:28:10.640 mobilize

00:28:11.160 and deploy

00:28:11.700 the

00:28:11.860 national

00:28:12.220 guard

00:28:12.600 once

00:28:13.240 we

00:28:13.400 got

00:28:13.560 the

00:28:13.740 lawful

00:28:14.040 request

00:28:14.460 from

00:28:14.640 the

00:28:14.780 local

00:28:15.040 governing

00:28:15.440 authority

00:28:15.920 which

00:28:16.160 was

00:28:16.300 the

00:28:16.460 mayor

00:28:16.680 of

00:28:16.860 dc

00:28:17.180 and

00:28:17.320 the

00:28:17.440 speaker

00:28:17.660 of

00:28:17.800 the

00:28:17.880 house

00:28:18.160 now how

00:28:19.300 many days

00:28:19.820 in advance

00:28:20.500 were you

00:28:21.160 working to

00:28:21.680 prepare the

00:28:22.200 department of

00:28:22.720 defense to

00:28:23.220 help secure

00:28:23.760 the capitol on

00:28:24.460 January 6th

00:28:25.300 days in advance

00:28:26.260 senator we

00:28:26.860 were in the

00:28:27.180 oval office on

00:28:27.960 an unrelated

00:28:28.480 national security

00:28:29.400 matter with

00:28:29.840 the president

00:28:30.240 of the united

00:28:30.580 states the

00:28:31.220 secretary of

00:28:31.780 defense the

00:28:32.360 chairman of

00:28:32.740 the joint

00:28:32.980 chiefs of

00:28:33.400 staff and

00:28:33.860 myself and

00:28:35.060 the president

00:28:35.560 authorized up to

00:28:36.520 20,000 plus

00:28:37.560 national guards

00:28:38.260 men and

00:28:38.600 women to 1.00

00:28:39.400 secure any

00:28:40.120 security measures

00:28:40.980 necessary related

00:28:41.640 to the

00:28:41.900 capitol so we

00:28:43.060 were moving to

00:28:44.220 the fullest extent

00:28:44.920 of the law

00:28:45.460 before the

00:28:46.540 requisite request

00:28:48.140 came from a

00:28:48.780 local governing

00:28:49.320 authority days

00:28:50.080 ahead of time

00:28:50.660 and while you

00:28:52.000 were chief of

00:28:52.740 staff at

00:28:53.260 dod how many

00:28:54.480 times did

00:28:55.200 dod approach

00:28:57.140 capitol police

00:28:58.000 and ask if

00:28:58.800 they needed

00:28:59.300 national guard

00:28:59.940 assistance i

00:29:01.260 believe those

00:29:01.720 letters are

00:29:02.240 well documented

00:29:02.940 numerous instances

00:29:04.720 and numerous

00:29:06.480 of those

00:29:06.900 instances they

00:29:07.920 were those

00:29:08.460 requests were

00:29:09.420 shut down

00:29:10.120 now am i

00:29:11.200 correct that the

00:29:11.820 capitol sergeant

00:29:12.580 at arms said

00:29:13.260 assistance was

00:29:13.920 unnecessary that's

00:29:15.680 correct senator

00:29:16.320 um who did the

00:29:18.760 sergeant at arms

00:29:19.420 report to the

00:29:20.260 speaker of the

00:29:20.800 house that would

00:29:21.920 have been nancy

00:29:22.480 pelosi at the

00:29:23.080 time is that

00:29:23.540 correct yes

00:29:25.060 senator uh

00:29:26.500 and and would

00:29:27.980 that also be

00:29:29.000 chuck schumer

00:29:30.160 then the senate

00:29:30.700 majority leader

00:29:31.340 the sergeant at

00:29:32.780 arms yes

00:29:33.220 senator reports

00:29:33.980 up there

00:29:34.700 did mayor

00:29:37.260 bowser the

00:29:39.060 democrat elected

00:29:40.200 mayor in dc

00:29:41.300 either request or

00:29:42.840 allow national

00:29:43.600 guard assistance

00:29:44.280 she put in

00:29:45.060 writing on the

00:29:46.360 days leading up

00:29:47.000 to january 6

00:29:47.800 a declination

00:29:48.740 for national

00:29:49.680 guard additional

00:29:50.280 support and that

00:29:51.580 letter is available

00:29:52.160 publicly to the

00:29:52.900 world so so

00:29:53.940 and and just to

00:29:54.980 to to speak

00:29:55.820 english for folks

00:29:56.640 at home a

00:29:57.200 declination meant

00:29:58.040 she said no

00:29:58.780 don't send

00:29:59.500 national guard is

00:30:00.240 that right yes

00:30:00.920 sir

00:30:01.120 let me ask you

00:30:04.160 a simple question

00:30:04.900 because from the

00:30:05.480 questioning from my

00:30:06.240 democrat colleagues

00:30:07.060 they might think

00:30:07.640 otherwise do you

00:30:09.300 condemn violence

00:30:10.220 against law

00:30:10.700 enforcement all

00:30:11.620 of it and by the

00:30:13.640 way is that true

00:30:14.600 whether the

00:30:15.060 violence is right 0.99

00:30:16.940 wing or left

00:30:17.640 wing or anywhere

00:30:18.340 else there is no

00:30:19.620 discriminating between

00:30:20.800 types of violence

00:30:21.700 against law

00:30:22.200 enforcement and do

00:30:24.640 you believe those

00:30:25.560 who assault and

00:30:26.360 commit violence

00:30:27.100 against law

00:30:28.060 enforcement should

00:30:28.900 be prosecuted and

00:30:30.220 and should be

00:30:31.080 sent to jail

00:30:31.860 especially those 0.99

00:30:33.000 that kill them 0.98

00:30:34.000 let me ask you 0.98

00:30:35.960 how many years

00:30:36.600 have you worked in

00:30:38.240 public service

00:30:38.820 about 16 senator

00:30:40.660 and how many years

00:30:42.180 have you worked in

00:30:42.820 particular in law

00:30:43.720 enforcement and

00:30:44.840 prosecution and

00:30:45.760 national security

00:30:46.500 over a decade

00:30:48.060 senator

00:30:48.540 you know i have to

00:30:50.900 say it is 0.81

00:30:52.080 ludicrous but 0.88

00:30:54.900 sadly predictable 0.96

00:30:55.820 that democrats are

00:30:58.140 endeavoring to

00:30:58.980 tarnish you

00:30:59.680 to paint

00:31:01.700 a false

00:31:03.920 caricature

00:31:05.000 based on

00:31:06.540 innuendo

00:31:07.100 and smoke

00:31:08.180 and so you're

00:31:08.900 working to protect

00:31:09.860 the capital on

00:31:10.660 january 6th and

00:31:11.680 yet they're trying to

00:31:12.600 blame you

00:31:13.220 for the violence

00:31:14.700 that occurred

00:31:15.340 let me ask you

00:31:18.760 to this just as a

00:31:19.760 straightforward matter

00:31:20.700 what is the job

00:31:24.280 of the fbi

00:31:25.240 and what will the

00:31:27.920 fbi's role be

00:31:29.480 if and when you

00:31:30.860 are confirmed as

00:31:31.700 its director

00:31:32.460 the simple motto

00:31:34.580 on the website of

00:31:35.680 the fbi's home page

00:31:36.660 is to protect

00:31:37.260 american citizens

00:31:38.140 and uphold the

00:31:38.940 constitution

00:31:39.580 if i am confirmed

00:31:40.980 as the next director

00:31:41.840 of the fbi

00:31:42.460 that's what we're

00:31:43.500 going to do

00:31:43.980 and redirect

00:31:44.520 resources to making

00:31:45.580 sure that occurs

00:31:46.420 every single day

00:31:47.520 thank you for your

00:31:49.200 willingness to do so

00:31:50.360 and and this committee

00:31:51.400 will will hold you

00:31:52.340 to account

00:31:52.960 on restoring

00:31:53.960 integrity at the fbi

00:31:55.400 and i thank you also

00:31:56.300 for your commitment

00:31:57.020 to transparency

00:31:57.780 i think that is

00:31:59.280 incredibly important

00:32:00.340 to bringing back

00:32:01.180 integrity

00:32:01.740 and i'm grateful for

00:32:02.940 it wouldn't it be nice

00:32:03.940 if the media would

00:32:04.660 fact check the

00:32:05.740 the democrats

00:32:06.420 on the committee

00:32:07.220 that were trashing him

00:32:08.400 trying to connect him

00:32:09.280 to january 6th

00:32:10.100 like he was an

00:32:10.680 insurrectionist

00:32:11.600 in their words

00:32:12.340 and just tell the story

00:32:14.000 of what he was actually

00:32:14.680 doing i'm so thankful

00:32:15.760 that you asked those

00:32:16.560 questions

00:32:17.060 yeah don't hold your

00:32:18.600 breath on that

00:32:19.140 the media has their

00:32:20.320 story to tell

00:32:21.060 and they're not going

00:32:21.560 to get let facts

00:32:22.240 get in the way

00:32:22.780 so last question on

00:32:24.380 this this is a really

00:32:25.500 important position

00:32:26.780 being in charge

00:32:27.600 of the fbi

00:32:28.180 when are you guys

00:32:29.720 going to actually

00:32:30.320 get to vote on this

00:32:31.380 so we will vote

00:32:32.700 on cash patel

00:32:33.700 in a week

00:32:34.280 so this week

00:32:34.900 there'll be a markup

00:32:36.440 but the way the

00:32:37.040 senate judiciary

00:32:37.600 committee works

00:32:39.160 is the minority

00:32:39.900 has a right

00:32:40.760 on on any vote

00:32:42.080 to hold it over

00:32:42.920 for a week

00:32:43.560 and delay it

00:32:44.100 for a week

00:32:44.600 so they will do

00:32:45.680 that this week

00:32:46.380 and so they'll

00:32:46.920 delay that

00:32:47.660 now pam bondi

00:32:49.540 will be confirmed

00:32:50.260 on the floor

00:32:50.740 of the senate

00:32:51.160 this week

00:32:51.700 so by the end

00:32:52.300 of this week

00:32:52.880 she'll be

00:32:53.280 attorney general

00:32:54.100 next week

00:32:55.740 we'll vote

00:32:56.540 on cash patel

00:32:57.360 and judiciary

00:32:57.840 committee

00:32:58.340 and then i'll

00:32:58.760 go to the senate

00:32:59.260 floor after that

00:33:00.060 all right lastly

00:33:01.360 you during the

00:33:02.720 panama hearing

00:33:03.640 brought up

00:33:04.860 something that

00:33:05.780 was interesting

00:33:07.220 and i want to

00:33:07.760 ask you about

00:33:08.440 it we mentioned

00:33:09.020 it earlier

00:33:09.660 and that was

00:33:11.060 talking about

00:33:12.140 the flights

00:33:12.860 going back

00:33:13.660 into israel

00:33:14.760 give everybody

00:33:15.900 an update on

00:33:16.460 this one because

00:33:17.100 it really is

00:33:17.640 important

00:33:18.060 well the reason

00:33:19.060 i brought it

00:33:19.580 up is one of

00:33:20.180 the witnesses

00:33:20.560 we had at

00:33:21.120 that hearing

00:33:21.580 was an

00:33:22.360 international

00:33:22.780 law professor

00:33:23.540 who's an

00:33:23.840 expert on

00:33:24.340 treaties and

00:33:24.960 testified about

00:33:25.860 the panama

00:33:26.340 canal treaty

00:33:27.400 who was in

00:33:29.380 israel

00:33:29.820 and and we

00:33:30.740 had asked him

00:33:31.260 to come back

00:33:31.740 to dc to

00:33:32.340 testify in

00:33:33.020 person but

00:33:34.180 but there are

00:33:34.820 no direct

00:33:35.600 flights right

00:33:36.220 now from the

00:33:36.780 united states

00:33:37.480 to and from

00:33:38.020 israel and so

00:33:38.740 it would have

00:33:39.120 taken him i

00:33:39.660 think over

00:33:40.560 30 hours to

00:33:41.620 get here it

00:33:42.120 was very

00:33:42.520 expensive so

00:33:43.560 we ended up

00:33:43.980 having him

00:33:44.400 testify via

00:33:46.000 video conference

00:33:46.920 which is a

00:33:47.460 general matter i

00:33:48.300 don't want to

00:33:48.660 have happen in

00:33:49.200 the commerce

00:33:49.600 committee but i

00:33:50.240 made an

00:33:50.600 exception because

00:33:51.840 it was so

00:33:52.560 time-consuming

00:33:53.280 and expensive

00:33:53.920 for him to

00:33:54.400 get back to

00:33:54.860 the united

00:33:55.160 states and

00:33:56.120 his testimony

00:33:56.680 was particularly

00:33:57.320 valuable

00:33:57.820 all three

00:33:59.900 major u.s.

00:34:00.860 carriers suspended

00:34:02.080 air flights to

00:34:04.420 and from

00:34:05.080 israel following

00:34:07.140 october 7th and

00:34:08.180 they had been

00:34:08.660 suspended the

00:34:09.380 entire time

00:34:10.180 now delta

00:34:11.540 has announced

00:34:13.180 publicly it

00:34:14.020 tends to

00:34:14.540 intends to

00:34:15.240 resume service

00:34:16.200 to and from

00:34:16.780 israel that's a

00:34:17.440 very good step

00:34:18.300 to date neither

00:34:20.020 united nor

00:34:20.900 american has

00:34:21.660 done so

00:34:22.360 i predicted in

00:34:23.600 fact i predicted

00:34:24.220 the week of

00:34:24.720 inauguration

00:34:25.480 all three u.s.

00:34:27.440 carriers will

00:34:28.820 resume air

00:34:30.720 air flights will

00:34:31.720 announce that

00:34:32.300 they're resuming

00:34:32.820 air flights to

00:34:33.580 and from israel

00:34:34.360 within 30 days i

00:34:36.020 think it is time

00:34:36.800 for that to

00:34:37.360 happen you

00:34:38.220 used to have

00:34:38.800 delta united

00:34:39.520 american all

00:34:40.380 flying to and

00:34:41.140 from tel aviv i

00:34:42.520 think within 30

00:34:43.240 days all three

00:34:44.120 were and will

00:34:44.720 announce they're

00:34:45.360 resuming air

00:34:46.640 flights to and

00:34:47.320 from tel aviv by

00:34:48.040 the way to be

00:34:48.460 clear european

00:34:50.220 airlines are

00:34:51.240 flying into

00:34:51.900 israel regional

00:34:53.320 airlines are

00:34:54.080 flying into

00:34:54.720 israel you

00:34:55.200 can get

00:34:55.600 there but

00:34:55.960 you got to

00:34:56.320 fly go to

00:34:57.320 go to somewhere

00:34:57.980 in europe and

00:34:58.680 then cut down

00:34:59.340 you got to

00:34:59.720 connect through

00:35:00.180 somewhere else

00:35:00.980 if the other

00:35:02.540 airlines of the

00:35:03.260 world can fly to

00:35:04.180 and from israel

00:35:04.940 there's no reason

00:35:06.180 for the united

00:35:06.740 states airlines

00:35:07.500 not to do so

00:35:08.400 and i think

00:35:08.760 within 30 days

00:35:09.720 you'll see all

00:35:10.620 three of them

00:35:11.180 delta's already

00:35:11.820 done it but i

00:35:12.420 think you'll see

00:35:13.000 united american

00:35:13.940 follow suit very

00:35:15.580 soon yeah well

00:35:16.700 done for them to

00:35:17.340 be the first ones

00:35:18.100 to do it it's

00:35:19.000 always good news

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