Verdict with Ted Cruz - February 03, 2025


Tariffs!-Mexico, Canada & China-What's It Mean for You？ plus Kash Patel Shines at Hearing


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36 minutes

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170.17877

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6,143

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237

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

12


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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
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00:00:05.100 Well, good Monday morning.
00:00:06.560 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:09.720 And Senator, we've got a lot of breaking news,
00:00:11.700 including tariffs and retaliatory tariffs on top of that.
00:00:15.900 Well, this is a very big week.
00:00:17.720 On Tuesday of this week,
00:00:19.380 President Trump is going to impose 25% tariffs
00:00:22.780 on all imports from Mexico,
00:00:24.900 25% tariffs on all imports from Canada,
00:00:28.420 except for energy,
00:00:30.760 10% tariffs on all energy imports from Canada.
00:00:35.240 And in addition to that,
00:00:36.840 an additional 10% tariffs on all imports from Canada.
00:00:41.840 These are a big deal.
00:00:43.140 They have already started retaliatory tariffs
00:00:46.420 from Canada and Mexico.
00:00:48.240 We're going to talk about what that means.
00:00:49.700 We're going to talk about how that's going to impact
00:00:51.860 American farmers, American ranchers,
00:00:53.640 American manufacturers, American consumers.
00:00:55.700 We're going to talk about what's likely to play out
00:00:58.360 in the days and weeks and months ahead.
00:01:00.520 We're also going to talk about the big hearing
00:01:03.040 we had last week in the Senate Judiciary Committee
00:01:05.640 for Kash Patel.
00:01:06.640 Kash Patel is nominated to be the director of the FBI.
00:01:10.740 He is one of the very top targets
00:01:12.500 the Democrats are going after.
00:01:13.780 They're trying to take Kash Patel down.
00:01:15.860 I don't think they're going to succeed.
00:01:17.140 I think Kash did a very good job,
00:01:18.860 but we're going to break that down for you as well.
00:01:21.040 And finally, we're going to talk about the status
00:01:23.400 of U.S. airlines flying directly to Israel.
00:01:27.020 They have halted all flights ever since October 7th.
00:01:29.800 We're going to talk about my predictions
00:01:31.280 for what's going to happen there as well.
00:01:33.200 Yeah, that's going to be very big news
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00:03:02.180 So Senator, let's talk about how we even got to the prospect
00:03:07.040 and the premise for tariffs.
00:03:11.240 Let's start so people understand that first
00:03:13.420 because I think there's a lot of people
00:03:14.420 that don't understand that basic aspect
00:03:16.560 because it is complicated.
00:03:18.340 Well, listen, I think these tariffs are very different.
00:03:20.800 I think the Mexico and Canada tariffs
00:03:22.800 stand on a very different footing
00:03:24.180 from the China tariff.
00:03:25.980 And President Trump uses tariffs
00:03:28.520 for several different purposes.
00:03:30.600 One, President Trump is quite fond
00:03:33.080 of using tariffs as leverage
00:03:35.460 to force other countries to do things
00:03:38.240 that he wants to do,
00:03:39.300 unrelated to economics and trade.
00:03:41.500 For example, and we talked about this
00:03:43.600 on last week's podcast,
00:03:45.380 when the nation of Colombia refused to allow
00:03:48.120 U.S. planes to drop off illegal immigrants
00:03:52.000 who had come from Colombia,
00:03:53.620 President Trump responded immediately
00:03:55.280 by threatening 25% tariffs
00:03:57.160 and then threatening to ratchet them up
00:03:58.720 in a week to 50%.
00:04:00.180 That caused Colombia to cave immediately
00:04:03.320 within about eight hours.
00:04:04.380 That's an example of that.
00:04:05.860 I think the Mexico and Canada tariffs
00:04:07.980 fall into that category.
00:04:09.560 The president has explicitly tied those tariffs
00:04:13.560 to border security,
00:04:15.300 to stopping the flow of illegal immigration
00:04:17.380 coming into this country
00:04:18.780 and also to stopping the flow of fentanyl
00:04:20.540 coming into this country.
00:04:22.740 We're going to talk about that a little bit more,
00:04:24.720 but I want to draw a distinction between that
00:04:27.180 and the tariffs against China,
00:04:29.840 separate and apart from using tariffs
00:04:31.980 as leverage on other countries.
00:04:34.240 President Trump just likes tariffs.
00:04:36.500 When he sat down with all the Senate Republicans
00:04:39.040 a couple of weeks ago,
00:04:40.480 he went on for probably 20 minutes about it.
00:04:42.700 He said,
00:04:42.980 tariff is the most beautiful word
00:04:44.820 in the English language.
00:04:45.980 And he loves tariffs.
00:04:48.140 And by the way,
00:04:49.040 that has been the single most consistent policy view
00:04:53.040 of Donald Trump.
00:04:54.180 Going back to the 1980s,
00:04:55.540 going back to when Ronald Reagan was president,
00:04:58.280 Donald Trump was advocating for tariffs back then.
00:05:01.780 You'll recall in his inaugural address,
00:05:04.140 he said,
00:05:04.560 we're going to replace
00:05:05.380 the Department of Internal Revenue
00:05:07.700 with we're going to create
00:05:08.600 the Department of External Revenue.
00:05:11.080 And so in my view,
00:05:13.420 the China tariffs of 10%,
00:05:15.460 he is viewing as a long-term revenue stream.
00:05:19.140 He doesn't intend to lift those tariffs.
00:05:20.720 He intends for those to be in place.
00:05:22.760 He intends for those to decrease
00:05:25.200 the production of what's being made in China.
00:05:28.380 He wants that to move more production
00:05:30.760 to the United States,
00:05:32.460 but understand that tariffs predictably,
00:05:35.700 that they are a tax that consumers pay.
00:05:38.580 They will drive up the prices of imports
00:05:41.640 coming from China.
00:05:43.240 Now they're designed to drive up the prices
00:05:44.900 of imports coming from China
00:05:46.280 because they are designed to make
00:05:49.300 products produced in America more competitive.
00:05:52.560 So the China tariff,
00:05:54.120 I don't expect the president to lift it
00:05:56.600 in four years.
00:05:58.020 I expect that to be.
00:05:59.220 And in fact,
00:05:59.960 he may well impose more tariffs on China.
00:06:03.100 Look,
00:06:03.960 I actually think that makes sense
00:06:05.720 in a broader sense.
00:06:06.640 And I can tell you
00:06:07.380 the advice that I've given President Trump,
00:06:09.960 the advice that I've given
00:06:10.920 his incoming cabinet
00:06:12.060 when it comes to tariffs
00:06:13.340 is focus in the long term
00:06:15.720 on two things.
00:06:16.660 Number one,
00:06:17.300 China and China has seized
00:06:19.760 far too much of our critical infrastructure.
00:06:22.320 We are too dependent on China
00:06:23.780 and I want to link our economy from China.
00:06:26.240 And so these tariffs will accelerate that process.
00:06:29.880 But number two,
00:06:31.680 what I have urged the president
00:06:33.060 is reciprocity.
00:06:34.500 There are countries we trade with
00:06:37.420 who have high tariffs on our goods
00:06:39.620 and we have lower non-existent tariffs
00:06:42.120 on their goods.
00:06:43.080 And I think that
00:06:44.160 that is us being taken advantage of.
00:06:46.940 And so my hope is
00:06:48.300 that he will use targeted tariffs
00:06:51.620 to press reciprocity.
00:06:53.700 Now,
00:06:54.840 I'm going to make a prediction, Ben.
00:06:56.440 My prediction is
00:06:57.520 that the Trump administration
00:06:58.620 will lift the tariffs,
00:07:00.360 will end the 25% tariffs
00:07:02.900 on Mexico and Canada.
00:07:05.120 I'm going to throw out a date
00:07:06.360 36 days from now.
00:07:09.020 I don't know.
00:07:09.340 This is clearly short term
00:07:10.920 in comparison to China,
00:07:12.620 is your point?
00:07:13.340 I do not think
00:07:14.600 we will see these tariffs
00:07:15.720 in place for four years.
00:07:17.540 I don't even think
00:07:18.140 we'll see them in place
00:07:19.060 for one year.
00:07:19.820 And we can talk about
00:07:20.840 the magnitude of them
00:07:21.960 and why.
00:07:23.560 I can tell you,
00:07:24.080 I met a couple of weeks ago.
00:07:25.820 The Canadian energy minister
00:07:27.220 came to meet with me
00:07:28.160 and understand,
00:07:29.720 we import a ton of oil
00:07:32.140 from Canada.
00:07:32.920 You remember the first Trump term?
00:07:34.700 Yeah.
00:07:35.040 Remember the big fight
00:07:36.080 over the Keystone Pipeline?
00:07:37.580 Oh, absolutely.
00:07:38.740 And we were all in favor of it.
00:07:40.040 Republicans were in favor of it.
00:07:41.340 Drill, baby, drill.
00:07:42.240 Keystone Pipeline?
00:07:43.480 Yeah.
00:07:44.200 That pipeline was to import oil
00:07:46.140 from Canada.
00:07:46.740 The Keystone Pipeline
00:07:48.360 flowed from
00:07:49.980 or was going to flow
00:07:50.920 from Canada
00:07:51.580 down to the United States.
00:07:53.060 They have massive oil reserves
00:07:55.140 in Alberta.
00:07:55.960 The tar sands there.
00:07:57.500 And the Keystone Pipeline
00:07:58.580 was to carry that oil
00:07:59.520 down to the United States.
00:08:00.740 Now,
00:08:01.080 when the Canadian energy minister
00:08:03.320 came to my office
00:08:04.200 two weeks ago,
00:08:05.020 he was pressing
00:08:05.880 their internal studies
00:08:07.860 that showed
00:08:09.540 that a 25%
00:08:10.760 on Canadian oil and gas
00:08:12.420 would drive up
00:08:13.980 the cost of gasoline
00:08:15.220 in the United States
00:08:16.300 in the Midwest
00:08:16.920 by 80 to 85 cents a gallon.
00:08:19.200 Now,
00:08:19.580 that's a pretty
00:08:20.140 significant consequence,
00:08:21.680 which is why
00:08:22.880 the Trump White House
00:08:24.040 did not impose
00:08:25.300 a 25% tax
00:08:26.800 on Canadian oil and gas,
00:08:28.780 but only 10%.
00:08:29.720 And I know
00:08:31.420 the Trump White House.
00:08:32.480 Canada shared with them
00:08:33.740 the very same studies
00:08:35.360 they had.
00:08:35.860 I don't know how true
00:08:36.560 or accurate they were,
00:08:37.600 but they claimed
00:08:39.720 that was what
00:08:40.300 their empirical economists
00:08:41.360 were predicting.
00:08:42.340 And listen,
00:08:42.920 it's not crazy
00:08:43.920 because there are a number
00:08:45.420 of refineries,
00:08:46.320 particularly serving
00:08:46.980 the Midwest,
00:08:48.220 that are dependent
00:08:49.200 upon Canadian oil
00:08:50.880 in particular.
00:08:51.480 And one of the things
00:08:52.420 that you know,
00:08:53.300 but our listeners may not,
00:08:55.240 is different refineries
00:08:56.640 are built and designed
00:08:58.140 to refine different oil
00:09:00.260 that comes from
00:09:01.400 different parts of the world,
00:09:03.020 whether Canada
00:09:03.620 or the Permian Basin
00:09:04.660 or the Middle East.
00:09:05.740 And it is very costly
00:09:07.220 and very expensive
00:09:08.180 for a refinery
00:09:09.000 to shift
00:09:09.600 from one type of oil
00:09:11.200 to another.
00:09:11.700 So the refineries
00:09:12.880 that are right now
00:09:14.480 refining Canadian oil,
00:09:16.580 they don't have
00:09:17.060 a whole lot of options
00:09:17.920 to shift,
00:09:18.500 which is one of the reasons
00:09:19.600 why driving up the cost
00:09:21.760 of the Canadian oil
00:09:22.520 significantly,
00:09:24.040 I think,
00:09:25.140 predictably would have
00:09:26.320 real effects
00:09:27.020 in the gasoline market.
00:09:28.300 You'll see some effects
00:09:29.380 on gasoline,
00:09:30.820 but at 10% instead of 25%,
00:09:32.700 I think the effects
00:09:34.240 will not be as marked.
00:09:35.560 So you look at that
00:09:36.680 and you say,
00:09:37.220 okay,
00:09:37.480 if they know
00:09:38.380 this is going to be
00:09:39.200 a short-term thing,
00:09:40.800 can't they just wait it out?
00:09:42.440 And this goes back
00:09:43.580 to the game
00:09:44.100 because they're also
00:09:44.920 retaliating
00:09:45.780 with their own tariffs.
00:09:47.560 Well,
00:09:48.100 they are,
00:09:49.020 but listen,
00:09:49.940 this is a game
00:09:50.880 of inflicting pain.
00:09:52.900 And these tariffs,
00:09:54.120 I believe,
00:09:54.720 will inflict some pain
00:09:57.020 on the United States.
00:09:58.080 They will drive up
00:09:58.780 costs for consumers.
00:10:00.380 But you can predict
00:10:01.680 they will inflict
00:10:02.560 more pain
00:10:03.800 on Mexico
00:10:05.200 and more pain
00:10:06.560 on Canada
00:10:07.340 because their economies
00:10:08.960 are much more dependent
00:10:10.600 on exporting
00:10:11.740 to the United States
00:10:12.740 than our economies
00:10:13.620 are dependent
00:10:15.060 on importing from them.
00:10:16.700 And so the levels
00:10:18.640 of pain
00:10:19.380 are disproportionate.
00:10:21.240 Now,
00:10:21.560 I'm going to share
00:10:22.460 with you some analysis
00:10:23.440 from an economist
00:10:24.320 who I know and respect.
00:10:26.040 It's one of the best economists
00:10:27.340 who's analyzing
00:10:28.820 what's going on.
00:10:29.620 And here was his analysis.
00:10:31.480 His analysis was
00:10:32.760 that the effective
00:10:33.600 tariff rate,
00:10:36.020 if Mexico and Canada
00:10:37.920 and these tariffs
00:10:38.540 remain in effect
00:10:39.460 for a year,
00:10:40.860 that it would raise
00:10:42.700 approximately
00:10:43.520 $150 billion
00:10:45.500 of new tariff revenue
00:10:48.280 on an annual basis
00:10:50.040 and is the fiscal equivalent
00:10:52.260 of a 10 to 11 percent
00:10:54.100 increase
00:10:54.640 in the corporate tax rate.
00:10:56.260 So that's not small.
00:10:58.600 And the scale
00:11:00.200 of these tariffs,
00:11:01.140 this economist
00:11:01.620 is continuing,
00:11:02.660 is significantly larger
00:11:04.440 than Trump's tariff increase
00:11:05.920 on China in 2018
00:11:07.080 and 2019.
00:11:08.620 Those tariffs
00:11:09.460 in 2018 and 2019
00:11:10.940 were about $30 billion
00:11:12.560 a year in revenue.
00:11:14.500 These tariffs,
00:11:15.520 if they stay in effect
00:11:16.360 for the entire year,
00:11:17.460 are projected to be
00:11:18.480 four to five times larger
00:11:20.980 than the 2018 to 2019 tariffs
00:11:24.060 when fully implemented.
00:11:25.580 Now,
00:11:26.340 here's another aspect of this,
00:11:27.760 and this is the same economist
00:11:28.900 who's very good,
00:11:30.300 which is
00:11:30.980 expectations
00:11:32.540 for tariff increases
00:11:34.400 happening in the Trump
00:11:35.400 administrations
00:11:36.320 were relatively low.
00:11:38.520 Betting markets
00:11:39.140 had the odds
00:11:39.920 of 35 percent
00:11:41.600 for an early tariff increase.
00:11:43.720 And Mexico
00:11:44.520 was mostly priced in,
00:11:46.340 but Canada was not.
00:11:47.740 So the financial markets
00:11:48.720 were pricing in
00:11:49.560 some tariff increases.
00:11:52.460 Treasury Secretary
00:11:53.780 Scott Bessent
00:11:54.620 observed recently
00:11:56.780 that for every 10 percent
00:11:57.960 increase in tariffs,
00:11:59.560 a 4 percent
00:12:00.860 currency depreciation.
00:12:02.540 So the Mexican peso
00:12:04.480 right now
00:12:05.160 has a 9.4 percent
00:12:06.660 depreciation
00:12:07.500 relative to the dollar
00:12:08.600 since August 1st,
00:12:10.100 which suggests
00:12:10.860 that a lot of the tariffs
00:12:13.660 were already priced in.
00:12:15.700 Canada's is about
00:12:16.460 half of that.
00:12:17.400 So Canada,
00:12:18.880 you could expect
00:12:19.700 to see more depreciation
00:12:21.060 of the Canadian dollar.
00:12:23.240 And, you know,
00:12:25.200 the point of that,
00:12:26.960 that's one of the reasons
00:12:28.020 I don't think
00:12:29.280 these will remain
00:12:30.940 in effect for long.
00:12:31.880 As I said,
00:12:32.340 my prediction is 36 days.
00:12:33.680 And here's what I'm predicting
00:12:34.500 will happen in 36 days.
00:12:36.160 In 36 days or so,
00:12:38.700 that's a number
00:12:39.480 picked out of the hat,
00:12:40.320 but that gives you
00:12:40.920 a sense of how long
00:12:41.880 I think it will be.
00:12:43.180 The president will announce,
00:12:44.940 with a lot of fanfare,
00:12:47.060 major concessions
00:12:48.620 from Mexico and Canada,
00:12:49.800 that they are going
00:12:50.620 to invest in a massive way
00:12:52.580 in securing the border.
00:12:54.320 They're going to put,
00:12:54.920 Mexico's going to put
00:12:55.860 soldiers on their
00:12:57.340 southern border.
00:12:58.040 They're going to
00:12:58.380 reinvigorate
00:12:59.500 the Remain in Mexico policy.
00:13:01.560 They are going to lean in
00:13:02.640 and Canada's going to as well.
00:13:04.240 I can tell you,
00:13:04.980 when I met with
00:13:05.620 the Canadian energy minister,
00:13:07.460 my advice to him,
00:13:09.140 I said,
00:13:09.580 listen,
00:13:10.680 Trump is not bluffing.
00:13:12.380 You are making a mistake
00:13:13.800 if you think
00:13:14.520 Trump is bluffing.
00:13:15.420 And he said,
00:13:15.740 well, look,
00:13:16.160 we're already promising
00:13:17.200 all sorts of steps
00:13:18.180 to help secure the border.
00:13:19.920 I said, great,
00:13:20.560 whatever you're doing,
00:13:21.680 make it bigger,
00:13:22.600 make it bolder,
00:13:23.880 do as much as you can,
00:13:25.740 because this is not a bluff.
00:13:27.760 And I think the end
00:13:29.100 of these tariffs,
00:13:30.020 I think these tariffs
00:13:30.700 will be lifted,
00:13:31.760 but they will be lifted
00:13:32.800 only after Mexico
00:13:35.300 and Canada make
00:13:36.500 massive commitments
00:13:38.220 to help secure the border.
00:13:39.460 And I got to admit,
00:13:40.280 if that's the case,
00:13:42.020 listen,
00:13:42.780 Texas will feel
00:13:43.820 some real pain,
00:13:44.720 in particular from
00:13:45.820 the tariffs on Mexico.
00:13:48.240 Understand that Texas
00:13:49.320 and Mexico
00:13:50.120 engage in hundreds
00:13:52.120 of billions of dollars
00:13:53.220 of trade back and forth.
00:13:55.040 Cars,
00:13:56.180 many, many cars
00:13:57.160 and trucks
00:13:57.600 sold in the United States,
00:13:59.160 the cars on the supply chain
00:14:00.860 go back and forth
00:14:01.860 from Texas to Mexico
00:14:02.840 to Texas to Mexico,
00:14:04.280 sometimes four or five times
00:14:05.780 in the construction of a car.
00:14:07.620 If these tariffs
00:14:08.640 remain in place
00:14:09.380 for a long time,
00:14:10.460 you can expect
00:14:11.420 significant upward pressure
00:14:12.920 on the price of a car.
00:14:14.440 That's not good,
00:14:15.420 and it's not good
00:14:16.040 for Texas farmers
00:14:16.900 and ranchers
00:14:17.500 in the long term.
00:14:18.720 If this ends up
00:14:20.280 being a relatively
00:14:21.540 short-term tariff,
00:14:22.940 and the effect
00:14:24.680 is to produce
00:14:26.120 a massive change
00:14:27.520 of behavior
00:14:28.080 from Mexico especially,
00:14:30.040 but also Canada
00:14:30.840 to help secure
00:14:31.880 the borders
00:14:32.340 and to help stop
00:14:33.240 the fentanyl flow,
00:14:34.900 it will be a huge victory.
00:14:36.840 But that is dependent
00:14:38.040 upon Mexico and Canada
00:14:39.760 now stepping up
00:14:40.640 and acting,
00:14:41.140 and I think
00:14:41.520 the pain inflicted
00:14:43.080 will accelerate
00:14:43.880 that process.
00:14:44.760 Well, and then
00:14:45.260 this goes back
00:14:46.140 to the practicality
00:14:47.260 aspect of this,
00:14:48.160 and for people
00:14:48.780 that are listening,
00:14:49.760 what Donald Trump
00:14:51.140 is saying is
00:14:52.100 it is worth
00:14:53.660 this short-term
00:14:55.540 rise in some things
00:14:58.220 for us to get
00:15:00.120 a secure border
00:15:01.180 where we're not
00:15:01.800 letting in
00:15:02.520 millions of people
00:15:04.180 and rapists
00:15:05.940 and sex trafficking
00:15:07.240 and fentanyl
00:15:08.200 and everything else
00:15:09.420 that's been flooding
00:15:10.080 our border
00:15:10.540 because there's
00:15:11.060 a clear mandate there,
00:15:11.980 and this is the way
00:15:12.860 to use leverage
00:15:13.880 to get that done.
00:15:15.080 So that's true,
00:15:17.100 but let me give
00:15:17.660 another benefit of this,
00:15:19.020 and there was actually
00:15:19.860 a quote of a national
00:15:21.080 security analyst
00:15:22.200 in the New York Times
00:15:23.620 who says Trump,
00:15:28.000 quote,
00:15:29.080 will need to kill
00:15:30.000 a chicken
00:15:30.460 to scare the monkeys.
00:15:33.440 Now, what that quote
00:15:34.840 means is showing
00:15:36.260 the world
00:15:37.000 that he's serious
00:15:38.700 about tariffs
00:15:39.760 and his threats
00:15:40.360 are credible.
00:15:41.520 And listen,
00:15:42.220 I think it says a lot
00:15:44.800 that these tariffs
00:15:46.080 were announced
00:15:46.880 right at the same time
00:15:48.020 that Trump sent
00:15:48.640 his Secretary of State,
00:15:49.700 Marco Rubio,
00:15:50.640 down to Panama.
00:15:51.920 I think these tariffs
00:15:52.960 are speaking very clearly
00:15:54.800 to Panama.
00:15:55.340 I think these tariffs
00:15:56.160 are speaking very clearly
00:15:57.660 to Greenland
00:15:58.960 and to Denmark.
00:16:00.340 And these tariffs
00:16:01.080 are speaking to people
00:16:02.040 around the globe
00:16:03.100 that Trump is perfectly willing,
00:16:06.400 when he says
00:16:06.960 he'll impose tariffs,
00:16:08.380 he'll do that.
00:16:09.420 And that deterrent effect
00:16:12.020 I think is enormously valuable.
00:16:14.780 So it's not just
00:16:15.960 the change of behavior
00:16:17.500 from Mexico and Canada,
00:16:18.840 but it's the rest
00:16:20.260 of the world saying,
00:16:21.460 holy cow,
00:16:22.180 this guy will really do this.
00:16:24.280 And so we need
00:16:25.740 to act accordingly.
00:16:27.420 That's a big deal.
00:16:29.060 You mentioned Panama
00:16:30.140 and this broke
00:16:30.980 on Sunday afternoon.
00:16:32.860 And is this one
00:16:34.180 of those victories
00:16:35.440 that comes out
00:16:36.240 of these tariffs?
00:16:36.960 And that is the fact
00:16:38.040 that we heard
00:16:38.700 from the president of Panama
00:16:39.860 that they could have decided
00:16:41.360 not to renew
00:16:41.920 the 2017 Memorandum
00:16:43.640 of Understanding with China
00:16:44.900 regarding the Belt
00:16:46.180 and Road Initiative,
00:16:48.020 like immediately following
00:16:49.780 that meeting
00:16:50.380 with Marco Rubio.
00:16:52.240 Absolutely.
00:16:53.160 That is a significant victory.
00:16:56.260 And look,
00:16:57.740 we predicted,
00:16:58.960 we did a podcast
00:16:59.720 immediately right at the beginning
00:17:01.240 of the Trump administration
00:17:02.100 talking about Panama,
00:17:04.080 Greenland,
00:17:04.580 and Canada.
00:17:05.140 And at the time I said,
00:17:07.660 listen,
00:17:08.100 Canada is not going
00:17:09.660 to become the 51st state.
00:17:11.720 That,
00:17:12.080 what Trump's talking
00:17:13.060 about Canada
00:17:13.720 becoming a state,
00:17:14.780 I believe,
00:17:15.640 was just trolling
00:17:16.560 Justin Trudeau.
00:17:18.080 And it remains
00:17:19.400 the most epic troll
00:17:20.840 in history.
00:17:21.480 It literally caused Trudeau
00:17:23.240 to announce his resignation
00:17:24.280 within days.
00:17:25.420 And I think he was just
00:17:26.500 yanking his chain.
00:17:29.160 Greenland,
00:17:29.780 we've talked about before.
00:17:31.100 I think there are
00:17:31.880 very strong
00:17:33.040 national security
00:17:34.260 and economic reasons
00:17:35.280 why acquiring Greenland
00:17:36.860 makes sense.
00:17:37.980 I don't think
00:17:38.580 it should be done
00:17:39.220 through force.
00:17:39.940 I think it should be done
00:17:41.000 through negotiations.
00:17:42.160 I think we should offer
00:17:43.440 to purchase Greenland
00:17:44.540 from Denmark.
00:17:45.780 I think it's in Denmark's
00:17:46.760 interest to do so.
00:17:47.760 I had a long conversation
00:17:48.740 with the Danish ambassador
00:17:50.340 about exactly this.
00:17:51.500 And I said,
00:17:51.940 listen,
00:17:52.260 Denmark is a friend,
00:17:53.760 you're an ally,
00:17:54.860 but friends and allies
00:17:55.760 can talk honestly
00:17:56.560 with each other.
00:17:57.200 And I think it's
00:17:57.720 in your interest
00:17:58.360 and our interest
00:17:59.020 for America
00:17:59.820 to acquire Greenland.
00:18:00.740 I think it would also
00:18:02.000 take a referendum
00:18:03.160 of the Greenlanders.
00:18:04.660 But there are only
00:18:05.780 about 50,000 Greenlanders,
00:18:07.600 number one,
00:18:08.880 if Greenland became
00:18:09.920 an American territory.
00:18:11.820 U.S. citizenship
00:18:12.920 is an incredibly
00:18:14.360 valuable inducement
00:18:15.840 we have.
00:18:16.400 And for the Greenlanders,
00:18:17.340 the opportunity
00:18:17.940 to become American citizens
00:18:19.680 is a big deal.
00:18:21.680 Not only that,
00:18:22.520 look,
00:18:22.720 I could imagine
00:18:23.460 a scenario
00:18:24.040 where the Greenlanders
00:18:26.120 get a direct payment.
00:18:27.380 If you can imagine
00:18:28.120 Greenlanders getting
00:18:29.120 50 grand each
00:18:30.580 for 50,000 of them,
00:18:32.520 that'd be pretty
00:18:33.280 darn compelling
00:18:33.900 if you had a referendum
00:18:34.940 and the upside
00:18:35.680 of being acquired
00:18:36.600 is that you get
00:18:37.540 some direct form
00:18:39.320 of compensation.
00:18:41.060 And beyond that,
00:18:42.800 if Greenland
00:18:43.420 was an American territory,
00:18:45.460 I think the American
00:18:46.960 investment that would
00:18:47.980 flow into Greenland,
00:18:49.080 both for its
00:18:49.700 geopolitical location
00:18:51.100 on the Arctic
00:18:51.920 for national security
00:18:53.740 and defense,
00:18:54.400 but also because
00:18:55.120 of the vast
00:18:55.880 critical minerals
00:18:56.960 and resources,
00:18:58.140 I think that
00:18:58.720 investment would be
00:18:59.720 in the billions
00:19:00.640 of dollars.
00:19:01.540 And that,
00:19:02.260 if you're a Greenlander,
00:19:03.360 I could think of
00:19:03.860 an awful lot of reasons
00:19:04.780 why you say,
00:19:05.940 hey,
00:19:06.180 we're not getting much
00:19:07.220 from being part of Denmark,
00:19:08.280 but if we could be
00:19:09.860 part of America,
00:19:10.560 that's a big step forward.
00:19:13.560 So you look at that
00:19:15.300 and then you go back
00:19:16.400 to this broader question
00:19:18.060 and you see what
00:19:19.980 President Trump's
00:19:20.920 strategy is.
00:19:22.100 He's taking on
00:19:22.980 a lot of these issues.
00:19:24.040 I've heard people say,
00:19:24.840 well,
00:19:24.940 he's just going to be
00:19:25.660 stretches too thin
00:19:27.380 too quickly.
00:19:28.500 It doesn't seem
00:19:29.820 to be the case
00:19:30.680 at all in reality.
00:19:31.640 It seems that
00:19:32.380 a lot of this
00:19:32.900 was planned out
00:19:34.360 and the people
00:19:35.360 are in place
00:19:36.080 and the people
00:19:36.600 around to see
00:19:37.220 these things through.
00:19:38.680 Look,
00:19:39.620 border security
00:19:40.660 is the clearest
00:19:41.540 and most direct
00:19:42.360 mandate from this election.
00:19:44.220 And I think
00:19:44.660 almost any step
00:19:45.520 he takes to secure
00:19:46.400 the border
00:19:46.900 is good and beneficial.
00:19:48.920 It's why Columbia
00:19:49.780 made a lot of sense.
00:19:50.920 They're leaning
00:19:51.380 in hard on that
00:19:52.280 and that is very positive.
00:19:54.160 We need to keep
00:19:54.700 doing that.
00:19:55.200 Final question
00:19:56.400 on this one.
00:19:57.540 For people
00:19:58.080 that are saying,
00:19:58.880 well,
00:19:59.180 the prices
00:19:59.920 is something
00:20:00.520 that I care about
00:20:01.240 more than
00:20:01.860 the border security
00:20:03.160 and I don't want
00:20:04.640 to pay 10 cents
00:20:05.460 more a gallon
00:20:06.000 or whatever the number
00:20:06.860 is.
00:20:07.980 Is that something
00:20:09.220 you say
00:20:09.800 this is where
00:20:10.500 you have to decide
00:20:11.060 what's more important
00:20:11.780 in general?
00:20:12.880 Well,
00:20:13.440 look,
00:20:13.660 it also comes down
00:20:14.500 to whether this
00:20:15.040 is short term
00:20:15.620 or long term.
00:20:16.580 If this is,
00:20:18.080 if the Canada
00:20:18.620 and Mexico tariffs
00:20:19.680 are a matter
00:20:21.000 of weeks
00:20:21.600 or a month
00:20:22.120 or so
00:20:22.680 and it induces
00:20:24.540 a significant
00:20:25.180 change in behavior
00:20:26.160 that secures
00:20:26.760 the border
00:20:27.200 and results
00:20:27.840 in a lot
00:20:28.760 less murderers
00:20:29.420 and gangbangers
00:20:30.060 and rapists
00:20:30.560 coming into this
00:20:31.160 country
00:20:31.480 and a lot
00:20:31.800 less fentanyl
00:20:32.320 coming into
00:20:32.760 this country,
00:20:33.640 that's an
00:20:34.080 unambiguous win.
00:20:35.780 If the result
00:20:36.680 of this tariffs
00:20:37.380 is just ongoing
00:20:38.220 tariffs driving
00:20:38.980 up prices
00:20:39.440 for a long,
00:20:40.140 long time,
00:20:41.020 then that is
00:20:41.660 not nearly
00:20:42.240 as beneficial
00:20:42.920 and so the
00:20:43.480 outcome is
00:20:44.180 significant
00:20:44.720 and as I said
00:20:46.220 before,
00:20:46.700 I think the
00:20:47.460 Mexico and Canada
00:20:48.280 tariffs are very,
00:20:49.800 very different
00:20:50.440 from the China
00:20:51.360 tariffs.
00:20:51.720 I expect the
00:20:52.300 China tariffs
00:20:52.860 to stay in place
00:20:53.740 all four years
00:20:55.040 of the Trump
00:20:55.440 administration
00:20:56.100 and I think
00:20:57.400 they're serving
00:20:57.880 a very different
00:20:58.420 function.
00:20:59.440 Canadian women
00:21:00.280 are looking
00:21:00.740 for more,
00:21:01.620 more out of
00:21:01.980 themselves,
00:21:02.680 their businesses,
00:21:03.620 their elected
00:21:04.040 leaders,
00:21:04.580 and the world
00:21:05.140 around them.
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00:21:30.400 I want to move
00:21:31.400 on to another
00:21:32.220 big issue and
00:21:33.120 that is
00:21:33.620 confirmation
00:21:34.040 hearings.
00:21:35.080 Cash Patel's
00:21:36.100 was at the end
00:21:37.620 of last week
00:21:38.260 as well and
00:21:39.260 we are now
00:21:39.980 seeing a lot
00:21:41.180 of people that
00:21:41.860 are getting
00:21:42.340 their audios.
00:21:44.080 See you later.
00:21:45.200 Thanks for
00:21:45.620 serving.
00:21:46.260 You're out of a
00:21:46.960 job in the
00:21:48.180 deep state.
00:21:48.800 This is
00:21:49.300 another reason
00:21:49.980 why we need
00:21:50.440 to get
00:21:50.700 Cash Patel
00:21:51.580 in there
00:21:52.060 quickly.
00:21:52.900 Let's talk
00:21:53.520 about where
00:21:54.020 that is and
00:21:54.500 also you had
00:21:55.300 a very
00:21:55.720 interesting
00:21:56.260 back and
00:21:56.840 forth with
00:21:57.260 him over
00:21:58.000 some of
00:21:58.340 the things
00:21:59.200 that the
00:21:59.680 left is
00:22:00.100 trying to
00:22:00.520 attack him
00:22:01.240 on.
00:22:01.940 Well the
00:22:02.700 hearing the
00:22:04.100 Democrats went
00:22:05.340 after Cash
00:22:06.080 Patel
00:22:06.720 furiously as
00:22:08.160 I said on
00:22:09.340 Hannity last
00:22:10.240 week.
00:22:11.480 The hearing
00:22:12.880 reminded me of
00:22:14.080 Shakespeare's
00:22:15.280 Macbeth.
00:22:15.800 It was a
00:22:16.620 tale told
00:22:17.200 by an
00:22:17.520 idiot full
00:22:18.020 of sound
00:22:18.420 and fury
00:22:18.860 and signifying
00:22:19.560 nothing.
00:22:20.600 The Democrats
00:22:21.540 did not get
00:22:22.100 any traction.
00:22:22.900 They were
00:22:23.340 foaming at
00:22:23.940 the mouth.
00:22:24.420 They were
00:22:24.580 coming after
00:22:25.280 him ferociously
00:22:27.180 and yet I
00:22:28.720 don't think
00:22:29.040 they moved
00:22:29.440 a single
00:22:29.820 vote.
00:22:30.180 I think
00:22:30.600 Cash Patel
00:22:31.300 will get
00:22:31.840 confirmed.
00:22:33.060 Now every
00:22:34.380 Democrat on
00:22:34.940 the committee
00:22:35.240 is going
00:22:35.500 to vote
00:22:35.780 no and
00:22:36.240 my guess
00:22:36.740 is every
00:22:37.160 Democrat
00:22:37.540 in the
00:22:37.840 Senate
00:22:38.040 is going
00:22:38.400 to vote
00:22:38.700 no on
00:22:39.100 him.
00:22:39.760 But I
00:22:40.340 think we
00:22:40.800 will get
00:22:41.360 we might
00:22:42.320 get to
00:22:42.680 53 but
00:22:43.700 we will at
00:22:44.160 a minimum
00:22:44.520 get to
00:22:45.000 50 with
00:22:45.580 J.D.
00:22:45.940 Vance
00:22:46.180 breaking
00:22:46.500 the tie
00:22:47.060 and I
00:22:47.840 don't think
00:22:48.180 the hearing
00:22:48.660 moved a
00:22:49.300 single vote.
00:22:50.680 When my
00:22:51.300 questioning
00:22:51.800 occurred
00:22:52.360 the week
00:22:53.660 before I
00:22:54.320 had spent
00:22:54.860 a couple
00:22:55.660 of hours
00:22:56.240 helping
00:22:56.880 moot
00:22:57.460 Cash Patel
00:22:58.080 helping get
00:22:58.780 him ready
00:22:59.100 I actually
00:22:59.540 got to
00:22:59.940 play
00:23:00.280 Sheldon
00:23:01.380 Whitehouse
00:23:01.900 who's a
00:23:02.260 very liberal
00:23:02.740 senator
00:23:03.100 in the
00:23:03.900 moot
00:23:04.180 and I
00:23:04.740 gotta say
00:23:05.160 it was
00:23:05.460 fun
00:23:05.760 just raving
00:23:06.500 at him
00:23:06.860 screaming
00:23:07.300 at him
00:23:07.760 I tried
00:23:08.400 to insult
00:23:08.980 him
00:23:09.200 I was a
00:23:09.960 total jerk
00:23:10.540 in the
00:23:11.000 moot
00:23:11.220 which if
00:23:11.720 you're
00:23:11.880 doing
00:23:12.020 a moot
00:23:12.300 well
00:23:12.660 explain
00:23:13.680 for people
00:23:14.020 that don't
00:23:14.340 know how
00:23:14.620 this works
00:23:15.180 you get
00:23:16.040 people
00:23:16.520 and I've
00:23:16.920 gotten to
00:23:17.220 do this
00:23:17.620 a couple
00:23:17.980 of times
00:23:18.300 it's really
00:23:18.760 fun
00:23:19.160 you get
00:23:19.960 somebody
00:23:20.320 ready for
00:23:20.760 a confirmation
00:23:21.260 hearing
00:23:21.940 and many
00:23:23.760 people like
00:23:24.320 you just
00:23:24.700 described
00:23:25.120 you play
00:23:26.020 the other
00:23:26.480 side
00:23:26.860 you try
00:23:27.360 to get
00:23:27.780 them ready
00:23:28.220 for what
00:23:28.740 they're
00:23:28.960 going to
00:23:29.220 face
00:23:29.520 and the
00:23:30.460 setting
00:23:30.860 that you
00:23:31.180 do it
00:23:31.560 in
00:23:31.800 was this
00:23:32.260 more relaxed
00:23:32.920 or was it
00:23:33.280 more formal
00:23:33.840 I don't know
00:23:34.400 it was done
00:23:34.940 exactly like
00:23:35.660 a hearing
00:23:36.020 he was
00:23:36.360 sitting at
00:23:36.720 a table
00:23:37.100 we were
00:23:37.580 around him
00:23:38.420 like firing
00:23:39.320 questions
00:23:39.900 at him
00:23:40.360 and
00:23:40.680 sometimes
00:23:41.920 you do
00:23:42.360 it this
00:23:42.620 way
00:23:42.800 sometimes
00:23:43.100 you don't
00:23:43.640 but in
00:23:43.920 this instance
00:23:44.500 they gave
00:23:45.040 me the
00:23:45.880 role of
00:23:46.320 Sheldon
00:23:46.640 Whitehouse
00:23:47.120 who's one
00:23:47.540 of the
00:23:47.720 most partisan
00:23:48.260 democrats
00:23:48.820 on the
00:23:49.100 committee
00:23:49.360 I've
00:23:49.680 served
00:23:49.860 with
00:23:50.040 Sheldon
00:23:50.400 13
00:23:51.140 years
00:23:51.600 I know
00:23:52.040 him
00:23:52.180 well
00:23:52.580 and so
00:23:53.640 you know
00:23:53.960 I mean
00:23:54.160 I was
00:23:54.560 screaming
00:23:55.180 at him
00:23:55.800 and my
00:23:56.360 questions
00:23:57.680 were wildly
00:23:58.520 unfair
00:23:58.960 but you
00:24:01.240 got to get
00:24:01.560 ready for
00:24:01.980 wildly unfair
00:24:02.680 questions
00:24:03.140 I was not
00:24:03.840 trying to be
00:24:04.320 nice to him
00:24:04.820 in the mood
00:24:05.140 because that
00:24:05.760 if you're
00:24:06.560 doing that
00:24:07.040 you're not
00:24:07.380 doing your
00:24:07.740 job in a
00:24:08.240 mood
00:24:09.320 I gotta
00:24:09.780 say
00:24:10.240 he did
00:24:11.500 so it was
00:24:12.020 interesting
00:24:12.340 in the mood
00:24:12.740 a couple
00:24:13.120 of times
00:24:13.760 like Cash
00:24:15.040 would try
00:24:15.380 to pop
00:24:15.780 back
00:24:16.100 and we
00:24:16.380 would stop
00:24:16.840 and say
00:24:17.140 look
00:24:17.440 it's not
00:24:18.140 your job
00:24:18.780 to punch
00:24:20.940 the democrats
00:24:21.460 in the face
00:24:22.100 in this
00:24:22.540 hearing
00:24:22.820 my advice
00:24:24.580 by the way
00:24:25.120 to every
00:24:25.640 hearing
00:24:26.000 nominee
00:24:26.360 is be
00:24:28.160 boring
00:24:28.700 right now
00:24:30.640 today
00:24:30.940 you've got
00:24:31.420 the votes
00:24:31.780 to be
00:24:32.100 confirmed
00:24:32.540 from the
00:24:33.680 democrats
00:24:34.100 perspective
00:24:34.680 the only
00:24:35.060 way they
00:24:35.360 can change
00:24:36.040 that
00:24:36.380 is get
00:24:37.760 you to
00:24:38.100 say
00:24:38.340 something
00:24:38.740 in the
00:24:39.100 hearing
00:24:39.560 where you
00:24:40.720 step on
00:24:42.000 a landmine
00:24:42.600 and blow
00:24:43.000 yourself up
00:24:43.720 if you
00:24:44.820 don't do
00:24:45.400 that
00:24:45.680 you will
00:24:46.040 be confirmed
00:24:46.660 and you
00:24:47.040 will go
00:24:47.280 do the
00:24:47.640 job the
00:24:48.120 president
00:24:48.440 has asked
00:24:48.880 you to
00:24:49.100 do
00:24:49.320 and so
00:24:51.100 a good
00:24:53.080 role of a
00:24:53.680 hearing
00:24:54.000 someone you
00:24:54.780 know very
00:24:55.240 well is
00:24:55.780 John Ashcroft
00:24:56.980 so when I
00:24:59.100 was a young
00:24:59.740 baby lawyer
00:25:00.560 I was part
00:25:02.280 of the team
00:25:02.840 that helped
00:25:03.720 prepare John
00:25:04.560 Ashcroft
00:25:05.200 for his
00:25:06.280 confirmation
00:25:06.780 hearing to
00:25:07.680 be attorney
00:25:08.060 general
00:25:08.420 and I
00:25:09.560 was you
00:25:10.120 know 30
00:25:10.480 years old
00:25:11.040 a baby
00:25:11.360 lawyer but
00:25:11.840 I'd been
00:25:12.240 on the
00:25:12.500 Bush campaign
00:25:13.220 and Ashcroft
00:25:13.820 gets nominated
00:25:14.400 to be AG
00:25:14.840 so I remember
00:25:15.780 we're prepping
00:25:16.620 him and
00:25:17.640 and just like
00:25:18.440 with Cash
00:25:18.960 Patel we
00:25:19.580 were asking
00:25:20.220 horrible
00:25:20.900 questions we
00:25:21.540 were asking
00:25:22.060 I mean we
00:25:23.460 were just
00:25:23.960 just and
00:25:25.240 in the prep
00:25:26.120 session Ashcroft
00:25:27.060 would get pissed
00:25:27.800 and he'd yell
00:25:28.560 at us
00:25:29.080 and we'd
00:25:31.320 say we'd
00:25:31.800 say senator
00:25:32.220 you're exactly
00:25:32.820 right that
00:25:33.340 that question
00:25:34.120 was terrible
00:25:34.880 it was it
00:25:35.560 was unfair
00:25:36.400 it was
00:25:36.800 dishonest
00:25:37.600 it was
00:25:37.920 abusive
00:25:38.500 senator can
00:25:40.640 we remind
00:25:41.140 you you
00:25:41.420 have the
00:25:41.700 votes right
00:25:42.160 now like
00:25:43.080 they want
00:25:43.900 you to
00:25:44.320 get pissed
00:25:45.080 and so I
00:25:46.160 was glad he
00:25:46.640 yelled at me
00:25:47.100 and he yelled
00:25:47.460 at the other
00:25:47.780 people in the
00:25:48.240 mood because
00:25:48.680 that it
00:25:49.240 got it off
00:25:49.860 his chest
00:25:50.440 and I
00:25:51.520 still remember
00:25:52.160 you go back
00:25:52.660 and watch
00:25:53.020 Ashcroft's
00:25:54.220 confirmation
00:25:54.980 hearing and
00:25:56.500 there was one
00:25:57.040 exchange and
00:25:57.640 I'm paraphrasing
00:25:58.340 it was
00:25:58.600 24 years
00:25:59.540 ago but
00:26:00.060 but he
00:26:01.240 had given
00:26:01.700 a speech
00:26:02.280 about the
00:26:02.800 second amendment
00:26:03.420 and he had
00:26:04.680 talked about
00:26:05.240 the second
00:26:05.800 amendment
00:26:06.200 that the
00:26:06.580 framers had
00:26:07.120 intended as
00:26:07.800 a second
00:26:08.280 amendment
00:26:08.700 as a check
00:26:10.080 on tyranny
00:26:11.060 from from
00:26:11.660 the government
00:26:12.180 and Ted Kennedy
00:26:13.960 who was
00:26:14.280 questioning him
00:26:14.940 goes tyranny
00:26:16.100 from our
00:26:17.560 government
00:26:18.100 the American
00:26:19.140 government
00:26:19.720 you know
00:26:20.260 what that
00:26:20.640 is
00:26:20.860 treason
00:26:21.640 man I
00:26:22.160 say you're
00:26:22.660 a traitor
00:26:23.200 and he
00:26:24.100 like screams
00:26:24.960 at the top
00:26:25.500 of his lungs
00:26:26.080 calling Ashcroft
00:26:27.800 a traitor
00:26:28.200 and at the
00:26:28.700 actual hearing
00:26:29.400 Ashcroft
00:26:30.040 I don't think
00:26:30.900 his heartbeat
00:26:31.380 exceeded 65
00:26:32.700 beats a minute
00:26:33.400 and he very
00:26:33.860 calmly said
00:26:34.500 senator if I'm
00:26:35.180 confirmed as
00:26:35.720 attorney general
00:26:36.400 I will follow
00:26:37.580 the law
00:26:38.080 and I will
00:26:38.660 enforce the
00:26:39.180 law
00:26:39.420 and it got
00:26:40.380 confirmed
00:26:40.740 so cash
00:26:42.620 Patel
00:26:43.000 likewise
00:26:43.540 he got
00:26:44.700 some of his
00:26:45.160 yelling out
00:26:45.740 at the
00:26:45.980 mooters
00:26:46.340 actually
00:26:46.660 not much
00:26:47.460 he did a
00:26:47.780 good job
00:26:48.200 of not
00:26:48.480 losing his
00:26:48.920 cool
00:26:49.260 in the
00:26:50.100 moot
00:26:50.400 and then
00:26:50.980 in the
00:26:51.220 hearing
00:26:51.520 I think
00:26:51.880 he did
00:26:52.120 an excellent
00:26:52.520 job
00:26:52.980 when it
00:26:53.860 came to
00:26:54.340 my turn
00:26:55.000 they had
00:26:56.440 been beating
00:26:56.900 him up
00:26:57.220 a lot
00:26:57.580 on January
00:26:58.400 6th
00:26:59.100 and so
00:26:59.360 I wanted
00:26:59.720 to give
00:27:00.000 him a
00:27:00.240 chance
00:27:00.620 to get
00:27:01.440 out some
00:27:01.800 basic facts
00:27:02.580 so give
00:27:03.400 a listen
00:27:03.860 to my
00:27:04.360 cross
00:27:04.740 examination
00:27:05.220 of
00:27:06.260 Kash
00:27:06.600 Patel
00:27:07.120 this past
00:27:07.700 week
00:27:08.020 on his
00:27:09.280 confirmation
00:27:09.740 hearing
00:27:10.300 for director
00:27:11.160 of the
00:27:11.380 FBI
00:27:11.680 you will
00:27:13.540 be and
00:27:13.940 have been
00:27:14.320 accused
00:27:14.760 of just
00:27:15.200 about
00:27:15.400 everything
00:27:15.720 they can
00:27:16.240 but I
00:27:16.500 want to
00:27:16.840 focus on
00:27:17.360 what several
00:27:17.860 democrats
00:27:18.440 have done
00:27:19.000 recently
00:27:19.480 which is
00:27:21.400 trying to
00:27:22.000 blame you
00:27:22.580 for the
00:27:22.940 violence
00:27:23.360 that occurred
00:27:24.000 on January
00:27:25.240 6th
00:27:26.380 which even
00:27:27.120 in the
00:27:27.740 annals
00:27:28.340 of
00:27:28.920 ridiculous
00:27:30.000 attacks
00:27:30.740 this one
00:27:32.960 really takes
00:27:33.540 the cake
00:27:34.020 so let's
00:27:34.540 just focus
00:27:35.500 on some
00:27:36.100 facts
00:27:36.500 let me
00:27:37.760 ask you
00:27:37.960 a question
00:27:38.340 what role
00:27:40.140 did you
00:27:40.560 occupy
00:27:41.180 in the
00:27:42.600 days
00:27:43.200 immediately
00:27:44.160 before
00:27:44.560 January
00:27:44.960 6th
00:27:45.480 chief
00:27:45.740 of
00:27:45.880 staff
00:27:46.120 at the
00:27:46.360 department
00:27:46.620 of
00:27:46.780 defense
00:27:47.140 you
00:27:47.940 were
00:27:48.060 the
00:27:48.180 chief
00:27:48.420 of
00:27:48.600 staff
00:27:49.060 at the
00:27:49.660 department
00:27:50.000 of
00:27:50.180 defense
00:27:50.620 yes sir
00:27:51.340 so to
00:27:52.300 be clear
00:27:52.700 you were
00:27:53.020 not
00:27:53.260 rioting
00:27:53.960 at the
00:27:54.860 capitol
00:27:55.200 no sir
00:27:55.720 where were
00:27:57.460 you
00:27:57.680 physically
00:27:58.260 on
00:27:59.300 January
00:27:59.620 6th
00:28:00.300 in the
00:28:00.600 office
00:28:00.840 of the
00:28:01.100 secretary
00:28:01.420 of
00:28:01.580 defense
00:28:01.880 in the
00:28:02.100 pentagon
00:28:02.460 and
00:28:04.020 what
00:28:04.460 were
00:28:04.660 you
00:28:04.840 doing
00:28:05.420 on
00:28:06.180 that
00:28:06.340 day
00:28:06.600 on
00:28:07.480 that
00:28:07.680 day
00:28:07.900 specifically
00:28:08.500 responding
00:28:09.340 to
00:28:09.720 preparing
00:28:10.240 to
00:28:10.640 mobilize
00:28:11.160 and deploy
00:28:11.700 the
00:28:11.860 national
00:28:12.220 guard
00:28:12.600 once
00:28:13.240 we
00:28:13.400 got
00:28:13.560 the
00:28:13.740 lawful
00:28:14.040 request
00:28:14.460 from
00:28:14.640 the
00:28:14.780 local
00:28:15.040 governing
00:28:15.440 authority
00:28:15.920 which
00:28:16.160 was
00:28:16.300 the
00:28:16.460 mayor
00:28:16.680 of
00:28:16.860 dc
00:28:17.180 and
00:28:17.320 the
00:28:17.440 speaker
00:28:17.660 of
00:28:17.800 the
00:28:17.880 house
00:28:18.160 now how
00:28:19.300 many days
00:28:19.820 in advance
00:28:20.500 were you
00:28:21.160 working to
00:28:21.680 prepare the
00:28:22.200 department of
00:28:22.720 defense to
00:28:23.220 help secure
00:28:23.760 the capitol on
00:28:24.460 January 6th
00:28:25.300 days in advance
00:28:26.260 senator we
00:28:26.860 were in the
00:28:27.180 oval office on
00:28:27.960 an unrelated
00:28:28.480 national security
00:28:29.400 matter with
00:28:29.840 the president
00:28:30.240 of the united
00:28:30.580 states the
00:28:31.220 secretary of
00:28:31.780 defense the
00:28:32.360 chairman of
00:28:32.740 the joint
00:28:32.980 chiefs of
00:28:33.400 staff and
00:28:33.860 myself and
00:28:35.060 the president
00:28:35.560 authorized up to
00:28:36.520 20,000 plus
00:28:37.560 national guards
00:28:38.260 men and
00:28:38.600 women to
00:28:39.400 secure any
00:28:40.120 security measures
00:28:40.980 necessary related
00:28:41.640 to the
00:28:41.900 capitol so we
00:28:43.060 were moving to
00:28:44.220 the fullest extent
00:28:44.920 of the law
00:28:45.460 before the
00:28:46.540 requisite request
00:28:48.140 came from a
00:28:48.780 local governing
00:28:49.320 authority days
00:28:50.080 ahead of time
00:28:50.660 and while you
00:28:52.000 were chief of
00:28:52.740 staff at
00:28:53.260 dod how many
00:28:54.480 times did
00:28:55.200 dod approach
00:28:57.140 capitol police
00:28:58.000 and ask if
00:28:58.800 they needed
00:28:59.300 national guard
00:28:59.940 assistance i
00:29:01.260 believe those
00:29:01.720 letters are
00:29:02.240 well documented
00:29:02.940 numerous instances
00:29:04.720 and numerous
00:29:06.480 of those
00:29:06.900 instances they
00:29:07.920 were those
00:29:08.460 requests were
00:29:09.420 shut down
00:29:10.120 now am i
00:29:11.200 correct that the
00:29:11.820 capitol sergeant
00:29:12.580 at arms said
00:29:13.260 assistance was
00:29:13.920 unnecessary that's
00:29:15.680 correct senator
00:29:16.320 um who did the
00:29:18.760 sergeant at arms
00:29:19.420 report to the
00:29:20.260 speaker of the
00:29:20.800 house that would
00:29:21.920 have been nancy
00:29:22.480 pelosi at the
00:29:23.080 time is that
00:29:23.540 correct yes
00:29:25.060 senator uh
00:29:26.500 and and would
00:29:27.980 that also be
00:29:29.000 chuck schumer
00:29:30.160 then the senate
00:29:30.700 majority leader
00:29:31.340 the sergeant at
00:29:32.780 arms yes
00:29:33.220 senator reports
00:29:33.980 up there
00:29:34.700 did mayor
00:29:37.260 bowser the
00:29:39.060 democrat elected
00:29:40.200 mayor in dc
00:29:41.300 either request or
00:29:42.840 allow national
00:29:43.600 guard assistance
00:29:44.280 she put in
00:29:45.060 writing on the
00:29:46.360 days leading up
00:29:47.000 to january 6
00:29:47.800 a declination
00:29:48.740 for national
00:29:49.680 guard additional
00:29:50.280 support and that
00:29:51.580 letter is available
00:29:52.160 publicly to the
00:29:52.900 world so so
00:29:53.940 and and just to
00:29:54.980 to to speak
00:29:55.820 english for folks
00:29:56.640 at home a
00:29:57.200 declination meant
00:29:58.040 she said no
00:29:58.780 don't send
00:29:59.500 national guard is
00:30:00.240 that right yes
00:30:00.920 sir
00:30:01.120 let me ask you
00:30:04.160 a simple question
00:30:04.900 because from the
00:30:05.480 questioning from my
00:30:06.240 democrat colleagues
00:30:07.060 they might think
00:30:07.640 otherwise do you
00:30:09.300 condemn violence
00:30:10.220 against law
00:30:10.700 enforcement all
00:30:11.620 of it and by the
00:30:13.640 way is that true
00:30:14.600 whether the
00:30:15.060 violence is right
00:30:16.940 wing or left
00:30:17.640 wing or anywhere
00:30:18.340 else there is no
00:30:19.620 discriminating between
00:30:20.800 types of violence
00:30:21.700 against law
00:30:22.200 enforcement and do
00:30:24.640 you believe those
00:30:25.560 who assault and
00:30:26.360 commit violence
00:30:27.100 against law
00:30:28.060 enforcement should
00:30:28.900 be prosecuted and
00:30:30.220 and should be
00:30:31.080 sent to jail
00:30:31.860 especially those
00:30:33.000 that kill them
00:30:34.000 let me ask you
00:30:35.960 how many years
00:30:36.600 have you worked in
00:30:38.240 public service
00:30:38.820 about 16 senator
00:30:40.660 and how many years
00:30:42.180 have you worked in
00:30:42.820 particular in law
00:30:43.720 enforcement and
00:30:44.840 prosecution and
00:30:45.760 national security
00:30:46.500 over a decade
00:30:48.060 senator
00:30:48.540 you know i have to
00:30:50.900 say it is
00:30:52.080 ludicrous but
00:30:54.900 sadly predictable
00:30:55.820 that democrats are
00:30:58.140 endeavoring to
00:30:58.980 tarnish you
00:30:59.680 to paint
00:31:01.700 a false
00:31:03.920 caricature
00:31:05.000 based on
00:31:06.540 innuendo
00:31:07.100 and smoke
00:31:08.180 and so you're
00:31:08.900 working to protect
00:31:09.860 the capital on
00:31:10.660 january 6th and
00:31:11.680 yet they're trying to
00:31:12.600 blame you
00:31:13.220 for the violence
00:31:14.700 that occurred
00:31:15.340 let me ask you
00:31:18.760 to this just as a
00:31:19.760 straightforward matter
00:31:20.700 what is the job
00:31:24.280 of the fbi
00:31:25.240 and what will the
00:31:27.920 fbi's role be
00:31:29.480 if and when you
00:31:30.860 are confirmed as
00:31:31.700 its director
00:31:32.460 the simple motto
00:31:34.580 on the website of
00:31:35.680 the fbi's home page
00:31:36.660 is to protect
00:31:37.260 american citizens
00:31:38.140 and uphold the
00:31:38.940 constitution
00:31:39.580 if i am confirmed
00:31:40.980 as the next director
00:31:41.840 of the fbi
00:31:42.460 that's what we're
00:31:43.500 going to do
00:31:43.980 and redirect
00:31:44.520 resources to making
00:31:45.580 sure that occurs
00:31:46.420 every single day
00:31:47.520 thank you for your
00:31:49.200 willingness to do so
00:31:50.360 and and this committee
00:31:51.400 will will hold you
00:31:52.340 to account
00:31:52.960 on restoring
00:31:53.960 integrity at the fbi
00:31:55.400 and i thank you also
00:31:56.300 for your commitment
00:31:57.020 to transparency
00:31:57.780 i think that is
00:31:59.280 incredibly important
00:32:00.340 to bringing back
00:32:01.180 integrity
00:32:01.740 and i'm grateful for
00:32:02.940 it wouldn't it be nice
00:32:03.940 if the media would
00:32:04.660 fact check the
00:32:05.740 the democrats
00:32:06.420 on the committee
00:32:07.220 that were trashing him
00:32:08.400 trying to connect him
00:32:09.280 to january 6th
00:32:10.100 like he was an
00:32:10.680 insurrectionist
00:32:11.600 in their words
00:32:12.340 and just tell the story
00:32:14.000 of what he was actually
00:32:14.680 doing i'm so thankful
00:32:15.760 that you asked those
00:32:16.560 questions
00:32:17.060 yeah don't hold your
00:32:18.600 breath on that
00:32:19.140 the media has their
00:32:20.320 story to tell
00:32:21.060 and they're not going
00:32:21.560 to get let facts
00:32:22.240 get in the way
00:32:22.780 so last question on
00:32:24.380 this this is a really
00:32:25.500 important position
00:32:26.780 being in charge
00:32:27.600 of the fbi
00:32:28.180 when are you guys
00:32:29.720 going to actually
00:32:30.320 get to vote on this
00:32:31.380 so we will vote
00:32:32.700 on cash patel
00:32:33.700 in a week
00:32:34.280 so this week
00:32:34.900 there'll be a markup
00:32:36.440 but the way the
00:32:37.040 senate judiciary
00:32:37.600 committee works
00:32:39.160 is the minority
00:32:39.900 has a right
00:32:40.760 on on any vote
00:32:42.080 to hold it over
00:32:42.920 for a week
00:32:43.560 and delay it
00:32:44.100 for a week
00:32:44.600 so they will do
00:32:45.680 that this week
00:32:46.380 and so they'll
00:32:46.920 delay that
00:32:47.660 now pam bondi
00:32:49.540 will be confirmed
00:32:50.260 on the floor
00:32:50.740 of the senate
00:32:51.160 this week
00:32:51.700 so by the end
00:32:52.300 of this week
00:32:52.880 she'll be
00:32:53.280 attorney general
00:32:54.100 next week
00:32:55.740 we'll vote
00:32:56.540 on cash patel
00:32:57.360 and judiciary
00:32:57.840 committee
00:32:58.340 and then i'll
00:32:58.760 go to the senate
00:32:59.260 floor after that
00:33:00.060 all right lastly
00:33:01.360 you during the
00:33:02.720 panama hearing
00:33:03.640 brought up
00:33:04.860 something that
00:33:05.780 was interesting
00:33:07.220 and i want to
00:33:07.760 ask you about
00:33:08.440 it we mentioned
00:33:09.020 it earlier
00:33:09.660 and that was
00:33:11.060 talking about
00:33:12.140 the flights
00:33:12.860 going back
00:33:13.660 into israel
00:33:14.760 give everybody
00:33:15.900 an update on
00:33:16.460 this one because
00:33:17.100 it really is
00:33:17.640 important
00:33:18.060 well the reason
00:33:19.060 i brought it
00:33:19.580 up is one of
00:33:20.180 the witnesses
00:33:20.560 we had at
00:33:21.120 that hearing
00:33:21.580 was an
00:33:22.360 international
00:33:22.780 law professor
00:33:23.540 who's an
00:33:23.840 expert on
00:33:24.340 treaties and
00:33:24.960 testified about
00:33:25.860 the panama
00:33:26.340 canal treaty
00:33:27.400 who was in
00:33:29.380 israel
00:33:29.820 and and we
00:33:30.740 had asked him
00:33:31.260 to come back
00:33:31.740 to dc to
00:33:32.340 testify in
00:33:33.020 person but
00:33:34.180 but there are
00:33:34.820 no direct
00:33:35.600 flights right
00:33:36.220 now from the
00:33:36.780 united states
00:33:37.480 to and from
00:33:38.020 israel and so
00:33:38.740 it would have
00:33:39.120 taken him i
00:33:39.660 think over
00:33:40.560 30 hours to
00:33:41.620 get here it
00:33:42.120 was very
00:33:42.520 expensive so
00:33:43.560 we ended up
00:33:43.980 having him
00:33:44.400 testify via
00:33:46.000 video conference
00:33:46.920 which is a
00:33:47.460 general matter i
00:33:48.300 don't want to
00:33:48.660 have happen in
00:33:49.200 the commerce
00:33:49.600 committee but i
00:33:50.240 made an
00:33:50.600 exception because
00:33:51.840 it was so
00:33:52.560 time-consuming
00:33:53.280 and expensive
00:33:53.920 for him to
00:33:54.400 get back to
00:33:54.860 the united
00:33:55.160 states and
00:33:56.120 his testimony
00:33:56.680 was particularly
00:33:57.320 valuable
00:33:57.820 all three
00:33:59.900 major u.s.
00:34:00.860 carriers suspended
00:34:02.080 air flights to
00:34:04.420 and from
00:34:05.080 israel following
00:34:07.140 october 7th and
00:34:08.180 they had been
00:34:08.660 suspended the
00:34:09.380 entire time
00:34:10.180 now delta
00:34:11.540 has announced
00:34:13.180 publicly it
00:34:14.020 tends to
00:34:14.540 intends to
00:34:15.240 resume service
00:34:16.200 to and from
00:34:16.780 israel that's a
00:34:17.440 very good step
00:34:18.300 to date neither
00:34:20.020 united nor
00:34:20.900 american has
00:34:21.660 done so
00:34:22.360 i predicted in
00:34:23.600 fact i predicted
00:34:24.220 the week of
00:34:24.720 inauguration
00:34:25.480 all three u.s.
00:34:27.440 carriers will
00:34:28.820 resume air
00:34:30.720 air flights will
00:34:31.720 announce that
00:34:32.300 they're resuming
00:34:32.820 air flights to
00:34:33.580 and from israel
00:34:34.360 within 30 days i
00:34:36.020 think it is time
00:34:36.800 for that to
00:34:37.360 happen you
00:34:38.220 used to have
00:34:38.800 delta united
00:34:39.520 american all
00:34:40.380 flying to and
00:34:41.140 from tel aviv i
00:34:42.520 think within 30
00:34:43.240 days all three
00:34:44.120 were and will
00:34:44.720 announce they're
00:34:45.360 resuming air
00:34:46.640 flights to and
00:34:47.320 from tel aviv by
00:34:48.040 the way to be
00:34:48.460 clear european
00:34:50.220 airlines are
00:34:51.240 flying into
00:34:51.900 israel regional
00:34:53.320 airlines are
00:34:54.080 flying into
00:34:54.720 israel you
00:34:55.200 can get
00:34:55.600 there but
00:34:55.960 you got to
00:34:56.320 fly go to
00:34:57.320 go to somewhere
00:34:57.980 in europe and
00:34:58.680 then cut down
00:34:59.340 you got to
00:34:59.720 connect through
00:35:00.180 somewhere else
00:35:00.980 if the other
00:35:02.540 airlines of the
00:35:03.260 world can fly to
00:35:04.180 and from israel
00:35:04.940 there's no reason
00:35:06.180 for the united
00:35:06.740 states airlines
00:35:07.500 not to do so
00:35:08.400 and i think
00:35:08.760 within 30 days
00:35:09.720 you'll see all
00:35:10.620 three of them
00:35:11.180 delta's already
00:35:11.820 done it but i
00:35:12.420 think you'll see
00:35:13.000 united american
00:35:13.940 follow suit very
00:35:15.580 soon yeah well
00:35:16.700 done for them to
00:35:17.340 be the first ones
00:35:18.100 to do it it's
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