Verdict with Ted Cruz - November 08, 2023


The Book is OUT! Unwoke： How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America


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47 minutes

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173.55788

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8,286

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516

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

16


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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
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00:00:05.460 Welcome.
00:00:06.200 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz.
00:00:08.180 Ben Ferguson with you.
00:00:10.000 And Senator, let's just start with congratulations.
00:00:13.160 It's official.
00:00:14.260 Your new book is out, Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America.
00:00:19.800 And I have to say, when you get the book, if you haven't gotten the book,
00:00:23.200 the best page, just skip right ahead to page number 40.
00:00:28.840 It's the best page in the book, so congrats on that, most importantly, Senator.
00:00:33.820 Page 40, phenomenal.
00:00:35.500 You should definitely just go right there, read that, and then start at the very beginning.
00:00:39.080 Ben, what the hell is on page 40?
00:00:40.820 I don't know what's on page 40.
00:00:42.560 Page 40, it says, and I will quote here,
00:00:45.660 Every podcast is done alongside my co-host today.
00:00:48.780 That's Ben Ferguson, the nationally syndicated radio host has become a very dear friend.
00:00:53.240 I got a shout-out.
00:00:54.120 Thank you, sir.
00:00:54.820 I appreciate that.
00:00:55.740 So I actually think maybe the best page in the book is the very first page of the book
00:01:01.800 of your copy, because I gave you a copy.
00:01:04.940 I gave you a signed copy.
00:01:06.360 You did.
00:01:07.420 And if you recall the inscription that I wrote on the front, I said,
00:01:13.440 Ben, you are one of the three best hosts in history of the Verdict podcast.
00:01:22.240 Don't leave out the word undoubtedly, you used that word.
00:01:25.380 Undoubtedly.
00:01:26.060 There we go.
00:01:26.760 I want to make sure that I get that in the history books.
00:01:28.880 Now, never mind that there have only been three hosts of Verdict,
00:01:31.960 and that would be you, me, and Michael Knowles,
00:01:33.540 but you are undoubtedly one of the three best.
00:01:36.480 Yes, and that's on the shelf right now.
00:01:40.240 And the second sentence I actually liked even better than the first,
00:01:43.800 and I said of all of the men to play college tennis,
00:01:49.220 you're one of them.
00:01:49.960 There we go.
00:01:50.800 You are one of them.
00:01:51.660 So this is the best part.
00:01:53.800 When you signed this, I didn't want to travel with it,
00:01:56.560 and you and I have been on the road.
00:01:57.600 We were on the road last week, and I didn't want to travel with the book
00:02:00.540 because I was like, all right, this is one I want to genuinely say forever.
00:02:04.040 So I got home for the trip, and I didn't want to knock the book around.
00:02:08.580 So I was reading all day yesterday and all day today
00:02:12.060 to make sure that we could have a stellar interview on your own show
00:02:17.240 about your book.
00:02:18.600 So let's start with the title.
00:02:20.560 Why did you pick the title Unwoke?
00:02:24.240 And also, for people that don't understand what the definition of cultural Marxism is,
00:02:30.180 what does that mean?
00:02:31.820 Look, I wrote this book because the world has gone insane,
00:02:35.980 and my reaction is the same as millions of people, as the listeners of this podcast.
00:02:41.460 Our reaction is, what the hell happened?
00:02:43.560 How did things get so crazy so fast?
00:02:46.220 This book is my best effort to explain it, and in particular, it's explaining how the radical left
00:02:53.440 has seized every major institution in America.
00:02:58.480 And so the book starts, chapter one, is the universities.
00:03:03.300 And I call the universities the Wuhan lab of the woke virus.
00:03:08.660 The universities are where the virus was created.
00:03:11.480 It's where it mutated, and it's where it spread.
00:03:15.500 Each chapter of the book focuses on a different institution the radical left has seized.
00:03:22.000 So chapter two focuses on K-12 education and all the radical garbage being put in our kids,
00:03:28.760 whether it's critical race theory or radical transgenderism.
00:03:32.460 Chapter three focuses on journalism and how journalism has changed from covering the news to propaganda.
00:03:41.740 From there I go to big business and how big business today, the Fortune 100,
00:03:47.400 are the economic enforcers of the radical left.
00:03:50.240 From there I go to big tech and how big tech is pervasively censoring speech.
00:03:57.580 From there I go to entertainment.
00:03:59.300 And by the way, if I could have just one back, I would have entertainment back.
00:04:03.840 Entertainment, I think, is the most consequential of all of these.
00:04:07.580 And in entertainment we talk about Hollywood and movies and television and sports and music.
00:04:12.280 We break it all down.
00:04:13.720 From there we go to science, and I talk about how science has been corrupted and politicized.
00:04:19.860 And the final chapter in the book is on China and explains how China is a nexus that links them all.
00:04:27.880 And the book was really designed to do two things.
00:04:30.120 Number one, explain how and why, specifically, the radical left took over every one of those institutions.
00:04:37.940 And they did it from the inside.
00:04:39.800 But secondly, to lay out a clear battle plan how we take them back, how we fight back.
00:04:48.020 I believe we will take this country back.
00:04:50.600 And this book is laying out how we recapture the institutions of America.
00:04:55.160 You know, in this book, and I encourage people to get it because there is just incredible history in the very beginning as well about your family.
00:05:05.540 I know your father and have gotten to spend some time with him.
00:05:10.100 He's an awesome, just individual to be around.
00:05:13.920 He's jovial.
00:05:14.820 He can be funny.
00:05:16.240 He loves this country.
00:05:18.260 But there is some incredible history, not only about your family, but also how your father was involved in Cuba,
00:05:28.600 in the students at a young age, and what was happening really with the revolution down there,
00:05:36.760 and how he was, I guess you could say, brought in to this revolution with Castro, not realizing what Castro was doing.
00:05:46.640 And it started at a young age where they were targeting children, and it was an incredible part of the story,
00:05:53.040 not just because of what happened, but also how he was beaten and how his life was threatened
00:05:59.820 and how he was a marked man who had to get out and come to America.
00:06:04.220 Talk a little bit about that story, of that being your history of your family,
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00:07:48.740 Senator, talk about this family history.
00:07:51.460 It's the beginning of the book, and it takes your breath away when you realize how close your father was to death in Cuba.
00:08:00.700 Well, my family story is a huge part of why this matters so much to me.
00:08:04.740 It's personal and it's real.
00:08:06.060 And what I want to do is just read you the first page of the book.
00:08:09.900 His white linen suit was stained red with blood.
00:08:14.160 Blood that had been beaten out of him with a club, regularly, each hour.
00:08:18.600 Breaking his nose, shattering his teeth, scarlet red blood, as if his suit were emblazoned with the color of the Marxist revolution of which he was a part.
00:08:30.960 As my father lay on that prison floor, crumpled and broken, not a spot of white was visible on the now torn and tattered suit he had been given for his 17th birthday.
00:08:43.980 Instead, mud and dirt and grime and blood.
00:08:50.200 To this day, my dad remembers what he was thinking in that dark hole.
00:08:53.860 Nobody depends on me.
00:08:56.860 I have no wife, no children.
00:08:59.600 It doesn't matter if I live or I die.
00:09:02.740 Three years earlier, when he was just 14, my father had made the fateful decision to join up with the revolution in his homeland of Cuba.
00:09:11.880 To follow Fidel Castro.
00:09:15.240 My dad was young and ignorant and naive.
00:09:19.280 Rafael Bienvenido Cruz did not know that Castro was a communist.
00:09:26.120 He didn't know the horrors that would befall the Cuban people at the hands of his new comrades.
00:09:32.260 He just knew that the then dictator of Cuba, Fulgencio Batista, was corrupt and cruel and oppressive.
00:09:40.160 As Francis Ford Coppola immortally chronicled in the Godfather saga, Batista was in bed with the American mafia, enjoying wealth and power purchased with the blood beaten out of the Cuban people.
00:09:56.540 Look, that's my family story.
00:09:58.500 My dad at 17 was tortured.
00:10:00.480 He was in prison.
00:10:01.680 He fled Cuba.
00:10:02.680 He came to America.
00:10:03.600 My aunt, my Tia Sonia, whom I adore, who we actually had on verdict as a guest, talking about Cuba.
00:10:10.820 She fought in the counter-revolution after Castro succeeded.
00:10:13.680 She was in prison.
00:10:14.800 She was tortured by Castro's goons.
00:10:18.060 I tell her story in this book, too.
00:10:20.800 I also tell the story of my grandmother, my abuela.
00:10:23.540 My abuela was a sixth-grade teacher, and she told me she loved teaching.
00:10:30.280 She loved teaching her students, and she had a pure photographic memory, man.
00:10:34.240 It was incredible.
00:10:35.000 She literally, everything she read, she remembered word for word.
00:10:40.700 She told me about when Castro took over that they almost immediately targeted the children.
00:10:47.940 And one thing to understand, Marxists always begin with the kids.
00:10:53.580 Always, always, always.
00:10:54.980 As my father told me, the revolution, like he was, were a bunch of 14- and 15-year-old boys who didn't know any better.
00:11:02.640 Teenagers, and you look at every communist revolution in the world, whether you're talking about Russia or China or North Korea or Cuba or Venezuela,
00:11:11.360 it is always the young teenagers who are idealistic, who believe, and who are naive, who don't have the world experience to understand they're being lied to.
00:11:21.960 But communists start not just with teenagers, they go younger.
00:11:25.700 And what my grandmother told me is she said almost immediately after the revolution, they sent the army into the elementary schools,
00:11:35.120 and soldiers would go into kindergartens and first grade, and they would tell all of the little kids,
00:11:40.040 they'd say, close your eyes and pray to God for candy.
00:11:46.020 And the kids all did so.
00:11:48.680 And then they'd open their eyes and there'd be no candy.
00:11:51.420 And then the soldiers would tell them, they'd say, close your eyes and pray to Fidel Castro for candy.
00:11:59.900 And the kids did so, and while their eyes were closed, the soldiers would quietly slip a piece of candy on each child's desk.
00:12:07.600 That's not an aberration.
00:12:08.860 Che Guevara, who was a vicious, bloodthirsty murderer, he was Fidel Castro's right hand.
00:12:15.560 Che Guevara described children as malleable clay, that you can take the defects out of them.
00:12:21.560 You want to know why the cultural Marxists in America started in the universities?
00:12:25.720 You want to know why they've gone into K-12 to elementary schools and junior highs and high schools?
00:12:30.660 Because if you take the children, you take the nation.
00:12:34.360 And this book is designed to lay out how they did it and how we take them back.
00:12:38.740 You know, when I was reading this book, Senator, I go back to there's certain pivotal moments in I think everyone's life that you look back on and you go, wow, if that would have gone differently, my whole life would have gone differently or may not even exist in the first place.
00:12:53.100 I was hit by a drunk driver when I was a young kid.
00:12:57.080 We were in a car wreck.
00:12:58.120 He died.
00:12:58.680 We lived.
00:12:59.240 And I go back to that moment in my life.
00:13:01.480 Many times I was in a, as you know, a shooting where I was a target of a gang initiation.
00:13:07.100 I wonder if I would have been hit that night and in my life would have, you know, I wouldn't have my kids.
00:13:13.940 There's that moment in this book where you wrote, my father joined up and began doing acts of sabotage, burning government buildings, throwing cocktails, whatever he could to undermine the, the oppressive regime.
00:13:25.440 That's what had landed him in prison at 17.
00:13:28.280 But Jesus police had caught him and they were, uh, they were extracting their brutal revenge.
00:13:33.620 The next day was dragging the office of a colonel who told him, I'm letting you go.
00:13:38.020 But if another bomb goes off, if another fire starts, I'm blaming you.
00:13:42.240 How can I be responsible for every bad thing that happens in the city?
00:13:45.360 My father asked, I don't care.
00:13:47.200 Replied the commander.
00:13:48.320 I'm holding you responsible.
00:13:50.920 Your father returned home.
00:13:52.600 My abuela wept.
00:13:54.000 Her eldest child had walked in the door, beaten, covered in his own blood.
00:13:57.400 As she told me when I was a child that imagined that from that day was scared into her mind forever, forever.
00:14:05.420 My abuela told him, get out of the country.
00:14:09.100 And that was the turning point for your entire family history.
00:14:13.000 Because not only did he get out, but he, he applied to colleges in America.
00:14:17.620 He, he, to the university of Miami, to LSU, the university of Texas, Texas was the first one that let him in.
00:14:24.200 And that's how he came to America.
00:14:27.340 That's how you became a Texan.
00:14:29.920 And that's how your family history started anew with a clean slate in America.
00:14:35.280 When you were writing that, I'm assuming you've heard the story many times, but when you put it on paper, it took my breath away.
00:14:42.920 Look, the book is actually dedicated.
00:14:45.960 I don't think they know this yet, but it is dedicated to my father, my Tia Sonia, and my abuela in my family, the original Freedom Fighters.
00:14:57.160 I don't think my abuela is dead, but I don't think either my dad or Tia Sonia have seen that yet.
00:15:02.860 Now, my dad listens to Verdict, so he, he may find it out right now listening to the podcast.
00:15:09.280 But, but it was, I mean, when I, it's actually the very last thing I type on the book is the dedication.
00:15:15.060 And that was, look, it's, it's, it's why I am who I am.
00:15:20.000 I grew up as a kid sitting at the feet of my father and my Tia Sonia and hearing about Freedom Fighters.
00:15:25.800 And, and it is an unbelievable blessing when you are the child of someone who fled oppression and came to America seeking freedom.
00:15:35.120 Our freedom is not a joke.
00:15:36.740 It's not something, oh, that's kind of interesting.
00:15:38.820 It is, it is incredibly serious.
00:15:42.300 We either, we, we defend our freedom here or we lose America.
00:15:45.840 I hate communists.
00:15:47.480 I hate them with a passion from the pit of my gut.
00:15:51.300 They are evil.
00:15:52.180 Communism has been responsible for more death, more misery, more destruction, more poverty, more suffering than any force in the history of humanity.
00:16:01.740 And, and this book is all about how the same philosophy that has produced such misery is taking over and has taken over the major institutions of America.
00:16:14.820 And, and look, you've heard me say this before, but as a child, my father probably a thousand times said to me, when we lost our freedom in Cuba, I had a place to flee to.
00:16:23.880 If we lose our freedom here in America, where do we go?
00:16:29.520 That's what the stakes are right now.
00:16:31.380 There was also a point in there that, that hit me.
00:16:34.460 And, and, and you said that your dad did something that I think we've lost in this country.
00:16:39.440 And that's admitting sometimes that maybe we get things wrong.
00:16:43.040 Maybe this, this woke agenda is a failure.
00:16:46.140 Maybe green alternative energy is, is in this green religion is a failure.
00:16:50.900 We've tried this and doc, you know, you know, the government taking over our kids.
00:16:54.780 It's a failure.
00:16:55.260 And your dad was an advocate for Castro early on, and he was ashamed by it.
00:17:00.720 He advocated for him, uh, even in America.
00:17:03.140 And he sat down, I'm reading from the book.
00:17:05.120 He sat down and he made a list of every place he'd spoken in Austin, Texas in support of Castro.
00:17:10.980 He then went back to each and every one of them and stood before the same people to make amends.
00:17:16.920 He said, quote, I am here to apologize.
00:17:20.000 He told them, I misled you.
00:17:22.400 I didn't do so knowingly, but I did so nonetheless, I urge you to support an evil man and an evil
00:17:30.020 Marxist regime.
00:17:31.120 And for that, I am truly sorry for me.
00:17:34.400 That's not just a, a, a point of, of, of incredible character, but why don't we have that with politicians
00:17:42.680 today where they can admit, Hey, I may have gotten something wrong and I'm sorry that I got it wrong.
00:17:49.720 We tried this and it didn't work because we are now, we have so many elected officials that refuse to ever admit
00:17:55.640 they ever make a mistake.
00:17:56.820 And as humans, we make mistakes.
00:17:58.820 Look, that's exactly right.
00:18:00.340 And, and, and that story, likewise, my father told me thousands of times.
00:18:03.940 I was probably, I don't know, two or three years old.
00:18:06.140 The first time I heard that.
00:18:07.120 And, and, and I've admired it every time I've heard it because to have the courage, he had
00:18:12.220 gone and, and spoken at, at rotary clubs and Kiwanis clubs in, in Austin supporting Castro.
00:18:18.240 When, when he got here, he got here, it was 1957.
00:18:20.240 He was still a young revolutionary.
00:18:22.140 He didn't know that Castro was a communist and he hated Batista.
00:18:25.580 And, and, and then when, when Castro took over and declared he was a communist and, and, and
00:18:30.900 my dad saw the evil and oppression and theft and murder and cruelty, and, and that as bad
00:18:36.540 as Batista was, Fidel Castro was a thousand times worse.
00:18:40.440 He had the character to admit he's wrong.
00:18:42.720 Yet, you know, I'm reminded of the, the, the clip recently where Barack Obama played that,
00:18:48.340 that he said, you know, we all, we are all complicit in the Middle East because he says, well,
00:18:53.780 what Hamas did was terrible, but he said, what's happening to the, the Palestinians, the,
00:18:58.400 the, the occupation is unbearable.
00:19:01.360 And I got to admit of all the clips of Obama, that might be the one that pisses me off the
00:19:06.480 most.
00:19:06.720 I actually did, um, uh, did yesterday, Megan Kelly show, uh, her podcast in, in, uh, New
00:19:15.020 York and was talking about the book and, and, and she played that clip for me and, and I
00:19:20.300 try to, try to speak reasonably and respectably and I try to limit my cursing, but I, but she
00:19:26.060 played it to me and I just said, what utter bullshit.
00:19:29.000 And by the way, anytime I say something like that, my father will call or text me and say,
00:19:33.440 would you please watch your language?
00:19:34.460 That's, that's not really a good thing to do.
00:19:36.120 And my dad's right on that, but it, but it just, it's infuriating.
00:19:40.000 And it's like, look, Obama, you sent over a hundred million dollars to the Ayatollah,
00:19:45.160 uh, to Iran, you funded these Hamas terrorists, you set flooded money into the Gaza Strip.
00:19:50.040 You put money directly in the hands, uh, of these death squads.
00:19:54.160 And you say, we're all complicit.
00:19:55.760 And by the way, you're repeating the bigoted racist lie that there's an occupation.
00:20:00.920 The Gaza Strip is not occupied.
00:20:03.760 Hamas controls the Gaza Strip.
00:20:05.360 Israel left the Gaza Strip.
00:20:06.580 It's entirely the Palestinian.
00:20:08.180 There is no occupation, zero in Gaza.
00:20:11.280 And yet, you know, is Barack Obama capable of saying it was a mistake to send a hundred
00:20:17.700 billion dollars to the Ayatollah who chanced death to America, death to Israel?
00:20:21.020 No.
00:20:21.560 Is Joe Biden capable of saying it was a mistake for him to send nearly a hundred million dollars
00:20:26.140 to, to Iran subsequently when that money was used to fund the worst terror attack on Israel
00:20:33.100 in over 50 years?
00:20:34.120 No, they're not capable of admitting that.
00:20:36.240 And I do think admitting when something has failed is critical, critically, critically
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00:22:20.280 You mentioned, um, education and, and how it's easiest way to change a country in one
00:22:26.340 generation.
00:22:27.200 But there was also one of the things you said on page 64, it says how to fight back.
00:22:31.460 He said a few years ago, you walked in to your daughter's bedroom and asked what she'd
00:22:36.300 been learning about in school.
00:22:37.400 She said she had been learning about Christopher Columbus, the quote unquote, real story.
00:22:42.060 I asked what that meant for the next few minutes.
00:22:44.860 I heard about the crimes of Christopher Columbus in a minute detail.
00:22:49.280 Every murder, native American transmitted disease and stolen acre of land seemed to be
00:22:54.140 accounted for.
00:22:55.060 I heard that Columbus who claimed the land for himself because he, his straight white privilege
00:23:00.780 or something like that had not actually discovered anything at all, but rather had landed on the
00:23:06.860 shores of what would come to be known as America by accident.
00:23:11.220 This quote unquote revolution familiar to most adults in the United States is something that
00:23:16.420 American children encounter sooner or later in a textbook, believing that they've accessed
00:23:22.500 some secret hidden knowledge that the grownups don't want them to have.
00:23:27.920 That moment for me is the moment that terrifies me for our kids in this, my kids generation
00:23:33.300 is that we have, we have handed our children over to this school systems and it's not just public
00:23:38.660 schools now, it's private schools as well, who are indoctrinating them in this idea that
00:23:43.520 America somehow was started on, on, on, on evil, bad motives and that you should not love
00:23:50.560 this country, but you should be ashamed of this country.
00:23:53.400 And you had to deal with this with your own daughter.
00:23:55.780 Look, look, that's exactly right.
00:23:57.380 And the problem is this indoctrination is happening in every school in America.
00:24:01.380 It's happening to every child in America.
00:24:03.240 America and, and, and what I described part of the way that this book is all about how
00:24:06.980 we fight back.
00:24:07.660 But, you know, as she was saying that Columbus was evil and racist and genocidal and terrible
00:24:13.500 and she hated Christopher Columbus, you know, I just, just sat down in her bedroom and I
00:24:17.940 tried to have a conversation with her and I said, look, I'm not deeply vested in making
00:24:22.740 the argument that Christopher Columbus was some incredible hero, but, but I said, you know
00:24:27.660 what, we do have a federal holiday named after him.
00:24:32.620 Do we typically name federal holidays after evil, racist, genocidal maniacs?
00:24:39.940 Like, might there be another side to the story?
00:24:43.380 Is there anything admirable about him?
00:24:45.480 And, and she was not, not really able to, to see much that was admirable.
00:24:49.100 I said, well, what do you think about getting in three rickety, rickety wooden ships and,
00:24:54.260 and, and, and leaving Europe and, and, and heading, heading west when you think you're
00:24:58.940 falling off the edge of the world to, to, to explore and discover?
00:25:03.480 I mean, I mean, is that spirit, that intrepid spirit, is that anything to be admired?
00:25:08.000 And, and, and, and I said, secondly, look, it is true that Columbus and, and, and the men
00:25:14.440 who traveled with him, that, that, that they carried some, some germs that, that, that were,
00:25:19.600 that were new to, to, to the, to the Western Hemisphere, that when they got here, some of
00:25:25.100 the, some of the Native Americans died from those germs.
00:25:28.420 Now, it's also true it was the 15th century.
00:25:30.280 They didn't know what a germ was, so they didn't know they were carrying it.
00:25:33.360 And, and when you accuse him of mass murder, does culpability matter?
00:25:38.940 Does the fact that they didn't know what a germ was, they had no idea they were doing it,
00:25:42.520 is that at all relevant if you're going to call him this evil, terrible murder?
00:25:46.440 Or, and, and what I talk about in the, in the book is not long thereafter, which Thanksgiving
00:25:51.180 of that year, we were talking about Thanksgiving, and she and a friend of hers from school, and
00:25:54.900 this is when they were in grade school, said, said likewise, oh, Thanksgiving is, is, is
00:25:59.080 terrible.
00:25:59.720 It's when the pilgrims were oppressing the, the, the Native Americans.
00:26:03.780 And, and, and, you know, again, I, I made the argument, I think, even more vigorously
00:26:07.260 this time, and I said, and I said, listen, it is certainly right that the settlers that
00:26:12.440 came to America, that they settled America, and, and, and, and they ultimately conquered
00:26:18.180 America, and, and, and they, they committed some terrible acts to Native Americans.
00:26:23.540 But if you look at the history of humanity in, in every continent, every nation was acquired
00:26:30.940 by conquest.
00:26:31.980 And every time there's conquest, you have one group of people who are conquering another
00:26:35.420 group of people.
00:26:36.000 By the way, in the United States, before we were the United States, the Native Americans,
00:26:41.500 one tribe conquered another, conquered another, conquered another.
00:26:44.080 And you look at Europe, you look at Asia, that's the history of humanity, one group of people
00:26:47.380 conquering another.
00:26:48.460 And any time you have conquest, there are, are horrible things that happen, there are
00:26:55.480 terrible things that are done.
00:26:56.600 But I said, look, in, in any war, there were atrocities on both sides.
00:27:00.700 I said, you know, I asked, I asked my daughter, I said, you know, from whence do you think the
00:27:05.840 verb to scalp was derived?
00:27:09.680 The Native Americans did some horrible things to the settlers who came here also.
00:27:14.940 And, and the connection that, that, that I made for her and that I make in the book is
00:27:20.960 those two discussions are interlinked and intertwined, which is for all of the teachers and all of
00:27:28.440 the professors and all of the people advocating that Columbus was evil and advocating that
00:27:33.180 Thanksgiving is evil because the pilgrims were stealing from the, the, the Native Americans.
00:27:37.560 It comes down to one antecedent question.
00:27:41.020 Was the settlement of the new world a good thing or a bad thing?
00:27:46.360 Was the formation of the United States of America good or bad?
00:27:51.400 And, and, and I'm not neutral or ambivalent on that question.
00:27:54.280 I think the United States of America has been the greatest force for good of any nation in
00:27:59.520 the history of the world that we have produced more prosperity, more abundance.
00:28:04.120 We have liberated more prisoners and captives.
00:28:07.220 We have shed our blood and treasure and tears fighting tyranny more than any nation in the
00:28:13.900 history of the world.
00:28:15.160 Do we have our flaws?
00:28:16.120 Yes, of course.
00:28:16.920 Do we have our problems?
00:28:17.920 Yes, of course.
00:28:18.700 But America, I believe, like Reagan said, is a shining city on a hill.
00:28:23.340 And I want to make a special request of our verdict listeners.
00:28:26.680 You guys are incredible.
00:28:28.140 You guys are patriots.
00:28:30.340 You guys give me hope and optimism in America.
00:28:32.640 I want to ask every one of you, please, today, when you finish listening to this podcast, most
00:28:40.260 of you are listening on your cell phones.
00:28:41.780 Click over to Amazon, type in Unwoke, and buy the book right now.
00:28:49.700 We have nearly a million unique listeners who listen to Verdict.
00:28:54.820 If every one of you goes online and buys the book, it would soar to the very tops of the
00:29:02.060 New York Times bestseller list.
00:29:03.800 Amen to that.
00:29:04.060 That would drive them nuts, by the way.
00:29:06.320 And I wrote this book for the same reason, Ben, that you and I do this podcast.
00:29:13.480 It is right now 11.03 p.m. on Tuesday night.
00:29:16.380 The podcast will come out early Wednesday morning.
00:29:18.780 Why am I sitting here at 11.03?
00:29:20.420 Why are you sitting here at 11.03?
00:29:22.220 Because we care about this.
00:29:23.800 We want our incredible listeners to be armed with information and know how to fight to save
00:29:30.660 this country.
00:29:31.800 And this book is exactly in the same spirit.
00:29:34.540 The book is, I think, interesting and fun.
00:29:37.900 It's not some abstract academic treatise, but it's designed when you read it, you'll
00:29:43.600 enjoy it.
00:29:44.640 And by the way, I'd encourage you, look, if I can be immodest for a second, don't buy
00:29:49.280 just one.
00:29:50.500 You know, Christmas is coming up very soon.
00:29:53.240 Buy a copy for your mom.
00:29:54.620 Buy a copy for your brother.
00:29:55.740 Buy a copy for your next door neighbor, your best friend.
00:29:57.960 Because the reason that I spend the time to write these books, the reason that you and
00:30:03.720 I do this podcast is we either persuade and win hearts and minds or we lose America.
00:30:11.780 That's what the stakes are.
00:30:13.020 And that's what this book is about.
00:30:14.180 It's the exact same thing the podcast is about.
00:30:16.400 Canadian women are looking for more, more out of themselves, their businesses, their elected
00:30:21.760 leaders and the world around them.
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00:30:47.480 You mentioned that what we're up against in one of your chapters is about the newsroom
00:30:53.140 revolution.
00:30:54.280 And you start with a great story of a former colleague of mine that is hard to deal with,
00:31:00.480 Jake Tapper, in a fight as he's in essence calling you a liar.
00:31:06.500 And this is the new thing that the media has done.
00:31:09.100 And they become so sanctimonious that they are always looking for a moment to tell you
00:31:14.500 why you're wrong and why they're brilliant.
00:31:17.560 We've seen this in the last several days as they've been demanding a ceasefire to protect
00:31:23.840 the terrorists in Gaza who the Israelis are trying to eradicate from the face of this
00:31:30.180 earth with good reason after what they did just one month ago.
00:31:33.400 And we talked about this on verdict.
00:31:34.980 Israel, we knew, was on an artificial clock the day the terrorist attack happened before
00:31:41.020 the media, before the left, started going to the aid of Hamas and the Palestinian people
00:31:48.340 that were backing Hamas, many of them that were, and saying, okay, all right, you had
00:31:52.340 a few days now to go after these terrorists.
00:31:54.040 Now you've got to stop it.
00:31:55.500 Now it's your obligation to stop trying to protect yourself.
00:31:59.500 And this is our media now, and it goes back to this idea that they have, which is they're
00:32:05.520 better than everyone else.
00:32:06.820 They're not here to report news anymore.
00:32:08.760 They're here to go after people like you and others that they don't like and indoctrinate
00:32:13.740 a nation to believe in socialism and communism and Marxism.
00:32:17.380 Look, that is exactly right, and the media has fundamentally changed.
00:32:22.420 And so the chapter on journalism, I talk about how when I was first elected to the Senate 11
00:32:27.940 years ago, and I actually focus on CNN as really a case lesson.
00:32:32.500 11 years ago, CNN, they aspired to be journalists.
00:32:37.040 If you asked them, they'd say, we want to be journalists.
00:32:39.220 We want to present both sides.
00:32:40.460 We want to be fair and objective and balanced.
00:32:42.400 And we want to focus on facts and not our opinion.
00:32:46.160 Now, they were terrible at it.
00:32:48.160 They leaned hard left, and they couldn't help themselves.
00:32:51.200 But that was the objective.
00:32:53.000 Number one, they would articulate to you they were trying to achieve.
00:32:56.080 But number two, I think they believed in their heart they were trying to do that.
00:32:59.620 And so when I was first elected to the Senate, you may find this hard to believe, but I went
00:33:04.140 on CNN just about every week.
00:33:06.040 I went on there over and over and over again, and they would give you a chance to lay out a
00:33:10.820 conservative argument, and they'd attack you from the left, and they'd be unfair, and
00:33:13.820 they'd play gotcha questions, but they would give you a chance to present the other side.
00:33:19.460 And what happened is when Donald Trump became president, I think it fundamentally broke the
00:33:26.400 media.
00:33:26.780 Their brains shattered.
00:33:28.580 They hated him so much that today the media no longer views its vision as being journalists,
00:33:36.080 as being fair and impartial and presenting both sides.
00:33:39.200 Instead, they have embraced a vision that they are advocates, they are defenders of democracy,
00:33:45.980 and what they mean by democracy is left-wing radical policies.
00:33:50.820 And, you know, so the story I tell in the very beginning of the journalism chapter is during
00:33:59.340 the presidential race, I was out on the campaign trail.
00:34:03.160 I was actually in our campaign bus, and I was doing an interview with Jake Tapper.
00:34:06.940 And look, I'll confess, I like Jake.
00:34:08.980 I've known Jake for over 20 years.
00:34:11.100 I've known Jake since he was a cub reporter on the George W. Bush 2000 campaign, and I
00:34:17.580 was a baby staffer on it.
00:34:19.040 And so I've known him a long time.
00:34:20.820 And he was interviewing me for his Sunday show.
00:34:23.860 And we did an interview, and it was, I don't remember, probably 10 minutes or so.
00:34:28.180 And I had learned a lesson, and it's something that I do with every Sunday show, which is
00:34:33.500 that I insist that the Sunday show either be live or it be live to tape.
00:34:38.660 And the reason I learned that is I had done, just a few weeks earlier, an interview with
00:34:42.380 Bob Schieffer at CBS.
00:34:43.880 And Bob Schieffer, I hadn't insisted on that, and he'd done the interview.
00:34:48.160 And then afterwards, his show had edited it, and it basically cut out every good argument
00:34:53.640 I made, and just put this slash job where he decimated me because he excluded all my
00:35:00.260 good answers, and just edited it in a way that was really deceptive.
00:35:04.560 And I said, okay, never again.
00:35:06.560 If we do one of these, they must air what I actually say.
00:35:10.360 And I said, look, if you want to give me five minutes or six or eight or 10 or 12 or whatever,
00:35:14.620 you can pick the time, but when we film it, you air exactly what happens during that time.
00:35:19.420 So we had agreed with that with CNN.
00:35:22.040 And in the course of the interview, we were talking about the shooting at Fort Hood, and
00:35:26.900 Nadal Hassan, who was the radical Islamist who had walked through and murdered 14 innocent
00:35:33.580 souls yelling, Aluha Akbar.
00:35:36.360 And I mentioned that the Obama administration knew that Hassan was a radical jihadist.
00:35:42.780 They knew that he had been in email communication with Anwar al-Awlaki, who was the Islamist
00:35:49.400 cleric, the radical, that he'd asked al-Awlaki about the permissibility of waging jihad on
00:35:56.340 his fellow soldiers, and yet the Obama administration did nothing until he committed that act of
00:36:01.980 mass murder.
00:36:03.060 And when I said all of that, Jake immediately interrupted, and he said, that's not true.
00:36:07.380 No, that's not right.
00:36:08.780 And he said, what you're saying is fundamentally false.
00:36:11.120 That's a lie.
00:36:11.840 It's not true.
00:36:13.480 And, you know, I just kind of smiled, and I said, well, you know, Jake, as John Adams
00:36:17.560 said, facts are stubborn things.
00:36:19.860 And what I'm saying is entirely accurate.
00:36:21.860 And, you know, when you research the issue, that's exactly what you're going to find out.
00:36:25.600 So we do the interview.
00:36:27.760 Jake and his production team leaves the bus, and I don't know, five, ten minutes later,
00:36:32.000 there's a knock on the door of the bus.
00:36:34.000 And we open it, and it's Jake.
00:36:35.120 And he's very sheepish.
00:36:36.160 And he says, hey, can you come in and talk for a second?
00:36:37.780 I said, yeah, sure.
00:36:38.260 Come on in.
00:36:39.620 And he said, look, after we did the interview, he said, I went and got on the Internet, and
00:36:43.740 I researched it, and actually, you were right.
00:36:47.080 He said, I didn't know that.
00:36:48.120 I had missed.
00:36:48.840 I just had not seen the revelation that the Obama administration knew it.
00:36:54.060 It just, I couldn't believe it.
00:36:55.660 But it turns out you were right.
00:36:56.980 I was wrong.
00:36:57.600 And Jake said, listen, I'll give you a choice.
00:37:00.540 We can do it one of two ways.
00:37:02.460 He said, I agreed we would do this live to tape.
00:37:05.080 And so if you want, I will air it exactly as it happened.
00:37:09.720 And then after I air it, I will come on live, and I'll say, after the interview, I researched
00:37:16.640 it.
00:37:17.480 And it turns out I was wrong, and Cruz was right.
00:37:20.760 What he said was exactly right, and I was in error when I said he was not telling the
00:37:24.360 truth.
00:37:25.200 He said, that's option number one.
00:37:26.660 He said, option number two, which he said I'd really much prefer, is that we just edit
00:37:33.420 out that segment.
00:37:34.260 We just remove it from the interview, and we air everything else, and just not include
00:37:38.040 that segment.
00:37:39.800 And I describe in the book that, you know, I thought about it, and it was obviously in
00:37:43.680 my self-interest to pick option number one.
00:37:46.400 That, like, having CNN, having Tapper admit he was full of crap, and I was right.
00:37:51.140 That was a big political victory.
00:37:54.480 But I also expected that I would be doing a whole lot more interviews with Tapper and
00:38:01.280 with CNN, and I frankly respected how he approached it, that he came to me, and he admitted he was
00:38:06.400 wrong, and he gave me that option, I thought was an honorable way to handle it.
00:38:10.100 And so I made what I would say is a long-term play rather than a short-term play, and I said,
00:38:14.520 okay, you can go ahead and cut the segment out.
00:38:16.160 And so they did.
00:38:16.960 So the story I recount in the book, that segment never aired because CNN cut the segment out.
00:38:24.760 I focus on Tapper in particular because I think he's a smart guy, and I think he wants
00:38:30.100 to be a journalist, and I think in his heart right now, he knows that he's not.
00:38:34.720 That Trump broke Tapper.
00:38:36.540 That now CNN will have a panel of five experts there to discuss, true or not, Donald Trump
00:38:43.480 is the devil, and all five of them agree, of course he's the devil.
00:38:47.040 No, he's worse than the devil.
00:38:48.100 That's the whole debate.
00:38:49.840 And, you know, look, CNN used to be a place, if you go back to 2017, in 2017, I did three
00:38:57.560 town hall debates on CNN with Bernie Sanders.
00:39:01.320 We did one on health care and two on tax policy, and they were great debates.
00:39:06.620 I think they were among, if not the highest rated shows on CNN that whole year.
00:39:10.060 They were 90 minutes, Bernie is an unapologetic defender of socialism.
00:39:14.900 I'm an unapologetic defender of capitalism, and we had a real and substantive debate.
00:39:20.820 That CNN doesn't exist anymore, and it's bad for America, it's bad for the world that
00:39:27.120 we don't have functioning journalism.
00:39:29.100 And I describe all of this in the book, but I also describe how, because journalism, corporate
00:39:34.640 media is broken, it's part of what makes the radical Democrats so extreme, why they vote
00:39:40.300 for such ridiculous policy positions that are so out of the mainstream, because they
00:39:45.920 know they will never, ever, ever get asked about it by reporters back home.
00:39:49.860 They will never have to defend it.
00:39:51.420 And so it's radicalized the Democrat Party in Washington.
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00:41:32.900 Senator, there's another part of your book that I want to mention real quick, and it's
00:41:36.940 a trend, whether it's you talking about big tech or the schools or Marxism in Washington.
00:41:45.400 The list goes on and on, especially when you have a lot to talk in here about science and
00:41:50.060 COVID.
00:41:51.040 That chapter is probably my favorite as I was reading it today.
00:41:55.500 I was marking it up.
00:41:57.160 But there's a trend in this book, and I love this.
00:42:00.260 This may be my favorite part.
00:42:01.540 The book is you, in each chapter, in essence, ask, how do you fight back?
00:42:07.640 How to reclaim control?
00:42:09.940 How do we win?
00:42:11.000 It's not just a book of you ranting about issues, but you actually lay out how we can succeed
00:42:17.060 and win on our side of the argument.
00:42:21.100 And that's what empowers the reader to not just read a book, but to take something from
00:42:26.460 it.
00:42:26.640 And I love that.
00:42:27.520 Well, it is critically important, and there are all sorts of elements of how we fight
00:42:32.820 back and win.
00:42:33.620 One of it is transparency and sunshine.
00:42:36.960 The views of the radical left are wildly unpopular.
00:42:41.040 Look, no rational person supports abolishing the police.
00:42:45.040 That's a nutty position.
00:42:47.020 No rational person supports open borders and the chaos at our southern border.
00:42:51.160 No rational person supports medically and surgically sterilizing and castrating eight-year-old
00:42:58.040 children.
00:42:59.120 No rational person is befuddled by the question, what is a woman?
00:43:04.560 All of those are 90-10 issues, and the radical left is on the extreme minority position on
00:43:13.440 every one of them.
00:43:14.080 It's why they rely on force rather than persuasion, because their positions are out there.
00:43:20.420 And so often, shining a light is really, really potent.
00:43:25.360 And I'm going to give an example.
00:43:26.520 I'm going to give an example from verdict.
00:43:28.880 So we had a podcast several weeks ago that was entitled, Black Lives Matter is Hamas.
00:43:39.520 And we walked through how Black Lives Matter, as a statement, is a truism.
00:43:44.300 It's absolutely true.
00:43:45.360 Yes, period, the end.
00:43:46.500 However, Black Lives Matter, the organization, Black Lives Matter, Inc., is a very different
00:43:52.800 thing.
00:43:53.140 It is founded by avowed Marxists who are trained Marxists.
00:43:58.820 They're trained in fomenting communist revolutions.
00:44:01.660 That's their own self-description, not our language, their language.
00:44:04.660 They are vicious racists, and they are deeply, deeply anti-Semitic.
00:44:11.560 They hate Israel.
00:44:12.600 Indeed, one of the co-founders of Black Lives Matter has called since 1995 for the destruction
00:44:17.980 of the state of Israel.
00:44:19.000 And on our podcast, we laid out all of that evidence, and then we named names of all of
00:44:25.440 the, or a number of the giant corporations who had given millions of dollars to Black Lives
00:44:29.640 Matter, and that included Amazon and Apple and Coca-Cola, and we said, listen, do these
00:44:35.200 companies, do you support vicious racism?
00:44:39.960 Do you support vicious anti-Semitism?
00:44:41.980 Do you support demanding the destruction of the state of Israel?
00:44:46.380 Do you support these avowed Marxists because you gave money to them?
00:44:49.760 That podcast came out, I believe, October 18th.
00:44:55.260 The next day, Coca-Cola went online, and they scrubbed their website to remove every reference
00:45:05.740 to the $500,000 that they had given to Black Lives Matter, and it was a direct result of
00:45:11.060 this verdict podcast.
00:45:12.820 We put the podcast out, and almost immediately they erased it.
00:45:16.120 Now, they thought they could do it quietly.
00:45:18.200 They could just hide and evade responsibility.
00:45:20.640 I'm calling them out.
00:45:21.580 I'm calling them out, and I'm shining a light, and I'm saying, look, have you apologized to
00:45:25.420 the American people for why you were funding a viciously racist and anti-Semitic organization?
00:45:30.420 And it wasn't a secret.
00:45:31.540 They were open about it then.
00:45:33.340 You just didn't care because your woke politics mattered more to you than doing the right thing.
00:45:38.640 And that's one of the strategies that is inherent in this book, is shining the light and calling
00:45:44.540 them out, and that's how you win victories.
00:45:47.000 And chapter after chapter, I talk about winning victories, whether it's winning school board
00:45:50.960 seats back, or flipping Virginia red as parents got furious, or whether it's Elon Musk buying
00:45:57.580 Twitter.
00:45:58.060 All of these are strategies where we take these institutions back.
00:46:02.520 It's an incredible book, Senator, and congratulations on it.
00:46:07.000 It's one that I hope everybody listening will go grab.
00:46:10.720 You can go to Amazon right now.
00:46:12.200 You can order it.
00:46:13.000 It's a fabulous Christmas gift.
00:46:15.620 It is 356 pages from beginning to end.
00:46:20.080 One of the chapters that you've got to read if you get it, make sure you read the big tech chapter, and also science.
00:46:29.060 The science chapter to me was one that, as I was reading it, Senator, I know you well enough
00:46:36.200 to know when you really get passionate about something.
00:46:38.520 You were really, really passionate when writing that chapter on science, and what has happened,
00:46:45.340 and how science has just been totally corrupted, whether it's by Fauci or others that are pushing
00:46:52.320 agendas through science.
00:46:54.340 And those are two chapters I just want to mark for people.
00:46:57.320 Make sure you take a look at those as well.
00:46:59.160 So grab the book, Unwoke, How to Defeat a Cultural Marxism in America.
00:47:04.680 You can get it on Amazon.
00:47:05.800 Order it now wherever you get your books.
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