Verdict with Ted Cruz - The Nature of Evil

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:00:02.320 Guaranteed human.

00:00:04.240 It's far easier to slander one's political adversaries

00:00:07.800 and to demand that responsible citizens

00:00:10.480 forfeit their constitutional rights

00:00:12.780 than it is to examine the cultural sickness

00:00:16.880 giving birth to unspeakable acts of evil.

00:00:21.260 It's far less comfortable to ask

00:00:23.300 why despair and isolation and violent hatred

00:00:27.320 is so prevalent in America.

00:00:31.220 It requires a sick soul

00:00:33.780 to drive a truck into a crowded sidewalk,

00:00:39.000 to plan a bomb at a marathon,

00:00:42.520 or to fly a plane into a building.

00:00:46.360 It requires a sick soul

00:00:49.280 to open fire in a movie theater

00:00:51.720 or in a church or in a school.

00:00:55.780 A speeding automobile in the hands of a madman

00:01:00.060 is deadly,

00:01:02.760 as is a jet airplane.

00:01:05.820 Tragedies like the events of this week

00:01:08.180 are a mirror,

00:01:11.080 forcing us to ask hard questions,

00:01:13.240 demanding that we see where our culture

00:01:16.240 is failing.

00:01:18.180 Looking at broken families,

00:01:23.180 absent fathers,

00:01:24.760 declining church attendance,

00:01:26.560 social media bullying,

00:01:29.240 violent online content,

00:01:31.320 desensitizing the act of murder in video games,

00:01:35.520 chronic isolation,

00:01:36.800 prescription drug and opioid abuse,

00:01:45.180 and their collective effects

00:01:46.980 on the psyche of young Americans.

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00:05:37.900 Welcome to Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:05:39.660 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:05:42.040 We've just had the NRA convention.

00:05:44.980 This was obviously

00:05:46.680 very controversial,

00:05:47.740 major calls from the left

00:05:49.880 to regulate guns

00:05:51.920 and ban all sorts of guns.

00:05:53.660 This after the shooting

00:05:54.880 in Uvalde.

00:05:56.620 I have to point out

00:05:57.600 a lot of people dropped out

00:05:59.280 of the NRA convention.

00:06:01.520 Governor Abbott dropped out.

00:06:03.320 Senator Cornyn dropped out.

00:06:05.140 Congressman Dan Crenshaw

00:06:06.080 dropped out.

00:06:07.220 Dan Patrick, I think,

00:06:08.140 dropped out.

00:06:08.700 The lieutenant governor

00:06:09.340 of Texas.

00:06:10.360 A lot of people dropped out.

00:06:12.000 Senator, you did not.

00:06:13.300 You showed up.

00:06:14.560 You gave a robust defense

00:06:17.240 of the Second Amendment.

00:06:18.320 I'm not saying it

00:06:18.940 to flatter you

00:06:19.600 and you know that

00:06:20.300 I hate to compliment you.

00:06:21.600 You gave what I thought

00:06:22.880 was a really, really powerful

00:06:24.420 and important speech.

00:06:25.340 I thought it was important

00:06:26.900 to be there.

00:06:27.740 I was disappointed

00:06:28.900 to see so many others

00:06:30.660 make the decision

00:06:31.360 not to be there.

00:06:33.700 In part because

00:06:35.340 the media narrative

00:06:37.420 that comes out

00:06:38.460 of horrific crimes,

00:06:41.000 horrific mass murders,

00:06:43.280 within seconds,

00:06:44.660 the media immediately

00:06:45.740 wants to politicize them

00:06:47.180 and use them

00:06:48.200 to advance their

00:06:49.460 longstanding political agenda

00:06:50.860 that they had

00:06:51.600 moments before

00:06:53.300 the murder occurred.

00:06:54.980 And in this instance,

00:06:56.440 the media

00:06:56.860 and the Democrats,

00:06:57.540 they want to label

00:06:58.840 anyone who believes

00:07:00.700 in the Second Amendment,

00:07:01.780 anyone who defends

00:07:02.560 the Second Amendment

00:07:03.460 as responsible

00:07:05.480 for this horrific crime.

00:07:07.540 And the NRA

00:07:08.220 in particular

00:07:08.960 is probably

00:07:09.920 their favorite boogeyman.

00:07:11.720 Donald Trump spoke as well.

00:07:13.000 He and I spoke

00:07:13.580 back to back.

00:07:14.280 And I chatted

00:07:16.080 with Trump

00:07:16.640 right before

00:07:18.080 he went on stage

00:07:19.020 and thanked him

00:07:19.900 for coming.

00:07:20.520 And, you know,

00:07:21.040 I said, look,

00:07:21.720 it was important

00:07:23.440 that you came.

00:07:24.360 It was important

00:07:25.020 that you didn't back out.

00:07:26.240 Thank you for being here.

00:07:27.480 And he, of course,

00:07:29.800 agreed and he had,

00:07:31.180 let me just say,

00:07:32.260 some choice words

00:07:33.380 for some of the folks

00:07:35.240 who chose not to be there.

00:07:37.300 You know,

00:07:37.720 they were with classic

00:07:39.320 Trump understatement.

00:07:42.340 He expressed his views

00:07:44.020 on that topic.

00:07:45.120 Well, there's an irony here,

00:07:46.160 which is why

00:07:46.680 I really appreciated

00:07:48.260 your speech.

00:07:49.720 I've got to cut it out

00:07:50.680 with the compliments for you.

00:07:51.780 You know,

00:07:51.940 this is the last episode

00:07:52.900 and we'll get back

00:07:53.680 to criticism next time.

00:07:54.620 But I really appreciated it

00:07:56.360 because when

00:07:57.900 whenever anyone

00:07:59.400 brings up

00:08:00.280 cultural factors,

00:08:02.180 something other than guns

00:08:03.520 in any of these tragedies,

00:08:05.240 what the left says is,

00:08:07.360 well, you're just evading

00:08:08.400 the question.

00:08:09.000 You're just trying to distract

00:08:10.020 from the real issue,

00:08:11.060 which is guns.

00:08:11.680 We've gone through

00:08:12.260 all of these statistics.

00:08:13.520 I don't see any reason

00:08:14.320 to rehash them now.

00:08:16.300 So, all right,

00:08:17.320 we've addressed

00:08:17.880 the gun part.

00:08:19.180 Why are you not allowing us

00:08:20.780 to address

00:08:21.320 the fatherlessness part?

00:08:23.000 Why are you not allowing us

00:08:24.140 to address

00:08:24.520 the social isolation?

00:08:25.740 Why are you not allowing us

00:08:27.200 to address

00:08:27.580 the decline in religion

00:08:29.040 and faith

00:08:29.540 and going to church?

00:08:30.220 Why is that the part

00:08:32.480 that we're not allowed

00:08:33.340 to address?

00:08:33.960 It seems to me

00:08:34.800 that that's far more

00:08:35.860 the common thread here

00:08:36.880 even than the guns.

00:08:38.720 You know,

00:08:38.940 I will say the speech

00:08:40.240 that I gave

00:08:41.660 was very different

00:08:42.420 from the speech

00:08:42.960 I'd planned to give.

00:08:44.420 I've spoken at a lot

00:08:45.540 of NRA conventions.

00:08:47.300 I know how to give

00:08:48.880 a, you know,

00:08:50.540 barn burner

00:08:51.140 of a speech.

00:08:51.860 And so I decided

00:08:53.500 instead

00:08:53.980 to give

00:08:55.820 what I hope

00:08:56.480 was a thoughtful,

00:08:59.340 serious speech

00:09:00.380 on

00:09:01.520 the nature of evil.

00:09:03.760 That was the entire

00:09:05.640 topic of my speech.

00:09:06.840 Both the nature of evil,

00:09:08.060 why it is

00:09:08.840 that we have

00:09:10.480 mass murderers,

00:09:11.380 we have people

00:09:12.200 who commit horrific crimes,

00:09:13.600 whether it's shooting

00:09:14.300 a school

00:09:15.140 or shooting a church

00:09:16.260 or shooting a movie theater,

00:09:18.200 or you have people

00:09:19.200 that, you know,

00:09:21.120 commit crimes

00:09:22.080 driving a truck

00:09:23.220 into a Christmas parade,

00:09:24.740 murdering six people,

00:09:27.140 or setting off a bomb

00:09:28.980 at the Boston Marathon.

00:09:30.340 I mean,

00:09:30.520 we are seeing

00:09:31.580 sick,

00:09:33.120 homicidal people.

00:09:35.300 Many of the times

00:09:36.640 they are young,

00:09:37.940 disaffected men

00:09:39.140 who are alienated,

00:09:41.420 who are isolated,

00:09:42.740 who are angry.

00:09:44.660 The per capita rate

00:09:46.320 of gun ownership

00:09:47.240 in 1972

00:09:49.600 was 43%

00:09:52.160 in America.

00:09:53.600 The per capita rate

00:09:55.120 of gun ownership

00:09:55.920 in 2021,

00:09:57.280 49 years later,

00:09:58.800 is 42%.

00:10:01.520 It's identical.

00:10:03.940 The same percentage

00:10:05.140 of Americans

00:10:05.920 own firearms today

00:10:07.520 as did 50 years ago.

00:10:09.660 So that hasn't changed.

00:10:11.440 It's not like in 1970

00:10:13.080 people didn't have firearms.

00:10:14.860 You had the exact

00:10:15.640 same percentage

00:10:16.400 of Americans

00:10:17.180 owning firearms.

00:10:18.940 What's changed

00:10:19.760 is the culture,

00:10:23.240 the loss of faith,

00:10:25.020 the loss of family.

00:10:26.720 And by the way,

00:10:27.400 the left,

00:10:27.900 you know,

00:10:28.040 when I talked about,

00:10:28.980 you know,

00:10:29.280 homes without fathers

00:10:30.360 in them,

00:10:30.880 and so many

00:10:31.860 of these mass murders

00:10:32.820 are raised

00:10:33.460 with absent fathers,

00:10:34.680 often criminal fathers

00:10:35.680 or abusive fathers,

00:10:36.820 but absent fathers.

00:10:38.440 Virtually all of them.

00:10:39.500 Virtually every single

00:10:40.700 one of these shootings

00:10:41.340 involves a father

00:10:41.980 outside the home.

00:10:42.580 You know,

00:10:43.360 it was interesting

00:10:44.000 seeing some of the reactions

00:10:45.200 of the left

00:10:45.720 because it's almost

00:10:46.220 pathological

00:10:47.180 where they come back

00:10:48.040 and attack me

00:10:48.700 and said,

00:10:49.240 well,

00:10:49.420 Cruz is attacking

00:10:50.380 single moms.

00:10:51.460 No,

00:10:51.640 I'm not.

00:10:52.960 I'm saying that kids

00:10:54.080 do better with dads.

00:10:55.800 Look,

00:10:56.080 I've got a family

00:10:56.760 that has a lot

00:10:57.360 of single moms in them.

00:10:58.460 Single moms are heroic

00:10:59.820 and extraordinary people.

00:11:02.720 I just wish

00:11:03.380 there didn't have to be

00:11:04.480 so many single moms.

00:11:05.900 I wish moms had the help

00:11:07.580 of a father

00:11:09.740 who was a husband

00:11:10.680 and a loving helpmate

00:11:13.320 in raising children

00:11:16.060 that are loved

00:11:17.840 and appreciated

00:11:19.040 and valued

00:11:20.040 and not psychopathic monsters.

00:11:22.940 I always thought

00:11:23.960 the gun control arguments

00:11:25.380 were incoherent

00:11:26.320 from the same people

00:11:27.380 who tell us

00:11:27.920 that the cops are racist

00:11:29.120 and they go around

00:11:30.040 plucking off people,

00:11:31.240 innocent people

00:11:31.900 because of their skin color.

00:11:33.060 The cops are racist.

00:11:33.980 The cops are terrible.

00:11:34.780 That's why they should

00:11:35.300 have all the guns.

00:11:35.980 That never made a lot of sense.

00:11:37.360 But now in the wake

00:11:38.200 of the shooting in Texas,

00:11:39.540 you're hearing many people

00:11:41.240 say that the police response

00:11:42.460 was incompetent,

00:11:43.420 that the police response

00:11:44.440 was cowardly.

00:11:45.580 Again,

00:11:45.880 I'm sure there will be

00:11:46.460 an investigation

00:11:47.000 to go through

00:11:47.740 what actually happened there.

00:11:49.000 But if that is the case,

00:11:50.320 you're telling me

00:11:51.220 that we can't rely

00:11:53.160 on the cops

00:11:53.680 to protect ourselves.

00:11:54.680 So isn't that

00:11:55.560 an even more robust defense

00:11:58.120 of self-defense,

00:11:59.760 of the Second Amendment,

00:12:00.900 of our right to keep

00:12:01.820 and bear arms in America?

00:12:03.320 I'm just really glad

00:12:04.500 that you stood up

00:12:05.800 and you didn't let them

00:12:06.380 bully you

00:12:06.800 and you didn't cancel the speech

00:12:08.620 because I think it's a message

00:12:09.820 that people really needed to hear.

00:12:11.280 Michael,

00:12:11.700 the point you're making there

00:12:12.880 also is an important one,

00:12:15.440 which is if you look

00:12:16.780 in the last couple of years,

00:12:18.160 we've seen gun ownership

00:12:19.400 going up.

00:12:20.860 And one of the major causes

00:12:22.460 of that was in 2020,

00:12:24.100 the Antifa

00:12:24.720 and Black Lives Matter

00:12:25.860 riots all across the country

00:12:28.180 where you had

00:12:29.220 Democratic politicians

00:12:30.440 that refused to enforce the law,

00:12:32.200 that ordered the police

00:12:33.100 to stand down,

00:12:34.080 that wouldn't protect

00:12:34.980 people's homes,

00:12:35.760 that wouldn't protect

00:12:36.480 people's businesses,

00:12:37.640 that wouldn't stop looters,

00:12:39.380 that wouldn't stop

00:12:40.240 firebombs from being thrown,

00:12:42.560 that allowed lawless rioters

00:12:45.980 to declare so-called

00:12:47.460 autonomous zones,

00:12:49.380 the Chaz and the Chad,

00:12:51.140 for weeks on end.

00:12:56.060 When you have

00:12:57.180 Democrat politicians

00:12:58.360 who say,

00:12:59.380 we won't let the police

00:13:00.740 protect you,

00:13:02.720 it's not surprising

00:13:03.980 that people make the decision,

00:13:05.400 well, heck,

00:13:05.820 I'm going to protect myself

00:13:07.520 if there's going to be

00:13:08.580 a mob in the street

00:13:10.480 with violence

00:13:11.480 as their objective,

00:13:14.900 especially if the cops

00:13:16.540 aren't there to protect me,

00:13:18.400 that's when I definitely

00:13:19.680 need to keep my

00:13:21.140 my family safe,

00:13:22.420 and all the more irony

00:13:23.900 that these same politicians

00:13:26.180 who were singing

00:13:29.240 the praises

00:13:30.120 of violent rioters

00:13:32.280 and people committing assaults

00:13:33.840 and firebombings

00:13:34.840 and even murders,

00:13:37.500 you know,

00:13:37.940 these Democrat politicians,

00:13:39.460 Kamala Harris,

00:13:40.340 raised money

00:13:41.260 to bail these violent rioters

00:13:43.140 out of jail,

00:13:43.960 and now they're suddenly saying

00:13:46.040 how morally righteous they are

00:13:47.500 because they're opposed to crime.

00:13:48.700 Well,

00:13:49.560 you don't get to have it

00:13:51.520 both ways.

00:13:52.200 You don't get to celebrate

00:13:53.180 violent criminals

00:13:54.020 and then say,

00:13:54.680 oh, by the way,

00:13:55.580 you guys can't defend yourself

00:13:57.780 when those violent criminals

00:13:58.960 commit horrific acts

00:14:00.460 that,

00:14:00.840 unfortunately,

00:14:03.220 their relentless

00:14:04.960 anti-police rhetoric

00:14:06.400 helped fuel and cause.

00:14:08.900 Speaking of corruption

00:14:10.180 in the criminal justice system,

00:14:11.680 I do have to get your take

00:14:12.980 on something

00:14:13.400 on a completely separate topic

00:14:14.940 that just came out today,

00:14:16.760 though,

00:14:16.920 which is the case

00:14:18.260 of Michael Sussman,

00:14:19.760 this Clinton lawyer

00:14:21.200 who lied to the FBI

00:14:23.640 who planted the whole Russia hoax

00:14:26.000 apparently at the direction

00:14:27.180 of Hillary Clinton.

00:14:28.660 We saw the evidence.

00:14:30.140 We saw the correspondence.

00:14:33.080 And yet today,

00:14:34.040 the judge let the guy off the hook.

00:14:36.200 I should clarify, too,

00:14:37.160 it wasn't just the judge

00:14:38.200 that let him off the hook.

00:14:39.020 It was the jury,

00:14:40.040 apparently.

00:14:40.880 So it's not all the judge's fault.

00:14:42.520 Well, and it's,

00:14:44.640 you know,

00:14:44.840 the facts of it,

00:14:45.840 this lawyer worked

00:14:47.620 for Hillary Clinton's

00:14:48.540 campaigns law firm

00:14:49.680 and he reached out

00:14:50.940 to the FBI

00:14:51.600 and said,

00:14:52.480 hey,

00:14:53.300 I've got information

00:14:54.460 that Trump is involved

00:14:57.080 with the Alpha Bank

00:14:58.220 in Russia

00:14:58.720 and the Trump campaign

00:14:59.880 is colluding with Russia.

00:15:03.020 And he goes out of his way

00:15:04.700 to say,

00:15:05.080 I'm not doing this

00:15:05.840 on behalf of any client.

00:15:07.020 I'm not working for anyone.

00:15:09.600 I'm just being a good citizen.

00:15:10.900 I'm just a good Samaritan.

00:15:12.240 I love America.

00:15:13.380 Rah, rah, rah.

00:15:15.100 So he reaches out

00:15:16.400 to the top brass

00:15:17.300 at the FBI

00:15:17.980 under Obama

00:15:18.780 and meets with them

00:15:20.220 and affirmatively represents him.

00:15:22.920 Now, what he told them

00:15:23.700 was nonsense

00:15:24.480 and it was the beginning

00:15:25.360 of the whole Russia hoax

00:15:26.660 and all of that nonsense.

00:15:29.240 But his statement,

00:15:30.700 I'm not doing it

00:15:31.520 on behalf of any client,

00:15:33.680 was a flat-out lie.

00:15:35.220 He was doing it

00:15:36.340 on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign

00:15:37.980 and the DNC.

00:15:38.880 And of course,

00:15:40.300 being a lawyer,

00:15:41.780 he billed for it.

00:15:44.100 So he literally sent

00:15:45.480 the Hillary Clinton campaign

00:15:47.020 a bill

00:15:47.900 charging his time

00:15:50.020 for the time

00:15:50.820 meeting with the FBI

00:15:52.040 to tell them

00:15:54.240 about the Russia hoax

00:15:55.280 when he told the FBI

00:15:56.460 he wasn't doing it

00:15:57.340 on behalf of a client.

00:15:58.340 Somehow the client,

00:15:59.120 he certainly was going

00:15:59.760 to get paid for it

00:16:00.660 because he is a lawyer

00:16:01.780 after all.

00:16:02.280 If you're going

00:16:03.020 to be implicated

00:16:03.720 in a crime,

00:16:05.120 don't you think

00:16:05.820 it's worth taking

00:16:06.680 that, you know,

00:16:07.660 18 minutes on the arm?

00:16:09.120 Do you really need

00:16:09.780 to charge

00:16:10.240 in the six-minute increments

00:16:11.360 for when you're

00:16:12.120 committing a crime?

00:16:13.020 So I will confess, Michael,

00:16:14.440 when I was practicing law

00:16:15.780 and one of the things

00:16:16.900 I do not miss

00:16:17.840 about private practice

00:16:19.580 is having to think

00:16:20.540 of my day

00:16:21.040 in six-minute increments,

00:16:22.500 I would literally

00:16:24.020 take a legal brief

00:16:25.820 or a case with me

00:16:27.040 when I went

00:16:28.220 to the restroom

00:16:28.920 because I'd stand

00:16:29.760 at the urinal

00:16:30.360 and be reading

00:16:31.060 because I wanted

00:16:31.600 to bill for the time

00:16:32.580 and it is,

00:16:34.360 I understand

00:16:35.820 that sentiment.

00:16:37.700 And by the way,

00:16:38.620 there'd be three

00:16:39.280 other lawyers

00:16:40.140 standing there

00:16:40.760 holding a brief

00:16:41.440 reading at the urinal too

00:16:42.820 because none of us

00:16:44.060 wanted to miss

00:16:44.740 billing the time.

00:16:46.020 Two things

00:16:46.580 on the Sussman case.

00:16:47.720 Number one,

00:16:48.520 the judge severely

00:16:50.500 limited what the prosecutors

00:16:52.140 could introduce

00:16:52.880 into evidence.

00:16:54.340 So they severely

00:16:55.440 limited the broader

00:16:57.160 context of what

00:16:58.380 the Clinton campaign

00:16:59.360 was doing,

00:17:00.180 pushing the Russia

00:17:00.900 hoax and everything

00:17:02.080 they were doing

00:17:02.580 in the press,

00:17:03.220 that this was part

00:17:04.160 of a long,

00:17:05.060 concerted scheme.

00:17:07.240 The judge kept

00:17:08.020 almost all of that out

00:17:09.100 and it was a very

00:17:10.480 circumscribed,

00:17:11.800 narrow,

00:17:12.400 factual,

00:17:13.480 you said X,

00:17:14.600 was X true,

00:17:15.780 is how the prosecutor

00:17:17.280 had to present it

00:17:17.980 to the jury.

00:17:20.880 I think there are

00:17:21.880 real questions

00:17:22.760 that should be asked

00:17:23.840 why the judge

00:17:24.540 was keeping

00:17:24.960 all that context out.

00:17:26.160 What it did

00:17:26.820 is it protected

00:17:28.300 Hillary Clinton

00:17:28.900 like crazy.

00:17:29.640 Like all of the judges'

00:17:30.700 orders basically

00:17:31.940 kept the Hillary campaign

00:17:33.700 directly from being

00:17:34.920 implicated and just

00:17:36.400 had one rogue lawyer,

00:17:37.700 well, you're going

00:17:38.180 to be in trouble.

00:17:39.540 But then the jury,

00:17:41.100 look, the jury is from

00:17:42.080 the District of Columbia.

00:17:43.120 District of Columbia

00:17:44.060 votes, you know,

00:17:45.160 90% plus Democrat.

00:17:46.740 I have not studied

00:17:51.020 all of the factual

00:17:53.000 evidence introduced

00:17:53.940 in trial,

00:17:54.660 but it certainly

00:17:55.440 raises an eyebrow

00:17:56.540 that this is a jury

00:17:58.720 that's in all likelihood

00:18:02.700 voted for Hillary Clinton

00:18:05.100 and hates Donald Trump.

00:18:06.360 And we have seen

00:18:07.700 in cases that are brought

00:18:09.080 in D.C.,

00:18:10.600 we've seen them

00:18:11.220 be political the other way,

00:18:12.500 that they're quite happy

00:18:13.300 to throw the book

00:18:14.700 at someone if they disagree

00:18:15.780 with the politics of it.

00:18:17.000 It certainly raises

00:18:17.960 a real question

00:18:19.000 in this case

00:18:20.980 whether at least

00:18:21.960 some members of the jury

00:18:22.900 didn't happen to just

00:18:24.000 like the politics

00:18:26.240 of the guy

00:18:27.060 who was violating the law.

00:18:29.700 It just makes people think

00:18:31.240 that there are

00:18:32.420 two separate

00:18:33.540 justice systems,

00:18:34.640 you know,

00:18:35.080 that we hear ad nauseum

00:18:36.820 about a guy

00:18:37.520 who cracks a Coors Light

00:18:38.700 in the Capitol Rotunda.

00:18:40.200 He's the worst terrorist,

00:18:41.460 insurrectionist

00:18:42.080 in the history

00:18:42.520 of our country,

00:18:43.380 throw him in isolated,

00:18:45.400 an isolated cell

00:18:46.540 and throw away the key.

00:18:47.720 Meanwhile,

00:18:48.220 you've got a guy

00:18:49.140 who at the direction

00:18:50.900 of the Democrat

00:18:52.060 presidential nominee

00:18:53.020 is lying to the FBI

00:18:55.020 about a matter

00:18:56.200 of what could potentially

00:18:57.460 be national security

00:18:58.580 and then undermining,

00:19:00.200 trying to rig

00:19:00.660 a presidential election,

00:19:01.980 undermining the actual presidency

00:19:03.420 and the guy gets off the hook

00:19:04.920 and the campaign

00:19:05.540 gets off the hook

00:19:06.300 and you think

00:19:06.920 where's the justice?

00:19:08.180 Well,

00:19:08.420 and I'll tell you

00:19:09.180 what is really worrisome

00:19:10.880 is I'm concerned

00:19:12.440 that Merrick Garland,

00:19:13.880 the attorney general,

00:19:15.360 is going to use

00:19:16.160 this verdict

00:19:16.760 as an excuse

00:19:17.560 to fire John Durham.

00:19:19.200 Like,

00:19:19.500 they want to end

00:19:20.340 this investigation.

00:19:22.060 It's the one

00:19:23.120 sort of lingering,

00:19:24.340 they want to sweep

00:19:25.540 under the rug

00:19:26.420 what is coming.

00:19:29.000 You know,

00:19:29.240 my next book

00:19:30.020 that's coming out

00:19:30.660 in September

00:19:31.200 is called

00:19:32.000 Justice Corrupted,

00:19:33.760 how the left

00:19:35.220 politicized

00:19:36.900 our legal system

00:19:37.700 and then it talks

00:19:38.720 at great length

00:19:39.520 about how

00:19:40.480 Barack Obama

00:19:41.940 and now Joe Biden

00:19:42.860 are using the legal system

00:19:44.200 to target their political enemies.

00:19:45.700 It talks about

00:19:46.180 what you just said,

00:19:47.420 the differential treatment

00:19:48.700 used to

00:19:50.080 January 6th defendants

00:19:51.800 compared to

00:19:52.940 the violent rioters

00:19:54.280 in Antifa

00:19:54.860 and Black Lives Matter riots

00:19:57.200 and I've been pressing

00:19:58.600 this Justice Department

00:19:59.780 for over a year on that

00:20:01.540 and they just stonewall,

00:20:02.440 they refuse to answer questions,

00:20:03.860 they refuse

00:20:04.420 even the barest oversight

00:20:07.000 and you're right,

00:20:09.380 it does suggest

00:20:10.360 that there is

00:20:12.380 a disparate,

00:20:13.960 partisan,

00:20:15.420 uneven enforcement

00:20:16.540 of justice,

00:20:17.400 number one,

00:20:18.220 but number two,

00:20:19.560 I'm very concerned

00:20:20.800 that Garland

00:20:23.540 will use this

00:20:24.360 as an excuse

00:20:25.220 to say,

00:20:25.880 okay,

00:20:26.260 Durham's done

00:20:26.820 and that would be terrible

00:20:28.880 if that happens

00:20:29.640 but I think

00:20:31.740 that is a very real possibility

00:20:33.840 because there is no doubt

00:20:35.540 the Biden White House

00:20:36.920 wants the Durham investigation

00:20:38.420 over yesterday.

00:20:41.000 I suppose my fear then though

00:20:42.640 is let's say Durham

00:20:44.180 gets to keep pursuing

00:20:45.500 the investigation,

00:20:47.040 do we have any hope

00:20:48.040 for justice?

00:20:48.920 I mean,

00:20:49.160 we thought Durham

00:20:50.200 had this guy,

00:20:51.060 we thought Durham

00:20:51.700 had the Clinton campaign

00:20:53.440 and so if he couldn't

00:20:54.680 get Sussman,

00:20:55.900 is there any hope

00:20:57.220 that we're ever

00:20:57.760 going to see any justice

00:20:59.000 even if Durham

00:20:59.900 does get to keep his job?

00:21:01.660 Well,

00:21:01.980 I don't know,

00:21:02.800 I think there is

00:21:04.100 power to sunlight

00:21:07.200 and transparency

00:21:08.340 and exposing the crimes.

00:21:11.460 You know,

00:21:11.620 if you think about

00:21:12.700 Crossfire Hurricane

00:21:13.820 and the absolute

00:21:15.780 illegal abuses

00:21:16.800 of power

00:21:17.400 carried out

00:21:18.040 by the Obama

00:21:18.700 Justice Department,

00:21:20.540 they never thought

00:21:21.260 they'd get caught.

00:21:22.440 They thought Hillary

00:21:23.460 would win

00:21:24.060 in which case

00:21:24.700 it would all be buried

00:21:25.620 and nothing would come

00:21:26.660 to light.

00:21:27.840 It's only the accident

00:21:29.180 from their perspective

00:21:31.180 that their candidate

00:21:32.620 who they were trying

00:21:33.340 to do everything

00:21:33.820 they could

00:21:34.480 to ensure she won

00:21:36.120 lost,

00:21:37.320 that you suddenly

00:21:38.300 had the mechanism

00:21:40.740 in place

00:21:41.340 to provide at least

00:21:42.220 some modicum

00:21:43.160 of sunlight.

00:21:44.300 Well,

00:21:44.960 there shockingly

00:21:45.820 is a little bit

00:21:46.760 of justice

00:21:47.180 coming out

00:21:47.660 of a liberal

00:21:48.080 institution

00:21:48.780 in America.

00:21:49.980 I wanted to get

00:21:50.420 your thoughts on it.

00:21:51.660 Have you seen

00:21:52.140 Top Gun yet?

00:21:53.120 I have.

00:21:53.600 I saw it yesterday.

00:21:54.640 It is awesome.

00:21:56.020 It is spectacular.

00:21:58.100 Did you see

00:21:58.520 the back of the jacket?

00:21:59.300 They put Taiwan back.

00:22:01.180 They put Taiwan back.

00:22:02.300 They put Japan back.

00:22:03.340 And this is fantastic.

00:22:04.720 All right,

00:22:04.860 so folks

00:22:05.400 who don't know

00:22:06.720 the backstory of this,

00:22:08.680 when the Top Gun sequel

00:22:10.880 was being made,

00:22:12.520 they edited

00:22:13.280 the back of Maverick's jacket.

00:22:15.000 And the back of Maverick's jacket

00:22:16.240 had the Taiwanese flag

00:22:17.680 and the Japanese flag.

00:22:18.980 And they erased it.

00:22:19.980 They took them out.

00:22:21.120 And so in the trailer

00:22:22.020 that came out,

00:22:22.880 oh, I don't know,

00:22:23.260 a year ago,

00:22:24.640 the two flags were gone.

00:22:26.020 And it was obvious

00:22:27.140 why they did so,

00:22:28.280 which is that they were worried

00:22:29.620 about the Chinese censors.

00:22:30.920 And the Chinese censors

00:22:32.000 don't refuse to acknowledge

00:22:34.100 that Taiwan exists.

00:22:36.120 And so Hollywood

00:22:37.040 was trying to sell

00:22:38.260 the movie in China.

00:22:39.400 It's a big movie market.

00:22:41.200 I actually introduced

00:22:42.600 legislation

00:22:43.320 to address

00:22:45.480 Chinese censorship

00:22:47.500 of American movies.

00:22:48.680 And it's legislation

00:22:49.520 that's called

00:22:49.980 the Script Act.

00:22:50.720 And what the Script Act

00:22:52.700 says is

00:22:54.360 that

00:22:55.940 so a lot of movies

00:22:57.900 and Top Gun's

00:22:58.500 a great example,

00:22:59.300 a lot of movies

00:23:00.020 use

00:23:01.020 U.S. government assets.

00:23:02.680 So Top Gun

00:23:03.300 used F-18s.

00:23:04.840 It used aircraft carriers.

00:23:05.920 It used

00:23:06.440 billions of dollars

00:23:08.660 of federal government assets

00:23:10.040 to make the movie.

00:23:12.120 And that happens a lot.

00:23:13.240 Anytime you're using

00:23:14.120 military equipment,

00:23:15.000 anytime you're

00:23:15.520 at the Border Patrol,

00:23:16.420 there are lots of times

00:23:17.320 where you're using

00:23:18.620 government assets

00:23:19.460 to make a movie.

00:23:20.740 And what the Script Act

00:23:21.980 says is that

00:23:22.840 no movie maker

00:23:23.640 could use

00:23:24.260 federal government assets

00:23:25.520 if they allow

00:23:27.600 the Chinese communist

00:23:28.660 government

00:23:29.180 to censor their movie.

00:23:30.820 So it doesn't

00:23:31.860 try to prevent

00:23:32.780 if you want to let

00:23:33.480 the Chinese censor you,

00:23:34.520 you can.

00:23:35.900 But the federal government

00:23:36.900 is not going to

00:23:37.520 subsidize your efforts

00:23:38.740 to produce

00:23:40.080 Chinese censored movies

00:23:42.480 by allowing you

00:23:44.560 access to

00:23:45.660 federal government assets.

00:23:47.620 I stood on

00:23:48.580 the Senate floor

00:23:49.320 and I lit into Hollywood

00:23:50.800 over exactly this issue.

00:23:52.640 Top Gun

00:23:53.260 censoring the jacket

00:23:55.140 on the back

00:23:55.860 of Maverick's jacket.

00:23:58.500 I said,

00:23:58.880 look,

00:23:59.180 you know,

00:23:59.420 now Maverick

00:24:00.400 is afraid

00:24:01.540 of the Chinese communists.

00:24:02.820 What the hell

00:24:03.300 have we come to?

00:24:05.060 And I got to say

00:24:06.140 it was beautiful yesterday

00:24:07.600 watching the movie.

00:24:08.560 He pulls on the jacket

00:24:09.800 and there they were,

00:24:10.720 the Taiwanese flag

00:24:11.780 and the Japanese flag.

00:24:13.600 I don't ever say this,

00:24:15.000 but Paramount Pictures

00:24:16.780 did the right thing.

00:24:18.940 I don't ever praise

00:24:19.760 Hollywood,

00:24:21.040 but they grew

00:24:23.080 a backbone

00:24:23.660 and they stood up

00:24:24.880 to the Chinese

00:24:25.580 communists

00:24:26.340 and amen,

00:24:27.400 hallelujah,

00:24:28.660 Top Gun,

00:24:29.400 Kill the Bad Guys,

00:24:30.640 awesome movie.

00:24:31.940 Well,

00:24:32.220 it might have been

00:24:32.680 a little bit of stick

00:24:34.200 as well as a little bit

00:24:35.220 of carrot.

00:24:35.840 You know,

00:24:36.080 if you're proposing

00:24:36.740 legislation that says

00:24:38.040 we're going to make it

00:24:38.940 much harder for you

00:24:39.780 to make these movies

00:24:40.620 if you throw us

00:24:41.760 and our allies

00:24:42.260 under the bus,

00:24:43.100 I don't want to sound

00:24:44.340 cynical here or jaded.

00:24:46.400 Maybe that had something

00:24:47.400 to do with the decision.

00:24:48.680 By the way,

00:24:49.140 do you know how they do

00:24:49.820 the aerial scenes

00:24:50.640 in Top Gun?

00:24:51.560 So I watched

00:24:52.580 a couple of days ago

00:24:53.520 a thing on YouTube

00:24:54.260 where they were describing it.

00:24:55.340 So they're in actual F-18s

00:24:57.220 and essentially

00:24:58.760 when they're in the aerial seats,

00:25:00.480 the actors are in

00:25:01.740 the second seat.

00:25:03.060 So the front,

00:25:03.660 you know,

00:25:03.800 there are two seats

00:25:04.400 in an F-18.

00:25:05.220 The front seat

00:25:05.840 is the pilot

00:25:06.440 and is the actual

00:25:07.700 presumably Navy pilot

00:25:09.280 who's flying the jet

00:25:11.460 and doing all the maneuvers

00:25:12.560 and in the second seat

00:25:13.660 is the actor

00:25:14.420 who's meant to be the pilot

00:25:15.560 but all of the like

00:25:17.060 face being smushed back,

00:25:18.580 those are real G-forces.

00:25:19.860 I mean,

00:25:20.100 they're like,

00:25:21.180 they're going through

00:25:22.680 all of that

00:25:24.900 and what's fake

00:25:25.900 is when they're moving

00:25:26.620 the stick up and down

00:25:27.580 and the controls,

00:25:29.020 they don't actually

00:25:29.700 have the controls

00:25:30.460 it's the real pilot

00:25:31.380 doing it

00:25:32.020 but it is real

00:25:32.860 that they're in the F-18

00:25:33.880 and the footage

00:25:35.460 is actual fighter jets

00:25:37.400 flying through the air

00:25:38.340 and it's really cool.

00:25:40.120 I don't doubt anything

00:25:41.540 that Tom Cruise

00:25:42.360 does in movies.

00:25:43.160 I'm expecting him

00:25:43.860 to walk on Mars

00:25:44.820 in the next Top Gun.

00:25:46.540 So that'll be something

00:25:47.140 to look forward to.

00:25:48.060 Senator,

00:25:48.520 before I let you go,

00:25:49.620 I do have to get to

00:25:51.060 speaking of Hollywood,

00:25:52.820 some criticism

00:25:53.540 that has come out

00:25:54.400 from you.

00:25:55.540 Verdict has been

00:25:56.340 in the news

00:25:56.880 everywhere.

00:25:58.160 I get alerts

00:25:58.820 for this show.

00:25:59.660 The alerts

00:26:00.140 have been blowing up.

00:26:01.180 You got in big,

00:26:02.580 big trouble, sir,

00:26:04.480 because you made

00:26:05.740 the audacious claim

00:26:07.300 that you like hot women.

00:26:10.700 You made the claim

00:26:11.560 that some women

00:26:12.080 are beautiful.

00:26:12.600 You didn't understand

00:26:13.400 how the guy from SNL

00:26:15.000 could pick up

00:26:15.560 the hot chicks.

00:26:16.760 So amid all

00:26:18.440 of the barrage

00:26:19.200 of criticism

00:26:19.760 from the liberal media here,

00:26:20.940 do you still stand

00:26:21.920 by that outrageous statement?

00:26:25.100 Beautiful women

00:26:25.960 are awesome.

00:26:27.780 I will say

00:26:28.860 I was amused

00:26:29.700 to see Verdict

00:26:30.680 became the subject

00:26:32.880 of The View.

00:26:33.900 They sat there

00:26:34.780 and, you know,

00:26:37.460 were blasting us

00:26:38.960 for that segment.

00:26:41.240 And in particular,

00:26:42.620 so I, you know,

00:26:43.440 I talked about

00:26:44.080 how did Pete Davidson

00:26:45.080 get Kate Beckisdale.

00:26:48.460 I guess it's

00:26:49.320 Beckis Sale.

00:26:50.180 There's no D in it,

00:26:51.260 so I mispronounced

00:26:52.180 her name.

00:26:53.580 And they went on

00:26:55.000 and, you know,

00:26:57.600 the women on The View

00:26:58.700 were attacking me.

00:26:59.800 I think they said

00:27:00.420 I was creepy and gross

00:27:02.600 or I don't know.

00:27:03.080 It was some sort of

00:27:03.820 insults,

00:27:05.460 which I couldn't help

00:27:06.540 but respond,

00:27:07.600 well, you know,

00:27:08.400 from such noted experts

00:27:10.540 on sex appeal

00:27:12.100 as Whoopi Goldberg

00:27:14.260 and Anna Navarro.

00:27:15.700 I'm really glad

00:27:16.520 to get their views.

00:27:19.000 All right.

00:27:19.600 So this weekend

00:27:20.520 we had my family in town

00:27:23.880 because we were celebrating

00:27:24.960 Caroline, my eighth grader,

00:27:27.860 graduated eighth grade,

00:27:28.780 going into ninth grade.

00:27:29.880 And so we were celebrating that,

00:27:31.760 but my dad was very unhappy

00:27:33.500 about that segment.

00:27:34.560 So he was in,

00:27:35.100 my dad was in town this weekend.

00:27:36.280 He was very unhappy

00:27:37.200 and he was like,

00:27:38.740 you really shouldn't be talking

00:27:39.880 about those things.

00:27:40.640 You were talking about

00:27:41.700 hot vampire women.

00:27:43.940 I don't think my dad's seen

00:27:45.600 Underworld.

00:27:46.220 And he was like,

00:27:47.880 why are you talking

00:27:48.620 about hot vampire women?

00:27:49.960 And, you know,

00:27:50.600 my father in a Cuban accent

00:27:52.120 and he's a preacher,

00:27:53.400 but he was,

00:27:53.940 he was dismayed.

00:27:55.300 And I'm like,

00:27:56.500 have you not watched

00:27:57.500 Underworld?

00:27:58.260 Because like,

00:27:59.980 that's objective truth

00:28:01.880 as a defense.

00:28:03.140 I actually don't even really

00:28:05.340 get the views criticism

00:28:06.640 because, you know,

00:28:07.460 of course,

00:28:07.960 if you had,

00:28:08.660 if you had said

00:28:09.280 that the women

00:28:09.740 were not beautiful,

00:28:10.760 they'd call you

00:28:11.380 a misogynist

00:28:12.360 and a terrible,

00:28:12.840 they'd find some way

00:28:13.500 to hit you,

00:28:14.120 kind of damned

00:28:14.620 if you do

00:28:14.960 and damned if you don't.

00:28:15.600 But are we at the point

00:28:16.660 of society right now

00:28:18.280 where we're not even

00:28:19.300 allowed to embrace

00:28:21.440 objective standards?

00:28:22.860 We're not even allowed

00:28:23.640 to say that beautiful

00:28:24.480 women are beautiful.

00:28:25.360 What,

00:28:25.640 what have we succumbed to?

00:28:27.600 And by the way,

00:28:28.440 my point was just

00:28:29.460 there's a mismatch

00:28:30.620 that Pete Davidson

00:28:31.540 seems to be batting

00:28:33.200 out of his league.

00:28:34.060 Look,

00:28:34.600 if Tom Cruise,

00:28:35.780 Tom Cruise dates

00:28:36.480 hot women,

00:28:37.020 of course.

00:28:37.560 I mean,

00:28:37.720 the guy's Tom

00:28:38.320 frigging Cruise

00:28:38.880 like that,

00:28:40.100 you know,

00:28:40.440 Brad Pitt,

00:28:41.220 you know,

00:28:41.480 you,

00:28:41.700 you understand,

00:28:43.400 Michael,

00:28:43.700 I will tell you

00:28:44.480 my favorite toast.

00:28:48.020 God bless

00:28:48.980 nearsighted women.

00:28:53.640 That's,

00:28:54.320 maybe that explains it.

00:28:56.340 That might actually,

00:28:57.680 maybe Kim Kardashian

00:28:59.300 and all the rest of them,

00:29:00.140 maybe they just need glasses.

00:29:01.600 Before we go,

00:29:02.240 I also have to get

00:29:02.960 to some mailbags,

00:29:03.860 Senator,

00:29:04.020 because we've got

00:29:04.540 very,

00:29:05.400 very good questions

00:29:06.280 as we always do

00:29:07.200 from our verdict listeners.

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00:29:20.640 This question

00:29:21.480 does relate to gun control.

00:29:22.580 This is from Long Ethernet.

00:29:24.060 Will the Supreme Court

00:29:25.120 strike down

00:29:25.840 standard capacity

00:29:27.060 firearm magazine bans,

00:29:28.860 so greater than

00:29:29.800 10 rounds,

00:29:30.500 say,

00:29:31.060 from California

00:29:31.960 and Washington?

00:29:34.520 I think there's

00:29:35.540 certainly a possibility.

00:29:36.920 There's ongoing

00:29:37.540 litigation on that.

00:29:38.920 And the test

00:29:41.020 that comes

00:29:42.140 from the Heller case,

00:29:43.300 which was the case

00:29:44.220 Heller versus

00:29:45.600 District of Columbia

00:29:46.580 that first

00:29:48.160 clearly established

00:29:49.240 and upheld

00:29:49.840 the Second Amendment

00:29:50.480 right to keep

00:29:51.100 and bear arms,

00:29:52.600 laid out a test

00:29:53.840 about whether

00:29:54.440 a weapon

00:29:55.040 and the same

00:29:55.540 would apply

00:29:55.920 to ammunition

00:29:56.560 is in common usage

00:29:59.560 for self-defense

00:30:01.820 by American citizens.

00:30:04.540 In that instance,

00:30:05.760 what the court

00:30:06.320 struck down in D.C.

00:30:07.640 was a ban

00:30:08.780 on handguns

00:30:10.860 and on

00:30:12.620 functioning long guns

00:30:13.780 on rifles

00:30:14.580 and shotguns,

00:30:17.280 both of which

00:30:17.720 were required

00:30:18.260 to be disassembled

00:30:19.100 or have trigger locks

00:30:20.120 on them at all times.

00:30:21.680 The argument

00:30:22.640 with regard

00:30:23.960 to ammunition

00:30:24.780 would be the same thing

00:30:25.860 that it is

00:30:26.280 in common usage

00:30:27.380 by individuals

00:30:29.860 to defend their homes

00:30:31.160 and defend their families.

00:30:34.420 That's being litigated.

00:30:36.220 My recollection is

00:30:37.860 I think the California ban

00:30:39.340 had been struck down

00:30:40.900 in federal court,

00:30:41.720 although I'm not

00:30:42.260 following the litigation

00:30:43.320 closely,

00:30:43.960 so that's a fuzzy recollection

00:30:46.580 that the mayor

00:30:47.260 may not be right.

00:30:49.740 Whether the court

00:30:50.940 takes it,

00:30:53.060 typically the court

00:30:55.360 will wait

00:30:56.140 for what's called

00:30:56.900 a circuit split

00:30:57.800 to take a case.

00:30:58.840 So the Supreme Court's

00:31:00.800 general view

00:31:01.520 on its docket

00:31:03.120 is that it doesn't

00:31:05.140 engage in error correction.

00:31:06.700 So even if there's

00:31:07.360 a decision

00:31:07.860 of the court below

00:31:08.940 that it thinks is wrong,

00:31:11.240 its job is not

00:31:12.240 to correct wrong decisions.

00:31:15.620 Its job instead

00:31:17.020 is to ensure

00:31:18.300 uniformity of federal law

00:31:20.160 that the answer

00:31:21.240 to a question of law,

00:31:22.780 a federal law,

00:31:23.540 be the same

00:31:24.400 in one part of the country

00:31:25.920 as it is elsewhere,

00:31:26.740 that there not be

00:31:27.460 a patchwork quilt

00:31:29.000 of different legal standards.

00:31:31.120 So for the court

00:31:32.420 to grant a case,

00:31:33.780 there's got to be

00:31:34.760 in almost all circumstances

00:31:36.020 what they call

00:31:36.680 a circuit split,

00:31:38.280 which is multiple

00:31:39.900 courts of appeals

00:31:40.940 addressing the same

00:31:42.200 legal question

00:31:43.040 and coming to

00:31:44.180 different outcomes.

00:31:45.660 And if there's

00:31:46.200 a circuit split,

00:31:47.180 if it's significant

00:31:48.380 and consequential,

00:31:49.700 and if the case

00:31:50.300 provides a good vehicle

00:31:51.400 to address it,

00:31:52.660 then in those instances

00:31:53.880 the court is likely

00:31:55.280 to take it

00:31:55.980 right now

00:31:57.080 there's a pending

00:31:57.800 Second Amendment case

00:31:58.860 before the Supreme Court

00:32:00.060 out of New York

00:32:00.820 dealing with

00:32:02.320 New York's restrictions

00:32:03.340 on carrying guns

00:32:05.700 and it's an argument

00:32:06.800 about the right

00:32:07.500 to keep and bear arms

00:32:08.660 and in particular

00:32:09.360 the right to bear arms,

00:32:11.440 not just to have them

00:32:12.180 in your home,

00:32:12.740 but to actually

00:32:13.420 to carry them

00:32:14.560 for self-defense.

00:32:15.880 That's going to be

00:32:16.840 expected to be

00:32:17.960 one of the big

00:32:18.540 blockbuster decisions

00:32:20.020 in the next month.

00:32:22.300 On the extended

00:32:23.360 magazine size,

00:32:24.520 I don't know

00:32:25.560 if there's a circuit

00:32:26.280 split right now.

00:32:27.260 If there isn't,

00:32:28.420 my guess is the court

00:32:29.420 would wait until

00:32:30.240 a circuit split developed.

00:32:31.520 That makes sense.

00:32:32.800 You had mentioned

00:32:33.900 earlier in the

00:32:35.300 conversation about

00:32:36.560 why these shootings

00:32:37.880 appear to be

00:32:38.440 more prominent now,

00:32:39.480 more prevalent.

00:32:40.180 There's issues

00:32:40.600 beyond the guns,

00:32:41.480 one of which is

00:32:42.240 family breakdown.

00:32:43.300 So we have a question

00:32:44.200 from Ben who asks,

00:32:46.060 would you support

00:32:46.920 a Hungary-style

00:32:48.300 family incentive program?

00:32:50.820 So throughout the West,

00:32:52.560 the birth rates

00:32:54.140 have plummeted.

00:32:54.920 We're below

00:32:55.500 replacement now.

00:32:56.400 Families are falling apart.

00:32:58.240 And Hungary

00:32:59.060 has implemented

00:32:59.720 programs to

00:33:00.500 incentivize people

00:33:01.480 to get married,

00:33:02.540 to have families,

00:33:03.460 to create kids.

00:33:04.240 These are tax incentives,

00:33:05.280 various government subsidies.

00:33:06.860 And it appears

00:33:07.700 to have worked

00:33:08.580 at least modestly,

00:33:10.220 though I know

00:33:10.660 a lot of conservatives

00:33:11.320 recoil at the idea

00:33:12.460 of government

00:33:13.200 basically paying you

00:33:14.620 to have kids.

00:33:15.580 What's your take?

00:33:17.040 Look, I think

00:33:17.960 the objective

00:33:18.680 is a good objective.

00:33:19.820 I would be skeptical

00:33:21.380 of that particular means

00:33:23.100 for implementing it.

00:33:25.300 I think when it comes

00:33:26.960 to federal policy,

00:33:28.160 we should work

00:33:29.560 to limit

00:33:31.120 the harmful consequences.

00:33:32.400 So there have long

00:33:33.440 been disincentives

00:33:34.960 for marriages,

00:33:36.400 what's called

00:33:37.060 the marriage penalty.

00:33:37.980 And I think our tax laws

00:33:39.160 should not disincentivize

00:33:40.740 marriage.

00:33:43.460 There are also

00:33:44.840 work disincentives.

00:33:46.260 So you look at how

00:33:47.100 some of the welfare programs

00:33:48.320 work where people

00:33:49.240 at certain income thresholds,

00:33:51.140 if they go get a job,

00:33:52.880 they end up functionally

00:33:54.320 paying over 100% in taxes

00:33:56.120 because they lose

00:33:57.000 more government benefits

00:33:58.080 than they earn

00:33:58.680 in their job.

00:34:00.540 Those negative

00:34:01.620 tax implications

00:34:03.300 are really problematic.

00:34:04.660 So I think we should not be

00:34:08.220 disincentivizing strong

00:34:10.860 family units.

00:34:13.900 Look,

00:34:14.420 at some level,

00:34:15.220 we do things like

00:34:16.120 we have child tax credits,

00:34:17.940 which are designed

00:34:19.840 to make it easier

00:34:20.720 for families

00:34:21.320 to raise kids.

00:34:22.300 I think those

00:34:23.140 make sense

00:34:24.060 and are an important part

00:34:24.860 of the tax code.

00:34:25.660 You know,

00:34:29.340 I have also

00:34:30.240 seen

00:34:31.020 different proposals

00:34:32.040 for things

00:34:34.180 like

00:34:34.740 a

00:34:35.480 universal

00:34:36.120 savings account

00:34:37.320 for each

00:34:38.640 newborn child

00:34:39.680 that

00:34:40.320 potentially

00:34:41.780 the government

00:34:42.480 would populate.

00:34:43.420 You have a baby

00:34:44.160 and there's

00:34:44.580 a savings account

00:34:45.600 that is populated

00:34:47.460 with a couple

00:34:47.940 thousand dollars

00:34:48.700 that grows

00:34:49.440 and

00:34:50.000 gains in value

00:34:52.240 during the child's life.

00:34:53.280 Some of those ideas

00:34:54.600 I think are interesting.

00:34:55.940 I don't know

00:34:56.300 that they're

00:34:56.900 fully baked yet,

00:34:58.260 but I think

00:34:58.800 they're interesting ideas

00:35:00.100 to think about.

00:35:04.100 I think I would be

00:35:05.320 hesitant to engage

00:35:06.620 in this sort of

00:35:07.600 micro-social

00:35:08.940 engineering.

00:35:10.700 I don't know

00:35:11.540 a lot of details

00:35:12.340 about the Hungary

00:35:13.160 program,

00:35:14.540 but just as you

00:35:15.080 described it,

00:35:16.920 I think there'd be

00:35:18.880 a danger

00:35:19.400 of screwing things up.

00:35:20.780 I think we ought

00:35:21.340 to be doing

00:35:21.960 more

00:35:22.700 to encourage

00:35:23.880 strong families

00:35:24.840 in churches

00:35:25.540 and communities

00:35:26.420 in the private sector.

00:35:29.180 I don't know

00:35:30.200 that we should

00:35:30.760 be entrusting

00:35:31.500 Joe Biden

00:35:32.080 and Kamala Harris

00:35:32.840 with that.

00:35:33.940 Right.

00:35:34.400 There is also

00:35:35.520 a middle ground

00:35:36.220 where one could

00:35:37.500 trust the laboratories

00:35:38.640 of democracy

00:35:39.380 and you see

00:35:40.040 if some sort

00:35:41.360 of program

00:35:41.740 like this

00:35:42.120 works in a state,

00:35:43.020 if it does,

00:35:43.960 great,

00:35:44.380 you consider it

00:35:45.100 at the federal level

00:35:45.820 and if it doesn't,

00:35:47.080 well,

00:35:47.440 you know,

00:35:47.680 too bad for you,

00:35:48.880 Colorado

00:35:49.160 or whatever state,

00:35:50.140 probably not Colorado,

00:35:51.000 would try it out,

00:35:51.380 but that,

00:35:52.660 yeah,

00:35:52.800 it's a very measured

00:35:54.140 take on things.

00:35:55.840 Finally,

00:35:56.520 Senator,

00:35:56.900 very important question

00:35:57.920 from Chris,

00:35:59.300 what is the airspeed velocity

00:36:00.460 of an unladen swallow?

00:36:02.300 Blue or black?

00:36:03.600 There's no way

00:36:04.260 that I can

00:36:04.780 really even clarify

00:36:06.240 this question

00:36:06.800 without falling

00:36:07.380 into all sorts

00:36:08.140 of political

00:36:08.640 incorrectness

00:36:09.460 from Monty Python,

00:36:10.260 so I suppose

00:36:10.920 we should probably

00:36:11.840 just leave it there.

00:36:13.340 There is,

00:36:14.040 of course,

00:36:14.860 more to discuss

00:36:16.320 for the verdict listeners

00:36:17.500 and that is

00:36:18.220 on The Cloak Room

00:36:19.400 with Liz Wheeler.

00:36:20.980 Liz,

00:36:21.240 what will you be

00:36:21.680 talking about?

00:36:22.560 Hi,

00:36:22.760 Michael.

00:36:23.140 Hi,

00:36:23.400 Senator.

00:36:24.080 We're going to

00:36:24.440 build this week

00:36:25.080 on last week's episode

00:36:26.740 of Cloak Room

00:36:27.440 where we talked

00:36:28.000 about the police response

00:36:29.000 or lack thereof

00:36:29.940 in Uvalde

00:36:31.440 at the shooting

00:36:32.080 at the elementary school.

00:36:33.280 This week,

00:36:33.960 we're going to talk

00:36:34.420 about a legal principle

00:36:36.120 underpinning

00:36:37.240 the law enforcement response.

00:36:38.760 It's called

00:36:38.980 Public Duty Doctrine

00:36:40.120 and it's been held

00:36:41.100 by the Supreme Court

00:36:41.860 that police officers,

00:36:42.980 law enforcement officers,

00:36:43.820 actually have no legal duty

00:36:46.900 to respond

00:36:47.960 or to be dispatched

00:36:49.020 or to aid

00:36:49.900 in any situation,

00:36:52.080 any circumstance

00:36:52.660 that they can't be held

00:36:53.620 liable for that.

00:36:54.760 And we're going to talk

00:36:55.200 a little bit about

00:36:55.680 this legal principle

00:36:56.400 because it's kind of shocking,

00:36:58.180 right?

00:36:58.440 It sounds very shocking

00:37:00.500 that police

00:37:01.700 who we count on

00:37:02.820 to respond in emergencies

00:37:04.040 actually have no duty

00:37:05.480 to respond.

00:37:06.260 We're going to talk about

00:37:06.720 how that applies here

00:37:08.160 and how that can be addressed

00:37:09.940 legally to prevent

00:37:10.900 anything like this

00:37:12.200 from happening again

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