Verdict with Ted Cruz - January 18, 2025


The ＂Oligarchs＂ are Coming, Rape Gangs in the UK plus Moving Trump's Agenda Forward Week In Review


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Ted Cruz and Ben Fergusons discuss the Democratic Party's new obsession with the idea of "Oligarchs" and why it's a bad idea. They also discuss the latest in the UK rape crisis and what the Trump administration should do about it.

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00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.
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00:00:05.260 Welcome.
00:00:05.940 It is Verdict with Ted Cruz, The Weekend Review.
00:00:08.840 Ben Ferguson with you as always.
00:00:10.800 And my, oh my, do we have a lot of big stories that happened this week,
00:00:13.780 especially before Donald Trump is inaugurated on Monday.
00:00:18.060 First up, Bernie Sanders and the President Joe Biden going out with a bang,
00:00:23.900 saying to any rich person in America,
00:00:26.260 you better be careful before you work with Trump
00:00:29.120 because when we get back our power, we're coming after you.
00:00:32.900 They even use the word oligarchs.
00:00:35.500 Yes, we'll explain that for you in just a moment.
00:00:38.240 Also, shocking news coming out about rape gangs in the UK
00:00:42.740 and how this is a very concerning issue,
00:00:46.220 especially for what's happened in the United States of America
00:00:50.040 with so many kids being lost that have come across the southern border.
00:00:53.600 So what will the administration do about that?
00:00:56.420 We'll explain that for you as well.
00:00:57.860 And finally, Donald Trump went to Capitol Hill to meet with leaders on the Hill,
00:01:03.520 had a sit-down with a Senate Republican.
00:01:06.040 So what was said behind closed doors and what does it mean for the Trump agenda?
00:01:11.380 It's The Weekend Review, and it starts right now.
00:01:14.640 It also goes back to this other narrative.
00:01:17.380 When we heard it from the President of the United States of America the other night,
00:01:20.020 he was obsessed with this idea of oligarchs.
00:01:22.720 I actually think this was a little bit different.
00:01:25.880 And Bernie Sanders started naming names when he was doing the confirmation hearing
00:01:31.920 for the man who's up for Treasury Secretary.
00:01:35.100 And I want to get your take, and we're going to play Bernie.
00:01:37.380 But one of the things I felt was really kind of icky about this was the fact that it's like,
00:01:44.000 hey, we're warning some of you that have stepped out of line from the Democratic Party
00:01:49.660 that we're coming after you when we get our power back.
00:01:54.360 If you step out too far into the conservative side of things,
00:01:58.880 and that's why we're warning you that if we name you as an oligarch,
00:02:05.100 then when we get our power back, there's going to be some sort of hell to pay.
00:02:10.140 And you better be careful how much you work with Donald Trump
00:02:13.480 and you support freedom of speech and you support freedom of expression online
00:02:18.100 and the ability to post things.
00:02:20.600 And that's what it was boiling down to.
00:02:22.960 And it was, I think, even more weird.
00:02:24.980 It was in a back and forth of the guy for Treasury Secretary.
00:02:28.880 It's like, wait, are you trying to weaponize Treasury to say,
00:02:31.840 hey, your job is to now make sure there's no billionaires in America?
00:02:36.020 Well, look, it's worth giving a listen.
00:02:38.080 So listen to this back and forth.
00:02:40.160 And in terms of the demagogic language of the Democrat Party,
00:02:45.800 this is a great example. Give a listen.
00:02:47.280 When you have a small number of multi-billionaires
00:02:52.200 who have enormous economic, media, and political power,
00:02:58.400 would you agree with President Biden,
00:03:02.400 who last night stated, and I quote,
00:03:05.020 an oligarchy is taking shape in America
00:03:07.740 of extreme wealth, power, and influence
00:03:10.940 that threatens our entire democracy,
00:03:14.020 our basic rights, and freedoms.
00:03:16.360 End of quote.
00:03:16.840 That's what President Biden said last night.
00:03:18.960 I agree with him.
00:03:20.420 Do you?
00:03:20.740 I enjoyed our visit,
00:03:23.160 and I hope you got my follow-up materials
00:03:25.880 on the discussions,
00:03:27.580 my previous writings on the tariffs in China.
00:03:32.560 And look, the three billionaires
00:03:37.380 who you listed,
00:03:39.940 they all made the money themselves.
00:03:43.140 Mr. Musk came to the country as an immigrant.
00:03:46.860 I understand that, but what I'm asking you is,
00:03:50.320 when you have a handful of people,
00:03:53.100 like Musk, who will soon be part of the Trump administration,
00:03:57.920 and others,
00:03:59.420 when you have three people owning more wealth
00:04:01.440 than the bottom half of American society,
00:04:03.640 when these people have enormous influence over the media,
00:04:06.660 when they spend huge amounts of money
00:04:08.780 in both political parties to elect candidates,
00:04:11.540 what Biden said last night is we're moving toward an oligarchy.
00:04:14.920 I'm asking you that question.
00:04:16.840 Do you think, forget how they made their money,
00:04:19.460 do you think that when so few people
00:04:21.720 have so much wealth
00:04:23.000 and so much economic and political power,
00:04:25.340 that that is an oligarchic form of society?
00:04:27.400 Well, I would note that the President Biden
00:04:32.480 gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom
00:04:34.080 to two people who I think would qualify for his oligarchs.
00:04:38.780 So...
00:04:39.620 This is not a condemnation of any one individual.
00:04:43.880 I'm just asking you,
00:04:44.920 when so few people have so much wealth and power,
00:04:49.080 do you think that that is an oligarchic form of society?
00:04:52.880 Senator, I think it depends on the ability to move up and down the...
00:05:00.760 No, that's not really the answer.
00:05:02.300 I mean, even if you had that mobility,
00:05:03.900 no matter who those individuals might be.
00:05:06.220 All right, but let me ask you another question.
00:05:07.780 I love there how he's like,
00:05:09.220 all right, I'm going to move on,
00:05:10.120 because this isn't landing.
00:05:10.980 You just threw it back in my face 0.90
00:05:12.120 that we just gave medals of the highest level of medal
00:05:16.540 you can give to a civilian
00:05:18.960 to two of the people that would be categorized oligarchs.
00:05:21.600 One of them, by the way,
00:05:22.820 is a hardcore radical by the name of George Soros.
00:05:28.100 Yeah, George Soros just got the Medal of Freedom from Joe Biden.
00:05:32.020 He celebrated.
00:05:33.140 He also gave it to Hillary Clinton.
00:05:35.120 And by the way, before that,
00:05:36.560 Barack Obama gave the Medal of Freedom to Bill Gates.
00:05:40.780 And listen, the position of Bernie Sanders is,
00:05:43.620 we hate billionaires,
00:05:44.740 unless you're billionaires who support socialists
00:05:47.620 and the Democrat Party.
00:05:48.580 Then you're okay.
00:05:49.480 But to be clear, you're only okay if you're buying absolution.
00:05:53.880 The instant you stop buying absolution,
00:05:56.160 we will demonize you 1.00
00:05:57.540 and we will burn you an effigy in the streets. 0.99
00:06:00.580 And I got to say, I like Scott Besson's point. 0.99
00:06:02.940 He's like, wait, you're attacking these people.
00:06:05.800 None of these three people you're attacking,
00:06:07.900 none of them inherited wealth.
00:06:10.480 You know, Elon Musk came as an immigrant from Africa.
00:06:12.860 Like he built amazing companies.
00:06:16.720 And to a socialist,
00:06:18.040 they don't care what you did to build wealth.
00:06:22.000 They're going to demonize you.
00:06:23.320 They're going to attack you.
00:06:25.020 And it's an example of,
00:06:27.260 and by the way,
00:06:27.980 it's why you get so many incredibly rich,
00:06:31.840 so many billionaires who back the Democrat Party
00:06:34.240 because they're basically paying for protection
00:06:37.640 from Robespierre,
00:06:40.460 from the guillotine in the French Revolution.
00:06:44.800 And I got to say,
00:06:46.580 that is where the Democrat Party is.
00:06:48.240 But I'll give Scott Besson a shout out.
00:06:50.800 He responded
00:06:51.960 with fantastic answers,
00:06:55.620 which is why Bernie ran,
00:06:57.240 ran to the hills and ran away
00:06:59.040 because he realized it wasn't going the way he wanted.
00:07:00.980 Scott Besson's going to get confirmed.
00:07:03.220 Every Trump cabinet member is going to get confirmed.
00:07:05.960 Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,
00:07:08.620 you can go back and listen to the full podcast
00:07:11.020 from earlier this week.
00:07:13.280 Now on to story number two.
00:07:15.660 I want to move to another story you mentioned earlier.
00:07:18.820 And this is a story that on face value,
00:07:23.140 it's something that's in the UK.
00:07:26.260 And there's some people that say,
00:07:27.400 well, like this is the UK.
00:07:28.720 Why does this matter to me?
00:07:29.860 And I want to connect it
00:07:31.680 to what has happened in this country
00:07:33.620 because of our open borders
00:07:36.000 and the number of minors
00:07:38.240 that we have released in this country
00:07:40.220 to non-family members
00:07:41.860 through the Biden-Harris program.
00:07:45.520 And when we go back to check on them,
00:07:47.560 they are nowhere to be found.
00:07:49.900 There are tens of thousands of children.
00:07:53.780 Over 300,000, not tens of thousands.
00:07:56.300 Over 300,000.
00:07:58.340 That's in the United States
00:08:00.360 that the Biden administration has lost,
00:08:03.240 that they do not know where they are,
00:08:04.980 that they came as unaccompanied minors
00:08:07.440 and they were handed over to adults
00:08:09.760 and they have no idea where they are.
00:08:11.240 And many of them are no doubt being abused.
00:08:13.660 And the corrupt corporate media
00:08:16.400 could not care less.
00:08:17.560 The Democrats could not care less.
00:08:19.480 I don't know a Democrat senator
00:08:20.740 who's ever asked about the 300,000 children
00:08:24.000 that this administration lost.
00:08:25.780 They don't care about it.
00:08:26.840 But look, I want to say
00:08:28.780 what's happened in the UK
00:08:29.960 and is happening right now
00:08:31.520 is horrifying
00:08:33.440 and it's a real warning sign here.
00:08:36.000 I want to start by reading
00:08:37.840 from an article in the Free Press
00:08:39.540 because it sums it up really effectively.
00:08:42.680 It's entitled,
00:08:43.640 The Biggest Peacetime Crime 0.54
00:08:46.320 and Cover-Up in British History.
00:08:50.000 The grooming and serial rape
00:08:51.680 of thousands of English girls 0.99
00:08:53.460 by men of mostly Pakistani Muslim background
00:08:56.660 over several decades
00:08:58.260 is the biggest peacetime crime
00:09:00.720 in the history of modern Europe.
00:09:03.460 It went on for many years.
00:09:05.580 It is still going on.
00:09:07.460 And there has been no justice
00:09:09.540 for the vast majority of the victims.
00:09:11.700 British governments,
00:09:13.540 both conservative and labor,
00:09:15.460 hoped that they had buried the story
00:09:17.320 after a few symbolic prosecutions
00:09:19.680 in the 2010s.
00:09:21.620 And it looked like they had succeeded
00:09:23.480 until Elon Musk read some of the court papers
00:09:26.920 and tweeted his disgust
00:09:28.540 and bafflement on X over the new year.
00:09:32.540 Britain now stands shamed before the world.
00:09:36.680 The public's suppressed wrath
00:09:38.640 is bubbling to the surface
00:09:40.620 and petitions calls for a public inquiry
00:09:43.340 and demands for accountability.
00:09:45.660 The scandal is already reshaping British politics.
00:09:49.120 It's not just about the heinous nature of the crimes.
00:09:51.720 It's that every level of the British system
00:09:54.660 is implicated in the cover-up.
00:09:58.060 Social workers were intimidated into silence.
00:10:01.660 Local police ignored,
00:10:03.440 ignored, excused, 0.99
00:10:04.820 and even abetted pedophile rapists 1.00
00:10:07.600 across dozens of cities. 0.74
00:10:10.500 Senior police and home office officials
00:10:12.320 deliberately avoided action
00:10:13.780 in the name of maintaining
00:10:15.540 what they called, quote,
00:10:17.200 community relations.
00:10:19.740 Local counselors and members of parliament
00:10:21.740 rejected pleas for help
00:10:24.760 from the parents of raped children.
00:10:28.420 Charities, NGOs, and labor MPs
00:10:30.580 accused those who discussed the scandal
00:10:33.040 of racism and Islamophobia.
00:10:36.780 The media mostly ignored or downplayed
00:10:39.340 the biggest story of their lifetimes.
00:10:42.560 Zealous in their incuriosity,
00:10:44.960 much of Britain's media elite
00:10:46.420 remained barnacled to the bubble
00:10:48.240 of Westminster politics
00:10:49.700 and its self-serving priorities.
00:10:52.600 They did this to defend the failed model
00:10:56.500 of multiculturalism
00:10:58.200 and to avoid asking hard questions
00:11:00.800 about failures of immigration policy
00:11:03.200 and assimilation.
00:11:05.140 They did this because they were afraid
00:11:07.280 of being called racist or Islamophobic.
00:11:10.780 They did this because Britain's 0.99
00:11:12.540 traditional class snobbery
00:11:14.180 had fused with the new snobbery
00:11:17.120 of political correctness.
00:11:19.260 All of which is why
00:11:21.560 no one knows precisely
00:11:23.540 how many thousands
00:11:25.460 of young girls were raped
00:11:27.920 in how many towns across Britain
00:11:30.120 since the 1970s.
00:11:31.900 What we do know
00:11:33.020 is that the epicenter
00:11:34.500 was in the post-industrial mill towns
00:11:36.640 of England's North and Midlands
00:11:38.760 where immigrants from Pakistan
00:11:40.820 and Bangladesh settled
00:11:42.340 in the 1960s.
00:11:44.400 White locals say 0.92
00:11:45.660 the grooming and rapes began 0.99
00:11:47.100 soon after.
00:11:48.120 In Rotherdam,
00:11:50.540 the run-down Yorkshire city
00:11:52.180 where the scandal first broke,
00:11:54.460 local police and counselors
00:11:55.960 were notified
00:11:57.400 about systematic grooming
00:11:59.280 and sex abuse by 2001.
00:12:01.840 The first convictions
00:12:03.040 did not occur
00:12:03.960 until 2010
00:12:05.780 when five men
00:12:06.800 of Pakistani background
00:12:07.940 were jailed
00:12:08.900 for multiple offenses
00:12:10.260 against girls 0.99
00:12:11.180 as young as 12 years old.
00:12:13.920 The breadth of what occurred
00:12:16.500 is staggering
00:12:17.500 and the systematic
00:12:19.560 willingness
00:12:21.620 to look aside
00:12:23.500 is truly horrific.
00:12:25.740 And let's be clear,
00:12:26.880 the reason why
00:12:27.660 they look the other way,
00:12:28.640 you mentioned it,
00:12:29.500 is really from a PR standpoint.
00:12:31.560 They wanted to have,
00:12:32.800 quote,
00:12:33.360 good relations
00:12:34.340 and not have a stigma
00:12:35.780 related to people
00:12:36.920 that were coming
00:12:37.460 from the Middle East
00:12:38.320 that were there.
00:12:39.460 So they said,
00:12:39.960 all right,
00:12:40.200 we'll just look the other way
00:12:41.300 and that'll make it easier.
00:12:42.280 It's actually less Middle East 1.00
00:12:43.940 than primarily Pakistan,
00:12:45.980 Pakistan,
00:12:46.800 and it's Pakistani Muslims.
00:12:49.760 And what we've seen,
00:12:51.180 so we have seen
00:12:53.960 since the 1970s,
00:12:55.920 the grooming and serial rape
00:12:57.600 of thousands of children.
00:13:00.080 And the issue
00:13:03.200 is in particular relevant
00:13:05.880 because Keir Starmer,
00:13:08.260 the prime minister,
00:13:09.720 was England's director
00:13:11.380 of public prosecutions
00:13:13.140 between 2008 and 2013.
00:13:15.960 And so he was actively involved
00:13:17.940 in looking the other way.
00:13:21.840 And, all right,
00:13:23.020 so let's break down
00:13:24.240 a little bit of the facts
00:13:25.200 of what happened
00:13:25.880 because the story sounds
00:13:28.120 so extreme
00:13:30.360 as to not be credible. 0.99
00:13:32.020 But the child sex rapes
00:13:37.560 weren't just individual instances 0.96
00:13:40.860 done by rogue individuals.
00:13:42.340 Rather, in nearly all the cases,
00:13:44.380 there were groups
00:13:45.500 of mostly Pakistani men
00:13:47.120 that cooperated
00:13:48.980 and conspired to groom 0.87
00:13:51.520 and sexually abuse 0.93
00:13:52.840 girls over decades. 0.97
00:13:56.060 And they targeted
00:13:58.640 mostly vulnerable girls,
00:14:00.740 poor,
00:14:02.440 orphans,
00:14:03.520 children in care homes. 1.00
00:14:05.260 They raped the girls. 0.99
00:14:06.580 They passed them around networks, 1.00
00:14:08.640 so raping them 0.96
00:14:09.460 one after the other 1.00
00:14:10.740 after the other. 1.00
00:14:11.760 Some of these child rapists 0.98
00:14:14.060 had roles 0.91
00:14:15.620 in local governments.
00:14:16.800 The leader of one
00:14:17.620 of the rape gangs
00:14:18.460 in Oldham,
00:14:20.600 an individual named
00:14:21.320 Shabir Ahmed,
00:14:22.980 worked for the local council
00:14:24.800 as a, quote,
00:14:25.500 welfare rights officer
00:14:27.080 and ran his gang
00:14:29.540 from the council's
00:14:31.780 welfare office.
00:14:33.920 And let me give you
00:14:34.640 some of the facts
00:14:35.260 because they're just
00:14:36.140 horrifying.
00:14:38.820 One of the victims,
00:14:40.400 a girl named
00:14:41.160 Victoria Agaglia.
00:14:43.840 Victoria was a 15-year-old
00:14:45.220 teenager
00:14:45.680 and she was subject
00:14:48.300 to the government's
00:14:49.140 round-the-clock
00:14:49.700 caretaking,
00:14:50.440 but she went missing
00:14:51.240 19 times
00:14:53.180 in three months
00:14:54.540 for up to two weeks
00:14:55.880 at a time.
00:14:56.420 Instead of trying to find her,
00:14:57.460 the welfare workers
00:14:59.000 simply messaged her
00:14:59.980 saying,
00:15:00.520 when are you coming back?
00:15:02.380 Wow.
00:15:03.140 It turns out
00:15:04.060 she was forced
00:15:04.940 into a Pakistani 0.99
00:15:05.940 sex ring 1.00
00:15:06.700 by older women 1.00
00:15:08.520 who raped her 0.99
00:15:09.360 in exchange for cash, 0.99
00:15:10.760 alcohol,
00:15:11.260 and hard drugs.
00:15:12.600 She was sometimes
00:15:13.760 abused by up to
00:15:14.960 25 men
00:15:16.540 in a single night.
00:15:19.200 Victoria wrote
00:15:20.220 a heartbreaking letter
00:15:21.480 to the police
00:15:21.980 documenting her abuse,
00:15:23.140 but it was ignored.
00:15:23.820 It was ignored.
00:15:26.300 Ignored.
00:15:27.140 And she was found
00:15:28.580 dead
00:15:29.100 from a fatal
00:15:30.640 dose of heroin
00:15:31.640 given by an abuser
00:15:33.180 and she was repeatedly 0.92
00:15:34.900 drugged and raped 0.97
00:15:35.840 the night she was killed. 1.00
00:15:37.880 I'll give you
00:15:38.440 another example.
00:15:39.840 Charlene Downs.
00:15:41.240 In Blackpool
00:15:41.960 in 2003,
00:15:43.040 14-year-old
00:15:43.740 Charlene Downs
00:15:44.500 disappeared.
00:15:46.100 Police had a leave
00:15:46.860 that Charlene's body
00:15:47.740 had been dismembered
00:15:48.640 and disposed of
00:15:49.640 at a kebab shop
00:15:50.980 in Blackpool.
00:15:52.860 Police uncovered
00:15:53.800 evidence that Charlene
00:15:54.980 had been the victim
00:15:55.760 of child sexual exploitation
00:15:57.940 after being groomed 0.99
00:15:59.040 by a gang.
00:16:00.260 The criminals
00:16:00.820 have not been found
00:16:01.700 and her body
00:16:02.900 is missing
00:16:03.300 20 years later.
00:16:05.140 Lucy Lowe
00:16:05.740 in Telford,
00:16:07.940 an individual
00:16:08.540 named Azar Ali Mahmoud
00:16:10.880 groomed Lucy Lowe
00:16:12.520 from the age of 12
00:16:13.820 and impregnated her 0.77
00:16:16.080 at 14. 0.97
00:16:18.140 He burned her alive
00:16:20.280 in her own home
00:16:21.980 with her mother
00:16:23.740 her disabled sister
00:16:25.700 and her unborn
00:16:27.400 second child
00:16:28.340 also fathered
00:16:30.080 by Mahmoud.
00:16:31.580 Mahmoud was jailed
00:16:32.740 for life
00:16:33.300 in 2001
00:16:34.060 for murder,
00:16:34.760 not for the sex crimes,
00:16:35.720 for murder.
00:16:37.040 Reports indicated
00:16:38.520 that South Asian men
00:16:40.300 were targeting
00:16:40.820 teenagers in Telford
00:16:41.860 since the 1980s.
00:16:42.820 I'll give you
00:16:43.080 one other example.
00:16:44.400 Sophie.
00:16:46.080 In Oldham
00:16:46.860 in 2006,
00:16:47.920 a 12-year-old girl
00:16:48.880 named Sophie
00:16:49.500 entered a police station
00:16:51.420 and reported
00:16:52.020 that she had just
00:16:52.760 been molested
00:16:53.480 in a graveyard 0.55
00:16:54.340 by a man named Ali.
00:16:57.080 A desk officer
00:16:58.180 told her to come back
00:16:59.300 with an adult
00:17:00.100 when she was sober.
00:17:01.700 Mind you,
00:17:01.980 she was 12.
00:17:03.520 Two men accosted her 0.82
00:17:04.880 in the police station.
00:17:07.680 Joined by a third, 0.99
00:17:08.780 they raped her 1.00
00:17:10.360 in their car. 1.00
00:17:11.980 When they dumped
00:17:12.820 her on the street,
00:17:14.400 she asked a man
00:17:15.380 named Sarwar Ali
00:17:16.640 for directions.
00:17:18.520 He took her
00:17:19.380 to his home, 1.00
00:17:21.220 raped her, 1.00
00:17:22.300 and gave her money 1.00
00:17:23.040 for bus fare home.
00:17:24.880 Sarwar Ali
00:17:25.520 was arrested
00:17:26.200 and remanded to prison
00:17:27.220 over his attack
00:17:27.860 on Sophie.
00:17:29.000 However,
00:17:29.440 he was then released
00:17:30.740 following a bail application
00:17:32.240 to a judge
00:17:33.140 despite being
00:17:34.280 an illegal immigrant
00:17:34.960 in the United Kingdom.
00:17:36.380 He subsequently
00:17:37.320 failed to attend
00:17:38.360 his appointment
00:17:38.840 with the Immigration Service
00:17:40.060 and is still at large.
00:17:42.920 Then,
00:17:43.980 a man named Shaquille
00:17:45.460 Chowdhury
00:17:46.640 pulled up at his car
00:17:47.780 and offered
00:17:49.180 to take Sophie home.
00:17:51.580 He abducted her,
00:17:53.480 took her to a house,
00:17:54.920 fed her alcohol.
00:17:56.460 Soon after,
00:17:57.140 he and four other men 0.99
00:17:58.180 repeatedly raped her. 0.99
00:18:00.320 Only Shaquille 0.99
00:18:01.060 was convicted,
00:18:01.900 six years in prison.
00:18:03.620 During his trial,
00:18:04.460 Chowdhury named
00:18:05.100 two of the other men
00:18:05.840 involved in the rapes
00:18:06.680 of Sophie
00:18:07.080 as part of his
00:18:07.760 mitigation
00:18:08.360 but these were not
00:18:09.300 followed up
00:18:09.820 by police at the time.
00:18:12.260 One of the men
00:18:13.020 named by Chowdhury
00:18:13.820 was subsequently
00:18:14.560 convicted in 2009
00:18:16.000 of the attempted murder
00:18:17.840 of his wife.
00:18:19.740 This pattern
00:18:20.920 happened
00:18:22.140 over
00:18:22.840 and over
00:18:24.100 and over
00:18:25.200 again
00:18:25.660 and
00:18:27.260 the numbers
00:18:28.620 are staggering.
00:18:29.840 We are talking
00:18:30.480 about
00:18:30.860 thousands
00:18:31.760 of girls
00:18:33.140 systematically,
00:18:35.560 repeatedly 0.99
00:18:36.360 raped 0.99
00:18:37.600 and 0.96
00:18:37.940 the entire
00:18:38.880 British government
00:18:39.780 looked the other
00:18:40.420 way for decades.
00:18:41.820 So Senator,
00:18:42.780 the question
00:18:43.240 that I'm sure
00:18:43.840 everyone listening
00:18:44.520 is thinking
00:18:44.980 to themselves
00:18:45.900 like,
00:18:46.640 A,
00:18:47.100 has anything
00:18:47.740 changed now
00:18:48.880 and B,
00:18:50.040 what should happen
00:18:51.240 the fact that
00:18:51.940 now this is all
00:18:52.600 out in the open?
00:18:53.200 Well,
00:18:54.340 what has changed
00:18:55.500 is
00:18:56.560 Elon Musk
00:18:57.940 has started
00:18:58.380 tweeting about it
00:18:59.160 and Elon
00:18:59.520 has over
00:19:00.520 200 million
00:19:01.220 followers
00:19:01.700 and it has
00:19:02.340 drawn attention
00:19:03.460 to it in a way
00:19:04.160 that is really
00:19:05.080 important
00:19:06.100 and it has become
00:19:07.360 thankfully
00:19:08.020 a political
00:19:08.660 crisis
00:19:09.300 in the United
00:19:11.400 Kingdom
00:19:11.800 but I want you
00:19:12.680 to listen to
00:19:13.400 Keir Starmer,
00:19:14.200 this is just
00:19:14.660 about a week
00:19:15.200 ago,
00:19:16.200 addressing this
00:19:17.400 crisis
00:19:17.840 and listen to
00:19:18.860 what he had to say.
00:19:19.460 This is the Prime
00:19:20.020 Minister of the
00:19:20.600 United Kingdom.
00:19:21.100 And when
00:19:22.480 politicians,
00:19:24.740 and I mean
00:19:25.220 politicians,
00:19:26.840 who sat in
00:19:27.620 government for
00:19:28.060 many years,
00:19:29.180 are casual
00:19:29.840 about honesty,
00:19:32.400 decency,
00:19:33.080 truth,
00:19:33.540 and the rule
00:19:34.000 of law,
00:19:36.120 calling for
00:19:36.700 inquiries because
00:19:37.400 they want to
00:19:38.120 jump on a
00:19:38.800 bandwagon of
00:19:40.000 the far right,
00:19:42.060 then that
00:19:42.480 affects politics
00:19:43.520 because a
00:19:45.640 robust debate
00:19:46.380 can only be
00:19:47.000 based on the
00:19:47.620 true facts.
00:19:49.140 So there you
00:19:50.060 have it,
00:19:50.400 the sitting
00:19:51.200 Prime Minister
00:19:51.960 is saying
00:19:53.740 that if you're
00:19:54.300 concerned about
00:19:55.280 the ongoing
00:19:56.080 rape of
00:19:56.860 thousands of
00:19:57.780 girls in
00:19:59.140 the United
00:19:59.500 Kingdom and
00:20:00.280 the complicity
00:20:01.500 of government,
00:20:02.480 he says you're
00:20:03.080 jumping on
00:20:04.420 the bandwagon
00:20:05.380 of the far
00:20:06.160 right.
00:20:06.560 That continues
00:20:07.320 to be the
00:20:08.500 multiculturalism,
00:20:09.680 political
00:20:09.980 correctness that
00:20:10.700 he does not
00:20:11.380 want to
00:20:11.880 acknowledge.
00:20:12.840 And by the
00:20:13.300 way,
00:20:13.620 he was the
00:20:14.360 chief prosecutor
00:20:15.060 for many of
00:20:15.740 these years.
00:20:16.520 He was the
00:20:17.220 one who was
00:20:19.040 directly involved
00:20:20.400 in looking the
00:20:21.040 other way,
00:20:21.600 so naturally
00:20:22.360 he doesn't
00:20:23.380 want an
00:20:23.760 inquiry.
00:20:24.420 Now, I'll
00:20:25.500 give you the
00:20:25.920 response of
00:20:26.680 Nigel Farage,
00:20:27.760 one of the
00:20:28.320 leaders, and
00:20:28.720 actually Nigel
00:20:29.280 Farage, we've
00:20:29.880 had on this
00:20:32.040 podcast.
00:20:32.640 He's been a
00:20:33.000 guest on this
00:20:33.500 podcast before.
00:20:34.480 Nigel Farage
00:20:35.100 obviously led
00:20:36.240 the fight for
00:20:37.160 Brexit in the
00:20:38.480 United Kingdom,
00:20:39.320 and listen to
00:20:40.560 Nigel Farage's
00:20:41.420 response to
00:20:42.220 what Keir
00:20:42.560 Starmer said.
00:20:43.120 Well, so much
00:20:44.340 talk over the
00:20:44.960 last few days
00:20:45.700 about grooming
00:20:46.420 gangs, or
00:20:47.040 should I say 0.99
00:20:47.480 rape gangs, 0.92
00:20:48.720 and Keir
00:20:49.060 Starmer today
00:20:49.660 saying that
00:20:50.260 anyone who's
00:20:50.740 calling for a
00:20:51.480 full public
00:20:52.400 inquiry is
00:20:53.440 jumping on the
00:20:54.380 bandwagon of
00:20:55.240 the far right.
00:20:56.300 Wrong, Prime
00:20:56.980 Minister.
00:20:57.540 The vast
00:20:58.140 majority of
00:20:58.700 people in
00:20:58.960 this country
00:20:59.380 are absolutely
00:21:00.540 mortified by
00:21:02.240 what has gone
00:21:02.720 on, but even
00:21:03.740 worse, the
00:21:04.380 cover-up we've
00:21:05.000 had from the
00:21:05.800 police, social
00:21:06.860 services, and
00:21:08.140 both conservative
00:21:09.020 and Labour
00:21:10.060 governments.
00:21:11.160 The inquiries
00:21:11.820 that have
00:21:12.140 happened so far
00:21:12.880 have been
00:21:13.120 nothing more
00:21:13.560 than a
00:21:13.820 whitewash.
00:21:14.760 There needs
00:21:15.040 to be a
00:21:15.640 full public
00:21:16.840 inquiry.
00:21:17.780 Let us find
00:21:18.260 out the truth
00:21:18.900 of the scale
00:21:19.860 of this.
00:21:20.320 I'm told that
00:21:21.380 in up to 50
00:21:22.320 British towns
00:21:23.520 these gang
00:21:24.360 rapes were 1.00
00:21:25.020 going on.
00:21:25.820 I believe the
00:21:26.360 public need
00:21:26.960 the truth.
00:21:27.620 We must have
00:21:28.700 an inquiry.
00:21:29.880 Senator, you
00:21:30.460 hear the
00:21:31.040 frustration there
00:21:32.480 from Nigel,
00:21:33.220 but it also,
00:21:34.220 and this is
00:21:34.800 where I say
00:21:35.440 let's bring it
00:21:36.100 back to the
00:21:36.660 US.
00:21:37.840 I worry that
00:21:38.740 we're going to
00:21:39.100 have the same
00:21:39.780 type of
00:21:40.180 conversation
00:21:40.840 in the not
00:21:42.380 too near
00:21:42.780 distant future
00:21:43.540 about all
00:21:44.160 the children
00:21:44.620 that we've
00:21:45.500 lost in
00:21:46.200 this country.
00:21:47.440 So the
00:21:47.660 answer to
00:21:48.160 both needs
00:21:48.660 to be the
00:21:49.060 same, which
00:21:49.600 is there
00:21:49.800 needs to
00:21:50.140 be an
00:21:50.360 inquiry, there
00:21:51.160 needs to
00:21:51.500 be transparency
00:21:52.500 in the
00:21:52.880 United Kingdom.
00:21:54.240 You know,
00:21:54.900 Nigel Farage
00:21:55.860 mentioned that
00:21:56.520 there are
00:21:56.900 allegations of
00:21:57.720 up to 50
00:21:59.460 towns where
00:22:00.320 these rape 0.95
00:22:00.840 gangs were 0.85
00:22:01.400 ongoing for
00:22:02.180 years and
00:22:03.140 years.
00:22:03.900 That's a
00:22:04.540 staggering scale,
00:22:05.620 so there
00:22:05.980 needs to be
00:22:06.720 full transparency,
00:22:08.580 the opposite of
00:22:09.380 a whitewash
00:22:09.960 or a cover
00:22:10.440 up, but
00:22:11.080 real transparency.
00:22:12.000 In the United
00:22:12.340 States, the
00:22:12.880 over 300,000
00:22:13.920 children that
00:22:14.900 the Biden
00:22:15.300 administration
00:22:15.800 lost, we
00:22:16.660 need full
00:22:17.160 transparency.
00:22:17.960 We need to
00:22:18.240 find those
00:22:18.760 kids, those
00:22:19.720 kids who are
00:22:20.280 being abused
00:22:20.920 right now, we
00:22:21.960 need to get
00:22:22.440 them out of
00:22:22.960 harm's way,
00:22:24.220 and sunlight
00:22:25.640 and transparency
00:22:26.820 is powerful,
00:22:27.740 but there also
00:22:28.460 needs to be
00:22:29.140 accountability for
00:22:30.540 those who are
00:22:31.040 culpable.
00:22:32.020 As before, if
00:22:32.900 you want to
00:22:33.220 hear the rest
00:22:33.700 of this
00:22:33.940 conversation on
00:22:35.080 this topic,
00:22:35.860 you can go
00:22:36.260 back and download
00:22:36.960 the podcast from
00:22:38.100 earlier this week
00:22:38.740 to hear the
00:22:39.180 entire thing.
00:22:41.020 I want to get
00:22:41.700 back to the
00:22:42.420 big story number
00:22:43.480 three of the
00:22:43.960 week you may
00:22:44.460 have missed.
00:22:45.480 Let me ask you
00:22:46.180 this, just to
00:22:46.980 paint the picture
00:22:47.500 of the room.
00:22:48.040 When you guys
00:22:48.600 meet with him,
00:22:49.280 are you seated?
00:22:50.500 Yep.
00:22:50.940 And then when
00:22:51.400 you talk to him,
00:22:52.300 when you're making
00:22:52.760 your points, do
00:22:53.320 you stand?
00:22:53.960 What does it look
00:22:54.920 like?
00:22:55.160 Is it a very
00:22:55.700 chill room?
00:22:56.960 Is it a casual
00:22:58.020 room or very
00:22:58.600 formal?
00:22:59.260 So we're in a
00:23:00.360 room called the
00:23:01.060 Mansfield room,
00:23:02.040 which is a room
00:23:02.660 named for Mike
00:23:03.240 Mansfield, former
00:23:04.360 Senate Majority
00:23:06.220 Leader, Democrat
00:23:07.000 Senator for
00:23:07.640 Montana.
00:23:08.740 It has a big
00:23:09.080 picture of Mike
00:23:09.660 Mansfield holding
00:23:10.380 a pipe, the big
00:23:11.400 painting on the
00:23:11.900 wall.
00:23:13.560 It is a large
00:23:15.480 room in the
00:23:16.160 Capitol.
00:23:17.140 And when we
00:23:18.260 met with him,
00:23:19.500 there's a table
00:23:20.400 that's basically a
00:23:21.400 giant table set in
00:23:22.460 a rectangle.
00:23:23.020 So we're all
00:23:23.700 facing each other.
00:23:24.860 So, you know, 53
00:23:27.240 of us plus the
00:23:28.200 president around a
00:23:29.220 table looking at
00:23:29.960 each other.
00:23:31.420 And it's a very
00:23:32.460 nice room, and
00:23:33.160 it's where we have
00:23:34.080 lunch every day.
00:23:36.740 It's actually one
00:23:37.700 of the perks of
00:23:38.380 being in the
00:23:39.180 majority.
00:23:40.120 So the majority
00:23:40.840 has lunch in the
00:23:41.600 Mansfield room, the
00:23:42.580 minority has lunch in
00:23:43.540 the LBJ room, which
00:23:44.460 is smaller.
00:23:45.540 So when we became a
00:23:46.460 majority, we got into
00:23:47.220 the bigger room, which
00:23:47.940 is nice, because the
00:23:48.700 LBJ room, it's pretty
00:23:51.200 tight quarters, and so
00:23:52.240 there's a lot more
00:23:52.780 space in the
00:23:53.240 Mansfield room.
00:23:53.800 So, look, I made a
00:23:55.940 case to him because
00:23:56.720 he came in and he'd
00:23:57.640 been told by the
00:23:58.300 House, hey, this is
00:23:59.200 the only way we can
00:23:59.820 get it done.
00:24:00.360 And I said, Mr.
00:24:00.960 President, I want you
00:24:01.500 to understand
00:24:01.880 something.
00:24:03.160 I said, we had a
00:24:04.080 meeting earlier today
00:24:05.060 of all of the Senate
00:24:06.480 committee chairs, all
00:24:08.600 of us, every single
00:24:11.340 one of us, agrees that
00:24:14.840 doing this with two
00:24:16.040 bills is the only way
00:24:17.300 to get it done, and
00:24:18.240 one bill has a
00:24:20.120 massive, massive risk
00:24:21.780 of failure.
00:24:22.300 And extending it to
00:24:24.060 eight months.
00:24:25.060 And I pointed out to
00:24:26.160 him, I said, look,
00:24:27.620 there are 53 of us in
00:24:28.860 this room, I want you
00:24:29.600 to look around the
00:24:30.320 room.
00:24:31.040 Every single one of us
00:24:32.540 agrees, all of us.
00:24:34.420 I agree, John Thune
00:24:35.820 agrees, Lindsey Graham
00:24:37.200 agrees.
00:24:37.980 I said, look, you've
00:24:38.520 got Susan Collins and
00:24:39.660 Rand Paul, they agree
00:24:40.460 on nothing.
00:24:41.700 They agree on this.
00:24:43.560 I want you to
00:24:44.540 understand why.
00:24:45.400 And one point that I
00:24:46.240 made to him is I said,
00:24:47.060 look, you need to
00:24:47.580 understand, I love the
00:24:49.500 House of Representatives,
00:24:50.140 I love Mike Johnson, he's
00:24:51.280 a great man, he's a
00:24:52.760 good friend, he has a
00:24:53.840 nearly impossible job.
00:24:55.040 So I feel for how
00:24:56.520 difficult that job is.
00:24:58.480 The House of
00:24:59.380 Representatives, more
00:25:00.540 than 60% of the House,
00:25:03.240 was not here when we
00:25:06.520 passed 2017 tax cuts.
00:25:08.620 Wow.
00:25:09.160 That is a significant
00:25:10.480 number.
00:25:11.080 So they do not
00:25:12.280 understand what goes
00:25:13.680 into it.
00:25:14.240 They do not understand
00:25:15.560 the thousands of hours
00:25:17.640 of back and forth.
00:25:18.660 Look, they're passionate,
00:25:20.540 they believe in what
00:25:21.360 they're saying, but they
00:25:22.240 don't have the experience
00:25:23.240 of having gone through
00:25:23.940 this.
00:25:24.160 By the way, they also,
00:25:25.980 many of them don't
00:25:27.140 understand the rules of
00:25:28.460 reconciliation of what the
00:25:29.840 Senate could do.
00:25:30.400 Remember I talked about
00:25:31.240 we can do budgetary
00:25:32.440 things and not policy
00:25:33.640 things?
00:25:34.140 Yeah.
00:25:34.680 There's always a battle
00:25:35.720 between the House and
00:25:36.480 Senate because the House
00:25:37.120 gets mad at the Senate. 1.00
00:25:38.540 You damn senators, you 1.00
00:25:39.780 won't do what we want. 1.00
00:25:41.040 It's like, well, there's a
00:25:41.880 statute that governs what
00:25:42.860 we can do, and it does
00:25:43.860 limit what the Senate could
00:25:44.920 do on reconciliation.
00:25:46.460 That'll be a back and
00:25:47.440 forth.
00:25:47.700 It always is.
00:25:48.260 Every reconciliation,
00:25:49.360 there's a battle between
00:25:50.020 the House and Senate
00:25:50.720 because the House wants
00:25:52.400 to do things that the
00:25:53.820 Senate is not allowed to
00:25:54.960 do under the terms of
00:25:56.560 the statute.
00:25:57.660 What I told President
00:25:59.180 Trump is I said, listen,
00:26:00.780 if we put this all in
00:26:02.020 one bill, we have a
00:26:03.340 massive risk of failure.
00:26:04.700 If we do it in two
00:26:05.500 bills, we can start with
00:26:07.200 a huge victory, securing
00:26:08.780 the border, rebuilding the
00:26:09.940 military, unleashing
00:26:10.880 American energy, and then
00:26:12.440 we will get tax cuts
00:26:15.040 passed.
00:26:15.700 It's just going to take
00:26:16.620 longer.
00:26:19.040 And, you know, on the
00:26:20.180 argument that, well, gosh,
00:26:21.820 this is the House
00:26:22.900 leadership's argument, we
00:26:24.400 need each piece as a
00:26:25.560 sweetener to get the
00:26:26.340 votes, what I've said in
00:26:27.340 response is, okay, show me
00:26:29.720 this magical unicorn of a
00:26:31.320 House member.
00:26:32.540 Because I know most of
00:26:34.020 these guys.
00:26:34.580 Yeah.
00:26:35.040 So show me, don't talk
00:26:36.600 about, well, I got members,
00:26:37.960 I can't get their vote
00:26:38.600 without it.
00:26:38.980 All right, tell me who.
00:26:40.500 You talking about crazy 0.96
00:26:42.420 right-wing knuckle-draggers? 0.98
00:26:43.560 Okay, I'm a crazy right-wing 0.98
00:26:44.660 knuckle-draggers. 0.93
00:26:45.220 Those are my peeps.
00:26:46.780 I'll go talk to them.
00:26:47.460 I'll go talk to them.
00:26:48.500 But when I'm talking to
00:26:49.520 them, they're not saying
00:26:50.280 that.
00:26:51.200 Are you talking about really
00:26:52.580 moderate Republicans?
00:26:53.860 All right, fine, that's a
00:26:54.600 different problem to
00:26:58.060 solve, but we talk about
00:26:58.800 that.
00:27:00.000 One of the issues that
00:27:02.220 complicates this is what's
00:27:03.620 called the SALT tax.
00:27:05.480 Explain that.
00:27:06.960 Okay, so the SALT tax is
00:27:09.400 state and local tax
00:27:10.600 deduction.
00:27:10.980 So one of the things that
00:27:12.520 happened when we passed
00:27:14.980 the 2017 tax cut is we
00:27:18.580 eliminated, initially we
00:27:20.120 eliminated deducting state
00:27:22.100 and local taxes.
00:27:22.880 So it used to be before
00:27:23.800 2017, if you're in
00:27:26.300 California and you pay a
00:27:27.640 crap ton of taxes to the 0.95
00:27:29.060 state of California, you 0.98
00:27:30.740 could deduct all those
00:27:31.840 taxes on your federal
00:27:32.740 taxes.
00:27:33.180 Now, what that ended up
00:27:35.280 doing was having the
00:27:36.320 federal government subsidize
00:27:37.980 big blue states that tax
00:27:39.900 the hell out of their
00:27:40.640 constituents.
00:27:41.880 Right.
00:27:42.420 And big blue states that
00:27:43.620 have massive taxes, you
00:27:45.300 just got it deducted for
00:27:46.340 your federal taxes.
00:27:47.240 And so we were like,
00:27:47.980 Gavin Newsom, keep raising
00:27:49.380 taxes, the feds will
00:27:50.480 subsidize you on that.
00:27:51.820 So in 2017, we eliminated
00:27:54.900 that.
00:27:55.140 Now, we eliminated it, but
00:27:56.180 we actually allowed some
00:27:57.320 deduction.
00:27:57.880 We put a cap of $10,000.
00:28:00.160 So you can deduct up to
00:28:01.980 $10,000 of state and local
00:28:03.540 taxes.
00:28:04.000 So you and I are both
00:28:04.800 homeowners in Texas.
00:28:06.000 The biggest state tax we
00:28:07.320 pay is property tax.
00:28:08.340 Yeah.
00:28:08.900 So you and I deduct our
00:28:10.240 property tax on our federal
00:28:12.200 income tax, but it's capped
00:28:13.440 at $10,000.
00:28:14.340 So if you're paying more
00:28:15.360 than $10,000.
00:28:16.880 It's on you.
00:28:17.520 It's on you.
00:28:19.300 Now, what's the political
00:28:20.660 problem?
00:28:21.200 The political problem is
00:28:22.440 there are a number of House
00:28:24.140 Republicans who come from 0.90
00:28:26.280 blue states, in particular
00:28:27.400 New York and California.
00:28:29.260 And the blue state
00:28:30.600 Republicans, the New York
00:28:31.680 and California Republicans
00:28:32.820 have a problem because
00:28:34.580 eliminating the SALT
00:28:35.940 deduction really impacted
00:28:38.440 people in high tax states
00:28:39.740 because, unfortunately,
00:28:40.980 their big government
00:28:41.520 Democrats keep taxing the
00:28:42.720 hell out of them.
00:28:44.060 We talked about this in
00:28:44.960 California this past week.
00:28:47.100 Those New York and
00:28:48.500 California Republicans feel
00:28:50.220 an obligation to do
00:28:53.260 something to help the
00:28:54.960 problem of not being able
00:28:57.080 to deduct more than
00:28:58.980 10, more than 10 now.
00:29:01.640 And so the argument is,
00:29:03.200 well, if we add border
00:29:04.400 security to it, they'll
00:29:06.000 have to vote for it because
00:29:07.940 they can't vote against
00:29:08.740 border security.
00:29:09.360 So this is where the
00:29:11.120 argument makes no sense.
00:29:12.140 I'm like, all right, first
00:29:13.000 of all, we tee up the
00:29:13.920 first bill, securing the
00:29:15.460 border, rebuilding our
00:29:17.080 military, unleashing
00:29:18.040 American energy.
00:29:19.460 I don't know a Republican
00:29:20.640 who's voting against that.
00:29:21.920 The mandate out of this
00:29:23.020 election was secure the
00:29:24.040 border. 1.00
00:29:24.740 Show me the idiot 1.00
00:29:25.960 Republican who's going to 1.00
00:29:26.940 say, no, I'm for open
00:29:27.940 borders.
00:29:28.400 That is a recipe.
00:29:30.160 For disaster.
00:29:30.820 You're retiring when you're
00:29:31.940 doing that because you
00:29:32.660 ain't running again.
00:29:33.940 And if you do, you're
00:29:34.600 going to get primaried. 1.00
00:29:35.360 You'll get killed. 1.00
00:29:36.900 None of them will vote 0.99
00:29:37.640 against border security.
00:29:38.600 They're just not going to.
00:29:40.140 They know the American
00:29:40.900 people.
00:29:41.360 They know what they want.
00:29:42.240 On the SALT issue, look,
00:29:44.820 will there have to be an
00:29:46.200 accommodation for New
00:29:49.280 York and California
00:29:50.040 Republicans?
00:29:50.620 Sure there will.
00:29:52.000 There will have to be an
00:29:53.120 accommodation.
00:29:53.520 I understand that.
00:29:55.140 That's part of why this
00:29:55.980 takes a while.
00:29:56.860 You've got to negotiate.
00:29:57.860 There are geographic and
00:29:59.660 regional issues that you
00:30:00.840 have to negotiate and
00:30:01.840 there's a trade-off.
00:30:03.340 Now, will the
00:30:04.920 accommodation be
00:30:06.340 restoring in full the
00:30:08.500 state and local tax
00:30:09.340 deduction?
00:30:09.720 I don't believe it will
00:30:10.540 be because that's
00:30:11.120 terrible tax policy.
00:30:12.940 That means the red 0.59
00:30:13.980 states are all
00:30:15.300 subsidizing the blue
00:30:16.440 states and their bad
00:30:17.380 tax policy.
00:30:18.080 Here's what I think the
00:30:19.580 resolution will be.
00:30:21.360 This is actually an idea
00:30:22.160 I got from Grover
00:30:22.920 Norquist.
00:30:23.760 Grover Norquist runs
00:30:24.820 Americans for Tax
00:30:25.560 Reform.
00:30:26.100 He's a longtime friend of
00:30:28.100 mine, one of the leading
00:30:29.000 thinkers when it comes to
00:30:30.160 tax policy.
00:30:31.960 And Grover's idea, so right
00:30:35.260 now there is a marriage
00:30:36.620 penalty in how you deduct
00:30:40.660 state and local taxes.
00:30:42.680 You as an individual, if
00:30:43.840 you file your tax return,
00:30:45.060 you could deduct up to
00:30:45.860 $10,000 of state and
00:30:48.580 local taxes.
00:30:49.780 If you are married, as 0.87
00:30:51.340 you are, you and your
00:30:53.120 wife can deduct a total 1.00
00:30:54.280 of $10,000 on state and
00:30:57.180 local taxes.
00:30:58.340 What Grover suggested as a
00:31:00.140 fix is eliminate the
00:31:01.380 marriage penalty, which
00:31:02.260 means you and your wife
00:31:03.320 would be able to deduct
00:31:04.240 not $10,000, but $20,000.
00:31:06.840 So it doesn't hurt you.
00:31:09.160 You're not being
00:31:09.500 penalized for being
00:31:10.080 married. 0.91
00:31:10.300 Right. Now, that's good
00:31:12.080 tax policy as well, getting
00:31:13.480 rid of the marriage
00:31:14.160 penalty. One of the
00:31:15.100 negative things federal
00:31:16.160 law does is discourages
00:31:17.480 marriage, and marriage is 0.85
00:31:19.020 a very good thing for our
00:31:20.400 society. I think we'll end
00:31:22.940 up, if I were to predict
00:31:23.940 the bill that gets
00:31:24.640 enacted, I think we'll end
00:31:25.880 up eliminating the
00:31:26.840 marriage penalty on the 0.66
00:31:27.860 SALT deduction, which lets
00:31:29.800 the California and New
00:31:31.060 York Republicans go back
00:31:32.460 and say, hey, big win,
00:31:34.580 we doubled the
00:31:35.360 deduction. Now, what it
00:31:36.660 doesn't do is give a
00:31:38.660 multi-million dollar tax
00:31:39.880 break to Michael
00:31:40.540 Bloomberg. What it
00:31:41.280 doesn't do is give a
00:31:42.240 massive benefit to
00:31:43.600 billionaires in New York
00:31:44.680 and California who have
00:31:46.420 massive taxes, and I think
00:31:48.220 that's where we'll end up.
00:31:50.340 But again, that takes time.
00:31:52.440 And so I don't know how we
00:31:54.800 resolve this. I think we'll
00:31:56.000 end up seeing the two
00:31:57.060 proceed on parallel tracks.
00:31:58.680 I think we're going to see
00:31:59.620 the House for a while go
00:32:01.280 forward and say we're doing
00:32:02.660 one big beautiful bill.
00:32:03.880 Beautiful bill, yeah.
00:32:04.220 And I think the Senate's
00:32:05.780 going to say, yeah, that's
00:32:06.640 fine. We're moving
00:32:07.660 forward.
00:32:08.500 We're not wasting time.
00:32:09.800 We're moving forward with
00:32:11.040 our bill on the border, on
00:32:12.560 the military, and on
00:32:13.700 energy, because we can get
00:32:15.420 it done. We want a victory,
00:32:16.980 and this is how you win.
00:32:19.380 And look, I don't know how
00:32:20.840 it resolves, but I can tell
00:32:22.240 you, I think it is an
00:32:24.260 enormously consequential
00:32:25.720 question. And frankly, this
00:32:28.760 is exactly the reason I think
00:32:30.160 people listen to verdict.
00:32:31.980 For sure.
00:32:32.660 Because there is not
00:32:34.020 another show, there's not a
00:32:35.300 news show.
00:32:35.560 No one's talking about this
00:32:36.620 or covering it or
00:32:37.340 explaining it.
00:32:37.760 There's not a podcast.
00:32:38.560 People don't understand
00:32:39.360 this. And I will tell you,
00:32:41.180 this is the single biggest
00:32:42.660 topic that the Senate and
00:32:45.040 House and President Trump
00:32:46.520 are discussing right now.
00:32:47.900 And nobody is covering it
00:32:49.980 in the news.
00:32:50.920 But the reason it's the
00:32:52.060 single biggest topic is I
00:32:53.600 believe it is the
00:32:54.480 difference between
00:32:56.340 succeeding on Trump's
00:32:57.740 legislative agenda and
00:32:58.900 winning massive victories
00:33:00.060 victories or losing and
00:33:01.640 having a crushing failure.
00:33:03.520 And in my view, failure is
00:33:04.460 not an option.
00:33:05.140 We cannot fail, which
00:33:06.880 means we've got to do it
00:33:07.480 right.
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