Verdict with Ted Cruz - The Rise of Radical Islam in America-One on One w Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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00:00:05.380 Welcome.

00:00:05.980 It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

00:00:09.120 And today's episode is going to be a very special one with a very special guest.

00:00:13.000 And I hope that you will take this episode and share it on social media.

00:00:16.940 Also, if you want to watch it on YouTube, it's there.

00:00:19.600 Because, Senator, we're dealing with a very important and also a very tough subject right now

00:00:24.240 that is on the minds of a lot of Americans.

00:00:26.760 And I want you to explain why we decided to do this show and also introduce our guest.

00:00:31.720 Well, we're going to be focusing today on the rise of radical Islam in America 0.96

00:00:36.980 and also the rise of radical Islam across the globe.

00:00:40.320 And we're going to talk about Comrade Mondami,

00:00:43.720 who we devoted the entire last podcast to his rise in New York,

00:00:48.440 to the very real possibility that we will have a communist,

00:00:53.080 a Marxist jihadist as the next mayor of New York.

00:00:56.080 And how frightening that is.

00:00:57.740 We're going to talk also about the Muslim Brotherhood and what the Muslim Brotherhood is

00:01:01.380 and why I am leading the fight to have the Muslim Brotherhood declared a terrorist organization.

00:01:07.920 We're going to talk about what's happening in Nigeria,

00:01:10.560 about the systematic mass murder of Christians in Nigeria 0.84

00:01:14.380 by Boko Haram and other radical Islamic terrorists.

00:01:17.180 And we're also going to talk about Somalia and the prospect of America recognizing Somaliland

00:01:25.020 and how we can fight back against extremist forces in Africa.

00:01:29.960 And all of that, we're going to have this conversation with a special guest.

00:01:32.940 So our guest today is Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

00:01:36.480 Ayaan was born in Mogadishu, Somalia, in 1969.

00:01:41.660 She grew up and she was raised as a Muslim.

00:01:45.740 And as she got older, she began to question aspects of her faith.

00:01:51.120 One day, while listening to a sermon on the many ways women should be obedient to their husbands,

00:01:57.160 she couldn't resist asking, must our husbands obey us also?

00:02:02.120 In 1992, Ayaan fled to the Netherlands to escape a forced marriage.

00:02:07.400 There, she was granted asylum and, in time, citizenship.

00:02:12.740 She quickly learned Dutch and was able to study at the University of Leiden,

00:02:18.520 earning her M.A. in political science.

00:02:21.340 She worked as a translator for Somali immigrants.

00:02:24.520 And she saw firsthand the inconsistencies, the tensions between liberal Western society

00:02:29.880 and tribal Muslim cultures.

00:02:32.040 From 2003 to 2006, Ayaan served as an elected member of the Dutch parliament.

00:02:39.560 And actually, in 2005, Time magazine named her one of the 100 most influential people in the world.

00:02:46.980 In parliament, she focused on the integration of Muslim immigrants into Dutch society

00:02:56.100 and on fighting for the rights of women.

00:02:57.820 Now, today, she is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution,

00:03:02.240 and she is a founder of the AHA Foundation.

00:03:05.300 And Ayaan, welcome to Verdict.

00:03:08.560 Senator, thank you for having me on.

00:03:12.840 We are very glad to have you.

00:03:15.480 Let's start by just, if you could briefly, I shared a little bit of your bio,

00:03:19.660 but just tell us your story.

00:03:21.020 Tell us your story of the journey you have taken,

00:03:23.660 because it's an extraordinary story, and I think our listeners and viewers

00:03:28.000 would be very interested in hearing it.

00:03:30.500 Well, thank you.

00:03:31.180 I think you really summarized it very well.

00:03:33.320 I was born in Somalia.

00:03:34.480 I was raised a Muslim, in a Muslim family.

00:03:36.660 I was born in a political household.

00:03:39.920 My father was very much influenced by America during the Cold War,

00:03:46.680 when, you know, the world was divided into two hemispheres,

00:03:51.580 those that supported the U.S. and those that supported the ideology of USSR.

00:03:56.620 I'm proud to say that my family supported the U.S.

00:04:00.240 And I don't want to say that my father was entirely secular,

00:04:06.060 but I want to say we suffered at the hands of communism,

00:04:13.720 at the hands of Islamism, whatever you can... 0.88

00:04:16.240 I'm very intimately familiar with some of these totalitarian ideologies,

00:04:20.720 not from books, but from real experience.

00:04:23.660 And it's one of the reasons why I reject them so completely.

00:04:26.560 But I thought the introduction you gave was fair and very good.

00:04:31.160 And I find myself, in the United States,

00:04:34.880 a citizen and a very grateful citizen to be American.

00:04:40.040 So, Ayaan, tell us, what is Islamism?

00:04:44.220 And how does it differ from their well over a billion practicing Muslims worldwide?

00:04:51.080 Not every Muslim is an Islamist.

00:04:52.700 What's the difference between the two?

00:04:54.280 Political Islam, I would say, is in some ways different from general Islam.

00:05:02.700 I know some of my fellow researchers are just going to be really upset with me

00:05:07.360 when I make this distinction.

00:05:09.240 But in practice, when I look at countries like the United Arab Emirates

00:05:13.100 and the leaders of the United Arab Emirates,

00:05:15.520 what they're trying to say is, look, there is Islam as a civilization.

00:05:20.240 We're trying to cope and modernize and do it.

00:05:22.940 This is our national identity.

00:05:24.160 This is our religious identity.

00:05:26.220 But on the other hand, there's political Islam,

00:05:28.780 which is that what is promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:05:33.100 And political Islam is a modern movement

00:05:36.060 that was born out of the fall of the Islamic Empire in 1924,

00:05:40.260 when the Ottoman Caliphate fell apart.

00:05:42.880 They developed this ideology, collectivist, totalitarian,

00:05:48.340 which is in pursuit of establishing Islamic dominance 1.00

00:05:52.540 over what used to be the Islamic heartlands

00:05:56.460 and then spread out throughout the rest of the world.

00:06:00.260 So we're looking at an Islamist political ideology

00:06:03.580 versus Islam, a civilization. 1.00

00:06:11.560 Islam has a lot of problems, and I'm the first one to admit that. 0.88

00:06:16.120 I think as Americans today, our focus should be on political Islam 1.00

00:06:21.980 because it's easier to diagnose.

00:06:24.840 It's easier to define.

00:06:26.280 We know what the objectives are.

00:06:27.720 We know who leads them, and we know also that they have

00:06:35.660 and formed an alliance with radical communists.

00:06:40.180 They operate as a subversive effort, which I call da'wah, 1.00

00:06:45.960 and then there is, of course, we are familiar with the terrorist

00:06:48.720 or jihadi aspect of it.

00:06:50.720 So complicated, yes, conceptually,

00:06:53.700 but in practice, easy to define, easy to understand,

00:06:59.660 and in my view, easy to combat.

00:07:02.020 Well, and look, the way I understand it,

00:07:04.480 and you're far more of an expert in this than I,

00:07:06.740 but I draw a distinction between Islamists

00:07:09.940 who seek to enforce not only their faith but Sharia law

00:07:15.860 and to use force and power to forcibly convert others

00:07:21.360 and to forcibly subjugate others to Islam. 0.72

00:07:24.680 And for me, at least, I use Islamists and jihadists 1.00

00:07:28.780 somewhat interchangeably, which is the commitment to using force,

00:07:34.460 to using violence, to dominate and defeat the infidels. 1.00

00:07:39.680 And I would draw a distinction.

00:07:41.420 You know, there are some countries, like you take, for example,

00:07:43.760 India, which has a very large Muslim population,

00:07:46.140 but not a very high incidence of Islamism.

00:07:49.620 There's less political Islam there than there is, 1.00

00:07:53.400 you look at the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt,

00:07:56.580 and the willingness to, and in fact,

00:08:00.900 the commitment to forcibly subjugate others

00:08:03.860 is profoundly dangerous.

00:08:07.100 And I would say, Jan, in my view,

00:08:10.540 Europe is 10 to 20 years ahead of America in this,

00:08:15.360 in that Europe allowed itself to see a full-on invasion,

00:08:20.960 and it really is in many ways captive of the rising Islamist force.

00:08:26.720 America, thankfully, is not there yet, 0.70

00:08:29.100 but we can look to Europe as foreshadowing

00:08:31.300 of where things could end up.

00:08:33.200 Do you agree with that assessment?

00:08:34.900 And look, you were a member of the Dutch Parliament,

00:08:38.460 so you have a lot of experience in Europe

00:08:41.360 and seeing what happened to Europe over the last couple of decades.

00:08:46.080 Oh, I completely agree with you.

00:08:48.980 And I think the countries to listen to today

00:08:51.560 are the heartlands of Islam,

00:08:54.640 the rulers of the United Arab Emirates,

00:08:57.580 and maybe even Saudi Arabia,

00:08:59.380 because in 2010, 2011, 2012,

00:09:01.920 I think these countries were support.

00:09:05.380 Before that, they were supporting the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:09:08.220 They had welcomed them.

00:09:09.200 They had given access to their institutions of socialization.

00:09:13.620 And then they discovered that the ideology

00:09:16.100 that the Muslim Brotherhood was committed to

00:09:18.620 was one that wanted to overthrow them.

00:09:21.360 And from that moment,

00:09:22.440 they were able to do that U-turn

00:09:25.100 where they kicked out,

00:09:26.780 they banned the Muslim Brotherhood,

00:09:28.680 understanding them, number one,

00:09:29.960 is going to be a subversive effort.

00:09:32.100 And terrorism and jihadism

00:09:33.900 is sort of a tool to help the subversive effort.

00:09:38.280 So the Muslim Brotherhood is banned in the UAE.

00:09:42.560 They're banned in Egypt, in Bahrain,

00:09:45.480 in all of these countries.

00:09:47.080 And I think we should be doing the same thing.

00:09:49.620 The thing about the danger for us in Europe

00:09:52.800 and in the United States

00:09:54.880 is the Muslim Brotherhood comes in legitimately saying,

00:09:58.980 hey, all we're doing is observing religion.

00:10:02.440 We are taking advantage of our freedom of association,

00:10:05.620 freedom of speech,

00:10:06.700 freedom of freedom of freedom of.

00:10:08.860 And they're using these freedoms

00:10:10.980 to subvert our own societies.

00:10:14.720 And I think that is the trick for us.

00:10:17.520 You, as a senator in Congress,

00:10:20.040 you are going to have to grapple with the question,

00:10:22.920 how do I deal with a subversive effort like this one

00:10:26.360 that's seeking to destroy our system

00:10:28.440 while at the same time

00:10:30.700 not violating those freedoms?

00:10:33.740 That's something that some of these Arab countries 0.98

00:10:35.740 don't have to deal with.

00:10:36.880 Singapore doesn't have to deal with.

00:10:38.780 That's our problem.

00:10:40.720 I compare the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.85

00:10:42.620 If you ask me,

00:10:43.620 can you explain it to someone who doesn't know?

00:10:46.320 I'll say, hey, if you live in Texas,

00:10:48.000 have you ever been confronted

00:10:49.260 with a termite infestation?

00:10:52.740 When I was little and we lived in Mogadishu,

00:10:55.000 we had termites.

00:10:56.100 And they would eat up into some of these valuable wooden,

00:10:59.880 like my grandmother had this enormous cupboard

00:11:03.280 that she had been moving from Aden in Yemen

00:11:06.100 all the way here.

00:11:07.520 And from one day to the next,

00:11:08.680 the whole thing came.

00:11:10.040 It just, she moved it and it just fell.

00:11:13.020 Wow.

00:11:13.220 And she discovered in the back

00:11:14.560 were these teeny tiny termites

00:11:17.200 that were acting as a colony.

00:11:18.520 They were eating, eating away at it.

00:11:20.840 And that is the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.92

00:11:22.300 It's a bottom-up operation.

00:11:24.540 It's decentralized.

00:11:26.120 It's globalized.

00:11:27.700 One day they'll speak the language of peace and unity

00:11:31.260 and the next, the language of jihad and war.

00:11:34.440 And it's very, very difficult for us to look at this.

00:11:38.360 But because they've been around since 1928,

00:11:42.200 for those of us who really want to see the truth,

00:11:45.400 we can see it.

00:11:46.260 We know how they operate.

00:11:47.780 We know who they are.

00:11:49.180 We know that they go through universities,

00:11:52.340 the media, the elites, through commerce.

00:11:55.860 And so now that we have this big picture,

00:11:58.920 we just need the courage and the political will to say,

00:12:01.860 you are not going to do to the United States

00:12:04.120 what you did to Europe. 0.72

00:12:05.400 You're not going to do to Europe

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00:13:57.520 The most of the childhood seems to be really, really,

00:14:00.480 I think, smart in a way

00:14:02.420 where it's almost like they have times

00:14:04.420 where they grow while dormant, while peaceful.

00:14:07.000 And as I've studied them more than I honestly

00:14:10.860 ever thought I would

00:14:11.800 because of what we've seen over the last 15 years,

00:14:15.340 it's like they have these ups and downs

00:14:18.020 where it's like,

00:14:18.620 here's a time to build and be quiet

00:14:20.140 and look like we're peaceful

00:14:21.200 as we plan for the next big thing that we do.

00:14:24.580 Is that part of the reason why

00:14:26.100 they've been able to stay around

00:14:27.060 and continue to grow around the world for so long?

00:14:30.320 Absolutely.

00:14:30.760 Also because they operate on a different timeline.

00:14:34.700 It's very important to bear that in mind.

00:14:37.260 They know that in the United States,

00:14:39.480 we operate, oh yeah, two years to the midterm,

00:14:42.260 four years to the presidential election.

00:14:43.820 So they think, oh, these white Western Christians,

00:14:46.260 they have two-year and four-year timelines.

00:14:49.100 They have a hundred-year timeline, 200, 300.

00:14:52.340 As long as Islam becomes dominant 1.00

00:14:54.560 and they can impose Sharia,

00:14:56.880 that is their faith, number one.

00:14:59.560 Number two, they form alliances with organizations

00:15:03.460 and movements that are completely different from them.

00:15:06.740 So for instance, the communist, Marxist,

00:15:10.280 again, infestation that is there to destroy us,

00:15:14.240 they form alliances with them

00:15:16.320 because they have that common goal

00:15:18.200 of as long as we bring down the structures of America,

00:15:22.420 way down the road,

00:15:24.800 we're going to figure out who is going to dominate.

00:15:28.540 Now, let me give you one hint.

00:15:31.880 In the years prior to 1979 in Iran,

00:15:35.940 the Islamists and the Marxists were operating together.

00:15:39.760 What happened when they succeeded

00:15:42.880 in their goal of destroying the Shah and his regime?

00:15:47.260 The Islamists then destroyed the communists.

00:15:50.360 So that is a warning for the Marxists to say,

00:15:52.980 I don't know who is going to destroy the Marxists.

00:15:56.260 History repeats itself.

00:15:57.280 Yeah.

00:15:58.020 So what do you make of the Red-Green Alliance?

00:16:01.840 And that seems to be the energy and passion

00:16:06.080 behind Zorad Mondani.

00:16:09.640 What do you make of Mondani?

00:16:12.540 And as someone who has come from Somalia,

00:16:15.000 who has seen this,

00:16:16.260 how do you assess what's happening in New York?

00:16:18.580 Well, the way I see it is,

00:16:22.320 Mondani is a reflection of both movements.

00:16:25.620 So he is a watermelon,

00:16:27.640 the son of a watermelon.

00:16:29.440 And he comes in saying...

00:16:32.980 So explain watermelon to someone

00:16:34.520 who hasn't heard that before.

00:16:36.060 It's the Red-Green Alliance. 0.95

00:16:38.380 If you've ever seen a watermelon,

00:16:40.160 it's green on the outside.

00:16:41.600 We say Islamist or political Islam on the outside.

00:16:44.120 And then Red-Communist or Marxist on the inside.

00:16:49.000 So they have a common objective,

00:16:50.720 which is they hate capitalism.

00:16:52.580 They hate our system of government.

00:16:55.840 They have...

00:16:57.400 Each of them,

00:16:58.680 there's the Green Utopia,

00:16:59.960 which is the world is going to be dominated by Islam 1.00

00:17:02.860 and we'll have Sharia law

00:17:04.180 and then everything will be well.

00:17:06.100 And then, of course,

00:17:06.700 you have the Red-Marxists,

00:17:08.460 that they're going to destroy capitalism.

00:17:10.160 So, Ayaan, what does it mean to live under Sharia law?

00:17:14.440 Like, what would it mean for America

00:17:15.820 if the Islamists succeeded 1.00

00:17:18.660 as they're moving closer and closer to doing in Europe?

00:17:21.220 What would that mean as a practical matter?

00:17:23.720 It would mean a great deal of violence, chaos.

00:17:27.880 Women will be the subjects of men. 1.00

00:17:31.580 I mean, they'll have absolutely no rights.

00:17:33.320 non-Muslims will be subjected to the Jiz'ah. 0.62

00:17:40.980 How do I explain that?

00:17:42.400 It's a lower status for non-Muslims 1.00

00:17:45.200 if you're only people of the book. 0.90

00:17:47.120 Gosh, if you're Jewish, 1.00

00:17:48.300 you're going to be subjected to what Jewish people 1.00

00:17:51.020 were subjected to on October 7.

00:17:53.780 You see this...

00:17:55.120 So you're talking about violence and rape and murder?

00:17:58.160 Violence, rape, murder.

00:17:59.480 I'm talking about floggings, public floggings.

00:18:01.900 I'm talking about public stonings.

00:18:04.220 Some of the horrors that you now see in Nigeria, 1.00

00:18:06.580 you see in parts of Indonesia,

00:18:08.020 you saw in Afghanistan, you still see it.

00:18:10.420 Do you remember how the Taliban had promised 0.99

00:18:12.440 a few years ago to the Biden administration,

00:18:15.700 oh, we're going to give women their rights, 1.00

00:18:18.080 but they have denied women the rights to go to school.

00:18:20.880 They have denied women the rights to do anything. 1.00

00:18:22.840 Basically, you become sun factories.

00:18:26.060 I was told when I was forced into marriage,

00:18:28.940 the man I was about to be married of,

00:18:31.960 he said,

00:18:32.460 you're going to have six sons for me or else.

00:18:35.640 This is well known.

00:18:37.700 I mean, it is going to be...

00:18:39.760 It's going to be the worst human existence

00:18:43.200 you can ever imagine. 0.90

00:18:44.760 It's a death cult.

00:18:46.100 So, Jan, let me ask you why.

00:18:48.880 Because on the left,

00:18:50.520 many leftists also consider themselves feminists.

00:18:53.620 And by the way,

00:18:54.280 other leftists consider themselves LGBT activists.

00:18:58.520 Is Islamism consistent with any feminist notion 0.91

00:19:04.800 or any notion of LGBT rights?

00:19:08.260 Absolutely not.

00:19:09.660 Look, in the countries where Sharia law is actually applied,

00:19:15.820 homosexuals, the LGBT community,

00:19:19.140 they're taken to the tallest structures, 0.93

00:19:21.380 tallest buildings, towers, whatever,

00:19:23.140 and they're thrown off from there.

00:19:24.740 That is the law. 1.00

00:19:25.940 The law is to execute homosexuals. 1.00

00:19:29.460 Women are to be covered and not to be seen. 1.00

00:19:31.920 They're completely submissive.

00:19:34.040 So that is Sharia law 0.79

00:19:35.660 as it is applied anywhere in reality.

00:19:38.240 But there is this political expediency

00:19:41.480 where people who are on the far left,

00:19:44.420 the Antifas of this world,

00:19:46.040 the Mamdani,

00:19:46.740 or one wing of the Mamdani followers,

00:19:49.160 they think we are the ones.

00:19:52.500 Once we get, you know,

00:19:53.460 once we destroy America, 0.71

00:19:54.680 once we destroy the existing structures,

00:19:56.800 they think that they're going to dominate.

00:19:59.020 And that's just not how it works.

00:20:00.940 But hey, why spoil their party?

00:20:03.220 If Ocasio-Cortez thinks

00:20:05.080 that Sharia and Mamdani 1.00

00:20:06.420 have something in common,

00:20:07.640 why spoil the party?

00:20:10.320 I think the rest of us are going to say,

00:20:12.240 no, we don't want any of these

00:20:13.460 collectivist, subversive efforts

00:20:15.440 and ask the question,

00:20:17.320 how is it possible

00:20:18.480 that the capitalist city,

00:20:20.860 the finance city of the world,

00:20:22.640 Manhattan,

00:20:23.560 is about to elect

00:20:25.020 this people?

00:20:28.340 And what's your take on that?

00:20:29.720 Are you surprised

00:20:30.820 by the rise of Mamdani?

00:20:32.140 What is given your life experience?

00:20:35.700 Is this surprising to you

00:20:36.800 or not?

00:20:39.860 It's not surprising

00:20:41.560 because in the last 30, 40 years,

00:20:44.880 I think what we have seen

00:20:46.360 is this display

00:20:48.580 of extreme lethal carelessness

00:20:52.140 on the part of American elites

00:20:55.060 where we have come

00:20:56.700 to think of ourselves

00:20:57.700 as invincible.

00:20:58.820 We just think

00:21:00.020 if we have enough materialism

00:21:02.000 that everybody

00:21:03.100 is going to be attracted

00:21:04.320 to who we are

00:21:05.280 and what we do

00:21:06.180 and we don't have to worry

00:21:07.840 about these collectivist ideologies. 0.98

00:21:10.100 We killed Christianity. 1.00

00:21:11.680 We killed spirituality.

00:21:13.160 We turned our backs

00:21:14.900 on our foundational principles

00:21:17.220 and we're paying the price.

00:21:18.840 And we're paying the price

00:21:19.960 because our institutions

00:21:21.300 of education

00:21:22.220 from K to 12,

00:21:24.260 the universities,

00:21:25.140 we've allowed these people

00:21:26.520 to take over and to preach.

00:21:28.260 And when I look at a stadium

00:21:29.560 full of people in New York

00:21:31.400 that are cheering

00:21:32.420 on Ocasio-Cortez and Mamdani,

00:21:34.700 I think we are paying

00:21:35.760 the price of this carelessness.

00:21:37.600 For me,

00:21:38.360 being able to protect my family

00:21:39.600 is my number one priority.

00:21:41.760 And you've heard me talk

00:21:42.860 to my good friend Josh from Burna

00:21:44.400 about real stories

00:21:46.060 of people just like you and me

00:21:47.720 that have used their Burna launcher

00:21:49.400 to protect themselves

00:21:50.400 and their families.

00:21:51.900 Now, Burna is a handheld pistol

00:21:53.900 that fires both kinetic rounds

00:21:55.700 and chemical irritants

00:21:56.900 to separate you

00:21:57.820 from an attacker.

00:21:59.060 You can see the videos

00:22:00.380 of how this works

00:22:01.180 at Burna.com

00:22:02.320 and I'll tell you more

00:22:02.980 about that in a moment.

00:22:04.440 But Josh is back with me today

00:22:05.940 to tell a story

00:22:06.760 of how a Burna launcher

00:22:08.180 could help avoid a tragedy.

00:22:10.720 This was actually a story

00:22:12.200 that happened

00:22:12.680 in my hometown of Houston.

00:22:14.800 This is such a tragic story

00:22:16.460 that just recently happened.

00:22:17.820 One night,

00:22:18.380 recently here in Houston,

00:22:19.740 an 11-year-old Julian Guzman

00:22:21.440 and his cousin

00:22:22.140 were banging on neighbors' doors

00:22:23.540 and running away

00:22:24.540 before they were answered

00:22:25.460 a generations-old game

00:22:26.800 that we all know

00:22:27.280 as Ding Dong Ditch. 0.79

00:22:28.800 Well, when they came

00:22:29.460 to the residence

00:22:29.960 of Gonzalo Leon Jr.,

00:22:31.280 Gonzalo would later state

00:22:32.660 that the two banged

00:22:33.760 on his door multiple times

00:22:35.040 and believing they were there

00:22:36.440 to try to break into his home,

00:22:38.600 Gonzalo exited the house

00:22:39.600 and fired at Julian

00:22:40.660 with a handgun, 0.95

00:22:41.660 ultimately killing him. 0.79

00:22:43.220 Now, while in Texas, 0.99

00:22:44.480 like many states,

00:22:45.400 we have strong

00:22:46.160 stand-your-ground

00:22:46.820 and castle doctrine laws,

00:22:48.180 but homeowners

00:22:48.740 still may only use

00:22:49.900 deadly force

00:22:50.560 when it's immediately necessary

00:22:52.160 to prevent assault,

00:22:53.500 robbery,

00:22:53.820 or other crimes

00:22:54.400 after someone unlawfully

00:22:55.860 enters their property.

00:22:57.120 And I think everyone

00:22:57.800 can agree that no matter

00:22:58.760 where you live,

00:22:59.760 and in this case,

00:23:00.600 that did not meet

00:23:01.600 those requirements.

00:23:02.840 And unfortunately,

00:23:03.360 the homeowner in this case

00:23:04.160 has now been arrested

00:23:04.880 for murder

00:23:05.460 with a bond

00:23:06.120 that's a million dollars,

00:23:07.500 and prosecutors have stated

00:23:08.480 that they will be seeking

00:23:09.660 the death penalty.

00:23:10.660 If a homeowner thinks

00:23:11.860 someone may be breaking in,

00:23:13.580 what should their priorities be

00:23:14.900 and how should Berna

00:23:15.960 fit into that plan

00:23:17.460 is a really important question

00:23:19.220 everyone should be asking?

00:23:20.780 No matter where you live,

00:23:22.200 your plan should be

00:23:23.040 to escape,

00:23:23.720 to get to a safe location.

00:23:25.380 And many times,

00:23:25.900 that doesn't mean

00:23:26.660 engaging the intruders directly.

00:23:28.620 Berna's great

00:23:29.180 for using either

00:23:30.080 the chemical rounds

00:23:30.680 or the kinetic rounds

00:23:31.380 to buy you

00:23:32.300 and your family time

00:23:33.300 to get out

00:23:34.200 and get to safety,

00:23:35.300 which should be

00:23:35.700 your main priority.

00:23:37.220 If you want to know more

00:23:38.360 about exactly

00:23:39.560 what Berna can do

00:23:40.960 to help you

00:23:41.480 protect your family,

00:23:42.680 see the videos

00:23:43.620 and see how it works.

00:23:44.880 Go to Berna,

00:23:45.640 B-Y-R-N-A dot com. 0.99

00:23:47.740 There's a reason

00:23:48.200 why I bought it

00:23:48.760 for all of my family members

00:23:50.220 and why I have it

00:23:51.240 in every one of my cars.

00:23:52.900 Berna,

00:23:53.320 B-Y-R-N-A dot com. 0.99

00:23:55.320 Again,

00:23:55.540 that's Berna dot com. 0.90

00:23:57.860 Let me ask you this question.

00:23:59.180 You look at Europe

00:23:59.960 for a second

00:24:00.700 and as Senator said earlier,

00:24:03.840 hopefully they're

00:24:04.620 10 to 20 years ahead of us

00:24:06.300 and that we can

00:24:07.320 actually combat this

00:24:08.760 before it gets to that point.

00:24:10.780 But when you look

00:24:11.560 at Mondani and AOC

00:24:13.020 and the Lama Mars

00:24:13.960 and the others

00:24:14.480 that have really

00:24:15.680 started to grow

00:24:16.820 and they have

00:24:18.000 a genuine following

00:24:19.420 in the United States of America,

00:24:21.140 how much of the plan

00:24:22.380 of the Muslim Brotherhood

00:24:23.480 and excitement is there

00:24:24.520 to know they have

00:24:25.500 these types of advocates

00:24:26.560 that aren't just

00:24:27.200 saying things to us

00:24:28.020 but are getting elected

00:24:29.260 and are becoming

00:24:30.000 more powerful?

00:24:31.960 So,

00:24:32.600 I think

00:24:33.240 there's a scenario

00:24:34.140 where in America

00:24:35.320 I'm more hopeful

00:24:36.620 because at least

00:24:37.640 80%

00:24:38.480 of Americans

00:24:39.820 don't believe

00:24:40.980 in this BS.

00:24:41.840 we have people

00:24:43.000 who come from

00:24:43.900 Latin America,

00:24:44.620 places like Venezuela,

00:24:46.440 Cuba,

00:24:47.240 I mean,

00:24:47.860 Senator Cruz,

00:24:48.680 you know this

00:24:49.180 better than I do,

00:24:50.760 people like me.

00:24:52.220 I've lived through

00:24:53.180 that BS

00:24:53.860 so I know

00:24:55.220 I don't want

00:24:56.020 communism,

00:24:56.860 okay?

00:24:57.140 I'm not Ilhan Omar.

00:24:58.920 You've experienced

00:24:59.540 it firsthand.

00:25:00.340 Yeah.

00:25:01.020 I've experienced it.

00:25:02.120 Yeah.

00:25:02.520 So if we get

00:25:04.140 it right

00:25:04.940 in America

00:25:05.600 and I think

00:25:06.060 we can get it

00:25:07.340 right in America,

00:25:08.580 we are in a place

00:25:10.240 maybe where

00:25:11.220 we can be

00:25:11.780 of help

00:25:12.420 and rescue

00:25:13.480 our European

00:25:14.260 counterparts

00:25:14.920 and the rest

00:25:15.660 of Western

00:25:16.140 civilization.

00:25:18.160 So,

00:25:18.520 let me ask

00:25:19.640 a bit more

00:25:21.720 about your

00:25:22.140 personal journey.

00:25:23.020 So you were

00:25:23.460 raised as a Muslim

00:25:24.600 and you embraced

00:25:26.440 for a period of time

00:25:27.600 political Islam,

00:25:28.740 Islamism

00:25:29.260 and then you

00:25:30.180 came to reject it

00:25:31.860 and you spent

00:25:33.200 a lot of years

00:25:33.900 as a very

00:25:34.860 vocal atheist

00:25:35.800 and my understanding

00:25:37.560 is now

00:25:38.140 you become

00:25:38.620 a Christian

00:25:39.100 and I'd love

00:25:40.800 to hear

00:25:41.240 about why

00:25:42.420 you became

00:25:43.200 a Christian.

00:25:45.060 I think

00:25:45.700 maybe you should

00:25:46.380 see it as sort

00:25:47.040 of like a ripening,

00:25:48.720 like peeling away.

00:25:49.820 When you first

00:25:50.380 come to Western

00:25:51.100 civilization,

00:25:52.280 you see the

00:25:53.480 glitter and glamour

00:25:54.360 which is what I saw

00:25:55.420 when I landed

00:25:56.080 in Frankfurt

00:25:56.680 in 1992.

00:25:57.880 My goodness,

00:25:58.360 everything was gleaming,

00:25:59.860 these tall buildings

00:26:01.280 and wealth

00:26:02.660 and so you go

00:26:03.920 beyond that layer

00:26:04.960 and I started

00:26:05.800 to ask questions

00:26:06.740 why are these

00:26:07.440 countries rich

00:26:08.720 and united

00:26:09.560 and solid

00:26:11.480 while where I

00:26:12.520 come from

00:26:13.120 even though we

00:26:13.680 claim to have

00:26:14.620 the last profit

00:26:15.520 and we claim

00:26:16.640 to be superior

00:26:17.900 morally speaking,

00:26:19.900 why are we

00:26:20.520 living in

00:26:21.020 impoverishment?

00:26:22.480 Why are we here

00:26:23.320 begging for arms?

00:26:25.380 And when I took

00:26:26.640 political science

00:26:27.560 in the University

00:26:28.280 of Leiden,

00:26:28.960 I was lucky enough

00:26:30.020 to have professors

00:26:31.700 that taught me

00:26:32.920 to keep asking

00:26:33.760 questions,

00:26:34.940 to learn how

00:26:36.260 to think,

00:26:37.120 not what to think

00:26:38.440 and my tribute

00:26:40.220 goes to these

00:26:41.160 professors.

00:26:43.020 One of them

00:26:43.880 recently died,

00:26:44.860 Professor Anderbeck,

00:26:45.660 who was really

00:26:46.260 empirical.

00:26:47.380 He taught me

00:26:48.680 you've got to

00:26:49.280 understand what

00:26:50.040 is before you

00:26:51.980 talk about what

00:26:52.840 should be.

00:26:53.480 But in any

00:26:57.400 case,

00:26:58.600 I want to

00:26:59.400 say,

00:26:59.980 having lived

00:27:00.900 through and

00:27:02.240 touched the

00:27:03.900 bottom of the

00:27:04.900 promised utopia

00:27:05.940 of Sharia law,

00:27:07.360 the promised utopia

00:27:08.480 of communism,

00:27:09.720 and knowing there

00:27:10.380 is nothing there

00:27:11.560 but death,

00:27:14.560 like poverty,

00:27:16.560 there is nothing

00:27:17.280 there but oppression

00:27:18.420 and suppression,

00:27:19.200 there is nothing

00:27:19.980 there but misery.

00:27:21.400 I'm in a place

00:27:23.960 where now I

00:27:24.700 have come to

00:27:25.380 see that the

00:27:27.500 only way we

00:27:28.560 fight those

00:27:29.500 ideologies is

00:27:31.260 by getting to

00:27:32.020 the bottom of

00:27:33.080 what are then

00:27:34.200 the solid

00:27:35.000 foundations of

00:27:36.040 Western civilization.

00:27:37.540 That is

00:27:38.220 biblical.

00:27:39.100 It's Judeo-Christian. 0.93

00:27:41.240 It is the

00:27:43.900 Sermon on the

00:27:44.580 Mount.

00:27:44.900 I mean,

00:27:45.220 there is no

00:27:45.840 denying it.

00:27:46.620 It is the

00:27:47.140 principles on

00:27:47.920 which America

00:27:48.580 is founded

00:27:49.500 on.

00:27:50.500 And right

00:27:51.380 now America

00:27:52.200 has been

00:27:52.740 served well.

00:27:54.260 But over

00:27:54.920 time, I

00:27:55.620 think if you

00:27:56.280 have two

00:27:57.000 competing ideas,

00:27:58.860 it's the

00:27:59.740 idea of

00:28:00.320 communism,

00:28:01.160 it's the

00:28:01.520 idea of

00:28:02.020 Islamism,

00:28:02.780 and then it's

00:28:03.240 the idea of

00:28:03.860 America.

00:28:04.440 And I want

00:28:05.060 the idea of

00:28:05.760 America to

00:28:06.420 win, and I

00:28:06.880 want to

00:28:07.420 dedicate my

00:28:08.280 life to

00:28:08.740 that.

00:28:09.680 Amen.

00:28:11.240 Let me ask

00:28:12.280 you, we were

00:28:12.540 talking about

00:28:12.940 the Muslim

00:28:13.300 Brotherhood.

00:28:14.260 For our

00:28:14.920 listeners, tell

00:28:15.760 them, what is

00:28:17.560 the Muslim

00:28:18.040 Brotherhood?

00:28:18.540 As you know,

00:28:18.980 I have

00:28:19.940 legislation I've

00:28:20.800 introduced in

00:28:21.380 multiple

00:28:21.740 congresses to

00:28:23.080 designate the

00:28:23.920 Muslim Brotherhood 0.98

00:28:24.620 as a terrorist 0.98

00:28:25.160 organization.

00:28:26.220 And in the

00:28:26.760 first Trump

00:28:27.240 administration, I

00:28:28.700 came close to

00:28:29.480 succeeding.

00:28:30.060 I didn't quite

00:28:31.160 convince the

00:28:31.840 president in the

00:28:32.420 first term to

00:28:33.100 designate the

00:28:33.680 Muslim Brotherhood 0.98

00:28:34.240 as a terrorist 0.98

00:28:34.720 organization.

00:28:35.800 I believe I will

00:28:36.840 succeed in the

00:28:37.520 second term.

00:28:38.060 I think we're

00:28:38.440 going to get it

00:28:39.120 designated.

00:28:39.800 But tell us,

00:28:41.140 give us a little

00:28:42.480 bit of history and

00:28:43.360 context of what the

00:28:44.580 Brotherhood is and

00:28:45.660 your judgment on

00:28:47.680 whether it is in

00:28:48.840 fact a terrorist

00:28:49.680 organization and

00:28:50.660 should be designated

00:28:52.040 as such.

00:28:54.340 I think the

00:28:55.180 challenge for you,

00:28:56.080 Senator Cruz, is

00:28:56.960 going to be that

00:28:58.960 you are going to

00:28:59.780 have to understand

00:29:00.920 the two concepts

00:29:02.080 as you legislate.

00:29:03.580 And it's going to

00:29:04.080 be difficult, but I

00:29:05.080 think you can do

00:29:05.780 it.

00:29:06.840 One part of it is

00:29:08.280 the terrorist

00:29:08.980 aspect of it, which

00:29:09.980 is the application of

00:29:11.100 jihad or violence.

00:29:13.160 The other aspect,

00:29:14.280 the other side of

00:29:15.300 the Muslim

00:29:15.680 Brotherhood is the

00:29:16.760 subversive effort,

00:29:18.500 which we have

00:29:20.360 had.

00:29:21.320 We are an open

00:29:22.140 society.

00:29:23.480 Maybe we'll debate

00:29:25.340 what an open

00:29:26.200 society means or

00:29:27.220 doesn't mean.

00:29:29.760 But it's easy to

00:29:32.520 access open

00:29:34.480 societies if you

00:29:36.060 are a subversive,

00:29:38.460 if you apply the

00:29:40.660 subversive method.

00:29:41.960 method.

00:29:43.080 And so, for

00:29:45.700 you, on a

00:29:46.620 legislative basis,

00:29:48.240 you will have to

00:29:49.420 not only address the

00:29:50.820 terrorist aspect,

00:29:51.900 which carries the

00:29:52.640 violence, but also

00:29:53.940 the da'wah, the 0.98

00:29:55.340 subversive part of

00:29:56.300 it. 0.83

00:29:56.680 The Muslim

00:29:57.120 Brotherhood was

00:29:57.700 founded in 1928

00:29:59.280 by a teacher,

00:30:01.780 Hassan al-Banna,

00:30:02.740 in Egypt.

00:30:04.040 And what he

00:30:04.920 understood was that

00:30:06.340 he had to deal

00:30:07.760 with the

00:30:11.260 fragmentation of

00:30:12.320 Islam as he 1.00

00:30:13.420 understood it.

00:30:14.420 Islam was no 1.00

00:30:15.180 longer an empire.

00:30:16.640 Islam now was 1.00

00:30:17.480 subjugated to the

00:30:18.480 European powers that

00:30:19.940 had developed

00:30:20.780 nation-states.

00:30:22.660 In the nation-state

00:30:23.880 of Egypt, he

00:30:25.300 understood that if

00:30:26.220 he ever wanted to

00:30:27.080 get state power,

00:30:28.520 he would have to

00:30:29.220 work very slowly

00:30:30.280 and bottom-up,

00:30:33.080 start with the

00:30:34.060 individual, the

00:30:35.260 family, society.

00:30:38.300 He preached

00:30:39.960 about forming

00:30:40.640 charities.

00:30:42.640 And then, over

00:30:43.380 time, and time

00:30:45.360 for them seems

00:30:46.080 a completely

00:30:46.700 different concept

00:30:47.520 than what we

00:30:48.080 have, having

00:30:50.620 persuaded as

00:30:51.980 many people as

00:30:52.920 possible, taking

00:30:54.440 on the levers

00:30:55.320 of the state.

00:30:57.720 That is the

00:30:58.560 method that they

00:30:59.720 apply.

00:31:00.200 They've honed

00:31:00.860 it.

00:31:02.060 This is a

00:31:02.840 method that's

00:31:03.740 now become

00:31:04.420 improved over

00:31:05.680 time.

00:31:07.440 In Arab

00:31:08.360 countries, it

00:31:09.600 no longer

00:31:10.180 works, because

00:31:11.800 Arab-dominating 0.71

00:31:14.080 governments have

00:31:15.380 come to

00:31:15.760 understand this

00:31:16.820 thing has come

00:31:17.380 for them.

00:31:18.000 So now, they

00:31:18.760 work in Europe

00:31:19.820 and in America.

00:31:21.660 They set up

00:31:23.240 mosques and

00:31:24.400 then schools,

00:31:26.440 Islamic centers.

00:31:27.800 They'll apply a

00:31:28.920 whole neighborhood,

00:31:30.380 and over time,

00:31:31.360 they want to

00:31:31.920 grow.

00:31:32.180 Do you

00:31:33.480 remember the

00:31:33.920 litmus paper?

00:31:35.200 When you

00:31:35.340 drop, just the

00:31:38.420 way it spreads,

00:31:39.460 that is the

00:31:39.940 way they want

00:31:40.560 to take over

00:31:41.200 societies, and

00:31:42.180 they have

00:31:42.600 succeeded.

00:31:43.520 I mean, look

00:31:44.140 at Dearborn,

00:31:45.440 Michigan, for

00:31:46.840 us in the United

00:31:47.500 States of America.

00:31:48.520 When you go to

00:31:49.140 the UK, France,

00:31:50.980 Sweden, these are

00:31:52.160 societies that are

00:31:53.120 being taken over

00:31:54.620 as they watch it,

00:31:56.360 and they stand

00:31:57.100 there, and they

00:31:57.580 all say, there's

00:31:58.580 nothing we can do

00:31:59.460 because of the

00:32:00.120 constitution.

00:32:01.260 So the local

00:32:02.280 constitutions, national

00:32:03.920 constitutions, have

00:32:05.760 become documents that

00:32:08.700 the Muslim

00:32:09.280 Brotherhood can

00:32:10.520 waive to say, you

00:32:12.000 can't stop us

00:32:12.940 because everything we

00:32:14.060 do is legal.

00:32:15.400 Everything we do is

00:32:16.380 peaceful or non-violent.

00:32:17.700 They'll apply the 0.76

00:32:18.300 violence when they

00:32:18.940 need it, but clearly,

00:32:20.500 they don't need to

00:32:21.160 apply the violence

00:32:21.940 So explain to an 0.70

00:32:25.640 American who has

00:32:26.440 not seen it.

00:32:28.020 You just talked

00:32:29.140 about how European

00:32:30.060 countries were taken

00:32:31.140 over by the

00:32:31.840 Brotherhood and

00:32:32.440 Islamists.

00:32:33.480 Make that real.

00:32:34.600 Explain what that

00:32:35.480 means and what

00:32:36.260 exactly has happened

00:32:37.240 because I think that

00:32:38.160 is a powerful

00:32:38.900 warning to what

00:32:39.740 could happen here

00:32:40.460 as well.

00:32:41.900 When I was a

00:32:43.040 member of parliament

00:32:43.820 in 2006, and I

00:32:47.320 was brought in to

00:32:49.160 be the voice of

00:32:50.820 modernity and

00:32:52.580 Westernism.

00:32:53.280 Here's a woman from 0.97

00:32:54.220 Somalia, wherever,

00:32:55.580 and look at her.

00:32:56.680 She has assimilated,

00:32:58.280 blah, blah, blah.

00:32:59.040 So they brought me

00:32:59.620 in.

00:33:00.520 But then in 2006, we

00:33:02.160 had local elections.

00:33:03.500 The local elections,

00:33:05.260 the Netherlands is a 0.93

00:33:06.460 very small country, and

00:33:07.540 there are four large

00:33:08.300 cities, The Hague,

00:33:10.600 Amsterdam, Rotterdam,

00:33:12.220 and Utrecht.

00:33:13.600 If my party, the

00:33:15.000 VVD, which was the

00:33:16.080 center-right party,

00:33:17.640 wanted to win any of

00:33:19.060 these urban cities,

00:33:20.820 I had to be told to

00:33:22.720 go there and say

00:33:23.700 Islam is a religion

00:33:24.720 of peace.

00:33:25.320 I said, I'm not going

00:33:26.500 to say anything of

00:33:27.300 the sort.

00:33:28.080 I've got six armed

00:33:30.220 guards.

00:33:31.760 I'm not going to say

00:33:32.740 Islam is a religion

00:33:34.000 of peace.

00:33:34.760 Okay, repeat that for

00:33:36.340 a second.

00:33:36.780 You had six armed

00:33:37.680 guards.

00:33:38.180 Why is that?

00:33:39.260 Who was trying to

00:33:39.960 kill you?

00:33:41.420 Well, I was, the 0.99

00:33:43.060 people who were

00:33:43.520 trying to kill me was

00:33:44.880 the protected minority

00:33:46.420 of Muslims, many of

00:33:48.040 them who were

00:33:48.640 radicalized by the

00:33:50.240 Muslim, local Muslim

00:33:51.440 brotherhood in the

00:33:52.440 Netherlands.

00:33:53.420 And the local Muslim

00:33:54.820 brotherhood had control

00:33:58.420 of the larger Muslim 0.76

00:34:00.640 communities.

00:34:01.800 And at that point, we

00:34:03.020 knew that not all

00:34:04.700 Muslims in the

00:34:05.460 Netherlands were loyal

00:34:06.500 to them.

00:34:07.720 But it was like the

00:34:09.040 mafia. 0.54

00:34:10.100 If you're a Muslim 0.99

00:34:11.240 living in the

00:34:12.080 Netherlands, in one of

00:34:12.860 these large cities, if

00:34:14.040 they told you, vote

00:34:14.920 this way, you vote

00:34:15.880 that way.

00:34:17.200 And so the woman who 0.79

00:34:18.840 was sort of sent in

00:34:20.020 there, you know,

00:34:21.120 colored, immigrant,

00:34:22.100 whatever, she was

00:34:23.220 saying, I can't win

00:34:24.900 the votes if Ayaan is

00:34:27.760 saying, is making

00:34:28.680 these statements about

00:34:30.100 Islam and the

00:34:31.140 position of women and 1.00

00:34:32.380 homosexuals and

00:34:33.540 Christians and Jews

00:34:34.720 and all of these

00:34:35.500 things.

00:34:36.280 So in order for me to

00:34:37.860 win the vote or to

00:34:39.280 even be competitive, I

00:34:41.660 have to at least

00:34:43.280 accommodate them in some

00:34:44.740 of these policies.

00:34:45.700 Now, what are the

00:34:46.260 policies that they

00:34:46.960 were looking for?

00:34:48.040 They wanted to

00:34:48.760 enshrine Islamophobia

00:34:50.420 as law.

00:34:52.020 They wanted to, the

00:34:54.140 government of the

00:34:54.780 Netherlands to leave 0.87

00:34:55.640 them alone so that

00:34:56.920 they could treat

00:34:57.580 women the way they 1.00

00:34:58.360 wanted.

00:34:58.640 They wanted FGM. 0.97

00:34:59.800 They wanted honor

00:35:01.620 killings.

00:35:02.120 They just wanted to

00:35:02.760 And explain FGM.

00:35:05.340 Female genital 0.92

00:35:06.140 mutilation, that is 0.99

00:35:07.000 the cutting of the 1.00

00:35:08.300 genitals of women. 0.99

00:35:09.880 I mean, it is as a

00:35:10.780 five-year-old girl,

00:35:12.160 they take, I'm

00:35:13.760 talking to men here,

00:35:14.740 but look at the 1.00

00:35:16.960 female genitals, you 1.00

00:35:18.640 cut the inner 1.00

00:35:19.160 labia, the outer

00:35:19.940 labia, and you

00:35:20.560 saw so that, you

00:35:21.600 know, on the day of

00:35:22.600 your wedding, you

00:35:23.660 can be presented to

00:35:24.540 your husband as a

00:35:25.380 virgin.

00:35:26.640 And this is, this is

00:35:27.920 something that

00:35:28.500 predated Islam, but

00:35:29.680 obviously embraced by

00:35:31.680 Muslims and spread 0.99

00:35:34.040 across the globe by the

00:35:35.400 Muslim Brotherhood.

00:35:36.400 But these are some of

00:35:37.620 the policies that we

00:35:38.480 had to deal with.

00:35:39.240 They had, they wanted

00:35:39.940 Sharia tribunals for

00:35:41.360 marriage, divorce, and

00:35:42.400 that sort of thing.

00:35:43.120 They were bringing

00:35:44.160 in Sharia in a

00:35:46.860 stealthily way.

00:35:49.040 And if you wanted to

00:35:50.180 win these elections in

00:35:52.420 these large cities, that

00:35:54.100 was in the Netherlands,

00:35:55.120 but now it's in

00:35:55.880 France, it's in 0.92

00:35:57.140 Belgium, it's in the 0.96

00:35:58.400 United Kingdom, it's

00:35:59.340 all over Europe.

00:36:00.580 So we're talking about

00:36:01.520 demographics which they

00:36:03.160 control.

00:36:04.360 And so as a

00:36:05.000 politician, I think you

00:36:06.280 understand numbers when

00:36:09.420 it comes to winning

00:36:10.220 elections.

00:36:10.660 And they held those

00:36:11.720 numbers.

00:36:12.900 And this is what you

00:36:13.740 have to understand.

00:36:14.400 So you can't just

00:36:15.160 legislate on the

00:36:16.580 terror, you can't just

00:36:17.340 declare them a

00:36:18.160 terrorist organization.

00:36:19.080 You have to deal with

00:36:20.620 the subversive efforts,

00:36:22.460 the fact that they

00:36:22.980 control schools,

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00:38:48.620 Tell us what's happening in

00:38:50.240 Nigeria, and as you know, I've

00:38:52.040 been very vocal calling out the

00:38:54.400 mass murder of Christians.

00:38:55.780 Over 50,000 Christians have 0.57

00:38:57.400 been murdered in Nigeria 0.51

00:38:58.560 since 2009.

00:39:00.540 Over 20,000 churches and

00:39:02.360 schools have been destroyed,

00:39:04.100 burned to the ground, and

00:39:05.700 you have Boko Haram and other 0.99

00:39:07.340 radical Islamic terrorist

00:39:08.480 groups that are targeting and 0.97

00:39:09.920 persecuting Christians in

00:39:11.060 particular, and I will tell

00:39:12.040 you, the government of

00:39:13.200 Nigeria is very unhappy with 1.00

00:39:14.600 me.

00:39:14.800 They have decried my saying

00:39:16.480 this.

00:39:16.840 I have introduced legislation

00:39:18.020 to designate them a country

00:39:20.220 of special concern, and the

00:39:22.140 government of Nigeria is very

00:39:23.280 unhappy, and I've said, look,

00:39:25.040 there are far too many

00:39:26.360 government leaders who have

00:39:27.380 turned a blind eye to what is

00:39:28.720 happening, who have acquiesced in

00:39:30.080 what is happening, who are

00:39:31.420 enforcing either Sharia laws or

00:39:33.540 blasphemy laws, and facilitating 0.98

00:39:36.020 the persecution of Christians, and

00:39:38.300 as I said, the Nigerian

00:39:40.240 government has been vigorously

00:39:42.240 resisting me in this.

00:39:43.840 Give me your judgment.

00:39:45.080 What do you see happening in

00:39:46.540 Nigeria, and what do you think is

00:39:48.340 is actually the truth?

00:39:54.080 Nigeria is the most important 0.99

00:39:55.440 African country.

00:39:57.020 It has the largest population, and

00:39:59.580 obviously there's a vying for 0.83

00:40:01.260 control between, on the one hand,

00:40:04.440 the Islamic states of Nigeria and

00:40:07.180 the Christian states of Nigeria, and

00:40:11.120 it used to be about 50-50, but

00:40:15.020 because the Islamist movement, Boko Haram

00:40:18.760 and others, they want to apply

00:40:20.840 force, the jihadist force, this sort of

00:40:23.660 gruesome killing that we've seen on

00:40:24.980 October 7, 2023 in Israel.

00:40:28.400 So, what is going on in Nigeria?

00:40:32.940 The Islamists in Nigeria are killing 1.00

00:40:35.580 Christians. 1.00

00:40:36.740 They're burning their churches. 1.00

00:40:38.360 They're raping their women. 1.00

00:40:40.600 They are invoking blasphemy laws. 0.99

00:40:43.520 So, in the southern regions of

00:40:44.960 Nigeria, Sharia law is the law. 0.53

00:40:47.660 And if you say, Ted Cruz has, you

00:40:50.480 know, he said something bad against

00:40:52.180 Islam, you can have a mob come and

00:40:54.500 lynch you, and there's nothing you can 0.98

00:40:56.260 do about it, but then the government

00:40:57.660 should be doing something about it, and

00:40:59.220 the government isn't doing anything

00:41:00.540 about it.

00:41:01.440 Now, what is the characteristic of the

00:41:03.520 government of Nigeria? 0.91

00:41:04.820 It's corrupt. 0.87

00:41:06.520 The elites in Nigeria, whether they're 0.99

00:41:08.180 Muslim or whether they're Christian,

00:41:10.620 they're in this bubble, and I think 0.97

00:41:13.040 that bubble has to be burst.

00:41:14.700 They're in a comfort bubble.

00:41:15.720 I don't really think that they care

00:41:17.280 about that much, about or are held

00:41:19.580 responsible or accountable or

00:41:21.120 transparent for what is going on with

00:41:23.220 a large majority of the Nigerian

00:41:26.120 population, and that's what you see.

00:41:28.680 And we give a lot of money as the

00:41:30.700 United States and legitimacy to this

00:41:33.280 government.

00:41:33.900 We've got to hold them accountable.

00:41:36.220 And I couldn't be more pleased that

00:41:39.000 you are involved in this, Senator Cruz.

00:41:41.280 You're calling them out, and you're

00:41:42.540 going to say, if you want to be our

00:41:43.940 ally and our friend, we need you to

00:41:46.420 uphold your end of being a

00:41:48.520 responsible and responsive government.

00:41:51.140 There's a goal.

00:41:51.580 There are more Christians being 0.97

00:41:53.500 murdered in Nigeria than any country 0.98

00:41:56.360 on planet Earth.

00:41:57.440 Now, one thing you said that I thought

00:41:58.760 was interesting, and I think many of

00:42:00.940 our listeners will not have heard this

00:42:02.360 before, you said in your judgment

00:42:05.060 Nigeria is the most important African 1.00

00:42:08.000 country.

00:42:08.620 Tell our listeners why that is, because

00:42:11.240 many will not have a deep familiarity

00:42:13.460 with that.

00:42:14.620 It has the largest population.

00:42:16.720 It has oil resources.

00:42:18.180 The population is very young.

00:42:20.480 It's English-speaking, highly educated.

00:42:23.120 Let me just give you an example.

00:42:24.720 Kemi Badenoch, I hope the future

00:42:26.900 prime minister of the United Kingdom,

00:42:29.460 is from Nigeria and is Christian.

00:42:32.100 So if we were, you know, in our

00:42:34.700 relationship with right now Russia,

00:42:39.140 China, et cetera, I think the continent

00:42:41.780 as a whole, the continent of Africa,

00:42:44.460 which is home to over a billion people.

00:42:47.660 Yes, and growing, a young population

00:42:50.940 that is growing significantly.

00:42:52.500 It's the youngest population, and it's

00:42:54.200 the only population on planet Earth

00:42:55.880 that is growing as rapidly as it's doing.

00:42:58.920 Right.

00:43:00.160 And so Nigeria is strategically important.

00:43:03.160 Nigeria is the sort of country that

00:43:06.000 should be our ally, and there is a huge

00:43:09.520 Christian population.

00:43:11.740 That means they share norms and values with us,

00:43:15.580 and we should not be abandoning Nigeria.

00:43:18.920 And so the population is pro-American,

00:43:22.460 but then they are let down by the government,

00:43:25.160 and I think that can change

00:43:27.080 if we were even to bring a little bit of

00:43:30.580 leverage down on them.

00:43:32.520 And we have that leverage.

00:43:33.920 When you say a little bit of leverage,

00:43:35.900 what do you mean?

00:43:36.540 Like, what would the leverage look like

00:43:38.620 that you think could literally save lives,

00:43:42.560 especially Christian lives in Nigeria

00:43:44.300 who are being attacked right now?

00:43:46.820 Well, it starts from the amounts

00:43:49.880 of development aid money that we give them.

00:43:53.500 We could apply sanctions.

00:43:55.280 Well, and my legislation would sanctions

00:44:03.220 particular government officials.

00:44:05.680 So government officials at the local level

00:44:07.980 who are engaged in facilitating

00:44:11.200 and acquiescing in this persecution.

00:44:13.080 And so it's designed to use the power

00:44:17.800 of the U.S. economy and U.S. sanctions

00:44:19.820 to incentivize different behavior.

00:44:23.040 Absolutely.

00:44:23.460 And incentivize the sort of...

00:44:26.140 Legitimacy is really important

00:44:27.820 for them to keep their money in America,

00:44:30.320 to, you know, all of these...

00:44:32.400 The private jets, they come

00:44:33.980 and they play in America

00:44:36.060 and American allies,

00:44:38.400 even when they play in Europe.

00:44:39.840 I think we have a say over that.

00:44:41.860 Sure.

00:44:42.080 But I don't want to go into the details of that,

00:44:44.520 but I think we can leverage our influence

00:44:47.300 to make the Nigerian government

00:44:49.480 stop the violence immediately.

00:44:51.540 They have Sharia law in the southern regions.

00:44:54.940 We can say...

00:44:55.400 And then we say,

00:44:55.920 oh, human rights, this, that, and the other.

00:44:58.240 Where you have Sharia law, 0.99

00:45:00.860 you do not have human rights. 0.99

00:45:02.960 Are you crazy? 0.99

00:45:04.040 Absolutely. 0.96

00:45:05.160 Absolutely.

00:45:05.800 And we need to stand up

00:45:06.820 and we need to fight vigorously

00:45:08.480 to prevent it here in the United States.

00:45:10.440 Okay, final topic,

00:45:11.380 and we're going to wrap up

00:45:12.100 in just a couple of minutes.

00:45:12.960 But you were born in Somalia.

00:45:16.000 Yes.

00:45:16.400 As you know,

00:45:16.960 I've publicly called

00:45:18.020 on the Trump administration

00:45:19.000 to recognize Somaliland

00:45:21.360 Yes.

00:45:22.120 as a separate and independent nation.

00:45:24.860 Tell our viewers

00:45:25.980 what you think about that,

00:45:27.300 and if you think that makes sense,

00:45:28.800 tell them why.

00:45:30.160 I think we should reward Somaliland

00:45:32.860 for what they have achieved.

00:45:35.460 They have been,

00:45:36.680 since 1960,

00:45:38.380 I mean,

00:45:38.600 the former dictatorial government,

00:45:40.940 Siad Barre,

00:45:41.800 they were massacred.

00:45:43.520 They were livid

00:45:44.380 into becoming part of Somalia.

00:45:46.460 They became part of Somalia

00:45:47.720 and they live,

00:45:48.800 they have come to live to regret it.

00:45:50.260 But at the moment,

00:45:50.920 very quickly,

00:45:51.800 they are the only viable nation state.

00:45:55.420 They have a homogenous population.

00:45:58.020 They speak one language

00:45:59.360 and there is a narrative

00:46:00.420 of national identity

00:46:01.560 of common suffering,

00:46:03.020 but also common survival.

00:46:04.840 You know,

00:46:05.220 as a Somali,

00:46:06.080 I will tell you something.

00:46:06.980 I'm an American,

00:46:09.360 but born in Somalia,

00:46:11.260 I will say that

00:46:12.320 one of the things

00:46:13.360 that we Somalis

00:46:14.180 excel at is in vengeance.

00:46:16.660 But the leadership

00:46:17.740 of Somaliland

00:46:18.640 have decided

00:46:19.500 after 1991

00:46:20.500 that they were not going

00:46:21.860 to channel the energy

00:46:22.840 of their population

00:46:23.620 into vengeance,

00:46:24.840 but into building

00:46:26.540 what is a nation.

00:46:28.920 And they are

00:46:29.700 economically violent.

00:46:31.240 I think that may have

00:46:32.520 oil and gas.

00:46:35.000 I think that they could be

00:46:36.660 a strategic partner.

00:46:38.700 I admire them.

00:46:39.460 And they want to stand

00:46:40.740 with America.

00:46:41.560 They are standing up

00:46:42.380 courageously

00:46:44.000 with the United States.

00:46:44.840 It is in our national interest

00:46:47.920 to recognize Somaliland,

00:46:49.620 to have a major ally

00:46:52.920 on the Horn of Africa

00:46:54.100 that is standing with us.

00:46:56.200 That's significant.

00:46:57.760 And look,

00:46:58.240 I am someone

00:46:59.040 who is very much

00:46:59.760 America first.

00:47:00.440 We should be putting

00:47:01.420 American national security

00:47:03.300 interests first

00:47:03.960 and recognizing Somaliland

00:47:05.420 enhances those interests.

00:47:07.860 Absolutely.

00:47:08.660 They are absolutely

00:47:09.820 on the same page

00:47:10.620 as us.

00:47:11.400 And also,

00:47:11.960 they have recognized Israel.

00:47:14.100 They have

00:47:14.780 defined,

00:47:16.360 they have

00:47:16.860 a defined territory.

00:47:19.180 They have

00:47:19.860 a permanent population.

00:47:21.820 They issue passports.

00:47:23.240 But the most important thing

00:47:24.640 is that they hold elections,

00:47:29.000 one man,

00:47:29.860 one vote,

00:47:30.580 for president,

00:47:31.480 for parliament,

00:47:32.140 and local elections.

00:47:34.000 And you can come

00:47:35.320 and survey those

00:47:36.460 and see that they are

00:47:37.640 actually in some ways

00:47:38.700 better than

00:47:39.320 our American elections.

00:47:41.660 And so,

00:47:42.080 I think Somaliland 0.59

00:47:43.000 should be rewarded

00:47:44.060 for the fact

00:47:45.100 that they have built

00:47:46.180 a nation.

00:47:47.080 They do not rely

00:47:48.280 on development aid.

00:47:49.520 They never relied

00:47:50.360 on U.S. aid.

00:47:52.060 Here, here.

00:47:52.360 So, please

00:47:54.620 liberate them

00:47:55.660 from what is Somalia,

00:47:57.140 Mogadishu,

00:47:57.780 which is just

00:47:58.260 a broken jihadi place. 0.80

00:48:00.920 Well, Ayan, 0.98

00:48:01.400 thank you for taking the time.

00:48:02.740 Thank you for joining us.

00:48:03.760 I think this has been

00:48:04.620 a very

00:48:05.260 informative

00:48:07.040 podcast.

00:48:08.520 I think our listeners

00:48:09.080 are really going to get

00:48:09.720 a lot out of it.

00:48:10.540 Let me encourage

00:48:11.100 our listeners,

00:48:12.060 share this podcast.

00:48:13.040 If you want your friends,

00:48:14.220 your family,

00:48:14.740 to understand,

00:48:15.520 understand

00:48:15.900 the threat

00:48:17.060 of political Islam,

00:48:18.120 what it means,

00:48:18.800 what it's meant in Europe,

00:48:19.900 what it means

00:48:20.760 here in America,

00:48:21.540 I think

00:48:22.700 it is

00:48:23.720 an incredibly

00:48:25.140 important topic.

00:48:26.540 It is a very

00:48:27.020 real threat.

00:48:27.840 It is a threat

00:48:28.440 that I am committed

00:48:29.480 to combating.

00:48:30.900 And one of the purposes

00:48:32.280 of this podcast

00:48:33.640 is to equip you,

00:48:35.260 to give you information

00:48:36.520 that when you're talking

00:48:37.900 with your friends

00:48:38.540 and families

00:48:39.060 and colleagues

00:48:39.540 and co-workers

00:48:40.140 that you know

00:48:40.920 the truth.

00:48:41.880 And Ayan,

00:48:42.220 I think this has been

00:48:42.980 very, very helpful

00:48:43.940 to our listeners.

00:48:44.700 So, thank you so much

00:48:45.540 for joining us.

00:48:46.800 Thank you.

00:48:47.240 Thank you, Ted.

00:48:49.060 Don't forget,

00:48:49.740 we do this show

00:48:50.220 Monday, Wednesday,

00:48:50.820 and Friday.

00:48:51.540 So hit that subscribe

00:48:52.260 or that auto-download button

00:48:53.700 wherever you are.

00:48:54.740 And like the Senator said,

00:48:55.680 please share this

00:48:56.480 on social media.

00:48:57.180 It's on YouTube as well.

00:48:58.220 You can watch it

00:48:58.940 and share it there as well.

00:49:00.400 And the Senator,

00:49:00.780 I will see you back here

00:49:01.880 on Friday morning.

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Verdict with Ted Cruz - October 29, 2025

The Rise of Radical Islam in America-One on One w Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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